Gameday Open Thread: Timberwolves vs. Blazers--Post-Game
by Dave on Nov 21, 2009 9:15 PM PST
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nates a genius
They played for 48 mins and got the W. It was nice to see webster show up tonight and roy and blake feed oden. Nice game
by slim503 on Nov 21, 2009 9:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I said in the game thread in the first quarter that this looked like the Blazers from last year.
I was right. By the way I think I predicted the score to be 104-82 Blazers. I might be right on. How do you check?
Hope he is not hurt...
its so evident we need him with no Trout and Batum
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
The Wolves....
if only we can play them after every loss…
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
I concur!
cheers to that!
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
Yes, but it was great basketball. You didn't have Andre wasting 24 seconds and the Blazers getting bad looks.
Roy was getting to the line, they were hitting open 3’s. It’s a step in the right direction. The biggest step they have made all year.
by BRoyInThe4th on Nov 21, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
Blake takes open shots
and he doesn’t scream for the rock when he is open. He gets good looks because his teammates trust him when the defenses sag off him. He is a good 3 point shooter and makes a decent enough %. Rag on Blake for something legit.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
OY
so mad i forgot to enter the jersey contest. at least we got the W
by ODEN on a stick on Nov 21, 2009 9:28 PM PST reply actions
wish they didnt have to sit out oden.
Notes to Broyposse: "Don't let him pull that move, Don't let him pull that move! That's the move! Ohhhhhhh that's the move!"
They (NAte) don't have to sit out Oden - they choose to.
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Agreed....
Games like this would be good to give him some run. Wear the opposition down a little…..or a lot. As it is, the Pryz got better stats!
let’s not overlook the fact that Minnesota was sending three men to box out Oden. No wonder his RB numbers are down.
i cry for nic
they packed the paint all night...
Why werent Pryz numbers down then?? lol… just sayin’
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
I saw two all night
Joel still seems to get better position deep.. because he has no offensive game.. But they still send two to box out… Joel is a monster
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
The rest of the team was helping out Oden...
if that means less rbs for Oden and less offensive-rbs for the other team, than I am all for it.
That's why Marty ended up with 10+ boards.
Oden’s impact can not be overstated.
by OmoriumVerum on Nov 21, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
is chicago over .500?
or did you not mean our next game per se?
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Devendra Banhart - Long Haired Child
didn't see the game...
But Oden had good numbers when I checked early 3rd… with 2 fouls, why did he only play 24 minutes?
Nate doesn't give anything about totals and really wants to preserve his efficiency stats
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Nate seems content splitting the minutes evenly amongst Pryz/Oden
Dont know if I can argue with that either…. its a huge advantage with both of them and a luxury not many teams can say they have.
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
And you just know if Nate leaves him in...
He gets injured, and we’re all screaming about why the hell Nate was playing Greg in garbage time against Minnny.
At this rate, Oden would just sprain an ankle
I’m all for not playing starters if they’re not needed. The injury bug is going through this team faster than the flu.
Oden goes down.....
so does the season… I agree
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
Agree 100%
Oden had already played a great game.
And Joel was having an unusually effective offensive game.
Nate often errs on the side of leaving the starters in too long and then I get nervous.
Nice win but...
Any one can look like a genius against Min. I still don’t like the Blake starting. It is crazy to me when you compare the two players numbers that he still goes with Blake. Oden needs as many minutes as possible against this type of team. We should be focusing on him with these trash games. This is not a recipe for success against better NBA teams. Go BLAZERS!
Miller with Oden in the starting lineup is the way to go.
by OmoriumVerum on Nov 21, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
I think Martell is the key...
He’s the only guy that will send Blake to the bench. If Martell can provide the spot-up shooting and decent defense on small forwards, then Roy/LA/Oden/Miller/Webster works. If Webster could play every night like the second half, we’d have our problem solved.
ditto
I completely agree….Miller should start…and if Nate is pissed about Dre’s turnovers…give me a break….Blake almost handed Detroit a win the other night…
Chicago will be a decent test.
They play great defense. If you do well against them then we can become a bit more optimistic.
I was glad to see Inferno get a look
Hey and when Pendy gets back will Juwann sit?
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
He looked good too.
Hope we’ll see more of him in the future. Juwan looks a step slow, though he had a couple of decent plays tonight.
by OmoriumVerum on Nov 21, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
Doubt it...
Because Cunningham hasnt been keeping Juwan on the bench, sont see why Pendy would.
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
Pendy's got more size tho then Inferno
that’s what I was thinking
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
He cant shoot anywhere close to Inferno...
Nate likes to have range as deep in the lineup as possible.
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
Yes but Juwan has experience..
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
Collecting fouls, as Mike Rice amusingly couldn't stop pointing out
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Talk to Nate...
Im only going off the mans track record.
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
text him...
he always responds
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
Yea I get that sometimes too...
When I text him with “Put BAYLESS in!! He is THE BEST” he usually responds “LOLZ”
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
Maybe, but I wouldn't expect Pendy back until New Year
When in doubt, Nate still goes with experience over youth ANY TIME
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he rolled them both
then rolled one late against GS… he was grimacing
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
Comment taken back.
Forgot about the injury to Miller.
Peace
Does anybody think it is just a conincidence that all of Webs better games come as a starter, and when he gets consistent minutes
Those 10-15 minute stints really hurt his rhythm. If Nate had benched him after 15 minutes tonight, we wouldnt have seen him explode in the 2nd half…
RUDY > MJ
the thing is that Webster won't be getting big minutes on this team long term. If he can't be productive in shorter minutes, he's not part of this team's long term future.
For now, he needs to start. When Batum gets back, he will either need to be productive off the bench, or get traded.
If Marty plays like he did tonight against the powershouses...
He will keep Batum on the bench…
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
bad typo..
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
anyone else see that Deron Williams’ progression has completely halted since two years ago? It appears he is at his ceiling and his ceiling isn’t THAT good.
i cry for nic
Could be the Jazz are declining on a whole.
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
Roy looked like the Roy of old tonight
Gotta be because of Marty Blazer
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
Actually, I was worried about Roy when he missed all those FT's early.
I thought he’s completely lost focus, drive, something.
He looked more comfortable with the ball tonight, from what I saw.
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
big contract
natural to back off a bit … at least at this point in the season
if Roy stays around his 24 PER from last year, that’s terrific. Do we really expect more?
i cry for nic
his stats are almost the same across the board except for the downturn in efficiency and usage. He just needs to make some shots.
The real problem is his body control/handling. He looked better with that toinght, I guess.
i cry for nic
He wasn't having to contend with bigger guys at the three.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
he was playing the ballside wing on offense and defending a shooting guard on defense, as he traditionally has.
i cry for nic
So,
you think he’s just as capable of playing the three as he is the two and that playing the three wasn’t at all derailing his play?
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
playing the three was a factor against Charlotte, teams with big wings. but there was nothing different last night than there was last season.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 21, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
technically no, but I think he has had a mental block playing that position.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
I think that even if this is a down year, he'll bounce back next year.
Hopefully he’ll have a strong December and find some consistency though.
if Marty, Blake, and Oden are hitting their shots, he will score.
Did you catch that HUGE pick by Oden to free him for the slam?
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I think the Oden pick was in the second half
It almost looked like the Wolves player disappeared behind him.
Timbo would trade Roy for him 1 for 1, only "the Jazz wouldn't do it"
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He is, he just has different priorities
Roy did not have a great year so far, but unlike Quick & Co. I would still vote him a tier higher any day of the week. Williams has flashes of brilliance, but his general level is below guys like Paul, Wade, Roy.
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After this year's All Star game it will be Roy 2, Williams 1, and I won't sound so crazy.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Williams is a nice player. He and Roy have been about equally good this year.
Roy last year was considerably better than Williams has ever been.
No, it's makeup time for Deron...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Parker’s spot will go to Deron, not Roy’s.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 21, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Oh please lets not allow political correctness to invade this too.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
Deron will make it. He's deserved to be there before and has missed.
However, I think its much more likely that either Parker or Billups miss out (with Carmelo repping the Nugs) than Roy.
Not sure. If Roy makes it, it will be because Portland is rocking and the coaches need a token Portland player...
If their stats are comparable (which they are), Williams will get the “make up”/sympathy vote and it will be him in and Roy out.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
it’s not between Deron and Roy! Parker and Billups are far more likely to be knocked out.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 21, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
Nash will probably be back in
but Shaq, West and Yao will all be out. You’re probably right about Billups, too.
Durant and Deron are the clear next in lines, though. Even though the positions don’t match up, there should be plenty of open all star spots in the west for the grabs, especially if Parker misses more time.
this will be the team, book it:
Starters: Paul, Bryant, Anthony, Duncan, Stoudemire
Reserves: Williams, Roy, Durant, Nowitzki, Gasol, Bynum, Nash
Kaman and Nene are darkhorses to make it over Bynum. The other 11 are pretty close to locked in, IMO.
LA's going to have to rip off a pretty serious run
to merit three all stars. If there’s another similarly deserving candidate from a team with a similar record, it’s hard to see Bynum getting the bid. Can’t imagine both him and Gasol putting up the same numbers with both of them around. It’s possible due to the dearth of big men but you never know.
You still have younger Gasol as a dark horse as well, IMHO, but he’ll probably get submarined for the same reason that Al Jefferson missed out last year. Needless to say, I hope we can submarine any LaMarcus all star talk early this year.
The coaches like to give each playoff team an all-star. Duncan as a Spur, Roy as a Blazer, Deron as a Utahan, Melo as a Nugget, Durant as a “Thunder.”
Houston won’t get an all-star, though.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 21, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
I could see that if it came down to those two.
However, the Spurs and Nuggets will both have ASG reps in Tim and ’Melo, so both Williams and Roy will have the edge over Parker and Billups.
Timbo was halfway correct regarding your reboudning debate, as Joel Przybilla is still a more ...
proficient defensive rebounder than Greg Oden. Oden is substantially more effective on the offensive glass, though, and that’s just the tip of it. Yet, that notwithstanding, Timbo’s unyielding contempt for Oden is irrational, incongruous flapdoodle — with "flapdoodle" just beating out horsefeathers as my word of choice — but to each their own.
Anyway, I’m surprised that there hasn’t been more backlash against Timbo until only recently. Heck, I’ve got a hoard of haters railing against me in spite of my lofty track record — which admittedly has a few blemishes, but nobody’s analyses is spotless — yet, there’s nothing I can do about it.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
incongruous flapdoodle — with “flapdoodle” just beating out horsefeathers as my word of choice — but to each their own.
classic AK.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 21, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
I’m surprised that there hasn’t been more backlash against Timbo
Trust me, I’ve been here for a while, and Timbo’s gone through some rough patches.
Maybe I'm misinterpreting things, but I think that's a shot against me.
If so, there’s no reason to hold a grudge. You insulted me last night, I shot back, you got pissy, and that was that. It was a petty squabble between two people with no winners or losers, end of story.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Nah, you just shrug it off and live to fight another day.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Man, my sarcasm meter sucks.
Sarcasm can get lost in print, although I should’ve picked up on it.
Oh well, I’ll just dust myself off, chalk it up as a loss, and hope for better luck next time.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Utah Jazz severely overrated Deron Williams, with those asinine debates by Salt Lake homers about ...
how Williams was superior to Chris Paul — which was a crock of bullcrap even then — still aggravating me to this very day.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
It's hard to compare Williams to Chris Paul.
Williams is Roy Max. Compare those two.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
will do.
Based on last season— Williams’ 4th and Roy’s 3rd, both age 24:
They had the same TS%, Roy was a much better rebounder, Williams produced a lot more assists and turned it over a lot more (similar ast/to ratios), Roy produced more points per minute (despite our much slower pace), and had edges over Williams in offensive rating, defensive rating, win shares, WARP and PER.
Let's talk about this year...
Williams: 39.7 minutes, 20.4 points pg, 9.8 assists pg, 5.0 rebounds pg, 47% from the floor, 35.9% from distance
Roy: 36.8 minutes, 20.1 points pg, 4.9 assists pg, 4.8 rebounds pg, 44.1% from the floor, 35.3% from distance
And your point is………???
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
My stats are current, yours are historical.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
your stats are based on 14 games.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 21, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
14 of 82 games from THIS SEASON in an attempt to project future events in the other 68 games of THIS SEASON.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Roy is clearly off and still holding about even with Williams. If you’d like to argue that Roy will not improve and that last year was a fluke, that is a valid argument.
Saying that last year doesn’t matter is a little short-sighted.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 21, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
The Jazz play a higher pace, obscuring the data. Also, Deron turns the ball over a lot ,which makes his assists numbers less impressive.
small sample size, natch.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 21, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
The correct retort is that Deron plays the 1 and Brandon purports to play the 3, so they are comparable at all...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
But that's the same player on two different teams, more or less, give or take...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Read: .........AREN'T comparable at all...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
you were the one who asked to compare them.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 21, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough. But Williams = Roy = Williams = Roy and Chris Paul is an altogether different animal.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
wouldn’t Joe Johnson to Roy be more similar stylistically?
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by Cablinasian on Nov 21, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
No way. JJ is much more explosive and dynamic (and less disciplined). He's a closer match for Paul.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
do you watch Johnson much? He’s probably less athletic than Roy.
Chris Paul is a human pinball that lives in the lane. How is that Joe Johnson?
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by Cablinasian on Nov 21, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
Brandon Roy and Joe Johnson indeed play a similar style.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I would take Williams over Paul, any day, any time. Roy vs. Paul I would have to think about.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
there is no category that Williams is better in. Rebounding, defense, drawing fouls, attacking the hoop, shooting, stealing…
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by Cablinasian on Nov 21, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
And here stats are lying. Use your eyes.
Chris Paul is a ballhog.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
he shoots over 50% and led the league in assists. I like him having the ball.
Also, the offense was designed around the point guard.
He and Williams use similar amount of possessoins.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 21, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
I just lost all respect for your basketball analysis.
There is literally nothing Williams does better. Not one thing.
he is better and being bigger.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 21, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
timbo is yanking your chain a bit, jake.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 21, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
I think Timbo is serious, which is sad and funny to me.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
You're out of your gourd, man.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Paul is a big step ahead of the rest of the league, sans LeBron and Bosh this year and Wade last year.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 21, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
I would have to agree with that
Williams is pretty much what Roy is if he were a PG and vice versa. Not quite as good (imho), but similar in style and physique.
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Brandon Roy sometimes defends against 3s, but he always plays the 2 on offense.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
You and your silly stats..
But what does your gut tell you? That’s the only important stat there is.
And stats are all powerfull,nothing else matters,ask Z-bo
by southern oregon on Nov 21, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Use your eyes. Stats lie.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Stats are for baseball idiots.................
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
jksnake99 : Darly Morey :: Timbo : Chris Wallace.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
jksnake99 : Billy Beane :: Timbo : Ed Wade.
Dammit, I could do this all night.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Hmm, I'm not so sure that someone might not go Shawn Chacon ...
on Timbo. Then again, I’m more likely than anyone else here to spark a scuffle with some player.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
the stats I use don't like Zbo.
You have to use a variety of stats, they need to be pace-adjusted and they need to consider efficiency. With defense, you do have to use your eyes at times as the stats aren’t to the point they are for offense.
Yes. Or have a beer and join in.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
that's not correct-- his PER is outstanding for a reserve and adjusted plus minus likes him a lot, just as two examples.
I don’t look at raw boxscore stats.
Still not happy with the decision to start Blake
We’ve seen the end to this movie. We can either try something different to attempt to get better, or we can go back to this, win a bunch of games, and get owned in the playoffs.
Also, if last night wasn’t enough to get Dante in the game before Juwan, I don’t know what will be. Sigh.
Also, Bayless just played 8 minutes in a 30 point blowout. Nice.
I think Nate wanted to achieve multiple things with that move, some of which include a) the second unit played like crap and needed a second scorer and stability, b) the first unit needs to play over Roy more again, c) Miller is pretty banged up, d) Martell plays better when he gets more playing time, a la Channing. He’s no spark-plug off the bench like Rudy often is.
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Blake is really the wrong guy to create instant offense for that second unit. Sadly.
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What second unit?
The second unit that plays with no starters? How many minutes are those guys getting? Five? Seems like every rotation has a several scorers.
We overvalue “units” on this board completely. You start your best five guys because other teams are playing their best five (save one).
Indeed
This isn’t hockey or soccer. You don’t need two rotation of decent players.
3 stars and role players enough for a 8 man rotation is a tried and true way to win in NBA ball.
Agree 100%
At least one (preferably two) of Roy, LMA, Oden, Dre and Rudy should be on the floor at all times when the game is in doubt. Those are the best perimeter and post offensive presences on this team. Mix and match the other pieces as the game dictates, but leave a creator/post presence out there, no need for line changes
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 21, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
I noticed that Miller was in close to the end of the game just before the garbage minutes got handed out.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
At least 3 teams keep one of their best players in the second group: Lakers, Mavs, and Spurs. No matter if you call it a unit or first guy(s) off the bench, Blake isn’t the guy to create shots for himself when Roy is off the court.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
I can live with this as long as KP doesn't resign Blake.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Nov 21, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
But to play devils advocate here, maybe he (Bayless) isn’t that good. It does make me wonder why in this big of a blowout Bayless couldn’t get more play?
I see I had a comment deleted in the 2nd half of the gameday thread.
This is an honest question. Is “comb” slang for something else? I was just making fun of the guy’s misspelling of “succumb”.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
I think all comments under a deleted post vanish
I tried to rec RAGs rant and it wouldn’t let me
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
My comb is a personal thang...
…n i will keep it in my pants, ma’am…
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
by Lizzy Lowblow on Nov 21, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
Oh. I guess it wasn't deleted. It's just not in my list of comments. I was afraid I
might get banned for filthy language.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
You'd hear from a mod before you got banned
It’s not an on/off switch in a lot of cases; it’s more like a dimmer switch.
Then that troll was a will-o'-wisp
Tried talking to him like a normal adult twice, but man at some time you just give up
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I thought from Rudiculous' reaction that I must've said something
really over-the-top raunchy. I’m good at sticking my foot in my mouth.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
If you weren't my friend
I’d take advantage of that last sentence
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
I love that Rudy's asserted himself this year.
None of that standing around, waiting-for-the-ball on the perimeter sillyness from last season.
Yeah, he helped a bunch even though his shot was shot.
Rudy & Oden are our two stars thus far.
Martell & Roy may be coming over to the right side too.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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It sure is a good thing Nate made LMA save is fouls for later - oh wait
Result: LMA gets 20 mins and ends with 4 fouls – Nate you suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LMA Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I <3 LMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LMA - Putting the POWER in POWER FORWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The concussion must have jarred him into "Destroy All Opposition Terminator Mode!" - BlazersOrBust
Stop playing the 3 Guard Line up and Stop Using the 2 Foul Rule – NATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm fine with that. LMA is more or less a finished product who has reached his ceiling. He doesn't need to play in a blowout.
Oden is another story.
I disagree...
LMA needs some low post moves… or even A low post move
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
I just don't believe that
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The concussion must have jarred him into "Destroy All Opposition Terminator Mode!" - BlazersOrBust
Stop playing the 3 Guard Line up and Stop Using the 2 Foul Rule – NATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he's in his 4th year and has not improved much over his 2nd year.
History shows he’s not likely to improve much. This year, he’s rebounding a little more and he can still improve some, but we are crazy if we think he and Roy will improve a lot over last year.
there's been alot of you are crazy of you don't agree with my opinion which I state as fact going around lately
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
Jake, you are to LMA like Timbo is to Oden.
by Timmay! on Nov 21, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I meant more the verbalization style more than the numbers.
If someone removed the players’ names, and pasted the rest of the comment, I might have trouble deciding who said it.
Just picking a little after a whin. :)
fair enough
I’ll just say that saying LMA’s reached his ceiling is a lot more defensible with data than saying Joel>Oden.
I don't take it well when I'm compared to Timbo :)
I reacted similarly when TiH compared me to Jamelle Hill.
You're a big Timbo at heart!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
you guys have similar opinions on Oden, advanced statistics.. I see the resemblance. :)
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 21, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
The group of stats that really overrated LMA last season was +/-.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
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Y'know, though, it's really awesome that there's so many types of ...
personalities who congregate here. Although we all argue vehemently with one another about many things, nobody can deny that the plethora of unique belief systems regarding basketball keeps stuff interesting.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
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Numbers lie.
I reject that assertion. I have numbers on my side, while Timbo does not.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
While I do think Jake is overly negative with Ellie, not quite. Jake is correct in stating that LMA has not made a leap in production since his second season. LMA may improve, but not as much as Oden.
i cry for nic
Unlike Timbo, jksnake actually uses stats and facts to support his stance on issues.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
As noted above, I was having a little fun at jake's expense
Regarding his verbiage, not his use of stats. A little entertainment after a win.
There should be more "I sure miss Travis" comments during the game
since I know you all feel that way
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
Rudy and Martell stepped up in the second half. In the first they were not that hot.
Only Joel and Miller scored there. That was a phase when Travis would have probably helped.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
I Miss Travis
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
In regards to Travis....
it’s more like “Nooooooooooo dont….. YES!!! thank God it went in”
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
Seeing Martell have a great game
makes me think that maybe the whole team can turn around like that too.
Good to see.
The thing I noticed with Martell for several seasons is that he always has to start out good.
Pre-injury, if his shots don’t fall, he didn’t really contribute much. Tonight, his shots started to fall and he calmed down in all the other facets of his game. Let’s see how he reacts the next night his shot isn’t there. I would love to see the defense and rebounding.
Martell was pretty anonymous
until the 4th tonight, so it’s nice to see him bounce back with some huge play late.
If Martell doesn't do a darn thing but play good enought defense to allow Roy to stay at the 2 s[pot
that’s plenty.
Agreed
Guarding SFs was taking a toll on Brandon, Martell is pretty critical moving forward for that reason alone. Great shooting/rebounding like tonight is a welcome bonus
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 21, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
I like the Wolves, but man Al Jefferson doesn't look like forward progress at all
Hopefully he is still regaining his athleticism from his ACL injury, and with Love in the lineup they start clicking. As a coach, I also wouldn’t try to teach those guys the triangle. They aren’t nearly there yet, with 2 new PGs running the show and no great outside shooters.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
wolves get number 1 pick next year...
they Draft wall. and send Rubio… To,,,,,,
Notes to Broyposse: "Don't let him pull that move, Don't let him pull that move! That's the move! Ohhhhhhh that's the move!"
they will just start the first ever 4 point guard lineup
The ball movement will be crazy good!!!!
RUDY > MJ
Plus of the PGs they have on the team/hold rights to
Rubio is the only one I could see working in that system. Flynn and Sessions are not good fits
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 21, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Ricky Rubio is too ball dominant and inefficient from deep to work as 1 in the triangle offense.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Regardless of whether or not that proves true
he’s still better equipped than Sessions or Flynn. I’d personally rather see Ricky in a dribble drive/motion and/or D’Antoni type system once he comes over to the NBA
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 21, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Going by the box score since I opted to watch UFC instead
but it looks like Howard got the bulk of the backup PF minutes again. Looks like he tore the house down since he scored 0 points in 21 minutes.
Also, like I’ve been saying, Blake once again started over Miller when Nate went away from the 3 guard lineup. (Yeah, I realize Dre has bad ankles, but Nate would have tabbed Blake even if Dre was 100% healthy)
Good thing we got a blowout since I would have blown a gasket if we didn’t with those two coaching gems.
by xedubx on Nov 21, 2009 9:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Wierd,when I went to flag radio whats his name it froze my PC
by southern oregon on Nov 21, 2009 9:59 PM PST reply actions
When that ban hammer comes out of the sky, step out of the way
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by Norsktroll on Nov 21, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
terrible shooting night for Rudy
I know the rest of his game was good (as usual), but I’d wish he’d get some offensive consistency. Thirteen or fourteen a night would be awesome.
by Jeffe Portland on Nov 21, 2009 10:00 PM PST reply actions
His percentages on the season, despite a terrible start, are dang good...
He just doesn’t get enough minutes/shots to score 13-15 a night….
RUDY > MJ
Brandon likes it.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
“Of course I like it, I’m back to my natural position… I wish we would have stuck to it a little longer (earlier this yr)” Roy on starters" via Ben.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 21, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
Not to be Debbie Downer
but you have to wonder what Miller is thinking right now
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 21, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Andre is the 7th man. Brandon is the 1st man...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Of course if it comes down to Miller or Roy
only members of Dre’s immediate family would choose him, but I don’t think it has to be that way. Portland’s best chance comes with those two together – unfortunately, I don’t think it’s going to get a shot
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 21, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Probably something along the lines of,
“Should have accepted the crappy offer from Philly.”
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
You dont think he wants to win?
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
He could do pretty well with Philly, they were in the playoffs last year and with him at the PG, they would have improved.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
I dont see how you got that from the above statements
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
Or maybe Dre's thinking something along the lines of
“My ^$%#& ankles are killing me but I’m not going to mention it. Gimme a couple of weeks and I’ll destroy everybody.”
Wow, Brandon Roy just threw Andre Miller under the bus. He was kind of polite about it, though.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I don't know if Miller is going to get a fair shot here.
For the life of me I can’t understand why Nate and he “hit it off” so well in Vegas only to come back here and act as if they’ve never discussed anything or even speak the same language.
Miller got screwed IMHO.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
They both should've known it was a bad stylistic fit, which makes it odd that neither one of ...
them had the foresight to predict how poorly their relationship has unfolded this season.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I guess andre had to come in here and get chewed up by this team and their “good chemistry” in order for them to learn that feeding the post in a good thing.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
Did anybody else notice... one series when Andre was inserted...
And he made a crazy pass to the post to Aldridge???? Nobody but Miller could have made that look and executed… Nobody
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
and I meant nobody on this team
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
Something about how not all the best players have to be starters and that Andre will help the second unit especially with Travis out.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
Disagree
It wasn’t an attack to be sure, but if Brandon Roy, the franchise player, issues an opinion on lineups, you can bet Nate is taking heed and/or has already talked it through with Roy. If Roy wants Blake to start, Steve starts.
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 21, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
It was more of a slight jab than anything, but it still doesn't bode well for Miller.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
it does sound like Brandon was making a pointed remark
Miller sorta came across early on with an I expect to start attitude and I bet it rubbed some guys (including B-Roy) the wrong way
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
Regarding the "I expect to start" part of your comment, I'd blame that ...
on collectively poor communication between the front office, coaching staff, and Andre Miller himself around the time of the signing.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
could be
One might assume Miller was told when he signed whether or not he’d be starting. But who knows what he was told?
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
Here's to hoping that KP finds someone interested in Blake for a backup PF trade.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
don't count on it
then what? You think Miller and Bayless is going to be any good? That frightens me.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
Miller and Roy for the starting unit
Bayless and Rudy for the backups.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
you ever get that shiver down your back?
LIke the first time you saw the Patterson footage. I got it going on now.
Late my fellow BE’rs. Great Win. Go Trail Blazers!
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
I know he's a pro athlete/millionaire
but I feel bad for Dre. He has not and in my opinion, will not, get a fair chance to show his skills in Portland. If this was the “master plan” all the way through, I would have been much happier overpaying Brandon Bass to play 15-20 mpg at the backup 4.
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 21, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
How many shots did he have to refuse to take to make it happen I wonder?
Seemed like about 80.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
Roy in post game
‘really likes the lineup with Blake at the point’
Guess Miller time is over
by roner77 on Nov 21, 2009 10:02 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Totally unsurprising at the reaction of Nate and Brandon in their post-game comments.
Very disappointed in them both for that attitude.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
I wouldn't go that far. Delluded is more like it.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
Stubborn
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 21, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
twitter updates from blazer banter:
http://twitter.com/BlazerBanter
- Blazers’ Miller said he’s fine coming off the bench as long as Portland keeps winning. #NBA 7 minutes ago from web
- #Blazers coach McMillan says he plans to stick with tonight’s starting lineup for foreseeable future. #NBA 7 minutes ago from web
sigh…. Blake gives us nothing else when he’s shooting blanks.
LOL that is awesome. as long as we win…
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 21, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Hah I was just laughing at that too
I’m reading way too far into it, but I can imagine him thinking “I won’t have to wait long”
It's an Iversonian quote, but unlike A.I., I'm pretty well convinced that Andre isn't a prick, pardon my french...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
glorious
glorious night. Miller on the bench blake starting again please keep this. My wishes were answered
yeah
we were awesome in the first 5 games with this lineup, and in last year’s playoffs also.
by jksnake99 on Nov 21, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
what we needed most
after getting hammered by Houston was another ball handler / scorer.
Kp picked up the guy, but Roy and Nate don’t want to change for the better.
Portland making the playoffs after a great season was awsome
get accomplishing that was awsome. To have lost in the first round to a very tough Rockets team that took the Lakers to 7 in no way diminishes what the PTB accomplished
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
I think so.
Let’s face it, how can we fairly scrutinize the team when Batum and Outlaw are injured. Their absence creates an obvious deficiency. So, I’m looking at this as the complete healthy PTB unit over the course of the season and into the playoffs, not the compensating team playing now.
There’s a difference.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
Oden, Bayless and Martell are literally the only Blazers playing significantly better than last year.
Most of our rotation players are the same or significantly worse. We’ll see if that’s a short term thing or not.
Rudy is not playing better?really?
Do you even watch defense/jk
by southern oregon on Nov 21, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
but not as well as last year.
He’s just as good on D and on the boards, but his unsustainably good offense from last year has predictably not continued.
his unsustainably good offense from last year??
at least say stuff that sounds like you believe it
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
he was among the league leaders in true shooting percentage last year.
His inside finishing was very good. Not the case this year.
still cant be trusted when
feeding the post… he has some of the worst hands I have ever seen on a player… stats dont tell everything
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
in the first half of last year, he was catching the ball and scoring tremendously well.
It was not sustainable, predictably.
Joel is always going to get high % shots
and he is #2 rebounding Off/Def off the bench in the league. It’s not like he’s in there for his scoring prowess
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
I never said he was. He wasn't awesome on offense last year...
… but he finished plays at the rim much much better than most of his career. That’s just a fact.
We are more or less in agreement here though.
His hands are bad... fluke half season
got it..
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
of those 3
I’d say only Oden has shown significant improvement. Bayless has disappeared again, and Martell has been really inconsistent.
Rudy has been very good all year.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
Lose Blake for The Rex and I'm golden.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Nov 21, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not ready for Rex to start yet.
I do want him to get about 15 mpg to show what he can do and develop. I would cut into Blake’s minutes heavily and Miller’s a little bit in order to make that happen.
I guess we've all learned that
Roy needs a Blake like PG to feel comfortable. I guess Hinrich was really the best choice. He’s like Blake, but much better.
Exactly
This makes me wonder if there was enough communication last year at the deadline/this year in the off-season between the “real” Big 3 of KP, Nate, and Roy. Shoot, with as little as he’s playing, it would have made sense to move Bayless with RLEC if that’s what Chicago wanted for Kirk. Like you said, Blake but way better.
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 21, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Stop the Bayless madness...
Blazers will sorely miss the trey with Bayless in and he cant drain it
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
He's improved his outside shooting significantly, he just hasn't been looking for it when he's in.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
What sample size are you using to gauge that Bayless...
improved his shooting range “significantly”???? He hast shot fro distance at all when he has been in
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
He's had a higher percentage on the few attempts he's taken?
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
what I am saying is... small sample size.... its trivial to base percentages on it
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
he can shoot. he could shoot in college and his shot has looked good early this year.
Last year it was broken. He deserves the chance to show if it has improved.
Bayless should only get garbage minutes at this point
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
I disagree. Miller is 33 and Blake is not a good NBA starting PG.
Its time to see what we have in Bayless. He’s extremely gifted and was a lottery pick for a reason. We need to give him a chance.
not any more. missed a three tonight.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 21, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
Even in Seattle, it should be known that Nate McMillan's high-low zone offense used one backcourt player ...
who scored heavily on isos by handling their own playmaking duties and another backcourt player who spread the floor as an ancillary option. At first with Gary Payton, Emanuel Davis and Brent Barry played the role of a de facto 1. Once Ray Allen joined the team as a 2 who was more about jump shooting than driving to the hoop, a guy like Antonio Daniels — who was a rare dribble-drive 1 with the ability to limit turnovers like a methodical floor general — was the best fit. Luke Ridnour played a fair amount at the 1, too, but reports were that McMillan wanted Reece Gaines over him and only played the Blaine native extensive minutes ’cause of organizational pressure.
In Portland, it’s not shocking that a pure point guard like Andre Miller just doesn’t mesh with Brandon Roy. As much as Steve Blake’s all-around game is littered with flaws, his ability to spread the floor as a long-distance spot-up shooter and defer playmaking duties to Roy gives the main scoring option a high level of comfort.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
On a final note, I feel bad for Miller. It looks like he was doomed for failure from the get-go in light of ...
the circumstances around him. Yet, that happens in life sometimes, and all one can do is hope that the adversity makes them stronger the next time around.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
He's in the twilight of his career. If the Blazers build on him in the first unit, that means that in two years
in the heart of their championship window they need to find and integrate a new starter. Miller starting will make the team better this year, maybe. But it’s not the answer. Neither is Blake.
Oh, I fully agree that Andre Miller isn't the answer.
Even to this very day, I wish that Kirk Hinrich was here.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Martell's name even rhymes with "get well".
I hope his hammy is ok. His open makes really grease the offense.
So Brandon is second in the league in minutes played? eek. Yea—-that’s not a good thing…
Oh—-and LMA can learn to play with fouls. Let him earn his paycheck, Nate!
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 10:35 PM PST reply actions
BTW---that was a good second half.
poor T-Wolves. but still—-that was a good second half!
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
A quick guard off the bench could definitely help in some games. If only we had one of---
wait…
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Question...
how does Bayless’ +/- look?
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
He went at 21
Well, and I guess we all knew he was one if not the most NBA-ready PG in that draft class. Not a ton of upside, but very solid instantly.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
This was a sweet draft for quick PG's.
Lawson is so nice. He’s my fav.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
We picked a quick PG
He’s sitting next to Pendy in a boot and can’t really pass the ball, but he’s all ours!
You don't pass the ball when you move that fast!
The ensuing collision of rocket-paced leather and skin would scalp Joel’s knuckles!
Let’s be thankful Patty looks to get his shot.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
So are you saying....
Jerry Bayless needs to break his foot?
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
Yeah, it's too bad Darren Collison didn't fall to the #22 spot.
Yet, I’m afraid that Kevin Prtichard’s Euro lust would’ve led to him picking Victor Claver regardless.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I was at the game
Any word on whether Martell is injured?
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
I couldn't tell whether he'd just fallen hard and sustained a bruise
Or whether he’d pulled something.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
On replay, it looked like he fell on his rear
But they couldn’t decide on commentary based on his walk.
Timster. Where was the facemasking penalty on the Ducks in OT?
I watched that 3rd and long play again and I just didn’t see a facemask there at all!
oops. wrong sport. well, they won…so why am I complaining?
see what this site does to me??!?
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
that's legal, right?
I mean, you can grab a guy’s long flowing locks of dark Pacific ocean-kissed hair, right? So why not his jersey too? Especially his collar. It’s almost affectionate—-not unlike a Mother cat dealing with a misbehaving member of her litter.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, it was definitely a personal foul on the Oregon defender.
For some reason, though, the bonehead Pac-10 officials called it a facemask instead of a horse-collar tackle, but that idiocy is par for the course.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
in fact it looked like the AU QB facemasked the OU guy with the stiffarm
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
They were favored?!?!?
In Arizona?
That’s a gutsy bet…
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
The first time he fell, I thougt he said something about his back
So the second time he fell, I got pretty nervous. Two big spills on your backside/hip can really take a toll on the spin.
He scared me. I was lookin' at the calendar like:
“Is this April 1st cuuuz—-good one Martell but—-ahhhhhhh!—-it’s still November!”
I mean, what are the odds of Marty getting hurt?
Talk about deep dark mathematical equations coming to bite your arse.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Minnesota is a bad basketball team
Isn’t that all we learned from this game? They look terrible.
How about we play real competition and then talk about how great this lineup was. I don’t take results against Minnesota, Memphis, Knicks and Nets for anything.
but the passing and the layups.
those are good. assists and Marty hitting 3’s and getting a double double.
there was a Roy-is-kinda-unstoppable moment too.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
It's official. I never thought I'd say this but...
I am starting an official “I Miss Travis” fanclub.
He hits 3’s. 3’s good. That help team. This team need point. This team cannot score very well.
I finally understand my team!
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 10:48 PM PST reply actions
Instead of dusting off the wave for another small town go-round...
Do you think the fans would agree to start chanting “Jerryd! Jerryd! Jerryd!”.
It worked for LMA’s contract!
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 10:53 PM PST reply actions
It would be nice to have a guy on this team with some goggles.
That brings good luck. I’m thinking back and—-yeah—-Buck Williams. Those were the days.
Or maybe we can just sign Karl Malone to a 10 day contract so he can gouge one of our guys in the eye at practice so that THEY will have to wear goggles.
Oden in goggles. You know you wanna see it!
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
by TheTinfoil on Nov 21, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I giggled.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
You know, I think he's rebounds go up +4 each game just by that getup.
The sad thing is, I really do think this…
I don't like goggles
they’re for swimmers… bring back the headbands….. Uncle Blakey!
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
But you know Blake would come up with a much better dance move
than the “Uncle Cliffy”. That thing was bad 80’s.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
aw
no you dit int
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE.
I rest my case!
(psssst—-I was proving white guys can dance…please don’t make me reference 19th century Russian ballet stars. thanks!)
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
I thought he had a disease or a rash.
I didn’t know that was dancing.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
TOUGH CROWD.
man oh man.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Just tough on boy pop-stars for the most part.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
I guess so...
I suppose I just have a spot in my heart for him b/c of his D.I.T.B. skit on SNL. classic. so classic. more classic than Pippin’s flat-top.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
Hehehe. That guy seems to have been replaced
by a catchy jingly.
He’s getting less playing time than our Jerryd, in fact!
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
bummed
Could not hear or watch the game…very happy about Martell….but very bummed that Miller did not start….why won’t Nate give Miller a chance to start w/o Blake….is this all about Roy and only Roy?
Can't tell for sure, but I think it is equally Roy and McMillan's decision.
McMillan thinks too much about turn-overs and controlling the pace, Roy thinks too highly about having the ball in his hands.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
yep
Nate from the columbian article:
“We came back after losing that game last night and did a much better job taking care of the ball.”
Limiting turnovers is goal #1. Cautious, playing slow, deliberate, not to lose.That’s Nate Mac ball. We just have to get used to it and hope it’s good enough to get out of the first round. This team won’t run and will always have to grind out it’s offense against good teams.
It’s not championship ball, so we just have to accept the realization that our championship window hasn’t opened yet.
by buck_goggles on Nov 21, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
OK: Which Blazer is the best dancer?
Don’t just say “Rudy” because he’s European either.
Because you know Juwan knows the cabbage patch and the running man.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 11:02 PM PST reply actions
I can see it. Lots of facial moves.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 21, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
I hate these talking ball commercials.
I don’t want to look up your nose Dude!
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
I think I heard an "I'll be baaak"
Said in Arnie’s voice. I hope he emails Dave if there are real issues. If not, well, what can ya do?
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
There won't be an email. There aren't real issues.
Trolls gotta troll, and good citizens gotta flag.
I don't think our newest friend radio could have chose a better name for himself.
He is definitely the angry version of this guy…
RUDY > MJ
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