Full Court Press
I tallied it up last night.
- The combined records, as of today, for the 10 teams the Blazers have beaten: 42-83.
- The combined records, as of today, of the 5 teams the Blazers have lost to: 43-24.
Yes, that includes 1-12 Minnesota 3 times in the wins column and the 11-3 Atlanta Hawks 2 times in the loss column. But even if you average the winning percentages of Blazers opponents, counting each team just once, you're left with...
- Teams Blazers have beaten: Average winning percentage of .387
- Teams Blazers have lost to: Average winning percentage of .604
Looking back over the entire record, there's a fair argument to be made that the opening night win over Houston, thought at the time to be an easy must-win, still stands as the best victory of the season. The other candidates: beating a .500 Thunder team on the road, beating the below .500 Spurs at home without Tony Parker and beating a below-.500 Hornets team without Chris Paul on the road the day after they fired their coach.
Had the Blazers not collapsed in Atlanta and had they decided to show up and take care of business against Golden State, they would be in sole possession of the best record in the league. And yet, through 15 games, they still feel like no better than a slightly above-average team.
There are worse places to be; there are better places to be. For now it's safe to say that the jury is very, very, very much out on this team.
Click through so we can go around the internet. A bunch of great articles out there today...
-- Ben Golliver | (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com) | Twitter
As we noted last week, Jerryd Bayless started a blog. Here's this week's update.
I want to clear up the fact that I am an angry guy who is arrogant. I have heard this so many times the last couple years in Portland and it is the farthest thing from me. Yeah I am in a tough situation at the moment, but I love life way too much to just be mad.
You look around the world and the times that we are in, and for me to just be mad when I've been blessed to play in the NBA is very untrue.
On the court at times, I can agree that I do become very intense, but off the court I could be one of the quietest people you'll ever meet unless I know you. This has been something I have wanted to clear up for awhile.
Jason Quick quotes Brandon Roy about the three guard lineup. Caution: his statements might be painful to read...
"I feel like we tried it (the three-guard lineup), and you could say it worked at times, but me sacrificing hurt the team, so it should get back to me playing full-out and getting some other guys in other areas to sacrifice a little bit," Roy said.
Privately, Roy has been conflicted. He was never happy playing small forward -- particularly on offense -- but he put on his best face for the team. But as a star, and the leader of the team, he felt like he had too much to offer that wasn't being utilized. In turn, his unrest and reduced production was having an effect on the team."This team is going to go off my pulse," Roy said. "Even if I'm smiling and trying to make it work, if I seem like I'm not totally comfortable, then Martell won't be. And Rudy (Fernandez) will look like he's in a funk. And L.A. (Aldridge) will look like he's in a funk. They have been playing with me for a couple years and if I'm going well, they have more confidence."
Dwight Jaynes tees off...
Why is Miller the problem, rather than Blake?
Because Brandon Roy deemed it so. Roy this season is slightly down from his career numbers in field goal shooting, three-point shooting, rebounds, assists and steals - and up in fouls and turnovers - and he's pinning it all on Miller. That's obvious. From the very start, he hasn't liked Miller taking the ball out of his hands and everyone knew it.
Instead of taking control of the situation, McMillan tiptoed around it by using two point guards instead of one. It's been all about placating Roy from the start. Why not spend 20 games with Roy being a more traditional off-guard? Learning to play off the ball, learning to move, set picks, get picks, get himself open - without pounding the ball in a spread court. Why not post him up once in a while?
A very interesting interview transcript from Tim Kawakami of the Mercury-News, who believes Monta Ellis locked up Brandon Roy and asked him about it...
-Q: Can you talk about your defense against Roy?
-ELLIS: I just did what coach Nelson asked us to do. Goad him, crowd him, play to his strength. He likes to go left so I had that cut off.
Really, I was more energetic than anything and really wanted to go out and get this win and I knew he was a big key for them to even have a chance of winning.
So I just took him out of the game and the rest of our players stuck with the gameplan and did what they needed to do with their players. We got out and ran and won the game.
Mike Barrett on Martell Webster...
Webster was undoubtedly the star on this night. But, it didn't start out that way, Martell had just 2 points at halftime. However, in the third quarter he exploded, and it looked as though a switch had been flipped for the entire team. After scoring just 17 points in the second quarter, the Blazers scored 36 in the third, and the rout was on. They followed that up with 30 in the fourth, as Webster ended with 21 points and 13 rebounds for his first-career double-double.
Brian T. Smith quotes Brandon Roy on Martell Webster...
Roy compared Webster being back in the starting lineup to when forward Nicolas Batum held down the spot last season.
Webster and Batum - who is recovering from shoulder surgery - are both athletic, speedy small forwards who are able to turn their arm length and leaping ability into advantages.
"The game is more simple for that 3 guard. They just catch and shoot," Roy said. "I think (with) the second unit, (Webster) was forced to maybe think a little more and have to create. Where as in the starting lineup, it's just he knows when he catches it, shoot it."
Joe Freeman quotes Martell Webster on his rough season and big night on Saturday...
"It's a long season," Webster said. "And guys get in slumps. You just have to keep doing the things that you did when your shot was hot or when you were playing good. That's what I did. I just kind of took that to heart."
Brian T. Smith quotes Nate McMillan making an adjustment in his treatment of Greg Oden...
Previously, Oden was limited to two fouls before halftime, and one per quarter for the first half. Once Oden picked up his allotted amount of fouls, he was sent to the bench, no matter how well or poorly he was playing.
However, now that the Blazers are dealing with a lack of healthy bodies and offensive production has been an issue as of late, McMillan said he is considering changing his Oden rule.
Now, Oden will likely receive three fouls in the first half. In addition, McMillan said he plans to attempt to allow Oden to play through foul trouble and learn on the job.
Wendell Maxey writes about Nate McMillan's recent statement that he "needs bodies"...
"I've got to go with my roster and try to make work with what I have. You have to look at that, because right now we have 11 bodies that can play. If we lose another guy to an injury - you have to look at that scenario. Financial decisions and moves like that, that's not something you can all of a sudden do," McMillan continued.
"We are aware we are missing two guys, two rotation guys. But you find that guy or find someone who is going to come in and play and help you. That's going to be more than you possibly releasing someone. That's going to be some major moves."
Portland is one more injury away from making those "major moves".
David Aldridge has a long feature with Brian Grant on NBA.com...
Grant still has an iPhone. I know because it started chirping just as Fox, the Emmy Award-winning, immensely popular and beloved actor, was in the middle of explaining how his Michael J. Fox Foundation has raised, and distributed, $150 million since its inception in 2000 for research and for clinical trials looking for a cure for Parkinson's Disease. The neurological disorder attacks the body's central nervous system, slowly but thoroughly, causing symptomatic tremors in the hands, arms and legs, rigidity throughout the body and impairing the quality of speech. It is a disorder that has no known cure, impacting the famous -- Muhammad Ali, former Attorney General Janet Reno and boxing trainer Freddie Roach all have some version of it -- and the anonymous.
Grant, who played 12 rugged NBA seasons for the Kings, Blazers, Heat, Lakers and Suns, who threw his 250 pounds into nightly battle with power forwards often taller and usually thicker than he, has all that to look forward to. For now, only his hands shake, because he is a relative newcomer to this nightmare, having been diagnosed with "early onset" Parkinson's last January. At 37, it has thrown his life into a tailspin from which he is only now starting to recover.
Coup from Rip City Project on consistency...
Consistency has arguably been the biggest issue for the Blazers, not just game-to-game but quarter-to-quarter. They are top four in the league in average scoring margin in the first and third quarters. In the second, 12th. In the fourth, 22nd. Golden State was a good example of this, with the Blazers putting up 37 first-quarter points on the defenseless Warriors, then following up with 15 in the next period. Reasons for these numbers could be the general lack of Oden in the second quarter this year and the Blazers many blowouts, resulting in 4th-quarter garbage time, making the second quarter the most concerning. It's not like the Blazers are playing bad defense in that quarter, allowing a third-best 22 points per game in the second, they just aren't scoring, putting up a third-worst 23 points. This may be due to inconsistent play from Rudy and Martell, but they both were better this weekend.
Runyon from Trail Post on the 3 guard lineup...
So, it's finally dead. Thank goodness. The three guard lineup, the greatest fluke of the season, died an unceremonious death Friday night in Oakland, as the 7-man Warriors absolutely destroyed the Blazers by 14 points. Before we take a look at the game, let's just reminisce over the good times we had with Blake and Miller in the lineup simultaneously. Took a second? Are we ready to move on? We beat a few teams by strictly surprise with the lineup, and by the end, it was expected, and we got hit accordingly. Before the season, I asked Brandon Roy if he'll be swinging down to the small forward position as much since he lost that weight. He responded, "I hope not - those guys are big." Well, his hopes weren't answered so far this season. When you have a chance to move your max deal two time All-Star around the lineup to accommodate Steve Blake, you gotta do it. It's like the Superfriends replacing Superman with the Wonder Twins. Just a bit of a talent gap.
Torrid Joe from Loaded Orygun on the lineup...
What I didn't really address, and what I typically tend to downplay in my reasoning because it's hard to judge if you're not an insider, is how chemistry is affecting the team. It was getting results, but it wasn't working, and a lot of guys knew it. Regardless of the success, ultimately the lineup was doomed to short term success at best--and maybe that's all McMillan figured he'd get out of it too.
Blazers.com is rolling out some fresh new content, including valuable insights from Blazer Dancer Melissa...
I was so excited for another win I kicked too high:) It happens!
Pass the prescription meds to Kellex over at Blaze of Love...
In just 15 games, we've already been through such extreme highs and lows that Lindsay Lohan just called to say, "Hi."
A basic season breakdown would look something like this: multiple injuries, Dre Miller drama to Dre Miller laughter, the 3-guard lineup successes to 3-guard lineup embarrassments, Brandon Roy happiness to confusion, back to happiness and at least an extra case of wine on our end. I'm just not sure how much more of this I can take.
Some Quick Hitters
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In case you missed it this weekend, the single must-read article of the week: Mike Rogoway of The Oregonianlooks at the post-Paul Allen Portland Trail Blazers.
- Bustabucket.com put together the periodic table of Blazers. Much like the real periodic table, it's complicated.
- Max Mandel, Blazers.com intern, has a blog now.
- Ryan over at BasketballGeek.com is developing some pretty insane statistical scouting reports.
- Great example of why some people hate Twitter.
- Darren Rovell: Brandon Jennings: marketing star.
- David Thorpe rates Marc Gasol, Roy Hibbert and Jason Thompson in front of Greg Oden in his Best Sophomores column.
- Kevin Durant started a blog.
Power Rankings...
- John Hollinger: Blazers are 4th
- Marc Stein: Blazers are 9th
- John Schuhmann: Blazers are 9th
Drop anything I missed in the comments. And, please, frequent the fanshots.
-- Ben Golliver | (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com) | Twitter
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Monta Ellis
wishes he was as good as Roy, I can’t stand that guy.
He should focus on learning how to ride a moped.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I was disturbed by the seeming lack of a plan of how to defend the Warriors
Maybe we will figure out a way to do that next time. – Elgin
Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers
maybe in the playoffs?
I hope gsw doesn’t end up our first round matchup
"I play, Coach stays. He goes, I go." - Jimmy Chitwood
by DucRider on Nov 23, 2009 5:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
can't hate Ellis when there are so many others to hate in this league
I remember when he was on our wishlist for PGOTF
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 23, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
why do you hate him?
whats wrong with him? all hes shown is that he made one bad decision in his career and that he is really really concerned about winning. whats not to love?
I live in the bay area
And everyone here thinks he is the best player in the league. They won’t hear anything about Roy or Aldridge or Oden, they will just tell you Monta is better. Also he talks in the papers here about not wanting to be a leader of the team and that he doesnt want to play with steph curry. He is a very easy guy to hate.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
To be fair, that's not really Monta's fault
GS fans always think that of their best player…which really isn’t too different from fans of any other team (us included). They just take it to bit more extreme.
Still, it’s nice to have loyal fans even when the team is awful, as opposed to some teams that can’t even bring in fans when they have a good and exciting product.
Whaaa?!!!
Superstar leader doesn’t want to share the spotlight with the new guy?!
This would never happen in Portland!!
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by CaptainSexyJacob on Nov 23, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
na i disagree with gs fans then.
lol. gs has a history of choosing its coaches over its players. i was there when sprewal got dumped for the franchize solidifying p.j. carlisimo. i grew up a gs fan, dumped them when it became obvious the ownership would never put a winner on the court.
ellis was trying to be a leader in that one game they got torched and nellie came into the locker room and told him to shut up. i woudln’t want to be the first mate to a ship with a captain that was running it into the ground.
again, whats not to love? elles is playing hard, hard as he can, defending, scoring, doing what he is capable of. maybe he needs anotehr player to be the leader on this team? oh ya, stephan jack, and baron davis. probably from his perspective they had THOSE guys to be the leader. but the org is so messed up they alienated all of them (in his view mind you — baron clealry needed the cash, but i be monta still interpretes that as alienating him) and now expects him to be the leader? “f-that” i bet monta was saying. rebuilding again? ur gonna draft curry, a project? (in his view) and now im expected to be this guy on THIS team? heck no.
support monta. what does gs have if he gone? never choose a coach over players. nba 101.
A .666 record is not exactly comforting...
"Gonna stand my ground ... and I won't back down" -- Tom Petty
"You have to know the past to understand the present." -- Dr. Carl Sagan
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A .666 record...
equates to 54 wins over the course of a season. Not saying this team shouldn’t do better, but it’s by no means a disaster.
What are you impressions of Roy?
"He's just a very, very good basketball player. Very smart. Very heady. He can do a little bit of everything on the court. As coaches, when we scout Portland we kind of put him in the same category as Kobe (Bryant), LeBron (James), Dwyane Wade. We treat him the same. He's that good."
- Byron Scott
Just waiting for the AntiCoach to appear...
"Gonna stand my ground ... and I won't back down" -- Tom Petty
"You have to know the past to understand the present." -- Dr. Carl Sagan
COMCAST SSSUUUCCCKKKSSS!!!!!!!!
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54 2/3, to be precise
which rounds to 55 wins.
But of course, we’ve had a cakewalk of a schedule so far.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
well the thought is. that if the rotation gets settled. roy settles back into form...
they will at least be as good as last year. the problem for me is.. im not sure i see the improvement that everyone is expecting. you gotta expect that some of the potential all-stars on this team aren’t gonna get there.
yes and no
several games against chumps, yes—but also Denver, two vs Houston, two vs Atlanta, and you can probably throw SA in there as a pretty solid team.
ya but people aroudn here were expecting IMPROVEMENT to like upper 60-wins.
i mean whatever the jury’s still out righ tnow.. but i think we can all agree the blazers have not yet ascended to league elite. in fact, i would say, they are struggling to keep pace with last years improvements.
i was always saying that its a hard sell to think that teams and players keep improving by the same increments every year. you have to expect some things to not turn out to be the best case scenario. i mean, its the nba.
.667
The Neighbor of the Beast
"...the rumblings grew louder. Dribble. Dribble. Fake. Dribble. Fake. Shoot. ...a towering dark shadow too terrible to describe. In its hand it held a huge black globe and on its chest was written in cruel runes, 'Villanova.' 'Aiyee,' shouted Legolam. 'A ballhog!'"
technichally
The neighbor of the beast would be at 668 or 664 ; )
by Gary: Badass on Nov 23, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
Took me a second to get that
So he lives across the street! Come on! :)
Two points scored by GO’ = "thunderdunk"
I'm surprised by Roy's comments
Over his first three years he was all about “making my teammates better.” He’s starting to get superstar syndrome.
He makes himself better you mean
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 23, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
Ummmm
Based on the last three years, I’d say Roy’s done a GREAT job of making his team mates better.
And I can’t for the life of me figure out why it’s Roy that should adjust to Miller as opposed to being the other way around. One of the two is much better than the other. And it’s not Miller.
"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green
by antediluvian on Nov 23, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
well
they need to learn to play together. Roy isn’t even willing to let that happen.
by Gary: Badass on Nov 23, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
i'm seeing more and more of it as time goes on as well
i remember when he never used to complain to refs. He noted that he saw how effective it was for Kobe and Lebron to complain and felt that he needed to as well in order to get calls. Well sadly that is one of the reasons I liked Roy more than Kobe and Lebron.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 23, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
It doesn't help that Brandon has that squeaky high voice
At least Kobe and LeBron are baritones.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
Two issues
One, thanks to the internet age, EVERYTHING is quoted and written about. Context and tone of quotes aren’t always portrayed correctly.
Two, Portland fans (and media) are crazy. The ‘feelings’ of the Blazers get over-analyzed big time. There’s only one show in town and everyone seems to hang on every word a player or coach says.
Roy’s comments could be true, could be totally untrue. Maybe his teammates are starting to resent him, maybe they look up to him. I don’t put too much stock in these or most other comments.
by ericande on Nov 23, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You don't put stock in things that come directly out of peoples' mouths?
Unless you are saying Roy is being misquoted
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 23, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
I doubt he was misquoted.
What I’m saying is, context is everything. Who knows what questions Quick was asking, how Roy said it, what was said before or after. I’m not saying disregard the quote or article, I’m just not as concerned about it as others are.
Roy's been such a baby this season.
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by CaptainSexyJacob on Nov 23, 2009 11:40 AM PST reply actions
He really has, and I'm a big fan
But then what do you expect? People have been telling him it’s his team for three seasons.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 23, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
I can't believe people are complaining about Roy's attitude
was it really THAT long ago that we had Z-Bo and D. Miles, Damon, Sheed, etc.?
Two points scored by GO’ = "thunderdunk"
You haven't heard?
Roy is the new Z-Bo. Great offensive game, but he’s arrogant, plays no defense, gives cancerous interviews.
… or so I’m told.
Uh FINALLY
Now, Oden will likely receive three fouls in the first half. In addition, McMillan said he plans to attempt to allow Oden to play through foul trouble and learn on the job.
Now, who said Coach doesn't learn from his mistakes? Shame on you!
"Gonna stand my ground ... and I won't back down" -- Tom Petty
"You have to know the past to understand the present." -- Dr. Carl Sagan
COMCAST SSSUUUCCCKKKSSS!!!!!!!!
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lol. i agree. but watch oden like foul out of the next 20 games. hehe. that would suck. and destroy my days.
I'd rather he fouled out
and got the max minutes out of him. If he would foul out in 30 minutes, why play him 26? You don’t get bonus points for the extra foul you didn’t commit. For all we know, the refs will get really conservative with him if he had 5 fouls early, letting him play as much as we needed.
Coaches are WAY too conservative with pulling guys with fouls. Pull guys for being tired, but not “just because they have two fouls.” Two fouls in the first quarter means be careful and keep playing.
i agree. the better alternative its to let him play and see what happens.
doesn’t mean he suddenly wont start picking up 4 fouls in the first half. im just saying, that would suck.
Yep.
As I’ve said elsewhere, Nate has seemed to believe you can carry over unused fouls to the next game. (Gad: if that were true, then by season’s end, Shaq, LeBron, & Kobe would each have about 300 fouls in the “bank.”)
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
Rollover fouls, baby
I am so for that!
Jokes aside, I remember reading an article recently recommending instead of fouling people out after 6 fouls, you keep the player in the game and give the other team FT + possession. Can’t remember where or who for the life of me, but I’d be down with that idea.
Phil Jackson
That was in his book. Oops, is my Blazer Fan cred taking a hit by admitting that I read Phil’s book?
Oh, my God--I think I agree with Phil Jackson about something!!
Of course, that would be a radical change. You’d have to test drive it and see what the unintended consequences might be. But I’ve ALWAYS hated how the refs can completely transform a game simply by calling a couple quick whistles on a key guy (especially a center).
Hmm: wouldn’t this take away the ref’s pet technique for throwing games??
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
As long as it came from his Bulls days
its not half as bad an idea as if he had it during the Lakers stint.
A-B-C McMillan
Way to blaze a trail
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 23, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
Dwight Jaynes is a pure crap stirrer and if he can't find crap, he'll invent it.
Gripe about Canzano all you want, he’s fair game, but Jaynes is just a poisonous SOB.
by raoulduke on Nov 23, 2009 11:51 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Jaynes' column
Hit the nail on the head. There’s a REASON the best player on most teams isnt the primary ballhandler. Especially early in the regular season, it’s important to reduce wear and tear on him. Do you disagree that learning a different role (as many other Blazers hae had to do in the last year or 2) was going to be BAD for Brandon? It’s not like he would forget how to go 1-on-1 if he became a better catch-and-shooter. Worst case we scrap the experiment after 20 games, but to hae neer TRIED it is really unfortunate. In my opinion, example #1b (after Oden foul rule) of Nate’s inflexibility
I hate to use the l*kers as an example
well, they did win the title last year, anyways, last season they posted up Bynum and Gasol more and then as the season went along went back to Kobecentric offense. With the exception of their center getting injured, I’d like to see the Blazers follow that model. The problem is that often this season Roy isn’t dominating the ball but we also aren’t feeding the post so we end up with those jumpers with 2 left of the shot clock.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Nov 23, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
The Lake Show has three or four guys you have to defend when they need a bucket
The Blazers have one.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 23, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
I agree but he's correct here
As I’ve said before Brandon should shut up and play
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 23, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
There are worse places to be; there are better places to be. For now it’s safe to say that the jury is very, very, very much out on this team.
Rec rec baby (doon doon doon doo-doo doon-doon) – Elgin
Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers
of course jurys are held, justifiably, to a much higher standard that fans
Plenty of us have, if not “verdicts”, reasonable expectations for more. Unless, of couse we are deluded homers, or just plain ignorant of what’s really going on…… NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I’d rather blame coach than myself.
"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener
Sadly,
I just don’t think the Blazers are going to be a top tier team in the west this year. They could be if Greg Oden got more than 5 shots a game….. And if LA could get some more shots off in the paint. You just can’t go far in the standings if most of your game is jump shots. It’s just not going to happen. I hear Nate say play inside-out, but I never see it happen…
Let's see how they're playing in March before making pronouncements.
Right now, yeah, they look a little raw. Remember the run they went on last year after the all star break, no one saw that coming.
That's true...
But mostly my proclamation stems from the fact that the west is soooo tight this year. Did you think that Sacramento, Phoenix and Houston would be this good this year?? I didn’t think so.
What happens
If they go 41-41?
Does everyone have to apologize to Bill Simmons?
by Gary: Badass on Nov 23, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
The lineup (if I had it my way)
Starters:
Miller
Roy
Webster
Aldridge
Oden
Key bench players:
Fernandez
Przybilla
Limited minutes:
Bayless
Cunningham
Spot minutes:
Blake
Howard
Couple notes here. Heaviest minutes go to Miller, Roy and Aldridge. Oden and Przybilla split center minutes (with Oden getting a few more if he can stay out of foul trouble). When Bayless plays, either Miller or Roy need to be on the court with him. Howard is a straight-up liability when he is on the court (fast breaks notwithstanding). I just don’t understand how Nate isn’t giving Cunningham a chance. Roy needs to play the 2, he is ineffective at the 3. Webster plays well when he has confidence. Putting him in the starting lineup gives him confidence (not to mention lets Roy play the 2). Oh, and I’m not a huge Blake fan either.
There. That’s my team.
by tripdoubsalldetime on Nov 23, 2009 11:55 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I’m not convinced Cunningham has any use for the team unless he’s going to get minutes at the 3 – he is much smaller than any of the 4s out there. I think the backup 4 minutes need to go to Howard. (Aldridge is going to log big minutes, though – this is a minor consideration.)
I like Blake with Roy, and Miller with Fernandez – they seem well suited to each other. And I really like Webster at the 3, he has what it takes to hang in there with the Rudy Gays and the Gerald Wallaces of the world.
I miss Outlaw and Batum. – Elgin
Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers
Best guy currently on the roster for the inconsequential 8 mpg at the backup 4.
Now, if you want to upgrade at that position, fine; get in line behind me, because I was here first. – Elgin
Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers
Howard gives the team absolutely nothing. There is nothing he's doing well.
Cunningham at least gives the team some youthful energy and solid mid-range shooting, as well as some solid defense— he knows how to show and recover on the pick and roll.
8 minutes (unless in a blowout) is never inconsequential. Howard played a huge role in costing the Blazers the game at Golden State with his horrible play. Dante will give the team a lot more in the short term, plus he’s a young player who may have a role on the team in the future. There is absolutely zero reason to play Howard.
by jksnake99 on Nov 23, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
absolutely
I can only think of one scenario where I might play Howard over Dante – if we are playing a team with a dominating low post PF, where playing Howard might make SOME sense (he presumably could use his bulk and experience to at least put up some defensive fight).
Other than that, I think Dante would be at worst a net neutral to playing Howard, with the potential of being a net positive given his mid range game, energy, and hustle
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Yes...
I just wish Nate would give Cunningham a try. It just seems like the risk is so low for a potentially solid reward. Give him a couple games. If he’s not an upgrade over Howard (hard for me to picture), then go back. Nate is really set in his ways.
I will say that I liked the Howard signing for his veteran experience. He is a “seasoned vet” who can guide some of the younger guys, be a presence in the locker room, and say the right things. However, none of these actually necessitate him seeing time on the court.
by tripdoubsalldetime on Nov 23, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
wow
I have high hopes for The Inferno, but at this point, if he’s playing, you’re seeing a guy getting abused on the defensive end and turning the ball over on the offensive end.
But I guess we’ll never know until Nate puts him in the game when it matters. – Elgin
Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers
Cunningham has yet to commit a turnover this season
Howard, meanwhile, has turned it over on 24.2% of his possessions, higher than Joel or Oden. Furthermore, Cunningham is superior in terms of pick and roll defense and is rebounding more than Howard.
While it is a ridiculously small sample size, and will obviously drop, Dante is leading the team in PER at 23.5 while Howard’s is a hilariously low 1.4— that’s way, way beyond bad. If it was quite a bit better, it might qualify as terrible.
I don't even think you need to have
high hopes for Cunningham. I just see him as a solid role player. Heck, I’d take mediocre hopes and it’d be an upgrade over Howard.
by tripdoubsalldetime on Nov 23, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Webster
Webster is playing well as a starter bc his role is a lot different than if he was on the bench. As a starter he is mainly a catch and shoot player. Which has traditionally been the role for all of our starting 3s. Despite Martell’s athleticism, he has had trouble shooting off of the dribble or creating for himself which is why he has been lackluster on the bench. He and Rudy make a good tandem, but Martell just isn’t able to thrive as one of the primary options off the bench.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 23, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Most of us agree with you
Still, I don’t think Roy is necessary ineffective as a 3. He has harder time guarding 3s than 2s, at least he feels that way. As for me, I really couldn’t notice the difference since he was pretty poor guarding either.
There are 3s he can guard in this league
and then there are Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, Rudy Gay, etc. If you’re 6’6" and 215, why would you have to guard anyone who is 6’9" and/or 245? Why would anyone expect that to work well? – Elgin
Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers
If he was normally locking down 2's in the league, I'd agree.
I’m not arguing for the 3 guard lineup or saying it’s better for Brandon to play 3 rather than 2. Just for the wear and tear reason, Roy should be a 2 . What I am arguing is that Roy doesn’t necessary become a less effective player because he is playing in the 3 spot. And with Outlaw and Batum out, it is likely that he will continue seeing minutes at the 3 spot so he better get used to it.
I still see 58 wins and them making to a 2nd round exit.
It’s a long season. They’ll get there.
Fan Request: Rudy to have the ball in his hands a tad more in the half-court offense? He’s the most creative passer on the team. When he’s in there with LA, they seem to be on the same page.
Portland's PG of the Future - MORE John Wall
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
We could have had Sessions cheaper and younger if we just wanted to use him for some more offense in the second unit
He would also mind less coming off the bench, and playing like Roy wants him to play.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Yes, the Blazers have beaten up on the cupcakes
But considering they’re adjusting to the absence of Batum & Trout and to the presence of Miller and the new Greg Oden, I think they’re doing fine. (Add the fact that, for various reasons, Blake, Roy, & Webster hardly played during this past summer.)
Thank goodness the early schedule featured several patsies. Hopefully, by the time the schedule toughens up, the Blazers will be ready to at least play .500 ball against the better teams.
Really, the idea is to tread water until Batum & Trout return. Once at full strength and with Miller & GO fully integrated, we’ll find out what the Blazers are capable of this season.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 23, 2009 12:43 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
really? trout and batum are the keys?
i guess i mean im not sure if them playing puts blazers into leagues elite. which is what expectations are. 500% ball against good teams seems like un-contender status. lol. i sound like a boxing commentator.
but ya, i dunno. seems like this is all just putting a positive spin in hopes of obtaining a mediocre status from clearly bad facts.
You lose two rotation players--the starting small forward (and only good wing defender) and your instant offense guy, and yes: that's going to impact you
Add adjusting to a new point guard (Miller) and a transformed center who now needs to be getting the ball down low, and you’re definitely going to be out of rhythm, at least.
A few weeks back, I heard the Spurs people talking about how it will take at least until the all-star break for them to adjust to the addition of McDyess & Blair. That’s right: a veteran team like the Spurs is thrown out of rhythm by the addition of a pair of BACK-UP FORWARD/ CENTERS!
Sure, Trout & Batum aren’t keys (although Batum will be pretty soon, in my opinion). But it doesn’t take much to throw a team’s chemistry off.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 23, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i really dont think trout and batum
are REALLY that big a leap over webster.. i mean maybe they are better. but i dont htink the difference is the differeance between what the blazers are right now and an elite contender.
isn’t that what the whole thing was? that the blazers were deep? there supposed to have rudy to be able to step up. cause they are so deep.
I REALLY REALLY hope the “injury plauged season” is what gets thrown around at the end if things donw work out. cause thats what depth is for and thats why everyone has been on teh blazers jock. this excuse really only works for me when a major player goes down. all teams have injuries to rotation players.
The only problem with that rationale is..
When is Batum coming back? Likely early April? Trout’s due back around the same time as well.
There’s just not enough time between when they come back and the playoffs to integrated them into the lineup.
It’s more likely that they are pretty much lost for the season. Sans a trade, this is probably what we are rolling with this year.
That's a definite possibility
The timing will be critical. Look what happened to the Magic when they tried to re-integrate their star point guard during the playoffs. They crashed & burned. If the Blazers don’t have at least a month to adjust to the return of Batum / Trout, they’ll be better off without them.
Having said, that, without those two guys, it’s hard for me to envision the Blazers winning more than one playoff series (if that). Batum in particular appeared poised to really step it up this season. Even last year, as a teenaged rookie, his all around game was very important to the Blazers’ success.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 23, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, the Brandon quote is a bit painful, from our "unassumming, humble" leader.
Why do I feel that I am hearing McMillian speaking when I read the Brandon “leadership” quote. Could we lighten up on the “Brandon’s team” program. Part of the problem could be that Brandon is just being honest, quoting back what he has been told – it doesn’t really sound like him, does it? He needs to keep that stuff to himself a bit, get a bit more “press wise”. Everything is going to be take out of context and microanalyzed. Maybe Andre could give him a few pointers, if he would show the leadership of welcoming in the new guy. It is tough being the “new guy”, being accepted is important.
It is a challenge to “handle success”. Brandon is in the challenge phase now, needs to get over it a bit. One thing a new coach would do is break up the Nate/Brandon club.. Could be a bit too tight, where Brandon is more with coach than with his team mates.
What is wierd is how Nate seemed to be so “in sync” with Andre in the pre contract interview, they were so enthusiastic about all he could do with the team. What the heck happened ? Is it really that Brandon can’t jell with Andre ? Has he really given that an all out “sacrificial” effort. Has coach really put that to Brandon and given that a fair run ? I don’t think so,.
"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener
I do miss the humble Brandon Roy. But as you suggest, the problem isn't so much that Brandon is thinking this stuff
It’s that Jason Quick is getting him to say it out loud, and that it’s getting into print. As I’ve said numerous times now, Quick is a talented writer and fun read for us Blazer fans. But the impact of his pieces on the Blazers’ team chemistry is potentially very damaging.
In the present instance, what do you think Andre Miller will think reading this stuff? Hopefully, he won’t bother.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
I think not only is Dre watching how Portland treats FA's but also the rest of the league
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 23, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
I think FA's are more interested in the contracts we've signed
than what Portland’s nutty fans think about the Roy/Nate/Miller relationship.
Slightly above average team?
How are we a slightly above average team? Considering how well are defense has played- being that we are at the top in the league in defensive efficiency. That alone makes us better than a slightly better average team. Plus we are dealing with injuries and new lineup. I’d say we’ve done darn good!
Too Early
Good point. We have had an easy schedule, but it appears our defense has definitely improved, and I think this has a lot to do with Oden. I’m focusing on two individuals: Oden and Webster..and Batum when he returns. These are the three guys that can dramatically improve their game THIS year (maybe going to be too late for Batum). They will make the difference: positive or negative on our final standings. Oden Regardless of the stats, both Webster and Oden are playing with greater confidence than ever before. They are very close to putting it together and playing with some consistency.
I think Miller and Fernandez are a great combo off the bench and should play together. Blake needs to be the starting PG until CP3 is ready to leave New Orleans. Blake is a better fit with Roy. Heck, I’d rather start Rudy at PG than Miller.
numbers don't lie
If you simply look at the analysis you must conclude that the Blazers are performing at about an average level. They may not continue to, but for now, they are. Games like tonights are an opportunity to show the league that they are well above average if the play a good end to end game and win by double digits.
that's not correct
According to the more advanced numbers— like the rankings by Sagarin, Hollinger, et. al, the Blazers have performed as somewhere between the 4th and 7th best team in the league.
good one
“Nate has seemed to believe you can carry over unused fouls to the next game. "
LOL
Hey Bayless...
I read your blog but i disagree. Why do I have pics with Trav and Martell but when we all called you out you just put the shades on and walked right by.
I get it… maybe you were having a rough day. Can’t talk to the fans all the time. At least Clyde would wave. You want people to quit bitching? You gotta earn your respect in this town.
I'm convinced Portland has the most sensitive fan base.
ever
by Omgcoffee on Nov 23, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Or perhaps just the most needy one
ever
"Oden was a huge factor in that...thank goodness he got in foul trouble...nobody could guard Oden" Don Nelson
It hasn't been terrible, but it hasn't been great either
That’s why I think the .500 Bulls are comparable to the .667 Blazers (had it tyoped in an earlier post)
I expect anything but an easy win tonight.
Blazer Fan
Also is Roy coaching this team or playing basketball? Sometimes it's hard to tell
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 23, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
When things are going well
Bedgers love that BRoy and Coach are tight.
Funny how that works…
Actually I've never been a Roy homer
And I’ve been uneasy with the Roy’s Team talk for quite some time. But if you want to generalize, by all means…
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 23, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
I hate it when ANY player is annointed the "owner" of his team
Where in the NBA by-laws does it say a team has to “belong” to its best player? I think it’s a load of crap invented by the media, and players have bought into it. I’d love it if Roy had said, “The Blazers aren’t ‘my team.’ I’m just one of the guys. If the 9th or 10th guy off the bench plays poorly or has a bad attitude, we’re going nowhere. On a given night, I can be hot or cold; I can be right or wrong. Basketball is a TEAM GAME, and this is the BLAZERS’ team, not mine. Get away from me with that B.S.”
Sigh…
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 23, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
so whose "homer" have you been ?
I must have missed that…
:-)
"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener
there's a difference?
In the assoc between star and coach?
"I play, Coach stays. He goes, I go." - Jimmy Chitwood
by DucRider on Nov 23, 2009 4:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The differences in schedule are significant
According to Sagarin, the Blazers have played the 21st most difficult schedule, while the Bulls have played the 6th most difficult. It is notable that the Blazers have a strong point differential, while that Bulls’ point differential is negative. Given that, and the fact that the Blazers are at home, its certainly a game they should win, but perhaps not as easily as the raw records would suggest.
I feel like we're talking about 1 loss vs undefeated football teams
tonight we get to settle it on the court. This is one of the problems with comparing teams early in the long basketball season. The other problem is when Mike Rice says the Blazers have the most total stats when they played 2 more games than anyone else.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Nov 23, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
That's been irritating me too
The other problem is when Mike Rice says the Blazers have the most total stats when they played 2 more games than anyone else.
The Blazers have pounded on a few bad teams, the T Wolves twice
That pads their point diff and I think is what’s floating them in the Hollinger rank. Hollinger loves point diff.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 23, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
They have beat the Wolves
3 times…to be correct
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 23, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
December 17-25 will be the test
They play Phoenix, @Orlando, @Miami, @Dallas, @SA, and Denver with those 4 road games in five nights. Just like how during these games I haven’t focused on the wins so much as how they’ve looked, I can take some loses there, but I they have to be playing better by then. I’d like to see us figure out a starting lineup and more importantly find out how Miller fits with the team. Those games are after the date we can trade him (15th) we by then we should know if he can play with Roy. If he can’t, then either he has to be ok with sitting at the end of games or we need to trade him and start the pg search over again.
The whole 3 guard experience just depressed me. It was wasted time, we all knew how it was going to play out and we should have used that easy part of our schedule starting Miller with Roy at the 2 so we could find out how they look. We still don’t know how that looks starting and won’t for a while. It’s frustrating that we still don’t know what exactly we have in Miller.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
I feel exactly the same way
I have no sense of the team’s identity through the first 15 games
From day 1 in preseason, they have seemed conflicted
Two points scored by GO’ = "thunderdunk"
UGH...
“I feel like we tried it (the three-guard lineup), and you could say it worked at times, but me sacrificing hurt the team, so it should get back to me playing full-out and getting some other guys in other areas to sacrifice a little bit,” Roy said.
That’s fine for the regular season, but come playoff time, I’m pretty sure it’s not going to get them past the 1st round….. again.
Agreed, we all have short memories
We remembered things better when we went home with our tails tucked last spring. That’s when we realized Blake wasn’t the answer. Somewhere along the line we forgot.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 23, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Kudos to Bustabucket on the periodic table idea.
But they made a mistake on their spacing. The Wallace/Bonzi/Patterson team should all be in place of the noble gases.
Players who can’t bond with each other…
In fact Patterson should be in place of Helium, and kept in isolation…
by PhilGB on Nov 23, 2009 2:13 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I guess Dwight doesn't see this team as a championship team any time soon, huh?
I don’t necessarily disagree with his analysis (I think Miller should get his chance to start alongside Roy, too). But it irks me that his solution always seems to be the path of least resistance and ship the guy out who might be making trouble. If he were the GM, Rudy and Miller and who knows who else would be gone by now or soon.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
I think he reads too many Blazersedge comments
It makes you cranky like that.
Those BBall geek scouting reports from 2008-2009
Show BRoy’s offensive rating a 128… tied with LBJ and ahead of Melo(106), Kobe(119), and DWade(119).
Too bad his comments about Miller are destroying our team.
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he is a brilliant offensive player.
All I ask for is that he would work his magic with Oden instead of ignoring him.
i cry for nic
He's a brilliant offensive player
It’s just that flexibility isn’t his strong suit. “Being comfortable” (i.e., in control) is a big thing with him. It’s both his strength and his weakness. It’s the reason he’s able to control tempo like few players in the league—which is incredibly valuable. It also leads to you trailing the league in easy, fast break points.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
I support the slow pace, but I abhor Brandon Roy's lax defense and apparent uneasiness with ...
deferring more and more to the budding Greg Oden. While Roy’s porous defense can be masked by other players exerting a vigorous effort, he nevertheless must — and I mean “must” in the strongest sense of the word — develop a rapport with Oden on the court by facilitating him the ball more often.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
For how many games has Oden been a remotely dependable
offensive option? Ten? And for how many of those was Roy playing small forward? Nine?
I agree he needs to learn to incorporate Oden. So let him learn.
I mean put yourself in his position. You're in a highly competetive business,
high stakes. You are and have been the best and brightest light in your work group. You know it and everybody agrees. Management dumps a grizzled vet on the downside of his career and a couple of new guys on you. You, what? stop what you’re doing and turn the work over to them? You rewrite your own job description so they look better? You maybe realize they have something to contribute but you’re not quite sure how to make it happen without losing the mojo you already have?
It’s tough. it’s not a matter of just sucking it up and making it happen.
"Those guys are big".
That’s what Brandon said regarding why he doesn’t care to play SF. Brandon is 6-6, 211 lbs. Carmelo Anthony is 6-8, 230 lbs.
Do we want to get him killed here? Good Lord. I don’t care about him learning a new role. The three guard lineup is a good shock-and-awe tactic against crappy teams like Minny and Memphis but it WILL get him worn down against enormous SFs like Pierce, Odom, Granger, Carmelo, and LeBron.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
While I don't blame Brandon Roy with not wanting to defend small forwards for long minutes, it's very ...
bothersome to me the way Roy is treating Miller by acting like a snooty, overbearingly egotistical brat. I have no respect for people who act like they’ve got a sense of entitlement, no matter how skilled they are in their profession.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
"Snooty, overbearingly egotistical brat"
Think you might have gone a little over the top on that one, AK?
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
it's not (or shouldn't have been)
about asking him to play a different role on defense (guarding SFs). It’s about asking him to figure out how to play off the ball more on offense – something which many think would help him be even more effective offensively.
Sadly, he doesn’t even seem willing to give it a try at all.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Dwight Jaynes NAILED it....
I was quite bummed last night, thinking about Nate completely wasting any talent that didn’t exist last year…
After reading Jaynes’ piece, I’m a little more optomistic. Now that his comments are “out there” in a more public forum (someplace that Nate’s assistants might read), written by a (more) respected (than Bedge bloggers), I’m hoping they’ll have some positive effect. (I’m hoping that Dwight continues these comments on Talking Ball every night until Miller replaces Blake.)
I’ve said from Day One after the Dre trade (and gotten soundly beaten up here) that Brandon had to change. Not play the 3 (dumb, Nate). But by learning a new skill, one that he discussed this summer wanting to do: learn to play off the ball more…
Although, even thought I think Jaynes was being a bit cranky, and perhaps by saying this the opposite will occur, but I completely disagree that KP needs to deal Miller. Roy and Nate just have to get a clue…
I said before the season that Blake would start until he suffered a minor injury… I’ve never wished an injury on any player before, but a minor one that let Miller start next to Roy in the backcourt may be the only way it happens. And the only way the Blazers win anything this post-season is if Blake is getting (many) fewer minutes than Dre.
I was going to post a comment last night that Dwight said in his article: that
bq. You could bring Chris Paul in here and he’s not going to want to give Paul the ball.
But I didn’t think it was very funny… and way too close to the truth….
Rudy
“Even if I’m smiling and trying to make it work, if I seem like I’m not totally comfortable, then Martell won’t be. And Rudy (Fernandez) will look like he’s in a funk. And L.A. (Aldridge) will look like he’s in a funk. They have been playing with me for a couple years and if I’m going well, they have more confidence.”
Actually, I was under the impression that Rudy had a big game scoring wise this season each time Roy did not.

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