Bench Blake - POLL
by Frederlk on Nov 19, 2009 7:06 AM PST
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Okay, let's get to it. Should McMillan bench Steve Blake and put him in the second lineup? Personally I think Yes!..He should put in Rudy Fernandez or perhaps Martell Webster and allow more minutes for our developing guy Jerryd Bayless... Please vote and let us know what people's thoughts are... Blake getting starter minutes...makes me frustrated..he's not playing that well? He is a great guy, a great worker, a good shooter and fits in with the guys...don't get me wrong..I just don't think him as starter will make our team into what we want it to be. VOTE!
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If we're going to start a three-guard line-up . . .
I’d like to see Rudy in there in place of Blake. It makes sense in so many ways: Rudy can spread the floor just like Blake can, but he can also act as a playmaker and is far better on the break and initiating breaks.
the poster formerly known as sergioftw, in recovery
Also,
Rudy is a better rebounder than Blake, which is needed with the small line-up.
the poster formerly known as sergioftw, in recovery
I think the days of whole 1st and 2nd units are over
We’re gonna have to start staggering our substitutions so there are always 2 or three starters in there. With the current injuries and line-ups it seems the smart way to go.
the poster formerly known as sergioftw, in recovery
Yes Please!!!
No more 1st unit second unit trash.
Game time is no longer practice time.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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How about Bertha and Berta?
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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winners and losers
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Nov 19, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
The real crunch is pushed to the third unit
When Nate wakes up and starts Rudy, the 2nd unit will desperately need rebounding what with first Oden and Miller and now Rudy being moved to the 1st unit. So then Nate will choose Dante over Blake for the 2nd unit and Blake will slide to 3rd unit.
But there’s no way we win with our lineups that out of balance-maybe we could trade Blake for Kwame Brown? They would take it if we threw in Bayless.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Nov 19, 2009 8:50 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Blake should have been the backup PG from day 1
Nothing’s changed
Problem is the second unit wouldn’t be able to score at all. I thought Marty was going to play this year but it looks like not.
Blazer Fan
In that sense I will admit Trav's injury hurts
No scorer off the bench
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 19, 2009 7:26 AM PST up reply actions
I do favor a starting unit of whatever we have right now.
Because we are all of a sudden playing really well in 1st quarters. It looks good, it is good…
Our problem is the last quarter.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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Great point...
..it seems like that old complaint about slow starts has been replaced by the bench Blake crowd… I wonder if they’re the same folks?
our entire team has turned over.
we used to close games well-now we suck at it. we used to start slow, now we bust games open. roy used to shoulder the burden down the stretch, now he tries to facilitate. people used to cheer for blake and outlaw now they want them traded. oden used to foul a lot…ok that hasn’t changed.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
Nate plays Blake because of his stability
Rudy is better at Blake in many facets of the game, but Blake isn’t a guard who is going to take too many risks and turn the ball over on silly plays. He’s a VERY solid three point shooter (so is Rudy) and he sees the floor just fine. He’s a good player to have out there to build a lead but a player like Rudy is better to have out there to extend a lead and put the game out of reach. I see what Nate is doing. If I were coach I’d probably start Rudy, but it doesn’t baffle me to see Blake still starting and earning big minutes.
Is Blake anything more than a 3pt shooter?
Can he direct the offense, create for himself, create for other players or play strong defense? Blake doesn’t make a lot of mistakes because he’s not really expected to do a lot. Blake seems like a “three and D” player without great D, while Rudy offers more dynamic offense and more size on defense.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
How bout a poll on how many people...
…are sick and tired of this topic!..
For crying out loud wait until the RESULTS say make a change. Your emotional or even reasonable and well thought out hate for Steve Blake will not change the line up no matter how many Polls or “Steve Blake is Dead to Me” or “Why is Blake Playing so Many Minutes” Posts you write. The fact is that this line up is 7 wins and 1 loss while winning 5 out of 6 on the road and playing a brutal 8 games in 13 nights. Prior to this line up we started 2-3 and lost two home games.
I am well aware everyone has the right to their own opinion which is why my opinion is that “fans” who can’t get over something like this will find someone or something to gripe about while we win the World Championship because they have to have something to be mad at… Absolutely blows my mind!
Great game last night Steve!.. We really needed your shooting both from the field and clutch free throws down the stretch. Your individual defense was strong and your effort was great…like it is every game!
GO BLAZERS!!!..
by Ilikeemall on Nov 19, 2009 10:15 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
Blake had a bad game and deserves to be called out.
I think it’s super obvious to everyone that Blake is NOT A STARTER in the NBA. Sure, he’s a decent backup, but that’s all. If you’re sick of reading about the complaining, maybe you shouldn’t read the posts. Better idea, why even take the time to comment?
"The two things you've got to do to give yourself a chance to win games. One, you've got to shoot the ball. Second thing, we've got to play defense."
- Nate McMillan
My argument to that is 9-4
8-2 on our last ten, and only barely losing the games we’ve lost. AND all that after missing two key players. If it ain’t broke, stop complaining.
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
"Ride it until it stops working" is a faulty theory
Nate plays this way because he’s always guessing. I believe that Blake has been riding on the coattails of the Blazer’s success. Just because the Blazers are winning, Blake should be starting? I’m not saying Blake is a bad player, but if he’s playing 30+ minutes, why even bring Miller on to the team at all?
Rudy > Blake. Hopefully Nate realizes this sooner than later.
"The two things you've got to do to give yourself a chance to win games. One, you've got to shoot the ball. Second thing, we've got to play defense."
- Nate McMillan
Ginobili>Finley
But where are they more effective?
Keep your expectations low and you won't be disappointed.
I would buy this analogy
if Rudy were the one getting 30 minutes and closing out games – he’s not, Blake is. My primary beef with this situation is I think Nate is mis-using his resources. My personnal preference would be to see Martell start and get 20 or so minutes per game, more if he’s on less if he’s off (like Nic last season), Rudy get 30 or so off the bench, and 15-20 for Blake (game by game as with Martell).
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 19, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
Rudy was in the game almost the entire 4th quarter last night.
And he should be in the game the way he’s playing defense recently. He got 28 minutes and was 0 for 4 from 3, so his offense wasn’t there as much as usual. His minutes will go up with Outlaw out for the season.
If we’re comparing Blake and Martell, then pretty much all of his 20 minutes which you argue should be contingent upon playing decent should have gone to Blake. Martell has been awful as of late, out of control, missing open looks, etc.
Keep your expectations low and you won't be disappointed.
But Rudy wasn't in when Blake was turning the ball over left and right
in crunch time. When Nate put in Miller (the right call, imo) it should have been for Steve. As for Martell, he has been dreadful lately, so I admit my “start him” argument is somewhat counterintuitive. But my two points are (1) he was playing well as a starter pre 3 guard lineup and (2) Brandon Roy is outt of sorts right now, and I think guarding 3s when the Blazers go man is part of that. Roy is the offensive fulcrum of this team, so I think the move (even if it meant benching Dre, which I would not agree with) should be made to get him going.
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 19, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
They're trying to win in the playoffs
not look good in November. They’ve looked bad down the stretch the last six games, so I think we at least know our closing lineup isn’t getting it done. Last year the Blazers seemed to get better as the game went along, but this year they fade down the stretch. I almost felt more confident they’d win last year when they were down by 10 than this year when they’re up 10.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Nov 19, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
How bout this plan...
I’ll continue to read what I’d like and post what I’d like and you feel free to do the same!..
I have the same right to defend Steve Blake as you or anyone else has to bash him and guess what…
It may be “super obvious” to you that Blake is not a starter but it’s “totally obvious” to me that Nate is the one making the call and he’s STARTING… I’s also worth my time to mention… we’re playing pretty good ball…and winning!
If you’re going to be snarky try to add something to the discussion that might sway someone’s opinion instead of saying if you don’t like it don’t read it. That’s kind of like me saying if you don’t like Steve Blake starting don’t watch the Blazers.
17 points. 5/10 shooting. 3/6 from 3. 4/4 from the line. Terrible!
He had a couple of dumb turnovers in the 4th, but iced the game with a huge 3 after the team was dark-side-of-the-moon cold. Bias always exists, but Blake detractors should approach their evaluation of his play with a little more intellectual honesty. People here are always citing stats, but basically ignore them when said stats don’t support their point of view.
Keep your expectations low and you won't be disappointed.
Blake's stats don't show everything.
He’s one of those players that always has a decent stat line, but he doesn’t do a lot of the important little things that don’t show up in the box score. For example, Blake doesn’t control the offense very effectively. He usually can avoid turning the ball over a lot, but that’s because he’s a very safe player.
"The two things you've got to do to give yourself a chance to win games. One, you've got to shoot the ball. Second thing, we've got to play defense."
- Nate McMillan
The great thing about BE
Is that there are enough posts on enough topics that you don’t have to read about or discuss the ones you don’t like or agree with.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
Does that mean we should be divided into little pockets of agreement?
It wouldn’t really make for very good discussion if we only commented on things we agree with would it? If that’s the case why is there more then one choice in the poll?
In my opinion the great thing about BE is that we are all passionate Blazers fans that have minds of our own and the ability to discuss without resorting to name calling and childish insults.
I think discussion is great
I think reasoned disagreement is great too. I just don’t understand people talking about topics they are “sick and tired” of reading about. Its pretty simple to me: if you disagree with a topic, go ahead and disagree with it; if you don’t want to read a topic, don’t read it.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
So if that's true...
Would it also be true that if people are “sick and tired” of Steve Blake starting they should just watch another team?
I read all the fanposts that come up on the page when I hit the tab. I also comment on the things I don’t agree with. Nothing wrong with that and I will continue to do so.
For general information I in no way thought that my being sick and tired of this topic would stem the tide of comments about it. As I have said before people have the right to fanpost whatever they like. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with it.
I don't understand your first point
but I don’t have problem with the rest. If you disagree with a post, there’s nothing wrong with making a reasoned argument in response. That discussion is what keeps an online community active and healthy.
On the other hand, saying “I’m sick and tired of hearing this” or “Why is this a fanpost?”, etc isn’t all that helpful. Discussing player peformance (good or bad) isn’t really the same.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
The difference between my comment and your comment...
Is that I was disagreeing with your opinion, while you were saying this topic should not even be discussed. “How bout a poll on how many people are sick and tired of this topic!” I wasn’t telling you what to do; I was only questioning your reasoning. So again, if you’re sick of the topic, why waste the time of responding to it?
"The two things you've got to do to give yourself a chance to win games. One, you've got to shoot the ball. Second thing, we've got to play defense."
- Nate McMillan
(supposed to be a response to Nikeemall. Sorry)
"The two things you've got to do to give yourself a chance to win games. One, you've got to shoot the ball. Second thing, we've got to play defense."
- Nate McMillan
Show me in your post where the "disagreeing with my opinion" part is.
I think it’s super obvious to everyone that Blake is NOT A STARTER in the NBA. Sure, he’s a decent backup, but that’s all. If you’re sick of reading about the complaining, maybe you shouldn’t read the posts. Better idea, why even take the time to comment?
The post you replied to… once you got past the one quote you chose to use… was about the results generated by the line up Nate is using and about the fact that people complain about player and coaching decisions for reasons that are purely emotional.
The irony of your post is that you are telling me not to reply if I don’t like what is said… While you are replying to something you don’t like that was said…
My original post was directed at the OP and the general population… not at you personally. That is the difference between my comment and yours.
by Ilikeemall on Nov 19, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't mean to upset you...
and I agree with you that the Blazers have been playing pretty well lately with the new lineup they’ve been using. However, they’ve been doing it against primarily bad teams and they haven’t been closing games out well. It’s my opinion that Blake is no better than a backup PG in this league and, accordingly, should only be getting about 15 min a game. Just because Blake is starting and the Blazers are winning doesn’t mean we’ve all of a sudden found the perfect formula and that Blake is the answer for us.
People on BE have the right to critique players without having to be told by someone else not to just because that person is sick and tired of the topic.
"The two things you've got to do to give yourself a chance to win games. One, you've got to shoot the ball. Second thing, we've got to play defense."
- Nate McMillan
Rest assured I am not upset...
It is absolutely ok that we disagree about Steve’s value to this team. I value players differently then most so I am used to it. Character and past contribution to the development of the current Blazer culture is important to me and I understand that it is not as important to others.
The heading to my post that you have quoted was similiar to the title of a Fanpost… it was designed to get attention and it may have worked too well. I am not arrogant or ignorant enough to think that I can tell people what they can or can’t say on this blog. There are many, many very educated and dedicated fans on here that I have learned alot from and I have no interest in trying to tell anyone how they should feel or what they should say.
It is well documented that we have played some rather weak opponents and there is no disputing that. It is also true that while the opponents have been weak the schedule has been pretty tough. It is very possible that when the Boston’s and L*ker’s of the world come up on the schedule that the current line up may be exposed and changes may need to be made. I simply choose to believe that when that time comes it will be handled. I see no reason to nitpick at Steve Blake when the results do not dictate nitpicking.
It is a fundamental difference in philosophy… That’s ok though… Keeps it interesting.
None of this is personal and we all have one common goal… to see our Blazers be the best they can be… So…
GO BLAZERS!!!
Well said
Go Blazers!
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
Forgive me if this has been stated already.
I haven’t read every comment regarding this.
The only problem I see is that the second unit would be much more effective with Miller on point. The same is true with the starting squad as well though. A starting squad of Miller/Rudy/Roy/LMA/Oden sounds excellent. I guess Blake could be SG in the 2nd squad with Bayless on point? Vice versa? Bayless/Blake/Webster/Howard or Cunningham/Pryz?
I’d like to see it action before I can give it a thumbs up.
An Oregonian in Texas.
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