Game 16 Preview: Bulls vs. Blazers
Game Time: 7:00 p.m. Pacific TV: Comcast and NBATV
The Bulls come into town with a 6-6 record. Don't let the .500 record fool you. They've played well given the caliber of opponent they've faced so far season. The high point came on November 5th when they beat the Cavaliers in Cleveland in a defensive knuckle-buster that saw LeBron James thwarted by Chicago's forwards as he tried to steal the game with the final possession. They also have a win over San Antonio under their belts plus the usual Eastern taking care of business victories. They haven't really had a low moment per se. 4 of their 6 losses have come against powerhouse teams (Denver, L.A., Boston) and the other two were Philly and Toronto. When they lose they do tend to lose big, but that's somewhat expected against those opponents.
One of the good storylines coming out of the Windy City is the coming of age of Joakim Noah. In his first two years in the league he looked far more likely to replace local icon Oprah Winfrey than Horace Grant or Dennis Rodman. But he put on muscle over the summer and he's now become a rebounding terror, averaging 12.3 per game, over 4 offensive, for the year. He's starting to post a double-double every night. The Bulls have scoring and skills at multiple positions but they lacked a brusier. Noah is making his bid and doing a convincing job of it. For that reason alone the Blazers won't be facing last year's Bulls tonight.
On the other hand draft wonder Derrick Rose has gotten off to a slow start, at least partially because of ankle trouble. He's down a few minutes per game and his stats are reflecting that. He still causes trouble but it hasn't been enough to put Chicago over the top in most games. In fact they've lost every game that he's led the team in scoring, including the last two in a row. He doesn't look entirely comfortable with his own game, let alone his position relative to his teammates yet. But it's a sure bet that another 20-point game or two will put him back in the saddle.
The instability at the point guard position has had ripple effects at the other scoring positions. Small forward Luol Deng and forward/guard John Salmons haven't had bad seasons as much as inconsistent ones. Granted neither is a stranger to fluctuation but both are ending up on the lower side of average overall and each has experienced horrific nights. Center Brad Miller has also been up and down and his downs, mostly drastic, have coincided with facing athletic opposing centers. Guard Kirk Hinrich is suffering more shooting woes than normal and has seen the bottom fall out of his game recently.
In short, like Gumpian Chocolate you never know what you're going to get from Chicago players individually. They've got enough talent to beat the teams they should but they haven't yet pulled that talent together enough to beat the teams they want to.
The Bulls are a low-scoring team but that's not necessarily by design. Their offensive-game is mid-range perimeter-oriented. They're not good at shooting the three and they're not good at scoring in the paint. They want to break you down, take their jumper, and try to rebound misses for put-backs. It's not necessarily a recipe for success but it does fit with most of their talent. They'd probably like to run more but they need the right personnel in the game to do it and those folks aren't their best players. Right now they're forced to hang their hat on their defense, planning on scoring just enough to make up the difference. They need more frontcourt athleticism and they need somebody else to step up on the wing. They might or might not have those players under development but it's a pretty sure bet they don't have them ready to go now.
In the end the Bulls qualify as an "almost" team. They've got almost enough scoring talent, almost enough rebounding, almost enough defense, almost enough cohesiveness, but they're not quite there in any of those categories. Some nights it all comes together and "almost" becomes reality. Some nights it remains "almost". We'll see what happens tonight.
Pivotal Points to the Game
1. Greg Oden. Whether they put Miller or Noah on him he needs to score from the post, draw fouls, and generally make them miserable. I don't think he'll need to worry about guarding Miller on the perimeter on the other end as that seems like a job for LaMarcus while Greg takes Noah. So he should be able to camp out in that lane nice and cozy all night. Take advantage.
2. Derrick Rose might cause harm (especially against us) but he's still not in position to win games by himself yet. You really have to watch out for easy buckets from Deng and Salmons though. They're both a handful when they get rolling and they usually get rolling by taking it to the rim. Keep them shooting jumpers and you're OK. Let them run out or penetrate and their points along with Rose's will spell trouble.
3. The Bulls don't shoot threes often and they don't shoot them well. However you handle rotations tonight, however you handle pick and roll plays, however you play your man individually, remember to make them prove it from the outside before you commit to covering that shot and cede the lane. You really can keep these guys from scoring easily by sagging off of them and playing for the drive most nights.
4. Rebound. Watch out for Noah and Taj Gibson. Keep them off of the glass and the rest of your rebounders should beat the rest of theirs.
5. Their perimeter defenders do get around so you're going to be covered on most of your jumpers (unless they employ the same strategy as in #3 above). Realize this. Also realize that their interior defense is less than intimidating and that if you get a step on them off the dribble the world is your oyster. They're a good defensive team but they're not an airtight defensive team. Make sure you probe them and don't make them look better than they are.
Final Thoughts and Links
This game isn't the test for the Blazers but it's a test. This isn't a game Portland should lose at home. I doubt they'll destroy the Bulls as they did last year but they should be able to handle them.
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--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Let's not wet ourselves over yet another win over the hapless 'Wolves...
Steve Blake in the starting lineup is NOT the answer. We could have started Bayless and Cunningham and won that game going away. Watch Blake tonight against Rose…that matchup will keeel us…hopefully the rest of the team is ready with some serious help defense…
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
just like last year, right
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 23, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, the Blake/Rose matchup was deadly for us last year
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
It was pretty much Rose's best game as a pro
He used and abused poor Blakie that night, and legend has it that Rose locked up the Rookie of the Year trophy with that very performance.
M—
I thought so
Didn’t he also draw six fouls on both of our centers before the end of the third quarter, and they destroyed us inside and blew us out? I’m sure that was the game.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
After game action says TONIGHT was Rose's best game
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 23, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
I think the key to this game is STEVE BLAKE!
STEVE BLAKE! is the greatest nba player of all time and as long as he starts nothing bad can ever happen to the blazers, kind of like a baby and it’s binkie, STEVE BLAKE! is either Roy’s or Nate’s binkie or both. He is the alpha and the omega. He is the reason I gave up sniffing glue to watch the blazers. He is my savior and my very existence. If a meteor is hurdling at the earth we just have to get STEVE BLAKE! to pass a ball at it and the meteor will understand deep in it’s heart that it does not want to destroy the earth because in so doing it will destroy STEVE BLAKE!
Nothing can stop him. Kneel before his might.
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 23, 2009 12:02 AM PST reply actions
i was wrong
not even a meteor could destroy STEVE BLAKE!
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 23, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
The only thing that can cut Steve Blake IS Steve Blake
Blazers win!
by The X-man on Nov 23, 2009 1:08 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
A paper wad
could destroy Steve Blake,BRoys scrap- eater.
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 23, 2009 7:51 AM PST up reply actions
no
you are not allowed to hate NBATV because it has STEVE BLAKE! on it and therefore it is holy. You are a sinner and you have sinned and your sin is not watching STEVE BLAKE! all the time…
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 23, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
I know. I believe my only other choice is illicit streams.
Am I wrong?
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
As far as I know
So, NBA has us pay for a LPBB subscription, and then doesn’t show us games on their own channel.
We’re all willing to pay for it, but what can we do? It’s extremely stupid.
Mortimer
heads or tails?
Im 50/50 on this one. Its a game thats winnable, but definetly not that way we’ve been playing. It will be interesting to see how this works out going back to the original lineup and ow miller works with the bench.
by ODEN on a stick on Nov 23, 2009 12:07 AM PST reply actions
Best win this one
Blazers have won games they should win, but even that last Minnesota game was unimpressive until Martell went off in the second half.
This is the first time I’ve ever been upset with Nate or questioned his decision making when it comes to the lineup. Blake’s getting too many minutes, can’t guard anyone, and on offense he’s a problem for the Blazers when he needs to do anything other than spot up for threes. Andre needs to be in there, and Blake, as Kelly Dwyer pointed out so accurately, needs to be a 15-minute per night bit player.
Blake guarding Rose? Laughable. Either that doesn’t happen or Blake gets torched.
speaking of Martell
is he dead or what? There was this report he was hurt after his circus attack on the rim in garbage time, I guess it was just a bruise? Anyone?
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 23, 2009 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
awesome
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 23, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
Guarding Rose
Who might do a nice job? Miller, maybe. How about Bayless? Good grief, use the guy. What Nate gains from him defensively will offset the fact that he’s a little less reliable spotting up.
I think Kirk Hinrich would do a nice job guarding Rose.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 23, 2009 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
Good, it's finally time that he earned his $10 million per year
He has done nothing for us so far….NOTHING.
Steve Blake has done more for us than Hinrich has
That’s a fact!
Blazers win!
by The X-man on Nov 23, 2009 1:31 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
STEVE BLAKE! will ride Rose like a manatee with a saddle
Kirk Hinrich couldn’t be a ball boy for STEVE BLAKE’s! jock strap, let alone prevent a meteor from hitting the earth. How many assists does kirk hinrich have for the Blazers? huh? none, that’s right. Goose Egg. How many does STEVE BLAKE! have?
ALL OF THEM! Even when he wasn’t there he made all of the assists happen with his mind. Even pre-embyro. That’s what STEVE BLAKE! brings to the table.
Check and Mate.
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 23, 2009 1:47 AM PST up reply actions
STEVE BLAKE!
stats for today’s game
58 minutes – Nate will use STEVE BLAKE in two position simultaneously, thus doubling his awesomeness.
60 pts – 20/20 from the 3 line.
25 assists – 5 of those assists will be to himself for 3!
19 rebounds – All defensive.
10 blocked shots – all on center and pf positions.
-1 turnovers – that’s right, wrap your head around that stat Miller lover.
Book it! I’m a prophet! I’m like Hollinger’s backwards in reverse to the future!
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 23, 2009 2:22 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Jersey Contest
Ben, Dave and co, is there any chance of an update on how fixing the broken form from Saturday’s Minnesota game is going?
Dave!! who was you discribing in the introduction
Reading the article, I kept getting confused as to who he was relating to.
I have heard that Portland and Chicago’s teams was similar.
hg
on yahoo sports it says
the game is also on WGN, the Chicago station. But when I look it up on my tv, it says Funny Videos will be on instead. Crossing my fingers the game will be on.
Why all the lengthy Steve barrage?
Steve doesn’t proclaim to be a star, he is just doing his job the best he knows how. He works hard and he plays hard. He has great games and he has horrible games. He can’t create his own shot, and he doesn’t really set up other players. He just plays ball the best he can.
Guess What?
That describes most of the NBA players. Nobody but the fans and the Steve naysayers are comparing Steve and Andre. They both bring their own game to the table. Some of that is good and some of that is bad, but they both are Blazers and they both give each and every game all they have.
By Nate going with Steve as a starter isn’t declaring Steve the best, it is saying because of injuries we need Andre’s floor general ability to pump some scoring into the second unit. We need both Steve and Andre, at least until JBay is more ready. Therefore what is the beef? If we can win games with the rotation we got by putting personal where they are most needed, why are you complaining?
After the Warriors game, I would say we needed to do something and at least for one game Nate’s change worked.
The Blazers are a team, they win as a team and lose as a team. Having escape goats for every loss is just being immature in my book.
hg
Weak link is a weak link.
But what makes Steve a weak link is when he is asked to do anything more than take care of the ball, play defense as best he can and hit 40% or more of his open 3-point looks. Occasional drives to the basket, short turnaround J’s and an odd alley oop or two a game is pure bonus.
He shouldn’t be jettisoned simply because he can and should hit the three – a useful skill set. However, he shouldn’t be the primary playmaker because he isn’t a playmaker, he is a finisher from outside and a routine passer in the half court set.
Miller gets more attention because he has playmaking skills. He can beat his guy off the dribble and finish inside. He can lob pass, run the court and post up.
When you have a weak link (Blake is by far the weakest link in the starting lineup) and you have a better option available, you need to find a way to make that option function.
Unfortunately, I think integrating Miller into a starting role sans Blake would require a major offensive philosophy shift. I say unfortunate not because a shift would be a bad thing, I just don’t think this coaching staff can make it work.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 23, 2009 7:51 AM PST up reply actions
It's nice here where people don't like Blakey
On the other site ,every body likes him,thats not any fun.Dre’s the man.Where he at.Ouch, second unit.
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 23, 2009 8:01 AM PST up reply actions
It's nice here when people don't hate on any of our players
Lots of people like Blake and are disgusted at the Blake vs. Miller nonsense that some people spout. They are teammates and both want to win, and both are pulling for each other to play well. Some of the so-called fans around here want Blake to play poorly just so they can say, “I was right”. Well, they’re wrong about what being a fan is about.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
I like having an escape goat for every loss
I jump on the back of mine and ride it out of earshot of the inevitable hailstorm of negativity!
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 23, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
lol
+92
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 23, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
ESCAPE GOAT, HOOOOOOOOO.
I rode mine to the moon and am safely away from the Sergio-hate turned into Blake-hate.
My goat’s name is Buster. Buster the Greatest of All Time.
Mortimer
yes
everyone pile on the escape goat…he even has a goatee…
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 23, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
You mean scapegoat? LOL
I agree, the comments on here are really beginning to stink up the place. Especially the Steve Blake hate ones. I personally like Steve Blake 1000 times more over Miller in the starting line up. Millers inabilty to hit the 3 absolutely kills a unit with LMA, Oden, and Roy in it. Millers defender will always sag off and cause double team problems for our three star players.
Clyde the Glide, the greatest player ever
Cliff Robinson got mad at my brother who was trying to sell him a cellphone when my brother called him Uncle Cliffy. Apparently, he doesn't like that name very much.
by BeaumontTXBlazerFan on Nov 23, 2009 11:31 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
How about Greg, LMA, and BRoy with Batuum or Martell as a complimentary player?
Point guards are a dime a dozen. you can buy them anywhere. gotcha
Mills also comes to mind in the championship role.
hg
Vinnie!!!!
Don’t we argue enough on Barrett’s blog?
Your point is the point. Steve is not good at running the team. Andre is. BRoy is good at running the team. Therefore why should our two best players at running the team be in the same unit? I wouldn’t care if they put BRoy in the second unit. We just need to get the most out of both of them.
I know your beef, keep both of them in the first unit because they are the best we have, and the best should be the first. To heck with what helps us win. just keep Andre and BRoy in the game together to take each others game away and make one or the other adjust or worst make both of them adjust by taking part of their games away at different time, to the point that neither of them knew whether to pass the ball or grab their butts to protect themselves from the onslaught of the fan’s double bladed sharp tongue.
I know I haven’t the foggiest about putting teams together, but putting our best two players together to please some bodies fantasies seems asinine to me.
Maybe, if somebody could explain to me the advantage of putting Andre and BRoy together at this time in BRoy’s career, I would be less argumentive. But all I hear is Steve can’t ball. That may or may not be true, but Steve is our other point guard. If the other guard was the almighty Kirk Hinrich my argument would be the same, why put Andre and BRoy on the same team then bitch because BRoy won’t adjust to the great Andre?
hg
Couldn't resist
a good Blake Arguement. Tha,t and ,as you know, or I hope you know,I just like yankin your chain.(Stick chain).On B’s site,people are either afraid of the Scathing Vinnie ,who initially replied to Phi Slamma, or to Gary or they just think my posts are crap.Either way ,I don’t get a lot of interraction there,unless I throw out a little barb or something of that nature or say Blake Sucks or something .And if I want to have an assinine fantasiy,then I will.Just like you shouldn’t let people tell you how much to post,bud.This is America,Land of the Free, damnit .I’ll have my assinine fantasy and you can post 20 times aday.
All joking aside,I don’t disagree with you as long as Steve is getting the big guys involved and scoring,I’m ok with him starting or we could trade him for “The Answer”.I’m sorry,I just can’t keep it serious today.Just havin fun.Not meant to be at your expense.
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 23, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Warning: Ranting ahead.
This Steve Blake/Andre Miller debate looks familiar.
Lets see…
Telfair/Jack
Jack/Sergio
Sergio/Bayless
Bayless/everybody
It’s not as though Blake is terrible and Miller is awesome. But that’s exactly how fans take sides. It’s how people take sides. The same thing happens in politics, and both sides lose. Blake and Miller are on the same team, working towards the same goal. Both have different skill sets, different strengths and weaknesses. It’s not about who is better, it’s about whose strengths are necessary at the cost of which weaknesses.
Now whether Miller’s strengths are more necessary or Blake’s, that is an interesting argument, and a fair position can be taken on either side. But saying, Miller’s got to start because Steve Blake sucks makes it difficult to have any conversation at all. One either says, “Yep, that’s right” (and the conversation ends), or “Nope, that’s wrong” (and the conversation either ends, or repeats incessantly like a child’s argument).
Fortunately there have been some who have made good arguments on both sides. And not just for Blake, but for Nate and Outlaw as well. I like to hear the reasons, it makes me think. But the drowning roar of “Blake sucks,” or “Nate sucks,” or “Outlaw sucks” is stifling what makes Blazers’ Edge a great place. That can go the other way as well. Just saying, “Blake is good” or “Nate is good,” or “Outlaw is good,” doesn’t make good conversation. It’s fine to be critical, it’s fine to praise, it’s fine to have an opinion, but if there’s no substance behind it, it’s pretty boring to read. And if it’s boring to read, most people aren’t going to bother. And if no one is going to bother to read, then how can any response happen? How can any growing in understanding happen?
We all know that Blogabull can sometimes be a pretty negative place to visit. They hate their coach, they hate their ownership, they hate some of their players. But dang if they don’t have a better reason to do so than we do. In comparison, we’re looking pretty whiny, spoiled and much louder about it. We may be contenders in the future, but we aren’t there yet. There’s still a lot of work to do. So calling for the coach’s head, or Miller to start may be fine, but doing so in a way that encourages conversation and examining other perspectives makes for infinitely better reading.
/end T Darkstar’s crazy rant.
πάτερ, ἄφες αὐτοῖς, οὐ γὰρ οἴδασιν τί ποιοῦσιν.
by T Darkstar on Nov 23, 2009 8:47 AM PST reply actions 8 recs
Flagged for talking about posters instead of basketball.
πάτερ, ἄφες αὐτοῖς, οὐ γὰρ οἴδασιν τί ποιοῦσιν.
Flagged for having script in your sig that simultaneously befuddles and bewilders me.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Nov 23, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
"Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing"
Words of Christ on the cross. He’s in some kind of ministerial internship or something.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Jesus was in some kind of ministerial internship when he was on the cross?
Did he at least get an incomplete? Not his fault he couldn’t finish his internship.
M—
He would have finished it out
If he came back on the second day instead. He was partying in Cabo though…pictures to follow.
Intentional misinterpretation FTW
I do it to everyone else all the time, I can’t complain when you do it to me. Besides, it served me right for sloppy wording.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
I gave him a rec too
Even though he’s an evil mod.
by tominhawaii on Nov 23, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Aw, shucks.
You shouldn’t go about giving me delusions of grandeur like that.
πάτερ, ἄφες αὐτοῖς, οὐ γὰρ οἴδασιν τί ποιοῦσιν.
I tried to rec this
I might have accidentally flagged it….oh well
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 23, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Is their better reason because they are .500 against a stronger schedule and our team is .750 against a very easy one?
That line confused me a little. We have many of the same problems Chicago does, just not quite as extreme.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 23, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
so what T Darkstar is saying is
BEdgers suck?
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 23, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
The Blazers Offense
I thought about making this a fanpost, but with all the posts up right now about the team I didn’t want to add to the clutter. So I will just let my feelings out here in the pre-game thread.
This summer I had high hopes for the Blazers, Oden’s improvement, the Miller signing, losing Sergio and Frye, all of these pointed to a much better offensive team if the coaching staff could change the offense to maximize these new strengths. Watching the preseason I was really encouraged at how the team was feeding the ball to Greg and then playing off him. Eventhough the wins and losses where not the best, I felt that it was the right way for this team to get better and compete for a championship eventually. But once the games started counting Nate threw in the towel before the bell rang and reverted back to the 08-09 offense.
We have said it and heard it before, for this team to compete for a championship they can not be just a jump shooting team. They need to get some easy buckets, either on the break or in the paint. They have two players they will get them some easy buckets, in Greg and LMA, yet they rarely go to them! LMA is shooting just a hair under 50% and from the field, 81% from the line, yet he is only taking 12 shots a game, and only 36% of those shots are inside the paint, where he is shooting 67%. The rest are long jumpers which he is only hitting at a 39% clip. 82games.com This team needs him in the paint scoring those easy baskets, he should be avg at least 15 shots per game, and of those at least 10 should be in the paint. Coach Nate said after last Saturday’s game that he wants to keep either LMA or Greg in with the second unit. That sounds good to me if they can keep LMA down on the block and not shooting 20 foot jumpers off the pick and pop.
As for Greg, well he is shooting 62% on the year, yet he is only getting 7.1 shots per game and is only playing 24.2 mins per game. Some of the problem is his continued foul problems in the early season, however even when he is not in foul trouble Nate is pulling him early and playing him only 24 mins per game on avg. Don’t we all remember the preseason? When the team fed Greg the ball and he responded with high percentage shot after high percentage shot? In case some forgot, he avg 22.7mins/game, 14.2ppg, 9.7rpg, 1.3bpg, 3fouls/game (as of Oct 20th, I couldn’t find more preseason stats after that date). Avg that out to 30 mins a night and you have a 18/13/2 monster on the low block.
So what happened? Well the shots well dried up for Greg, thats what. If you look at the Blazers shot stats you can see that this team is not getting the ball to the most effective players enough, and in fact the most ineffective players are lauching way too many shots. Miller is shooting 9 times a game at barely 40%, Outlaw was taking 9 shots a game at barely 40%, Blake is taking 8 shots a game at under 38% and Webster is taking 6 shots per game at under 38%. Now some may say that most of Blakes and Websters shots have been from 3, so that percentage is not as bad as it looks. Well I would say that the overall number of 3’s taken by the Blazers is far too many, 19 3 point shots per game about 4 too many in my opinion. This team has shooters, but instead of using their shooters to space the floor for their bigs, they are using their bigs to space the floor for their shooters! What I mean is, Blake should be on the floor to force the defense to give Oden, Roy, and LMA room to get a high percentage shot. But right now it looks, feels, and smells like Roy, Oden and LMA are on the floor to get Blake, Webster and Rudy an open 3 point shot. That is not how you win championships, and it is why we will never hear the end of Charles Barkley’s rants about Portland being a jump shooting team.
Roy is only taking 15 shots a game, he needs to take 18 minimum, LMA needs 15 minimum, and Oden needs 10 minimum. Everyone else needs to feed off of these 3, instead of the other way around. The coaching staff needs to make it happen, not the players. Too often the players look confused as to the offensive set, and that confusion leads to the wrong player taking the wrong shot. If you look at other teams in the NBA with championship asperations you will see that their most effecitve offensive players are taking the most shots, there is a reason for this and the Blazers need to discover how to get their best players the ball in scoring postions on offense or this team will do no better than last year.
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by usmcr3049 on Nov 23, 2009 8:56 AM PST reply actions 9 recs
Rec'd first for not making a new fanpost.
Then rec’d for a well argued post.
Except I only have one rec to give. Hmm.
πάτερ, ἄφες αὐτοῖς, οὐ γὰρ οἴδασιν τί ποιοῦσιν.
Although I was vehemently opposed to most of the ideas in his post, I was empathetic towards your limited number of recs.
We were 9 – 6 at this point in the schedual last year. We are now 10 – 5!!!
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Nov 23, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
Don't know if I agree with all of it either.
But it was well presented and made me consider things that I hadn’t before.
πάτερ, ἄφες αὐτοῖς, οὐ γὰρ οἴδασιν τί ποιοῦσιν.
Take another look at that schedule.
This season our first 15 games have been against weaker opponents, on average.
"...the rumblings grew louder. Dribble. Dribble. Fake. Dribble. Fake. Shoot. ...a towering dark shadow too terrible to describe. In its hand it held a huge black globe and on its chest was written in cruel runes, 'Villanova.' 'Aiyee,' shouted Legolam. 'A ballhog!'"
"I regret that I only have one rec to give to my website"
I think that was said by JFK….or maybe it was Howie Mandel …either way it is true …sooo true
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 23, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Part of the problem with regards to this quote...
If you look at other teams in the NBA with championship asperations you will see that their most effecitve offensive players are taking the most shots
…is that our players are so dang young and brimming with that dirty “p” word. Matt Bonner has accepted his limitations, knows what he can and can’t do well, and doesn’t stray outside those limits. Ditto for Derek Fisher, or Mickael Pietrus, or Sheed. Every championship contender has those veteran role players who have been in the league long enough to have carved themselves a niche, and within that niche they perform very well.
We have exactly one guy by my count like that: Joel. Blake doesn’t qualify in my book because too often this season he’s tried to make plays that he’s simply not capable of making on a regular basis. Martell, Rudy, Bayless, even Travis to a certain extent — none of those guys think that they’ve hit the ceiling on their potential. It’s exceedingly difficult as a young, talented guy to defer to a player your age or younger — even if you know that they’re the better option most of the time — when you feel like you could be doing more with more minutes, more touches, more shots, etc.
That’s a big reason why we miss Batum as much as we do. Batum always played within his known boundaries and in fact probably did so too much, but having a rotation player who was always willing to defer to Roy/Aldridge/Oden and take his opportunities as they came was invaluable for us IMO.
It’s a difficult situation for both the players and the coaching staff. How do you strike the balance between letting your young, talented supporting cast make plays that force the defense to react and pay attention to them instead of your primary scorers and having that talented supporting cast rein in their offensive opportunities for the good of the team? I’m not sure I have the answer, but it’s something interesting to think about.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 23, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
I didn't think of it this way
but you bring up a good point. However Miller, Blake and Joel have all been around long enough to know better, and the coaching staff should be reinforcing this all the time by the play calls that are made.
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When you say "the coaching staff needs to make it happen"
you mean Nate. He is failing miserably. You are completely right: ALL offense should run thru the big 3. Why is this so obvious to us untrained, armchair heathens?
Nate is a good man, but unfortunately, not the right coach for this team.
by RenoBlazerFan on Nov 23, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
combinations
For me, it is about who is on the court together. I like Roy with shooters (yes, even Blake) and with Oden. I also like Miller with shooters and with Oden. I don’t like Roy together with Miller or Bayless. All players looking to create and kick. How many times this year have you seen Roy drive and kick to a wide open Miller in the corner at 3-pt range? Miller usually just passes out of it or throws up a brick. He is not valuable it that is the way Nate wants to run the offense.
Excellent points
We go away from LMA and GO when they should be dominating.Nate was big on the three when he played.Its all about percentages .Closer to the hoop ,better chances,Better chance of going to the line.Simple as that,except who’s the facilitator,Blake…………………….Hmmm.
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 23, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
NO OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS
Greg NEEDS to do a good job guarding Noah. He’s also very active so he has to be careful of foul trouble.
I'd wish you all luck tonight
Except that this is one of the few nights I actually want you guys to lose. :)
At least I’m off tomorrow, so your darn 9:00 pm central start time won’t kill me.
Just waiting on some offense....
I have to say
Every time we play the Bulls, I think of the crappy first SNES NBA game, Bulls vs. Blazers and the NBA Finals.
Difference is, we beat them now.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I predict that if Steve Blake has an above-average night and makes 3's, people will love Steve Blake
I predict that if he shoots closer to his career %, then people will call for his head.
Honestly who cares about wins and losses, it’s more fun to argue about Blake.
Blazer Fan
Blake? Miller?
curses to the lot of you for not just trading for Kirk Hinrich. We’d all be happier.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 23, 2009 11:54 AM PST reply actions
Away with your curses
This is a family friendly site.
I sincerely hope you guys win one of your next two games, but it isn’t this one. Hopefully Oden draws six fouls on all of your big men in the first half, so they’ll be well rested for Utah.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Taj will foul out in a quarter.
though between him and Oden it may be a race to the bench.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 23, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Greg's been doing a little better on fouls
We’ll see.
But tell me this. Half of the guys around here have been lusting for Hinrich as if he was a James Bond girl or something. “We should have traded for him at the deadline last year, etc, etc”.
Was he ever available, do you think? And if so, what would have been the cost? Or was it all just a sweet dream? I always thought it was just Internet rumor, and that it would have cost us Rudy and other players as well as Raef’s expiring contract, and you guys would have dumped Luol and his ugly contract on us. What do you think?
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
who knows
there is the cynical belief that the Bulls will never ever trade Hinrich for anything no matter what.
Then again, reports were that they were trying to give him to Minn. last trade deadline for expirings, and the Wolves refused. Then by letting Gordon walk they sort of talked themselves into Hinrich again. And he’s back to not being particularly good after a good end of last season.
I don’t know how the league values the guy, as it always seems like the Bulls REALLY like him. And if they could get him off the books, it shouldn’t be that hard. But maybe he’s simply viewed as overpaid even as a starting PG around the league, so moving that money isn’t as easy as one would think.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 23, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
I've always found it interesting that Bulls fans don't see him as being outrageously overpriced
while we love him to death here. Could it be that Outlaw has a similar polarizing views outside our fandom? (although right now Outlaw could be ordained St. Outlaw and no one would complain)
WOW
HE’S YOUR STEVE BLAKE!!!! (I never use all caps, sorry, couldn’t help myself.)
1. Your fans cynically believe he will be on your team when he is 99 and can’t walk without a cane anymore.
2. Your fans think your team overrates him no matter what.
3. Your fans think your team values him more than anyone else in the league would.
4. Your fans thought that they were trying to get rid of him, but now are hanging onto him even though he isn’t playing very well.
5. Your fans know he played well last year but don’t think it is repeatable.
NOW I UNDERSTAND!!!
Everyone who wants Hinrich says he’s Blake, but even more, and you confirm it for us! Thanks so much!
I hope you have a happy season after tonight. I really do like your team after they lose this one. Hopefully by the team we come to Chicago we’ll be leading division by 8, and can afford to give you a game.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 23, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I thought the exact same thing.
Then I see you’ve already gone through the trouble of typing my response. Just what I would expect from a future world dictator leader.
πάτερ, ἄφες αὐτοῖς, οὐ γὰρ οἴδασιν τί ποιοῦσιν.
yeah, but did your team give Blake a 5 year contract extension?
he’s better than Blake, but then paid like it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 23, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
No, but even better
We decided to pay a couple of GOOD players named Roy and Aldridge.
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 23, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
I'm one of those who'd like to have seen that trade
We know he’s pretty good on the defensive end. My question is, can Hinrich actually shoot. Seems like he’s struggling from the field this year. Maybe not the first time he’s done that. Is he just not getting good clean looks, or just bricking good shots?
blake v. rose and webster v. salmons are the key matchups
the other wing players can give lots of help d though because chicago doesnt shoot threes well. i wouldnt mind seeing dante cunningham take juwans minutes but tonight they may need juwans physicality and rebounding (6 boards in about 12 minutes aint bad) because of joakim noah’s presence.
cash rules everything around me CREAM get tha money dolla dolla bill yaaaaallll
by staceyaugmon4HOF on Nov 23, 2009 1:20 PM PST reply actions
DC
I think Dante looked good last game and plus we need more offense than Juwan gives.Is it just me or his jumper just plain awkward lookin.Looks like a Chris Dudley free throw.
nothing is as awkward
as a Chris Dudley free throw. Except maybe Hinrich in a leotard.
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 23, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
Got that beat
Ok,Charles Barkley golf swing
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 23, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
hinrich = blake
check and mate.
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 23, 2009 5:37 PM PST reply actions
Oh Sweet
NBA TV is blacked out again. Man if they could now just black out KGW games I could miss them all. Comcast can’t die fast enough. :(

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