Gameday Open Thread: Blazers vs. Warriors--Post Game
by Dave on Nov 20, 2009 9:45 PM PST
in Gameday Threads
Email
PrintHow did the evening go? Did we handle the guys from Golden State or did we get run over by a speeding truck? Reflect here while you're waiting for the recap.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
608 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
HAHAHAHA.
HAHAHAHAHAH.
ahhhhh.
That was horrible…
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 20, 2009 9:46 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm trying to remember the last time a Blazer game left me this annoyed and depressed.
There was no excuse for that. None.
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 20, 2009 9:48 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
How about the Atlanta game
We should have won that one.
The Hawks could be the best team in the nba
and that was close. This was frustrating because we didn’t exploit obvious mismatches and they did. Well, that and the whole effort thing.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Nov 20, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
exxactly. losing to a good team, even in a disappointing way, is way better than this
by portlandjoe on Nov 20, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
What is so hard about sticking with what is working?
Get the ball to Oden, repeat. Even when the refs missed the foul call – do it again!
Ignore that hurling sound
I’m just purging my memories of this game.
We never faced GS this year, right?
"We Believe" - Rudy Fernandez
It's appropriate that this thread posted with five minutes to go
Horrible
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
'We' looked horrible, outplayed and outcoached
it wasn’t even just eight minutes of horrible basketball, it was three quarters.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 20, 2009 9:50 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Nate did not commit 23 turnovers
play horrible D or miss open shots…I just cannot believe the number of people on this site that think that every loss has to do coaching, Steve Blake, etc…Man sometimes you just play a bad game and get beat
by j dubya on Nov 20, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Do you honestly think that a Western Conference 2 seed goes into Golden State, runs up a 10 point 1st Quarter lead, and then gets blown out by 20???
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Well, sure,
But them being the #1 seed doesn’t negate my half-point.
Playing bad for one game doesn’t mean much, but we’ve been off all season. That means more than sucking in Oakland yet again.
Ya think they'll be good again anytime soon?
With that ownership group and management it will be another decade before they are good.
Nelly running things into the ground don’t suggest a quick 1 year turnaround either.
I love their fans and was a big Run TMC fan as a child
But they’re going to be bad for a long while.
Doesn't matter
As long as Cohan or whoever is in charge.
There’s a reason they’ve made the playoffs once in the last billion years.
I hoonestly want them to be good, but their management is God-awful, like McHale in Minny or Wallace in Memphis. They ain’t bad on accident.
SMH
2008, LA goes into Sacramento and loses to the MIGHTY Kings. Did that deter them from winning a title?
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
The Sacramento game was in the 2008-2009 season.
UPDATED SCOREBOARD
CAB: 1
CLOUDY DAYS: 1
MLOLRTIMER: Juwan Howard’s season +/-
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
poor Juwan
he really is god awful
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
whoops
my bad it was in 2009 that they lost in Sac Town.
SORRY MORTIMER JEEZ.
don’t be mad just because I killed you in that trade now that Murphy is playing again
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Old Man Murphy just bent over to pick up his jockstrap after dominant PF Reggie Evans just scored on him
He’s out another 6 to 8 weeks now.
The sand entered his vagina after he was juked out of his jockstrap and traveled up from the fellopian tubes and into the spinal canal.
His va jay jay
grabbed 10 boards today.
Not to mention Sweet Lou got 31 points and 6 steals
CLOUDYDAYS 2
MORTIMER 0
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
UH, YEAH, I KNOW
I got Sweet Lou on my other Yahoo team.
That Yahoo team is coasting to a 8 and 1 win this week what what what.
TIMBLOLNASIAN
UPDATED SCOREBOARD
CLOUDYDAYS 2
CAB 1
MORTIMER 1
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
CLOUDYDAYS 2
CAB 1
MORTIMER 1
LTRAIN 922355234646
HAHAHAHAHAH What now suckas?
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 20, 2009 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
Everything to do with coaching.
Part of your job as coach is to motivate players and put out a game plan that doesn’t involve an offense that runs around with their fingers up their… you know.
I agree
In the second and third quarter when things were not working why not make a change in the line up and game plan? Mix it up a little. If something is not working, doing it again and again and again will not lead to a different result. We could have tried a little Bayless earlier – perhaps a little 1 on 1 for Roy – anything else.
by The Thinker on Nov 20, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm
Absolutely disagree. The game was lost in the 2nd quarter when LMA and Oden were not put back in the game when we were dominating.
I agree
With Aldridge and/or Oden in the game, the Warriors would not have made such a big run in the 2nd quarter. Nate chose to go with Przybilla and Howard instead, allowing the Warriors to gain a lot of momentum. By the time the 2nd half started, the Warriors had all the energy, the crowd was into the game, and all borderline calls were going to the Warriors because they were the “agressive team”.
Everything went downhill
after Oden picked up 2 fouls in the first 24 seconds of the 2nd quarter
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
If he was gassed, then he should have been given a little more time to rest
instead of staring the 2nd quarter. Start Aldridge instead.
which Nate will use to justify why he normally sticks to his rotation pattern
tonight he brought Oden back early in the 2nd, and got those 2 quick fouls, so he’ll say “See!”. But his bigger mistake was sitting LMA wiht 2 fouls. LMA doesn’t hve foul trouble. he finished with 2, but the damage was already done.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
the problem I see
is Oden gets called for that third foul on the next play and everybody screams why didn’t Nate take him out?
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
he played him 8 minutes in the first
he should have brought him back with about 8 to go in the 2nd, not at the start of it – it was too soon. but still the bigger crime was not putting LMA back in and having him go to work down low.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Anyone else go to Wilson in the 90s?
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Nov 20, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
i guess that's what happens when you sit Oden and Aldridge for an entire quarter.
by DefenderOfPants on Nov 20, 2009 9:56 PM PST reply actions
Then don't come out and play for an entire half.
The first half was on coach, the second was on the players. I think this game shows just how much we’re missing Travis, we have no one who can create for themselves off the bench.
Things happen for a reason they say, but I say there's a reason things happen.
Yep, but Nate refuses to play Bayless and Dante.
by OmoriumVerum on Nov 20, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
after tonight, Dante should immedately get Howard's minutes
he can’t be any worse. might as well give him a shot
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Nov 20, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Howard has proved that he isn't an NBA caliber player anymore
The promising young Rookie should be getting minutes over the way-past-his-prime veteran who hasn’t been more than a scrub for the last few years. I don’t think that it was a coincidence that the Blazers were up by 11 when Howard entered the game in the 2nd quarter and down by 4 when he left at the half.
hmmm
Roy- 4 fouls
Oden- 4 fouls
LaSoftie- 2 fouls
Thanks for saving them for the fourth, Nate.
idiot.
by CleBlazer on Nov 20, 2009 9:57 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
The Warriors were 3-8 and
their 3 wins were against the knicks, grizzlies, and wolves.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
I'm watching this game on DVR ...
Should I bother with the 4th?
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Only if you want to gouge your eyes out with a spork.
He can run, he can pass, he is sicker than e-coli. Jeremiah always keeps things rolling.
by MarineCorpsDuck on Nov 20, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
I'd just use a spoon.
A spork would hurt too much.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Dante had two nice oreebs. ENERGY.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, actually I wish we had him and Nic, and Blake, Martell and Howard were out
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Agreed
Unfortunately, neither is coming back anytime soon
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 20, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
At the current rate
We’re going to have to retire Outlaw’s jersey before he comes back from his injury
Yeah, bad match ups. Fortunately we won't play many games against teams with 7 guys a D-League player.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 20, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't say bad individual matchups. They team as a whole is just a bad matchup for us since they love to run and gun.
Love.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 20, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
Teams that run and gun don't win against the good teams,
because good teams play DISCIPLINED basketball. 36 transition points, crikey that is obscene.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 20, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Why should we forget about it? We should learn how to get better. Not just “forget” about it. We’re blinded by a ridiculously easy schedule. We’d get torn up by any of the top teams.
We don’t play for the Blazers. We won’t learn anything from talking about our losses considering that none of the players actually read BEdge. They can watch game tape. I’ll just forget about this loss and look forward to the next game.
Love.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 20, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
bad matchups?
we had Oden and LMA going against Mikki fricking Moore and whatever small forward they want to put on LaMarcus. We had HUGE mathcup advantages against this undersized team. We just don’t know how to take advantage.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
I didn’t say bad individual matchups. They team as a whole is just a bad matchup for us since they love to run and gun.
Love.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 20, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
Douglast, my man.
I think we need to start proselytizing more people about the Blazers offense.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
ive been doing my part for two seasons
last year all I got in return was “but we are the #1 most efficient offense blah blah blah”. it was all fools’ gold then, and it’s starting to prove true now
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Or, as olive posters would represent in lineup form.
Przybilla
roY
Rudy
mIller
danTe
grEg
(h/t to Mort)
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ha ha!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I know. It's tough.
Basketball shouldn’t look this hard with a team like this. I don’t care if Nate continues to coach, I want him to evolve, but so far he has resisted. I almost feel like the players are in jail.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
dood, we were first in offensive efficiency last year and Nate was the defensive coach for Team USA.
EASE OFF HIM HE IS A COY CANDIDATE.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
i believer he's being sarcastic...
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Nate has some explaining to do regarding his "2 fouls and you are out for the half" rule
He couldn’t have done much more to help Don Nelson and the Warriors outplay us to come back.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
yeah i dont understand that, let oden play, if he cant learn to stop fouling oh well
Momma.....der go dat man
Oden I get
But LMA?!?! I don’t get that at all.
I take back my “well Juwan doesn’t actively HURT us” statement. Ugh.
I BET IT MAKES YOU HAPPY WE LOST THEN
Did LMA fall in a coma and had to be revived during the 2nd quarter? I’ll ask it a million times tonight… why did he sit in the 2nd quarter?
Oden can’t be trusted with fouls, I get him, but LMA… LMA… our only other post scorer…
Andre looked good in the post the few times he posted.
The Juwan-Joel combo was a fierce Northern connection. Can’t keep that off the floor.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe Aldridge wasn't playing
because he was rebounding like a pansy?
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 20, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Was he able to do that in 6 minutes though?
I’m sure Nate favored the Reggie Evans style boardin’ of Juwan over LMA.
When LMA went out we were doing great, I doubt Nate was mad at him.
didya see Dante in garbage time? He threw himself into the paint and fought hard.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
hey, if it works for Bayless, might as well try it with every young player. amirite?
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
That probably was the worst I've seen Portland play since early last season
in OKC. Roy got totally B-slapped by a guy who drives a moped. That is ridiculous. Roy you should be ashamed of yourself!
Hey mopeds are convenient and fuel effecient
by Bicycle Rider on Nov 20, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
as bad as Portland played (especially on D)
Golden State was molten iron hot… give them SOME credit
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
sure it takes 2 to tango
but we couldn’t take care of the ball. And Roy got absolutely dominated tonight.
we couldn't take care of the ball
and Golden State was creating a hectic and frenentic pace which forced alot of bad blazer decisions
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
So... we only play in Oakland once this season, right?
That was awful. I feel sorry for BRP and JkSnake1999.
Ugh.
GAME ON, MINNY. WE CAN BEAT MINNY.
Remember when GSW
beat MIN by 40? and the Blazers beat MIN by 30? I guess it makes sense that we’d lose to GSW by 10ish. Shoulda seen this coming.
I think Bayless only got into the game because Jake stole Nate's lineup card
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
not only that
but the groupie family that goes to all the away games got another fanshot on TV… I can only imagine what BRP and JKSnake where up to at halftime
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
Yes Bayless should get more playing time.
Probably speaking to the choir, but still. How many time does penetrating point guards have to burn us before Nate realizes that is a good weapon to use against the opponent, and he even has one on his team!
nah, we play at Oracle again I think.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
We got run over by a Mac truck
more specifically a Macmillan truck that took greg out in the second quarter
I'm more mad about keeping Juwan in
I don’t know why Juwan spread baby oil on his hand before he checked in the game. You’d think he should know better being 16 year veteran.
His elbows were getting ashy
He needed to lotion them and didn’t intend on touching the ball when in the game.
yeah your right take out our only post threats and put them in when they are cold
and we are tight trying to come back. Also did that to miller.
by tevisthe4th on Nov 20, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
Lame
What’s up with Brandon Roy? I think the 3 guard is hurting him the most. And Juwan killed us in this game. Why keep him in so long? Can Cunningham be any worse?
at least have webster in he probly played 10 mins
Momma.....der go dat man
good observation
The 3 guard line-up has run it’s course. Start Andre (if healthy) bring in Blake and get Rudy on the floor as much as possible. Roy really looks frustrated
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
it's 5 v 4 when howard is in the game.
roy looked slow and just didn’t hit his shots
Nate MacFailin
officially earned his ticket out of town. and i’ll throw a party at my place when he’s gone.
I also wish the Warriors had traded Maggette and kept Jackson
Somehow LaMarcus freezes when he plays against him
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Sheesh what an ugly game
let the haters come out the woodwork!
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 20, 2009 10:07 PM PST reply actions
first he should apologize to oden
Momma.....der go dat man
we did good guys we did good
wel get them next game
something like that
Trade for Luis Amundson!!Do it KP!!
He will probably just frown at Bayless while petting Blake’s head.
by resurrect_ha28 on Nov 20, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Well, he'd be partially correct.
Honestly, the team looked like it just quit. Not a good sign. They look completely confused about rotations and minutes, etc.
by OmoriumVerum on Nov 20, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
Hard to imagine how a coach could bungle up the rotations more than Nate.
Two personal fouls are fine in the 1st half. Players play with fouls every NBA game, there’s no need to handicap your own team by sitting players with 2 fouls. Golden State got the momentum and never looked back after the 2nd quarter.
I think it’s clear as day how dreadful our offensive system looks without players creating their own shot. It is only exaggerated by Outlaw’s absence. The team does not execute the pick and roll properly, doesn’t know how to space the court while pushing the ball, and rely on offensive rebounding to score points inside the paint.
I hope it’s transparent for all to see now. Nate’s has been bailed out more than not by Roy and Outlaw’s amazing individual performances in isolation. Every point is a struggle for this team when it shouldn’t be. Oden is underutilized, Roy is too content to stay still, Miller is asked to play like Blake, and the result is stagnation against a terrible defensive team like the Warriors. It’s inexcusable with a team with many scoring options.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Nov 20, 2009 10:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Thank goodness there's a game tomorrow
Why oh Why was LMA held to Oden’s 2 foul rule… don’t understand.
Just… can’t… understand…
Anything, anymore.
That's right.
We played great in the first. I’m very happy about that. And you know, it’s not like we are winning the title this year anyway.
We played GREAT in the first quarter because Nate was feeding Oden.
We NEED to start feeding Oden. As the Primary offensive weapon, with Roy an LMA as the 2 secondary options on offense.
Then this team will go far.
Start with Greg so that the defense will collapse.
He passes well out of the double team. The others will have a field day.
by OmoriumVerum on Nov 20, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
Greg isnt going to play like this against every team.
We have to keep in mind that Greg enjoyed first quarter domination against the GS Warriors.
by Bicycle Rider on Nov 20, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
I refuse blame
If Nate coached the way I think he should the PTB would be undefeated
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
Portland needs to stop turning the ball over. From what I’ve seen tonight Portland’s biggest problem is that stupid Zone Defense. Either it needs to go, or people need to run it alot tighter then its being ran.
Why does Nate hate to feed the hot handed people too ? He ALWAYS does that if Rudy is hot feed Rudy, if Roy is hot feed Roy, if LMA is hot feed LMA, if Oden is hot feed Oden.
Its not friggen rocket science Nate ..
haha denver you stupid idiots, theyre fans will do what we do.
Momma.....der go dat man
Nate was outcoached by somebody actively trying to lose his job.
Let it sink in.
We had a lineup of Blake, Martell, Rudy, Juwan, and Joel.
Sinking in deeper.
Greg had eight shot attempts against a team with no legitimate big men.
Sunk in.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:12 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I hate to be a sore loser but
was that the worst officiated game ever? I thought so. Its so weird how we come out so strong and then cliffdive so fast. I never woulda thought we woulda loss tonight.
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 20, 2009 10:13 PM PST reply actions
Maybe the Warriors are to us, like we are to the Lakers? We’re winning the championship this year baby!
but the warriors suck, we were good at least last year
Momma.....der go dat man
While Nate "rests" his guys.
For the end of the game…
Nelson plays his entire starting unit the whole game and still blows us out.
What were you “resting” everyone for Nate?
Well they aren't thinking about the playoffs and...
I don’t know…
Maybe there’s a reason half of their team is injured…
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 20, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
i got a question. since you guys alll hate nate, wouldn't that be bad if he got fired because of how close him n roy are?
by portlandgiirl91 on Nov 20, 2009 10:14 PM PST reply actions
dont hate him, just question his coaching sometimes
Momma.....der go dat man
It would be bad if he got fired because he's a pretty good NBA coach.
Love.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 20, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry. Nate is a scrub. Fire him.
Love.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 20, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
How well we traditionally do out of timeouts
Win improvements each year, how the core has developed, etc.
He has never confused me more than this year with the rotation, though. He isn’t a dumb guy or a bad coach.
Not for me..as long as we hire JVG
But then, I’d trade Roy + Blake for CP3 if there were no cap issues.
How is that a point? Cap issues have nothing to do with NO not trading an MVP candidate for a SG who has spent most of his time this year out of position – and statistically depleting.
Majority of Blazer fans wouldn't give up Roy straight up for Paul
We overrate our own guys so much, it’s not even funny.
Sorry I wasn’t too clear.
wow. don't know what to say to this...
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
s
"Steve Blake is a hero. (That is, if you consider burning down a house and then rescuing everyone in it to be heroic.)"-Ezra Caraeff
Guess you don’t read all the other Blazer boards … including the Oregonian comments. You’re just wrong.
The Oregonian comments are just whack man
those people are nuts…I think they just need a forum to complain. This site, except during game threads, is pretty civilized.
The vocal majority of folks in this site have been Nate fans for years
To the point that if you questioned Nate, you were strongly shouted down repeatedly.
The fact that this is no longer the case is a sign in the change in feeling of fans about Nate. I’d say it’s related to newer users on the site, but there’s actually been a noticeable shift in opinion about Nate this year in general.
There have always been some folks who questioned Nate
It seems suddenly more acceptable to bring up questions now, with how the offense has looked recently (despite the record).
I’ve openly felt he’s around an average coach whose specialty is not gametime strategy, and who makes adjustments very slowly. Honestly, he looks like the same coach today that I saw 4 years ago. He didn’t do anything particularly worse today.
Great in practice, weak in games?
Nate is consistently outcoached during games by Sloan, Nelson, Adelman, Popavich, etc.
stands to reason tho
those guys have considerably more experience
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
he struggles to bring young point guards along just like Nate.
wait a second…
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
Can't argue with that.
Pops is going to have some down years to deal with soon, since he recently re-upped through 2012.
His approval rating was at 89% last year. Now I suppose it's dropping along with that of a few of his players.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
If we do well in the playoffs
It’ll go back up.
No Nic, Trout hurts, as does Oden’s constant foul trouble.
I am mad at Nate for sitting LMA, and I ain’t one to get mad at coach when our player’s played awful. Dre couldn’t not turn it over, Roy looked lazy and slow on both ends… just a bummer dude.
Jake’s fault.
I hope he doesn't
Knowing Jake, he needs a break after that game.
If he wants to I’ll gladly read it, but I know he’s sick right now.
BRP is using all 50 kilos of body mass to drag him up off the ground.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
every night a different girl, that player jake. you are wise, Mortimer.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
i happen to like Nate, but for 85 mil, Roy better be playing his butt off for any coach
Portland's PG of the Future - MORE John Wall
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
All been said
And I rarely vent when we play poorly and I never ever criticize the coach, but this one is on Nate. We played so well in the first quarter, playing inside out. Oden was a beast on the block and passing the ball. But he should never have come out after the second foul. NEVER! This was the game you ride him until he picks up six! He was having his way with the Warriors.
And the three guard experiment needs to end now. Please start Miller. Please start Rudy. Please install an offense that takes advantage of our talent.
That is all. I feel better now.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 20, 2009 10:16 PM PST reply actions
Agree
THE clear advantage the Blazers had in this game was Oden. It was obvious in the 1st quarter. I don’t care if GO plays any defense at all. He could have scored 60 points on dunks alone. Why take him and put him back in when he is completely deflated and Nelson has turned this into his game. Very frustrating.
so whens batum and mr. outlaw get back!?!?!?!?!?
Momma.....der go dat man
didnt say that. i said, "so whens batum and mr. outlaw get back!?!?!?!?!?!
Momma.....der go dat man
I guess i assumed, based on teh general tone of excuse making and venting that you were making a connection. my bad
by portlandjoe on Nov 20, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
We lost this game inside
although it would have been nice to see Outlaw if LMA wasn’t going to play in the 2nd
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Nov 20, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
roy doesnt seem like himself-- hes not playing as sharp as last year
alot of our players seem, slightly slow
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 20, 2009 10:17 PM PST reply actions
Where's the PG critics tonight?
Last game Blake had 3 turnovers but scored 17 points on 50% shooting and 3-6 from the 3 pt line including the 3-pt that put us 4 up with 26 secs left, and the final 2 foul shots with 10 secs left. We won, Blake hit the critical 3-pointer in the 4th (the 3rd time this season that has happened) and his critics never wanted him to play in the 4th quarter again. (While Miller missed 4 straight foul shots and a terrible 15 ft jump shot, which just about matched Blake’s 3 turnovers.)
Tonight Miller has SEVEN turnovers and not a peep from the PG police.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 20, 2009 10:20 PM PST reply actions
Yeah he was the PG that played 36 minutes with 2 turnovers, not the one that played 19 minutes with 7 turnovers.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 20, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
and shot 2 for 9, including bricking 4 3 pointers
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Bricking 3 3's
One was a halfcourt shot. Just sayin…
Last game he scored 17 points on 50% shooting and everyone wanted to run him out of town for 3 turnovers.
Tonight Miller has SEVEN turnovers in 19 minutes and two assists. No one complains about Miller.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 20, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
Miller was terrible tonight, despite his good shooting
Blake was also terrible tonight.
Over the season, I’d rather see Miller starting and getting 30 minutes per night than Blake, because the history of both their careers tells me I’m going to get more from Miller, on average.
I think Blake would be a nice backup PG playing 15-20 minutes per night and not asked to ever try to dribble or create in a halfcourt set.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
I'd also be happy with Miller starting as long as we get rid of that insane 3-guard offense.
But I’m sick of seeing Blake being made the scapegoat when Miller is only playing marginally better than he is overall.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 20, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
agreed on the first point
playing Blake 30 minutes a game at SG is ridiculous
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
But couldn't hit the broad side of the barn
Nor could he find an open man. He was too scared to pass, thus the lack of turnovers.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 20, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, too scared to pass but he led the team in assists.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 20, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
Look I love Blake
But he has been terrible this year with the exception of a couple of games. Yes he controls the tempo better than anyone else. But bottom line if hasn’t been consistent.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 20, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
I noticed Blake actually penetrated tonight and shot the ball
rather then dribble back out like usual. I’d like to see more of that from Blake.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
And he even hit a floater!
That was nice.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 20, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah MIller has been real consistent.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 20, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Nope
Let me repeat for the third time. We have a point guard problem.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 20, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Your darn statistics
are not fitting the preferred narrative here.
Stop it.
blake couldn't hit anything tonight
by portlandgiirl91 on Nov 20, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
it was a good decision
if he hadn’t shot it the clock would’ve expired and so I think he made the right play despite the outcome
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
yeah i see what you’re saying but the dude is just
by portlandgiirl91 on Nov 20, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
Last game he scored 17 points and everyone wanted to run him out of town after making the big shots in the 4th.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 20, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
One big shot
after three turnovers in the fourth let the other team back in the game. And yes he hit his free throws.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 20, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
Miller missed 4 free throws in a row and missed a 15 ft jumper by about 4 feet.
That’s about equivalent to 3 turnovers and he didn’t make the 3-pt shot when we were up by 1 with 26 secs to go. Blake did.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 20, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
I wasn't defending Miller
I agree with his horrible play as well. We have a point guard problem.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 20, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
i mean he really isn't all that great
by portlandgiirl91 on Nov 20, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not saying he's great, but Miller plays awful and get's a total pass.
Blake has hit a big 3 point shot down the stretch in 3 games we have won this year including the Detroit game, and people want to run him out of town. I’m just sick of seeing that.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 20, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
That was the worst combined point guard play
I have seen in a long time.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 20, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
I think we are all missing the point here.
This game is clear proof that Steve Blake and Juwan Howard detest the game of basketball.
Still waiting for Roy, Miller, Blake, and Martell to start playing up to their
potential. Overall, they’ve had disappointing seasons thus far..
Portland's PG of the Future - MORE John Wall
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
Nate outcoached again
I am more convinced than ever that McMillan and his crew cannot move this team forward.
Nate is really not so good！
champion Team needs a better coach but not Nate，Sccot is better ，do you think so？
If Van Gundy is such a stellar coach why is he a commentator?
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
I'm still thinking they'll make it to a second round exit in the playoffs this year
i’m not worried.
Portland's PG of the Future - MORE John Wall
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
AGREE TO AGREE
Nate is losing this team. BRoy is half-a$$ing and pouting. It’s a miracle we have 9 wins.
he's playing out of position.
i’d be pouting too.
at least we can celebrate clippers win n denvers loss!!!!!!!!!!!!
2 hot teams lost to 2 not so hot ones.
by portlandgiirl91 on Nov 20, 2009 10:24 PM PST reply actions
i agree, and have never liked that line up. I seems a little ironic that the worst game for the “small” lineup is against a running team.
by portlandjoe on Nov 20, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
It makes sense though
You need tall players if you want to stop a fast break (forwards and centers can block shots around the basket, but guards generally can’t do anything to stop a fast break except foul).
pleeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase
Momma.....der go dat man
I think we know the real reason for this loss
Haarlow stayed in Portland. Take that, Haarlow naysayers!
Oh wait, that includes me as well.
LaMarcus in his career has only fouled out 15 times
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Nov 20, 2009 10:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
and Nate narrowly avoided number 16 with his genius game management tonight.
Cause and effect. Do they teach it in Europe?
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
the blazers should somehow sign Bruce Bowen.
So roy can go back to his old position.
my only complaint with Nate is
why was Juwan in there in the first place? That was when we went downhill in a major way. No offense Juwan, im just sayin.
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 20, 2009 10:27 PM PST reply actions
we gave up 15 steals when is the last time that happened?. to any team for that matter
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 20, 2009 10:28 PM PST reply actions
HEY, we aren’t really that young anymore…
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
Apparently not young anymore to give young players playing time to learn
Oden and Bayless and Dante would have lost worse than that? Really?
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Greg Oden will not face a more perfect setup for him to dominate than he did tonight
McMillan epic failed in the 2nd q. He should have brought greg back with 5 minutes, let him try to finish out the half.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
totally
or cryin in my beer style— “TOTERY”
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 20, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
coaching by rule is lame
it tells me a lot that Nate coaches by rule instead by thinking
Maybe instead of "Greg doesn't foul out of any games" approach
Perhaps “Let’s just play him until he fouls out, or the game ends” approach?
I'd rather keep him for the second half
Again, to me, the problem was sitting LMA for absolutely no reason.
LMA too soft
What would it take to convince LMA to take a few shot leaning in toward the basket instead of fading away from guys 5 inches shorter?
i saw him going hard to the basket tonight
when he got opportunities with the ball down low.
in fact, he’s been doing a lot more of this the past few games.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
you're just mr contrary tonight huh?
It’s tough to argue with you when you’re like that
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
No I'm not
I’m easy to argue with like this.
I’ve been consistent with my thoughts on this… it’s up to Oden to not foul so much, not Nate, and I don’t blame Nate not trusting him.
For the life of me I don’t understand sitting LMA like he was Oden, though.
Nightmare game. Juwan showed we still need a good backup 4, I don’t like Blake as a SG still, Roy just seems so off in the silliest of ways, such as ballhandling…
I ain’t TRYING to be contrary, anywho.
freeoden.com has some material after tonight.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with you on LMA
but Joel racking up fouls like Oden? I don’t see that. Plus Joel can play with fouls better then Oden can.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
almost identical foul rates this year.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
Joel's been fouling at a higher rate than Oden
By far, this season… and has had seasons worse than Oden’s season was last year, fouls wise.
I trust Joel to play with fouls much more than Oden but he has been bad with fouling this year.
6 per 36 for Joel and 6.2 per 36 for Oden. A somewhat insignificant margin.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
we just notice Oden’s more.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
Because we so want him to stay in the game
Because of all the things we know he can do. With Joel we know what we are getting.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 20, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Yes...but I'd rather see Aldridge as an emergency C in 4th quarter
rather than playing 8 minutes in 2nd quarter because both Joel and Greg has 2 fouls.
Plus, you know that refs aren’t as trigger happy with the 3rd foul before the half or the 6th foul.
They are trigger happy with Oden and have been with Joel
Joel I trust much more than Oden to not foul, but he’s been a foul magnet… LMA usually never is though.
Lame lame night.
LMA's a foul magnet against Maggette
I was guessing that was Nate’s concern (that Maggette would do what he did last year) but it backfired on him.
I guess that too
BUT since LMA doesn’t normally have foul probs, let him get the 3rd before ya sit him.
hindsight 20/20, our guards (including Roy) were AWFUL.
Bayless attacked the hoop like GS was begging us to do ALL DARN NIGHT.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
I do not understand why we don’t give Bayless and Dante a set amount of minutes to give them confidence. Right now we need hunger.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Steve Blake attacked the basket in the first quarter
That was when I thought it was over. Thought too early.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
GS was lifeless at that point. We gave them energy and gave the game away with the second quarter lineup of Steve-Rudy-Martell-Juwan-Joel. Funny just thinking about it.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
That's what frustrated me as well
Nate’s substitution pattern in that 2nd quarter let a team that would have given in get back into the game. Simply maddening to watch…
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 20, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure what caused Roy's meltdown tonight
I was guessing it was the non-foul call he got T’d up for, but that might have just been the breaking point.
that was a pretty funny call. He was getting hit all night long.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Well, it's hard to argue for/against that point..
Since both Greg and Joel gets a seat besides the coach as soon as they get 2…
I do agree with pulling Aldridge tonight. In general, I just hate seeing us without either Greg or Joel out there since any momentum we built in the first quarter usually dies a flaming death with neither is out there in second quarter.
...Boonesferry Sangria
Portland's PG of the Future - MORE John Wall
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
hell...
a collective consortium of blazers’ forum posters can coach this team better than nate.
mike rice can coach this team better than nate.
Rice actually had that look in his eyes at the half
Bet he was thinking “I just drank a fifth of rum, but I can still coach better than this guy.”
Do you consider this type of game an aberration or a trend?
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Nate not adjusting in the middle of games or in the middle of series for that matter?
Aberration, never seen it before.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Blazers look like a .500 team
if you look at the games they won and the games they lost and project … pretty much .500
A clear sign that this team is not played-in enough to win a title
As Dave said
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
may have a fight making playoffs
Phoenix is better than expected, Houston doing great without anyone, Utah hanging, SA not yet full strength. Only NO tanking.
To be fair
The Lakers lose every game to the Bobcats. And look like we played tonight in Portland.
Even very good teams have that team they suck against. We suck in Oakland :-(
Well I would say it is neither
I would say it is standard operating procedure. We have been either lucky or good (can’t figure out which) with other teams shooting percentages and our woeful offense this year. We couldn’t even score 100 against the Warriors after a 37 point first quarter.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 20, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
i think it's a trend.
i think Roy’s lackluster play was an aberration.
i think this 3 guard line-up nonsense has got to stop. that, and the two fouls per half rule.
by DefenderOfPants on Nov 20, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
Jazz put end to 20-game, 10-year winless streak at Spurs
Fire Pop!!!!
Can’t win with the greatest PF of all time.
if by "greatest PF of all time"....
…you mean “one of the top 10 centers of all time who insists we all call him a PF and the talking heads have all bought off on it”, then I assume you must be talking about Duncan.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Scary
If we somehow manage to lose to Minn on Saturday and OKC somehow manages to beat the Lakers, we will be tied with OKC.
did anyone hear Nellys F Bomb when he got the technical?
I heard it so loud and clear it was classic comedy
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 20, 2009 10:34 PM PST reply actions
depends on if nate will make a change or not ...
the three guard line up needs to stop. Roy needs to play in position.
If we lose tomorrow as well, then change could be coming
But with just this one, probably no change forthcoming.
that's the problem with playing a cupcake schedule.
we don’t spend anytime playing the roster we should be playing …
yeah, if we had the schedule we had last year,
I’m thinkin’ that it wouldn’t be the “pleasant surprise” we had then.
Our record could be better than we are playing.
I have real problems with the “formulamatic” overly structured program, with players seeming afraid to play.
I really don’t know if it is a coaching problem or not, but I must say, I would like to find out sooner, rather than later, if it is. If only coach could have an “ankle sprain” and require a replacement for a while…..
"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener
I'm confident we will learn
Nate and Roy definitely will step it up tomorrow.
by HometownZero on Nov 20, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
someone call jake and get his snap reaction on teh podcast a la JackO dissing on the Yankees in April. we need this audio.
i cry for nic
AND HE THROWS HIS YARMULKE ON THE GROUND IN DISGUST. OH THE HUMANITY.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
I feel sorry for jake. he puts up with Bochy benching better younger players for washed up old vets and then sees a full quarter of Juwan Howard in his first live Blazer game of the year.
He is abused.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
JUST BECAUSE I DONT LIVE NEARBY
DOESNT MEAN I CANT BE EQUALLY HURT TOO CABBIE
:((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
(that’s Jabba the Hutt frowning)
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
and statistically wrong. :)
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Statistically, taking out your 2 big men in the second quarter to save another foul before the half wins you the game 56.3% of the time
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
And the other 43.7% of the time you lose by 14
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 20, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
okay since we are obviously lottery bound
whos lookin like the #1 pick this year?
Thats sarcasm and One for the haters out there
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 20, 2009 10:40 PM PST reply actions
Roy just got pantsed in front of the whole school
I hope he gets a little upset and comes back ready to play next game.
Roy is sooo much better than he played today.
No doubt in my mind that he’ll crush the wolves.
by HometownZero on Nov 20, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
You're right
The wolves suck. Blazers have to win tomorrow.
by HometownZero on Nov 20, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
People aren't using the word "suck" as much lately
and it works so eloquently…. weird
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
He just can't play well against GS
AS I said, its like the Lakers in Portland, no matter how bad we were we always beat them at home.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Lakers don’t “suck” in Portland, we just play better and win.
I think that may be a difference.
by Jeffe Portland on Nov 20, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
The Oakland curse lives
We just can’t win there, it’s screwed up.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I like Nate
but wow, when did 2 fouls in the first half become serious foul trouble? Oden was dominating, he and LMA had mismatches on offense, and they played about 1 combined minute in the 2nd quarter when things started to go south. Coaches have bad games just like players can – tonight Nate had one.
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
We lost it in the 3rd
Down only 4 at the half was very savable.
They just weren’t missing 3s, they were 7/10 at one point.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
My point is
managed properly, this game could have been sealed for the Blazers in the 2nd. Golden State had 8 guys, if Portland could have stretched the 11 point lead to 15-17, I don’t know if GSW would have had the juice to come back
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 20, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
2 things that lost us the game on a serious note
1.fg%
2.Turnovers
obvious there was more to it but those two alone hurt us the most
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 20, 2009 10:50 PM PST reply actions
I saw Dre and Rudy giving Nate some real
“Tuned out”looks when he was talking to them which worries my troubled mind more than anything else
by southern oregon on Nov 20, 2009 10:50 PM PST reply actions
both: “Wait, Steve Blake is playing shooting guard over Rudy/me?”
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
Dre had a bad game
Pure and simple, no more to it than that.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Earlier this season, the camera caught a timeout
where Nate was drawing up a play and Andre (who was in the game) had his back turned from the play, I think having a drink or wiping off.
I think Andre may be underwhelmed.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
That was my first real "hmmmm" since Andre arrived
I wasn’t sure if it said more about Andre or Nate.
I think his comment went he signed says it all… “Steve blake has done some good things for this team, but I plan to start.”
He obviously views Steve as a pretty average player.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't like that either
and while it goes without saying Nate didn’t do a good job tonight, you can’t shine our coach like that. Poor form on Dre’s part if it was intentional
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 20, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
There's a better way to go about it than that
Talk to him 1-on-1, pretend to listen, whatever. That’s the type of stuff that can blow up and derail a season
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 20, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
So you’re assuming he hasn’t? The relationship was ruined the moment Steve Blake started over Miller. A call everyone in the world knew was wrong.
Even if he has
just as I would criticize Nate if he trued to humiliate Dre after a turnover – regardless of how many hours of practice instruction went into the play – Dre should not go out of his way to make Nate look bad, even if Nate’s rotation is backwards. I agree that Miller should have been the starting PG since day 1. But when players/coaches start airing their dirty laundry in public, a situation that could have been handled in private (even if a highly charged one) becomes much more difficult to deal with (press coverage, people taking sides, etc.)
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 20, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
That was Quick, not Nate
Quick got that info off a board in the practice facility. Should the team have made sure they got the information erased before the media came in – yes. But insinuating Miller was called out by the coaches is just plain wrong.
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 20, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
“Miller’s punishment, according to the newspaper is a seven day, 30-minute detention with strength and conditioning coach Bobby Medina.”
He was called out by the coaches.
Not following you
"Miller’s punishment, according to the newspaper
Again, I don’t see a quote in there from a Trail Blazer coach. I’m assuming the author got the quote off the record from a coach, but for all I know that could be Quick extrapolating an answer (e.g. What happens if a player fails the conditioning test?) and applying it to the information he obtained from a dry erase board, not a coach. Either way, the point remains that what Miller did was direct disrespect to the head coach, and regardless of what he thinks of Nate in that moment that is not conducive to long term success for this team.
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 20, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
the book Nate should read?LOL
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 20, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
one of the most frustrating things to me is
we are 9-5 right now, but it feels like we have just given away like 3 games. You can’t get those back, and it’s going to cost us come April
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Denver and Atlanta twice
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 20, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
our record is deceptive
and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. come january 17th though, things will chnage and we will see how good this team is or isn’t.
The good part
The Clips pasted The Nugs, so we’re still only 1 back.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Hello to our first truly bad loss of the year
Bottle this one and hope to never feel it again.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Seriously
How often does Dre have foul trouble? He did tonight, that tells you how this game went.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
The Warriors really did play well
They hit a lot of tough shots and turned us over a ton.
And they've played pretty well this year
They hung with Boston and Cleveland on the road til pretty late last week. They are better than their record.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Why on earth
doesn’t Nate play bayless when we play teams like GS? The guy is the ONLY one willing to drive it to the whole. He may be wreckless at times but if you going to lose at least do it attacking the basket. And Howard? Really? that’s the worst excuse for a basketball player I’ve ever seen. I wish I could suck at my job that bad and still get paid millions. Stupid Nate. I believe he has the team confused.
I think J Bay
May be a little hurt. His ankle isn’t 100%.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
looked fine tonight
I like his D. That should earn him some time in the Nate system I’d think
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
Excuse me.
But will this finally be the time you legitimately criticize Nate in your post game recap, Dave?
Haha,Nate in the post mortem
If the team had not been lazy and stupid we would have won
by southern oregon on Nov 20, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
just the opposite... i see a stern lecture coming from Dave
He’s going to explain why there’s no need to make more out of this loss than its worth
Because Portland stunk in Oakland last year and the year before...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
the Oden fouls are my real issue. It is getting absurd.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
I'm just waking up
I wasn’t angry about the Hawks loss, but this one was absurd
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
I just can't get worked up about it
it’s so early. seems like this team needs a few lessons. Some of them are painful. And some of the lessons are for the coaches.
I agree
Some of the fixes seem clear, but the Oden foul troubles and Roy not being Roy aren’t easy fixes.
Needs time.
The Oden foul issue is doubly mystifying to me... and it may not get solved soon
but maybe there is no solution. It’s just something we have to accept.
Roy has not been Roy and he does irritate me at times, but I think he’ll respond soon enough.
If it's because he took too much time off
Then it’ll be fixed in time.
He is supposedly healthy and okay otherwise, so just prolonged rust I hope.
My main fear is that no one is learning the necessary lessons.
Look at last year and what ultimately ended the season: an offense that had no real flow, couldn’t scheme points in the paint, and a lack of movement without the ball…and the #1 problem: a lack of in-game adjustments.
Looked a lot like tonight…
by Free Bayless on Nov 20, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
Paul allen must be a very patient man.
There’s no way I could watch this crap and not have a coronary. Especially when your paying millions for the product being produced. This just isn’t good basketball.
by Flapbreaker on Nov 20, 2009 10:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
If Nate is so insistent on players earning their playing time,
then what is blake doing to earn his time?
The only reason i shoot 3's is cuz there ain't no such thing as 4's.
by cpt.morgan.ahoy! on Nov 20, 2009 10:59 PM PST reply actions
When I watch Blake play I just can’t imagine him as the point guard of a championship team. Championship caliber teams all have good point guards.
by HometownZero on Nov 20, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t see the blazers winning a championship with Blake.
by HometownZero on Nov 20, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Derek Fisher?????
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
The Halls of Champions are lined with mediocre PGs
Like Timbo implies.
The best PGs rarely win.
I want much much better PG play but out key guys are the key.
Good thing he's playing shooting guard then.
Err, I guess that’s actually even worse.
by Free Bayless on Nov 20, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
except for last year
but yet blake does stink. i challenge someone to find a worse player who is averaging 30+ minutes per game.
Percentages
70% of the winning teams win the FG% stat. Its the highest stat % to contribute to a win. Its also basically impossible to win with 23 turnovers. We outwork our own selves by simple lack of fluid gameplay. To much cheese, not enough crisp!
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 20, 2009 10:59 PM PST reply actions
lesson learned: when Rudy ISO is the best option in a given lineup, it’s not a good lineup.
i cry for nic
Rudy had another good game
can we talk about Rudy. I love Rudy. That guy rocks
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
he would start for a lot of NBA teams and is still going to get a lot better
by southern oregon on Nov 20, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
I gotta say..
I am rather impressed with Rudolfo’s defense this year. He actually plays D now as opposed to not playing D. Usually, once you don’t play D, you never start.
Rudy and Oden
were the bright spots for me tonight. I liked that Rudy went to the hole a few times, if he can add that to his game, with his jumper he is a pretty tough cover
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 20, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
Hahahahaha
Exactly what I thought.
If the best way to get open in the entire lineup is that whiggety whack turnaround step back mid-range shot… yeah.
classic--
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 20, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
I blame Blake
He’s such a liability on defense and is the cause of many of the big’s fouls. He gets beat and Greg and Joel have to try and cover.
His dribble pentration consists of going to the heart of the defense and passing up shots with a few seconds left. How many times have we seen him pass to an unprepared player to see them either shoot, over pass, or turnonver. It all started because Blake wouldn’t/couldn’t get his shot off.
He misses wide open threes – if we can’t hit the open jumper, he’s useless.
You can say Miller has more turnovers, but you need to consider how many turnovers that are the result of Blake’s passiveness/lameness.
My opinion – You know Miller is only backup point in this league and that’s the best he’s gonna be. Start Miller. Give more tick to Bayless who at least has the potential to be so much more than Blake.
What if they both suck? Is that an option???
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Could be
Could be – for me I’m cringing everytime Blake gets the ball at the end. He did make the 3 last game, but they wouldn’t have been in the position to need it if he’d played average ball before, turnovers/missed wide open shots.
I don’t cringe when Miller has the ball. At least not all of the time. I do cringe when he shoots that flat brick of a set shot. Ugh.
Anyway we can trade Blake, Miller, Travis, Martell, Nate, Blaze, Blazer Dancer #2 for CP3?
For years we could not beat the Kings at SAC. FOR YEARS.
GSWs are the Blazers’ “21st Century Aberration.”
"Gonna stand my ground. I won't back down." -- Tom Petty
"You have to know the past to understand the present." -- Dr. Carl Sagan
COMCAST SSSUUUCCCKKKSSS!!!!!!!!
Rule No. 18: If you want to live to post another day, don't turn the tube on in Dave's living room.
Stat of the night...
ANDRE MILLER
18-and-a-half minutes played
SEVEN turnovers
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Awful game for all the guards
Nice to see Bayless do what Bayless do though… just a few hours too late.
rudy was not awful,to nice a word for Miller and Blake
by southern oregon on Nov 20, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure if Bayless could have been that effective earlier
It seemed like GSW was just letting him score and not putting in much effort to stop him because they were so far ahead that it didn’t matter anyway.
Miller had 7 ugly turnovers that stinks
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 20, 2009 11:08 PM PST reply actions
Anyone else thinking of taking a break from the Blazers?
I was so excited about the season, but Nate’s impotent coaching and lack of evolution has taken the air out of me. I get more frustrated watching the Blazers play, even in wins. I think that’s my cue to take a break for a while. I love the Blazers, this is going to be really hard.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
I feel kinda emotionally detached. I’ll still watch, but I’m losing hope for this season.
It’s the Oden fouls that have me bummed out.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
Losin' hope already?
We’ve sucked and still win, it’ll get gooder.
Oden fouls are the biggest problem, followed by Roy not being Roy. Next is Nate being wishy washy with the 3 guard lineup.
Morty, how do you stay calm as a cucumber?
Tell me your secrets.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Raised in the tough streets of Portland
Nothing can take me by surprise, the streets taught me everything that can ever happen.
I am losing hope for this season. The Oden fouls, point guard suckiness, coaching… blah.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
what's the cause
How about our PGs getting beat and Greg having to bail them out?
How about PGs who can’t make wide open shots so teams effectively double Roy? It’s basically 4 on 5 out there with Blake.
It's not all perimeter defense
A lot of it is mistakes by Oden that don’t need to happen.
Tonight, the loose ball fouls didn’t need to be called, that was lame.
I missed how he got those 2 quick fouls in the 2nd quarter because my feed conked out.
the first was crap. Ellis scooted by and they called a rep foul. Second was standard poor perimeter D leading to interior foul.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
Side note
One positive thing— LPBB finally gave me a coupon to activate my account automatically. Only 3 weeks too late.
NBA reps are lame. Their take on the Seattle situation is “oh, hmmm. that’s weird.”
Comcast had the more pleasant answer of “go find a friend who gets comcast.”
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
You don't sound emotionally detached in your comments...lol
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
poor explanation. I should say that I was emotionally detached from the outcome of the game. I would be bummed win or loss because it’s the same weakness over and over agian.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
I'm past the win/loss stuff.
I care more about the way the team is learning how to play basketball right now. Seeing how the roster is being utilized feels similar to the Hornets under Byron Scott. The young guys got no burn and the offense was really sad to watch even with CP3.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
ha, I made this analogy yesterday in the JD. The team had no hunger, no spark… Collison and Thornton are doing wonders for them. Having hungry young kids changes the energy of a game.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
The only young guys not getting burn are Bayless and Dante
I think both can help but not big game changers.
The problems are Oden’s foul probs, because he’s so awesome when in, and Roy looking so off. Combined with Nic being out, and the subsequent lame 3 guard lineup, it’s been a rough start.
Like you, I wanna see progress, and a sustainable lineup. The 3 guard thang is just weak.
I guess that's the most dissappointing part.
Seeing players underutilized. Miller was brought in to add a new dynamic to the Blazers. Oden was suppose to be a beast this year. Both players, in my eyes, have been asked to play the role of Blake and Przybilla, which Nate has been comfortable with.
That’s been my theme this year.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Oden is largely ignored by his teammates
Nate calls plays to feed him more than any other center he’s coached in the past, and even if I want it to be more I don’t necessarily think he needs more plays called for him.
He needs to be passed the ball like in this 1st quarter every game, not just when he has midgets on him. MOST teams guard him with guys who can’t match up. We always miss him when he’s cutting, open for the lob, etc.
Its wierd how different it has played out for Nic and Dante having an injury
To some one ahead of them in the rotation,Dante has the best skill set to replace the guys who are hurt and the “dont say Norsk didn’t warn you” worthless Howard is leading the league in – per minute
by southern oregon on Nov 20, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
That might be a good idea
Except in my case, I’d be paying more attention to travesty known as BCS championship. Either way, I’m screwed.
I'm rootin for the Ducks.
This could be a tough year for me.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
I have a feeling that even if Ducks win tomorrow
they’ll lose the Civil War game…That seems to be the pattern. (just an observation as a bystander)
I never trust an Aliotti defense.
Years of conditioning.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
It's not too late to ditch the Ducks...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Hit the beach. Watch some waves. Get ready for the Rose Bowl. Go Beavs!
"Gonna stand my ground. I won't back down." -- Tom Petty
"You have to know the past to understand the present." -- Dr. Carl Sagan
COMCAST SSSUUUCCCKKKSSS!!!!!!!!
Rule No. 18: If you want to live to post another day, don't turn the tube on in Dave's living room.
by MojoMan on Nov 20, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I share your frustration.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I have season tickets - I'm mad, but not mad enough to rip up money
I’m also not to the point I was with the Jail Blazers – picking a few favorite teams to root for
That game would have a theme song
by bubba sparxx called “ugly”
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 20, 2009 11:11 PM PST reply actions
It is my most hated thing on the site, when people bring up the past trades that “were on the table.”
But darn we could use Blirk Minrick right about now.
i cry for nic
That Bulls team is really hobbling right now. Gives me some hope for Monday.
Though the blowout from last year seems out of reach.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Nah, we're still that team that can get monster blow outs
The next game we’re hitting from deep and Oden stays out of foul trouble = blow out win.
regression to the mean. it will happe.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 20, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
Time to fire up the trade machine?
Oh wait, damn. The Blazers have completely eliminated all tradeable assets via the “let the cake bake” strategy, which has rendered Batum/Outlaw/Webster injured/not good enough to fetch good players.
by Free Bayless on Nov 20, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
Blevin Ferris
wouldn’t be too bad either
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
I knew this was gonna happen..............
On the night when we needed it most, where was Rebecca Haarlow when we needed a postgame interview to ask Steve Blake how he got to be so awesome?
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
My take
I’ve read what is above and here is what I think.
This loss is on Nate 99%. I’ve left one percent for the chance that the Blazers could have won this game just based on their individual talents alone.
Nate, started this downward spiral with the aquisition of Miller. His ability to think logically was (and still is) clouded by his special love for Blake. In his desperate attemps to keep Blake in the starting lineup he has confused and frustrated the rest of his players and caused what we see now.
In addition, he might as well just be toss his offensive gameplans and allow complete choas because at the end of a McMillan style play chaos is already necessary to get a shot off anyway. He also appears to be trying to ignore missmatches and clearly does not understand the strengths of his players or how to utilize them.
Nate is a good coach for a young team who needs to be reigned and controlled. He played the same role for Seattle a few years back. But after the team has moved out of the realm of little to no expectations he is out of his league.
I frequently see the argument that McMillan must be a good coach because he assists on team USA. Look at the coaching staff on that team. Nate was chosen to create a diverse coaching staff. I know this will not be a popular thing to say but before you chew me out stop and think about it for a second. Coach K is a coaching legend, D’Antoni is an offensive inovator and was consistently taking his team to the playoffs. Nate was a below .500 coach who had taken one team to the playoffs and then bailed.
I’m not saying that we need a new coach now. I think that would just make things worse. But at the end of this year I think KP needs to think hard about extending McMillans contract.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
FanShots
Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.
Recommended FanShots
Recent FanShots
In Association With
Ball Don't Lie - NBA - Yahoo! Sport
- Video: Boston works in a half-court football snap after winning the tip
- Judging the choices for the Eastern Conference All-Star team reserves
- Judging the choices for the Western Conference All-Star team reserves
- Jeremy Lin draws inspiration from Tim Tebow
- Stephen Jackson is already tired of Milwaukee
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
