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Game 5 Preview: Hawks vs. Blazers

Game Time:  7:00 p.m. Pacific   TV:  Comcast SportsNorthWest

In the recap of Sunday's win against the Thunder I said that humidity was thickening around this team right now.  You get the same feeling as when you step outside before an impending thunderstorm.  Lightning is in the air somewhere.  You just don't know when or where it's going to strike.  This is not to say that the Blazers themselves are tense...though if things don't change that's coming.  Rather you can start to read from defense-less losses to Houston and relieved wins against Oklahoma City that some kind of strike is impending.  The question is, will it be a strike against an opponent that all of a sudden clears the air and puts this team on a strong, confident path or will it be an internal strike resulting from a prolonged struggle?  One way or another we're going to see something at least semi-dramatic happen and I'd be surprised if we got out of November before it did.

I bring this up because I have a weird feeling that tonight's game could be polarizing one way or the other.  The Atlanta Hawks are in town.  They're different than most anybody else in the league.  The battles between them and the Blazers, aided by both teams ascending around the same time, have always been spicy and entertaining.

A Look at the Hawks

To my mind the Hawks' main distinguishing feature is their tough, athletic, young front line.  They run three 6'9"-6'10" guys out there in Al Horford, Josh Smith, and Marvin Williams.  Horford is a great rebounder and shot-blocker who also hits the post attempts he gets.  Smith is an all-around forward who can leg it up and down the court with the best of them.  He's averaging 19 points, 5.5 rebounds, 5 assists, 2.5 steals, and 2 blocks per game on the season.  Williams has had a poor start to the season but he's a runner/leaper who can explode on you as much as Smith if the stars are aligned right.  Between them it's going to be a rough night for anyone the Hawks come across.  They can get nasty and they've punished the Blazers before, winning games that Atlanta should have lost.

To balance the brawling frontcourt the Hawks field martial artists in the guard slots.  All-Star Joe Johnson is averaging 23, 5, and 5 on the year.  He does everything well on the offensive end and is just as capable of going off for 40 as Brandon Roy is.  Veteran Mike Bibby has seen better (and quicker) days but he makes a living off of the Blazers.  He shot 57% and averaged 21 against the Blazers last year.

Beyond that the Hawks bring Jamaal Crawford off the bench along with Maurice Evans, who has taken some of Marvin Williams' minutes and has been shooting the lights out so far this year.  Joe Smith and Zaza Pachulia provide big man support but you don't see them much as the Hawks tend to play their starters huge minutes.

The combination of hyper-athletic frontcourt, multi-talented backcourt, and a little bit of bench relief is a combustible mixture.  The Hawks can explode on anyone at any time and they're getting better at delivering consistently.  They're 2-1 on the season, are averaging 110 points per game so far, and have not finished below 100 yet.  The Blazers, by contrast, have topped 100 only once and needed 42 points from Brandon Roy to do it.  Atlanta likes to create extra points by dominating the offensive glass and turning you over.  They also generate and hit plenty of foul shots.  If held to a halfcourt game it's inside-out with Horford and Johnson with Smith as a fine second option with Bibby or Evans as safety-valve shooters.

Despite the offense generated the Hawks have been having trouble defending this year.  Opponents are shooting 50% from the field, 43.5% from the three-point arc.  It's a mark of how well the team plays the extra facets of the game that even with that defense they've won twice and brought a good fight to the L*kers in their one loss.  The opponent putting the ball in the hoop has made it harder on the Hawks to play easy, but even when plodding they've seen results.  The Blazers should take note that just scoring won't be enough to take this game.  They're going to have to fight otherwise the Hawks will just roll right back over them every time they score.

Pivotal Points to the Game

1.  Keeping the Hawks off of the offensive boards will be important for the Blazers.  I have two visions about this game.  In one the Hawks start forcing and missing shots and the Blazer bigs vacuum them up, frustrating Atlanta and making them look impotent.  In the other the Hawks start missing shots but then they sky past Blazers who aren't paying attention and ram the offensive rebound back home, swinging on the rim for good measure.  Guess which scenario leads to a Portland win?

2.  Brandon Roy-Joe Johnson is always a great time.  They're both well-rounded, great scorers...you just dream of this kind of thing.  Roy has to at least equal him to make the game easy on the Blazers.  Joe Smith-LaMarcus Aldridge could also be a pivotal matchup presuming LMA is cleared to play.  Such symmetry.

3.  OK...look.  This isn't rocket surgery.  Nor is it brain science.  If you're going to let Mike Bibby get open looks and filet you then you're giving the already-potent Atlanta offense a big knife and turning your back to them.  Please make at least one point guard in the league look worse than he is instead of way better.  And by the way, the guy can't defend either.  How about some offensive magic from our point guards...or people we play at the point guard position even if they're not point guards.

4.  This would be a night to hit your three-pointers, as that's one area of the court the Hawks don't cover that well.

5.  Defend the Hawks but don't put them on the line.  Ideally you'd want non-Joe-Johnson people shooting jumpers.  If you can't get that you'd want Joe-Johnson people shooting jumpers.  The worst-case scenario is seeing them bull inside and foul out your entire big man corps in the first 16 minutes.  Not only would you be at a disadvantage but they'll hit all of those free throws.  Stay in front of your man but keep your hands off of him.

Final Thoughts

If the Blazers get pushed in this game and respond back with a stellar, intense, smack-filled effort it would probably shake the rust off and set the tone for the next few weeks which are full of winnable games.  On the other hand should the Blazers continue to struggle some of those winnable games, particularly on the road, start looking tough.

Check out the Hawks perspective at PeachTreeHoops.com.

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--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)  

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The loss to houston on the road looks a little less bad

after seeing them beat utah in utah tonight. I honestly thought our worse game this year has been at home against the nugs.

by tevisthe4th on Nov 2, 2009 10:37 PM PST reply actions  

Rest easy friend, justice and righteousness prevailed in SLC tonight.

If the Red Nation apparatchiks start talking about a Five Year Plan, I'm out of here.

by Xiane on Nov 2, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Undoubtedly.

But I was thinking about the Rockets.

If the Red Nation apparatchiks start talking about a Five Year Plan, I'm out of here.

by Xiane on Nov 2, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions  

And let's hope Josh Smith still thinks he has a great jump shot

One of the worst jump shooters in the NBA, out of guys who take outside shots at least. I’m sure Joel would be worse if he took jumpers. Something crazy like under 30% is what Smith shot last year…

Joe Johnson is a middle class man’s Roy; all-round, but much more jumper reliant and not as athletic/quick. Good scorer though. Marvin and Martell are pretty similar this year it seems like, but Marvin has been more productive the last few years. I love Al Horford, but he’s a natural PF, not a true center, and Oden owned him once and can own him again.

I sincerely hope we don’t make Bibby look like an even better version of Sacramento Bibby… he’s a guy who can shoot a team out of a game, and those sort of guys are my least favorite. He’s a horrible defender, and I want to see Dre attack him endlessly. Hell, Bayless could carve him up and get to the line endlessly as well.

Obviously Atlanta has some premiere athletes, but they don’t have refined games. We can outsmart them if we play under control, play hard on defense, move the ball, and take advantage of Oden inside.

Joe Johnson is a good shooter, so don’t leave him open, but even if his shot is off he’ll keep shooting. We all know Jamal Crawford is the same but ten times worse… and Josh Smith’s shot selection is one of the worst in the league. You can make these guys take bad shots, as it’s a standard part of their game. I hope we don’t let them off easy.

If LMA is healthy, I think we match up well with them. If our bench can play better than last game, our depth could beat them over 48 minutes.

Atlanta can beat anyone any given night, but this is our home court and we know we can win tonight.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Nov 3, 2009 1:36 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Nice recap Mortimer.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

Also: COMCAST SUCKS!

by TwoDeep on Nov 3, 2009 8:18 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I would add to your comment

that I think Martell is the perfect foil to a scorer like Joe Johnson. Johnson is strong enough to bull his way past smaller defenders and quick enough to take larger ones off the dribble, but I think Martell is strong and quick enough to keep Johnson shooting jumpers all day.

Yet I still picked JJ to score more points than Roy in the jersey contest, so I lack the courage of my convictions.

"I just sort of know that around the water cooler they talk of reality tv stars, and I strictly drink coffee." -- EvilKaramazov

by BlazersOrBust on Nov 3, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

That's a good point

I think Martell is a good guy to defend Joe Johnson… and Roy can be on Marvin Williams, who is nice and has a really good mid-range game, but doesn’t attack as much as Johnson at all and is easier to guard, despite Marvin’s superior athleticism to Johnson.

Overall, I think we match up really well with them.

M—

by Mortimer on Nov 3, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Hawks Fan Here

Just comeing to check ya’ll out. If you can clog the lane you will win. If Josh and Al go off – you will hanve a long night. In our wins – preseason and regular season we had great balance between the front court and back court. In our losses we shot to many jumpers and did not attack the basket near so much.

by RivBoatGambler on Nov 3, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

This HAS to be a win...

Quick, besides some generic Smith guy, how many current Hawks can you name?

by Visionary2 on Nov 2, 2009 10:43 PM PST reply actions  

the Hawks are a good team dude

Bibby, Johnson, Smith, Horford, Williams, Crawford, Evans, Pachulia, etc.

by jksnake99 on Nov 2, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions  

On the plus side

The Hawks are lacking a lightning quick PG, a power SF, or a rangy C, the types of players that seem to give the Blazers the most trouble.

by PoliSam on Nov 2, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Hawks Fan Here

Crawford can replace Bibby if his shooting is off. 9 assists is the Crawford we need tonight and is an improvement over Flip Murrey who plad well for us last year. When he is driving and dishing to our bigs we are tough. When Crawford/JJ/Bibby are jacking up jumpers we are much easier to beat. Which Crawford will show up?

by RivBoatGambler on Nov 3, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

How many times have we got our behinds handed to us by guys we couldn’t name?

by Liface on Nov 3, 2009 7:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Jon Koncak, Tree Rollins, Spud Webb, Nique.

Are they still on the team?

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Nov 3, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

He was asking Quick.

by shralpster on Nov 3, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

+1

"I just sort of know that around the water cooler they talk of reality tv stars, and I strictly drink coffee." -- EvilKaramazov

by BlazersOrBust on Nov 3, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I have a feeling that this is the game where we finally show the NBA what we’re made of. That said, I wouldn’t abandon all hope if we lose tonight. The Hawks are a pretty good team and we’re still trying to figure out how to play together.

I'm an idiot. --- AK1984

by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 2, 2009 10:49 PM PST reply actions  

Hawks Fan Here

I agree – important game but just one. The key for both teams is to split the games with the tough teams like yours and win against the sub par teams.

by RivBoatGambler on Nov 3, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I think this will play out like last year's games with ATL

Tough game, down to the wire. Johnson and Roy always give each other a test, hopefully GO has a title game flashback and works Horford over. I think Travis has a good game – he matches up well with Smith, both guys would rather get up and down/face up than pound the paint, so my number one Outlaw at PF (if LMA can’t go) worry is somewhat obviated. Bibby is actually a good matchup for Blake/Miller, as he isn’t a lightning bolt like Brooks. Blazers in a tight one is my call.

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Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden

by blazeraddict on Nov 2, 2009 10:50 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Good call on Oden/Horford - I was remembering that NCAA title game as well where Greg owned Al

Even with Al and Noah both double-teaming him he was dominant.

"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster

by lee3022 on Nov 2, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions  

In other words, like the last TWO home games against ATL

Two years ago the Blazers won on an inspired final fifteen minutes featuring Brandon Roy. If I remember, last year’s ATL win was televised and also featured Roy playing out of his mind despite flu-like symptoms?

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by OhOhOden on Nov 3, 2009 2:41 AM PST up reply actions  

+1 just for the usage of "obviate"

that’s an 8.5 point word. Nice.

"I just sort of know that around the water cooler they talk of reality tv stars, and I strictly drink coffee." -- EvilKaramazov

by BlazersOrBust on Nov 3, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm pretty worried about this game. The Hawks -Blazers games are tough and down to the wire when we were on our A game last year.

The Hawks seem to have come out of the gate strong, while we are still a little lost I think. Hopefully this game will be a catalyst for us to buckle down and find the REAL Blazers team that’s been hiding.

by dario argento on Nov 2, 2009 11:05 PM PST reply actions  

I think we see a strong perofrmance from Roy tonight

he and Joe Johnson have a nice bidding rivalry deceloping. Hopefully, the intensity rubs off on our other guys.

I hate Comcast.
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I believe in Greg Oden

by blazeraddict on Nov 3, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Last year's home game featured LMA over Smith/Williams but a big margin

And Joel neutralized Horford (Greg did not play).

"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster

by lee3022 on Nov 3, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Please Help

At the coast on vacation and I do have cable, but of course it’s POS charter. Will there be a feed of the game online anywhere? Like the justintv feeds during preseason or any other options? I have a decent internet connection…
Thanks

No... No... No... oh, nice Travis

by DribbleDriveDish on Nov 2, 2009 11:09 PM PST reply actions  

Check the pregame thread for a link

"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster

by lee3022 on Nov 3, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice

Uually a link in the pregame thread?

No... No... No... oh, nice Travis

by DribbleDriveDish on Nov 2, 2009 11:17 PM PST reply actions  

Yep.

I'm an idiot. --- AK1984

by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 2, 2009 11:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks

No... No... No... oh, nice Travis

by DribbleDriveDish on Nov 2, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah

It’s inevitable in every game, trout with a ‘did he really mean to do that?!’

No... No... No... oh, nice Travis

by DribbleDriveDish on Nov 2, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Typo alert, Dave

I don’t even know what you were TRYING to say with this one: “If you can that you’d want Joe-Johnson people shooting jumpers.”

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Nov 2, 2009 11:48 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Very interesting storm brewing call

My bet is Atlanta is the perfect team to unload on and this team will suck it up and take over.

Greg was not playing when we played Atlanta here in February last year Joel bested Al: LMA owned Smith.

Joel 6 points (50%) 10 rebounds in 20 minutes (4 fouls) Al had 4 points (33%) and 6 rebounds in 30 minutes (2 fouls).

LaMarcus had 21 points (55%) and 11 rebounds in 43 minutes Josh Smith had 11 points (42%) and 3 rebounds in 39 minutes

The two weak links for us in that game were Frye and Sergio.

Also my current signature has been with me since early training camp (and Nic’s injury) – I believe in Martell.

"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster

by lee3022 on Nov 3, 2009 12:11 AM PST reply actions  

Are we gonna have lma? will he regress to early season form as apposed to 3rd game and 1st quarter

of game 4 form?

I hope greg puts on an inspired reenactment of his glory days……….see championship game vs florida and Al horford. And Broy continues to prove he is a bit better than jj. Who has gotten the better of matchups between dre and mike bibby?

I hope we get into a situation where Bayless can play…….Its so sad to see guys who he was on the same level with in college thrive in the NBA while he is thriving in practice and blazersedge posts.

by tevisthe4th on Nov 3, 2009 12:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I predict a big game from LMA

He had a monster game here last year against these guys. He is finding his shot and rebounding now. Is he back from his injury? He says he will play. We hope he is 100% or close.

Greg and Joel should own these guys. They have a size advantage and are mobile. Joel and LMA held Horford and Smith to 4 (33%) and 11 (42%) points, 6 and 3 rebounds.

"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster

by lee3022 on Nov 3, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I like the new look of the site

It’s easy on the eyes. Feels cleaned up.
Go Blazers. Feed Oden.

by zersrule on Nov 3, 2009 7:06 AM PST reply actions  

Three rules to win by

1: Never shoot three pointers when you are tied or behind—go to the rim.

2: Power negates quickness. Go inside. Power with quickness dominates. Go inside.

3. Get into someone’s face. Don’t let the refs swallow their whistles. If there is an altercation (no one has to get hurt just push them up against the stanchion) the refs will be part of the game. Quick teams tend to use arm waving for defense—involved refs call those fouls.

by 7677maniac on Nov 3, 2009 8:09 AM PST reply actions  

A lot of parallels between these teams...

1) Both are on the rise having made the playoffs last year.
2) Both are loaded with mostly young talent and a couple of veterans (Miller and Howard vs Joe Smith, Bibby, Crawford).
3) Both teams are still learning to win on the road.
4) The Roy vs Johnson battle. These guys are almost a wash stat-wise and love playing each other…

I agree with Mortimer above…Andre Miller needs to own Mike Bibby. He should drive and score, drive and dish, or just post him up all night. I would also like to see Greg Oden remembering that championship game vs Florida… and exact revenge by going all bestial and eating Hawk for dinner!

"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman

by clinchmobb on Nov 3, 2009 9:07 AM PST reply actions  

jersey contest link... not working for me...

Notes to Broyposse: "Don't let him pull that move, Don't let him pull that move! That's the move! Ohhhhhhh that's the move!"

by Slickrex on Nov 3, 2009 9:15 AM PST reply actions  

Miller = Bibby..

last year they played 3 games.. both averaged 16 ppg, miller had more assist.

Notes to Broyposse: "Don't let him pull that move, Don't let him pull that move! That's the move! Ohhhhhhh that's the move!"

by Slickrex on Nov 3, 2009 9:19 AM PST reply actions  

dont like the horford aldridge matchup

big al’s so physical, and those are the guys that give LMA trouble, espescially if he isnt 100 percent. hes a great rebounder, but the hawks dont have anyone over 6’ 10’’, so oden and pryzbylla should combine for close to twenty boards.

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by staceyaugmon4HOF on Nov 3, 2009 10:53 AM PST reply actions  

crawford also scares me

a tweener guard who can fill it up in a HURRY, presents a matchup problem for the blazers, too tall for blake or miller so rudy better work hard on defense or he could have a big night

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by staceyaugmon4HOF on Nov 3, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

except Horford plays the 5 so he’ll be matched up against Oden and Przybilla.

free bayless

by Cablinasian on Nov 3, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Horford v. Oden

I’d like to see Oden do well in this game.

At this point in time, I am looking for improvement on the defensive end of the court. If Oden can get 4 blocks, affect 8 shots, and grab 10 boards, then I don’t care how many points he has; I’ll count the game a success.

Go Blazers!

by Rip City Mike on Nov 3, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it comes down to foul trouble, though. If he consistently plays 30 minutes, he’ll probably et 3 blocks and 12 boards. Then it’s a matter of diversifying the offensive moves to fully utilize his bigness.

free bayless

by Cablinasian on Nov 3, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

True

But defense should be Oden’s focus. Whether it’s blocking shots, or affecting shots, he should try to hustle on the defensive end. Defense leads to offense, and Greg’s looking mighty agile this year- maybe he could get the block, the finish the fast break at the other end?

Go Blazers!

by Rip City Mike on Nov 3, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

that would imply that we would run a fast break.

While the key is defense, he has a lot of offensive potential just sitting there. Can’t ignore his pretty good scoring efficiency and up and coming post moves. If you integrate him, he gets better and better as the year goes along.

free bayless

by Cablinasian on Nov 3, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Horford v. Oden…I’d like to see Oden do well in this game

Greg “accepted the challenge” against Durant the other night as was more vocal on defense. Horford was #3 in that ‘07 draft, and was on the Gator’s team that beat Oden’s Buckeyes, in the NCAA finals.

Payback time

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by two4larue on Nov 3, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I would love to see a Bayless-Bibby matchup

I don’t know if would work as well as I’m imagining, but pretty sure it would be entertaining.

by TPforprez on Nov 3, 2009 11:35 AM PST reply actions  

Here is a little excerpt from a blogger over at Peach Tree Hoops
I think we can exploit Oden with a much more athletic and faster Horford and I think we have a better team overall. – Jesse28

What do you guys think?

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...but when I do... I read Blazers Edge."

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by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Nov 3, 2009 11:54 AM PST reply actions  

horford's similar to nene no?

Both big athletic guys, although not quite space eating true centers like Dwight Howard or Oden. Oden seemed to do a pretty good job with Nene last night. He’s so big he’s hard to move out of there, so he should dominate the glass.

by atomiccafe on Nov 3, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Nene

Is a thug. Horford’s just a consummate professional.

Go Blazers!

by Rip City Mike on Nov 3, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

?

Why on Earth is Nene a thug?

Nene is more athletic and bigger than Horford, but I like Horford a lot. Just wish he could play PF, and not forced to play center.

Nene overcame many unlucky injuries and ailments to become a very good center…

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Nov 3, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

hmm

Nene is listed as one inch taller than Horford and five pounds heavier, so he’s not too much bigger. And people I know who are Nuggets fans regularly say Nene should play power forward to avoid the beating at center.

So I’d say they’re similar players, but maybe Nene’s a bit more athletic?

Right about Nene not being a thug.

by atomiccafe on Nov 3, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Stat-Based Preview

I made my own preview of the game over here.

Do you think that Dave and I could collaborate, with him presenting insight with his superior knowledge of the inner workings of the game, and me with my straightforward analysis based on stats?

Go Blazers!

by Rip City Mike on Nov 3, 2009 1:42 PM PST reply actions  

I think your stuff is solid, but I think its probobly best if you put in in Dave's preview threads.

Lots of posters here have things to say— it usually works best if we keep all the game preview stuff in one place.

by jksnake99 on Nov 3, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm Bedge looks different today

I will throw my mouthpiece across the court if I disagree with you.

by SabasforThree on Nov 3, 2009 5:54 PM PST reply actions  

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