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Media Row Report: Blazers 122 Bulls 98

So that's what it looks like when everything comes together.  It's been awhile since Portland Trail Blazers fans have seen their team play as dominant, inspired basketball as they did Monday night, pounding the Chicago Bulls 122-98 in the Rose Garden.  

The win was a blueprint for how things should have been working all along.  The tandem of Greg Oden (24 points, 12 rebounds) and LaMarcus Aldridge (24 points, 13 rebounds) should overwhelm teams inside.  The scoring ability and play-making of Brandon Roy (18 points, 7 assists) should open things up for his teammates.  Andre Miller (15 points, 5 assists) should be free to attack weaker second team defenses, getting to the line for an endless string of free throws.  Rudy Fernandez (13 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists) should play off of Miller, knocking down open shots and dazzling the crowd with his passes (except that one off of Luol Deng's face.  Jeepers.). Steve Blake (3 points, 4 assists) should be the 7th or 8th offensive option, playing passably but not horribly.  The youngsters -- Jerryd Bayless (4 points) and Dante Cunningham (4 points)-- should help step on the gas when appropriate.  And Martell Webster (6 points, 4 rebounds) should do what he does best: try really hard during garbage time to make up for a lackluster game.

All kidding aside, this game was by far the best all-around performance of the young 2009-2010 season for the Blazers and was certainly the most impressive, entertaining victory of the year as well.  

The Blazers won the first quarter, counted on their depth to blow open the game in the second quarter, did a solid job of weathering a Luol Deng-led (25 points) push in the third quarter and cruised down the stretch.  With the game out of reach, the Rose Garden crowd took a break from doing the wave to serenade their starting center with chants of "Oden! Oden!" in appreciation of his play against NCAA rival Joakim Noah.  It's hard to remember the Rose Garden cheering Oden as passionately as they did Monday night, and it was well-deserved.  His strong, patient play on offense, his smart play on defense and his fantastic foul shooting added up to what was likely his best performance as a professional.  It was, at times, mouth-watering and jaw-dropping.

His confidence soaring, Oden returned to the locker room after the game -- and an NBATV interview -- to joke on camera that his Ohio State Buckeyes would "smash" either the Beavers or the Ducks in the Rose Bowl.  He laughed and smiled as he said, "Sorry, but it's true."  What's this?  Giggles talking smack?  Love it.

While the hot discussion topic might still be whether Steve Blake or Andre Miller should start at point guard, tonight we finally saw real evidence that Miller running the second unit is good for all parties.  Make no mistake, Miller had a much better game than Blake tonight.  But ask yourself this: Does Miller score the same 16 points if he plays all his minutes alongside Brandon Roy?  Probably not.  Does Brandon Roy score 18 points if he plays all of his minutes alongside Andre Miller?  Do these two players, the team's two best play-makers, combine for 12 assists if their minutes overlapped more?  Are both Aldridge and Oden able to get going if Roy and Miller are both in the game simultaneously, if Blake isn't there to keep the defense a little bit more honest?  Does the team's dominant second quarter take place if Blake is running the show rather than Miller?

We might not have solid answers to these hypothetical questions but we do have answers from tonight: simply put, Miller off the bench can work on the court.  Indeed, it can work very well.  Will it work over the long haul, taking into account egos, minutes, numbers, and all the rest of it?  Who knows.  But it produced the single best team performance of the season.  

When the Blazers are rolling like they did tonight, there are not many teams in the NBA that can come in to Portland and win.  Certainly, that effort would have beaten the Denver team that came to Portland earlier this season and, equally certainly, that effort will beat the Jazz team the Blazers face later this week. While the starting point guard battle can and should remain an open race, a new ceiling has been established.  Surely, Nate McMillan feels vindicated in his lineup juggling thanks to this result.

At the same time, though, McMillan should feel satisfied that his current group, despite the injuries, is talented enough to win the Northwest Division.  He should put to rest the talk of needing "bodies" and realize he's got 11 talented, healthy bodies that just ran a solid Bulls team completely off the court. Unless someone else goes down, it's not about bodies for this group right now.  It's about effort and chemistry.

Random Game Notes

  • Brandon Roy, on which team he's pulling for in next week's Civil War: "The Beavers, because the Ducks hate the Huskies more."    
  • Last year I attended the epic Free Darko launch party in Seattle and missed Derrick Rose's first tour through Portland. Tonight was my first look at Rose in person. While he started slow and didn't play a perfect game, there isn't a player in the NBA that gets from the corner to the hoop as fast and from the ground to rim level as explosively as Derrick Rose.  One of those must-see-in-person-to-believe players.  Rose's pre-game workout routine was impressive, particularly on the second night of a back-to-back.  He shot for roughly 25 minutes, working on shots from every angle and taking probably 50 bank shots.  Quite interesting that there is a noticeable difference in his shooting percentages when he goes from uncontested to contested even during warm-ups, as he started missing regularly with a simple hand in his face from the coaching staff.  Obviously his form is far from ideal but he's a complete monster off the dribble.  Good lord. The budding Derrick Rose vs. John Wall decade-long smackdown is top five on my list of most anticipated things about the 2010-2020 era, edging out flying cars and liquid pizza.
  •  Derrick Rose's adidas sneakers are official.  I realize the angle and proximity of this camera phone picture reveal me to be roughly 2 feet behind him when I snapped it.  Look I didn't plan for that to happen, it just did, ok? I promise. Blazersedge commenter Courtside Errand Boy is my witness.
  • Joel Przybilla deserves a shoutout for not missing a shot (3-3 for 8 points) in 16 minutes. As Greg Oden becomes more dominant, Przybilla gets more invisible.  But he's still there, doing what he's been doing.
  • Look for more on Dante Cunningham's promotion to backup power forward tomorrow morning.

Nate's Post-Game Comments

Greg Oden?

I thought he was great. I thought he was really patient in the post. Did a nice job of taking his time, reading the defense. When the defense played him with single coverage he was able to score, with deep post position to start with. When they tried to double-team he did a good job of making good decisions out of the post. I thought he was really good. His pick and roll defense was really good on Rose, being up on those screens and forming that wall that we talked about. I thought our bigs, not just Greg, Greg, LaMarcus, the combination of Greg, LaMarcus and Brandon and Miller coming in and keeping that thing going. I just thought it was a solid game from start to finish with our guys. 

Killer instinct tonight?

I thought the rhythm was a good rhythm. They played off of each other. They took what the defense gave them. They made the defense pay. We went to different guys, different parts of the game and all of them were ready. It wasn't like they were standing or not in rhythm or not involved in the play. I thought they did a good job of playing off of each other. When you have those guys moving the ball like they did tonight, it's going to be hard to stop everything. We had the inside game going with LaMarcus and Greg. Brandon was on the perimeter, Andre did a good job of coming in and quarterbacking and being aggressive and getting guys involved and it was just I thought all night long offensively a good rhythm.

Does that reinforce your new lineup?

I hope so. They've got to make it work.  I feel that it can work if we take advantage of it but they have to make it work. Tonight we showed what we can do with that unit. Chicago has been playing really good defense lately. They've had a tough 3 game road trip but Noah and those guys they've been getting after teams. I thought tonight offensively we were just hitting on all cylinders.

Is that as hard as Andre has played?

I wouldn't say that. I thought he did a good job of directing and quarterbacking. Last game he did that and I thought again tonight where he got guys involved but he was able to stay aggressive and quarterback that offense and defense. Just be the playmaker with that second group. All the things I think he can do. We can take advantage of that. He reads what the defense is doing very well and he takes advantage of it. He gets the ball to those guys when they're open.

Oden's confidence rising?

Yeah, he's getting a better feel every night. Playing against different guys. He's seeing the different types of defense, where they're fronting him, double-teaming him on dribble, double-teaming him on catch, tonight he saw them come on baseline. Those are the type of reads he will have to play against. But he's really patient. So I don't think that will be a problem. Just knowing what to do once you see those coverages. He's taking his time getting to the rim and not just settling for the jump hook. He's getting deep position and getting even closer. He's doing a good job establishing deep position and being patient. 

Second Unit

I like what Miller has done with that group the last two games. We'll need him to do that not only initiate it and set people up but be aggressive.

Dante

We're going to need him. He's worked hard. Every time you put him on the floor he's learning. He's picking up some things and doing some things better. We'll go that way. He's playing aggressive. He's smart. He's played big time basketball before. Yes, I do have confidence in him being out there.

Were Dante's minutes upped just for this game for match-up reasons? 

Nah, I just like what I've been seeing. In practice, in games. Last game we gave him a few minutes he made some hustle players. Was doing some good things. With Outlaw being out, we're going to need both him and Howard to play that 4 position, that backup 4. And I wanted to give him some minutes off of what he did last game. After looking at him tonight, you put him out there again. But we will need both he and Howard. 

-- Ben Golliver | (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com) | Twitter

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Greg was awesome. What more is there to say?

Also, Rudy is back!

Bring the bling to Rip City, Natch'

Trade John Canzano!

by richardb on Nov 24, 2009 1:13 AM PST reply actions  

Thanks Ben. The team may be starting to really come together.

I thought it would take the first 20 games. What’s the best sign to me is how much they’re going to Oden and what an offensive force he’s becoming. Few predicted this.

He’s going to look like an awfully good option in close 4th quarters (now that Travis is gone). And at last the team is beginning to seem inclined to really pass the ball. Rudy helps here enormously.

ignacio

by ignacio on Nov 24, 2009 1:21 AM PST reply actions  

Minor correction
Rose’s pre-game workout routine was impressive, particularly on the second night of a back-to-back.

This wasn’t a back-to-back. Chicago last played Denver on Saturday. I don’t know when they got in, though.

by samuelleejackson on Nov 24, 2009 1:23 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

brandon wants the beavers to win

good man.

3rd down... chainsaw noise please.

by GoBlaze22 on Nov 24, 2009 1:23 AM PST reply actions  

being that he hates the ducks (he is a husky fan)

I am not surprised. Go beaves

bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)

by thomasikehara on Nov 24, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Oden had a good game, theres not doubt about it

But I feel a lot of you are jumping the gun. He’s bound to have some great games, but don’t expect this too often. It’s going to take another year or two before he’s this “offensive force” some of you are claiming him to be.

by ODEN on a stick on Nov 24, 2009 1:38 AM PST reply actions  

Maybe!!!!

I hope he keeps growing and never be satisfied; there is nothing wrong with enjoying what he brings now opposed to what he may or not bring later on. THE NOW IS ALL WE HAVE.

You be the doubting Thomas and I will be the happy Joe. in the end what is, is stil what is.

hg

by BBK on Nov 24, 2009 7:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Problem is

some guys who are now expecting Oden to do this every game will be disappointed and overly critical when it doesn’t happen. Positive attitude is good, but so is maintaining a sense of realism I think.

If this Blazer team doesn't light your fire, then your wood is wet!

by TwoDeep on Nov 24, 2009 7:35 AM PST up reply actions  

That is true.

Anybody that plays sports or watches sports should know that there is always THE GREAT, THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY.

I know Greg is not put on earth to live up to my expectations or anybody else’s therefore I just enjoy what is. Heck I don’t think he will ever live up to his own, but that is good, it keeps him hungry.

hg

by BBK on Nov 24, 2009 7:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Young players are inconsistent.....

…..it just comes with the territory.

It is especially true of “one and done” guys like GO and JBay. Equally true of a young guy coming back from a long lay-off like Martell.

Patience always seems to be in short supply around here.

by upper left corner on Nov 24, 2009 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Welcome to the internet.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Nov 24, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

"Let the bodies hit the floor"

Decent song, (drowning pool BTW) but seriously, i DO think McMillan need to worry about how deep his team is Ben. think about it: were aren’t even 20 games into the season and we have had the injury bug already. now i am not saying its like H1N1 super injury bug, but this IS an 82 + game season (emphasizing the plus), and there will be unhealthy hiccups along the way. we have to be ready to try all possible options. I believe that is the negative dark horse this year. “can we stay healthy?” i believe all this talk about Blake and miller and Roy is superfluous compared to the reality of getting banged up. Roy even said earlier this week that its really really hard to stay healthy AND play 82+ games for just ONE year. the juries back, and they say holly cow! the backbone and leader of our team just said that. i believe its a WAY bigger reality than Zion.

by Synthanity on Nov 24, 2009 3:10 AM PST reply actions  

NATE!!!

“we’re going to need both him and Howard to play that 4 position, that backup 4.”

Dude, you mean WHITE UNIT 4, not “backup.”
C’mon.
We all drank the kool-aid, not don’t harsh our trip.

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by Y5k on Nov 24, 2009 3:58 AM PST reply actions  

That's the way I envisioned it (and posted here the day he was signed), Miller coming off the bench

to run, score aggressively, and set up Rudy and the 2nd wave of the rotation. Because Blake can’t do that anywhere near as well as Miller, but Blake’s outside shooting can spread the floor to help Brandon, Oden, and LMA get going with the starters. Oden and LMA will still play plenty of minutes with Miller in that rotation. As Brandon and Miller play together more (they should still get at least 15 minutes together), and Nate gradually adds some new plays to make that combination work even better, they should eventually become effective at finishing out close games and Miller will end up playing more minutes than Blake. If Miller can embrace that role we can develop a devastating 1-2 punch rotation. There’s even a little similarity to the 1-2 punch of the Hollins, Twardzik, Davis backcourts of the great Walton/Lucus 77-78 Blazers.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 24, 2009 4:42 AM PST reply actions  

I don't always agree with you, but this is good stuff.

Rec.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Nov 24, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Rec - you nailed it.

very well written post.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Nov 24, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm in the same boat as staylost...

While we have disagreed in the past this is well done and I agree with (most of) it.

REC…and…

GO BLAZERS!!!

by Ilikeemall on Nov 24, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Mostly agree.

1) Agreed. I had Blake starting but only getting 18 minutes in my July 24 comment. I don’t see Roy getting any PG minutes now (in a Roy/Rudy 2-guard lineup), so Miller 30 minutes, Blake 18 minutes are good targets most nights.

2) Agreed. Miller will handle the ball sometimes and Roy other times when they play together. It gives our offense more variety and different looks to defend. Roy comes off screens and shoots just fine now (several times last night in fact). But you don’t want to make that your steady diet or he will become easy to defend and take out of the game. When Roy has the ball and initiates plays he draws many more fouls, gets a lot of free throws, and makes many more assists (currently 5.0 assists per game, same as Miller).

They will fit together even better when Nate changes plays to make the SF (Rudy or Martell) rather than the PG (Miller) the option in the strong side corner when Roy’s handling the ball. The PG (Miller) needs to be in position to receive the ball from Roy and drive or create when the defense tries to trap Roy. We should be reacting quickly and killing the traps on Roy at the 3-pt line with 10 seconds left on the shot clock. Who wouldn’t want to go 4-on-3 in the half court with Miller handling the ball? It just a matter of maximally utilizing Miller’s skills and minimizing his one big weakness (outside shooting) when Roy is handling the ball. We will have plenty of time over the course of the season to work this out.

3) Agreed. My July 24 comment about Miller joining the Blazers.

Our back court combinations:
1. Blake and Roy
2. Miller and Rudy
3. Miller, Rudy, and Roy
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jul 24, 2009 12:19 PM PDT

Miller, Rudy and Roy should be the predominant 3-guard combination.

4) I’m still neutral on Bayless. He hasn’t proven anything to me, but I see the potential. He can drive and his shooting looks better, but I still don’t think he can create effectively and still shows poor decision making (some of it is probably just over-eagerness to earn minutes). His defense remains potential. It looks like he should be a good defender, but it just doesn’t seem to happen (again maybe it is mostly over-eagerness to earn minutes). If Miller embraces his role, I don’t see many high-quality minutes for Bayless. If Bayless wants to remain a Blazer (he may not at this point) he should be praying that Webster plays well between now and February.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 24, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he meant Jesus Martinez

owns a taco stand down the street

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Nov 24, 2009 7:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Or Jesus Quintana

"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave

by DonkeyShins on Nov 24, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Does he have a single line that I can quote on this site without getting banned?

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

by BlazersOrBust on Nov 24, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

*licks bowling ball*

Joel Robinson: "What about you Crow? What do you want for Christmas?"
Crow T. Robot: "I want the power to decide who lives and who dies."

Also, COMCAST SUCKS!!!

by randommanthefirst on Nov 24, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Couldn't disagree more

Really, yes.

"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener

by Berkeley on Nov 24, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

it certainly appears to be inconsistent.

I don’t really care either way – I don’t care if swearing is used either. But on the other hand, I’m glad it’s not allowed just so I don’t have to filter through severe overuse of swear words as adjectives in every other comment.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Nov 24, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the point of Ben's wording was to express some degree of shock at the naked violence of that incident, regardless of the fact that it was certainly unintended.

It’s hard to do that without amping up the language somewhat, and as you admit, options are constrained on this site.

I can see where the use of the name “Jesus” in this context is offensive to some. Yet, I personally know many Christians who would not be upset.

And, consider the whole notion of “blasphemy”. It seems to me that to even recognize it as a form of effrontery, one first of all has to accord religion in general, or at least some particular religion, an exalted status.

If I am an atheist, what sorts of remarks can I legitimately complain about? And why should someone else be able to limit my discourse because of things they believe but cannot prove?

If I were in Ben’s shoes, I would have said things differently because (a) I’m probably not courageous enough to brave the wrath of the Edge, and (b) of course, I can’t possibly match his basketball acumen or snappy prose style. But I support his right to emphatically express himself within the gray lines that govern our interactions.

by CatMan2 on Nov 24, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Since this post

the issue has been resolved. Thank Ben.

Maybe basketball just isn't your game. I know, let's have a spelling contest.

by Sea Bass on Nov 24, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Did I hear a click?

Like the sound of all the pieces falling into place?

This is the way the team was designed to work – got the bigs that can dominate the middle, perimeter players who can hit the open shots when the defense tries to pack the middle to stop those big guys, great ball handlers to feed the post. Then you throw in some penetration just when the defense thinks they’ve got you figured out.

Just got to be persistent about working the ball inside – when you’ve got Greg Oden in there, get him the ball! You may not always be able to, but keep going back to that – don’t fall back into old habits and become a jump-shooting team. Might be a pretty good jump-shooting team, but you won’t win a championship that way. Keep playing this style, and you’ve got a contender!

by greenknight on Nov 24, 2009 4:51 AM PST reply actions  

The click happens

when we win in Cleveland on Fri Dec 11, and when we beat the Lxkers at home on Fri Jan 8. – Elgin

Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers

by 22baylor on Nov 24, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

It was nice to see LA hit that 3

Now, if only Oden could step out and hit the open 3, this team would be really good.

by tominhawaii on Nov 24, 2009 5:05 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Really?
But ask yourself this: Does Miller score the same 16 points if he plays all his minutes alongside Brandon Roy? Probably not. Does Brandon Roy score 18 points if he plays all of his minutes alongside Andre Miller? Do these two players, the team’s two best play-makers, combine for 12 assists if their minutes overlapped more? Are both Aldridge and Oden able to get going if Roy and Miller are both in the game simultaneously, if Blake isn’t there to keep the defense a little bit more honest?

Roy and Miller played 20 minutes together. To put that in perspective, Miller only played seven minutes without Roy on the floor (and even with a flat game, Blake still managed to play more minutes than Miller).

During those 20 minutes Roy and Miller played together, Blazers were +19. That’s the game margin.

I think the only thing the game proves is that our best back court option is the one that everyone thinks doesn’t work. And proof yet again about the “second unit” myth that perpetuates posters on BE: There is no second “unit” (our team rarely plays without two starters in the game) and our team performs better when (surprise) our best position players are on the floor.

by thelance on Nov 24, 2009 5:45 AM PST reply actions  

I can't argue your point.

The big thing to me was that BRoy was back playing the two where he is more efficient and Andre can get the other half of the fist unit going better. Do you think Steve would have gotten four passes to Joel for uncontested dunks? How about Rudy? Dante? who needs Andre to get him developed.

It is more to the fact that all the perimeter players were uniting to get the ball to the interior instead of creating and being the stars. Anyway that is the way I see it.

hg

by BBK on Nov 24, 2009 7:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Dre's value

to the younguns cannot be underestimated.Also,to the bigs.He’s doing what I thought he would.Make people better

by DowntownVinnie on Nov 24, 2009 7:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Thats funny

I just thought about writing that.Get outta my head, huh.It’s crowded in there.

by DowntownVinnie on Nov 24, 2009 7:44 AM PST up reply actions  

That is my favorite press conference blowup

along with the Mora “Playoffs!?!?”

RUDY > MJ

by Rudiculous on Nov 24, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Damn chemistry, anyways

I just wish Broy and Dre could play better together.Unfortunately they are both playmakers.

by DowntownVinnie on Nov 24, 2009 7:46 AM PST up reply actions  

It is not that they can't play together

They can help the team be better playing apart. We need Andre helping getting the bigs involved including Joel, pumping life into the second unit and being the floor general. Rudy needs Andre, Andre needs Rudy.

All 11 players can’t be on the floor at the same time. So maybe it is like the “thelance” said we are just one big unit.

I think it is more of the fact that Steve can’t come in off the bench and be as effective as Dre. Or maybe someday we will see that Andre at point and BRoy at the 2 would work nicely compared to BRoy being at the 3. At times it is that way already.

Our big problem is filling the void at the three because of that worthless player called “Travis” getting injured. I think Dante can fill part of that spot when Martell is off better then BRoy.

hg

by BBK on Nov 24, 2009 8:00 AM PST up reply actions  

dantes inferno

DC had a great eve. 1block 1 steal 3 rebs, 4points on 2-3 shooting and defended like a man.

by DowntownVinnie on Nov 24, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I recommend checkintg out the gameflow

here to see just how stark an effect Miller had on the game, particularly in the third quarter when the Bulls were making a run and Miller came in and pretty much immediately extinguished it.

I can understand him playing a role like Ginobili or Terry off the bench and bridging some of the scoring deficit without all our starters on the floor, but he definitely should be on the court for important stretches of the game. I’d imagine that he probably would have seen more minutes than Blake if Martell hadn’t have been so all over the place tonight since a decent number of Blake’s minutes came playing off guard next to Miller (~10 minutes), so Miller saw more time at the point anyways.

by Royster on Nov 24, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Mondays top 5

If you check out nba.com’s top 5 plays from yesterday you will realize just how badly somee people want to keep Oden down.

by JudgeDridge on Nov 24, 2009 6:00 AM PST reply actions  

Does Brandon Roy not get that the most passionate fans are Ducks fans? Why root for the Beavers because they are weak fans?

Broy needs to understand the Rose Garden’s loudest fans who fire him up for the game are probably U of O fans.

by BRoyInThe4th on Nov 24, 2009 6:36 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

uh hes a husky fan

ergo he hates the ducks

bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)

by thomasikehara on Nov 24, 2009 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

and didn't know the Beavers existed til he moved to Oregon

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Nov 24, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

It’s not like the Huskies or Beavers play each other ever.

That would be ridiculous.

Joel Robinson: "What about you Crow? What do you want for Christmas?"
Crow T. Robot: "I want the power to decide who lives and who dies."

Also, COMCAST SUCKS!!!

by randommanthefirst on Nov 24, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

my comment=hyperbole

for humorous purposes

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Nov 24, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I know

I was being facetious.

Joel Robinson: "What about you Crow? What do you want for Christmas?"
Crow T. Robot: "I want the power to decide who lives and who dies."

Also, COMCAST SUCKS!!!

by randommanthefirst on Nov 24, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

My facetiousness was sublime ...and came first

so I WIN!!!

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Nov 24, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Joel Robinson: "What about you Crow? What do you want for Christmas?"
Crow T. Robot: "I want the power to decide who lives and who dies."

Also, COMCAST SUCKS!!!

by randommanthefirst on Nov 24, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Lol...well played sir

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Nov 24, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Please define passion.

Irrational hubris isn’t the mark of passion. Nor is vitriolic hating of one’s opponent. Cheering for a team through 20+ years of losing seasons, simply because they’re you’re team, is passion. Passionate fans support their teams through thick and thin. No team’s fan base waxes and wains more than the Ducks’. The Ducks do a great job of marketing themselves to superficial followers who enjoy a good fad.

Now, I agree, the Ducks have some great fans (and you may be one of them). But they also have a lot of superficial fans. It’s hard to separate the wheat from the chaff when they’re winning.

by DC Blazer on Nov 24, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

While this may be true

It sure as hell seems like a lot of Beavers fans have come out of the woodwork in the past ten years, don’t you think? I’m not sure the Ducks have the market cornered on fairweather fans.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

by BlazersOrBust on Nov 24, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Sure, that's true of all teams

But Oregon does a really good job of marketing itself. I just think that produces a lot of faux passion.

And fairweather fans really have a tough time in Oregon. Too many showers to rain on their parades =p

by DC Blazer on Nov 24, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha!

Unlike a lot of Ducks fans (probably because I didn’t actually attend the U of O) I really respect Oregon State as a program and want them to win every game that they don’t play against Oregon. In fact, if all you told me was that one is a blue-collar program that’s built its success on recruiting under-the-radar guys and the other slingshotted to national prominence riding a rocket ship built by its booster’s limitless pockets I’d be a fan of the former 11 times out of 10. It’s just that I started liking the Ducks as a really little kid and that’s the way it is.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

by BlazersOrBust on Nov 24, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I think by passionate you mean too drunk to stand up.

by shteveo on Nov 24, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT ABOUT US!!

WE’RE NOT TOO… TOO…

Wait, what was I saying?

Joel Robinson: "What about you Crow? What do you want for Christmas?"
Crow T. Robot: "I want the power to decide who lives and who dies."

Also, COMCAST SUCKS!!!

by randommanthefirst on Nov 24, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah The Blazers.......

A worthy foe. Can’t wait to see Bynum/Gasol vs Oden/Aldridge. Plus Artest/Roy (remember when Artest claimed that Roy was the toughest person to guard in the association?) I wish I can say Odom vs Outlaw, but I don’t know if he’s healthy. Maybe Batum? Then Brown/Fernandez and Farmar/Blake and Fisher/Miller.

Should be an exciting 3 or 4 games.

Well let me welcome everybody to the wild wild west. A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness.

by pharoah on Nov 24, 2009 6:36 AM PST reply actions  

Not toughest person to guard.

“Best player I’ve ever played against.”

That is hard to misinterpret (and makes me glad you don’t have Battier).

But other than that nitpicking, I’m looking forward to it too.

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by staylost on Nov 24, 2009 7:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like when you tell your girlfriend you love her.

And then later she breaks up with you.

And you tell everyone that you just meant she was hot, because her personality is suspect at best.

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by staylost on Nov 24, 2009 7:58 AM PST up reply actions  

The Inferno got unleashed


Copyright 2009 NBAE (Photo by Sam Forencich/NBAE via Getty Images)

Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam

by Norsktroll on Nov 24, 2009 6:45 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Greg smash


Copyright 2009 NBAE (Photo by Sam Forencich/NBAE via Getty Images)

Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam

by Norsktroll on Nov 24, 2009 6:47 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

He is making a face like the caveman from those commercials

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

by BlazersOrBust on Nov 24, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Very nice game

I want to see Oden get 30. Just for all those idiots (like me) who claimed he couldn’t score.

Well done Blazers, well done.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Nov 24, 2009 6:51 AM PST reply actions  

You're no idiot.

I know idiocy and you aren’t it.

You’re just positive thoughts handicapped. But I see you are working on it.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Nov 24, 2009 7:20 AM PST up reply actions  

On the other hand I still don't like Brandon's body language all that much

I don’t really see a guy leading his team as much as I see a guy trying to get his. And the constant complaining about non-calls is already wearing thin.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Nov 24, 2009 7:42 AM PST up reply actions  

"constant complaining about non-calls"

I REALLY agree.

It looks like he drives for the foul, not for the shot.

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by staylost on Nov 24, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, he went from never doing it, to doing it EVERY time.

there’s a happy medium somewhere, let’s hope he finds it.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Nov 24, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I was pondering this...

I don’t ever see Oden having a 40+ point game. We just don’t give him the ball for that to happen.

"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST

by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 24, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't see it either

But mostly because we only score 90ish a game. 40 points is a lot if we only score 85. When we score 100+, we’re usually blowing somebody out, and then you wouldn’t expect the starters to play that much.

by samuelleejackson on Nov 24, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point.

"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST

by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 25, 2009 5:42 AM PST up reply actions  

He will someday

Most didn’t see Roy ever scoring 50+ before last season too.

M—

by Mortimer on Nov 24, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah...

Thanks Suns! If Greg ever goes off like that, my bet is against the Warriors.

"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST

by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 25, 2009 5:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Yea and behold ... a revelation has come unto Ben.

He has seen the light. A choir of angels has spoken, telling him that yes, Coach knows what he is doing. Now all we need is a bush to remind us just how young our guys are and how they are still learning to play, both the game and with one another.

Didn’t Mike Barrett say last night that Portland has the most players 25 and under in the league?

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Nov 24, 2009 7:25 AM PST reply actions  

LOL

Greg “Giggles” Oden. Love it.

Didn’t see the game, again…sigh…but I hear Oden handled Noah really well. Way to get some revenge from the 07 NCAA title game, Greg!

Noah can suck it. Douche.

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!

by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Nov 24, 2009 7:41 AM PST reply actions  

Oden won that match, but Noah looked pretty good, too.

Looks to me like the kid spent the whole summer in the weight room. He’s developing into a very special player, imo.

Nate is a good man, but unfortunately, not the right coach for this team.

by RenoBlazerFan on Nov 24, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn’t mean he’s not a douche anymore…

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!

by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Nov 24, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Suck it, that it?

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by staylost on Nov 24, 2009 8:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah,yeah

definitely sucked it yeah definitely,Definitely Wapner,judge Wapner definitely

by DowntownVinnie on Nov 24, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Not ready to call this team as fully fitting together

Because we kicked the crap out of the Bulls last year too. That being said, if we win the last two of this homestand (as we should) and take out Utah on the road Saturday, I’ll be ready to say we’ve got it going on.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Nov 24, 2009 8:07 AM PST reply actions  

I think we all agree that winning the straight rest of this week, with Utah being the final test:

That will tell us this team is really back.

But we shouldn’t underestimate this game. The Bulls aren’t a great team, but last night they played like one.

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by staylost on Nov 24, 2009 8:12 AM PST up reply actions  

They really exploited our porous perimiter defense, that was a smart move.

Lock that down and this game would have been annihilation.

#88 > #23 > #25

Updated for latest line-up:

#5 > #2

by The Pirate on Nov 24, 2009 8:16 AM PST up reply actions  

What's Nate Smoking?

Nate on Dante

“With Outlaw being out, we’re going to need both him and Howard to play that 4 position, that backup 4.”

Why is he so worried about including Howard in this backup position? Howard has proven to be just a warm body. He’s a nice guy but probably more valuable sitting on the bench giving advice. Nate, STOP trying to be so PC and just give the playing time to those that deserve it!

by Flapbreaker on Nov 24, 2009 8:20 AM PST reply actions  

Cause he's gonna play both guys (situationally)

He is preparing everyone for this ….because it is true

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Nov 24, 2009 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

May I ask...

What harm it does for him to say that? I’m not being a wise guy I really want to know. Do you think it hurts Dante’s confidence and that he should feel he deserves to be the only back up 4? Is it a negative for Juwan to hear that and feel that he’s part of the team and needs to stay ready to contribute? Again I just want to know your rationale for posting this… In my opinion the “What’s Nate Smoking?” headline was a little over the top… but to each his own.

Dante looked good last night but remember he’s a rookie and slightly undersized for a 4. I don’t really see him being our only option at the back up PF. There will be nights and match ups that call for a few minutes from Howard.

by Ilikeemall on Nov 24, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

rec

especially when there is foul trouble – and we know that will happen.

Glad to see Dante step up and play a great game. I hope he continues in the same vein, in the same arm. – Elgin

Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers

by 22baylor on Nov 24, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Fun

Finally got to enjoy a Blazers game last night, not cringe through and ugly-fest like the past few games. Can’t say enough about Oden, he’s really raising his game.

Does anyone else think the offense runs more smoothly minus Outlaw? I do.

by WakeUpOden on Nov 24, 2009 8:38 AM PST reply actions  

Nope

The offense doesn’t run more smoothly minus Outlaw. Have you watched any of the games he has missed before tonight? Good grief, get off Outlaw’s back. He’s a very, very valuable guy to this team, and the injuries to him and Batum probably cost the Blazers one or two positions in the West this year.

by travis13 on Nov 24, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

The offense has run smoothly for only one game since Outlaw has been out.

That being said, the team as a whole is taking fewer pull up jumpers while guarded (this seems to be what is done when our offense does poorly).

Travis, Brandon, and Andre are the guys who do the bulk of that.

Last night Andre & Brandon didn’t do it as much, while Outlaw being out certainly prevents him from doing that.

Either way, that is just my opinion.

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by staylost on Nov 24, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

No, Outlaw does not impact smooth offense.

The guards drive the offensive flow. If anything, Outlaw helps out a broken down offensive set by being able to manufacture a crazy shot out of nothing, and having the huevos to hoist it up with the clock expiring.

Nate is a good man, but unfortunately, not the right coach for this team.

by RenoBlazerFan on Nov 24, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Amazing game last night

But I was wondering what everyone’s thoughts are on the 1st team and 2nd team philosophy. I don’t really get it. Why not just play your best 7 or 8 players and substitute as necessary? I don’t think we should ever have Roy, Aldridge, and Oden on the bench at the same time.

"The two things you've got to do to give yourself a chance to win games. One, you've got to shoot the ball. Second thing, we've got to play defense."
- Nate McMillan

by ericking on Nov 24, 2009 8:52 AM PST reply actions  

Free Darko launch party?

Really, you were at a Free Darko launch party? You mean a launch party for that ho-hum, often lame blog?

Hey, I’ve got a blogspot site, and I’ll start another one and write exclusively about the NBA if you’ll come to my launch party, Ben. It’ll probably just be you, my girlfriend, our cat, and the neighbor, if he’s sober enough to stumble over.

by travis13 on Nov 24, 2009 9:03 AM PST reply actions  

? at your ?

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by staylost on Nov 24, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Free Darko is pretty big and respected...

Just an odd comment, I thought :-) smile.

Morty

by Mortimer on Nov 24, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

But was it big and respected at its launch?

Ben goes to small time nerdy blog launches!!!! HA HA BEN!

;) wink w\ no nose.

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by staylost on Nov 24, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh, that wasn't it's LAUNCH launch

I am sure it didn’t have a launch back when it started, like 4 years ago or so.

It was for their book, I believe. They’ve been around a while.

Morty Pie, obviously sensitive for some reason about a site he has nothing to do with and hasn’t even gone to for a few months now that he thinks about it.

by Mortimer on Nov 24, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I don't really know anything about Free Darko other than they do stat stuff.

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by staylost on Nov 24, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Their website

Was very devoid of stats, and more focused on style over substance, high potential, players with crazy bodies and abilities and their struggle to be able to showcase it (Anthony Randolph is a Free Darko type).

I hadn’t read the book, which was much more nerdy and stat based from what I read.

The blog was lengthy, literate essays on basketball, potential, and the meaning of life.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Nov 24, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

The book was only "stat-based"

If you count made up concepts like how long the building of the pyramids would have taken if the work had been entirely done by a whole bunch of Leandro Barbosas.

The book is just like the blog, except more focused, edited, and accompanied by AMAZING illustrations. I highly recommend it.

by samuelleejackson on Nov 24, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait, that's not a real stat?

These advanced statistics are all just so confusing.

by Royster on Nov 24, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I hated the book

To me it was like those stay off drugs skits that you would see in an assembly on The Simpson’s or South Park, only they were trying to get you interested in stats. The illustrations were cool. I might just be too old for it, because I didn’t get it at all.

by tominhawaii on Nov 24, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Your best signature line in some time.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

by BlazersOrBust on Nov 24, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

The evolution continues...

Last night was a very satisfying look at what the Blazers can… and I think will…be.

Nate showed some real flexibiltiy with substitution patterns which is something most of us considered a weakness with him. We saw line ups we’ve never seen before (i.e. Bayless as part of the 3 guard line up and LMA and Dante as the 4 and 5)… and they all did good things.

I saw no signs of Brandon being disengaged or moping while he and Andre were on the floor together. They seemed to communicate well and look for each other.

Both (actually all 3) PG’s did what they are suppose to do and nobody seemed hurt by their role. Steve Blake made some great interior passes and a nice lob while Andre showed why we got him by playing a very heady, veteran game on both ends and Bayless was Bayless while playing some pretty straight up defense.

This game doesn’t mean we have arrived… But I think it means we’re on the way.

GO BLAZERS!!!

by Ilikeemall on Nov 24, 2009 9:28 AM PST reply actions  

Andre Miller's biggest contribution summed up succinctly
Oden said it was Miller who planted a seed in his mind to attack.

“He’s a big breath of fresh air for me,” Oden said. “When he comes into the game, he’s like, ‘G.O., we are going to run a play for you so you can try to get the other big man in foul trouble.’ That definitely puts a big smile on my face. I turned my head and had a big smile.”

While I’d like to see Dre start, it’s even more important that he closes/gets significant time with Greg on the floor. The Greg Oden we saw last night is the type of player that can be the foundation of a championship team. I was glad to see Roy and Dre play well together, that to was a big step in the right direction.

November 23, 2009: In a shocker, KP once again proves smarter than this DeJuan Blair fanboy because the Inferno is a ballplayer who fits with our post focused centers perfectly.

by blazeraddict on Nov 24, 2009 9:35 AM PST reply actions  

I think the new rotation of bringing Greg back at the 10 minute mark in the 2nd quarter

is a great move by Nate. This gives him run as the #1 halfcourt with two willing and able passers in the game – Miller and Rudy, both of whom will also cut to the basket when Oden is doubled, and he’s shown ability to find them.

I had been calling for LMA to anchor the “2nd unit” in the early-mid 2nd and 4th quarters, but I have to say I think Oden in that role might be a better move. I’ve been harsh on Nate lately, but I really liked his rotation and lineups last night, and assuming that’s his continued plan, I have to give him credit.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Nov 24, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

And I’m starting to come around to “Andre Miller = Manu Ginobili” for this year’s Blazers. Like you said, the current rotation gives GO a chance to be the focal point of the offense with the 2nd group guards (Miller and Rudy), which will really help him develop, as those are the two best post feeders/overall guards in terms of using a big man on this team. The real test for me is who finishes – Miller or Blake (Rudy is in the running as well if Roy has the point in the end, but against quick PGs who can apply good on ball pressure, I don’t know if either has the requisite handle). Unless Blake is on fire from 3, it should be Dre.

November 23, 2009: In a shocker, KP once again proves smarter than this DeJuan Blair fanboy because the Inferno is a ballplayer who fits with our post focused centers perfectly.

by blazeraddict on Nov 24, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

this is exactly right:
Unless Blake is on fire from 3, it should be Dre

I said this in the gameday thread or post game or somewhere – Basically, give Blake the first 6 minutes of each half, Miller the next 8, then finish each half with whichever one seems to have it going.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Nov 24, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd also tweak the rotation a bit to bring Greg in at the beginning of second quarter

Get him an extended run with Dre and Rudy, and bring Joel back in when Greg is on his second/third foul or around the 4 minute mark.

by xedubx on Nov 24, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we have been doing this

we say this last night and maybe on Saturday as well. I like it alot

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Nov 24, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

point guard

Here’s how I see the PG situation:

People talk about how Roy and Miller are both generals.

But it occurred to me that the problem is not having two generals on the court at the same time. As yesterday’s game showed, there is no problem with Roy and Miller both being on the court. Miller adjusts to a different role when Roy is on the court.

The problem is you always want to have at least one general on the court.

If Blake is backup PG then he will play a lot of minutes with Rudy as the other guard. That leaves you with neither of your generals on the court.

So Blake needs to start so he will be on the court along with one of the generals.

What other alternative would there be that would guarantee that there is a general on the court when Blake is playing:

Well, you could make Rudy a starter. But then you have both your shooting guards on the starting unit and both point guards as backups.

So anyway, when you try to piece together this puzzle, you wind up finding that the only way the pieces fit is for Blake to start.

by lsjogren on Nov 24, 2009 9:46 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

Good insight (although I think Blake is at least a Colonel if not a Brigadier General – ’Dre on the other hand is probably a 4-star General at this point in his career).

"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave

by DonkeyShins on Nov 24, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

bottom line

The bottom line is that it appears that it makes total sense for Blake to be starter for strategic reasons, even though he’s not one of your top 5 players.

But that shouldn’t be too hard a concept to grasp, after all Batum was not one of the top 5 players yet he was a starter last year.

The reason for putting a lesser player in the starting lineup is different in the two cases, but they share in common the concept that it is not necessarily the best thing strategically to make your best 5 players the starting unit.

On the other hand, you don’t want to do that just to be ornery. For example although one has to say that at his current level of development Batum is lower in the hierarchy than Outlaw or Fernandez, I think it is quite likely that he will be ahead of Outlaw within a year or two and I wouldn’t be surprised if he at least reaches parity with Fernandez in that timeframe.

And if he is the starter at the 3 when that happens I would definitely not yank him out of the starting lineup simply because he evolved into one of the best 5 players on the team.

by lsjogren on Nov 24, 2009 9:54 AM PST reply actions  

Regarding some comments that Roy may be playing selfishly: With Oden and Aldridge playing great on the offensive end, Roy took a lower profile in yesterday’s game.

It looks to me like he is handling things just the way he should: When other players are on their game, let them run. In games where the other players are sputtering on the offensive end, go in there and make some all-star plays that keep the team in the game.

by lsjogren on Nov 24, 2009 10:07 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

“What harm it does for him to say that? I’m not being a wise guy I really want to know.”

I would put it a little stronger: It would be idiotic for Nate not to mention both Howard and Cunningham as alternatives for backup PF.

He has mostly used Howard in that role this year. Howard has played marginally, but if there’s anything we Blazer fans should be getting into our skulls is that we should stop calling for the Guillioutine (sp!) every time a player gets 5 minutes of playing time and doesn’t give an all-star performance.

Furthermore, Howard may be one of those players who plays a lot less well if he’s only put in for a few minutes. If the Blazers ever need to put him in for extended minutes it will give a more fair basis to judge him.

Of course, with the position Howard has on the roster, what you would hope for him is that he is a guy who you can throw in for a few minute stretch and get super play out of him. He is probably not such a player. But I think most NBA players aren’t very good at doing that.

We are lucky to have someone like Joel that excels at that.

by lsjogren on Nov 24, 2009 10:17 AM PST reply actions  

some minutes & +/- analysis for last night's game:

Roy / Blake: 16:55 30-40 (meaning Blazers scored 30 and gave up 40 during this period)
Roy / Miller: 13:10 36-25
Roy / Miller / Blake: 6:18 23-14

If just focusing around Roy -

Roy with Blake: 23:13 53-54
Roy with Miller: 19:29 59-39

total playing time -

Roy: 36:23
Blake: 28:36 (81.1% of his time were with Roy)
Miller: 26:52 (72.4% of his time were with Roy)

by iverigma2 on Nov 24, 2009 11:37 AM PST reply actions  

one more - Roy / Miller / Fernandez combination

Roy / Miller / Fernandez combination got 10:05 last night, had an impressive 29-18 edge

by iverigma2 on Nov 24, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm struggling to understand why we would ever want Blake on the floor WITHOUT Roy

I mean, if he’s starting, and Miller’s running the 2nd unit – in what scenario would you either
A) take Roy out before Blake in the 1st or 3rd quarter
OR
B) Bring Blake back in before Roy in the 2nd/4th quarter.

If Roy’s out of the game, and Blake is in, then either
A) we are playing Blake and Miller together, which is insane to me given the other (better) options we have at the 2-guard
B) Blake is playing the PG with Rudy, which I see as a completely inferior lineup to the Miller/Rudy one.

Anyone got a reasonable explanation on this one?

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Nov 24, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that seems to be the crux of it

it’s not that Miller and Roy can’t work, it’s the Blake is more or less completely ineffective without being able to play alongside Roy. I get the feeling that if we had a little bit more of a dynamic backup SG who could really get to the rim (sorry Rudy, you’ve got a lot of strengths, but this isn’t one of them), then Blake could probably do okay on that unit, like Vaughn has done in SA previously or Carter did in Denver last year.

With a guy who’s really adept at playing off the ball like Rudy being our primary option in the second unit, I think it becomes more important to have a PG comfortable handling the ball and throwing some risky passes out there. to try and get some easy buckets. For all his faults, Sergio fit that unit pretty well offensively, and Miller’s just ten times better than him, in addition to being a guy that can play effectively with guys in the first unit.

by Royster on Nov 24, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Twin Towers

At this point in the season we’ve seen a few things: Howard can’t play except in spot minutes. Oden is getting better at staying out of foul trouble. Pryz still deserves a lot of minutes. LA has picked up a nack for getting early fouls. Dante may be a back-up 4 but he’s not ready for 20-25 minutes yet.

So…. If LA gets in early foul trouble, will we see more twin towers soon? The only time I see it not working at all is if either center is in foul trouble or if the other team’s PF has 20ft+ range.

by ericande on Nov 24, 2009 11:41 AM PST reply actions  

Anybody know who shot the freethrow for when Noah got the tech?

"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST

by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 24, 2009 12:23 PM PST reply actions  

actually that one was Blake (again Clank)

Rudy did clank a defensive 3 second technical earlier in the game though.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Nov 24, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

They didn't show it on comcast

but we had the same score when Oden went to the line.

"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST

by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 24, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Additional observations from the game.........

-The Blazers and Bulls warm-up tops and pants are identical. It’s true check it out! They must be the only two teams in the NBA that share this distinction.
-The Oden! Oden! Oden! Chant should have gone on longer. He was just beastly, truly a monster.
-The Garden was packed last night, hardly and empty seat in the house.
-It was great to see Paul Allen having such a great time. Good medicine indeed……

2-4 the who

by 24thewho on Nov 24, 2009 12:29 PM PST reply actions  

Dante BB IQ is very highh

And so is skill set. While like so many I have always been a fan of Trout’, Travis going down may prove to be a blessing in disguise.

If you only watch Dante when he is on the floor you will notice immediately that he moves with purpose. He always thinks one step ahead, probably more. Because of this he is always in the right place to make a play. Especially on the defensive end right now. Watching him in the summer league this trait jumped out at you.

Paul Allen’s deep pockets will tighten up after paying the big 3. This will require that KP keeps bringing in talent to replace talent which will be looking for their own best money opportunity and contract. Dante’ looks like he will be example 1A of just how it can be done via the draft, (with a second round pick mind you!).

KP gets all the credit here.

The Oden Era, Day 885

by Heymoe on Nov 24, 2009 12:53 PM PST reply actions  

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