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Nate’s substitution patterns


what is he doing? Any ideas?

 

He is doing a horrible coaching job so far. For those who are going to say he is testing things out... Thats what the offseason/preseason/even first couple games(not really) is for.

 

anybody make anything of this besides great confusion on Nate's part. I am soooo pissed right now. I love the blazers and always will but i am just discouraged as all hell at the moment.

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Nate,

squinting a keen eye, looks down at his watch. He mumbles, "six minutes," and then calls out, "Joel!"

Just another day in the life of an elite level NBA coach. Squinting his keen eye again, he thinks to himself, "There is no need to even watch the game from a substitution standpoint, I just run subs in and out like clockwork."
 
His mind once again comfotably adrift, "It really makes me angry though when a player makes me adjust by committing fouls. The only good part about fouls is that I have a rule for that one too—still no need to wrack my brain about what is actually going on."

Now with a twinkle in both eyes, he says, "The NBA is a simple game, there is no sense in making it more complicated than it is."

The best players only try to, "do it all," themselves when it is a playoff necessity or, on occasion, to put on a show. Other than that, the game is easy for them, and they are just having fun and getting a workout in. There is no need to belabor the point!

by KINGofMACct on Nov 2, 2009 1:57 PM PST reply actions  

I'm not sure 'patterns' is the right word to use...

My only guess is that Nate is experimenting, which I think is OK to a certain degree although that is also a good way to get yourself fired later on. Of course, a lot goes on that we don’t ever hear about let alone think about.

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by Comcast Lover on Nov 2, 2009 2:05 PM PST reply actions  

Growing pains...

Nate’s a smart guy. He did transform a team that once had the NBA’s worst record to a 54 win team in his few years as the Blazers head coach.

My guess right now is that he’s still experimenting with lineups. We’re only four games into the season. Better to sacrifice a few losses and get good rhythm going for the rest of the season than to win at the start of the season and get into a slump at the end of the season, before playoffs.

Go Blazers!

by Rip City Mike on Nov 2, 2009 2:44 PM PST reply actions  

experimenting should have been complete in the preseason

I’m sure Nate will get things done eventually, but IMO he deserves a lot of the flack he has been getting. The team surely isn’t ready to play and that is on him. With our conference being as tight as it is…even a tiebreaker could determine if we get HCA or not in the playoffs.

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 2, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

in preseason

he didn’t have a fully healthy roster for more than one game.

So he’s a little behind the curve. I’m patient for ten games. It’s not how you start, it’s how you finish.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Nov 3, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Nate as I see it

Starting Blake and bringing in Andre about 6 minutes into the game – For now, I support this move. It’s like comfort food. The team is used to Blake at the start of a game. Brandon usually lays low, LMA or Greg try to get established in the paint, and Marty and Blake are there to knock down 3’s if the opportunity presents itself. Brandon has been playing almost all of the 1st quarter, which gives him equal time with Blake and Andre. This is a short-term solution that gives Brandon and Miller a chance to work on chemistry, but still starts the team out in familiar territory. Hopefully, by game 20, Andre will be the starter getting 30 minutes to Blake’s 18.

Bringing Joel in after 6 minutes – Yikes!!!! My heart sank yesterday when a productive Oden was benched with 0 (or was it 1) fouls. If Greg is not in foul trouble, he should play the whole 1st quarter. Joel doesn’t care about minutes, and Nate needs to commit to Greg as a high minute player when he is not plagued by fouls.

Rudy at SF – I certainly want to keep Rudy happy and playing well, but he can’t come in as a SF for Marty on a regular schedule. Rudy is an SG. Against certain opposing players, he can hang as a SF, but he gets owned by many. If anything, I’d like to see Nate give Rudy some of Brandon’s minutes when possible simply because of the amount of damage Brandon takes out there. This may not be possible very often. One exception – When Rudy’s shot is dropping, find him minutes. Take the chance at SF, and hopefully, his offensive production will outweigh his suspect defense.

Travis – Ummm, SF, please. Travis just shouldn’t play PF no matter who he is matched up against. With Batum out, it has given Nate this unexpected flexibility with Travis, minutes at SF and PF. I think he got like 38 minutes one game. Way too many. Martell is a better choice at SF and should get the bulk of the minutes, there, and Travis should get no or extremely limited minutes at PF. No small ball unless Greg and Joel are in SERIOUS foul trouble. That won’t make Travis happy, but IMO Nate is the only one who care about this. Wait, Travis probably does too.

Blake at SG – No!!!!! I can’t explain this one. Please stop, Nate.

Andre – I basically support what Nate has been doing. Split his time with Blake, give him exposure to everyone, and hope something starts to click. At the end of the game when Brandon’s controlling every possession, I honestly don’t see a place for Andre. Brandon needs a Big and 3 shooters out there with him IMO. Miller’s a much better and more versatile player than Blake, but so far, he’s not clicking with the offense. I really want Andre to start and control more of the offense. I really want Brandon to expand his game and use the signing of Andre to learn how to play off the ball. I really want to be 20 years younger and much better looking. It’s good to want things I guess.

Juwan Howard – Play him at center when the Bigs are in foul trouble and give him Travis’ 10 -12 minutes at backup PF. His game is pretty solid, and he is in great shape. Every time Travis streaks across the lane, jumps, turns, and throws up a brick – I think of you Juwan.

LMA – I love ya, man. But you are as soft as the Pilsbury Dough Boy. Your rotation is fine. You should play big minutes. No changes needed. Could you maybe move forward when you get the ball in the post 6 feet from the basket? Why does that always turn into a 12 foot jumper? Those new, improved arms are probably great with the ladies. Love to see them help the team.

I think some of what we are seeing is a side effect of Batum being injured. Honestly, with Batum healthy, I think Nate sticks to a much more rigid plan at SG and SF, Rudy and Travis play a lot less, and Blake never plays SG. Greg is being mis-managed. I am a full-on Oden homer this year. Let him play, feed him, believe in him. It’s the future. Andre and Brandon have got to figure this out. But they haven’t. Blake is still relevant for the moment.

  

by Sean M on Nov 2, 2009 3:55 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I dont like trout all that much

but its hard to argue to not play him at the 4. Anytime he has a big game, its has almost always been at the 4 spot….

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 2, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, that's a good point.

Maybe my dislike for Travis and like of Juwan Howard is showing.

by Sean M on Nov 2, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

well I agree with you there

part of me always wondered, had Nate not fallen in love with Trout…Channing might have been a viable player for us. Granted I guess Channing really wouldnt have solved any of the issues that Trout has, other than passing.

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 2, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve been one of the biggest Travis haters out there (Google “NBA’s Friendliest Cancer”), but even I have to admit that Travis has been great for the team this year. He’s stepped up in a big way as the team has needed him.

But Juwan Howard is a badass.

by robrun2 on Nov 2, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

He has had a couple bad games and a couple good games,

but he has added some diversity to his skillset and has gotten much more aggressive. I’ve never really dogged Travis in the past, but I just don’t trust his decision-making. I literally hold my breath when he has the ball. It still baffles me why Nate and Brandon trust him so much. I suppose that until I become the Blazers coach Travis get his minutes, and I turn blue from lack of oxygen.

by Sean M on Nov 3, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Quick was on with the MSP boys this AM
I am a full-on Oden homer this year. Let him play, feed him, believe in him. It’s the future

Jason said that after Greg flashed across the middle and Blake didn’t feed him the ball, Nate stamped his foot and sent Miller into the game. Either Steve has to learn to make that entry pass, or he can go back to running PnR and bounce passing the ball to Joel

Andre and Greg need to be on the court, together. That means Miller needs to start. If Roy isn’t going to be aggressive at the beginning of each half, theres not much need for Blake to be in there to “spread the floor” for #7. Shoot, Brandon’s making the 3 point shot as well as Steve, lt him space the floor for Andre, at least until late in the 4th quarter

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by two4larue on Nov 2, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

ya but...

Blake spreads the floor for #7, #12, and #52, not just #7…

by Rudiculous on Nov 3, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions  

and
  1. could also spread the floor for #12, #24 and #52 with his improved 3 point stroke.

(#23 can also help in this regard)

if #2 can’t make routine entry passes to #52, his days in the starting lineup are numbered

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by two4larue on Nov 3, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

dang

1. should be #7

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by two4larue on Nov 3, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

because...

Seven Eight Nine!!!

I love barenaked ladies

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Nov 3, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

It's good to hear Nate made that change.

I think Nate will make the necessary changes over the next two months because he will see what he likes and go with it. Andre is better than Blake. He is going to find Greg and others in the post and create easy baskets. He is going to penetrate and get layups or go to the line. Steve will throw the occasional alley oop and shoot 3’s. Nate will eventually get it and start Andre just like he started Greg.

Brandon and Andre should be able to play together at the beginning of the game. Generally, the Blazers start out trying to establish LMA and Greg. Brandon usually isn’t trying to create his own shot at that point. Andre should be able to control the offense with Brandon acting as a perimeter shooter (His long-range shot is looking pretty good). However, when Brandon takes control of the offense, I’m not really sure what to do with Andre. He is no real threat on the perimeter. I’d prefer he not take shots over 15 feet, and opposing teams will leave him open to tempt him. Really, when Brandon is in attack mode, Blake is a better choice at PG. From what I’ve seen so far, I support Blake as a closer in tight games when Brandon is initiating the offense.

It’s an interesting puzzle with no simple answer.

by Sean M on Nov 3, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

4 games into

Nate is still experimenting. It has been four games. Batum going down changed the rotation and the steadiness of that first unit. Webster returned, but as a backup. He did not have Rudy in preseason. Miller is great, but he and Roy play a similar style. Outlaw is Outlaw – he has been surprisingly more aggressive this year. It will probably take 20+ games to get all the kinks worked out.

by clonigro on Nov 2, 2009 5:02 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

20+ for kinks

but I don’t think it should take more than 10 to figure out the rotations. I hope.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Nov 3, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

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