What a difference a year makes. Warning: contains no Blake, Roy, McMillan insults
by wannabe1 on Nov 23, 2009 1:58 PM PST
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PrintI started reading BE last year because I couldn't get enough Blazers talk. I'd Tivo 'em and watch the game again (or at least the good parts) multiple times whenever I could. It was always great for homers like me to read about our team and how we were trying to grow. I was faithful to Blazers Edge. Daily, twice a day, three times, four, sometimes even more. No matter what we had to say about our players, we always seemed to want them to do well (even Sergio and Channing). Good thing. They were classy guys. And when there were complaints about them, they were limited to an occasional or even regular postings, but they were never tiresome or hateful or personal in any way.
Until now. Now, no matter what the title of the post, it seems to always deteriorate into complaining, no, worse, whining. And always the same few topics. 1) Why is Steve Blake starting? 2) Why is Nate always out-coached and doesn't he know how to coach a) big men, b) the clock, c) a running team? 3) Why doesn't Brandon Roy accept that Andre Miller is what the team needs to win a championship? 4) Brandon is spoiled.
If I read one more time that Blake is Nate's girlfriend or he's paying the Sonics back for Gary Payton or "I'm really starting to hate Blake" or the only answer is to trade Blake or Brandon Roy is selfish because he won't adjust to not being the playmaker or McMillan is ruining Greg Oden (breathe) when I'm just hoping to follow posts about the previous game or the upcoming game, I'm going to be sick. Does it really have to get personal? These guys, every one of them, is a classy guy too. You talk about them like they're the Jail Blazers.
And before you chastise me because you're entitled to your opinion (which you so sanctimoniously believe is ALWAYS right) and I should just go away, I know you're entitled. I just don't want to read it over and over. And over. And over. Regardless of what the posting is about.
You've (and you know who you are) sure taken the fun out of it for me.
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Well, Provide some answers please...
1. Why is Blake starting?
2. Why is Nate not in perfect harmony with the wishes of Blazer fans?
3. Why can’t Brandon see that Miller is better than Blake?
If you can solve these riddles, we would not have to discuss them on Bedge…
Well...
1) He meshes better with Brandon?
2) That would be impossible (given that fans don’t agree on these matters), and it’s not his job description anyway?
3) Who says that Brandon doesn’t see that?
The question is not “who are are 2 most effective backcourt players”, but “who is are most effective backcourt”. It doesn’t follow that the answers to the two questions are the same, but on most teams they are.
I am Spartacus and I approved this message
by EngineerScotty on Nov 23, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Then don't read them....
No one is forcing you to read each and every post. The reason there are so many post on these topics is that a lot of people (myself included) believe they are legitimate questions to be asked.
And I do not recall reading any posts that have been in poor taste and personal. I know that Nate and Blake are classy guys….I just they think they are a poor coach and not the best we can do at point guard, respectively.
Please respect others’ right to opine/vent.
Part of my point is that I don’t want to read the same stuff over and over. It seems to be in the comment section of almost every post. And by the way, a quick (and I do mean quick) search revealed:
“he was demoted for no reason other than for nate to keep his girlfriend in the starting 5” and “I HATE the way Roy is Playing right now. (sequel to Steve Blake is Dead to Me)” and “I still hate Blake” and “Dear Blake, I still hate you” and many many more…
In my book, those are personal comments and in exceptionally poor taste. Sorry.
by wannabe1 on Nov 23, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
Believe it or not, this is not the first Happy Fan Manifesto in the history of BE.
It’s about the 435th.
They’re just as repetitious as the complaints you complain about.
Don’t believe me?
There’s another one currently in the Recommended Posts section right now (“Takin’ Back the Neighborhood”).
Here’s how it goes:
1. Team plays crappy, Grumpy Fans complain.
2. Grumpy Fans complain, Happy Fans complain about Grumpy Fans.
3. Grumpy Fans complain about Happy Fans complaining about Grumpy Fans.
4. Team finally plays well, everybody’s happy except for the Kirk Hinrich/Trade Machine nutter-butters…
Repeat, ad nauseum.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Nov 24, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Right on I, I agree. It goes both ways.
I say just don’t take things so seriously. It will make life so much easier.
by edawg on Nov 24, 2009 1:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
oh my...
an open inventation to rant or what?
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
I agree I'm so sick of all the Chicken Little "the sky is falling garbage"!
Armchair coaches and Gms what a joke.
Agree as well
I stopped browsing the O-live site about 2 years ago to get away from all the whiney fans. Now they seem to have found a new home here at BE. I’m not against people expressing their opinions, but think before you type. Don’t just post a 3 page rant because one player had an off night.
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
If you read the posts
I think you’ll find that they are nothing but thoughtful.some think this is going to be a special year, but those people also see obvious speed bumps coming fast and this is the only place anyone is talking about those things. You don’t care that: bayless is barely playing, blake is starting over a clearly superior player, roy seems to have a problem fitting next to more talent( oden, miller) thats fine, but a lot of us do, sooooooooooo……..don’t read it.
You've been a member here for ONE WEEK...
You have no right to tell long standing contributors to BE if you don’t like it don’t read it which is basically what your last line says… In my opinion that is no different then me saying if you don’t like the way the Blazers are doing things…Don’t watch them.
Not that long ago this was a place for intelligent give and take about the team I love. It is now becoming a place for people to regurgitate the same old tired complaints and “quote” the same old made up things.
I probably sound like an old red neck (cuz I am) but new guys bringing in the same old whiny O-Live attitude and telling me that if I don’t like it don’t read it seems a little ridiculous.
by Ilikeemall on Nov 23, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Just because
he’s a recent member doesn’t mean he hasn’t been visiting the site for years.
by Gary: Badass on Nov 23, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Your welcome...
but I was serious. Have you been lurking for a year and are just commenting now? It would be intersting to know.
What does it matter?
Are opinions graded on a curve?
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
Nope...
But this is a unique site that in my opinion deserves some respect and may need some time to adapt to… I also think that the sentiment “if you don’t like it , don’t read it” is not only rude but counter productive to a site designed for discussion and debate. If people only read what they liked…and commented accordingly it would be a pretty boring gripe fest around here in my opinion.
I have softened my edges some here and I apologize if my comments were taken as rude or accusatory. I do believe though that some respect is do for the guys who built this site. I’m just along for the ride but for someone who has been commenting for a week to tell one of those guys (jscot future ruler of the world always comes to mind) “sooooooo…don’t read it” would be extremely rude and disrespectful. That is how I feel right or wrong and you will not change it.
"You've been a member here for ONE WEEK..."
“You have no right to tell long standing contributors…” I wonder if these are the exact thoughts Brandon has about Miller?
It would have been better if you used the entire quote...
…but selective use of partial quotes is an art form… are you Jason Quick?
No dude
I absolutely do care if the team isn’t playing up to the fans expectations. Many people have different expectations however and I just am tired of hearing the same thing over and over again. If you don’t like Blake, then fine leave a comment. Don’t post 50 threads about how much he and Nate suck and how Roy is selfish. For the record, I don’t read them because most of them are unrealistic and they annoy the heck out of me.
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
I agree
It’s not the questioning of decisions or players. For instance, upper left corner has a nice balanced discussion which was rec’d to the top in which he asks those questions. It’s the endless rants, the mindless complaints, the arrogance that assumes that only an idiot would disagree with one’s point of view, etc, etc, ad nauseum.
I’m about to stop commenting on Bedge. I’ll post my Sched Ahead updates, because lots of people like them. But the rest is just getting really old and tiresome. This used to be a place where things were discussed like adults. Well, sorry, but too many posts sound like spoiled little kids who can’t find their favorite toy. And it has gotten old.
And I’m going to ask people who agree with me to flag this so the mods will see it, because the site I’ve enjoyed for two years is pretty much gone, other than the main page articles. The decent discussions of varying views is getting drowned out by rants and character assassination against our players and coach, in comments on almost every post and in lots of fanposts. And I don’t find myself wanting to be here much anymore.
I enjoy discussing differences of opinions. I don’t enjoy endless rants. O-Live is taking over.
And I say this as someone who doesn’t think Nate’s offensive system is very good, and would rather eventually see Miller, not Blake, finishing games along with Roy, and would rather see Miller and Rudy both getting more PT than Blake eventually. And I’ve always thought Nate was a good teaching/rebuilding coach, but never have been convinced he is a championship coach, and am becoming less convinced this year. So I actually agree with some of the points of view, but the dialog reeks.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 23, 2009 2:34 PM PST reply actions 18 recs
that bad, jscot?
sad to hear it! am looking forward to some good discussion of your prognostications.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
Just not much fun anymore
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Sadly I agree
And I have been here as nearly as long as Dave. The sheer volume of haters and negative comments is wearing and hard to wade through. I have wondered where you were (or EngineerScotty as well) and others who always seem to bring clarity and perspective to the discussion. The point of the site used to be to bring multiple perspectives to issues and provide additional content for each other to ponder and discuss. One thing I have always admired is the standard of supporting with data, links, etc (or at least logical development) those perspectives. Thanks for posting.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
flagged for complete agreement
I essentially stopped posting here around a year ago for the same reasons, though it’s a shame jscot (who brings infinitely more to the table than I ever did) is following suit. at its core, this isn’t a new phenomenon—replace most instances of “Blake” in the opening post with “Jack”, and feel yourself transported back a couple of years to a time eerily like the present. I’m not sure why I consider the doomsaying to be more intolerable now than I did then—because the membership has grown? because it was more reasonable to complain about a 50-plus-loss team than a 50-plus-win team?—but I’ve long since grown tired of it.
I’ll still be here almost every day, because Dave’s posts are as good as ever, and Ben’s swag is phenomenal, but I find myself more disappointed with this site’s community with every game. and that’s a darn shame.
oh man, I think I'm average like, ten points, like, twelve, thirteen dimes, like two, three assists, and about four, five rebounds, and if we need me to play, play a different position, I might get a little bit more.
by abdelnaby on Nov 23, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I know it isn't new
but back then, it rarely overwhelmed the content like it has been doing the last few weeks.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Yeah, I'm wondering myself what idyllic past you're longing for, Scot...
………………………………….. Bedge is what, 3 years old in its current form? I’m too lazy to check… Were there not I HATE JACK and I HATE SERGIO/I HATE BAYLESS periods in every way comparable to the current I HATE BLAKE/I HATE MILLER period.
Has there not been a constant and unceasing stream of second guessing Nate ever since the Blazers stopped being a doormat and started being a .500+ team.
I can understand getting tired and not wanting to fight the good fight anymore. That happens. But don’t idealize the past. The discussion on BE has always been and will always be more or less like it is currently… As long as there is free ability to comment, there will be criticism — often bitter, sometimes unfair — and that criticism will peak during times in which the Blazers are struggling (which has been more or less all year, up to now anyway).
I suppose with 50 moderators and a draconian All Happy Thoughts All the Time policy you could stamp out all overt manifestations of human nature, but it strikes me as more reasonable accepting it and concentrating on stuff of merit, and avoiding getting poo on your shoe by sticking to the sidewalks…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
It's not "All Happy Thoughts All the Time"
It’s respect.
The difference this time is that the disrespectful stuff has been totally drowning out other stuff. It IS worse, timbo. I cracked up at your comment up above, you are right about the cycle. But for some reason, this time people have been far more nasty about it this time.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Agree
This is like every election when people complain about how personal and negative and combative politics has gotten—it has ALWAYS been like that—the battles between Jefferson and Hamilton—and even among the Federalists, make today’s Democrat and Republican battles look tame!
It seems like there is more negativity here than before, sure, but it is entirely in line with the fact that there are a LOT more people here. Instead of 5 negative comments, there’s 100. It comes with the increased traffic. But there’s a lot of positive posts, or even anti-negative posts, too.
What gets tiring for me, just speaking honestly, is not that people are too negative—or too positive—but that the positive or negative nature of commenting so often becomes the subject. Someone posts something negative, personal, and often out of line—but then 25 people jump all over him/her about how negative it was, then 50 people respond defensively…
How about, if you think someone’s post was too negative and childish, then make a post yourself that isn’t negative and childish.
AGREED 100 % Scotty !
It reminds me of subbing for Junior high school. The instant gratification
generation gone wild. They have too many years of Video game GM on the brain,
combined with the entitlement complex given by parents who never made them
work for anything. Sport, like life, is about working to become better thru trial and
error, becoming better thru team chemistry and improving skills by hard work and
practice. Unfortunatly the team does not get a lot of practice time when the season
kicks in and the fall back position drops to previous successful combinations.
In closing, BE was great for years (found it 2006), but has devolved to bickering
contentious posting about the same subject from too many basement dwellers.
It's GO time !
by walkoff41 on Nov 23, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
I think I would agree in general with your thoughts
But, seriously, this post is so overflowing with all kinds of prejudice and assumptions and name-calling that it seems like it loses any leg it has to stand on if it is supposed to be lamenting negative, nasty posts. Just an observation.
Sorry, but . . .
as a observer of society (sociology), I see things in a unique fashion.
Of course, sometimes the negativity gets ingrained in my rants, but I’m just sad
that instant gratification is used to judge the ups & downs of sport. Having
played and coached all my life, I’ve seen the obsessed parent/kid go negative
even when the team is winning, just because they want something they haven’t
earned or deserve. The name calling was generalized negativity.
I still love my Blazers,
but think COINCAST SUCKS !!!
It's GO time !
I wish ya wouldn't go
It is nice when ya come in and mow a few pretenders down.
Seriously …losing a good poster because a some yahoos is counter productive
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 23, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, but are we having fun?
Does anyone have a responsibility to soldier on when not enjoying it anymore? At some level, maybe, there’s a responsibility to the community, but it doesn’t go very far.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
It's precisely for those reasons
that levelheaded BE scholars (and levelheaded lurkers, who never post or reply) MUST stay and post and reply more often. It’s like a mild form of cyber-terrorism. If you let the handful of loud backbiting naysayers make you change your lifestyle, then they’ve already won. Eh, sorry for the cliche, but you get the point. Instead of packing up and moving on, take back the neighborhood with positivity!
by Dunemonkey on Nov 23, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, but that takes time, effort, and subjecting ourselves to something that should be fun and entertaining, but has become anything but.
It’s a risk vs. reward thing. If this was my country, sure. But I have other online pubs I can frequent.
That's a pretty good response to a good point
Dunemonkey’s point is valid and appropriate, but how far does it go?
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
You need to stay, jscot
Remember the tragedy of the commons. Although I’ve also noticed that my posts have dropped waaaaaay off this season.
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
by DonkeyShins on Nov 23, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Game Theory?
That’s like saying Gravitation is an Einstein reference. Ever hear of Thucydides? How about Plato? :)
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
by Blazin' on Nov 23, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the tragedy of the Commons
must refer to the House of Commons in London, right?
jk
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
I don't think of that as 'Tragedy'
More as Performance Art or Slapstick Theater.
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
by DonkeyShins on Nov 24, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
That's because you don't have to live under the stupidity
and pay taxes to support it, and take the consequences of the ways they are wasting your money. If you did, it would be tragedy.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Compare and contrast to Congress, where they don't bother wasting taxpayers' money because they are convinced they can just run everything on some Infinite-Limit-Never-Gotta-Pay platinum card...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
We have a higher debt
and deficit as a percentage of GDP.
We’re even more bankrupt than you, which is going some, I must say.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
I read recently that UK is 105% GDP and the US is 350% GDP on debt incurred or obligated through 2010
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
Opps found the article
It is here and actually says US deficit at 125% GDP whi8le UK is 105%. There is another article I read recently which talks about total debt, not the deficit, at 350% of GDP.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
Ok, I was wrong
Thanks for the correction. Assuming AEP is correct (and he is usually correct on facts, at least), your debt is much higher than ours.
Key excerpt:
Even without fresh spending, public debt would explode within two years to 105pc of GDP in the UK, 125pc in the US and the eurozone, and 270pc in Japan. Worldwide state debt would reach $45 trillion, up two-and-a-half times in a decade.
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(UK figures look low because debt started from a low base. Mr Ferman said the UK would converge with Europe at 130pc of GDP by 2015 under the bear case).
If we are converging, it is because we are at a greater annual deficit, but our debt is lower.
And this assumes no new spending. In reality, our government right now is spending like there is no tomorrow. Which for them is true, because they’ll be thrown out in May, and they really don’t care how big the mess is, since someone else will have to clean it up. The worse the pain of the cleanup, the more people will hate their successors, and the quicker they’ll be back in power.
They have political incentive to sabotage the country.
Did I mention tragedy?
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Yeah, I don't see any fun reason to hang around anymore.
Particularly not in the game threads or fan posts, which have always had some level of reactionism to them, but now are just vitriolic, even when the team is doing well. I just don’t see any reason to subject myself to it when I’m trying to enjoy a game.
Now, Dave’s analysis and Ben’s opinion pieces are still worth coming around for though. The conversation? Not so much right now.
by zaruga on Nov 23, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The game threads need to be segregated.
I really have no idea why this theory isn’t tried.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Venit, Vidit, Fugit.
1.- We´ve always needed a rest, kind of vacations off Bedge.
2.- Rants were easier to bear when we could go off topic in our reply.
3.- Too much to read.
4.- “Good old days…” is just a feeling.
5.- You can always count on your Spanish guerrillero friend to provide you support in your rebelion against …whatever.
Some day I'm coming to Spain to meet you
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Perhaps, but I'm not sure my army will be :)
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 24, 2009 2:34 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
No flag for you
only yet another rec. This is spot on. Great sports talk is built on informed disagreements – it’s the stuff all those barbershop and sports bar memories are made of. But the extreme vitriol on this site recently is getting out of hand, and it’s on everyone who posts here to do their part to keep this site what it should be.
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 23, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
On the contrary, in Daves last “clean it up” post he asked that people “not read” anything they find offensive and avoid replying as it adds to the negativity.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
jscot
Please don’t go! You have contributed some wonderful posts to BE and you have a vision for a better way of doing things than what is currently being done. That is a good thing not a bad thing.
I know you want to be the ruler of the world, but ….. absolute power corrupts.
Hang in there, please!
Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.
Now I'm not even good enough for you to have a conversation with. Hmph!
Elitist!
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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Why do you say
now? You never were good enough. Deal with it.
Don’t worry, if things settle down, I’ll be around. If not, I probably won’t bother.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Sorry we're slow at this still.
With so much content coming in, and the mods having lives and careers outside of our volunteer work, we’re still trying to feel out the boundaries. We never want to take away the privilege of posting if we don’t have to. We want people to give their voice and let their thoughts be known. But what works is conversation, and what doesn’t is shouting. Maybe it would be as simple as removing all the posts that shout instead of reason. Except that would mean that the mods have to make value judgments on the quality of each person’s post. We turn into an elitist club if we only allow good posts. We turn into O-live if we let them go. Which evil is less? I have no idea. And that’s why it’s going to take a little time to sort it all out, considering all the ramifications of whatever decision is made.
In the meantime, I would like to implore everyone that making good reasonable posts always makes for the best conversation, even if, or even especially if you don’t agree with it.
πάτερ, ἄφες αὐτοῖς, οὐ γὰρ οἴδασιν τί ποιοῦσιν.
I know your job is pretty much impossible
if people aren’t willing to be self-policing.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Ah, great wisdom in phrasing this question...
We want people to give their voice and let their thoughts be known. But what works is conversation, and what doesn’t is shouting. Maybe it would be as simple as removing all the posts that shout instead of reason. Except that would mean that the mods have to make value judgments on the quality of each person’s post. We turn into an elitist club if we only allow good posts. We turn into O-live if we let them go. Which evil is less?
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Yeah, and that's why the job is impossible unless people are self-policing
Because if everyone is >trying< to have conversation instead of shout, mostly conversation will happen, and the mods don’t have to worry about it.
But too many people want to shout, and do as much as they think they can get away with, and that always leaves it in the area of “is this over the line or not”, which is a tough place for a mod to decide.
And one person living on the edge isn’t really a problem, but when five hundred wander onto the edge, it becomes a big problem.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Don't go
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 23, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
You know what else reeks? Farts
just sayin
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 24, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
In closing, I would add . . .
I do love Dave’s (Fearless pontificator) preview/wraps and enjoy many old
time posters (J, Morty, etc.), but it’s gotten to the point where even lurking is
painful. Keep the faith, Blazermainacs !!!
Ohh, and COINCAST SUCKS !!!
It's GO time !
I’m sorry I can’t flag your post JScott. Ben’s post from a while back asking us to avoid false flagging stays my hand. However, I do agree with you here, well, you agree with me, as I probably had the thoughts first, but that’s besides the point.
There was a time when I felt I could make inane ill-informed comments without being called an idiot. I feel those days may have passed.
I'm on your bandwagon. Eating your nachos.
I too see Miller, not Blake, probably finishing games, maybe even starting them. But it’s not a given. He hasn’t earned it yet. Or showed that he makes the team better (it IS a team game) I don’t care how good he’s been in his career to date. He’s with the Blazers now.
Before I’m asked, cause I keep reading that Andre gets no respect from Nate and would you treat Kobe, Lebron, Dwyane that way? No I wouldn’t. But Andre isn’t Lebron (thank goodness) and he hasn’t won anything like Kobe and Dwyane.
Remember when Arvydis Sabonis came to the NBA. If I recall, it was awhile before he started ahead of Dudley. That didn’t mean the coach thought Dudley was better, only that there was a transition period for Sabonis to adjust to the team, not for the team to adjust to him. And there were no guarantees.
by wannabe1 on Nov 23, 2009 2:52 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
lol some you have completely missed the point of his post
"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning." - E. E. Cummings
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 23, 2009 2:53 PM PST reply actions
rec
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
http://www.gop.com/
Roybot.
nevermind
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
http://www.gop.com/
Roybot.
Maybe we need to start a rant thread, like the junk and trade drawers.
Where those who need that level of ventage can take it, and those who are negatively affected by it can avoid it. The idea that one can simply “not read” things they dislike on a forum is pretty disingenuous. You have to read it in order to know you don’t want to read it.
I like that thought
Complainers and ranters can enter there and have subsections for each player, coach, owner, they wish to vilify educate for that day. But isn’t it necessary to have posters such as we non-ranters to rant to since we actually listed (read) and think about what is said? Does anyone else?
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
I think Nate could coach a clock
just fine.
Now a basketball team is a different thing altogether.
"Oden was a huge factor in that...thank goodness he got in foul trouble...nobody could guard Oden" Don Nelson
by MadBlaze on Nov 23, 2009 3:39 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
It's not that the questions are wrong, but the tone has gone from civil discussion
to negative, to nasty to ugly.
I find myself getting angry while on the Bedge. That’s not my idea of fun.
I’m going to the game tonight, gonna sit in the nosebleeds and enjoy myself. Period.
by raoulduke on Nov 23, 2009 3:43 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Exactly how I feel.
It’s gotten very negative and nasty in some comments.
"Rudy is not everyday a shooter," Fernandez said. "He's defense. He's passes. He's assists."
Well put.
That’s precisely the problem.
It’s probably a function of the simultaneous rise in popularity of both the Blazers and this site. As the masses flock here, the social bonds grow weaker, and respect, both for fellow posters and the players and coaches, falls by the wayside. It’s too bad our schoosl don’t really teach argumentation anymore—e.g., how to make a reasoned appeal to persuade others. Vitriolic rants are cheap and easy. Civility takes effort. Sadly, our self-righteous, entitled culture settles for the former rather than striving for the latter. It’s a disturbing trend we’re seeing across society.
REC for you Mr. Wannabe1...
I’ve gotten myself into trouble expressing the exact concerns… Thank you so much for doing a Fanpost on the subject.
I’m afraid though that some just won’t understand that the balance is all out of whack… An even balanace of the type of posts you cited is one thing but why do the same redundant complaints have to filter into every post… including Ben and Dave’s? People say well don’t read it if you don’t like it… Well they’re in EVERY POST. Besides I have the right to disagree with what I see as unfair and unreasonable criticism of the team I love.
Thanks again Sir for your excellent Post!..
GO BLAZERS!!!
It's not even simply that it's permeated every post.
It’s become a large percentage of the individual comments.
I think it all goes back to expectations
I think we all set pretty high expectations, and we are not slowly realizing that going from a good team to a contender, top notch team, takes time effort, and set backs. Also, it will probably not happen as fast as we would have hoped…
Still a great team, great to support and cheer for!
This post describes exactly what I've been thinking.
I’ve been reading the comments here since early last season and there is way more hating on players and coaches than ever.
"Rudy is not everyday a shooter," Fernandez said. "He's defense. He's passes. He's assists."
Its just a symptom of success ...
This is a very popular blog, so like other popular blogs there will be posts and styles that are tiresome, repetitive, unnecessarily provocative, silly, dumb, etc … Best to ignore to stuff you don’t like (so it actually will go away)!
Expectations for the team have gone up so even being merely “good” is not enough for many. I just want to Blazers to be as good as (i think) they can be, and they’re not there yet. On the flipside, the rash of exceedingly rosy posts that occur during win streaks get old fast.
by Sound_Automatic on Nov 23, 2009 4:15 PM PST reply actions
I understand the raising of expectations, and I'd love to see a championship sometime, but
it’s only a game. Really. Nothing much important changes in the world if LA wins the banner instead of Portland. I love the excitement of sports, but if I get so wrapped up that I have to start calling other people names and talking about them as if they were worthless, then I would wonder if I had mental health problems.
internet is conducive
to mental health problems.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
That might sound attractive but it echos the New York City mentality
Are we to boo every missed free throw to make the players realize you have to make your free throws? (They boo in Yankee Stadium when A-Rod strikes out). Please let Portland maintain a more supportive fan base. It is entertainment and a game for fun. Let us enjoy the ride – there is no place else that is enjoying this rate of acceleration of success. When it stops being fun we stop coming here to collectively enjoy the team and the games.
As jscot says it is the lack of respect that is objectionable. These 15 men and these coaches and executives are among the very best in the world. Perhaps there are posters here who feel they could do those jobs better and the opportunity to prove that lies in starting in the trenches and working your way up as they each have done. I am puzzled by many decisions and am not troubled with the discussion of those decisions. Only with the posts which seem to discard respect for the superior training, practice, experience and talent these professionals apply over long hours of every day throughout the year.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
I too am getting a little tired of the same subjects over & over.
But, a lot of them do bring up some good points.
And great post BTW. You are MORE than entitled to your opinion. That’s what makes BE so great!
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Homers and Haters!
Flip sides of the same coin?
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
by Blazin' on Nov 23, 2009 5:45 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm the biggest blake hater ever in the history of ever
but yeah the site is starting to display the
“life cycle of blazersedge” on acid.
It goes something like hits
Ben posts a relatively objective post about a game or a player :
Steve Blake had 0 assists and 5 turnovers. He was 0-5 at the 3.
Commenters flame in his post
Steve blake sucks! Start miller!
with the reply
Steve makes brandon better b/c (insert statistics and #’s )
Someone makes a fanpost about the argument started in the post
Many more fanposts begin off the comments in that thread.
Someone writes a parody of blake haters and brandon boosters.
Dave chimes in with a long explanation about why we have to be nice on Blazersedge and why all of our players are class acts and remember when so and so did this or that and we were all miserable this isn’t the worst thing ever.
Commenters argue, and then someone (you) get fed up and say
I just come here for the blazer news and good game recaps and convo , why the fighting!?
Ben posts another news story.
This is the life cycle of blazersedge. Sadly, the team has sky high expectations which they aren’t exactly fulfilling, yet. (this is normal and im not saying they are bad) Not only are the expectations high, the conversation and excitement on this website were at a fever pitch before the season. We set ourselves up to fail .
So keep coming back here, no one is mad at you for saying “hey what the heck” but please recognize the type of place this is (self important men and woman ;) that never see the glass half full, mostly anyway) .
Go Blazers
-Sophia
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Nov 23, 2009 6:14 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
look at you, the voice of reason
Honor Jordan, Retire #45
by The Arkitect on Nov 23, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
You got it right, mate...
This is the life cycle of blazersedge. Sadly, the team has sky high expectations which they aren’t exactly fulfilling, yet. (this is normal and im not saying they are bad) Not only are the expectations high, the conversation and excitement on this website were at a fever pitch before the season. We set ourselves up to fail .
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
This is not new nor bad
BEdge used to complain bitterly about Joel being pulled in the 4th quarter.
Then it was wondering why Sergio isn’t starting ahead of Jack.
Then it was wondering why the Blazers drafted a center with a bad knee.
Then it was more on Sergio.
There was even some argument to start Taurean Green.
The first heavy dose of Trade Outlaw began at this time. Along with a great, long-winded discusion about BBIQ and whis is or is not racist. (But at least Joel was finishing games by this time.)
Then we wondered why Oden was a bust.
Then we complained an awful lot about Jack stepping out of bounds and not being a pure point guard.
Those dang Vulcans are going to move the Blazers and ruin the city!!!
And we wanted Sergio to start (or go away) for a third year running…
Run more, Nate!! (No, it’s the players, Nate is pleading with ihs team to run!)
What’s up with the moronic medical staff anyway and all our injured players?
Really big burst of Trade Outlaw with—if I remember correctly—somebody threatening to jump off the bridge if Trout was still around when the trading deadline expired.
Free Bayless! (Followed up by the Bayless admitted/denied working out with Oden over the summer.)
Etc… this is off the top of my head and I’m sure there are many more examples that you can come up with.
I personally haven’t noticed that the “drama” (for lack of a better term) is any better or worse than prior years. In fact, one of the nice things is that there are a significantly higher number of really good posters that bring insight to the game and teach me a lot. That job used to be held by something like three people… now it’s probably a dozen or so. I love that (even if it drives me to relative lurkerhood).
And we get Ben now!!!
To me, the Blake debates have been passionate but not any more personal than is generally the case. For the most part, I find that it’s been rather civil with people looking towards evidence to support their argument. I like that. And I don’t find it hard to quickly identify rants and leave them alone. Quick scans are generally sufficient.
What’s interesting to me is that temper tantrums over the site itself is somewhat cyclical. Remember people complaining during the institution of moderators? How about the infamous return of Fatty to the front page and the hostility that engendered? We even had a good long discussion/pity-party over the move to SB Nation.
There is always going to be a little yellow press, a little sensationalism, and a little overreaction on a site like this. But it really is a shining example of what is best and most profitable about coming here and tolerating some of that overreaction.
Let’s at least not overreact about the site itself.
Buck Williams for the hall of fame
by Phizbin on Nov 23, 2009 6:38 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Well put, 100% right on the money...
Let’s at least not overreact about the site itself.
This is where we’re heading though, unfortunately.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Well I never know what is considered inflamatory or not...
… and since my only post in months has to do with this very subject and in the camp against Nate’s decisions on the matter, I’m sure there are people who would label me among the “haters.”
My sincere apologies to jscot and anyone else who may have found my comments on this subject offensive. That was never my intention for anything I have said.
I hope no one leaves on my account!
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
I thought your post was well-reasoned, mostly
I don’t recall you talking about hating Blake or any other player, or anything like that. I thought you raised some good points, and if your post had stood alone, it probably wouldn’t have bothered me. But since you jumped in here, apologized, and said you don’t know what is considered inflammatory, I’ll give you some specifics.
This isn’t to bash you, because I don’t think you meant wrong, and even if you did, I love real apologies, which yours obviously is. It is just so you can understand how things came across to one reader, at least. (For other readers, the post in question is here.)
First was your title, “Mr. McMillan, meet Reality”. This implies that Nate is living in a dream world, that he is blind to reality, and ignores the possibility that he may be grappling with issues about which we know nothing. Ultimately, it is insulting to Nate, and actually detracted from some of your well-reasoned points. I didn’t actually read it for more than a day because I didn’t want to read yet another ranting Nate-bash, and that’s what your title sounded like. But since it got so many recs, I thought there might be some substance, so I read it, and found there was.
An insulting title probably does more to detract from the quality of discourse on the site than 50 bad comments.
Suggestion: Mr. McMillan, You are Losing Me Here. That conveys disagreement and unhappiness, without being insulting.
Your first two points were not objectionable at all (though I wasn’t in full agreement, as I mentioned in one comment).
My second objection came in point three.
Problem 3: Nate needs to wake up and realize he can’t live out his dream to be the starting PG for the Sonics vicariously through Steve Blake.
This sentence was problematic on a couple of levels. First, the “needs to wake up” statement is unnecessarily disparaging. Nate is paying much more attention to what is going on with the Blazers than you or any of us.
Second, “live out his dream… vicariously” is a derogatory assumption to make, and factually inaccurate (Nate started for the Sonics for several years). Nate talked in one interview about his experience and the need to treat incumbents with respect. He ALSO in that same interview talked abou the fact that it ended up being best for the team that he NOT start, a fact that some people seem to have conveniently forgotten. That could well have been a message to Blake to be prepared to lose your job if it is best for the team, that I’ll treat you with respect but you have no guarantees, but no one wants to talk about that side of it. You have a pretty flimsy basis on which to lean to make an assumption which calls into question Nate’s intellectual honesty and integrity.
Much of your following comparison between Miller and Blake was entirely appropriate. But you said the following:
Nate has made statements – as well as Roy – that Miller would be better with the second unit because that unit could be the really active and fast unit that needs a better ball distributor. I do believe that they’ve made the choice to keep Blake in the starting lineup for two reasons and neither of them have anything to do with Miller being a better fit in the second unit.
Are you accusing Nate of lying about his reasons? Or are you accusing Nate of being so blind that he doesn’t know his reasons? Either one is pretty insulting. And if it is the latter, you are also making another accusation, whether you know it or not.
If Nate is blind, then he is also stubbornly refusing to listen to his advisers (assistants, upper management, players), or else he is such a dysfunctional leader that they don’t dare talk to him, or he has surrounded himself with “yes” men who are too spineless to say anything, or they also are stupid and blind.
All of this would have been better if it had been stated, “Is it possible that part of the reason has nothing to do with how well Miller fits on the second unit?” That would be better because it does not assert as fact that which is in question, and it acknowledges the complexity of decision making. Then, I could respond by bringing out the rest of the McMillan comment about it being better for Payton to start, and we could go ahead and discuss it.
Then, we came to this.
Nate is not his baby-sitter and Oden shouldn’t be treated like a child to be managed rather than a man that needs to and is capable of learning.
It is Nate’s responsibility to hold players accountable when they do not carry out on the court the things they have been told to do in practice. He can use fines, or he can use the bench, or use extra running in practice. But it isn’t baby-sitting to hold a player accountable, and that was a derogatory and insulting term to use.
Whether you like Nate’s method or not, the fact is that Greg improved his fouling. He is being targeted even more than last year by the opponents, because he is much more effective and they need to get him out of there if they can. Yet, his fouling has improved considerably. Nate never said the two foul rule was intended to be permanent. It was a teaching tool. Your very statement, Greg is a man capable of learning, is the only reason for that rule. You wouldn’t use it if you didn’t think he could learn to improve.
Now, we could discuss whether the rule was a good way to teach. To really discuss that, we would probably have to know Greg. I can guarantee you that Greg wants to be in the game, so that rule was probably a bigger incentive than anything Nate could come up with to influence how Greg responded to on-court situations. That doesn’t mean it was the best way to teach Greg — we could have an interesting discussion about it.
We could also discuss whether Greg had reached the point that the rule had accomplished its purpose, and now he needed to learn something else — how to play with fouls. That would be an interesting discussion. In fact, you did a very good job of discussing it in your post.
But by bringing the “babysitter” stuff into it, you insult Nate, which detracts from the discussion.
OK, now that I’ve said my piece, I want you to understand that you weren’t even close to the worst offender, and that it is in any event no one post or poster that has been dragging down the tone of discussion. If your post had stood alone, it wouldn’t have been so bad. In the context of multiple posts insulting players and coaches, it magnified the impact of the problems with what you said. But I can’t imagine that anyone is leaving Bedge because of your post or comments.
Anyway, I hope at least that helps you understand where I and some others are coming from.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Actually, I think most people’s posts are meant to be constructive. But for some reason, it’s just deteriorated into a “bashing who I don’t agree with” and “calling everyone else blind” contest.
While the comments to my posting have given me hope that “this too shall pass,” it ain’t going away anytime soon. Even today’s gameday thread:
" blake = ineffective – but he makes roy feel all warm and fuzzy so…"
“I hate Blake and Nate more with each Miller highlight.”
Or other comments:
"he was demoted for no reason other than for nate to keep his girlfriend in the starting 5"
"I HATE the way Roy is Playing right now. (sequel to Steve Blake is Dead to Me)"
"I still hate Blake"
"Dear Blake, I still hate you"
I’ve been (admittedly) lurking for the past year and used to read bashes about Frye, Sergio, Travis. Usually they were even amusing. Sometimes not. Never vitriolic though… And not as a comment in almost every post… It seems like all posts are now an opportunity for Blake, Nate, and Roy-bashing (it used to be Travis too, but now that he’s injured, he’s apparently off limits).
Personally, I think Nate has done a good job juggling the personalities. I think he’s done a good job handling a fragile Oden. A good job handing the keys to Roy, something which has been very difficult for him (Sarge). Not a bad job judging how to use Blake and Miller against all kinds of resistance from all sides (especially since there is no “right” x and o way). Nate thinks Blake helped lead us to where we were last year and we can get better from there. Remember when he was out with his shoulder injury last year? Sergio and Bayless did not make the grade. On the job training is not too easy in the NBA and Nate is walking a fine line with the future of Portland’s PG’dom. As you might know, I think Miller is better than Blake, but it’s a process working him in, and right now, Nate thinks Blake is a better starter for us. It’s not the playoffs. It’s early in the season and now is a good time to build on what we have, not tear down and rebuild from scratch. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, considering all of his years playing in the NBA and coaching add up to more than mine and he gets paid big money to do it so PA and KP think so too. Nate is not always right and he’s learning too, but overall, I’d give him a good grade in a VERY difficult job.
You can disagree all you want (and you may be right), but I don’t think I’m blind or stupid so don’t get too condescending if you respond.
I don't disagree much at all
Did you think I do?
I wasn’t responding to you in this comment, I was responding to Seijeff about his post.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
It was directed at those who say “if you don’t agree with my opinion, you’re an idiot and a member of the ‘great unwashed.’”
No problem
I just got confused.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Obviously, I worded some things poorly.
Next time I post – at the current rate it should be in April or June – I will try to be more aware of the possible misunderstandings. The title is something that should have been worded differently.
I don’t want to dissect everything here, it isn’t the proper place for the discussion, but I can say that I should have explained myself better and that most of the statements you found objectionable in that post and what you understood them to mean wasn’t what I intended to say.
I will definitely try to do a better job next time. I probably could have done that, I just didn’t think anyone would wade through the whole thing if I made it too long.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
I understand
Like I said, I don’t think you meant any harm. I wouldn’t have gone into it at all if you hadn’t said what you did about not knowing what is inflammatory.
In general, I’ve felt like your contributions to the site have been a positive enhancement. Only my opinion, of course, FWIW.
All the best to you.
Go Blazers!
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
There's nothing wrong with some complaining
The one thing about this site that drives me crazy is there’s this collective that assumes everyone has to get along and we all have to have perfect discussion. We’re human beings. We’re sports fans. We’re PORTLAND sports fans. We’re emotional about our team, what’s wrong with that? People are going to disagree, people are going to argue, people are going to get emotional, and people are going to say negative things about players. That’s part of being a sports fan.
I mean it’s one thing if everyone is whining, but they’re not. There’s heated discussion about one of the most critical points of this team moving forward going on. I don’t see the issue. Sometimes it’s a bit much, but again, we’re not perfect.
by Seven06Renault on Nov 24, 2009 9:36 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think you are right...
…to an extent. But I see this forum as a cut above other sites. Disagreement is necessary for debate but…and this is my opinion only… guys with names like “Blakesucks” and other guys who say the things Wannabe1 lists above bring very little to this community and would be better served at O-Live where there are other posters that want to stream negativity for mainly shock value.
Having the decency to say I don’t think Steve Blake should be playing so many minutes for XYZ reasons is a lot different then “Steve Blake is Dead to Me” That type of comment is the definition of inflammatory is my book and is the type of comment most find insulting.
I agree. I’m certainly not looking for agreement. And I am looking at comments with an open mind. I’ve been wrong before, and changed my mind.
But some of the comments and even the sigs (I see this one over and over – “Update: Mike Barrett Proposes to Steve Blake!!!! by Blakesucks on Nov 23, 2009 8:05 PM PST…i dont understand because he SUCK!!!! Steve blake is the worst blazer ever..he has a good shot he cant pass for crap. not to mention how ugly he is, i mean holy crap he has viens popping out of his head…. I am officially starting the I Hate Steve Blake fanclub. I know this will be deleted fast because you all are a bunch of retards that are not open to new ideas besides yours.”) are in amazingly poor taste.
It’s weird. I feel like I’ve turned into the official Steve Blake defender, and I don’t want to be. I don’t even think he’s that good. I just think he’s earned his spot through track record, effort, being a good team-mate, character, etc. Reminds me of Brian Grant, Buck Williams,Jerome Kersey. Okay he doesn’t have their talent, but he gives 100% for the team. He doesn’t give it away, you’ve gotta take it. Not a bad guy to got into battle with.
Understood...
And by the way, I meant to say “go into battle with,” not “got” into battle with. Actually, it should be “with whom to go into battle” (danged dangling prepositions), but that’s a story for another day…
Expectaions are set by the team and by the blazers media.
All summer long I heard from blazers media that Miller knows the team so good, that he almost knows all plays better than the coach, that he will help out all players get better. Yeah right playing off the bench for 20 minutes its not a demotion. You can tell that to you little kid, but not to a top 10 point guard of the decade. What did Roy say during summer? That he will be learning how to play off the ball, yeah put Miller on the bench cuz its way harder to play off the ball then to say it. So thats why steve brake sucks cuz we dont have outlaw to blame now.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Nov 24, 2009 11:29 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I just think its funny that 90% of the bickering over the last several years
has been about the point guard du jour. Jack, Sergio, Bayless, Blake, Miller…and before that, the king fan antagonize machine: Telfair!
Two points scored by GO’ = "thunderdunk"
Bassy's got a gun, bowchikabow
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 24, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Leeroy for King of the Scene!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
It is interesting that you have provided a place to rant about the ranters - nicely done.
Respect is the single standard I wish we could all accept.
I would like to think I would make the same comment with the same tone to you or Nate or any of the players ;face-to-face that I would make here. I do not understand many of the decisions. I respect that there are only 30 head coaches in the best basketball league in the world and Nate has earned one of them. I respect that there are only 450 available player positions in the league and we have 15 of those filled with the best available players according to the team’s assessment. I respect that those assessments are made with vastly more data and considers far more variables than most of us even are aware of or have at our disposal and are made by professionals who have vastly more training, experience, and talent than any of us have yet proven to possess. So while I puzzle and come here to hear the others’ perspectives on the decisions, I want to be convinced by logic, supporting articles or data or explanation for those perspectives. That enables me to shift my own perspective to embrace a wider view. That has made me a better, more knowledgeable fan (with still a long way to go).
That said I do love the passion displayed by fans here. It is a wonderful thing to have a team worth caring about and a fan base that notices (even every hangnail on every warm body). I would never wish to dampen that passion.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
Can we start a new blog?
Call it “Blogging about Blogging” and every post can explore how one should or shouldn’t post, and then everyone can debate in the comments about what is “good” posting and what is “bad” posting, and alternately accuse or defend posts of these things. We can have articles all about semantics, discussion, censorship, communication, etc.
That way, we can start talking about the Blazers on Blazersedge… rather than having 70% of the commenting be about commenting.
My original point was...
Frankly, I don’t really care how positive or negative posts are. That’s part of the charm of this site. People are real believers in what they believe in.
The point is these complaints/whines/insults/character assassinations started invading EVERY topic. And once the invasion came to a topic, there were invariably a dozen more comments following suit, each more insulting than the one prior to it. If you could get past that (in the spirit of “if you don’t like it, don’t read it”), it repeated further down the thread. It gets tiring and I have been tempted to find a new site to get my Blazer fix.
If we could keep topics focused on what they were written about, I for one would be a happier camper. And recommend this site again (which I have stopped doing).
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