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Wow, the Celtics got him on the cheap with all of their talk about potential issues with coach Rivers and veteran teammates. An average of $11 million per year for a young championship-quality point guard is a nice deal.

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I would rather overpay a big.

Large contracts for point guards make me nervous. An overpaid PF is way easier to move. Just ask Zach Randolph.

by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 2, 2009 5:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I still get a bit queasy when people refer to LaMarcus Aldridge as a "big," because he's a soft 4.

To me, the term “big” should be used strictly to describe pivotmen like Greg Oden and Joel Przybilla.

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by AK1984 on Nov 2, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

he's a big.

he is big.
he plays the 4 spot.

next.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Nov 2, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

He's a big

At 6’11, he’s definitely a big.

Though I would like to see more physicality, his turnaround jumper is dead-on.

Go Blazers!

by Rip City Mike on Nov 2, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't matter how soft he is.

Guys who can play the 4 and 5 are more valuable in general than guys who play the one. There are a million talented guys who are 6’0-6’3, not too many talented guys who are 6’11 and up.

It’s basic supply and demand. The league is filled with terrific point guards, and more are coming every year. Rondo might be better than Aldridge, but he’s not as rare, so he doesn’t get paid.

Roster balance is important, no? So if it’s easier to find a PG than a PF, who would you rather overpay.

by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 2, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I would like to see what would happen to his production

if he didn’t have Pierce, Garnett and Allen (who does wonders for Rondo’s assist totals).

Rondo is a great defensive pg in a time where there aren’t many of those but I think without the supporting cast he has his weak shooting would be exposed. They are effectively paying $11 million for a guy who is the fourth offensive option on his team, based on inflated numbers and even slightly inflated defensive accolades (He is very good but the Celtics team D certainly allows him more freedom to play passing lanes etc.)

Don’t know if this will be great value in 3 years when the ‘Big 3’ are past it, Sheed is retired and Rondo is surrounded by a young core of Perkins, Big Baby and ????…..thats it at present. Don’t think there will be much financial flexibility to deal with this problem either….they will at least sign Pierce to a 3 year extension and quite possibly Allen too.

That core has 2 years, at most, after this one as championship contenders. After that you are left with no young talent (no high draft picks or cap space) and an $11m pg, who reportedly has an attitude problem both on and off court, with no one to pass to.

This looks good now but I don’t see it working out unless there is some serious futureproofing going on in Boston that I am simply missing….

"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane

by MadBlaze on Nov 2, 2009 4:19 AM PST reply actions  

That's a fair question, but a weak supporting cast is a problem for any point guard especially regarding assists

His deal is similar to the one Tony Parker got, who can’t shoot from outside either and is arguably benefitting from playing with Duncan, Ginobili, and shooters like Finley his whole career.

I would have been worried for Boston if they had signed Rondo to a $75 million deal, since that would have made him very difficult to move if things go south in terms of chemistry or production. For about the same money guys like Bargnani, Gordon, Villanueva got he seems very movable if that should ever be necessary.

But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart

by Norsktroll on Nov 2, 2009 5:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Parker doesn't have an outside shot?

I thought he had a real pretty one. If Rondo develops a jumper he’ll be unstoppable.

by 50backflips on Nov 2, 2009 6:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Definately not a 3pt shot at least.

He’s a career 31.3% 3pt shooter. His career high was 39.5% in 2006-07, but that was on only 0.5 attempts per game. His past two years are 25.8% and 29.2%. According to 82games.com, he only had a 42.4 eFG% last season on jumpers, which means he wasn’t that good on 2pt jumpers either.

On Rondo, I think he’s an underrated offensive player and an overrated defensive player. I think his extension was a nice deal for the Celtics, assuming the chemistry and maturity issues were just overblown.

by poster on Nov 2, 2009 7:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Completely disagree with your last paragraph

Offensively, he would be a non-factor if he didn’t have 4 current or former all-stars that require defensive attention. His ability to drive and shoot a ridiculous percetage from the floor (over 50% last year, not many guards do that) was to a great degree possible because Allen and Pierce keep defenders from collapsing or punish them when they do. Sheed will also help with that this year.

Defensively he is on of the best in the league for his position. Great lateral movement, speed, fundamentals, wingspan and hands. All the tools and ability to be great at that end – and he is.

Still not paying him $11 million per year – bad history of highly paid point guards with attitude issues + his team making him look better than he is just spell problems to me.

"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane

by MadBlaze on Nov 2, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

This move is great no matter how you look at it I think.

You are correct in that they probably only have 2 more years in the championship window, but once it closes they have a supreme, young and talented PG who will be coveted by many teams. If they decide to rebuild, they can rebuild around him ( probably not a good idea ), or trade him for a hefty price tag of young studs, cash, and picks. In the meantime their core is intact. 10 million per year is not too much for a PG who was at one point averaging a triple double in the playoffs.

by dario argento on Nov 3, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought it was too late to reach a deal

Since its after October 31.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Nov 2, 2009 9:07 AM PST reply actions  

Rules are made for small market teams!

You know that Darius Miles preseason games would not have been counted on his contract exception last year if he’d been on the Lakers, Celtics, Caveliers, Spurs or Heat, right?

by Anim8rguy on Nov 2, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

NBA guidelines

say that if the deadline falls on a weekend, it gets extended to the next business day, i.e. Monday. There were stories about this last week.

by Royster on Nov 2, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

This just leaves the Celtic window open for maybe one more year

I think after next season the Big 3 are done.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Nov 2, 2009 10:17 AM PST reply actions  

Not quite fair to compare Aldridge deal to Rondo deal

Although I agree that the Celts got a pretty good deal on a very good player, to say this demonstrates Aldridge was a poor value is a poor read of the situation for both the Blazers and the Celtics.

Pritchard had already laid the groundwork for a contending team around Roy, Aldridge and Oden. Thus, the Blazers had really no choice but to extend Aldridge. There was no credible substitute. If we hadn’t signed him, we would have had to basically start over. If he ends up being a bad deal, we will have to start over.

With the Celts and Rondo, it’s different. They are essentially making their first preparations for their team after Pierce and Garnett are done. Rondo is now their first building block. Contrast this to the Aldridge deal, where the contract extension was the final step of a plan long in motion, and where the Blazers had no choice for it to succeed.

Additionally, there is more uncertainty involved with Rondo, because he will be asked to move from being a high quality role player to leading man. Aldridge’s role will essentially stay the same.

So even though Rondo looks like a snip while Aldridge’s contract may look bloated, on second thought I think they are both probably fine deals considering the realities both teams are facing.

by atomiccafe on Nov 2, 2009 12:36 PM PST reply actions  

If my team asked me to become the leading man in the future, I would demand more than when I was supposed to be the second or third fiddle on a team even if that team is of higher quality. Pierce didn’t ask for less than the max when he was the #1 on the Celtics, and KG also didn’t have the team cut his salary a lot.

But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart

by Norsktroll on Nov 2, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Why didn’t the Blazers pursue a deal for him when the Celtics expressed some dissatisfaction with him and there where rumors that he was available for trade?

Another point guard it seems the Blazers could have pursued is Mike Bibby. He reportedly signed a three year deal for 18 million to re-sign with the Hawks. He’s 2 years younger than Miller and has the outside shot the Blazers covet.

by Energy on Nov 2, 2009 5:51 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think he was ever available

Ainge and Rivers just badmouthed him to keep his cost down.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Nov 2, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

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