Canzano Politicizes Roy For His Own Agenda
by wilbjammin on Nov 24, 2009 8:05 PM PST
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PrintThis is just about the angriest I've ever been at Canzano. His latest column is basically calling Brandon Roy a traitor for his private moment in the tunnel during the national anthem. This attitude is ridiculous, you would suppose that Canzano is the same kind of person that feels that you can't be spiritual unless you go to church, because it just doesn't "feel right" to do things your own way. If Brandon Roy says that he loves America, doesn't complain about America, why does Canzano make a point to go out of his way into shaming Brandon into participating in the national anthem?
This the kind of activist journalism that really bothers me. We have professional athletes that are misogynist, homophobic, and involved in all kinds of really detrimental activities... and Canzano goes after a trivial act that has no bearing on anyone else. I guess there isn't enough flag-waving going on in sports now.
Patriotism is not measured by how well you recite the Pledge of Allegiance, how teary-eyed you get when Whitney Houston sings the national anthem, or anything like that. What makes a patriot is something that cares about his country, does what he can to contribute positively, and fights injustice when he can. These other symbolic acts Canzano is confusing the United States being like some sort of team that we're all playing on. Being American does not require uniformity, in fact, American individualism is a blessing of our Constitutional society. Canzano should be embracing the ability of Roy and others to express their selves as they wish because we can do that in America, and the argument that "if all the other players went in the tunnel" is ridiculous, because they won't go into the tunnel. It is a strawman argument meant to create controversy where there isn't controversy.
Find a real issue to write about, and move on from your trivialities, Canzano.
*UPDATE*
Canzano previously wrote about Roy's actions during the anthem and had no problems with it. Hat tip to BEdger jrj.
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I dunno, I kind of get his point
The National Anthem is a tradition, and Basketball is really the one true major sport rooted in America. Why shouldn’t he be out there with the team. Also, Canzano’s point that if it was Rudy or Nic, or the entire team, it would be questioned and made a much bigger deal out of.
Anyway, it’s a free country, but I don’t see what makes Roy so special that he shouldn’t share in that moment with the rest of the team/teams/fans….
myspace.com/marktwainindians
by mark twain on Nov 24, 2009 8:12 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Uh, because t's a free country.
FWIW I find the national anthem thing at sporting events to be slightly offensive actually. I’d be happy to see them do away with it.
by raoulduke on Nov 24, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 22 recs
Offensive huh?
I guess you’re right, it’s pretty hip to hate America these days, I get it. Seriously, I’m not trying to be a jerk or disrespectful, I just am in the minority of my generation and am proud of my country, and find the National Anthem a humbling and meaningful moment; even/especially at a sporting event.
myspace.com/marktwainindians
by mark twain on Nov 24, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
I don't hate america, just war and militarism. It'd bne nice to leave it at the door once in a while.
by raoulduke on Nov 24, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
whatever, not going to go any further with the conversation
this isn’t the appropriate venue for a political discussion. Not that I could sway your opinion, nor could you sway mine.
myspace.com/marktwainindians
by mark twain on Nov 24, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Well, and greed and ignorance and poverty and the kind of righeous conservatism
that thinks it’s swocialism to use taxes to buy a poor kid antibiotics and patriotism to use taxes to bomb children to death in other countries.
I think loving one’s country requires a lot more effort than I care to give at a freaking basketball game.
by raoulduke on Nov 24, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
You should probably move somewhere else
You know, somewhere that does more good for the world than America through private charities and government help. I mean, there are plenty of other countries that are so much more giving right?
myspace.com/marktwainindians
by mark twain on Nov 24, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
I thought of it all on my own, duh. Seriously though, I’m just tired of hearing about how horrible this country is, that’s all.
myspace.com/marktwainindians
by mark twain on Nov 24, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Please quote the person who said the country is horrible. Thanks.
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
by TheTinfoil on Nov 24, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's wonderful and horrible both. But it's our country and turniong a blind eye to it's
faults is a diservice to it and us.
by raoulduke on Nov 24, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Also
Turning a blind eye to all the good that is and has been done is also a diservice, and unfair. The people and government of America do more to make the world a better place than most. Not that one good deed wipes away a mistake, but it sure as hell should count for something.
myspace.com/marktwainindians
by mark twain on Nov 24, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree with this.
The government is largely underappreciated.
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
I'm still here, paying taxes, raising my kids. I gop fly fishing on the weekends.
Trying to pigeonhole criticism as hatred is wrong of you. Implying that people who are aware of problems are blind to virtues is ignorant.
by raoulduke on Nov 24, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I suppose you're right.
I don’t think it’s hateful to criticize things that need changing, and you’re entitled to your opinion. I just disagree with your opinion on the song, that’s all. I was simply saying that I see Canzano’s point in his article.
myspace.com/marktwainindians
by mark twain on Nov 24, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We've got French,. Spanish, Chinese, Argentinians....
Let’s let them all hear theirs once in a while. Would it kill us to play La Marseillaise at the RG once in a while?
or better - try that in Texas? Oh man....
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
Or La Marcha Real for Rudy.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Nov 24, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Or this one by George Brassens (transtaled from French by David-Barfield )
In the village, without pretention,
I have a bad reputation
Whether I make an effort or whether I keep quiet
I am regarded as a I don’t know what.
Yet I don’t do harm to anyone
Going on my own sweet way.
But the good folk don’t like that
You follow another way than them
No the good folk don’t like that
You follow another way than them
Every-one speaks ill of me
Except for the dumb, that goes without saying
On the day of the 14th of July
I keep to my cosy bed
The marching music
That doesn’t concern me
Yet I don’t do harm to anyone
By not listening to the bugle that sounds
But the good folk don’t like that
You follow another way than them
No the good folk don’t like that
You follow another way than them
Everyone points at me
Except for those without arms, that goes without saying
When I run into an unlucky thief
Chased by cultural chap
I stick out my foot and why keep it quiet,
The cultural chap finds himself on the ground
Yet I don’t do harm to anyone
By letting apple thieves have a run.
But the good folk don’t like that
You follow another way than them
Everybody pounces on me
Except for those without legs, that goes without saying
No need to be a Jeremiah
To guess the fate that awaits me
If they find a rope to their liking,
They will put it around my neck
Yet I don’t do harm to anyone
By following the paths that don’t lead to Rome
But the good folk don’t like that
You follow another way than them
No the good folk don’t like that
You follow another way than them
Everybody will come to see me hanged
Except for the blind, of course.
by amlmart1 on Nov 25, 2009 12:52 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
"the good folk don't like that"
i like that.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
so in order to acknowledge the great things america and americans do
we MUST sing and be present during a national anthem??
No.
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Nov 25, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I've tried to move elsewhere...
I’ve looked into moving permanently from USA and it is surprisingly difficult to do. Guess all that goodwill the US is spreading has no effect on immigration laws.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Nov 24, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
I think "moving permanently from the USA" takes a bit more work than looking into it.
I’ve lived abroad (Japan, non-military), my wife was born abroad and lived abroad until she was 13 years old (all over Europe, again, non-military.) It isn’t so much the USA failing to spread goodwill as it is OTHER countries being more xenophobic than ours.
I love that argument.
You should appreciate your freedom of speech and all of our other liberties. But don’t use them to criticize your government when you’re not happy about something. This rule applies unless you’re a conservative upset about Barack Obama being president. Then it’s patriotic to talk secession.
Part of the problem with this kind of patriotism is that people can’t fathom that another country could actually do things as well or better then Amurrica. Our country actually gives proportionally less money in aid, both foreign and domestic, than most other industrialized nations. Too much money is spent on defense and servicing the debt.
Yes, we’re lucky to live in this country, but the poo stinks just as bad here than anywhere else. Trying to shut people up for pointing that out is something dictatorships do.
Keep your expectations low and you won't be disappointed.
What does war and militarism have to do with the national anthem?
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
It commemorates a battle. It's about war. Have you ever listened to the words? Seriously.
I’m amazed that I have to explain this.
Oh, say can you see by the dawn’s early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
‘Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war’s desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav’n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: “In God is our trust.”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Seriously?
Its about a war that happened over 200 years ago.
What does it have to do with militarism NOW?
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
Every time you sing a hymn to war you promulgate the idea that it's somehow
noble and that force as an instument of national policy is legitmate.
by raoulduke on Nov 24, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Thats ridiculous.
The principles behind this song had nothing to do with the war. The war was the only instrument available to accomplish a goal which was noble, unless you think living under a monarchy as a serf is a great idea.
Simply because a song mentions the fact that a war was going on doesn’t mean the war mentioned was the point of the song, it just happened to be the circumstances and the battle was the back drop. The insipriation was what they were fighting for.
Your opinion may be that war is absolutely evil at all times no matter the cause, but that doesn’t make your opinion relevant to what the song is/was about.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
by Seijeff on Nov 24, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
War is sometimes necessary, I prefer not to glorify it. We should enter into it
with loathing and reluctance. You may celebrate it if you wish, it’s a free country. Others may choose not to. It is also their free country.
by raoulduke on Nov 24, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you totally in this.
Personally, I would have loved to have seen the US not involved in any wars in this last century or this one. All of them were manipulated and none of them were necessary for us to be involved in.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
Ain't that the truth with pretty much all wars?
Roybot.
Dirty Socks.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 25, 2009 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
There's a lot I love about this country, my only beef
is that we tend to mainly gear our public displays of patriotism to military symbols and the glorification of war. I’m willing to grant the point that the desire expressed in the song is for an end to the war, but it still glorifies it, and the conquest required to end it. Maybe those were good things, I’m willing to grant that they were.
But I like to get a helping of patriotism served up with peace once in a while, with appreciation for the land and the people, and even then not have it shoveled at me day in and day out.
by raoulduke on Nov 25, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't see it as glorifying the war at all.
The main references to the war in respect to the nation’s endurance through it, not the wonders or benefits of the war itself.
Singing about the nation’s perserverance isn’t glorifying what they persevered through.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
by Seijeff on Nov 25, 2009 12:32 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
flag love
O! say can you see by the dawn’s early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets’ red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O! say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
And war love.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
Should we not honor those that fought for their beliefs and through their efforst forged the world we live in
like it or not.
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your history is off
“The principles behind this song had nothing to do with the war. The war was the only instrument available to accomplish a goal which was noble, unless you think living under a monarchy as a serf is a great idea.”
the star spangled banner i’m pretty sure was a poem written by someone witnessing a battle during the War of 1812. While that has been called the “2nd War of independence” , the United States had not been rolled by a monarchy for over 30 years.
rolled by a monarchy
seriously that’s embarassing. i need to go to bed. please read that as “ruled by a monarchy”.
Yes, we got rolled by the British in that war.
It was like 4-1. Worse than last year against the Rockets (red glare).
It was under threat of being ruled by a monarchy again.
That was the point of the war.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
well, maybe not the ruled by a monarchy again
but in that it wasn’t caused by a land grab but American dislike of British policy.
Joel Freeland=Stud
Seijeff, the song isn't about the Revolutionary War
It is about the war of 1812. The war when the US attacked Canada when the British were busy fighting Napoleon. The Brits still made time to come kick our a**e* in their spare time, burn down our capitol, etc.
So, my country (tis of thee) has an anthem about a battle fought in a war we lost to the British when we tried to attack Canada.
Canada 1 – America 0 [Scoreboard, baby!]
Seriously, is listening to this odd song your litmus test for patriotism? (Now, I could see it if you are a Rockets fan … )
I think it’s a lot more patriotic to protest the war in Iraq than it is to praise the US for losing a needless war trying to grab more of North America while the British weren’t looking. I hope you can agree that this particular effort on the part of this young country, on a lot of different levels, was nothing we should model today.
And kudos to Brandon Roy for knowing his history and bringing this point home to us.
by LaoTzu on Nov 24, 2009 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I know what war it was written about.
What does that have to do with it? The wars were only 30 years removed from each other and the enemy was the same. The cause was the same also.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
How were we serfs?
The first war was for our Freedom.
The second war was a land grab.
The causes were completely different, sir.
If you think that America has the right to take over any country we want, then … No. I won’t even go there.
Got some mainstream history sources that agree?
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
meh, don't feed him
Not that wiki is the end all, but it agrees with you. So, have a drink on me and have a nice night!
Joel Freeland=Stud
You sir, are incorrect . . .
as most historians would say, a win by the US. See the Battle of New Orleans- Victory commanded by Andrew Jackson just after the
Treaty of Ghent. One of the main reasons for the war of 1812 was impressment of American merchant seamen by the British Navy. As Great
Britan and most of the European powers were
at war with Napolean, the British ruled the waters and needed more sailors. In addition, there were disputes over the 3-mile violations
and the paper blockade.
The War of 1812 didn’t start well (burning
of DC and lack of sea power), but as the British
didn’t have a lot of extra land forces, the American
army/militias won most of the skirmishes.
Signed, History Major.
It's GO time !
"After the Treat of Ghent"
The Battle of New Orleans was fought AFTER WE ALREADY LOST!
In no way were we serfs or freed from serfdom by this war.
It's irrelavant . . .
due to the fact that the English stopped aggression and ended impressment, settled the issues of
territorial waters.
How do you define LOST ?
It's GO time !
The Battle of New Orleans by Johnny Horton
In 1814 we took a little trip
Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
And we caught the bloody British in a town in New Orleans
We fired our guns and the British kept a-comin’
There wasn’t nigh as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they begin to runnin’
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico
(One-two-three, with a-one-two-three)
We looked down a river
And we see’d the British come
And there must have been a hundred of’em
Beatin’ on the drums
They stepped so high
And they made their bugles ring
We stood by our cotton bales
And didn’t say a thing
We fired our guns and the British kept a-comin’
There wasn’t nigh as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they begin to runnin’
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico
Old Hickory said we could take ‘em by surprise
If we didn’t fire our muskets
‘Till we looked ’em in the eye
We held our fire
’Till we see’d their faces well
Then we opened up our squirrel guns
And really gave ’em . . . well, we
Fired our guns and the British kept a-comin’
There wasn’t nigh as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they begin to runnin’
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico
Yeah, they ran through the briars
And they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes
Where a rabbit couldn’t go
They ran so fast
That the hounds couldn’t catch ’em
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico
We fired our cannon ’til the barrel melted down
So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round
We filled his head with cannon balls, and powdered his behind
And when we touched the powder off the gator lost his mind
We fired our guns and the British kept a-comin’
There wasn’t nigh as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they begin to runnin’
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico
Yeah, they ran through the briars
And they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes
Where a rabbit couldn’t go
They ran so fast
That the hounds couldn’t catch ’em
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.
Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers
to make the world england...dugh..england won.
we just haven’t admited it yet.
calm down gents… Portland…Blazers!!
BRANDON ROY!!! HELLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Nov 25, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Head Czar of Amerika!
Duh, Mortimer said, so it is so.
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on Nov 25, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You could join Britain in returning it's land and hand back some large chunks of land to Mexico.
Like California for example, that would be swell :)
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
BTW, I have a friend who had an aunt who was
the last surviving widow of a veteran of the War of 1812.
My friend is in her 60’s, the aunt was the eldest sibling in her family, my friend’s mom was the youngest, the aunt had married the vet when he was very old and she was very young.
And frankly...
I don’t see it as about a war, but rather about the hope for the end of it.
Ever read the words?
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
it is about a war that founded the country
bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
by thomasikehara on Nov 25, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
oh yeah
im an idiot
bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
"Good defense always beats bad offense."-Al Iannazzone, Yes Network
by thomasikehara on Nov 26, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
It's always played in respect to the military, "fallen heroes" etc etc.
Even as an outsider I see the American national anthem as being incredibly militaristic.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
So I suppose Mr. Twain sits in his living room all day listening to the national anthem on a loop. Cuz hearing before every single damn sporting event all year long just isn’t enough. We need to hear it way more often.
We should probably go ahead and install MP3 players in the troops’ helmets so they can always be listening to the anthem, you know, to remind them to be humbled.
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
It's the overt militarism of the anthem that bothers me. I'd love to stand while they
sang America The Beautiful, or This Land Is Your Land (all the verses)
by raoulduke on Nov 24, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Militarism is a broad and vast concept
that you’ve incredibly simplified to fit into your concept. This song is about a battle, that does not make it about militarism, which may or may not be on display during a battle. More likely than not, militarism is not on display during a battle. Furthermore, the side espoused as better in this song fights against the only entity that could possibly be considered militaristic.
Seriously, I understand you don’t like war. Many militarists wouldn’t either. But, it’s certainly worth noting that most instances of battle are not indicative or even results of militarism (modern battles trending heavily in favor of militarist conflict).
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Yes
That’s what I do. All day long. National Anthem, it’s my favorite song. I can’t get enough. Have every version on repeat on my iPod.
myspace.com/marktwainindians
by mark twain on Nov 24, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Roy obviously does not agree
i mean i like the fact that i like the people on this team, but they don’t need to believe what i believe for me to be happy. isn’t it enough that he is a good family man and a great ball player? I remember a time not too long ago we only had ballers and not good people, they stood on the floor for the anthem every game…do you prefer those guys over Roy?
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
by PDXBuckeye on Nov 24, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I think you need to change your "name"
I really can’t see Mark Twain being so blindly jingoistic. Have you read “Pudd’nhead Wilson”?
Half the country is made of patriots, half traitors
neither side knows which is which — Mark Twain.
I question your moniker.
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Ok, I'm not actually sure that's twain, but whatever.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
I just got back from visiting the Lincoln, Jefferson, Memorials yesterday...
And one of the exhibits said that “Mark Twain” was chosen as his moniker, and is an old riverboating term meaning “two fathoms” deep…
A favorite Mark Twain reference and
perhaps fitting here:
“Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.”
I don't hate america
And I dont think I’ve ever done anything because it’s “hip.”
But I would never say the national anthem, or pay any respect to it, because it is a ritual of allegiance, and, as a Christian, I don’t personally feel I should be required to renounce my faith by participating in a ritual of faith in the government. Especially a government that stands directly opposed to the Kingdom I believe in (as all governments are, nothing special about america).
I don’t have a problem with someone else who does respect it—that’s fine, and your choice. But it is my (and anyone else’s) VALID choice not to.
Nobody is obligated to listen to that song. Not even an athlete.
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
Basketball was invented by a Canadian, eh
Suppose he was in the US at the time, but it has an international past and international future. I love it for the sport and the spectacle, not because I’m proud of it being American.
All that glitters isn't chrome
LOL
Basketball is really the one true major sport rooted in America
Baseball would be that “one true sport” you are referring to.
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
Lacross is from Canada correct?
Native American Tribes?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Nov 25, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
I think Canada is where it passed into European culture, but it was widely played
all up and down the eastern seaboard by NA tribes. I think. I’m not an expert.
i know
lemme pull a canzano:
“Lacrosse originated in the Native American nations of the United States and Canada, mainly among the Huron and Iroquois Tribes.”
I wiki’d that, so that means I invented it.
Hurons are from Ontario, Iroquois are from Upstate NY
by GreatOden'sRaven on Nov 25, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Baseball can trace it’s roots from the Gaelic game called Rounders
"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning." - E. E. Cummings
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 25, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
American Football?
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
started as a war game of sorts
O is for Offense
D is for Defense
E is for Energy
N is for Not in my house chump
by The Arkitect on Nov 25, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
And rugby was first and its clear evolutionary antecedent
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 25, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Yup
Rugby League at times looks a lot like option football
"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning." - E. E. Cummings
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 25, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Why is standing out in the open more patriotic than a moment to yourself? Does praying with a microphone mean more?
Americans are all about faux-symbolic gestures. When the real moments are ignored.
football and baseball disagree
and Basketball is really the one true major sport rooted in America
bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
by thomasikehara on Nov 25, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
I often go to the john during the anthem...
it’s my “private moment.” Is Canzano going to call me out?
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 24, 2009 8:15 PM PST reply actions
Just as long as he removes his hat
I’m sure Cazano will be fine with his actions.
As long as what you're doing is in rhythm.
I don’t think anyone can fault you.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
I completely agree
Pointless article with condescending and annoyingly judgmental tone. Who the hell cares what Roy does during the national anthem. He’s not trying to make a scene or make a public statement. Just let him be. This would be a dumb criticism if Roy was a politician. But he’s a basketball player. So it’s dumb on stilts.
www.blazerguy.com
It's yellow journalism.
And actually reminds me quite a bit of the fake outrage stirred up the during the presidential campaign over the picture that showed Obama not putting his hand over his heart during the anthem — i.e., he doesn’t observe the moment exactly the “right” way, so let’s pillory him.
At the very least, Canzano should’ve had the guts to go to Brandon and ask him about it: Why he does it, what message does he think it sends to the team and the fans, and whether his responsibilities as the franchise player extend to taking part in this ritual. Instead he wrote an opportunistic, attention-hounding hit piece. And it worked, I guess, because we’re talking about it.
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 24, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Grasping at straws.
Roy’s actions are not a sign of disrespect, but Canzano makes them out to be, to the point of comparing him to other players who WERE trying to make a statement with their actions even when Brandon has said this is not what he’s doing. This is a non-story. Could somebody please start firejohncanzano.com please.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
wellllll...
on one hand i hear ya, on the other i don’t really care….
on one hand I stand and put my hand over my heart and hum along, and…on the other… well… I had to tend to my daughter, or I wasn’t where I was supose to be at the time and I figured maybe I should just hang tight and chill and not get to where I was supose to be during the “ceremony” so… yeah.
If for whatever reason he wasn’t where he was supose to be, right now I will be content thinking that roy is just late to getting to a good place to show respect for our flag, and until brandon flat out says that he’s more comfortable with the flag not in the building when he’s playing then I guess I’ll just asume that he is late?
sounds good.
peachy?
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
I kinda' think standing with your team during the anthem is just something you should do.
BUT….that doesn’t mean JC should be writing about it.
If Pritchard or McMillan come out publically and say it’s a big deal, then write about it Canzano. Otherwise trust that smarter people closer to the team have determined it’s not something to panic about.
I think the Quakers have it right on this one.
The meaning of one’s deeply held views should not be tied to any object, person, or song.
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
by TheTinfoil on Nov 24, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I like their oatmeal
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
by cloudydays on Nov 24, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is my final straw with Canzano
Unreal. Look John, I know that despite the fact you’re the “sportswriter of the year” the overpriced O continues to tank. And I have been critical of Brandon for other reasons (e.g. the Miller/Blake situation). But this is just dreck, pure and simple. Brandon Roy is not disrespecting the anthem by taking a moment to pray (I love the irony that Roy gets called out for disrespecting the USA by exercising his right to freely practice his religion – you can pick one bedrock principle of this nation to enjoy, and that’s all, right John?). I’m not buying the O until John is gone, I’m just plain tired of this schlock that passes for journalism. Guess the best I can do is vote with my wallet. What a clown…
November 23, 2009: In a shocker, KP once again proves smarter than this DeJuan Blair fanboy because the Inferno is a ballplayer who fits with our post focused centers perfectly.
by blazeraddict on Nov 24, 2009 8:47 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't exactly equate one's behavior during the national anthem
with our real bedrock principles, like the Bill of Rights, but I see your point and agree with you.
Brandon doesn't have to explain this behavior to adult Blazer fans
but he may want to tell his son why he leaves the court during the Anthem, in a year or two
If all the kids who idolize Roy are getting the “right” message from him, then the grownups should leave him alone (re: his pregame ritual)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
ohhhhh you could write a column!!!
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Torn?
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
by TheTinfoil on Nov 24, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
aaaaghh! '90s attack!
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 24, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
She is Australian, so she probably doesn't stand or care for the US national anthem
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
well hello there
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
your too young to know who that is
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 24, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
so true.
Daniel Johns did well for himself, for sure. I think they divorced, though. For shame.
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
who is that?
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
So many guys listened to that girls music in high school.
It wasn’t bad, but they were listening because she is so beautiful.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>
There's some hot action from down under.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Making a Point
by John Canzano
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Yeah, Brandon should be ashamed of himself for not joining
in and humming to the tune of an old British drinking song. Canzano should be proud of himself for being able to scrape the bottom of that old rum barrel for the muck that collects down there.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Nov 24, 2009 9:00 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
haha
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
If Canzano was being a good american
his hand would be over his heart and he would be looking upon the American flag while the anthem is playing, how does he notice that Roy isn’t on the court during the anthem. Canzano is setting a horrible example and is vaguely unamerican for not honoring the flag proeprly during the anthem, by allowing his mind and eyes to be drawn to other things when he should payng his proper respect to flag and country
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
by PDXBuckeye on Nov 24, 2009 9:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Quick reported it on his pregame segment a couple games ago. Quick seemed to think it was cool.
This Canzano screwing Quick as much as anything.
Hee Hee
Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn’t. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and excusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let me label you as they may.
-Mark Twain
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
by TheTinfoil on Nov 24, 2009 9:07 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Good research from a 12 year old boy.
Good find, and slightly ironic.
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
oh wait
that’s ellen page
my bad
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
I can't wait for Canzano to leave Portland
Unfortunately, for such a “great” writer who feels constrained by, in his own words this “small town” (after all, how can Portland compare to the effete culture of Fresneck, CA) the job offers don’t seem to be rolling in.
November 23, 2009: In a shocker, KP once again proves smarter than this DeJuan Blair fanboy because the Inferno is a ballplayer who fits with our post focused centers perfectly.
This is a really excellent fan post. I'd Rec it a dozen times if I could.
by sagcat on Nov 24, 2009 9:17 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
that was seriously one of the better debates that didnt cross the line
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 24, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
wanna fight? um....terry schiavo! So there!
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
immigration!
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
ARGH
stem cells!
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Universal Healthcare!
wait — Opposite of Universal Healthcare!!
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Death Penalty for the mentally ill!
(waiting for someone to start the outrage)
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
Assisted Suicide!!
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
YEAH!!!!
oh wait..
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
i wonder what the opposite of the public option is....
I guess the government banning health insurance altogether. Everyone must be pay cash!
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
I suppose the closest to the opposite
would be kinda what we have now?
I pick the way that makes doctors the most $$, cause then I’d switch my major back to medicine
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Loud noises!
but seriously… it is hard to pray when someone is singing an awful rendition of the anthem.
Chris Dudley for three!
yet another reason to bring Mo Cheeks back!
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
by TheTinfoil on Nov 24, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Here's what really sets me off
For two seasons now, Roy leaves the court before “The Star Spangled Banner” is performed. He waits out of sight, in the arena tunnel, and has a quiet moment of prayer while his teammates stand and honor America together.
Something about that feels troubling.
November 23, 2009: In a shocker, KP once again proves smarter than this DeJuan Blair fanboy because the Inferno is a ballplayer who fits with our post focused centers perfectly.
by blazeraddict on Nov 24, 2009 9:18 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
in what way?
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
"Something about that feels troubling"
He’s expecting us to all have his values and want to punish Brandon for it.
Chris Dudley for three!
I'm not the right person to point this out, but..
is there something troubling about putting God over country? At least God is perfect in theory.
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
To elaborate
Pardon my language, but who in the hell is John Canzano to speak on this. I’m a fairly religious person, and I know a lot of folks here and elsewhere who are not. That’s an individual choice/right. My relationship with God/spirituality is very important to me. For John Canzano to speak on the “audacity” of Brandon Roy in what is an intensely private moment where he could be speaking with God (whichever form of God he believes in) or reflecting on those close to him who may be gone is just so gallingly egotistic I’m literally blown away. I wouldn’t blame B Roy for getting very much in his face for that. Rant over…
November 23, 2009: In a shocker, KP once again proves smarter than this DeJuan Blair fanboy because the Inferno is a ballplayer who fits with our post focused centers perfectly.
by blazeraddict on Nov 24, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree with you, but for opposite reasons. People are born into countries. So they have a national song, big deal. People are also born into religions, for the most part. So Roy chooses to focus on one over the other. So what?
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
by TheTinfoil on Nov 24, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
playing devil's advocate
I think Canzano’s point is that it is kind of an odd time to take a moment for prayer and to gather himself. Why can’t he do that right before the anthem, and participate in both. Not that I agree with him, I think Broy can do what he wants…
RUDY > MJ
certainly not me
Just trying to play devils advocate and make sense from Canzano’s end. The fact that I failed is unsurprising…
RUDY > MJ
I see
and I agree
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
how do we know roy isnt praying america
and his fellow americans on teh basketball court
bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
by thomasikehara on Nov 25, 2009 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
America:
Where you are free to do and say and think whatever you want—so long as it doesn’t conflict with what the established culture thinks is right, because then THE WITCH MUST BURN.
Portland Trail Blazers, Future World Champions 2010-2021.
by Majikj0n on Nov 24, 2009 9:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
actually, burning witches is bad for the environment.
Established culture has switched to lethal injection.
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
by TheTinfoil on Nov 24, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
no.
That poison they use on the convicted witches leaches into the ground water and causes birth defects. Witches must be vaporized by John Canzano’s Patriotism Blaster. It evaporates people who do not sufficiently love the United States in contrived, shallow ways, as approved by the Oregonian.
Toss her in the pond because Witches are made out of wood!
What else floats? A Duck!
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
wait!!!
can we have a trial first…. a little one? :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Hey no fair
We don’t want witches here, take them to eugene!
"We Believe" - Rudy Fernandez
by TheGreatMon on Nov 26, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
Oh boy
Canzano has sunk to a new low. And we wonder why this isnt a free agent destination for NBA players?
“Come to Portland, where snotty beat writers and lazy op-ed sports columninsts tear apart guys that helped rebuild the franchise!!”
I cant wait for Pt. 2, where Canzano and Dwight Jaynes catch Brandon throwing recycleables in the TRASH……. ON CAMERA!!!
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
by Derftron on Nov 24, 2009 9:31 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
canzano stock and trade, stirring the pot
i do love Quick though, most enjoyable sportswriting beat writer i have ever read, he privides great insight into how the team develops over a season
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Marshall Rosenberg says that you have been deprived of your freedom when
you are either forced into compliance or forced into rebellion. I think what bothers me about the anthem and most public displays of patriotism is that I feel forced into one or the other.
It takes courage to go the third way, as Roy has been doing, and he will be vilified for it, make no mistake.
by raoulduke on Nov 24, 2009 9:31 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if John Canzano has ever actually listened to the Star Spangled Banner?
You know, that part at the end of the first verse about the “land of the free”?
Portland Trail Blazers, Future World Champions 2010-2021.
by Majikj0n on Nov 24, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's exactly this kind of debate that makes me wonder if the public patriots really understand what
the country they love could or should actually stand for.
by raoulduke on Nov 24, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Just like every other subject, I suppose.
Everyone has his own idea and opinion; Interprets “Patriotism” in his or her own individual way.
Which is exactly why it is so important that we have a society in which people are free to express themselves as they see fit.
Which includes Brandon Roy, you and I, and even knuckleheads like John Canzano.
Portland Trail Blazers, Future World Champions 2010-2021.
by Majikj0n on Nov 24, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Cool! That means that when I duck out to get a beer or hit the men's room,
I’m being courageous!
The Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf thing I remember well, and even if one didn’t agree with how he chose to observe the anthem, it took insane cojones to do what he did.
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 24, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
A refresher from Wiki:
Abdul-Rauf is perhaps best known for the controversy created when he refused to stand for “The Star-Spangled Banner” before games2, stating that the flag was a “symbol of oppression” and that the United States had a long “history of tyranny”. He said that standing to the national anthem would therefore conflict with his Islamic beliefs. On March 12, 1996, the NBA suspended Abdul-Rauf for his refusal to stand, but the suspension lasted only one game. Two days later, the league was able to work out a compromise with him, whereby he would stand during the playing of the national anthem but could close his eyes and look downward. He usually silently recited a Muslim prayer during this time.
In an apparent publicity stunt gone wrong linked to this controversy, four employees of Denver’s KBPI were charged with misdemeanor offenses related to entering a Colorado mosque and playing “The Star-Spangled Banner” on a bugle and trumpet, in a provocative response to Abdul-Rauf’s refusal to stand for the national anthem.
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 24, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
And "Islam" dosen't have a history of "Tyranny" ?
It's GO time !
by walkoff41 on Nov 26, 2009 1:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The "Star Spangled Banner"
conflicts with Christian beliefs
Tony Luftman Is an Animatronic Robot created by Cyberdyne Industries for the purpose of the destruction of the entire human race, no one shall be spared.
Is it really that big of a deal tho?
To stand and listen to a 2 minute long song? If you don’t want to do it because you don’t support the government or whatever, what about doing it to honor the people that died to protect the freedoms that so many people readily exercise?
Again, I think people can approach the national anthem however they want, that is America. It is just a little disappointing to hear how little some people seem to respect it. All that said, Canzano went about this in the absolute wrong way, he came across as the ultimate muck raker…..
RUDY > MJ
The national anthem is just a song, like all objects it is what you make it.
I could make the simple spork into a symbol of my personal appreciation of those who are paid and chose to fight for me.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
The national anthem is just a song
And we robbed the tune from “you people” during the Revolutionary War.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
Actually it was the war of 1812
but you are correct that the melody was taken from a British drinking song
"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning." - E. E. Cummings
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 25, 2009 7:14 AM PST up reply actions
Oops. History fail.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
It's okay Ann
It’s not like you pulled a Sarah Palin and thought the Pledge of Allegiance was started by the founding fathers.
"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning." - E. E. Cummings
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 25, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
some would argue that true respect for a Democracy
.
is shown by challenging and questioning its actions.
…honor the people that died to protect the freedoms that so many people readily exercise?
Is that what we’re doing in Iraq? Afghanistan?
You really think so?
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
this can only end badly so stop.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
You don't have to support the war in Iraq to support the troops that are over there...
I promise that their efforts are worthy of your admiration, despite what you may think about the reasons we ended up there in the first place…
RUDY > MJ
you raise a really good and important question
You don’t have to support the war in Iraq to support the troops that are over there…
Is this so? If i support the troops over there, will I not be in support of the war?
This enigma is why it is so important that war be fought only when it is morally just. And the lesson of history and of the last century is that ONLY IN SELF DEFENSE IS WAR JUST.
This is why the whole world scratched its head when we invaded Iraq: we just threw out all the lessons of history.
If only it were as simple as you seem to suggest…
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
by Blazin' on Nov 25, 2009 12:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Should we have waited for them to drop a Nuc on us then?
Nevermind, I don’t even want to go there, I have no interest in arguing whether the Iraq invasion was just or not. In all reality, you are probably right that it was a head scratching move, especially when no WMD’s turned up. There are soldiers in Iraq that don’t believe in the war, but they accept that their job is not to make decisions for the president, it is to carry out orders. They are taught to trust their efforts will never be in vain, but even if they are, is that their fault? You act like they had a vote asking all of the military whether they should go to war or something. They don’t get to choose what battles they fight. Their job is to be ready to serve their country and government, and if that requires them going to Iraq, right or wrong, they do it. Our nations military, the one responsible for protecting us and our rights as citizens, is built on this. I have a hard time blaming tens of thousands of troops for one moronic president’s decisions, and I find their willingness to risk their lives for a cause worthy of our admiration. We can agree to disagree though, it wouldn’t be the first time and definitely wont be the last…
RUDY > MJ
I am just posing the question.
How are we disagreeing?
I am not blaming the troops for our decision to invade Iraq. I don’t condemn them. With a few exceptions, I don’t know them.
It’s maybe a little rude to keep quoting you all the time:
…I find their willingness to risk their lives for a cause worthy of our admiration.
It is admirable. Totally. That’s human nature. But history has taught us that the cause matters. At least when it comes to war.
So I ask you. If I risk my life in a pointless effort, is that admirable?
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
Given the tactical positions we were both in, and given the U.S' justifications for strike first action.
It would have been totally legitimate for Iraq to drop a nuclear bomb on the U.S, but as we all know Iraq were in no such position to do so due to their complete lack of nuclear weapons.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
by The Pirate on Nov 25, 2009 8:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Its a red herring debate
supporters of the war have made it extremely difficult to express support for the troops and not for the war.
I despise the war, and its motives. However I wish the same for the troops as I do for all Americans overseas, to be safe.
But of course if I buy a yellow ribbon that says support our troops, it does not in fact signify I support the troops, it signifies that I support the war
by GreatOden'sRaven on Nov 25, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Yup, the whole support the troops things is a very carefully crafted campaign
to marginalize anti war sentiments.
I always ask myself how many of the drivers of the SUVs with the
yellow ribbons supported the Bush tax cuts which deprived troops and their vehicles of armour.
it does tend to sound like the party line
when i hear it. But it is pervasive.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
The best way to respect the democratic principles of our founding fathers means not having the compulsory recital of an anthem. Our democratic republic was created to secure and perpetuate liberty for the individual. A just government does not need a national anthem anymore than it would need an official religion.
It’s the Constitution and Bill of Rights that protect us, not blind devotion to a flag or a song.
"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning." - E. E. Cummings
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 25, 2009 7:29 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
seriously...
canzano and jaynes have been the captains of the negativity team lately. pretty boring if you ask me. canzano has absolutely no right to be bringing this up about roy. i know the best way to deal with these shock journalists is to ignore them, but i still had to say my piece on this. and i usually don’t comment here on the site.
by Fantastic Red Turtle on Nov 24, 2009 9:38 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps Roy needs that time to himself so he can focus on the game
Very few people actually think about their country at the game. It is after all an american basketball team playing against another american basketball team. We expect Roy to play his best and beat another american team. It is hardly the time for him to be patriotic – and then go kick his fellow americans butts in the game.
But when we play Toronto, BRoy better get his butt out on the floor and stand for the anthem.
’Cos we got some Canadian butt to kick!
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 24, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Canzano
He didn’t even mention “O Canada”… this is a multinational league.
Chris Dudley for three!
Don't hold your breath....
Canzano apparently has trouble with all things Canadian—-in the same column you take issue with, he called out Carlos Delgado of the Toronto Blue Jays, and Delgado hasn’t played for Toronto since 2004 and has played for two other teams located south of the border since then. Go figure…
by globetrotter18 on Nov 26, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
I would expect him to stand there when he plays for Team USA in an international game
That’s also when I would play the anthem. As it’s done in most countries. And not before every little to major league game.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Abby Hoffman said he watched TV for 4 hrs. a day in order to
know his enemy. I can’t stomach 4 hrs. a day but I think I’ll add Canzano to my list of right wing radio personalities, who shall remain unnamed, that I monitor a few times a week
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
Canzao doesn't have enough principles to be a right wing radio nut.
At least those guys believe in something. Give Canzano a week, he’ll take the other position.
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
I wouldn't call what the right wing radio nuts spew principled.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
It would be fair to say that even Hitler had "principles."
His principles included the belief that his race was superior, but he definitely believed in something. I don’t think Canzano believes in anything.
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
Okay. You can probably split a hair more times than I can so I'll give you this one. :)
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
Having been commenting with you here at the Bedge for quite awhile,
I’m sure that is exactly what your wife says daily. Hahahahahahahah!
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
she doesn't refer to it as "a hair" but yes, that's pretty much how it happens.
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
I don't even know if Canzano's necessarily right-wing.
He just strikes me as opportunistic and willing to work any angle to stir up controversy.
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 24, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I rest my case.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
fake controversy
When you have to invent a controversy, it isn’t controversy.
Chris Dudley for three!
It will be. Anything less than abject displays of patriotism are unacceptable in America.
And make no mistake, people will be doubly critical, even if they don’t say so, because he’s african american. When this becomes a public debate, watch for the subtext.
by raoulduke on Nov 24, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The story should be Canzano
not Brandon Roy, in this case. I wonder if this really will get anywhere behind his bald radio show.
Chris Dudley for three!
letters@news.oregonian.com
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 24, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
I'm torn. I want to write and rant, but that would be seen as evidence
that he’s drumming up readers with this kind of stuff.
My thoughts as well
My suggestion, if you are going to write, is preface it with “I’m not spending another cent or clicking on your webpage” again, if you really want Canzano to feel some heat. But with the sad state of the O, I’m guessing they’ll take anger over apathy
November 23, 2009: In a shocker, KP once again proves smarter than this DeJuan Blair fanboy because the Inferno is a ballplayer who fits with our post focused centers perfectly.
by blazeraddict on Nov 24, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
the point to make is that he damages The O's credibility with the public
and that these kinds of hit pieces, while attracting a lot of eyeballs in the short term, are not necessarily beneficial in the long run.
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 24, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
this is the problem most media is facing
when someone is drowning they flail about pointlessly, exactly the wrong thing to do, but it is instinct…newspapers are drowning, writers are flailing about for readers, they stir things up, but usually nothing of any relevance surfaces and then the paper sinks further…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
stir the pot, stir the pot
the miller/blake/roy story is losing steam, gotta chisel away, keep throwing stuff at the wall till it sticks
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
It's unamerican
to question someone’s patriotism with no solid evidence that they’re anti-American. In fact, it’s unamerican to question someone’s Patriotism even if they ARE anti-American.
It’s McCarthyism, but even dumber.
Canzano is UNAMERICAN for bringing this up in the hopes of knocking Brandon down a peg. Canzano is UNAMERICAN for using this type of wedge, shallow Patriotism in place of real Patriotism. And finally, Canzano is UNAMERICAN for not respecting Brandon’s freedom of political expression, even if Brandon’s not making a statement.
by sagcat on Nov 24, 2009 9:56 PM PST reply actions 13 recs
The thing that baffles me is this:
If Canzano simply wanted to knock Brandon down a peg, why didn’t he go after him for the comments he made about the end of the 3-guard experiment after Saturday’s game? Those comments, which are about BASKETBALL, could reasonably be interpreted as somewhat petulant, as well as undermining Nate and Andre. Instead Canzano goes all Glenn Beck.
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 24, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
I'm convinced this is partly about Quick for some reason. Quick reported this but didn't have a
problem with it. He even went back to where Brandon stands in the tunnel and the camera showed the view out to the floor from there. Quick was respectful about it.
Layoffs at the Oregonian? Will there be one less chair when the music stops? Are we jockeying for position?
I would not be surprised to see Quick jump ship.
He’s a well-respected beat writer, works hard, and (I think) is well aware of the conflict of interest inherent in being The O’s Blazers beat writer while at the same time having an exclusive agreement to be the go-to Blazers guy for Paul Allen’s radio station. But he’s positioning himself, I believe, for a bigger stage, like ESPN.com or something like that.
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 24, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
Me too
I would pay good money for a “Jason Quick is having a torrid affair with Anna Song” NY Post style headline. That’s how much I dislike Canzano
http://www.realgm.com/boards//viewtopic.php?f=28&t=941356&sid=801c57f262f11839d44e4322fe5b15a3
November 23, 2009: In a shocker, KP once again proves smarter than this DeJuan Blair fanboy because the Inferno is a ballplayer who fits with our post focused centers perfectly.
by blazeraddict on Nov 24, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Paul Allen no longer owns 95.5.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
Paul Allen does not own 95.5 anymore
Tony Luftman Is an Animatronic Robot created by Cyberdyne Industries for the purpose of the destruction of the entire human race, no one shall be spared.
I would rec this multiple times if I could
It’s McCarthyism, but even dumber.
by Montavilla Steve on Nov 24, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
AN OPEN LETTER TO JOHN CANZANO
Mr. Canzano:
One would think that an immunity would be developed to your self-important, aggrandizing hysterics posing as sports journalism. Sadly, this does not seem to be the case. Indeed, your latest piece calling out Brandon Roy’s perceived lack of patriotism for his pregame ritual marks a new low for you — and it bothers me.
Escalating fluff into “news” is what it seems to be all about for you. Brandon does not conform as you wish him to. Some scoop!
Your continued employment is testimony that the old television news maxim “If it bleeds, it leads” is alive and well in the world of print journalism, even if print journalism is not. Congratulations on that, I’m sure your mother is proud.
I have no doubt that you’ll be the Ted Baxterian last man standing as the Oregonian slides down the tube — and you’re really all that’s important, eh?
Sincerely,
Tim Davenport
Corvallis, OR
Nov. 24, 2009
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Nov 24, 2009 10:22 PM PST reply actions 14 recs
Love the MTM shout out.
Only difference between them was that Ted was a loveable, pompous ass.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 24, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Ted was lovable.......... Point taken.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
HERE'S CANZANO'S RESPONSE TO MY EMAIL
The anthem matters to me.
It doesn’t to you.
So what?
JC
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
UGH
He is such a clown.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 25, 2009 4:59 AM PST up reply actions
Tim, thanks for the letter ..
But you know .. you gave away your identity.
At least now we know you’re not KP! :)
Brandon has yet to accept the team USA invite hu?
This may explain something?
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Don't think so
He’s expressed a lot of interest, but has been afraid of injuries considering his track record over the previous seasons and his body’s need for some recovery that you don’t get in the summer if you’re on the national team. He didn’t agree to anything this summer because he didn’t have an agreement on his contract, and there’s nothing to accept now that the regular season has started.
Chris Dudley for three!
oh quit making excuses for him....
let me speculate about how evil he is for a few moments here…. :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
I knew it
he’s going to pull a Becky Hammon and play for the Ruskies. I’m surprised to Commie disn’t suit up next to Yao in Beijing. Brandon Roy – killing Apollo Creed and being selfish since 2009. I am disgusted, let’s trade him for Steven Jackson – he’s a Captain, so he must love the USA
November 23, 2009: In a shocker, KP once again proves smarter than this DeJuan Blair fanboy because the Inferno is a ballplayer who fits with our post focused centers perfectly.
by blazeraddict on Nov 24, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
I approve of this.
Roybot.
Dirty Socks.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 24, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
(Roy playing for the Commies)
Roybot.
Dirty Socks.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 24, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
ha ha ha ha ....
Brandon Roy – killing Apollo Creed and being selfish since 2009.
that’s good. ;p
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Nov 24, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Not to go totally OT
but Stallone was freaking awesome in that movie. That guy owned the 80s in all of his roided out glory (sorry, there is no way he was that jacked naturally), and Roky IV is my ultimate guilty pleasure movie – contrived to no end, but it still gives me goosebumps at multiple points: The “There’s No Easy Way Out” montage, the training montage, and the “He’s not a machine! He’s a man, you’ve hurt him!” from the corner.
November 23, 2009: In a shocker, KP once again proves smarter than this DeJuan Blair fanboy because the Inferno is a ballplayer who fits with our post focused centers perfectly.
by blazeraddict on Nov 24, 2009 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
the climbing of the mountain...
it was one of the better of the Rocky’s.
Rocky II ftw!
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
I so agree...
I usually have more refined taste in film and am at a loss to adequately explain to my baffled wife why this movie, which has so many characteristics of “bad” movies, is somehow totally great. It just IS. The training sequence….ohhhhh!!!!
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 24, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
No kidding
Direct quote from my girlfriend on multiple occasions: “You’re watching that again? What is wrong with you.”
November 23, 2009: In a shocker, KP once again proves smarter than this DeJuan Blair fanboy because the Inferno is a ballplayer who fits with our post focused centers perfectly.
by blazeraddict on Nov 24, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
Most annoying part?
This isn’t even news.
It’s been (I thought) common knowledge since at least last season that Brandon stands in the tunnel during the anthem.
Why this is shocking now that Canzano finally noticed is odd.
Last year Roy was a God, this year, there is a chink in his armour because of the Miller situation.
He’s not untouchable. So crap stirring is a viable option, and crap stirring with Roy’s name in the headline has a chance for more than local attention.
Oh, Canzano noticed this back in January. Except then it wasn't.... "troubling."
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2009/01/a_private_guy_who_should_be_in.html
Somehow it was fine then, but now it’s a problem.
Today’s article embarrasses me as a Portlander and a Blazer fan.
by jrj on Nov 24, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions 26 recs
Thanks, I was just about to link it myself.
Reasonable people can disagree about whether Roy should be out on the court for the anthem. But as far as this article is concerned, the link in my mind is the smoking gun exposing Canzano’s utter shamelessness and self-aggrandizing nature. And today’s column didn’t even mention this. The man’s ethics are seriously compromised.
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 24, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
hahaha what a dumbass ... why the sudden change in opinion? he's obviously just trolling for hits
So yeah. Roy retreats to the tunnel before games. He bows his head. He listens to the anthem. And Roy said: “I say a little prayer and have a little time to myself.” And maybe that doesn’t strike you as a team leader thinking team, and being part of a team, but his teammates don’t mind.
He’s always there for his team when the lights go up, isn’t he?
Roybot.
Dirty Socks.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 24, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
Oh My God
I vaguely remembered Canzano mentioning this before… but I didn’t realize it was connected to him endorsing Roy to be an All-Star.
Chris Dudley for three!
Make this green
for the sheer hypocrisy of the bottom feeder that is John Canzano
November 23, 2009: In a shocker, KP once again proves smarter than this DeJuan Blair fanboy because the Inferno is a ballplayer who fits with our post focused centers perfectly.
by blazeraddict on Nov 24, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
The Internet/Google Caching
Holding journalists accountable since Al Gore invented it
November 23, 2009: In a shocker, KP once again proves smarter than this DeJuan Blair fanboy because the Inferno is a ballplayer who fits with our post focused centers perfectly.
by blazeraddict on Nov 24, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
The next thing to do:
Because they may not care if Canzano p.o.‘s Blazer fans, but they do very much care if he’s recycling old columns and lifting information straight from Wikipedia.
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 24, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
The Wiki thing:
He lifted, almost word for word, the historical information about the song from its Wiki page. This is a huge no-no.
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 24, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This should be it's own fanshot
Or if we can get Dave or Ben in on the spirit, a post on the main page. And people were afraid this site was starting to slip, ha!
To John Canzano: The thousand commenters of BE descend upon you. Their homerism will blot out you’re hate!
Canzano: Then I’ll hate in the shade.
November 23, 2009: In a shocker, KP once again proves smarter than this DeJuan Blair fanboy because the Inferno is a ballplayer who fits with our post focused centers perfectly.
by blazeraddict on Nov 24, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn't Leonidas die (get fired) after that?
Roybot.
Dirty Socks.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 24, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
ha ha ha
To John Canzano: The thousand commenters of BE descend upon you. Their homerism will blot out you’re hate!
Canzano: Then I’ll hate in the shade.
by blazeraddict on Nov 24, 2009 11:51 PM PST
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
ha ha ha at the comment
Or the fact that I AM A MORON AND CAN"T USE “YOUR” AND "YOU"RE" CORRECTLY? FAIL, FAIL, FAIL
November 23, 2009: In a shocker, KP once again proves smarter than this DeJuan Blair fanboy because the Inferno is a ballplayer who fits with our post focused centers perfectly.
by blazeraddict on Nov 24, 2009 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
haha hahah ha
at that.. but no…I was “ha ha ha”ing the comment, I giggled at my desk for a good 30 seconds.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
You sure like to giggle.
Roybot.
Dirty Socks.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 25, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
it's a hobby.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Sounds like a fun hobby.
Roybot.
Dirty Socks.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 25, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
seriously...
all I need to do is figure out how to get paid to do it, and I’m set! :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Read this article. It will illuminate you on the sleazy game that the self-promoter Canzano plays...
First, though, you must know about Roy and the tunnel.
Because there are few private moments in Roy’s life anymore. He is a father of two young children. He is the best player on one of the league’s best young teams. And while he says he plays because he loves basketball, there are people pulling at him constantly — for autographs, for quotes, for appearances — which is why he secretly enjoyed when Greg Oden arrived a year ago, pulling some of the media temporarily to the other side of the locker room. * * *
So yeah. Roy retreats to the tunnel before games. He bows his head. He listens to the anthem. And Roy said: “I say a little prayer and have a little time to myself.” And maybe that doesn’t strike you as a team leader thinking team, and being part of a team, but his teammates don’t mind.
He’s always there for his team when the lights go up, isn’t he?
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
jeez, I didn't even realize that Canzano was the original source of the info
is the man a complete idiot?
Does he think WE are complete idiots?
I remember that.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
Wow Canzano!
really stirring the pot with this one, a pretty destructive impulse IMO.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
The funny thing is, after all the tumult on the court...
… this is going to unite Blazer fans in support of Brandon again.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>
The support never really left
I think it was more of a collective “huh” at some of his comments. But that’s not important – I have pitchforks and torches and am going to Canzano’s house. Trick or treat Johnny!
November 23, 2009: In a shocker, KP once again proves smarter than this DeJuan Blair fanboy because the Inferno is a ballplayer who fits with our post focused centers perfectly.
by blazeraddict on Nov 24, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
That column was disgusting
To imply Roy is somehow unpatriotic, selfish, American-hating… “he SAYS he loves America”. Dear lord.
I have never liked Canzano, but this is flat out disgusting. He KNOWS the buttons this pushes with some people… you do anything “wrong” associated with the anthem or flag and it gets some people’s panties in a knot. OH THAT BRANDON ROY, I LIKED HIM BEFORE BUT WHAT DOES HE HAVE AGAINST AMERICA.
Earnestly, sincerely, honestly, Canzano deserves to be suspended from the Blazers for some time. He had a deadline, had to fill space, was a few weeks late on the “Roy is selfish” meme and made an issue out of NOTHING. Roy is meditating and praying during that time, that’s more meaningful than standing and waiting.
This has really upset me. This will make a certain type of person irrationally mad at Roy, and Canzano knows it. When I get angry I wanna do some clobberin’!!
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Nov 24, 2009 11:54 PM PST reply actions 12 recs
I heard Canzano doesn't even wear a FLAG PIN.
So really, in what position is he to judge?
He SAYS he loves America
that was exactly the same line that jumped out at me. Picture it being said in an ominous voice-over with a picture of Brandon taken from a bad angle and looking like a sketchball. It sounds like something straight out of a political assassination ad or Behind The Music. Canzano is such an oozing pimple on the flesh of humanity.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 25, 2009 5:04 AM PST up reply actions
Why now though?
There’s plenty of real Blazer news (not to mention the biggest football game in the history of the state) and the most interesting thing Canzano has to offer is this? A story that has probably been written for a year and a half, but only now did he think that Roy was weak enough to attack. It often happens that after the big contract signing people become targets. This is going to cost the Oregonian 1 subscription.
by lickety brindle on Nov 25, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
More than one...
Several subscriptions will be lost.
I agree that with all the great things going on in sport right now in our State it is a very odd time for this article… But in reality there would never be a “good” time for it.
Lazy and weak journalism… No shock there!
Yeah, this article is crap.
He wonders if Roy is making a statement on individualism… as if that’s a bad thing?
Um, hello Johnny, ever read a book about the founders and their political philosophy?
Didn’t think so. Too busy reading books on baseball and shining your head to really understand the principles the country was founded on I guess. But apparently not too busy to comment on them blindly. What a total moron!
I can’t believe the line where he actually says, “But there’s no government agency charged with policing the anthem, so on game night we’re on the honor system.” What? As if our lives aren’t regulated enough, now athletes are somehow disrespecting the nation if they don’t stand in a certain place during the anthem?
Who’s to say what Roy is thinking during this time. There is equal chance that he’s contemplating on the words of the song, thanking God for his freedom and doing it in a way that is more meaningful to him because he’s not in the spotlight as there is that he’s not wanting to participate because of some disagreement politically.
Canzano is an idiot, but then everyone here knows that.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
I can't wait for the day
When we DO have a government agency charged with forcing people to sing the anthem that celebrates our freedom.
M—
by Mortimer on Nov 25, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
would ya vote for me if I promised to get it done...
I’ve seen what a Mortimer endorsement can do *gets dreamy eyes.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Nov 25, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Can you rule with the iron fist we need to make sure we rigidly comply with freedom requirements!?!?!
If so, I heartily endorse your candidacy for Head Czar of Amerika.
Morty
by Mortimer on Nov 25, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ha ha ha ...
Indeed, I’ll pretend to let the scot run everthing… it’ll be perfect.
just don’t tell jscot k. :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
This seems as good a place as any to drop these immortal words:
What would you do
If you were asked to give up your dreams for freedom
What would you do
If asked to make the ultimate sacrifice
Would you think about all them people
Who gave up everything they had.
Would you think about all them War Vets
And would you start to feel bad
Freedom isn’t free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don’t all chip in
We’ll never pay that bill
Freedom isn’t free
No, there’s a hefty (blanking) fee.
And if you don’t throw in your buck ’o five
Who will?
What would you do
If someone told you to fight for freedom.
Would you answer the call
Or run away like a little (kitty)
‘Cause the only reason that you’re here.
Is ‘cause folks died for you in the past
So maybe now it’s your turn
To die kicking some (butt)
Freedom isn’t free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don’t all chip in
We’ll never pay that bill
Freedom isn’t free
Now there’s a have to hook’in fee
And if you don’t throw in your buck ’o five
Who will?
You don’t throw in your buck ’o five. Who will?
Oooh buck ’o five
Freedom costs a buck ’o five
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 25, 2009 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
In this case, I support Brandon Roy 100%.
Of course, I dislike “The Star-Spangled Banner” being played at sporting events.
At the same time, though, John Canzano has got every right to publish this column.
This, folks, is freedom at its finest, with everyone — from Roy to Canzano — having the inalienable right to their own opinion, expression (or lack thereof), et cetera.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Inalienable rights
has nothing to do with getting paid for your opinion or to play basketball. This could hurt Canzano more than B.Roy, who is getting paid to write this awful piece of garbage and has a company to answer to.
Chris Dudley for three!
This doesn't qualify as "freedom of the press" to me.
This is almost borderline slander, or libel considering the medium. If this was to damage Roy in the public with a large segment of Blazer fans, this could lead to a lawsuit for defamation.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
Meh, it's not libel.
Again, John Canzano is a doltish moron; yet, he did nothing illegal. Although I’m all for folks calling out Canzano on his idiocy, it’s unfair for folks to expect a frivolous lawsuit to be filed against him. Rather, if you have a problem with Canzano — which is perfectly justifiable — then quit reading The Oregonian and, in turn, hope he loses his job due to performance-based reasons.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
That's the best course of action.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
We can hope and dream for that day.
I certainly hope he gets a job in a bigger market somewhere. Probably won’t happen if they actually get a good sample of his work before hiring him, but maybe, like the Oregonian all they will care about is circulation.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
Yeah, the bigwigs at Advance Publications, Inc. care about mainly one thing: "circulation."
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
AK it could still fall under libel
while thankfully Portland is progressive enough, can you imagine if this was posted in the midwest?
If Brandon loses sponsors or is blackballed around town or whatnot, then it would be libel. I dont think it would happen, but if it limits his income and is completely false, Brandon would have a case
by GreatOden'sRaven on Nov 25, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
Of course he has the "right" to publish it
We got the right to complain about it and give reasons why he’s a damn fool.
There are always possible repercussions to saying and writing foolish things, and this is one instance where Canzano deserves the crap he is going to get— and it won’t be anywhere close to the stupid crap Roy will get from people who think there is only one way to honor the national anthem.
I am pretty traditional with patriotism. I am a USA homer. I see our faults and want to change what I believe are our faults. When I was at the pre-season Clipper game and people started chanting DUNLEAVY SUCKS during the national anthem, I was offended. I enjoy honoring our country.
But individualism is one thing that makes this place great, along with free speech… and telling someone they are a damn fool when they act a fool is one of the benefits of living in the West.
Canzano deserves whatever he won’t really get.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Nov 25, 2009 12:06 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Right, John Canzano has every right to publish his idiotic blather; consequently, we've got the right ...
to call him out for being an absolute imbecile. Fair is fair, which is how freedom works. As a staunch libertarian, I advocate individualism more than anything. So, while Canzano’s attack against Brandon Roy’s individualism pisses me off, I know that I’ve got no place is trying to prevent him from voicing his opposite beliefs.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
What is incomprehensible
is that the Oregonian pays him for this drivel. That ought to be a prosecutable offense.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 25, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
I think it is... check out the stuff below the green comment w/ the link.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
I did.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 25, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
John Canzano must appeal to some marketable audience, so he's thereby earned himself ...
paying job in the newspaper industry. So, while you, I, and numerous other broad-minded folks find Canzano to be a mudslinging lout, he nevertheless has a vibrant fan base who are willing to pony up the cash — which must put a grin on the faces of every bean counter at The Oregonian — as paying consumers. That, whether or not someone likes it or hates it, is the real American way.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I'm free to piss the bed too
Doesn’t mean i should do it.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
True, but you can always wash the sheets.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I agree that he has the freedom to publish this article but I also have the freedom to continually redicule and criticise him for the stupidity it shows.
Also freedom at it’s finest.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
Ah, this has been covered, Blazers Edge failing to update for me FTW.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
The correct response to objectionable speech is more speech
So by screaming here about what a jackal Canzano is being, we are countering his free speech with our own so as to win the day. It’s very American to slam Canzano’s column.
In other words, I’ll not deny his right to say it, but I’ll sure as hell call him an idiot.
Gawd Bless Brandon Roy
’nough said.
by Bandwagon Fan since 1972 on Nov 25, 2009 12:13 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
What i don't understand,
is why is Canzano trying to jump on the “hate Roy” bandwagon with something so trivial as this? There seem to be plenty of basketball issues that the media (cough Jaynes cough) have lambasted Roy about, and Canzano tries to roast him for being supposedly unamerican? I know Canzano loves his “human interest” pieces, but this is crazy. I could see him printing a retraction, especially with the fact that he wrote about this same issue from the OTHER side 10 months ago as was mentioned above.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
Are you eastern euro?
Roybot.
Dirty Socks.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 25, 2009 12:32 AM PST up reply actions
Hmmm I'll guess that you're Polish.
Roybot.
Dirty Socks.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 25, 2009 12:33 AM PST up reply actions
and how do you FEEL about that?
Roybot.
Dirty Socks.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 25, 2009 12:38 AM PST up reply actions
Am I right or what?!!!
Roybot.
Dirty Socks.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 25, 2009 12:38 AM PST up reply actions
i said what i had to say! the man nailed it. interesting conversation throughout this thread.
by Ben Golliver on Nov 25, 2009 12:37 AM PST up reply actions
What up Ben?
Let’s harken back to the “what Wire character fits a Blazer” post a ways back that I like to revisit from time to time.
John Canzano = Scott Templeton, right down to the little award he’s probably polishing right now.
November 23, 2009: In a shocker, KP once again proves smarter than this DeJuan Blair fanboy because the Inferno is a ballplayer who fits with our post focused centers perfectly.
by blazeraddict on Nov 25, 2009 12:36 AM PST up reply actions
Templeton > Canzano
Scott only damaged the reputation of a fake person. Canzano chooses to go after real life people
by GreatOden'sRaven on Nov 25, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Meh..
It’s Canzano. Enough said.
I believe opposite of love is not hate, but indifference. So, I’ll show him some indifference.
by xedubx on Nov 25, 2009 1:04 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, indifference -- or apathy -- is the best way to combat John Canzano.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Nationalisms and Religions are two great human products.
Both keep humans working in a team, trying to improve things collectively. Both should be recognize and praised. They´re so big and so good that our leaders will easily make us parade in their names. Freedom is great also. Nobody marchs crying “electricity and education or death” though.
Then here come different teams, and we know historically how things develope from time to time: Instead of playing in the Olympics, we start a war in the name of our God or of our Nation. And millions and more millions of people get killed by their brothers. That´s how Europe has been made, having quite a few wars every century. And it´s not only Europe, of course.
But it´s not only against the other countries that we fight. There´re many little teams in our own big team. Those little teams have their own leaders and the fight also to take control of the big team. We know how things develope from time to time: we start a Civil War (every country has had one of those) or a religion War (Christians have fight against Christians, Muslims against Muslims, etc).
So, again, many of the best things we have come from Nationalism and Religions, but both should be kept accountable or, if you prefer to say it so, we should keep an eye on things made in their names, like, for example, when someone points at another human being because he doesn´t parade.
by amlmart1 on Nov 25, 2009 1:39 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
"Nobody marchs crying "electricity and education or death" though."
Clearly you’ve never been to France.
Chris Dudley for three!
"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning." - E. E. Cummings
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 25, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Very interesting discussion.
I do think it’s a little bit strange that the people who argue for Roy’s right to skip the national anthem are so down on Cazano writing the article.
Isn’t it just a tinny bit disingenuous to laud Roy’s right to free speech and then in the same breath criticize Canzano for exercising his right to free speech. You can’t say that everyone needs to respect Roy’s right to expression, even if you don’t agree with him, and then turn around and rail on Canzano because you don’t agree with the way he’s expressing himself.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 25, 2009 2:59 AM PST reply actions
I don't think it's disingenuous at all
Nobody’s criticizing Canzano for exercising his right to free speech. Everybody’s criticizing him for utilizing his right to free speech in a way that makes him sound like an utter jackass. He has every right to make himself sound like a jackass, but that doesn’t mean he’ll escape criticism for it.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 25, 2009 5:09 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I can see that.
I agree that the article was silly, but so is skipping the national anthem.
Canzano wasn’t criticizing Roy for exercising his right to free speech. He was criticizing him for utilizing his right to free speech in a way that makes him look like an utter jackass a tiny bit immature. Roy has every right to make himself look like a jackass a tiny bit immature, but that doesn’t mean he’ll escape criticism for it.
Now, I personally don’t care what Roy does. I think skipping the national anthem is pretty lame, but it’s his right to skip it, so I respect that. I’m just not sure how Canzano saying that Roy leaving his teammates during the national anthem shows a lack of leadership, is any worse than Roy actually skipping the national anthem. I don’t agree with either of them, but I don’t understand all the hate being thrown Canzano’s way for writing an OPINION about something Roy did.
People are criticizing Canzano for trying to make a bigger deal out of the whole thing at the same time that THEY try to make a bigger deal out of the whole thing. I just re-read the article and while I don’t agree with most of it, I didn’t think it was all that bad. He made some good points, some bad points, and pretty much pussyfooted around the whole subject.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 25, 2009 6:33 AM PST up reply actions
I do see what you're saying
and I think if it were a columnist who had tabula rasa instead of one who has literally built his career on half-baked insinuations and fanning the flames at the slightest hint of controversy, people might have reacted different, myself included.
But I’m so tired of Canzano’s schtick that I have little patience for his criticism of Roy in this instance, particularly because I don’t see it as a legitimate criticism — and I also feel that JC overstepped his bounds.
It’s one thing to say that Roy isn’t showing good leadership by leaving his teammates during the national anthem. That’s a non sequitor in my opinion, but fine. But I strongly objected to “He says he loves his country…” the implication being that he doesn’t. It’s wholly irrelevant for a sports columnist to be calling into question a player’s patriotism to begin with, and using this flimsy ‘evidence’ as the basis only worsens the offense.
It’s irresponsible, hack journalism. Just another JC special.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 25, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah.
I don’t like Canzano and I don’t consider him a journalist. The worst thing he says in the whole article is, “He said he loves America” which implies that Roy might NOT love America. It’s a little vague, but I think everyone knows what Canzano was trying to do there. He’s a big drama queen.
I’m just a little surprised at the level of outrage. Calling for his Job? Really? Maybe we should get a bunch of his articles and burn them. Canzano shouldn’t have written the article, but again, I’m not sure it’s worse than Roy leaving his team during the anthem.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 25, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
has it been established that Roy has done anything wrong?
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
I wouldn't say "wrong".
Maybe “imprudent” would be a better word.
Anyone else and I wouldn’t care (I barely care as it is). Webster could be doing it and I wouldn’t think twice, but Roy is the leader of the team, and leaving his team during the national anthem might not be the smartest thing he’s ever done.
If he’s NOT doing it for a political or ideological motive then he shouldn’t be doing it at all. I can understand Abdul-Rauf doing it, but if Roy doesn’t have a moral objection, then he should be out there with his teammates.
It would be like him skipping shoot around with the team or having a separate locker area or something. Maybe not to that degree, but I think it does show a lack of judgement.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 25, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
how do you know that?
If I was on a team with someone and they respectfully told me that they preferred to sit out the anthem, I wouldn’t necessarily mind that. How do you know the mind of his teammates on this?
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
Uh...I guess you didn't!
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
The column got published, and nobody censored it or prevented it from being published
Just like the one a few months ago when he didn’t seem to have a problem with Roy not standing with the team for the anthem and lauded his leadership and all-star worthiness.
The more interesting column would be: What made John change his opinion. Roy didn’t change his.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
I hate to side with Canzano on this one
But it sounds to me that Roy is basically pissing on the American Flag and our troops. He should be ashamed of himself. I didn’t spend 6 years in the navy for Roy to take his million dollar paychecks and basically spit in my face for being a vet. I can’t help but think Obama has something to do with this.
ahh another person in hawaii awake.
interwebz are quiet on HST
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
Follow my twitter www.twitter.com/PDXBlazersFTW, @PDXBlazersFTW. Lots of random Blazer Posts from links I find around the blogosphere.
I don't know when
when not standing for the National Anthem = Pissing on the troops. Nice try on the Obama tie-in though.
by Gary: Badass on Nov 25, 2009 3:29 AM PST up reply actions
Don't the terrorists win every time Brandon Roy engages in such acts?
"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning." - E. E. Cummings
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 25, 2009 7:31 AM PST up reply actions
Prettty much
It’s the troops that worry me the most. Say they are watching the Christmas game and they don’t see Roy out there for the anthem. It has the potential to break their spirit and it would adversely affect the outcome of the wars.
Why do you assume that Brandon Roy is even his real name?
I mean ROY = Rookie of the Year. Clearly this is a carefully chosen pseudonym for a guy whose real name is probably Hasheesh al-Jabra al-Jabooti or something.
He’s probably not even born in America!!!
WHY WON’T HE SHOW US HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE?!?!?!?!?
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!
REC
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Is Brandon Roy a secret muslim?
"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning." - E. E. Cummings
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 25, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Canzano thinks....
I don’t know if he is or isn’t, but Canzano has used the phrase “whoever he prays to” repeatedly. It could be innocuous, but considering the rest of Canzano’s choices/actions in his setup of this story it truly seems to me that he is using code language to insinuate that Roy is Muslim.
Down with the Ruskies
welll.... being a Muslim is cool, but being a ...
SECRET Muslim, now that’s a crime against this great Nation Isn’t it? I mean Doesn’t he have to register and wear a patch or an arm band or something?
They don’t just let em walk around do they? /s
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
by faith on Nov 26, 2009 5:24 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Or maybe like half of Portland, he Pagan!
Burning some sage for Apollo.
Either way, if Brandon is pondering religion, politics, or even what he wants to eat after the game… it’s his personal area of sovereignty. It’s nobody’s place to criticize him.
Is this like how not wearing a Flag Pin makes you not a patriot?
I appreciate the troops and their sacrifice, all of them. Ones who have made far more sacrifice than you. And bringing Obama into it is silly and shows me that maybe you aren’t quite the poster I thought you were. Or maybe (hopefully) your post is just snark.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 25, 2009 6:44 AM PST up reply actions
earthquakes in hawaii?
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
Yeah, well Tom's flag pin is bigger than yours — COMMIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Wonder if Canzano will actually show up on the thread
hasnt he has posted on BE before in response to the community bashing him ? coulda sworn it happened last year.
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
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Not sure what he'd say
Since he’s all but contradicted himself in print.
Jehovah’s Witnesses believe their highest allegiance belongs to God’s Kingdom, which is viewed as an actual government in heaven, hence they remain politically neutral. They do not salute or pledge allegiance to flags or sing national anthems or patriotic songs. Witness publications taught that saluting the flag and standing for the national anthem are forms of idolatry.
Even though they do not salute the flag of any nation, this certainly is not meant to indicate disrespect. They show this respect by obedience to the country’s laws.
I’d have a tough time slamming the door shut on B.Roy.
by contemnor on Nov 25, 2009 5:06 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Ah the irony of America, you have free will until it comes to 'showing patrotism'
I don’t really care if people aren’t into the National Anthem. It’s sort of like how people expect you to buy presents on Christmas. I appreciate my country and the people who have died for it my own way, during my own private moments. I think the National Anthem before every game cheapens patriotism quite frankly.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 25, 2009 6:42 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Patriotism and nationalism
make manipulation very easy. What many were so proud of about our country is paradoxically contradicted in this instance.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
You had me for a second
I’ve been spending too much time at The Politico
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 25, 2009 7:38 AM PST up reply actions
Too bad Josh Howard is not a Blazer. Canzano would have so much more material.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Canzano wins!
It’s well known that he will write whatever necessary in order to get people to talk about and view his column without much regard for journalistic integrity. The catch-22 here is that after 350+ almost universally negative comments he’s still won the arguement merely by creating the arguement in the first place.
Page views = win. You would think this technique would come around and bite him in the butt at some point. But that day isn’t today.
OJ got a lot of publicity too
just sayin.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 25, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
For Canzano this is nothing new
He’s been doing this exact thing for years people. And we are pathetic for having allowed the O to keep him around.
by goblazer1 on Nov 25, 2009 8:33 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Well Canzano just got what he wanted
ESPN picked this up and Truehoop posted about it, now it gets National attention and Canzano looks like he got a scoop. Truehoops Take
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"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 25, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
Well, Abbott's facilitation of the Canzano Career Enhancement Mechanism did have at least one positive....
It elicited this response in the comments section:
ctb61924 (11/25/2009 at 9:27 AM) Report Violation
I am a soldier, a veteran, and I despise the Blazers, but this doesn’t bother me one bit. He could be getting a hot dog for all I care. In fact, I had hoped that it was some kind of political statement. This country desperately needs more non-conformist, independent thinkers.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Here's another good one for Canzano to print out and insert...
freeballer187 (11/25/2009 at 9:00 AM) Report Violation
I have to say that the idiot that wrote this is just trying to pull at the heart strings of vets. If Brandon Roy wants to stand in the tunnel durring the national anthem don’t you think he should? Isn’t it his right to do that? I personally hate to show emotion in public. It could be that I was raised old school; or that I think that a man should be a man. The fact is that this is just a pathetic attempt to villainize someone for not conforming to general practice. For those that are going to contend that there is no malice. It is also your right to do so. My point is that it was a story that, simply, should never have been.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
so it's official
John Canzano hates Brandon Roy!
Or Canzano loves Roy.
And he just wrote this piece to push us to defend Roy. Bradon has been criticized too much lately by some fans and John might be the good guy who comes to distract our attention from other issues.
a convenient scapegoat?
johns wrong often so others can be right?
making him a bald shinny knight?
ha ha ha ha
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
whoa whoa
your giving Canzano WAY too much credit for thinking
by GreatOden'sRaven on Nov 25, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
And then ESPN removed my comment under the article for linking to Canzano's old column
ESPN FAIL
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
lol ESPN removed a comment?
I spew all sorts of vile hatred there and so far so good.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 25, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't swear, but sometimes I think their automated robots don't like my nickname without checking my comment history
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Actually I'm not that bad but some of those comments are unreal
Sometimes I like to say outrageous things to Laker and Knick fans and then log off though
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 25, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
I think we're all missing the point
If this had been the Jail Blazers era, a player would have been stepping off the court during the national anthem to blaze a spliff. Roy is doing it to pray quietly. Let’s enjoy what we have.
And, Canzano is a jingoistic, manipulative tool. Let’s stop driving traffic to his stories and maybe OLive will get the hint.
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
Actually, the point is staring you in the face and you still can't see it
John Canzano and Jason Quick CREATED the jail blazers. The players were unsympathetic to start with, but Canzano did the EXACT SAME THING to them as he is doing to Roy now. Canzano unfairly and ridiculously demonized Portland players for his own purpose. The only difference is Wallace et al were already unsympathetic at the time, so readers ate up Canzano’s horse-hooey narratives hook line and sinker. Now, we actually love Roy and the Blazers. But Canzano can’t change his stripes, so he is still doing his self-righteous judgmental holier-than-thou hate-fest. Now we can see it for what it is. Before few readers were thoughtful enough to notice it.
I can see it now
Canzano on P.A.:
“Why doesn’t the owner of the Blazers have a normal white blood cell count? Because he hates America”
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
by DonkeyShins on Nov 25, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
I think we're all missing the point
If this had been the Jail Blazers era, a player would have been stepping off the court during the national anthem to blaze a spliff. Roy is doing it to pray quietly. Let’s enjoy what we have.
And, Canzano is a jingoistic, manipulative tool. Let’s stop driving traffic to his stories and maybe OLive will get the hint.
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
Come to think of it, the aspersions cast by Canzano about Brandon's patriotism are par for the course among Oregonian employees...
Jason Quick has the power to intuit Brandon’s mental state and his precise critique of the “Three Guard Lineup” based on on court body language, after all… So Canzano’s being able to decipher Brandon’s views on patriotism and nationalism through his pre-game routine is clearly normal and natural for the omniscient sports columnists at Oregon’s largest newspaper…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
You noticed that too huh?..
Quick amazes me. He’s like The Amazing Kreskin… I’ve never seen a journalist so adept at quoting facts without ever hearing a word…
National Anthems?
Very Cool.
Where you choose to stand during their playing? Personal Choice.
The epitome of the National Anthem.
Henry receiving quite a few comments along the lines of:
Who cares? He’s allowed to do that if he wants to.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
It is kind of odd
That only we play the anthem before every game. In the UK for example, its only before international matches that they do so.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
When British people are playing, unlike the Premiership where non British people are playing.
To be honest, I’d be pretty annoyed if I had to stand and listen to some cultist song that bore no relevance to me whatsoever, a la Rudolfo/Batum.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
Idea:
Someone at the game tonight, please find Canzano and see what he is doing while the Anthem is being performed .
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
He'll be putting in a show
Hand on his chest, tears in his eye… Canzano is the greatest patriot the world has ever known.
M—
i just threw up in my mouth
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
he'll be decked out like Evil Knievel too stars and bedazzled stripes as far as the eye can see
O is for Offense
D is for Defense
E is for Energy
N is for Not in my house chump
by The Arkitect on Nov 25, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
EPIC FAIL
Canzano sat on this story for two years because Roy was bullet-proof. Now he sees a little chink in Roy’s armor – thanks to ‘The Miller Kerfuffle’ – and pulls it out. Canzano resorts to straw men, guilt by association, and appeals to emotions to make his case.
All in all EPIC FAIL.
Chain Bayless to the bench
by Tiparillo on Nov 25, 2009 11:29 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
The "what if the rest of the team did it" straw man is so transparent, it's embarrassing.
But what’s new for the bald-faced truther.
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 25, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Canzano is such a whore for his advertisers it’s not even funny.
The only way he can keep his show relevant is by stirring a very limited pot of sports stories in this area. Listen to his interviews with players. He’s always looking for a negative sensational story. Or prodding players into saying something they don’t want public.
His coverage of the Civil War has been really sad in particular. He’s been gunning for a Blount interview over the last several days. Apparently UofO don’t want him to say something a young player with issues might say on the air. Can’t blame them for that. But Canzano is making it sound like Blount has some super secret bit of information that the University is hiding. I mean come on. He’s just a young kid who isn’t particularly well spoken. Why would the school want him to be distracted by a frenzy of media questions during the season? Hi John. How about you wait until the season is over. Oh wait! Then it won’t be nearly as big of a story will it? Oh I get it now. You want more listeners to go with those shady advertisers you allow on 95.5. You know like “tiptopcash.com” and “thevegasnightmare.com”. Boy those sure are reputable sponsors! Ugh. I don’t listen to his show anymore. It’s a train wreck of money grubbing for advertising dollars.
"The team and the city are intertwined, and if one side isn't holding up that bargain, it's even more painful than usual. Anyway, I couldn't be happier that I got a taste of it. Great NBA city."
-- Bill Simmons
yep
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
This is a great opportunity...
for some smart team to step up and do away with the obligatory National Anthem.
For a few, I suppose, it’s value added to their sports experience, but for just as many it’s a negative, and I suspect the majority don’t give a rip and just patiently wait it out. Like having to constantly wait in line as school children, I’d guess that there’s a handful who find the routine comforting, but the majority wouldn’t miss it if it disappeared like the dodo bird.
The Blazers, like all teams in the league, put a lot of effort into creating anticipation that builds from introductions to tip-off. It’s just bad business to follow some routine when that dated routine distracts from the product.
I'd be ok with this. The Philadephia Flyers used to occasionally sing America The Beautiful
instead of the anthem. Maybe we could have an anthem without the obligatory uniforms once in a while, no national guard, firefighters or boy scouts. Maybe an anthem that didn’t hark back military or quasi military service. When was the last time you saw the flag escorted to the court by school teachers or nurses?
What, seriously, would be wrong with showing respect to the foreign players by playing their anthem once in a while?
What about a meaningful appreciation of country and its diversity instead of an empty military themed ritual night after night?
I think it's a privilege to be able to stand for the National Anthem
What Roy does isn’t an issue for me, but some of the comments above trouble me. My grandpa, who served during World War 2, was intensely patriotic, and it’s something that I take very seriously. We have a lot of blessings in this country including the ability to enjoy sporting events.
Tomorrow is Thanksgiving. That’s a lot of what the anthem means to me—it’s an acknowledgement of our blessings and being thankful for what we have. I guess a lot of people don’t get that.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
By ridiculing how I express it?
I don’t get it.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
Maybe if you stopped assuming things like:
“Tomorrow is Thanksgiving. That’s a lot of what the anthem means to me—it’s an acknowledgement of our blessings and being thankful for what we have. I guess a lot of people don’t get that.”
Then you might get more respect. The problem is that people like you want everyone to conform to what you see as the appropriate ritual, but you don’t show respect to others.
Really?
I don’t even know how to respond to this. Maybe re-read my comment? I’m not sure what part of it isn’t showing respect to others.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
When you assume that people "don't get" what Thansgiving or the anthem
means because they don’t share your appreciation for a particular custom. That’s showing lack of respect.
So
…what you’re saying is that I should say nothing. Just allow people to deride and spit on what I hold to be important. Okay.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
Then what ARE you saying?
Sheesh.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
Assuming you are serious and not posting this just because you have nothing
better to say, What I am saying is that assuming that people who call for a change in the way love of country is expressed at sporting events “don’t get” what the anthem or Thanksgiving" means is disrespectful.
If you can show where anyone is advocating deriding or spitting on things you should ask them that question, because I surely haven’t advocated that.
I think that you should be able to stand and put your hand over your heart anytime the spirit moves you.
Well, maybe not in the Starbucks line. But anyplace else is cool.
Thanks
I appreciate the response. I was being serious.
Firstly, I’m not speaking of Thanksgiving at all, just the anthem. I was comparing my view of the anthem in a way to Thanksgiving, both because it’s tomorrow and because it is relevant to how I feel about the national anthem.
Secondly, what I’m saying is that people don’t seem to get how people like me view the anthem. There’s more of us than you think—if it weren’t so, the anthem would have been done away with years ago. In fact, that’s how I presented it in my original comment:
That’s a lot of what the anthem means to me—it’s an acknowledgement of our blessings and being thankful for what we have. I guess a lot of people don’t get that.
That’s why I was so surprised that you would call me disrespectful for detailing how I (and many others like me) feel about the anthem. But what’s happening is that people think the anthem is some old tradition, some pro-war pro-Bush pro-right wing nut song. I don’t think it has anything to do with the current, former, recent presidents or their views or policies, and I find it offensive that people label it as such.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
I get that. I think many people, myself being one of them
feel that the ritual coerces people into a show of support that they may not currently feel. My father was a WW2 vet. I get how he feels about the flag. I came of age in the Vietnam era. My feelings are different. Too often the flag has been used as a figleaf for crimes committed in our names. That too is part of the heritage of the flag.
Love of country is often a very complicated thing.
by raoulduke on Nov 25, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Fair enough
In this way we would simply be on opposite sides of a vote to keep the anthem or get rid of it, understanding the other’s position and why they feel that way, and not deriding each other for perceived motives that don’t exist. That’s how it should be.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
Well, yes. I think people ought to show repsect the way they feel best.
Even the anthem thing. This is not a huge deal for me. I always stand because I’m there to enjoy a basketball game not get into a fist fight with a drunk over a perceived slight.
My grip is rather specific. Along with showing respect to the vets who sacrificed, lets have a show of patriotism once in a while that doesn’t explicitely link love of country to love of its military prowess.
I don't see the flag or the anthem that way
…after all, both have been around much longer than the issues you’re probably referring to. If someone used them as a “figleaf” like you said then I think that’s their problem, not the flag or the anthem’s, which were not intended that way nor do I think they should represent that.
But sadly I have to go get some work done. Good discussion raoulduke.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
remember when you said that labor unions were dumb
and that workers should make what they are worth?
yeah i know “people like you”
..
s
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
Labour unions hold too much power in my country.
So while I don’t think they are dumb I do take issue with them.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
The British are more civilised.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
My personal experience with labor unions leads me to draw the same conclusion...
I worked circles around employees who made twice as much as me simply because they had been there WAY longer. To put it in perspective, out of 200 employees, I frequently ranked in the top 25(yes there were literally statistics to prove it), yet was in the bottom 25 in terms of pay. It is ultimately why I quit a pretty good job…
RUDY > MJ
Unions certainly had their place...
Back in the dark ages of the early industrial age when corporations routinely ran sweat shops, pushed kids into coal mines, and most Americans worked 10-14 hour days, the balance of power was certainly out of whack and tilted far to the owner’s side.
But in these days where seemingly every human on the planet can take a picture and post it on a public forum within minutes, Soviet style corporate control is a thing of the past, and the playing field is much more level.
To me, this means that the usefulness to society of unions has greatly lessened. In many cases (see Detroit) I think the balance of power has shifted so far to the worker’s side that it’s to the detriment of the country.
Now, there are still areas where unions are needed, strangely enough sports are one of them. Sports leagues are unique, in that the league as a whole need balanced competition to survive. They are closer to oligarchies than capitalistic entities.
Soviet style corporate control is a thing of the past
The sad thing here is that most people actually believe that. Corporations beat the drum, and you march. – Elgin
Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers
corporations have never been so powerful
as they are now!
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
I'm not saying...
that the worker is all powerful, and I realize that most people who work for corporations (I’m fortunate to not have to these days) have little control over the work they are asked to do, no control over their wages, and many are stuck in dead-end, boring jobs, and I sympathize..
But my point was I don’t think too many are working in sweat shop conditions these days…
From a macro economic point of view, I don’t think most unions are as good for their members as they are bad for the economy…
And I do realize that those that have been in unions their entire lives have a different point of view…
Peace, and HT!
How odd that people who have actually been in Unions
think more highly of them than folks who haven’t.
Frankly most of the criticsm of unions seems to come from either the owners, which is understandable, or people who seem to feel that union members are undeserving of benefits like health insurance and good retirement that they themselves don’t get.
another of the curious things about this country
is that a large portion of the population mimics the same philosophy of the owning class, even though it does not benefit at all.
Thus you see anti-union rhetoric from people who are wage slaves.
Is it because everyone believes that they are the ones who are going to be Gatsbys, and don’t want any “socialist” scent on them for fear of disqualification from the top?
A classic example is health care. We’re getting raped by Insurance companies and MDs. In spite of the tremendous burdens it is placing on both families and businesses, we have mediocre care at best. And yet the same Americans who are victim to this system will defend it tooth and nail!
What it comes down to is we’re still reeling from the dose of double-speak and anti-government nonsense that was Ronald Reagan.
This is the Reagan Era playing out. Throw in the delusional narcissism of the baby boomers, and you have the American political and social zeitgeist.
So crazy!
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
Recced for Truth
….(and Justice and Freedom)….
I mean you’ve got to be pretty darn insulated to not have friends and family that have or are serving in the military. I would have to think that its an extreme minority of people who can’t put a personal face on people serving in the military.
By thinking that you have this special understanding is straight ridiculous. To repeat my point ALMOST EVERYONE HAS FRIENDS OR FAMILY THAT SERVES OR HAS SERVED IN THE MILITARY. Just because you do too, does not mean your view point is special. I mean seriously.
You're saying that they look like they're giving it their all. And you know why they look that way? Because they're bad, and it literally takes them the maximum physical effort to accomplish basic baseball tasks like throwing the ball from short to first. When David Eckstein throws the ball to first base, he has to wind up like a shot-putter, spin around forty-three times, and launch it at an angle 89 degrees from the horizontal. Afterwards, he undergoes an IV drip for a fortnight and he's so out of breath that he requires several months of acupuncture to regain the power of speech. For this we laud him. -Junior of Deadspin on 'scrappy' players
That has nothing to do with what I'm saying
At all.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
Yes it absolutely does.
By saying that your grandpa served in WW2, and so you have special knowledge and “other people don’t get that” ignores the fact that almost (once again because there could be people I don’t know about) everyone has someone they love that is either in the military or has been in the military.
They have just as much (and if you’re grandfather is the only person you know whose been in the military then you know wayyyyyy less people than most) reason to celebrate the people in the military, and know just as much how to celebrate these people and their commitment.
You're saying that they look like they're giving it their all. And you know why they look that way? Because they're bad, and it literally takes them the maximum physical effort to accomplish basic baseball tasks like throwing the ball from short to first. When David Eckstein throws the ball to first base, he has to wind up like a shot-putter, spin around forty-three times, and launch it at an angle 89 degrees from the horizontal. Afterwards, he undergoes an IV drip for a fortnight and he's so out of breath that he requires several months of acupuncture to regain the power of speech. For this we laud him. -Junior of Deadspin on 'scrappy' players
Okay
If you want a list, I have seven uncles, a dad, and a brother that have all served, but that is neither here nor there. I was stating that my grandpa had an influence on my view on America and that his military service had an impact on him as well. Maybe that wasn’t clear.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
Yes I guess it wasn't clear
I thought you meant that people should respect the anthem because of the people that you knew in the military, and I was trying to point out that everyone knows people in the military, and its not like they’re making ill-informed decisions on what they do.
Sorry about that, my mistake.
You're saying that they look like they're giving it their all. And you know why they look that way? Because they're bad, and it literally takes them the maximum physical effort to accomplish basic baseball tasks like throwing the ball from short to first. When David Eckstein throws the ball to first base, he has to wind up like a shot-putter, spin around forty-three times, and launch it at an angle 89 degrees from the horizontal. Afterwards, he undergoes an IV drip for a fortnight and he's so out of breath that he requires several months of acupuncture to regain the power of speech. For this we laud him. -Junior of Deadspin on 'scrappy' players
No problem, it happens
This is the internet. My brother is making fun of me for arguing on it.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
then why did you include it in your comment?
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
Begging your pardon, but the collective sports experience has nothing to do in any way at any level with freedom or "blessings"....
We have a lot of blessings in this country including the ability to enjoy sporting events.
Witness the Nazi use of the 1936 Olympics or the way sport was used to divert popular attention in the old Soviet bloc.
Collective sports is nothing more than popular entertainment. Turning mass gatherings into nationalistic festivals, however briefly, isn’t a pro-freedom thing — it’s a positive danger.
Pro football is the worst, incidentally. The nationalistic pageantry gets spookier and spookier the deeper the playoffs run — complete with fighter jet flyovers and flags as big as the entire football field…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
It would be spooky if this were Nazi Germany
It isn’t, timbo, as you well know.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
None-the-less the uses could be portrayed as relatively similar.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
and the way to insure that it never becomes so
is to understand history enough to be wary of mixing mass gatherings with lockstep fealty to a flag.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
Be wary, sure
but don’t assume that’s the only path to Nazi Germany. I won’t go into that here…too political, and I’ve already crossed that line too far.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
I know you don't want to get in to it right now,
but I will. :)
One of the alarming things about the US right now is it’s total lack of understanding of political history. And by influential and vocal people.
It is dangerous to drop the Nazi word in any conversation, but it is even more dangerous not to understand what Fascism is.
The marriage of corporatism and nationalism and militarism are the distinguishing political landmarks of fascism. Throw in a bogeyman (terrorists, jews, arabs) and the spiritual desolation of materialism without end, and you have the ingredients. Sound familiar? It should.
This is why when I hear people talk about Islamo-fascism it is so disturbing, because it shows such an ignorance of history. If Fascism takes hold, it will be in a military-industrial state, and one with the post modern experience of the bankruptcy of material culture, not a poor, fundamentalist muslim country.
We have unprecedented corporatism in this country. Our military is larger than the rest of the world’s combined.
So yes, flag-flying and anthem singing, and the pressure on the non-conformist to obey rituals associated with them, is actually a serious business. The third leg of the stool if you will.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
by Blazin' on Nov 25, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
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This is why when I hear people talk about Islamo-fascism it is so disturbing, because it shows such an ignorance of history. If Fascism takes hold, it will be in a military-industrial state, and one with the post modern experience of the bankruptcy of material culture, not a poor, fundamentalist muslim country.
S
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
"Our military is larger than the rest of the world's combined."
That’s not even slightly true. Go here and check your facts please. Yes we do have a large military, but to say it’s larger than everyone else’s combined is wrong.
Ok,
I checked your site. According to it, our military budget is ten times greater than our nearest competitor. And roughly equal to the next 15 largest militaries combined. That is compelling enough.
But the figure of $515 billion is controversial as there have regular supplements for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and does not include things like the VA and CIA etc.
I have read figures saying that total US annual defense expenditures are as high as $1 trillion per year, which would make my statement accurate.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
I disagree.
Our budget may be larger than everyone else’s combined, but that doesn’t make out military itself larger than everyone else’s combined. Just means we’re spending way more money than we need to be on the military.
A rec even though you show inaccuracies
Islamic fundamentalism is the foremost threat to a peaceful Europe due to its presence in places like Holland, England and Germany.
Ideas are powerful. The communists didn’t have the money, and they made a splash. Same as those who initially pushed for democracy, or who pushed a religious idea.
"tomorrow is thanksgiving... it's an acknowledgement of our blessings.."
I wish I could go back into time and ask any tribe of Native Americans how they feel about that.
S
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Nov 25, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think they’d be willing to bring maize knowing what they know now…
O is for Offense
D is for Defense
E is for Energy
N is for Not in my house chump
by The Arkitect on Nov 25, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, this will probably be misunderstood.
I didn’t even understand it until I posted it.
My usual tendency, if you want to call it that, is to try to be somewhat on topic, but a bit (or more than a bit) frivolous. I don’t have a lot of bball smarts. I’m just a fan. But I like to kid around.
This whole discussion, while probably healthy in some respects, is bumming me out at the moment. It seems unnecessarily divisive. I know it doesn’t do any good to pretend we’re all on the same page with this stuff, but I’m not sure it does a whole lot of good to have the discussion on BE.
So, I’ve been seeking opportunities to just lighten things up. I don’t think it’s working. As for your comment, “The Arkitect”, please don’t construe anything I’ve said as being critical. Actually, I’d have to agree with your comment above.
Trying to think happy thoughts as we head into Thanksgiving. It also happens to be my mom’s 100th birthday tomorrow. I have lots to be thankful for.
To resume being utterly frivolous, Go Blazers!
Dang congrats to your mom and her gene pool… she and I share a birthday, but she’s got me by 70 years… as for the divisiveness of the discussion, welcome to the wonderful world of Canzano
O is for Offense
D is for Defense
E is for Energy
N is for Not in my house chump
by The Arkitect on Nov 25, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Happy birthday to your mom
I hope you and your family have a great Thanksgiving. I’ll be calling my mom tonight, she’s a mere 88 years old. – Elgin
Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers
We Like the internet!!!!
Thanks Sophia.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
If they’d let me I would go stand in the tunnel for the national anthem just to support Roy. What a stupid story. I really hope people here aren’t listening to Canzano’s show. Don’t give him an audience.
"The team and the city are intertwined, and if one side isn't holding up that bargain, it's even more painful than usual. Anyway, I couldn't be happier that I got a taste of it. Great NBA city."
-- Bill Simmons
I'm considering converting back to Isaac and Suke in the afternoons.
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
You should listen to Petros over the internet
http://www.am570radio.com/common/podcast/single_page.html?podcast=petrosmoney
"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning." - E. E. Cummings
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 25, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I can understand that, I have to take a break every now and then too
but I’d rather listen to him than Canzano, Dawson and the CIP, or The Big Suke any day of the week. He cracks me up and he hates the Lakers which is a plus.
Look for the Adam Carrolla Wednesdays, those things are definitely worth a listen to. Him and Carrolla are pretty funny together.
"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning." - E. E. Cummings
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 25, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
I think if we just stick with a little longer we can all agree on what it means to love your
country and how to show it.
n mullets.
you ain’t a true american if you haven’t sported a mullet at least once in your life.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
You're dumb
But I still love you.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
You mean
“an apparatus used for the distillation of liquids; consists of a vessel in which a substance is vaporized by heat and a condenser where the vapor is condensed.”
Yeah, I don’t like that either. Should have used a different word.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
BTW (and pay attention, Dave--you can use this)
My cousin’s husband is a retired preacher from Kentucky. He told me:
Joshua made the sun stand still, but he didn’t make the moonshine still.
Do they show the Anthem on TV?
Maybe they do and I don’t notice, because I try to not to tune in before tipoff if I can time it.
But if they don’t regualrly show the Anthem and instead go to commercial break, than I guess is it’s purpose businesswise is that it’s just an opportunity to sell advertising.
you know
I stand at national anthems, sometimes remembering to take off my hat, but I never think about it, I do it because its like simon says.. the music starts and I get up.
I appreciate our freedoms earned during the revolutionary war, but I don’t feel it necessary to have during games. I do, say and think a lot of things that aren’t what the general midewestern conservative would consider patriotic, but frankly in my opinion the second I am forced to do something I don’t want to, then I am not free. And then I am pissing on what they accomplished.
If you want to stand, stand. If you dont, dont. Dont disparage anyone else because they don’t do as you do. Its a trivial thing. Unite for the betterment of our people in this country and to protect our way of life.. the NA does none of those things.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Nov 25, 2009 1:48 PM PST reply actions
The most disturbing thing about this article is not his opinion
—but the way in which it is presented.
It is not that he disagrees with Roy being away for the national anthem, but that he assumes that it is simply right to be there for the anthem, and wrong not to be there. That, basically, anyone who agrees with him (Canzano) and who stands for the anthem and desires to love and honor and respect america and support the war is good and right, and anyone else is wrong.
What if it WAS a political statement? What if he lies awake hating america at night, thinking about how much he hates america, foaming at the mouth, and thinking about Marx and Lenin and Castro?
THAT WOULD BE HIS RIGHT! Like, a VALID right. for real. Something a citizen could actually choose to do. It would not make him any less of a human being than if he saluted and sang along.
All of the falling over himself to ensure Brandon Roy honors and loves america—and especially to ensure that it is NOT a war protest—leaves the worst taste in my mouth. What if he didn’t want to honor and love america? What if it was a protest against the war?
The National anthem has just become an acceptance test, sort of like an oath of allegiance to the king, except now it is to “america”: Does he stand for the anthem? Does he LOVE AMERICA?!?!?
“It is not a political statement. It is not a protest. He said it is not intended as a slap on patriotism, or the ongoing war”
OHHHH, whew, ok good. Glad we cleared that up. Otherwise, he would clearly be a bad person, and would need to be shunned.
“The Star-Spangled Banner was written in 1814 by the poet Francis Scott Key after the bombing of Fort McHenry during the War of 1812. It acts now as a rallying point for Americans who pause to respect the values, meaning, sacrifice, and hope wrapped up in the history of our country. Despite our differences, in that moment, with that simple gesture, we come together. And I’ve noticed Roy’s absence and wondered about it, too”
This is one of the most disingenuous statements I have EVER read. “despite our differences… we all do this thing which I just happen to support.” That would be like a Christian saying “despite all of our differences, we all get the chance to come together and pray to the one true God Jesus Christ”—that is not “despite” our differences and evidence of some sort of unity, it is “despite” our differences by forcing anyone who might be different to fall in line or be ostracized.
All of you who agree with Canzano: Don’t be so divisive, let’s just get together and burn the flag, despite our differences….
It is preposterous and absurd.
His best is yet to come though, he actually LAMENTS that there isn’t a government agency ensuring people say the anthem!!:
“It’s a question fans shouldn’t have to ask. But there’s no government agency charged with policing the anthem, so on game night we’re on the honor system.”
Incredible. Maybe he will be happy when we get an SS or a KGB to ensure people are in line with the dominant, governmental status quo.
He then gloats about a few players who have not participated in the anthem and who have been punished for it, before concluding:
“Roy?
He has been a positive role model in almost every other way. He knows what the anthem represents. He said he loves America. And only takes the time to himself because, “I never really thought much about people being upset by it.” "
Ok good. So he would be a positive role model if he loves america and is there for the national anthem… ergo he would be a poor role model if he didn’t do either of those things. Not so fast, Canzano, I myself would absolutely disagree with that, as would many others.
So, what else will Canzano criticize Roy for disagreeing with his own views? Will the next article be about how Brandon Roy supports/is against abortion, and is therefore not a team player?
The point is, Canzano presupposes in his article that a good role model, a good person, a good teammate, would love america, not speak out against the war, and be present for the national anthem. He doesnt argue this, he just assumes it, and furthermore, STANDS on this assumption in order to make thinkly veiled accusations against Brandon Roy. It is ludicrous.
by TimG on Nov 25, 2009 2:30 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
Here's how I'd like to hear Brandon Roy respond to Canzano:
( )
and
( )
In other words, with silence. And he should keep doing whatever he wants, as long as he feels he has the fans’ support in doing so. Canzano would love nothing more than to actually force some kind of change as a demonstration of the power of his bully pulpit. Roy should give JC the respect he deserves, which is none.
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 25, 2009 2:42 PM PST reply actions
I hope that he does not join the stand and salute line on court and stays in the tunnel.
In fact, I hope they all stand in the tunnel.
Marketing wouldn’t like it but I would love it.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
Unfortunately, not everybody in the arena will know about this made-up controversy.
So that probably wouldn’t look so good.
But I’d love to see all of Canzano’s go-to quote guys freeze him out for a long time.
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 25, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Rec'd
I’d go one better – the whole team should freeze out Canzano. I might actually start reading his stuff regularly again (at least other than the particularly egregious hit pieces that get posted here), just to read the whining.
The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMiillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)
by blazeraddict on Nov 25, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Canzano = Yellow Journalism
Canzano is an idiot for mucking up this kind of slop.
Folks really in the know are aware that Brandon is tone deaf as a stone – he actually sings the anthem in the tunnel where he can’t be heard by the crowd. I can make up motive too.
You can observe a lot just by watching.
-- Yogi Berra
by Rick C in Tigard on Nov 25, 2009 3:01 PM PST reply actions
TEAM
This issue is about being a leader…
would it be tolerated if Dante Cunningham or Rudy wouldn’t join the team?
join them for what? practice? a game?
oh right, a song. does brandon also have to hold rudy’s hand while he goes to the bathroom?
I’d like to see the logical formula in which reciting an anthem together equates leadership of a basketball team.
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
That sounds like a game of Twister.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
If Roy were a better leader...
…then Cunningham and Rudy would follow him into the tunnel?
I’m not an expert in pyschology, but I think how he performs and works with his teammates in a basketball environment is a better indicator of how well he plays with others.
This whole article is reminiscent of the “controversy” over Andre Miller keeping to himself off the court. Just something for small minded newspaper hacks to whine about.
Yes
This is a complete non-controversy. I could care less what a player does during the anthem. I wouldn’t condone outright disrespect – but this is not what we’re talking about here. And even if someone wanted to jump on a flag during the anthem, that’s their right. I’d think they were an idiot and wouldn’t want them on the team regardless of ability, but it is not anyone’s place to dictate to someone else what is “acceptable” manifestation of patriotism, or try to shame them into faking it.
The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMiillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)
by blazeraddict on Nov 25, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
True
We shouldn’t pray for politicians, we should hope for them to go away.
Besides, gods only care about wins and losses in sports as evidenced by all the athletes who pray. So athletes and fans need to pray harder whether they are “in the tunnel” or out of it!
Could be the guy is just shy about praying in public.
I’m all for closing this thread and not giving Canzano any more publicity.
Write, call or cancel the “O” if you like and tell them why.
You can observe a lot just by watching.
-- Yogi Berra
by Rick C in Tigard on Nov 25, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Dang you Canzano..
just stirring up more controversy.
I kinda agree with him though, on certain points.
Look, I totally think that Roy having time to himself is awesome, but I don’t understand why he thinks that what he is doing is not going to have an effect on the other guys. Why wouldn’t he reserve a minute or two before the anthem or after to pray? It’s a time to unite with your fellow teamates and coaches to look into the eyes of the opponent, and to embrace the challenges that are in front of you. Alot of people are saying, “Geeeeez, it’s just a song get over it.” That’s exactly what I’m thinking, but I’m also thinking why not hang out with your team in the middle of the court for a couple minutes. If they’re gonna get rid of the national anthem that’s fine by me, but since it’s still being played for games at least pay respect to the person that’s singing the dang song. It’s just weird to me that’s all, and I still love Brandon just the same. Can’t wait for the day when half the team is in the tunnel, and half the crowd is sitting down texting to friends while the anthem singer is belting their heart out.
Dang, Roy gonna change his routine
according to @BlazerFreeman
hat said, I’ve been told Roy plans to change his routine and will start to honor the anthem by standing with his teammates. Starting tonite
T
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
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Bad move.
Admitting that he has done something wrong through his choice, bad, bad, bad move.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
We all know he doesn't but I'll go along with it.
I’d question the reasons he thinks it is wrong much in the same way I would question people here.
A song is just a song until you personally change it into a symbol of worship.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
All I'm saying is
that we’ve all had moments where we thought for ourselves “Wow what I just did might not have been the best idea. May be I should change my behavior.” It’s possible that Brandon has had this moment, we don’t really know what’s going on in his head. And seriously, I personally don’t care one way or another. Stand up for the anthem or sit down, do what you want as long it’s not harming anyone. That’s one of the beauties of our nation, is it not?
If he doesn't do it
Then he’ll allow JC to rant about this until Roy goes out for the anthem or does an interview with JC. This way, it just goes away.
by tominhawaii on Nov 26, 2009 1:04 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If true, it sucks that Brandon's feeling pressured by Canzano the human
cess pool scraper to do ANYTHING! I hate it.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Nov 25, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, Brandon Roy gets some blame for pandering to John Canzano's jingoistic demagoguery.
My hope was that Roy would ignore this vacuous bullcrap and keep doing what he does without letting others — particularly a rabble-rousing lummox like John Canzano — change his pre-game routine; yet, as it is, #7 seemingly didn’t have the fortitude to stand up for himself. Oh well, maybe Roy thought that it wasn’t worth the hassle. Even then, though, that sets a scary precedent, as one should always stand up and fight back against incendiary diatribes like the one spouted by that cretin Canzano.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Hmm... I wonder if...
BRoy’s sub-par game tonight could be blamed on Clownzano changing his pre-game routine?
That's as chicken as Obama wearing a flag pin to get elected...
That said, I’ve been told Roy plans to change his routine and will start to honor the anthem by standing with his teammates. Starting tonite
Chalk another one up for McCarthyism.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I don't blame Roy though
No one know how long JC would drag it out and cause a distraction. Before ESPN games, they would show Roy going to the tunnel. At least now it’s hopefully over.
True, Brandon Roy has every right to make decisions based on maintaining a public image that ...
appeals to a mass audience. To me, though, I wish Roy would’ve flipped John Canzano — as well as the mindless lemmings who agreed with his superpatriotic drivel — the proverbial bird and didn’t alter his routine in any way, shape, or form.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
My hope is they at least blackball him
Hopefully none of the players go in his radio show or interview for his column from now on.
Yeah, a boycott seems like the most productive way for them to counter John Canzano.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Maybe, contrary to Canzano's ravings, Brandon is such a team player
that he subsumes his own feelings and beliefs for what he sees as the good of the group. He doesn’t want a stupid focus like Canzano’s drivel to distract from the common goal. I respect him for that but think Canzano is as despicable as any of the right wing radio blatherers we’re subjected to on the airwaves who crucify people over made up indiscretions at the drop of a hat. I smell Lars Larsen in this fiasco. I think Canzano was even on Larsen’s show talking about this wasn’t he? Why do I think that?
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
exactly
Pick your battles. Unless Roy was trying to make some statement by sitting in the tunnel, its easier to just go out for the anthem and end the controversy. Let it blow over and then he can go back to his normal routine when clownzano isn’t breathing down his neck ….
RUDY > MJ
I don't have any problem with this, Roy clearly didn't feel strongly about it
Let’s get back to basketball
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 26, 2009 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
And Canzano will take his punishment as diminished reputation among peers
Yes he got a short term ratings spike, but like many instant gratification things it will hurt long-term. Other journalists are already calling him out with disgust in their voices. And you can bet Roy (or the rest of the team) won’t be as willing to share with him in the future.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 26, 2009 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
For one, I WISH we had an anarchist on our team.
I mean, it’s PORTLAND! We should DEMAND to have at least one anarchist.
Well, not one who firebombs things..
Like, a nonviolent anarchist? Is that too much to ask?
Although, nice reference, lol.
Clearly, "Tre"
should be a 2 or 3… you know, because point guards don’t need to hit “tres”…
Ben is a Twitter monster
if there was one thing we didn’t need in blazers coverage, it was the birther movement.
That sound you just heard was Canzano hitting the canvas, and he’s not getting up.
The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMiillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)
It's too bad Canzano pointed this out.
Obviously Canzano is bringing this out now for his own benefit. Roy has made some diva like comments lately, so Canzano sees that as a time to bust this out. Put that aside though and try to look at it from an honest perspective.
If this was Kobe or someone else with a less than stellar image, would you hate on them? Of course you would. It’s not about Patriotism, it’s about thinking it’s ok to go over by yourself and away from the team during the national anthem, a pregame TEAM ritual as old as the game. How many players would think this ok to do? It makes it even worse that it has nothing to with having something against the anthem, he just does what Roy wants to do.
I still am a big Roy fan, but he has been less than impressive this year when it comes to some of his off court antics. Anyone else and he’d be getting plenty more diva and selfish comments.
Yeah, I agree.
If the entire Blazer team skipped the anthem I think the majority of Blazer fans would be disappointed and embarrassed.
It’s really a moot point. Roy is going to stay with the team during the anthem, so it doesn’t matter anymore.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 25, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
Can you Link
The diva and selfish comments please.Also all off court antics.Thanks.
Real men are not afraid of riding pink wheels.
by DigDug on Nov 25, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Just like the LeBron dunk video scandal
This will be forgotten in a month.
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
what scandal!?! i missed it!?!
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
Some kid dunked on him during the summer
And Nike or LeBron or somebody confiscated the tape.
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 26, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
I was stuck in traffic, so I made the mistake of tuning in to his sleazy show
…just in time to hear him call Roy a “diva.” What an unmitigated ass. JC would call his granny a hooker if it helped ratings. Of course, the strategy is working for him.
It always does if you’re willing to stoop that low. Like they say, “If it smells, it sells.”
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 26, 2009 7:26 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
JC is taking his initials too seriously
When was the last time he walked on water? C’mon John- you know as well as anyone that Brandon’s commitment to the team, the organization, and the game is impeccable. Who else could say – believably – after scoring 52 in a game, “I would have been happy with 10 points and the win”…?
Find a better subject to write on, and stop politicizing Brandon’s personal life…
by callmechristian on Nov 26, 2009 11:54 PM PST reply actions
Congrats John!
You,ve officially declared to us that you know your newspaper is weeks away from folding and Portland is about to become the first “blogtown u.s.a.” You’re a radio host first, a writer after. If you had your own blog, you would never dream of writing such sensational articles.
Is this your goal? Despite your unarguable values to life, expressed on your radio program, is it true that your entire goal is to get readers or listeners at any cost? Forget humility? I mean have some pride bro!?
You know Brandon, you’ve spent days with him compared to your readers. Are you really questioning his choices? His personal choices? Do you really think he deserves this criticism? Did you jiz when you saw him with the rest of the team Wednesday, knowing you got your wish? Now everything was right in the world, Roy stood in line. If Roy spent one more second than he already does, standing in line for you fools, the newspapers would’ve been dropped completely by now. Here’s to you expediting that reality with your paparazzi tabloid stories.
Always Bedge before you O. Not to kill the O, but to inform them how media should be presented in the modern age, realistically.
"Rudy’s flashy passes had the place whispering to each other like we were in junior high" ~BlazermaniacAndy
by courtsideerrandboy on Nov 27, 2009 1:40 AM PST reply actions
John Canzano: I Have a List of Five Trail Blazers Who Are Card-Carrying Communists
I decided to have a little fun and I wrote Canzano’s next step in his Committee on Unamerican Activities series of columns.
by robrun2 on Nov 27, 2009 9:40 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Hahahahahahahhahhahaha! You got his smarm exactly right.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
What if? A different take on Roy’s Tunnel-Gate
What if the Blazer front office was having a problem with Roy’s actions? Perhaps they have been trying to convince him that for the good of the Blazer brand name, that it would be best for him to stay on the court with the rest of his teammates during the singing of the Star Spangled Banner? What if, after having seeing players like Bayless and L.A. do the same thing a few times recently they decided that they had seen enough and that it was time to enlist the help of a local sports writer, and have him go public with the issue? It would not be the 1st time that this sort of thing has happened
2-4 the who
Canzano is a troll
And that troll is being fed. Its another non-issue among the many non-issues written by this guy. Calling out that hack for his divisive “journalism” is exactly what he thrives on. We should treat his articles the way you treat the kid in grade school who always acts up for attention- by ignoring the brat. Anyone else in favor of a “ban all comments regarding Canzano”? Its hard to turn a blind eye to muck being thrown all over your favorite team, but it may be the only way to turn off the spigot of crap that continuously flows from the pen of Canzano.
Wrong
As you say, the Bald Headed Twerp thrives on angry criticism. He prides himself on having a thick skin; he stirs up controversy for its own sake. But ignoring him isn’t the way to go.
The best way to deal with this smarmy, ratings-hungry “journalist” is to make fun of him. The guy has a remarkably thin skin when it comes to ridicule—understandably because he’s so completely ridiculous.
I mean, I laughed uncontrollably the time I tuned into his show to hear him bragging about how much weight he can bench press. What a pathetic, insecure clown!
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
I see your point.
It is just painful to have to deal with someone so infantile. But if ridicule is the way to go to oust this vulture from his perch, so be it. I am all for trash talking a trashy journalist, I just figured he’d go away without the effort. I guess I should know better…the dude has been around a long time and has written worse drivel than this.
curious
wondering how many do not agree with Canzano and think this is an outrage…but think it is okay to litter…..throw your cigarette butts and trash wherever you please………hmmm? but you love your country …….ah yes….love of country and of freedom…freedom to trash this beautiful place we love? just saying….we could go on forever…pick your poison…
we all are responsible….
by debra31098 on Nov 27, 2009 2:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Just for the record
I recycle, throw garbage in trash cans, don’t smoke, and I wrote this post. If you’re trying to write some sort of metaphor between literal garbage and praying alone during the national anthem, I’m really not on board with that.
Chris Dudley for three!
Huuhhhhhhh...
I probably look like my dog when she doesn’t understand something right now… (tilted head and all)… I’m afraid I don’tunderstand the point…
…come to think of it I don’t really want to understand.
Gotta be a put-on
Good one, debra31098! You got us reading & re-reading, scratching our heads all the while.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
I don't know anyone who litters.
Is littering a big problem these days?
I haven’t seen a white dude pretending to be an Indian Chief crying about litter for decades now.
We all pretty much love our country, but we’re mad at Canzano for questioning Roy’s love of it. We aren’t calling Roy out, and at the same time littering or doing negative things for our country. If THAT was what was happening then what you say would maybe make more sense to me.
If you can, please elaborate what you mean with your comment, just so we can know what each other are trying to say.
Mortimer
cigs
I see people tossing cig butts out the window all the time while driving. Littering is disgusting and I wish I could smack them upside the head or fine them for thinking that the world only revolves around themselves and their poo don’t stink.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
I just threw my litter on your post
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 28, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
Blazer fans disgruntled? Maybe I can toss in some Roy hate!!!
I haven’t not read the article and I don’t plan to. I don’t need to. Canzano will either piss people off or attempt to make them cry. I absolutely despise him and haven’t read anything by him in since sometime last year.
As for Roy… why is he special? He should be out there with his team mates. This is sports, it’s a show, and that is part of the show. I don’t think Roy is unAmerican for wanting to do it his own way, but what if the entire team did it their own way? You no longer have a team out there. (hmmm… sort of like the last two games actually)
Canzano is a putz, but the ultimate point that Roy should be out there WITH his team is valid.
You have a problem with the rest… JUST STOP READING AND WRITING ABOUT HIM!!! your life will be better for it, i promise.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
What do you mean? Canzano reveres religion
The Church of Ratings, that is.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
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