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Mr. McMillan, meet Reality.

 

Okay, it has been a long time since I've posted on this site - I believe it was during the playoffs last season, so forgive me if this topic is a total rehash of others. I knew this would be too long to be a comment by itself so I decided to put it up as a post. Also forgive the length! Wow, I had no idea I had this much to say when I started.

As you will have noticed from the title, I'm not too thrilled with Nate McMillan's in-game decisions as of late... Well, I'll be honest: I have to expand that to his general decisions and the direction he seems to be going right now. Read on if you're interersted.



Star-divide

Problem 1: Our All-Star Shooting Guard is not a Small Forward and is not excelling in that position.

Yes Brandon is sized similarly to a lot of guys at the 3 so that he shouldn’t have to be facing guys with a large height advantage over him most nights, and it will only be those bigger guys who will really give him fits - like Gerald Wallace - but Brandon has distinguished himself in the league as a 2 and he would be best utilized at the position of 2 not at the 3. Some believe that it shouldn’t be a big deal for Brandon to be playing the 3. I don’t think they have taken into account how much Brandon has exploited the size differences he’s had against other 2 guards up until now. Placing Brandon at the Small Forward position takes away the strength advantage and height advantage Roy is so used to having. Brandon is not well-equipped to defend at the SF position. He’s relatively small and he’s never been known as a fast guy who can keep fast guys in front of him. Roy simply doesn’t have the physical strength or the length necessary to bother guys like Carmelo Anthony who he will likely have to play the next time we meet Denver if McMillan sticks with the current lineup. Sure, Brandon has shown some inspiring stretches and moments on defense, but have those been against anyone at the SF position? The defensive highlight that comes to my mind as the best example of Roy’s ability to play defense was the blocked shot against Joe Johnson in a game last season (if I am remembering that correctly). Roy played Johnson to a stand-still and was excellent in that moment when the game was on the line, but Roy has never been the guy that brings that sort of intensity on the defensive end of the floor for 48 minutes and even if he was, I don’t know if he would be capable of sustaining that sort of effort while trying to do the same on the offensive end of the floor as well, nor should he have to. I don’t think I need to mention that Joe Johnson is not a 3.

Another issue with moving Brandon to the 3 while trying to gently work Miller into the starting lineup is that it is too much change at once for Roy to absorb. Nate has taken a player that is used to being the one with the ball in their hands, the star shooting guard that creates the offense who is very capable of taking advantage of mismatches by exploiting his strength over other 2s and he's made him to play a game that is essentially reversed every single aspect of his game that has enabled him to be an offensive power in the league. No ball in his hands to create on offense and pitted against same size or bigger guys who he can’t really overpower to get his shot off. It is no wonder to me that he’s been left really trying to figure out what his role is in this new scheme of things.

The last part of problem number one isn’t as big of an issue for the team, but it may be a big issue for Brandon’s mentality going forward and is something to consider: Brandon may even miss the All-Star game completely if he continues to play from the SF instead of the SG spot as the coaches aren't going to vote him into a position he hasn't been playing leading up to the All-Star break and he’s not at the top of the list of Small Forwards to be sure.

 

Problem 2: The three-guard lineup has really not worked out well.

In fact, I'd venture to guess that the only reason it has worked at all is because we are playing sub-par, no, absolutely horrible teams and just about any lineup Nate could throw together would beat the likes of Minnesota or Memphis.

There are arguments that say, well we’re without Travis and Batum so we’re short at the three and that is why things are staying this way. It may be why Nate is sticking with this lineup, but I don’t believe for a minute that it is the best decision, regardless of how poorly Webster is playing at the moment, after all, what is the difference between Blake playing the two and not hitting any shots and Webster playing the three and not hitting any shots? If both Blake and Webster are non-existent offensively speaking, then it shouldn’t matter which one is in the starting lineup. That discounts Webster’s better defense however and therein is another reason the three-guard lineup just isn’t going to work: Both Rudy and Webster can play the three and one of them would be an improvement over Blake whether you favor offense or defense. All I know is that putting the issue of Blake vs. Miller – which I will talk about in a moment – finally to rest in favor of Miller would allow our best three currently available to play as the best three currently available and put our star 2 back where he’s been successful his entire career.

 

Problem 3: Nate needs to wake up and realize he can't live out his dream to be the starting PG for the Sonics vicariously through Steve Blake.

Steve Blake is a better than average PG in the NBA, however he is not as good as Andre Miller at distributing the ball or scoring. It was reported that the Blazers signed Miller to be another creator that can get into the paint and score in order to take some pressure off of Roy over the length of the season. Another reported benefit which we were to expect is that he is an excellent distributor and has great court vision with the ability to run the fast break better than Roy or Blake. As far as I know, I think there was also the issue of what he could do to improve the ability to get the ball into the post to Oden and Aldridge. Miller creates an offense that usually features guys moving around which allows for penetration and easy looks, not standing around because the ball is being held at the top of the floor for 13 seconds out of 24 which was a major problem for the Blazers last season.

 So far, there have been only a couple of games that McMillan has allowed Miller to play as Miller has proven he can play throughout his career and as far as I remember those games went pretty well. When Miller is running the offense without a lot of interference, Oden get the benefit of getting the ball in his hands down low, Aldridge gets to take advantage of his ability to run the court faster than anyone that can guard him in transition and Roy doesn’t have to take a beating like a rented mule every night. The only foreseeable problem in my mind with a lineup of Oden, Aldridge, Webster (or Fernandez), Roy and Miller would be the adjustment that Roy needs to make in learning how to be more active without the ball to get easy baskets around the rim or to get open on the wings – something every great player that wants to win a championship eventually needs to do and just a slightly easier transition than his current assignment.

Nate has made statements – as well as Roy – that Miller would be better with the second unit because that unit could be the really active and fast unit that needs a better ball distributor. I do believe that they’ve made the choice to keep Blake in the starting lineup for two reasons and neither of them have anything to do with Miller being a better fit in the second unit. Nate has publicly stated that ever since he was a PG on the Sonics and they brought in Gary Paton to replace him in the starting five without allowing him the ability to fight for the position, he’s been the type of guy to shy away from doing that as he thinks it was a mistake on the part of the Sonics. While I can sympathize with the frustration I am sure he felt in that situation, I do not agree that the approach he has taken in regards to the addition of Miller to the team has been a healthy alternative at all. In Seattle Nate had a reasonable case against Payton being named the starter without having played a single NBA game. That isn’t the case with Andre Miller and it simply cannot be said that the situations were similar on any level. McMillan may see things differently, but Miller has statistically out-performed Blake nearly every year of his career in most categories except perhaps three-point percentage. Here are the details courtesy of www.nba.com

Steve Blake Career Averages:

G

GS

MPG

FG%

3P%

FT%

OFF

DFF

RPG

APG

SPG

BPG

TO

PF

PPG

433

275

25.6

0.407

0.390

0.789

0.3

1.8

2.1

4.2

0.7

0.1

1.44

1.51

7.6

 

Andre Miller Career Averages:

G

GS

MPG

FG%

3P%

FT%

OFF

DFF

RPG

APG

SPG

BPG

TO

PF

PPG

829

777

34.8

0.459

0.208

0.802

1.2

3.0

4.2

7.3

1.4

0.2

2.69

2.48

14.5

 

Steve Blake is excellent at running an offense that needs a calm and steady hand, one that features players who may not have the best shot selection like Outlaw or one that tends to have more turnover problems when running as a rookie like Cunningham or a young and over-aggressive SG like Bayless (assuming Rudy gets the nod for the 3 spot with the starting group) and he would fit with Webster as they’ve played well together before. In my mind, there is no really significant reason that can be pointed to that is keeping Steve Blake in the starting five beyond McMillan’s preference, except maybe Brandon Roy’s opinion.

I don’t think anyone needs to be reminded of the details about Brandon’s penchant for playing along-side Steve Blake. He is obviously comfortable with Blake for several reasons, which are understandable, but the limitations and knocks on the team about not having a second scorer in the paint and not being able to get easy baskets aren’t going to go away with Steve running the point. Miller is the better guard plain and simple.

I am hoping that Roy, having now played more than half of his time of this young season at the three and not getting any positive traction in that role, will see the benefits that Andre is providing for Greg (when he’s allowed in the game which is point 4) and LaMarcus and realize that Miller is the best fit overall for the team’s success and let McMillan know that he is fine with Blake coming off the bench. So far I’m not sure he’s been able to get out of his usual introspective mode long enough to notice that LaMarcus and Oden excel when Miller is in the game, but I’m sure he’s going to realize it soon. This should be the last straw that breaks McMillan’s determination to have Blake in the starting five and when that happens, I think we’ll finally see some dependable cohesion and fluidity to the offense.

 

Problem 4: As alluded to above, Oden needs to be in the game more. Nate is not his baby-sitter and Oden shouldn’t be treated like a child to be managed rather than a man that needs to and is capable of learning.

Since the new rule of “one foul per quarter” was implemented, I’ve seen some upside and some definite downside. The upside is that Oden comes into the game in the second half as fresh as the first spring daisy after a soft rain shower. He dominates the other team’s bigs because they are at this point starting to get a little tired. And while that is all well and fine, it would be very deceptive list as a benefit entirely. The list of reasons this idea will be detrimental in the long-term is longer than the single potential benefit in the short-term. For one thing, Oden looked out of sorts in the second-half of the game against Golden State when he finally came back in. Despite being dominant in the first quarter with the limited time McMillan allowed him when he did come back in the team didn’t use him because without him and LaMarcus in the game during the second quarter, they had no post presence defensively or offensively and things had deteriorated to where they weren’t able to really establish themselves again in the game.

However, beyond the Golden State debacle, there is an underlying problem with yanking Oden out of the game when he gets quick fouls. He’s never going to learn to play through it. Yeah he might have a lapse in the minutes where both teams are trying to establish themselves, their positions on the floor and getting into a rhythm, but that doesn’t mean he’s going to continue to foul. Nate needs to let Greg figure it out for himself and if that means that Greg fouls out of a couple games, then so be it. Taking him out of the game is basically telling him that his coach doesn’t think he’s capable of playing the game without causing problems. In the long run is that the message you want your starting center who is supposed to be able to dominate defensively and be an offensive threat in the post? “You’re not capable of learning how to play through this, so I won’t let you try.”

Greg’s presence in the middle has been a boon to every aspect of the team’s defense. Pryzbilla is a good defensive center, but Oden is exceptional even as a second year player in the NBA. Yes, we may have to not have him for a key stretch or two of a few games during the season because he’s still learning not to foul, but in the long run, isn’t that better than delaying the inevitable by keeping him on the bench for amazingly long stretches of games? Greg isn’t a child and McMillan shouldn’t be taking a punitive approach to how he allots minutes if he wants to field the best team they can.

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I totally agree with all three of these points

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Mark my words... Dante Cunningham will be an all star

by roynfernandez on Nov 21, 2009 3:24 PM PST reply actions  

Ummm... There were four points

Which one did you disagree/not care about?

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Nov 22, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that is because almost isn't good enough.

Blake shot 3 of 11 in that game.

What ifs can never be proven, but I would imagine that Roy at the 2 with Rudy at the 3 would have been an improvement.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Nov 21, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps

But you have to admit that the three guard starting lineup won seven games and lost two. And it goes beyond that.

In the game they lost in Atlanta, to the hottest team in the league, on the road, that three guard lineup built an early lead. The starting lineup was very effective — we lost for other reasons. We could debate those reasons, but we can’t deny that the starting five was working.

In the game they lost at Golden State, it was the same — the starting lineup took the game to the Warriors in the first quarter.

In the game we almost blew at home against Detroit, it was the same.

Now, I do not like that starting lineup. I much prefer to see Webster starting. I wouldn’t mind seeing three guards with Rudy and Roy as two of them. I think with the twin towers of Aldridge and Oden to patrol the inside and get some rebounds that a three guard lineup can be devastatingly effective. But I do not like starting two PGs.

But even though I don’t like that lineup, I can’t deny that the team defense was excellent, the ball movement was usually good, and they were very, very effective as starters together, even in the games we lost. The problems came later in the game.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Nov 23, 2009 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

What would you say was the problem that happened later in the game?

I agree that a three-guard lineup with one true PG would be a good offensive unit.

And correct me if I’m wrong in this: In the 7 games played, wasn’t Miller the one to initiate the offense in that three-guard scheme most of the time?

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Nov 23, 2009 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Answers

First, in any game there are many problems. Even in the best games. So you can’t really blame one thing. But I’ll give you my opinion as to the biggest single problem in the three games that we lost/almost lost.

Atlanta — fatigue. I think we simply ran out of gas in the third quarter. There were many things we could have done that would have brought us a win anyway, but that was the biggest one.

Detroit — lack of preparation on dealing with the trap. We obviously didn’t know how to play against it. This is largely on Steve, though — he had some horrible, horrible turnovers, not what you expect from a steady hands vet. He looked like a rookie against the trap. (I would have liked Nate to put in Andre and Jerryd, have Andre bring it up, pass to Jerryd, and have Jerryd drive with abandon towards the hoop. The best way to beat the trap is attack it, and Jerryd would have been crazy and inexperienced enough to just go at it. I suspect he’d have destroyed it about four times, scoring once, getting fouled once, and throwing up one brick that Oden would have cleaned up. End of trap.)

Golden State — In my mind, this one is on Nate. They were defenceless inside in the first half. Mikki Moore was on the bench. We should have pounded them inside continually in the first half, and instead we had Joel and Juwan out there. Since LMA had two fouls in the first quarter, Greg should have played out the quarter. He might have had 18-20 points by the time the quarter was done, and Anthony Randolph would have been in foul trouble, too. Then, we should have had LMA/Joel at the start of the second, and rested Greg, and been taking it inside to LaMarcus for six minutes, even if he got his third foul. Then, we should have had Greg and Juwan the last six minutes to protect LMA on fouls — the one thing Juwan does well is entry passes to Greg. Taking it inside with Greg/LMA/Greg for the entire first half would have had them begging for mercy, and we’d have been shooting free throws forever — ESPECIALLY since the refs were calling fouls all over the place.

Instead, we played into their hands, because the only thing they had going was quickness and shooting, and we played a game that let them use those to their advantage, rather than punishing them for lack of size. And Miller and Howard turned into a combined turnover machine, and Brandon lost his head because of some bad calls, and Ellis used his quickness to negate Brandon’s greatest strength (driving to the hoop), and our ball movement died, and Martell looked horrible, and just about everything else that could go wrong did. But I think the biggest thing, and the thing that all on its own probably would have turned the game, was the failure to keep going into the post when they only had eight players, and one of them was sick, picked up three fouls in six minutes, and never came back. They should have been forced to defend inside all night, and they weren’t.

Now, I think a three-guard lineup can be a good defensive unit, too. What you give up in size, you gain in quickness, and the presence of Oden (especially) greatly increases the possibility that if you post up one of our guards, the help is going to arrive just in time to reject your shot.

And finally this. Yes, Miller was the PG in our three guard lineup. Not sure the point of that question.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Nov 23, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Just curious to see if I was remembering things correctly.

And thanks for your answer. It makes sense to me.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Nov 23, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Too often

towards the end of games, the Blazers sit there and shoot jumpers the entire 4th quarter while the other teams strategy is to charge the rim and pickup buckets/fouls. For some reason Nate is not telling his guys to do this or they are not listening. Either way, it’s his responsibility to keep the game.

Has anyone watched the 2001 WCF’s over there? Thats an important lesson in Blazer history that needs to be learned from and Nate hasn’t even watched the tape. If the refs decide to swallow their whistles like that day, we cannot sit back and put 0 pressure for them to use them. We got the perfect guy coaching to have that scenario repeat itself. A coach who is in love with the jumper. Hopefully he wises up to that soon.

If the Blazers attacked the hoop, 3 guard line-up or not, they might be sitting here with a win over GS and two over the Hawks. 12-2. The Blazers talent had them ahead big in all of these games. The allowing of jumper after jumper has lost the game for them. The philosophy is opposite as most teams. The Hawks are #1 in the league in the paint. I don’t see them as having superior talent up front to do this, rather a philosphy that say attack, attack, attack.

Nate’s playing his Rashard & Allen ball that didn’t win hip a championship. Allen went on to win one and Rashard was runner up last year. He’s had the talent, wrong philosophy. Wrong subs. Wrong gameplans.

His gameplan is weird. Run the ball up the court and if nothing is there, wait until the end of the clock. I get it, but its not nice when you see wide open 3s, or shots get turned down for a crappier shot with time running out.

Land Rondo.

"He needs to realize that he can't stop every shot, especially from a smaller and offensively potent player. Get your hands up, make him shoot it over you, but let him shoot every once in a while. They score a little but you stay in the game a lot. And when you stay in the game...smashy smashy!" Dave on Greg Oden

by loyal_blazer on Nov 21, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a bad strategy against pressure defenses

When you are passing up shots and not attacking much early in the shot clock, it means the other team’s defense can get really aggressive without giving up the easy baskets that often result from being too aggressive. The end result is that the Blazers can’t get their offense flowing and turn the ball over a lot. Every time other teams start putting in some effort and using a pressure defense the Blazers start to struggle.

by trk on Nov 21, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, this was another thing I have had on my mind.

I forgot to put it in, thanks for posting!

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Nov 21, 2009 4:29 PM PST reply actions  

Rec

Nate is a good man, but unfortunately, not the right coach for this team. What happened in the 2nd quarter against Golden State on November 20?

by RenoBlazerFan on Nov 21, 2009 5:28 PM PST reply actions  

Brilliantly Written Post!!!!!!!!!

 "You’re not capable of learning how to play through this, so I won’t let you try."
Man, that breaks my heart!!!!!

by blaze1 on Nov 21, 2009 6:19 PM PST reply actions  

Thank you!

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Nov 21, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec for this line alone, which seems to somehow be right on the money...
Problem 3: Nate needs to wake up and realize he can’t live out his dream to be the starting PG for the Sonics vicariously through Steve Blake.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Nov 21, 2009 8:31 PM PST reply actions  

How? That one confused me

Since nate WAS the starting PG for the Sonics till GP showed up…

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Nov 22, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

That is my point: GP showed up and took his spot.

He doesn’t feel he got the opportunity to keep his spot which is a large part of why he handled the situation between Blake and Miller the way he has. It really doesn’t come down to which is best, but rather a sign of loyalty and respect by McMillan for Steve simply because he’s been here.

That’s why I said he’s living vicariously through Steve. He’s applying how he felt about GP taking over without competing for the spot to the Blazer’s situation which is totally different.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Nov 22, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions  

sooooo true

i agree

The only reason i shoot 3's is cuz there ain't no such thing as 4's.

by cpt.morgan.ahoy! on Nov 23, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I can't stand these talking ball commercials!

With this guy, they should rename the show talking nostrils. Do I have to look up this guy’s nose every fifteen minutes, really?

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Nov 21, 2009 9:51 PM PST reply actions  

I know, totally random.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Nov 21, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

But I'm right there with you

Capital D, capital Bag.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Nov 22, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

I first suspected there might be a coaching problem on friday when Nate kept in Miller who was having a terrible night and did not put in Bayless until it was already too late.

by MercuryPDX on Nov 21, 2009 10:12 PM PST reply actions  

Able in sight

Very much appreciate the time and effort you devoted to this post Seljeff – you bring a lot together and are spot on with calm reasons for a whole great portion of the mess. We have 15 mighty fine players on our Blazers. Generally speaking it is the Coaches job in my mind to get them ready for games mentally, physically and whatever; identify the concerns and address them; prepare the big picture plan for each game. So far it seems too often that it could and should have been done a good deal better. As players can be expected to learn from experience, so also should the Coach. Golden State was the most painful to watch game of my life. Some insight toward redemption appeared by magic against the Wolves. It certainly would be great for all if Martell could continue to approach his level of tonight.

by blazer_believer on Nov 22, 2009 12:55 AM PST reply actions  

The stats say...

The three guard lineup with Roy at SF went 194-154 in 96 minutes. Thats on pace to win by 20 points a game. That lineup worked.

All the other lineups working well have 3 perimeter guys, counting Webster that way in some of them.
It is not that big a change to go back to the past,except for Miller.

Roy did a fine job defending the SF spot.

Keep 3 guard lineups in general. This particular one might be useful again later.

by StatRaven on Nov 22, 2009 1:00 AM PST reply actions  

What the bleep do you mean

when you said “Roy did a fine job defending the SF spot” ? He just let a guy like Morrow score more than him and more efficently. Roy lost quite a bit of weight over the summer so he isn’t strong enough any more. We lose his ability to create shots for others when he plays SF. Face it, Roy is part of the problem. He, like Blake, does not know how to pass to the bigs in the post. If he won’t attack the basket then we have now one else that will. Certainly not Blake and now with Miller benched we will need more of Oden and less of Blake and Roy jacking up 3s.
By the way did we win any big game with this 3 guard lineup? San Antonio you say? Well they have lost all their road games this year so they don’t count. The rest are Sota x3, Memphis, Charlotte, Hornets, Detroit and OKC. We have yet to be tested and when we have, we lost!

by VinnyB on Nov 22, 2009 2:37 AM PST reply actions  

Morrow is a guard

They were playing a three guard lineup against us, because all their forwards are injured. The fact that Morrow scored is irrelevant to the question of whether Roy defends SF well.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Nov 23, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

What I mean

82games estimates Roy is only giving up 44% eFG% allowed when at SF and a PER allowed of less than 13 which is less than average period, especially against starters. He did even better st SF last season.

They won the time this 3 guard lineup was on the court by the equivalent of +20 per 48 minutes. That’s huge. That’s all this lineup could do and did. What happened in the other minutes is the responsibility of other lineups.

That’s what the bleep I mean.

by StatRaven on Nov 22, 2009 10:58 AM PST reply actions  

By the way

Brandon’s offensive stats are far better at SF than SG so far this season.
Last season they were even.

They want to put him back at SG. Fine. But it is not because of bad numbers.

by StatRaven on Nov 22, 2009 11:01 AM PST reply actions  

interesting points

but some are not quite so acurate…
Your first point about b-roy is legitimate but the complaint about defense isn’t great.
I dont know if u remember, but in the 07-08 season the blazer had their 13 game winning streak. In that streak they played Denver (Carmelo Anthony) and at the buzzer Brandon roy capped Carmelo Anthony’s shot. Yes, I know, it could be justified that Carmelo was just throwing up a desperate attempt which made it easier for Roy, but i think that if he got motivated he could do that in the game when it isn’t so desperate.

by B-Roy_jr on Nov 22, 2009 12:45 PM PST reply actions  

you are talking about one play

yes, Roy is capable of playing good efense when he gets his mind set to do it. Unfortunately, we have yet to see him consistently apply that on any regular basis. Watch him play defense in the halfcourt, he’s probably the laziest defender we have. He sags way off guys who are very good catch and shoot 3 point shooters, then when they catch the ball, he half-heartedly closes out on them instead of really busting after it. He gets beat on backdoor cuts fairly regularly.

It’s really disappointing how lazy he is (in general) on defense. It’s not like we’re New Orleans where he is the only guy on the team who can drive the offense (and even still – you don’t see CP3 “conserving energy” on defense). We have a ton of offensive weapons, and we only play BRoy 34-35 minutes per night – is it really too much to ask that he bust his butt a little on the defensive end?

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Nov 22, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

In no way should Roy guard Anthony the entire game

but it might work OK in a last-shot scenario. – Elgin

Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers

by 22baylor on Nov 23, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Looking forward.

I look forward to getting eliminated in the first round, again. On the plus side, we won’t be a lottery team and Roy will be happy. On the negative… oh screw it, let’s run Roy out of town.

by fetopher on Nov 22, 2009 1:00 PM PST reply actions  

do you want to deal him? Seriously?

If so, what are we getting in return?

I suppose some teams deal all-star players from time to time – hopefully, we would get one in return. – Elgin

Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers

by 22baylor on Nov 23, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Please explain what you mean?..

How did this contribute to the conversation?.. Is this sarcasm?.. Is there something specific you are unhappy about?…

I was just curious as to your intention.

GO BLAZERS!!!

by Ilikeemall on Nov 24, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

P.S.

Morrow is listed at 6-5 and according to 82 games plays SG twice as frequently as SF this season, four times as much SG last season. If he burned Roy that was essentially a SG doing that, not a typical SF, so his example does very little to argue against Roy at SF.

by StatRaven on Nov 22, 2009 1:43 PM PST reply actions  

Assists

“We lose his ability to create shots for others when he plays SF”

He averages just a bit more than 1 assist less at SF compared to SG. Not a dramatic change. And when he is at SF the guy at SG is probably getting more assists than the guy at SF when he is at SG so it probably adds up to no affect or a plus.

by StatRaven on Nov 22, 2009 1:50 PM PST reply actions  

Drives

Roy at SF this season goes inside a bit less and gets fouled a bit less but last season in a bigger sample size there was no meaningful difference in his rate of shooting inside and he actually drew more fouls at SF.

by StatRaven on Nov 22, 2009 1:53 PM PST reply actions  

is steve blake is above average as a starting pg...

who’s below average that starts and who’s average?

i think if you ranked starting pg’s blake would easily be in the bottom half. he’s not average.

by colinmarsh on Nov 22, 2009 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

I think you hit the nail on the head here...

Nate needs to wake up and realize he can’t live out his dream to be the starting PG for the Sonics vicariously through Steve Blake.

Nate is a loyal guy. He likes Blake. He defers to Brandon, and is basically letting him run the team. That’s why, even though he knew Miller is a better PG, he went with the 3G lineup. I said at the time that was half right, but he needed to bench Blake. Now that the other teams have had time to adjust to our 3G lineup, Nate is backing off… But he still doesn’t feel like he can bench Blake?? WTF???

A strong rec for you, sir…

by Visionary2 on Nov 22, 2009 3:40 PM PST reply actions  

so what u guys think

is nate on the hot seat if he starts blake most of the season, we win 50 games +/- few games and we get exposed again in the playoffs losing in the first round?

by pdxblaze on Nov 22, 2009 10:34 PM PST reply actions  

I would say yes.

I think that if McMillan does see Miller as the better guard and is deferring to the preferences of Roy, he’s not doing his job. If this move to put Blake back as the starting 1 doesn’t pan out, I think he’s only going to have the ear of Roy, but everyone else is going to start tuning him out.

Honestly, I think we’ll eventually have to get a different coach because McMillan and Roy’s relationship has hampered the team’s growth as well as Brandon’s growth. He needs a coach, not a partner. He needs someone that sees what he can become and help him get past his preferences to understand what works in the long run and I don’t think McMillan is going to be that guy. I used to think McMillan had the skills and demeanor to be the coach to take the team all the way, but after seeing all the buddy buddy stuff with Brandon and now seeing how Brandon’s comfort is the actual focus of the team above and beyond the further development of Oden and LaMarcus with the help of Miller…. I’m rather shocked.

If McMillan wants to earn his job, he should stop deferring to Brandon and do his job.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Nov 22, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions  

This is presumptuous
I think that if McMillan does see Miller as the better guard and is deferring to the preferences of Roy, he’s not doing his job.

It is great to use PER as a subjective tool to assess the performance of players. But have you thought of using your eyes?

What if both Miller and Roy need to handle the ball to be at their most effective?

What if Miller makes Rudy into a superstar and renders Roy superfluous?

Aren’t we jumping the gun here? How far into the season have we gone? Have we played any good teams besides Atlanta?

Let’s see what Nate’s performance actually is BEFORE we assess its value to the Trail Blazers. – Elgin

Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers

by 22baylor on Nov 23, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't say anything about PER

I said if – not at all presumptuous because I’m not presuming to know – McMillan sees Miller as the better guard but doesn’t play him because of Roy’s preferences, he’s not doing his job. In other words, his job isn’t to maximize the comfort of any one player but to work towards what’s best for the team in the big picture.

The what ifs about Roy and Miller having to have the ball at all times to be at their best is equally presumptuous in my mind. Roy hasn’t even really begun to learn how to play without the ball so we can’t exactly say he can’t be affective in that situation, especially when he’s working with a guy who is so good at getting the ball to open players.

My comment was in response to a scenario of the team losing again in the first round of the playoffs because we ran into the same roadblocks and Blake’s weaknesses at point were an obvious factor. I wasn’t saying that at this point I would fire Nate.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Nov 23, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Steve Blake will continue to start

The reason why Steve and Martell are in there is because they spread the offense out and make the opposing defense less likely to pack the middle. If Miller could hit a three at almost 40% he would start. He just replicates too much of what we have in Brandon Roy, but not as good. Having Steve and Martell in there just makes the starting offense a lot more balanced. Besides with Outlaw out we need another scorer on the second unit, Rudy can’t do it all.

And people say Steve Blake isn’t tough.

by Thadius on Nov 23, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

That’s the main difference between the two players. All other things being equal, if Miller were a 40 percent 3-point shooter, he’d be playing, and Blake would be watching.

Neither are particularly effective on defense, so I would like to see a deal made for a real defender at point guard. – Elgin

Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers

by 22baylor on Nov 23, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Miller's talents at running the floor and passing are equal to Blakes?

I find that just a bit too much of a stretch.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Nov 23, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't matter

Miller will be a lot more effective in the second unit than he will be in the first unit. They need him more. It just makes both units a lot more balanced.

And people say Steve Blake isn’t tough.

by Thadius on Nov 23, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

We'll have to agree to disagree on this.

I don’t think there needs to be balance, because as the season goes on the rotation will be shortened and they aren’t going to be playing ten guys routinely.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Nov 23, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

StatRaven,

My point wasn’t to say that there would be a huge difference performance-wise between Roy at SG or SF when Roy is playing SF in small doses, as he was last season. My point was that constantly playing SF isn’t going to be where he’ll excell in the long run and I still do think that he hasn’t been playing with the spark or intensity at the SF this season as he does when he’s at the SG.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Nov 22, 2009 11:06 PM PST reply actions  

Face it guys we have a diva on our hands!

And his name is …………………………………..ROY! I am glad that I am not the only one that is disturbed by his cushy relationship with ‘COACH’ Nate. Can you imagine how pissed Roy would be if Pritchard ever decided to fire Nate? Perhaps that is the reason for Nate’s desire to suck up to Brandon. If this caries on, Allen and Pritchard HAVE to fire Nate.

by VinnyB on Nov 23, 2009 3:56 AM PST reply actions  

I agree that there should be limits between player / coach friendships

And that Brandon’s overbearing control on the team is worrisome

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Nov 23, 2009 6:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Nate doesn't adjust well either

I’m pretty certain there’s an unspoken understanding between coaches that they can pull Nate like a puppet on a string. Go at Oden and get him two early fouls. Nate will pull him for 3 quarters and you’re home free. Also defend Brandon Roy isos in the fourth quarter.

Maybe in like two years Nate will figure out they are onto him and make an adjustment.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Nov 23, 2009 6:57 AM PST reply actions  

Seijeff,

Roy at SF is still small sample but it is about as good as you could hope for. That he / they are abandoning it anyways shows 1) he doesn’t like it
2) they don’t think it is as good as him at SG or sustainable as good 3) It was a trick to get miller some burn as a starter.

Put it back on the shelf. Think about though if the situation is right in the playoffs. He is as close to the point-forward concept that Turkoglu represented as they can get. Miller, Fernandez and Bayless may be more useful on the court than Webster or Outlaw.

But I’d like to see more Cunningham.

by StatRaven on Nov 23, 2009 2:40 PM PST reply actions  

Answer is simply this: Rudy

My complaint about Nate is he’s constantly trying to promote a great second unit. That’s okay in the regular season, but in the playoffs rotations get shortened and your second unit is only supposed to keep your head above water. If they build the lead for you, it’s gravy.

I hate Nate sticks Rudy and Webster on the bench to provide a scoring punch. Ridiculous. Throw out every night from the beginning five guys the defense has to cover, build big leads and wear them out, and send in your bench to tread water.

I know, Rudy is not a PG. But so what? He’s faster than Blake and Miller, and a better shot, and plays well off the ball. Ball handling on this team is basically walk the ball down the court and hand it to Roy. I’m sure Rudy can handle that, and the defense will have to cover him instead of sagging off like they do with Miller and Blake.

As far as defense, Blake and Miller add little and Rudy can add just as little. Stick Martell/Batum on their best perimeter player and have Oden clog the middle. Roy and Rudy can run around and flap their arms, and LaMarcus can help out up high or down low. You’ll never notice the lack of a defensive-minded PG because we don’t have one.

Finally, Rudy’s play deserves minutes. He can’t keep backing up Roy, he’s got to play with Roy. And now’s the time to get them to learn how.

by seasnake333 on Nov 23, 2009 10:54 PM PST reply actions  

Turns out...

the estimated Adjusted performance of the new starting lineup is almost twicesas good as the 3 guard with Miller look but given the size of the errors you can’t say for sure which is better.

But you can say they both look good and both probably ought to be used a lot. they are in fact the 2 most used lineups but probably ought to be used at least twice as much.

by StatRaven on Nov 24, 2009 1:08 PM PST reply actions  

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