Gameday Open Thread: Pistons vs. Blazers--Post-Game
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Bevis.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
never fails
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
I just hit refresh
And the k@be bryant pistons are within 6…What the heck?
If you have nothing constructive to say about someone, I prefer that you say nothing at all.
"If Jumping to conclusions, Kicking others when they do not do well and Launching into senseless tirades were Olympic Events, some people around here would be Medal Contenders". Me
Correct diagnosis!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I just hope it doesn't lead to 09-10 Utahitis, which seems terminal and incurable.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Jim Durham & Dr. Jack Ramsay would form a first-rate radio announcing duo, but that's a pipe dream.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
How about The Cable Guy?
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The concussion must have jarred him into "Destroy All Opposition Terminator Mode!" - BlazersOrBust
29:20 Mins, 10-19 FGs, +14, 4 Off, 13 Rebs, 1 Ast, 1 Stl, 20 points!!!! LMA vs David West 11-13-09
are you kidding?
No Outlaw and no Batum make B4M go something something
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
In honor of Bill Simmons being in attendence...
That was a perfect example of the “moral defeat.”
i'm still laughing about that Steve Blake reverse layup.
it’s on loop in my head.
by DefenderOfPants on Nov 18, 2009 9:34 PM PST reply actions
Good thing he hit that three at the end
Because he was playing pretty awful in the 4th.
Garden Variety Internet Denizen
WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
Ezra Caraeff of the Portland Mercury with the tweet of the night
Steve Blake is a hero. (That is, if you consider burning down a house and then rescuing everyone in it to be heroic.)
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Nov 18, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
nice that he was able to redeem
bad that he spilled the gas and lit the match
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
McMillan as the not-so-innocent bystander was relieved that there were
casualties in this conflaguration
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
It is kinda superheroish
Most superhero movies have the girl the hero likes in danger because of him and then he saves her. Let’s just hope Blake does a better job saving us than Batman did with Rachael Dawes in The Dark Knight.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Nov 18, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe Roy should start passing the ball to Greg when he is rolling to the hoop, like he does for Pryz and his bad hands.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Joel Stonehands
does have the virtue of being much easier to pronounce, as well as more accurate. (Though I still love the guy,)
Blake's shot made me leave the game...
Or at least my seat…
“That was the most putrid reverse layup attempt in the proud history of the NBA…”
If only Bill Walton was still announcing, I have to think that’s what he would’ve said…
After that brick, my 9 year old said “I’m pretty tired, Dad, can we go?”… Well, if I wasn’t married, I would’ve said “suck it up, son, it’s the fourth quarter”, but I never would have heard the end of it from the boss, so, after that shot…
we left our seats.. Figured we’d watch a few more points on the way out.. down to the first floor… Dre missing those two free throws, and the lineup, made us leave the building (I would’ve been really mad if we lost, so I figured I might as well keep peace at home)…
Man, they tough to watch in the fourth tonite…
Has a 9-4 team with the best point diferental in the conference while missing 2 key contributors
received so much scrutany?
bayless leaves over my dead body
thanks for starting Andre
You don't think they can, and should be better?
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
In the meanwhile, we debate how that will happen
hence the ‘scrutiny’
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
do you think they wont get better
by just playing together—you know, like last year.
bayless leaves over my dead body
thanks for starting Andre
by thomasikehara on Nov 18, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
partially
but the players do not decide the rotations
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
The "Rise With Us" fans that lived for hustle plays, effort and highlights..
Watch the whole game, and these games have been uglier than ever, regardless of the ability to grit out wins at the last second against below .500 teams…
Yep. All you have to do is use your eyes instead of reading page after page of dry stats. It's pretty obvious that Portland is about the 6 team in the West right now. Expectations were for them to be the 2.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
We ain't playing well
I am certain that we can play a lot better, and will.
We ain’t playing anywhere close to as good as last season, and are still doing much better defensively and in the W/L column. It will get better.
The big difference is our offense is NOWHERE close to as good as it was last year, while our defense (anchored around Oden for 20 minutes a night) has been really good… better than I expected.
The offense will come around.
by Mortimer on Nov 18, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you are probably right.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
of course those #s matter
at the end of the regular season not after 13 games
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
And the beautiful thing is...
We have the record of a second place team… while playing like @#$%
its a good thing they arn't peaking right now
bayless leaves over my dead body
thanks for starting Andre
by thomasikehara on Nov 18, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
Take the 9-4, then check it against strength of schedule and you will see that 9-4 is almost meaningless in the face of our play.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
lets see
8 games against play-off team from a year ago.
I say thats pretty challanging
bayless leaves over my dead body
thanks for starting Andre
by thomasikehara on Nov 18, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
Wins over Minny twice don't mean a lot
But Minny, Memphis are only 3 games. Detroit isn’t good, but they’re around .500… it’s been a non-bad schedule and the road trip was nice because of playing Minny twice, but overall it hasn’t been a cakewalk schedule.
The Spurs have also been awful as well as New Orleans.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
Lies, damned lies, and...
That’s why the BCS bites…
We played the team that knocked us out of the playoffs (didn’t Houston just beat LA?), and split.
We played our co-division champion, and lost a game when their superstar went off for 40+.
Then we go on the road and go 4-1 against 3 teams we should beat (but one was a back to back), and lose the best team in hoops right now, in OT…
I know that wins against Memphis and Charlotte and Minnesota aren’t impressive, but we have had a pretty difficult stretch, if you ask me… Oh, and we did it without 2 of our best 7 players…
I'm going to the MInny game
If we do that against them I will lose it.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
If we blow a big lead like that
I mean.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I'll be okay with that
But not that happy.
I wants me some Dantelicious basketball in the 4th.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
more likely to see a big lead blown and win
but I wish Nate would give Inferno a little play, especially when the team is rolling
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
We should blow out the Wolves
Without too much trouble.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
We should blow out the lottery-bound, top 2 stars sitting, back-to-backing Pistons without too much trouble.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Your L*kers had the exact same problem
Sometimes good teams struggle against bad opponents. They win though – because they’re good.
The good news
Is we’re not going down big like we did last year.
The bad news, is we still have issues holding leads. That will come as this team grows.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
It was redemption night at the RG
Screw up badly then make a few big plays at the end for the W.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
These wins are shameful.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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agreed
is there such a thing as a “moral loss?”
Marty has no game.
Flaky is… well, flaky.
Miller choking.
Oden not doing much.
Nate still not figuring out how to combat Roy double teams after three straight years of watching that ish.
ugh.
all that
and yet a win. I think it is impressive that a team can win while playing poorly. On more than one occasion
bayless leaves over my dead body
thanks for starting Andre
by thomasikehara on Nov 18, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
perspective
might be the mark of a good team… to win when all cylanders aren’t firing.
Could it be the PTB are a bit exhausted after the road trip. Is it even possible or should the expectation be peak performance every game?
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
That seems silly.
We’ve been playing this way thus far.
It might be nice to see just one game where we play well.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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Right!
You’d think!!
I get what you are saying, that we are winning with this crap we must be pretty darn good!
But this is not the play that wins games against > .500 play.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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now we are getting somewhere
I agree. In order to beat the elite teams the PTB have got to improve. I’m confident they can do that. I am also keeping in mind losing Batum and Outlaw has hurt the team much more then expected. It will take time to adjust.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
The double teaming bothers me the most
They haven’t been playing well at the end of games and a lot of it is that there isn’t the spacing Roy has last year for his iso plays. Tonight usually Blake or Rudy was the only shooter out there with Miller, LMA and Oden/Joel. They’re running the same plays at the end of games, but Roy doesn’t have any spacing and teams can put 4 guys in the paint and just make sure they have someone close to Blake or Rudy.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Nov 18, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
how did we almost blow a 20 point lead in 1 quarter?
were we attacked by a shark?
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 18, 2009 9:39 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
listen up y'all?
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 18, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
You can't stand it, you know he planned
I’ma set it straight, this blazergate…
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 18, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
McMillan is blaming his subs, right now
instead of taking responsibility for not putting the right guys in to deal with being outcoached
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
Please tell me you're joking...
I hate Comcast
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
Start Rudy
by blazeraddict on Nov 18, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
So,So,So, So Listen Up 'Cause You Can't Sub Nothin'
Detroit Shut Us Down With A Push Of their Button
But yo, I’m Out And I’m Gone
I’ll Tell You Now I Keep It On And On
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 18, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Drexler's Pistons totally waylaid us!
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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WTF is up with the postgame Blake love???
Blake gets the post game interview and the play of the game for his “clutch” play? Really? Yeah he made a 2nd chance three after single handedly trying to blow a 20 pt lead after Miller left the game in the 4th. Great game Blake, you deserve the love. Right.
why was Howard in so long anyways?
Our rotations are pretty awful without Batum and Trout, sigh
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WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
the Blazers are fast too
but they don’t get to show it, too often.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
Juwan Howard should be shuffled off to a senior living facility.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Someone has to play Channing’s role of smooth talking and bad play.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
Howard did have a clutch basket (made one in the fourth)
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
upon further review
i might be inclined to agree with you. It’s been my long-stated opinion that Howard is hardly a liability because of lack of playing time. Except, tonight he only got 10 minutes. Jury is still out in my mind tho – I’m interested in seeing the right combination of subs/starters before rendering a final opinion.
Unfortunately, my faith in McMillan to provide the good rotations is very low.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
Tough call..
on who to waive, Mills or Juwan…
webster was fine.
he didn’t hit his open threes, but there was nothing wrong with the rest of his game during the fourth.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
I wasn't talking about his D
I was talking about his horrible decision making, multiple turnovers, passing with a second left on the clock and a complete lack of how to help keep a lead. His D being bad is a nightly given.
Well, I can't lay it all on Blake's feet
But he would have been voted for the LVP if we lost that one.
Still, can’t say I am surprised by the post game Blake love. Never mind the fact that he was the main culprit in putting us in that situation.
A win is a win is a win
Now beat GS and build a streak.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Steve Blake
Wow. I know he hit a big 3/2 FTs at the end, but that was one of the worst stretches of individual play in the NBA I have seen in a while. Nate keeps waxing on how minutes are earned – if I was Fernandez, Bayless, or Martell (3 guys who sit behind Blake – especially Rudy given his level of play over 2 NBA seasons) I would seriously be questioning what I would need to do to beat that guy out. Nate is in the tank for him, and it will cost this team important games if it isn’t remedied.
I hate Comcast
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
Start Rudy
by blazeraddict on Nov 18, 2009 9:43 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
i think steve blake was watching Outlaw’s “How to Dribble Up Court” video from the summer a little too much.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Sad part is that Blake played similar to a middle school kid playing against pressure defense.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Bingo!
Sad part is that Blake played similar to a middle school kid playing against pressure defense.
Possibly excusable in a SF, but not in a veteran NBA PG.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Sadly, I agree
He gets too flustered in those situations, which is not what you want in your PG… even if he’s playing SG.
Team Drake
pulled through in the end, but that was an ugly fourth quarter.
by ODEN on a stick on Nov 18, 2009 9:46 PM PST reply actions
Ben on Twitter
man, steve blake is clutch dead
I hate Comcast
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
Start Rudy
I thought I smelled burnt clutch!
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The concussion must have jarred him into "Destroy All Opposition Terminator Mode!" - BlazersOrBust
29:20 Mins, 10-19 FGs, +14, 4 Off, 13 Rebs, 1 Ast, 1 Stl, 20 points!!!! LMA vs David West 11-13-09
WE WANT RUDY LATE!
Let him be da man.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Problem is, I don't trust Rudy's handle late in game either
And Roy, for some reason, have been dribbling off his feet a lot this season. These days, only ballhandler I trust is Dre.
Roy always does that early in the year
He and LMA both improve steadily over the season.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Fire Dean Demopoulos!
Rumor has it that he taught Blake everything he knows.
I don't know why I bother.
Sergio isn’t a Blazer any longer. But, the one thing he didn’t do as well as Blake is shoot the ball. Sergio would not have had any trouble with those double teams. And he wouldn’t have forced the ball inside the way Blake did tonight.
Mike Fratello & Eric Musselman > Nate McMillan & Dean Demopoulos.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
ugh.
And let me guess? I starting lineup of Kurt Thomas, Greg Ostertag, Nick Collision, and a few other white guys?
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Kurt Thomas isn't white.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I know.
I can’t figure out his appeal to you!
(I’m 85% kidding. You have a very high white person to favorite player ration, but it’s probably just coincidence)
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I think Mortimer hit the nail on the head when he observed there's an inordinate amount ...
of white players in the NBA who fit my approved style of play. Now, with that said, I’ve always claimed the Portland Trail Blazers already have its core in place with franchise cornerstones Brandon Roy and Greg Oden — with me rather begrudgingly accepting LaMarcus Aldridge as a tertiary of the so-called “Big Three,” even though I’d feel more comfortable with somebody more productive like Chris Bosh — and they’re far from white.
(Intermission for watching the first part of tonight’s episode of South Park.)
I, however, do like a lot of role players who are white, but it’s more because of their skill set than anything. Kirk Hinrich is the perfect 1 — as he’s a defensive-minded off guard who can spread the floor — to pair with Roy. Regarding Nick Collison, he’s an efficient, hard-nosed defender/rebounder who’d be an optimal backup 4/emergency 5 on the Trail Blazers, which lack substantial frontline depth.
I could go further on this topic, but I must get back to South Park before the commericals end in the next minute.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Yeah, unless they got long flowing locks you don't specifically like guys for being white
You like tough, hard nosed, hard working guys who play defense and have good fundamentals and rebound and whatnot.
Just so happens, because of physical limitations, those type of guys tend to be white. So, you like white dudes.
It’s an easy joke even I like to make about you though, for funsies. You’d love Bayless if he had Fabio hair.
"You’d love Bayless if he had Fabio hair."
Behind Brandon Roy, Marquis Daniels — who has damn fine dreadlocks — would’ve made a good backup 2.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
were you for or against Brockman being a Blazer?
testing your white man and Husky biases, here in one question…
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
I hate Jon Brockman, because he sucks on defense.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
To further elaborate, though, this team would need a different type of small forward to suit the ...
Hawk offense run by Mike Fratello. In fact, Fratello is a head coach for whom I’d advocate targeting a weakside slasher type like Gerald Wallace to man the 3.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Well at least Blake knows his role........Designated Whipping Boy!
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The concussion must have jarred him into "Destroy All Opposition Terminator Mode!" - BlazersOrBust
29:20 Mins, 10-19 FGs, +14, 4 Off, 13 Rebs, 1 Ast, 1 Stl, 20 points!!!! LMA vs David West 11-13-09
I wonder if he reads this blog?
Based on what Mike and Mike say, I would think that he’s in the gym too often to read.. anything.
We didn't show up Simmons
But We got the W, so I DONT CARE!
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Don't worry guys
this is blakes last year on his contract.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
or what if
blazers resigned him to a big extension
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
It won't be that big, considering a number of point guards hit free agency next summer
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
i think blazer fans underestimated
the impact of batum’s absence.
Marty’s absolutely garbage out there, and we’ve got no other sf.
I'm thinking Udoka would probably be more productive than Webster right now.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Ime Udoka never should've been waived to retain an injured non-prospect like Patty Mills.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I've gone over this numerous times already, so I'm too lazy to rehash it in detail.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Patty Mills = waterbug.
Speedy, bad decision making, poor passing, poor offense in general, no chance at a Portland roster.
What we already have in Jerryd Bayless whom AK doesn’t like one bit.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
I think this is the main problem.
Martell isn’t giving us anything on offense, which means nate can’t play him much as that would put too much pressure on the other guys to produce. That means Roy has to guard 3’s more, which makes him more tired by the end of the game, which leads to sloppy play, turnovers and blowing 4th quarter leads. Roy was really missing somebody who could create their own shot on the perimeter tonight, (Travis). Rudy is just not consistent enough to create off the dribble, he’s more of a play finisher rather than an initiator.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
I recognize that name
CleBlazer1 from O LIve?
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
100% agreed, Marty looks completely lost
Time to trade him, fast, to somebody who still thinks he’s a lottery pick…
I am absolutely livid
The one thing I take away from this game is that Steve Blake cannot play, and never has played well, in the 4th quarter. period. the guy suddenly isn’t himself, which, though not good, is definitely better then our 4th-quarter-Blake. He does the “i’m open, pass, then ill pumpfake, stop, and get triple teamed, and throw it away”.
We have the 2nd best Spanish Player in the world.. sitting on the BENCH!!!
by collectiveshane on Nov 18, 2009 9:52 PM PST reply actions
Kinda funny that I wasn't too upset in losing to ATL
But this “win” was more upsetting.
It is indeed a moral defeat by the Blazers.
same issues that plagued Portland in Atlanta
were in play against Detroit. There were more convenient excuses in ATL that deflected attention from root causes…
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
Rudy
Should be in at the end of games instead of Blakey.
I thought Rudy instead of Miller
because Miller was 0-4 at the line up to then…
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
I'd take missed FTs over
turnovers that trigger fast breaks and bad decision making when we are up 20.
But, I’m crazy like that.
Crunch time...
Yeah. I still go with the non-turnover guy. At least you can set your D against missed FTs.
you see Rudy as a big turnover guy
the guy who leads the league in steals off the bench
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
My 4th quarter lineup:
Miller, Rudy, Roy, Aldridge, Oden
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
by axel360 on Nov 18, 2009 9:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
The thing is that it wont happen soon, cuz Nate and Roy are both for Steve Bkake to be there in the end.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
How do you know Roy is for Blake?
for all we know Roy is thinking “are you kidding me, lets get this guy out of here” during one of Blake’s late game TOs, missed shots, bad D, in the 4th.
by collectiveshane on Nov 18, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
why would I make stuff up?
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
maybe roy said that earlier in the season..
I’m sure he’s having 2nd thoughts
by collectiveshane on Nov 18, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Ofcourse he has some thoughts cuz Roy does not want to play small forward.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Until I wont see Blake not starting I wont believe it.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Doesn't sound like he is saying you made it up
just that you believe what you say
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
His pre-season comments that
he’s comfortable with Blake on the court were largely (and correctly, imo) viewed as an endorsement of Blake
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 18, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
happen to notice
before Blake drained that 3, he immediately passed the ball to Roy and Roy immediately passed it back to Blake who ran the play thru LA back to Blake for 3
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
funny
but if Roy really had no confidence in Blake he would have dribbled the ball into a position to make a play himself. Something is amiss with all the Blake criticism coming from back seat coaches and second guessers
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
by bow4meow on Nov 18, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I haven’t criticized Blake once in this thread. My previous comment was simply amusing.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
it was funny
I laughed too. But the Blake criticism has been excessive.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
Cuz we dont have Outlaw now as a scape goat.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Exactly.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
But I think Blake deserves it.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Those childish things like positive talk when Blazers suck are over.
I mean if they want to be an elite team they should critisize them selves.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
guaranteed
those guys aren’t patting each other’s backs and thinking it was good enough. If anything this team has fight and a desire to get better. Stay hopeful.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
I know.I just dont like all the pc talk that the team gives to the fans.
I want to see that players hold each other accountble. And sometimes the fans should see it too.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Im used to it, I hardly notice it until the team totally sucks in the 4th quarter.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
And then Blake gets an interview after the game.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Rudy on his return to playing fairly well in the last few games.
Greg in general is always good.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
Its my opiunion that the pc talk stunts the team growth.
Pc talk is a double standard, cuz what they say is not what they do. I guess thats why its pc.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
congrats RipCity
you made me laugh instead of the normal hair pull I give myself from reading your posts… well done
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
Thats why I dont type allot now.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
I encourage you to keep posting
I may not agree with you often but appreciate your conviction
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
I was talking Blake up after the Atlanta game, despite his poor shooting night...
But this was bad, and he was standing in the way of my boy Rudy. Do you really think Blake deserves 35 minutes tonight? More than Andre, more than Blake, and only 1 minute less than Roy?
RUDY > MJ
I think 35 is alot for Blake
and would like to see Bayless come in earlier to spell a few of those minutes for Blake and/or Miller. Not sure if Bayless is hurt or just a DNP-CD. I’d also like to see Rudy get more minutes.
I still feel before long Blake will be backing up Miller. Eventually and I think before longs teams are going to adapt to and take advantage of the PTB 3 guard line-up. I’m surprised I haven’t seen more of it. Although it clearly is not allowing the Blazers to get the rebounding they critically need late in ball games.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
given the high ceilings of guys on the bench
35 is way too much for steve
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 18, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
faith or not
less minutes for blake = less 3g lineup = more mins for webster, bayless, and maybe rudy
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 18, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
IMO
The only time Roy should play small forward, is to make room for Rudy at sg. Even then, we are talking about an offensive defensive switch. Roy is the 3 on D, Rudy is the 3 on O…
RUDY > MJ
what about Rudy?
I figure you already had this figured out, but I am upset that Blake got more minutes than Miller and RUDY. I love the win, but playing Blake this much is fools gold in my opinion…
RUDY > MJ
Yeah
Thats it.
Cos coaches never stick with players too long and wait until its plainly obvious that they need to be pulled to do it. Never.
BTW Brandon is the best player on this team. That doesn’t give him the right to keep a backup pg in the starting 5 over more deserving and capable players. It just doesn’t.
But as Nate and Brandon go, so do the Blazers. As a result I fully expect to see Blake starting as we head into the playoffs.
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
I would agree had Portland lost
Cos coaches never stick with players too long and wait until its plainly obvious that they need to be pulled to do it. Never.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
even more coach pulled Miller when he was on the roll, and same with Oden.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Thats flawed logic IMO
As had Blake been pulled in lieu of Miller and later Rudy down the stretch we would never have been in the position to lose.
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
That's why KP has to save us...
and deal Steve NOW! (I’d ship off Martell and Trout too, in a minute). C’mon KP, you know the only way to use your depth is to make an unbalanced trade for a superstar, don’t you?. Well, time to earn your pay again…
That's been my fave lineup since the trade...
I sure hope somebody makes KP an offer they can’t refuse for our 2 expiring contracts (Blake and Trout), because that’s the only way Nate won’t overplay Steve right now..
If you want the GM to trade a player because he's getting too much playing time
Then your problem is no longer with that player…
Oh, I'm not saying Nate's not to blame...
I just don’t think he can stop…
Addicts need to remove the source of the addiction. I good sponsor like KP should send Blake, Martell, and Travis packing…
I'd love to have Blake as a backup PG.
He’d make a solid 10-15 min PG with a nice three.
I don’t like giving up a perfectly good backup PG when we struggle to find solid PG’s.
I don’t wish to trade him simply because the coach wants to play a backup PG for 40 minutes.
I'm all for benching Steve Blake for Rudy Fernandez late in games, but I want to quit seeing people ramble ...
on and on about Jerryd Bayless. In the high-low zone offense, Bayless is a 2 and Blake is either a 1 or 3. Those two guys have totally different styles of play. Bayless is somebody who should be placed behind Brandon Roy and Rudy Fernandez — with the the Spaniard being able to play all three backcourt positions offensively — on the depth chart at the 2; on the other hand, though, Blake is taking starting minutes away from Martell Webster and closing minutes from Fernandez.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 18, 2009 9:55 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Um, I don't think I can find many people calling Bayless' number in this thread.
So I want to quit seeing you start battles that aren’t there.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
Not only Brake chokes in the 4, he also took the mojo from Web by starting and putting Web on the bench.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
i want to quit seeing dead people
they creep me out, and nobody else can see them.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
dude,
LeBron James is not a PG. He’s a FORWARD, FORWARD! Carmelo is not a SG or a pg, he’s a small forward. It says so on their rosters. Blake is a pg, not a SF, and you constantly adopting the number classification based on their places on the floor is confusing. And saying Steve is taking minutes away from Martell rather than Rudy makes even less sense. Martell does not bring the ball up the floor, and Steve Blake cannot and will not ever guard LeBron.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 18, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
the three guard lineup is not a mirage.
just ask anyone here.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
The 3 in Nate's offense stands in the corner and shoots 3 pointers
Sounds like Blake to me…
RUDY > MJ
On offense
what does Rudy do that is different from what Blake does? I’m not talking about what he is capable of doing, just what he is actually doing in this offense. If you call Blake a 3, then you might as well call Rudy a 3 in this offense as well, and in that case, what is happening is that blake, rudy and webster are all playing the same role
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 18, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
I do call Rudy a 3 on offense when he plays with Roy + pg
and the difference is that Rudy hits a higher percentage of 3’s than Blake does, and plays better defense as well. When Blake is out there with Miller and Roy, he is a 3 on offense in my opinion…
RUDY > MJ
so when you have 2 pgs in the game
which one is playing point? there is only one ball, so its not like each can bring up the ball and initiate the offense.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 18, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
depending on who he is in the game with
rudy is different from steve in that he moves off of the ball when he is playing the 2 guard…steve never plays the 2 position. steve is either the player that initiates the offense or is the spot up corner 3 specialist (the 3 in our offense).
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 18, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
Oh yea,
I forgot about how Rudy uses off ball screens to try get free, you’re right, Blake never does that. I thought Martell was good at doing that too, but we haven’t really seen the Blazers try to run any plays for him.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 18, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Right, we're talking about offense here.
Nate McMillan has started many guys at the 3 spot as a weakside cornerman during his coaching career, with Rashard Lewis being the most prolific of the bunch. Other guys who’ve filled that niche as starters include guys like Viktor Khryapa (2005-2006), Ime Udoka (2006-2007), Martell Webster (2007-2008), Nicolas Batum (2008-2009), and currently Steve Blake (2009-2010).
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
AK, right except for (hopefully) one thing...
As the visionar2, I have to call on this one…
currently Steve Blake (2009-2010).
That’s “currently Steve Blake (2009)”… I hope…
That's what's so confusing.
Is the number scheme analogous to the traditional PG/SG/SF/PF/C classification, or is the numbering purely a schematic tool? Where I think I lost you was when you said Blake takes away from Martell. The reason I disagree with that is because you seemed to be basing that conclusion on just what is happening on offense, when in fact Martell and Blake have completely different roles on defense. That’s why I find it irritating when you juxtapose substitution patterns with the offensive schemes, because it ignores the defensive side of the issue.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 18, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
You don’t think Bayless would work at the 1. Colour me surprised.
Its not rambling either – Bayless has a skill (driving to the hoop) that is more valuable than Blake
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
At best, Jerryd Bayless could be a 1 like Jarrett Jack was during the 2006-2007 season. Bayless, ...
however, has yet to prove he can shoot 35% from beyond the arc at a consistent rate and also take care of primary ball-handling duties with an assist-to-turnover ratio that’s well over 2:1 out there. Thus, at this point in time, Bayless is still an unrefined backup 2 that can come in for short minutes and run iso sets.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I thought Nate should have started Bayless in the 4th tonight.
He KNEW the Pistons were going to be coming out strong, just like they did against LA last night…
I would’ve started Bayless, sat Roy, and said, Jerryd, go…
My post cut off without about 3 sentences of justification...weird.
Ah well I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. I don’t see Bayless as a traditional point (that much is obvious to anyone) but he isn’t a 2 guard either. He is really just a guard who can play the 1 next to the right type of player, luckily I think Brandon is one of those players. Bayless’ handle is on par with Blake’s from what I’ve seen and I think a 2:1 ratio is easily achievable for Bayless right now if he were entrusted with more minutes.
I won’t mention defense because that will likely enrage you further….needless to say I believe Bayless has most of the tools (wingspan excluded) as well as the intelligence and intensity to be a damn good defender while you think he is overaggressive and unlikely to be able to play within a team defensive context.
Am I right?
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
Yeah, you have a good grasp of my feelings regarding Jerryd Bayless.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
rudy should be a starter. he would be if he were on another team.
by portlandgiirl91 on Nov 18, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Charlie V dropped 20 points on 9-15 shooting
in SIXTEEN MINUTES.
I didn’t get to watch the game, can anybody explain this?
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
He was on tonight
He was hitting tough shots mostly.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
He's a ball hog
but yeah, if i were a pistons fan, i’d be pretty pissed about some of those fouls called on him.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
There wre a few good defensive plays by LaMarcus against him but he kept hitting tough shots.
On another night just like this he could have been 4-15
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
I noticed.
The benching didn’t have anything to do with Webster – it was all about the Miller/Roy/Blake drama. McMillan caused damage to other players by pandering to his point guards.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
I'm starting to wonder if Blake is more sensative than we're led to believe
Between him not just going to the bench when it came time to start Miller or him staying in when he plays bad, it seems like they’re treating him with kid gloves when he’s always talked about as not caring about minutes and being one of the best team guys in the league.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Nov 18, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
He always played better as a starter than bench guy
Just a different role expectations. As a starter, he’s expected to hustle and hit some shots. But, as a bench guy, he’s expected to look for his offense. It’s just not within his wheelhouse.
We still won, we're stil 9-4
In a few weeks we won’t remember tonight.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
true with a caveat
the caveat that these recent late game issues are aberrations rather than trends
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
Its the reverse of what we did last year
Where we went down big and came back.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
It takes 5 guys to lose a 20 point lead.
by TappedPotential on Nov 18, 2009 9:59 PM PST reply actions
or one coach putting the wrong 5 guys out there
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
One coach
Did not cause all those turnovers. That was simply sloppy.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
he had the wrong type of guys to deal with the pressure
that is called “getting outcoached”
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Who should he have put in?
Miller, Roy, and Blake are the Blazer’s best ball-handlers. They were all in the game near the end when the Pistons were effectively using their half-court trapping defense. The Blazers had a lineup that really ought to be good at beating a pressure defense, but they struggled anyway.
that's only 4 pts a piece
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 18, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
Well untill we start getting the ball inside this is going to happen, they should have pounded it in to Oden and let him abuse K.Brown but instead settled for jumpers everytime down the court.
I still don't understand why they still do that. Common sense. Nate wants greg to be a
1 dimensional player. oh well.
The fact is this team stinks at entry passing. Only Miller can do it.
Everybody else telegraphs their passes.
They stopped moving and cutting and looking for the lob.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
That was AMAZING...
I was there, and didn’t even see it go through the legs (basket in the way) until they showed the replay…
That’s it, I’m done with Blake. Rudy FTW!
He's dead to me now
Just quoting the guy who had a similar post. I, however, see Blake as a nice, expiring contract,
I'm hoping your the Memphis GM...
And think Blake’s $4M for Conley even up is OK….
At least then both our PG’s can pass to Greg…
you know, my good man, I have to disagree.
I think Rudy, while of the sweet passing skill set, telegraphs his entry passes like Brandon does. They both WILL be able to do it—-sooner rather than later—-but this team still looks a little wobbly out there in the interior passing department IMO.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
Hello. Per Dave's request, I am here to tolerate you
and have a real conversation.
Who wants to have a real conversation?
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:02 PM PST reply actions
I KNOW!
Such a nice bust line. I bet he does at least 25 pushups a night.
He might have the best bust of any President since, I don’t know, Tafty.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
I'm so glad we had this conversation.
I am all but too happy to tolerate your D cup ‘moobie’ reference.
hehe.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
I want a real conversation
Ya gotta link and a password for that?
1-800-OMGZ-PDX
yeah—-she’ll be SO HAPPY to hear from you.
oh and…the breathing thing…yeah—-I think she might have a lung condition. she pants like a happy bulldog on a hot summer day…
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
I'm going to take this opportunity to admit I was wrong about Miller (kind of)
Miller still can’t shoot – but when he has the right guys on the floor and Brandon is playing off of him – the Blazers are at their best.
Plus, it seems as if Miller’s presence has made Roy better at both playing off the ball and at making an effort to get his teammates involved.
Most of all, I really like how Miller/Roy beginning to connect.
Miller
And his shot improve throughout the year. I’ve watched him play enough to know that.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
his ankles got rolled more tonight than a pie crust.
(drum fill)
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
That's a cool thing to admit
Blake is showing again and again that he can’t create and it hurts us when the clock is ticking down and it’s in his hands.
We needed a 2nd creator, at whatever position we could get it at. Hedo at SF, Dre at PG, wherever.
Oh now you're starting huh Mortimer
As Blazer fans we should be picking our guys off the floor when they are down not shoveling dirt on ‘em. You’re not truly guilty of this M but I’m getting a tad fed up with the Blake blaming.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
I ain't trying to shovel on him
And I’m just happy we won.
Blake’s shot will come around and be consistent again, but he just isn’t a shot creator or playmaker. And thats fine, it isn’t his game.
Just frustrating to watch in pressure situations when the defense really clamps down.
I know you loves me
We’re buds.
I feel like I’ll never rag on a player unfairly, but everyone has their biases… me as well.
It's not ragging if it's true.
Guess who’s literally the worst PG in the entire league at drawing fouls? He’s a pure jump shooter, which is fine, but still a limited game.
I love Blake. I’m just not delusional.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 18, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
I work at a group home.
Yes, some people do.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 18, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
I'm just kidding.
I mean, I do work at a group home, but that wasn’t some sort of politically correct jab at your sensitivity.
Just an observation that crazy people sometimes know they are crazy.
For instance… I love Baron Davis, and I know that’s wrong. I know he’s just going to hurt and disappoint me over and over again, but I can’t help it. Must be the way some people feel about Blake.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 18, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
C'mon don't call names Bowsie
Blake is, literally, the PG who draws the least amount of fouls. It ain’t cause we don’t like him going to the FT line…
yea but Blake's game isn't about drawing fouls
so he doesn’t. isn’t this just a reflection of his balance sheet
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
I know, but pointing it out that he is bad at that aspect of offense isn't delusional
And it’s something that you’d want out of any of your perimeter players.
He is a great open shooter and we should love him for that, but when you make him create or put pressure on the opposing defense, he flounders, which is part of the reason he’s had an up and down year thus far.
Yeah, when he gets fronted by a player he usually pulls the ball back out and re-sets. Not turning it over in that situation is good (and even that happened to him a few times), but if he could drive and finish at the rim or draw the foul it would be better. Or at least get under the rim and kick it back out to a trailer or an open wing like Steve Nash does time and again. Pulling it out always results in a re-set of the offense, and usually to more 1 on 1 play and a low-percentage shot.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
In no way did I intend to call NVE delusional.
it was a dumb joke and unfunny.
that aside, there’s been more and more reference lately of Blake’s defensive being understated. I think a bad game is being extrapolated into too much criticism.
Keep in mind Blake is a PG and by essentially playing the 2 he is being asked to defend out of position. Not really his fault.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
Valid point
Keep in mind Blake is a PG and by essentially playing the 2 he is being asked to defend out of position. Not really his fault.
The heart of my beef – Rudy playing 20 minutes to Steve’s 30 – lies with Nate. Unfortunately, given how stubborn Nate can be, this probably isn’t changing
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 18, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't think you were out of line..
I didn’t find the joke offensive at all.
I do think it is a little disturbing that Blake can’t draw fouls though. He’s sooooo bad at it. The next lowest starting PG in the NBA literally draws twice as many fouls as Blake per possession. That’s not just bad, it’s downright odd.
With the handcheck rules it seems like having a PG who can draw fouls is a huge benefit. Blake is wasting that benefit at a historic rate.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 18, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
maybe
I can agree (I think) Blake tends to avoid contact when he penetrates and all too often simply dribbles thru the key and looks to reset rather then attack the hoop and try to draw the foul.
I would like to see him get more aggressive in this part of his game.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
It could be...
that he’s just doing what he’s told.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 18, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
I've even tried to lighten up on Bayless
in case you hadn’t noticed
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
I argued that after the last game
but he better clean up on the AAU mistakes if he wants to play late…
RUDY > MJ
Or as Dave said, you are setting him up for failure if you expect him to be the guy to close out games. Like Taylor Swift fronting Metallica. Good artist, totally wrong stage.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Exactly
I prefer to put Blake in situations we can love him in (hitting open 3’s) and not ones he will always do poorly in (shot creating PG who makes good decisions on the break or in a pressure situation).
He has made a million dagger 3’s in his Blazer career. He has hardly ever made a good pass or broke down a defense at the end of a game. It’s not what he does, and we shouldn’t put him in a position to try to do that.
That’s why we’d always go Box and 1 and let Roy iso… he’s the only one who could create at the end of games. Now we got two dudes who can, but it’ll still take time to incorporate the new dude in.
rudy and roy off screens
if the defense tries to attack the mid range J – feed the back door post. Whichever Rudy/Roy isn’t coming off the screen is set up in a corner
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
and if the defense completely breaks down
Miller can exploit a seam
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Whoa - enlightenment!
The Blazers should run their offense to mirror their logo…
The cutters coming off the picks, creating the swirls… one going out for a 3, the other going for the alley oop!
hehe
box and 1 is a defense, and an annoying one to boot. We run a 1-4 iso for roy. Silly mortimer…
RUDY > MJ
Blake was terrible in the 4th tonight
and given his current role as starting SG at 30 mpg to Rudy’s 20, when he plays like that, he’s going to take heat – and justifiably so
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 18, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Not that its too bad he made that shot, but
It might have been time to make the adjustment back to 2 guards, Miller and Roy, bringing Martell back in to start, boosting his confidence and lowering his anxiety, and sticking with the dreaded Bayliss Rudy 2nd unit. Then he hit that dagger 3.
by Chief Play Good Play Hard on Nov 18, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
That shouldn't change anything...
He was still the worst player on the court for most of tonite… whenever Marty was sitting, anyway..
Don't be ashamed..
and come join us on the dark side.
Miller’s not a terrible shooter, but he’s a rather bad set shooter. He’s so good on a 15 foot turnaround, but some people are just better at shooting off the dribble. (I am one of those people)
So you admit
playing actual ‘basketball’ is the best way to win basketball games then?
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
I wanna see more Jerryd as much as the next guy but...
Miller is still running the team best.
Blake’s minutes are more about how frenetic Marty is out there.
I don’t get it though…
I just don’t get it…
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
Martell was actually playing well when the Blazers called plays for him
Rudy is playing better now that he isn’t looking over his back.
Rudy certainly didn’t look good against the trap, tonight – but that is definitely not his strength.
Bayless would be an excellent understudy – and an asset in a pressure game. He just punches back with hard drives to the rim.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
I think Martell plays great when he concentrates on guarding someone
and shooting 3’s.
he’s not a great team D player though and tends to commit fouls. I hope it’s a phase. I think he deserves consistent minutes too but…he’s kinda going Channing 08’ lately…
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
its about cause and effect
McMillan cut his nads off for no reason and created a 3-guard lineup
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
He has also been out of the game for a long, long time.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
Ok. So you seem to love Bayless and Marty?
I mean…I get it—-both are still young and athletic but…
I just don’t think either is as smart a ball player as Blake and Miller. Nate prefers smart players. Rudy counts as smart because of extra moxy points.
Martell has looked bad out there lately. Rushing it and, most importantly, bricking shots. He’s got to be a shooter off the bench, so I don’t buy the consistent minutes argument for him. He doesn’t look like a starter in this league to me any more than Travis does. He has a valuable skill that needs to be ready at all times. Brandon needs minutes to find his minutes, Webster needs to be ready to hit shots when he gets in there.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
This is a very good point.
Marty played the good solider in training camp (I hope Nic starts), and then when Nic goes down, Marty has to think fate is shining on him… definitely a blow to not start – especially when it’s Blake taking your place, really… ugh…
One more negative on Nate, IMO…
I have been pretty anti Miller as far as playing with Roy...
That said, I am coming around. Every time I watch Miller I like him more and more…
RUDY > MJ
He shoots are high percentage from 15 feet in.
Those still count as 2 points!
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
Everybody move to the center...
plenty of room for new members on the Andre Title Train…
Thank you.
Takes a big man to admit when he was kind of wrong.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 18, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
Ooph
That was harder than it needed to be, but I like learning lessons from games AND still winning them.
We won, it’s okay, I was annoyed by some dude’s play but what can ya do. Another so-so game from Oden limited by foul probs (that first call was ridiculous), but he still had 6/10/3 in 24 short minutes. Not bad.
That first call was insane
And much worse screens were set after that with no call. I’m not sure what prompted that early call. Detroit got rung up a few times too.
Does anyone know the exact terms of the ref's new contract?
Any truth to the rumor that they’re now being paid by the foul?
Especially to do it to Oden
Then the make up call on Charlie V, who also had foul probs (and 20 points in 16 mins— thank goodness he had foul probs, because I’ve seen a lot of these sort of games from Charles V… he has some games where everything he shoots, goes in).
the wilder the game, the more effective he is
bull in a china closet
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
I'm beginning to think....
that maybe we shouldn’t start Greg…
I mean, the opposing team is clearly running everything at him early, and the refs and watching him more than any other player…
Maybe we should let Joel start for 6 minutes, then bring Oden and Rudy in for Roy and Pryz, and start to run, while everybody is now back to just playing hoops
This is not in any way an anti-Greg post, I love the future Hall of Famer, but we need to do something to change his (early game) rep…
But that's just my point...
I think he HAS learned… He is doing FAR fewer of the stupid fouls that he got called for last year…
But the opposing teams are running their first 5 plays directly at him, either with quick guards going by Steve “Ole” Blake, or passes into the post…
And the refs, who of course, like players, like to start off with an easy one, call the first foul on Greg…
It’s just ridiculously unfair.. and I know it will stop, eventually… I’m just trying to find a way to speed up the process…
He'll be targetted whether it is the first 6 minutes or 6 minutes into the game
He just has to keep learning and we wait while the process continues to develop.
Until it stops working, teams will do that until they can see it won’t be a quick foul game from Oden.
I know what you're saying...
And it’s not so much the opponents calling plays to go at him, because you;re right,they still will, but I just think that once the refs get into the flow of the game, Greg will be less of a target… I’d like to see his fouls by minute played (by that I mean, how many fouls in minute 1, minute 2, etc… – Ben, I feel a chart coming on! )
horrible freaking finish
ugh, why is Blake gettin so much love? i hate it. he almost lost the game for us
Trade for Luis Amundson!!Do it KP!!
i know this is premature,
but 54 w’s seems like a stretch this year, if we’re gonna extrapolate based on our play so far.
We stole so many games earily last year
Then started blowing folks out.
I’m not that worried yet.
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no killer instinct
that’s a bit worrisome. we were one of the league leaders in 4th Q point differentials last year. Seems like a complete 180 so far this year.
That's beacsue we were always losing
When we get that killer instinct we’ll be a championship team.
Seriously though we always seemed to be down by 6 or more entering the 4th.
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Think of it this way
Have we played well yet? No, not at all.
We still have one of the best point differentials and a 9 and 4 record. Very good, both.
And we’ve got a lot left to show… and we’ll show it. Our pace is ahead of 54 wins.
I am not that worried about the win total
I want a playoff series win. Improvements will need to be made for that to happen, luckily, I suspect they will be made…
RUDY > MJ
Biggest thing that bugged me (aside from almost blowing it)
Is how often we miss Oden for the lob or easy dunk. It’s amazing.
Miller doesn't miss him. Guess who does?
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Indeed
Although when I played My Player last night (a Knicks PG), Steve was playing like he played tonight, forcing up bad shots in the 4th and throwing it away. The video game is truth.
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Then hit Pryz for it on the very next play
Unfortunately, Greg was already out of another snazzy call on the other end.
by Chief Play Good Play Hard on Nov 18, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
the big thing here is
Rudy is getting 21 minutes a game
Blake is getting 30 a game
Blake still manages to score less per game! and shoot far worse.
its unbelievble
by collectiveshane on Nov 18, 2009 10:08 PM PST reply actions
I don't know about you guys, but i heart winning
I will throw my mouthpiece across the court if I disagree with you.
I figured it out.
Blake has compromising pictures of Nate. It’s the only explanation.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
You saw Nate coppin his cheeks after he finally sunk that 3, right?
by Chief Play Good Play Hard on Nov 18, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
I realized I hadn't breathed
For about 30 seconds.
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Again, a win is a win
and you play the opponent in front of you that night. But I really don’t think this caliber of basketball will get it down against quality opponents. The good news, in a sense, is the Blazers can bring a C effort and beat the below average teams in the league, but I’ll admit I’m getting antsy waiting for this team to mesh.
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
They are meshing
We’re playing down to our competition to a certain extent.
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I had this same thought the other day...
They have an uncanny knack of playing down the competition this year… not good..
We had the uncanny knack of playing to the level of our competetion last year
we played up to it against good teams and down to it against bad teams. Im OK playing up but we really need to just step on the throats of those below us. Tonight we relaxed, missed a couple of shots and then tightened up immensely. And it wasn’t just Blake, he just made the most glaring mistakes with those turnovers.
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My mantra
We’re 9-4, all is well, we’re 9-4, all is well, ALL IS WELL!
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You mantra just ran over my taun taun.
wait…
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
One thing can be said of the Blazers lately.
You dont even have to try til the fourth quarter against them. Down 20 in the third. No problem. Down 40 in the third, no problem then. You will aways have a chance to win…
Quick on Talking Ball...
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i refuse to watch out of principle.
Beanie-hat guy’s commercials are inexcusable.
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He is claiming it's all Miller's fault for Roy going dribble dribble dribble into the face of a double-team...
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"He's calling the play..."
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Quick is just bolstering his Roy vs Miller bread and butter for the year. Quick is officially no longer relevant at all.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
Quick is Canzano with hair.
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by timbo on Nov 18, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Dwight: Claims the lazy defensive Roy is exhausting himself covering SFs...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
One of the fouls on Oden was totally on him. He gave up covering Gordon and just stopped at the next pick.
I love the guy, but you have to see that he isn’t always trying hard on defense.
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He totally coasts
Understandble when so much offensive load is on him, but he is better than that I believe— and totally physically capable of being a good defender.
So, it can be tough to see from one of the best players in the game today.
Recently very little offensive load has been on Roy. He has taken a fair few nights off on the offensive end and decided to be productive elsewhere. Defense isn't one of those areas.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
Quick: "How about this? How about Andre Miller START PLAYING!"
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Goofus host thinks Miller sank 4 FTs down the stretch...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Whoops, my bad. I thought it was Miller 2, then Blake 2.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Was it Miller 4, Blake 2 during the FT derby?
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Oh, I know, Miller 2, Blake 2, then Miller 2 in garbage time (last 10 seconds)
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with the afro 6'9
Dr. Joseph Dolan: Right. Now, how long have you had these pains, Mr. Barber?
Fletch: No, that’s “Babar”.
Dr. Joseph Dolan: Two B’s?
Fletch: One B. B-A-B-A-R.
Dr. Joseph Dolan: That’s two.
Fletch: Yeah, but not right next to each other. I thought that’s what you meant.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
The press here is so small town.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
No lie...
First time I saw a “sports segment” on the local news I just laughed for days… (We’re not in Boston anymore, Toto)…
We also pray to Juju
Who has been very good to us this year at ATQ.
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The thing I cant cut loose is having you best FT shooter
on the bench in a crunch time situation when you know they are going to foul??
by southern oregon on Nov 18, 2009 10:15 PM PST reply actions
The two best would be Rudy and Martell, both hitting over 85 or even over 90.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
in any event the rational thing to do is have Rudy inbound the ball[not]
and pass right back to him
by southern oregon on Nov 18, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
Rational is overrated.
Didn’t you hear? Our motto this year is “from the gut”. Not as catchy as “Come rise with us”, but it’ll do, I suppose.
Cut Blake
Pick up Iverson.
Come on… you know you want to.
Why wasn't Iverson picked up earlier.. or why hasn't he already been picked up?
Or are we talkin about Practice? You know, not the game, but practice.
Well, it might work since he could start here in a 3-guard lineup.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
we get it
you come here to make fun of blazers for overreacting and placing blame. Love ya dude, but I suggest actually watching the game before you ridicule an entire fanbase. Blake was atrocious late…
RUDY > MJ
by Rudiculous on Nov 18, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Come on
Atrocious? Yes he went from goat to hero tonight. I’ve only seen that happen about a million times already in my life. Wait did you snark yourself there?
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
I'm not totally disagreeing with you
but I can’t completely agree with you either. He was bad and he came through at the end. Are you arguing that?
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
nope
he save face with both the 3 and the freethrows. Although, late in the game, the negatives far outweighed the positives in Blake’s case, and I am a Blake fan.boy…
RUDY > MJ
Show of hands
who here is not upset about today’s win?
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
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Upset is not the right word
Annoyed that it was that close.
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that makes 2 or 3
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
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why would I be upset
totally wasted energy. I’m a Blazer fan happy we won. Looking to see improvement.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
I am very happy
And I really enjoy when we win, but still get a nice lesson to learn from.
We could easily get the same lesson and lose, so…
Better days are ahead, and in the meantime… we’re winning.
3 or 4
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
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to clarify
i’m not annoyed/upset about it either
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
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Also
I think Detroit is a better team than everyone else is giving them credit for.
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i can't type if my hand is in the air.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Nov 18, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
I'm thrilled...
that we’ve reached the point where we’re upset about a VICTORY!
Wins: it’s not how, it’s how many…
Seriously, this team has played about 50% of their potential, and are 9-3… I’ll take it!
fwiw
Manu has averaged about 28 mpg for his career. The highest mpg he received his whole career was 31.1 in 07-08
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
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and more specifically
did said lesser player log the majority of his minutes AT Manu’s position of sg?
RUDY > MJ
are Michael Finley, Roger Mason, Bruce Bowen all lesser players than Manu?
I say yes and it’s not even close
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
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Michael Finley has the second-most points of any Spurs player this decade.
Figured it was worth noting.
Honest question
do you think he’s better than Manu?
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I can't comment on his defense and rebounding etc.
But points-wise, it’s empirical evidence that he was better at scoring than Manu for a period of time. Certainly not now, of course.
just looking over the numbers, Manu scored way, way more points than Finley did. Are they counting Finley’s numbers for the decade? In that case, it’s unfair as he played three more seasons.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
fascinating
Manu has never averaged over 20 points per game in a season.
Finley did it twice in the 00s, 01-02 and 02-03.
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hmm I dunno
I think from a talent standpoint, Manu is clearly better. However, factors like longevity, injuries, etc. really make an impact in overall points scored.
That stat really does blow my mind though.
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one thing that isn't brought up here but should
is that Manu finishes games for San Antonio.
That’s another thing, though.
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I believe so
although that doesn’t explain why Manu finishes games and yet only averages less than 30 a game.
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Finley only averaged more minutes than Manu in one season out of his five as a spur
and on top of that, Finley is a two way player, able to play both small forward and shooting guard adequately. Which means you don’t have to sit one in favor of the other. The reason Manu gets less than 30 a game? I don’t know for sure, if Rudy was getting 26-30, I probably wouldn’t be complaining, so long as the inferior player Blake wasn’t getting significantly more. Not the case though, Rudy is barely breaks 20, Blake breaks 30. hmmmm
As far as Manu’s minutes, I will speculate that there are several reasons. 1) he plays international ball and it wears him out(which pop hates) 2) The spurs are dominate and have gotten more than their fair share of blowouts over the years, which leads to Manu sitting in the 4th. 3) Injuries, injuries, injuries. 4) they save him for the playoffs, he has over a 30mpg average in the playoffs, Finley is down around 24-25mpg come playoff time…
RUDY > MJ
1) Rudy did the same here (played in Eurobasket)
2) Portland, although they haven’t had too many this year, had a good amount of blowouts last year; especially towards the latter half of the year.
3) Yes, although Rudy’s play earlier this year could be attributed to a lingering back issue.
4) Probably not the case with Rudy.
Finally, lets not forget how poorly Rudy was playing to begin the year. He has clearly played better recently, but he wasn’t exactly making a case for himself in the first 10 games or so.
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fair enough
Can you argue that Blake has made a case for himself so far this season? To the tune of 3rd most in minutes played, specifically?
RUDY > MJ
looking at the game logs
Blake was the incumbent starter, so he’d obviously get the benefit of the doubt for at least the first 3 games. And actually, Rudy played more minutes than Blake in the first 3 games. (side note, I forgot about Rudy’s huge 2nd game against Denver).
Blake then had big games against Oklahoma City, San Antonio and Memphis. And then he has fallen off since after that Memphis game. Tonights game was the first time he shot over .500 since then. Blake’s minutes have pretty much stuck around the 30 minute mark.
Rudy, OTOH, was really bad aside from that Denver game until about the @Minnesota game. His minutes have seen an increase from 26 to 32 from then.
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Despite Rudy's terrible games...
Who looks more qualified to play offguard, or the 3 when looking at shooting percentages?
RUDY > MJ
Rudy now, considering how much he has picked it up since then
through the first 10 games it was Blake
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Stat of the night...
Oden: Minus-15
Przybilla: Plus-19
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For someone who thinks PER is bogus, I"m surprised you give anything on +/- stats for 1 game.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
You know, tonight Eddy Curry led all Knicks, at least for a long time of the game.
Clearly he must be their best player.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
In a game like this, when the team was REALLY GOOD followed by REALLY BAD, the +/- is very indicative, actually...
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Here were the guys on the floor when the Blazers ruled tonight:
Pryz +19
LMA +12
Roy +11
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Here was the guy on the floor when the Blazers sucked tonight:
Oden -15
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obviously you watched the game
and despite your 2.5 hours of negativity, I don’t recall Oden being a part of it until now. Ergo, who cares about +/-
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2.5 hours of negativity? Not. Try the 4th Q.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
You're right. You actually started in on Oden right away.
Oden with his first foul at the 11 second mark. NEW RECORD!
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by timbo on Nov 18, 2009 7:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And then
Oden swings down on BEN WALLACE?!?!?!?!?!?
FAIL.
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by timbo on Nov 18, 2009 7:20 PM PST reply actions 0 rec
By the 2nd quarter we were into one-word Debbie Downerisms
Pathetic.
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by timbo on Nov 18, 2009 7:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much the 2 positive things I could find from the 1st half were regarding a charge from LMA and the Jack in the Box schnauzer song.
But hey, you write good historical fanposts, so whatever. Your fandom requires seeing the bad in things, I get it.
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First comment not necessarily directed at Oden; second was perfectly on point.
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you said in the last game thread that he really isn’t a good rebounder at one point. I felt that was unfair.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
it’s your right to think your thoughts. I just thought it was a curious statement.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
Negativity is totally fine
As long as there is facts along with it.
The 4th was brutal, but the problem was not any of our bigs.
your point being?
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Oden is overrated by the average Blazer Cult member...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Let's get statistical:
ANDREW BYNUM
Minutes Per Game: 39.3
Personal Fouls Per Game: 2.7
Points Per Game: 20.3
Rebounds Per Game: 11.8
Assists Per Game (for Norskie): 1.6
Blocks Per Game: 1.8
GREG ODEN
Minutes Per Game: 24.3
Personal Fouls Per Game: 4.2
Points Per Game: 9.8
Rebounds Per Game: 8.4
Assists Per Game (for Norskie): 0.7
Blocks Per Game: 2.3
The Bottom Line:
Bynum is MUCH more effective as an offensive player, Oden plays better defense but doing so causes a huge foul rate and limits his minutes…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
For this team
I take the defense.
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It's Greg's second season. I know Bynum is his age, but in year 5 you would hope a player has advanced or he isn't worth much.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
And Bynum has missed big parts of 2 seasons with injuries...
At some point, we all have to look it in the face. Oden is going to be exactly who he said he was going to be: a 12-14 point per game guy.
And what I said he was: a 25 minute a night guy, which is fine.
And what lots of people said about him: a defensively-oriented guy…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
He will be a 25 minutes guy this year, and can easily get up to 30 next year
Bynum is bricking layups left and right, he hasn’t really impressed me more than Greg this year. Let’s see how much time he gets once Pau is back. And of course he benefits from Kobe and the rest spacing the floor.
Nate currently baby-sits him whenever he collects 2 fouls to force him to limit himself on defense. That worked very well against the bumbling Wolves, not so much against better teams. But he’ll learn it the hard way.
Another guy who has massive foul trouble this year: Dwight Howard. At some time Nate needs to get a few Ts or Miller has to send another email. Refs have forgotten how a bruising big man looks like.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Nov 18, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec. for Nate getting some Ts.
Gotta stand up for your big men Blazers.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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Oden is shooting 61.0% and Bynum 59.1%...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
and you are lauding Bynum as a MUCH BETTER offensive player. Sure, different roles, but Oden shoots out of the post quite a bit.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
Neither one shoots outside of about 12 feet.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Bynum is certainly a better offensive player
I dunno anyone arguing otherwise. He also stays out of foul trouble, enabling him to score 20 a game and play 39 minutes.
Oden would be very close to 20 if he played 39 minutes as well, I daresay, and his rebounding and defense is much better. And he plays on a team with a collection of key players who do not pass him the ball in the best position— on the move and ready to finish for a dunk. Oden’s points are much tougher to come by than they need to be, it’s ridiculous.
I like feeding him in the post, it has proven to be an efficient form of offense for us, but I don’t think we need to do it more. What we NEED, NEED, NEED to do is be aware of him cutting, or when he is open. That turns ~10ppg into 15 right there, and likely more. And causes fouls on the opposing team that they can’t stop.
One on one, you can decide not to foul a guy. When someone is on the move and charging towards you, you can’t always control it. And Oden is flashing, he’s doing his job. The guards aren’t doing theirs.
Bynum greatly benefits historically playing next to Pau (one of the best interior passers around), and Kobe (whether we like it or not)… who learned how to play with a big who needs passes early on in his career.
If you're arguing he'll always be a 25 minute player (he = Oden)
I think that is overreactionary. He’s around 25 minutes right now, and he will improve on his fouls.
They are bad, but fixable.
Learning about how not to foul
is something that you learn as you go, just like any other acquired NBA skill.
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Hmmmm.
Bynum has missed big parts of 2 seasons with injuries…
So has Greg.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
Greg played in more games last year than Bynum has in any year that he plays real minutes.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
raw stats? Seriously? Let’s look at +/-, adjusted +/-, wages of wins, per 36, rebound rate, block rate, TS%, anything other than raw stats.
I omitted PER just for you.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Raw stats, because per minutes mean nothing when a guy is on the bench in foul trouble. Raw stats.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
raw stats don’t adjust for pace. Bynum’s 3.3 block rate, ~15% rebound rate, horrible adjusted +/-… these are all bad indicators. A pretty hook shot does not a center make.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
he’s had an uptick in the last week and is up to around 16%. LMA has been fluctuating between 14 and 15.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
Lotsa minutes and a faster pace
Hide poor rebounding very well.
LMA would be a 20/10 guy if we played super fast, but it wouldn’t mean he’s a better rebounder than he is.
Bynum hasn’t normally been a poor rebounder, but 16% out of your starting center isn’t very good. Not out of a now-STAR center, anyways.
he had a 15.6% rr last year.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
to be fair, he was at 19% in the season for the 35 games in 2007-2008. That was the anomaly, though.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
He was the best center to ever live for those 35 games though.
Not at all rebounding for a contract.
If it is that much higher than normal, that is.
His best rebounding year is lower than Oden, then?
he ranges from 15-16 with the one anomaly near 19. Oden is a >20 guy.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
Since his career TRB% is 16.4%, this is the norm.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Well butter my lollipop and call me Sally
I thought he was better than that, to quote the wise sage Marc Jackson.
his block rate of 3.3% is really funny. Try blocking a few shots, Drew.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
offered along with Chuck Hayes’ free throw class.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
the Allen Iverson position defense training video.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
the art of a beautiful jump shot, by Kevin Martin. (foreword by Shawn Marion)
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
humility, a life lesson from William Simmons.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
staying positive in trying times, Matt from Blogabull.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
how to rebound like Andrea Bargnani.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
the art of creating a jump shot, by JJ Redick.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
dribbling, by Martell Webster.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
a discussion on winning big, by Patrick Ewing.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
How I owned Hakeem, by David Robinson.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
Hah! No I know what the JR stands for!
Joint
Roller…
"My Guide to Sportsmanship" by Sheed.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
beating the odds: how Michael Jordan helped me kick my gambling addiction, Charles Barkley.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
the art of selecting tattoos, co-authored by Joel Przybilla and Damon Stoudamire.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
An excerpt from the book
Now remember, tattoos last forever and will always be on your body, so ask yourself— “what would even an inordinately immature 13 year old think is lame?”, and go with it.
losing awkward and looking confident, by Hasheem Thabeet
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
how to build confidence: coaching strategies proven to succeed, by Don Nelson.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
I coulda sworn that was authored by Ben Wallace.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
The Art of Self Control
by Ron Artest.
Forward by Nate Robinson
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
LOL I almost spit milk on my screen.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
Forward by Manu Ginobili
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
At least he don't hide it
If he converts to Judaism suddenly so he can cover it with a Yamulke, then he can write the forward.
Deron is ugly. His new tats are even worse.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
endorsed on the back by Tyson Chandler and Darko Milicic.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
Hedo does the forward on Andrea's video.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
the role of long-term planning in management – Isiah Thomas.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
"The Fans & You" by Ron Artest ...
w/ Jermaine O’Neal & S-Jax Commentary.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
ok, this needs to be a junk drawer topic.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i can rec that
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
you make it
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
I don’t make JDs, not my thing.
I only fanpost occasionally and when it is something really good.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
"No, I'm not That Guy!" by ...
Jay Williams and Eddie Johnson.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 19, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"The Art of the Trade" by Bob Whitsitt.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
How to trust – LaMarcus Aldridge.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
Clutch: A Discussion – Steve Blake.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
Dietary Habits - Lamar Odom
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
"Parenting Tips," "Drugs are Good, M'kay,"
& “How to Gain Weight in 30 Days” by Shawn Kemp.
Buy two and get one free!
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
How to be objective and unbias
By Mike Barrett and Mike Rice
RUDY > MJ
by Rudiculous on Nov 19, 2009 12:31 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Personal finance
taught by Latrell Sprewell
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
How to Fight by Carmelo Anthony
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Staying Humble, Sebastian Telfair.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
"How to Bake a Cake" by Master Chef K.P.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Relating to the world around you – Larry Miller.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
How to make your superiors respect your opinion
Chris Paul
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
I thought he taught...
How to respect your elders?
Latrell Sprewell's follow-up will be ...
“How Coaches Change Your Life.”
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I Bark Like Dog and So Can You! - By Kevin Garnett
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
foreword by Kobe Bryant and Brett Favre
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
I Played Ball Like a Champ & You Can't" ...
by Michael Jordan.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Teamwork: Perservering Through the Tough Times – Shaquille O’Neal.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure he stole that book idea from T-Mac.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
Raja Bell deserves to be mentioned now
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Foreward by the "father" Vlade Divac
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
I would make a Junk Drawer
but I’m not sure what to put for the 75 words
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
What Occurs When You Stop Breathing" ...
A collection of posthumous short stories by Reggie Lewis, Jason Collier, Hank Gathers, and Len Bias.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
that's a big harsh
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
Be the Best Human Being You Can Be!
A seminar delivered by AK1984
(i kid because i love)
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
I should cut myself off at this point.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Just kidding, keep the titles coming, I like 'em
Just stay away from Duckworth jokes for now I guess.
Kevin Pritchard might have avoided Kevin ...
Duckworth jokes, but he didn’t apply that rule to everything.
Ah, culture.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
How to look good while being average at best – Jeff Green.
(My favorite chapter is “being a young player who does nothing well but is lauded as having a great future”)
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by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:14 AM PST up reply actions
yo Cabby
what’s the name of the username who got the lowest amount of comments in a single JD?
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
"Handling What You Can't See Coming" ...
by Gordon Gund.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Secrets to Looking Young
By Greg Oden and Dikembe Mutumbo
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
"How to Embody an Unsavory Stereotype"
by Howard Schultz.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
new JD is up
check it out
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Sacrificing for the Team – Stephen Jackson.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
Allen Iverson sues Jackson
for copyright infringement
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
Now remember, don't waste any energy making your feet leave the ground
And the perfect shot should never get any more than 3 inches above the rim.
"Why the Theme From M*A*S*H Changed ...
my Life" by Ricky Berry.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
"A Train, no Planes, and one Automobile" ...
by Eddie Griffin.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
An Argument Against Flopping
By Manu Ginobili and Luis Scola
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
Endorsed on the back by Vlade Divac!
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by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
A Discourse on Contract Years – Erick Dampier.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:24 AM PST up reply actions
"How to Make Money in Retirement" by ...
Keith Van Horn.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Ghost written by Jerome James
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
Have you watched the Lakers play recently?
They are MUCH better at creating easy shots for Bynum than the Blazers are at creating easy shots for Oden.
because of one game?
are you just throwing his +/- for the season out the window?
hell, by that logic, Wade is overrated too because he had a -14 tonight where his replacement, Daequan Cook was a +3.
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
I think in some cases
You are suffering from confirmation bias.
Pointing out one games plus minus is an example of this. It’s a meaningless stat for 1 game, extra meaningless since Oden was rebounding and playing defense and NOT the reason why the Pistons got back into it, yet you’re using it as evidence of some sort of poor play.
I KNOW you know better, you are Timbo. You just seem extra off about Oden, for whatever reason.
That’s just my opinion, it ain’t like Oden has been perfect. His foul problems have sometimes been inexcusable… but only because he is SO GOOD when he is on the floor. And every single stat backs this up.
Are you accusing me of STIRRING UP TROUBLE FOR NO GOOD REASON?!?!?!?
I am, like Reggie Miller, simply SHOCKED.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Hahaha, I love you Timbo
You are one of my favorite, most smartest posters around… so its crazy to me when I see something totally different in Oden from you.
I think you’re being waaaaay too harsh on a very promising early season from Odie Boy.
AND more importantly, if you’re gonna be negative, pick the right things to be negative about! His FOULS are all we can be angry at, and I don’t blame the refs as much as I blame Oden. Oden needs to do whatever he can to stay on the floor, and when he does a silly unnecessary foul, it makes it ten times worse than the refs make a mistake.
That first foul he got was ridiculous, it shouldn’t have been called… but if it had happened to Roy we’d have already forgotten it. Because we trust him to stay in the game. Until Oden can do that he will always be limited.
I think he will improve on it.
how about Bynum's -22 in the Denver game the other day?
talk about overrated…
your logic is full of holes here
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Mbenga only had a -4
WHY ISN’T HE STARTING INSTEAD?!?!??!!?
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
On the season. D.J. Mbenga does have some sweet defensive +/- numbers.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I was obviously being sarcastic/snarky
but it is kinda funny if he has good numbers. I just thought he was a ‘project’ in the same style as that big Chinese dude the Lakers had last year. Plus he looks funny.
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
haha exactly
hence the “plus he looks funny”
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Bynum’s negative on/off stuff is interesting, though in small sample size.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
if you get to count his single game +/- to say that he was terrible tonight do we get to use his season-long +/- to say that he is the best player on the team?
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
Eddy Curry was +9 tonight.
He finished with 10 points, 3 turnovers, and 4 fouls.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 18, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Of course we do!
We see him every night. We see his potential… We KNOW he’s going to keep improving, and become the third leg of our championship… stool… (wait, that didn’t come out right… wait, neither did that… anyway…)
Non- Blazer fans see him as he is (forming his national rating). We see him as he will be (hence the overrating)…
Ode was out there with the bench who gave back the lead
If ya think that was Oden letting the Pistons back in… c’mon.
There's a reason his plus minus for the season is so high
Our perimeter dudes and everyone easing up caused Oden to have a -15… another reason a single game plus minus stat is useless. Too many variables.
Yeah all of Blakes to's were Greg's fault
by southern oregon on Nov 18, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
He's better than Bynum. By year's end it will be a FACT.
and I am happy to be tolerant of your freedom to foolishly believe otherwise.;)
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Mr brickhands actually had some catches and finishes in the paint!
I’m glad to see Pryz gettin’ back to his normal self. He hasn’t looked so great receiving passes in traffic so far this season. Tonight he was more than adequate.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe Roy should start passing the ball to Greg when he is rolling to the hoop, like he does for Pryz and his bad hands.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
I KNOW
Where I watched the game, as soon as Oden went out, Roy passes Joel the ball after missing Oden for at least 2 lobs.
ARRGH.
Yeah I noted that in the game thread
I’d really like those plays to get broken down. Is this a problem with Oden, Roy, or the Detroit D?
In the game thread, it was blamed on Roy.
I "blame" it on
Roy and Friends just not being used to playing with a big who needs passes, is all.
And Oden does Roy and Friends NO favors by always being in foul trouble, so no chemistry can be worked out better-er.
I just quoted it to ease the stress on it
I do, I guess, blame Roy and Friends, but it seems almost accusatory when used sometimes… when that isn’t the intention.
It IS the fault of those who dribble the ball, which is everyone on the perimeter.
+/- is awful on a game by game basis and in massive point swings it is much better to look at line-up +/- which is far more indicative of what worked and what didn't.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
my point is if you are in the game when sombody not named you turns it over
Repeatedly it makes your+/- look bad and you had nothing to do with it
by southern oregon on Nov 18, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
It's nice to find the stat that prvoes that it can be completely useless sometimes.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
People are infatuated with Oden's flashes of great defense or big dunks. They conveniently ignore the turnovers, fouls (which are effectively the same), and screwed up offense caused by trying to run through him.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
this is his second season...post surgery at that.
he’ll be fine.
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
Turnovers?
You’re gonna argue turnovers, which have been good since the first game, and when Joel is AWFUL at turnovers?
Plus Joel is fouling more as well.
Oden has played very well and has limited himself with bad fouls. But what he’s doing well is everything, besides fouls.
Methinks you're too tough on Oden
I ain’t been in the gameday threads much, but that’s my general feeling.
Hmm
Like I said above, Oden ain’t perfect, his foul problems frustrate the hell outta me.
But it’s also because he’s been a lot better than Joel this year, unlike last year. Oden has improved a lot in everything except foul problems… and if he was out there for as long as he should be, we’d be much better off.
Take away his 7 turnover first game of the season and his turnovers are totally normal. Shaq and Howard get stripped all the time if you key in on them when watching a game… we are guilty of elevating normal things Oden does well to greatness and of over worrying about normal bad things Oden does as well.
But the important thing is, he has been a great anchor of a defense like we hoped, he is rebounding as good or better than anyone, and blocking more shots than anyone. He has to be double teamed whenever he touches the ball and he rarely turns it over when double teamed. He has been a two way force who is largely ignored on offense.
Every single stat and eyeball test confirms this thus far.
He is 21 and very good as of now, except for his sometimes very silly foul troubles.
by Mortimer on Nov 18, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Timbo's just scared because he KNOWS we're going to beat his Fakers...
He’s trying to keep the refs calling ridicolous fouls, because if the big man is ever allowed to play… bye bye LA…
Greg has a better A/TO than Joel
And gets 0.8 more turnovers than him. That’s not great, but it’s hardly costing us games.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Assists? You are seriously counting Center ASSISTS?!?!?
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
So Norskie, who's the PG leading in blocked shots?
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Bigs pass out of double teams, this leads to assists.
Pg’s are never, ever required to block shots. Not the same for a big that gets doubled, they better make the right pass, or else you are Zach Randolph…
RUDY > MJ
And Point Guards block shots, which leads to fewer balls going through the hoop.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Name a point guard who is relied upon to be a shot blocker...
Now name a Center that is relied on to be a passer…
Use history if necessary…
RUDY > MJ
He has more than Martell :)
In time he will be pretty good at catching the ball and passing it back outside to open shooters, or to LaMarcus (that pass to the other big happens way too seldom, unlike, say, on the Celtics or Spurs).
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
he finds the open cutter every time
Oden’s passing is actually rather excellent. Maybe the high post instead of the high pick and roll?
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 18, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Oden has won us a game or two this year.
And other than that denver game, i dont think he has lost us any.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
Isn't Joel consistently one of the WORST turnover prone centers in the game?
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 18, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Turnover percentage is a better way to assess turnovers in a big
Joel has a very bad turnover percentage, far trumping Oden, who we pass to.
Oden has already showed he is a far more adept passer than Pryzbilla, he makes young big man mistakes at times like lowering the ball and not watching for ball hawk guards.
Pryzbilla has shovels for hands and no offensive game outside of rebounding.
Oden gets double teamed, a lot, him being an improving passer is another weapon.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
Oden rarely turns it over on the pass
And is WAY beyond his years in passing out of double teams.
He’s better, as is, than Howard or Bynum or any other big center.
I don’t want us running our offense through him every play now, but I do want us LOOKING for him when he cuts (which he does do) or when he is wide #$%&@ open.
I'll be sure to tune into your post-game analysis tomorrow morning
on the MSP
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
Sooo
What are you getting at?
Oden needs to learn and he needs to play. We’re going to see alot more turnover and alot more fouls.
But over time the defense and the big dunks will become more common and we’ll see the fouls and turnovers less and less.
We get excited about improvement, which I’m seeing from him in strides. We’ve got to run through him at some point because we’re going to have to in the long run. This isn’t going to happen overnight. GIVE HIM TIME
2012
by OVERTIME on Nov 18, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Timbo, I essentially agree with this and still like Oden.
He needs PT and he’s doing better than last year. He’s got the right attitude, he works hard, he’s got charisma. And his ceiling is still really high.
So yes, I do give him latitude to make his 8 boneheaded plays per night, be they fouls, getting his shot blocked, getting stripped, walking, dropping passes, etc.
So you’re technically right, but your negativity seems overly. Also, if you’re going to stress tonight’s +/-, you can’t underestimate it for all those other nights when he’s had a really high +/-.
What about giving Detroit's strategy some credit?
I mean, they had a chance at the end. You could see their plan to get the Blazers overconfident working and they almost pulled it off!
Also, Ben Wallace never should have cut his ’fro aaaand—-his goatie sucks.
DISCUSS.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:29 PM PST reply actions
Two nights in a row. That's the impressive thing about Detroit.
And no Ben Gordon. That’s another common theme.
Detroit are FINISHERS.
They just don’t have the firepower to stay close for a full game.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
They have the youth and vitality to press a team that is playing tentatively
but they got schooled the rest of the game. that doesn’t bode well for them this season. of course, they are in the East…
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
dont forget
the pistons were without arguably its two best players, prince and hamilton
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
I agree that Ben Wallace should never cut his 'fro
I was against it when Dre did it as well. In fact, I am, in general, pro-’fro in all things.
Dre needed to fully commit to a big 'fro though.
his mini ’fro looked rather Sideshow Bob to me.
either way…I’d like to see Miller out there more.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Afros are great..
If you don’t like them then you are probably a racists of some kind.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 18, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
I can grow an excellent mushroom.
I don’t know how many people are jealous of that though…
can you grow a ’fro?
(on your head—-hehe)
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
I can't.
In other news, Brandon Jennings used to have much better hair.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 18, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Rudy needs more complements for his hair.
It’s messy in a good way. That’s rare for hoops players!
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
oh ell oh!
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
Haha Quick
Sticking by his 6-8 weeks speculation despite the blazers release that Outlaw will be out at least 3 months. He looked surprised when they corrected him…
RUDY > MJ
6-8 weeks is ideal, if the fracture is in the right spots and you get no setbacks
The Suns might achieve that with Robin Lopez. And even Lopez who broke it in pre-season isn’t back yet, just running on it. And after what we had with Martell, I would assume they are extra cautious.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
It was just funny cause the host says outlaw is out 3-5 months
Quick interjects that in his “expert opinion” its 6-8 weeks, in which every other guy on the show calls him out and quotes the blazers press release that Outlaw is out 3-5 months. You think a guy that makes his living covering the team would have gotten that info…
RUDY > MJ
Beautiful... Reminds me of my favorite quote.... Cheap, Quick, Good, pick two...
In this case, I’ll pick Cheap and Good over Quick anyday…
We have a good record. We have been playing badly. Those two facts combined make me happy.
A few things need to happen, a few less injuries maybe, but everything is…functioning to some extent.
Roy needs to diversify his, 20 second dribble, make bad decision or good shot, last 2 minute offense.
Blake needs to see his minutes dwindle rapidly.
Martell needs to be given more minutes to see what he has, a year long lay-off followed by inconsistent minutes and play is not enough to get him into game shape.
Rudy needs in on the 3 guard line-up more often. And not with Blake on the floor.
The Blazers need to go to the bigs more often in the second half.
Still, 9-4 and bad. That’s a good sign.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
blazers need to go to the bigs more often in the second half.
+10000. Oden should get at least 15 targets a night. Instead of playing hot potato on the perimeter with the clock running down, why not pass it in with 10 seconds to go and see what happens? Let’s make it SSOG (seven seconds or greg).
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 18, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
Going down low..
Should be done every time we run a set play… There’s just no excuse for not taking advantage of two superior low post talents like LMA and Greg..
How do you think Dave will rate our collective tolerance and conversational performance?
I think we’re doing ok so far!
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:42 PM PST reply actions
Dave's pretty cool about emotional reactions to games
It’s part of being a fan, and he seems to understand that. There are a few over the top opinions in the comments, but mostly just venting of frustration.
Antonio is giving Travis some love again on 95.5.
Antonio loves Travis.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 10:45 PM PST reply actions
apparently pendergraph n daye are pretty good friends.
by portlandgiirl91 on Nov 18, 2009 10:49 PM PST reply actions
wouldn't' be surprised if they played against each other in college
or in high school or AAU
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Does anyone else remember Steve playing this poorly in the 4th quarter last year?
I honestly can’t remember a stretch where he played this bad last year. Yes I know he hit that clutch 3, but that was after he let the offense put their tail between their legs in the face of the Deroit pressure D.
Is he just used to giving the ball to Travis or Brandon? Why is he sucking so bad at clutch time lately?
Only singular events, like bricking free throws and his premature pull-up jumper vs. Houston in the playoffs. On the other hand, he hit a big game winner vs. the Raptors after a Rudy rebound over Calderon.
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/4/25/852934/steve-blake-clutch-or-unclutch
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Don't forget Steve's other botch in the Houston series
Forgetting to watch his back and getting the ball knocked out of his hands.
When you ask him to make open jumpers in clutch moments
I’ve lost track of all the daggers he has hit. He has normally been great at that.
But it’s the other moments… when the defense has two guys on Roy and he doesn’t even have the ball yet, when he’s forced to DRIBBLE (who wants to worry when their POINT GUARD has to dribble?!?!), or make a quick decision that isn’t just “shoot”… that’s when he struggles.
It’s just how it is, and I don’t wanna focus on that with Blake. I wanna focus on him makin’ shots like he normally always does.
I have a problem with him as a PG in the playoffs.
Blake has a super duper limited game. That’s a problem when teams get to sit around and dissect everything a week before they play you.
It’s like Aldridge with his running hook. Houston knew about it and he looked confused that they knew about it. Fortunately he had other moves.
Blake doesn’t have a fall back, so when everyone knows to take away his open shots it basically kills his one great asset. To me I think having a versatile game is more important in a seven game series, because then your opponent can’t take everything away from you.
Thank goodness for Roy.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 18, 2009 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
Its why, to me
Blake’s stats looked good from the playoffs (they looked normal), but his play when you watch the series was very flustered, prone to horrible back breaking mistakes… and it’s because they made him do more of what he isn’t good at. Creating, and making decisions.
He is very careful with the ball, but often too careful. It’s just his game and we shouldn’t be hurting ourselves as fans to point it out. He is severely limited offensively.
I don’t have many complaints about his defense this year— the 3 guard lineup has worked much better defensively than I expected, even though we’ve seen lapses in individual moments. It has also shown that our now super strong interior defense, our core, can handle weak perimeter defense better than in the past. That is great news.
His offense has been bad and that is because if he isn’t being the super careful PG who is happy to dribble the ball up court, swing the ball around to the open shooter or the pick and pop with LMA, he isn’t a good offensive player.
You remove most any reason for him to dribble the ball up court and hand it off to Roy, he isn’t doing much. Of course, his weaknesses were highlighted by his shooting slump— a slump that I didn’t think would last. But if he ain’t hitting shots, there ain’t much he does on offense. And in a PG, it is strange.
It works though, next to Roy. But next to Roy AND Miller, it works less. And puts him in positions he either isn’t good at, or makes him superfluous.
Blake hurt us very much in the playoffs for most of the same reasons I’ve critiqued tonight. It’s just his game.
Hence the reason...
Blake must go.
He is our most valuable tradable asset.
It’s time the Blazers stopped being nice to their players, and started winning championships.
I don’t care HOW much everybody likes Blake, he is the 30 (or 40) somethingest ranked PG i the NBA….
If we don’t trade his 4 million dollars of expiring contract, it wil be a greater travesty than not dealing RLEC last year (which was only saved because we got Dre after all – could’[ve used RLEC for it, but OK, we still got a new star).
For the same reasons, I think it’s time Travis was traded back home – to Memphis…
Hm… Travis for Conley, and Blake for a banger 4. Make it so, KP!
Maybe.
Although I think people are too optimistic about his trade value. Other teams are watching Blake too you know, it’s not like we’re going to trick some GM into taking him for more than he’s worth.
There are a million great young PG’s in the league right now. Rubio and John Wall are still coming. A rebuilding team is way more likely to go after one of those. Most championship teams are already stacked at PG and Blake is extremely limited on any team with a running second unit. Is there even a market for Steve Blake?
Sure his contract is expiring, but that’s overblown. There were serviceable expiring contract last season that never got traded. I think the rumors of teams giving players away is exaggerated. It took Courtney Lee to get Vince Carter and the Nets are as interested in dumping salary as anyone.
It’s entirely possible that the Blazers CAN’T trade Blake because no one wants to give them anything good.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 18, 2009 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
it is freaking frustrating to see how many good point guards there are in the league right now. Lawson and Maynor are tearing it up. They weren’t even lottery picks.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
It's ridiculous.
There are at least 25 potential franchise point guards hanging around, (Plus Wall and Rubio)
Riddle me this. If someone breaks Carmelo Anthony’s high school scoring record and then spends a year overseas working on everything EXCEPT scoring, wouldn’t it make sense that he would be a better player than he was when he broke Carmelo Anthony’s scoring record?
Why was anyone concerned about Brandon Jennings weak scoring numbers in Europe?
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 19, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
He's a thug.
You know who’s a great point guard? Luke Ridnour. I can’t put my finger on it, but there’s something about him I can relate to. He should totally be starting for the Bucks. He’s a real class act. Hard worker too, unlike Jennigs who probably got into the NBA by sitting around and smoking drugs.
He doesn’t have gang tattoos and weird hair. Jennings needs to get his act together. Saying he’s better than Rubio!? HOW DARE HE! Rubio is a champion silver medalist. He has boyish good looks and a LIKABLE accent. I can’t even understand what Jennings is saying with all his hip-hop mumbo jummbo.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 19, 2009 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
Ridnour has a 9 in undefinable intangibles. Heart of a champion.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:24 AM PST up reply actions
I like how people accused Jennings of not taking basketball seriously.
Oh yeah, he’s all talk. That’s how you get good at shooting and passing and dribbling. I’m sure he learned all that stuff by bragging a lot.
When Pete Maravich played basketball with flash he was a genius, Jennings does it and he’s labeled as arrogant.
On a serious note, his hair was way better before.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 19, 2009 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
yes
bring back the high top
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
What's his deal?
When did he see Chris Bosh and go, “Oh man, that looks great!”
I want to root for him, but all the superficial reasons are gone and only substance remains!
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 19, 2009 12:41 AM PST up reply actions
It is frustrating that the last two drafts have been chock full of good point guards and we are still watching Steve Blake dribble.
I mean, go get Conley. He’d probably cost nothing much at this point.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
We drafted a point guard last draft
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
and we are still watching Steve Blake dribble.
He does deserve playing time… so we could actually see what he is at this point.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
Steve Blake
would make a great small forward, if he had 3 more inches.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
Blake's defense has looked OK.
Mostly I think the back-court defense has worked because Miller is good at defending bigger guys, sometimes even better than Roy.
Blake/Roy/Sergio would have been a disaster, but Dre is strong enough that he doesn’t get posted up or pushed around all that much. There were a few plays when he was guarding Joe Johnson that were unbelievable. He did such a good job, even when JJ made the shots anyway.
I think people will see it more as the season goes on, but I think Miller is a HUGE reason for the defense looking half way decent. He orders people around and plays smart defense. He’s telling people when to double, which is a relief to see.
I know Oden has a lot to do with it, but having Miller on the court has helped Oden on defense too. He really is like a coach on the floor, which is a cliche but true.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 18, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
You mean like how he choked away against the Clips?
That one game aside, Blake has never been good against trapping, pressure D. He gets flustered at times and his handles, while solid, is probably below average compared other PGs.
As long as his job is shooting open 3’s, he’ll be fine. But, don’t expect too much out of him on offense.
missed the game
how did we manage to nearly blow an 18 point lead at home to a mediocre team on a back to back?
prevent D against Peyton Manning
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
oh! and pressing D caused team to settle for 1-on-3 plays
and passes to the other team.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
Great, thanks for reminding me of Monday night's disaster...
No, not the Hawks game, the crashing to the earth by Belicheck…
You would have melted down in the gameday thread Jake
Feel good that you missed it, but catch the replay if you can. Third and fourth are the most interesting quarters to watch.
Kenny Vance is a total tool.
I just hate his bumbling analysis and assumptions.
He is currently reading Brandon’s mind.
How does he get a check cut to him every couple weeks?
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 11:02 PM PST reply actions
you said it he reads Roy's mind thats why he getsthe check.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
I'm not sure I even want to watch this game
There is no excuse to let an exhausted mediocre team back from a 20 point deficit to get even close. ugh.
we did not have Outlaw thats why we lost.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
?
…
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah we lost the last 2 games in the 4th quarter cuz our 4th quarter guy is injured for the last 2 days.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
that’s a wise move. you would lose it.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 18, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
Teams come back from 20 down in the NBA all the time
Starters all head to the bench, mediocre team gets some confidence and starts hitting shots they’ve been missing all night.
Good teams will respond and get the win. Blazers won.
It’s all good
He's like the marital counselor with the 6 divorces.
The dentist with 8 false teeth and black molars.
The dog trainer with the disobedient pet doberman.
The L*ker fan without a sense of self-entitlement.
and so forth.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 18, 2009 11:07 PM PST reply actions
Did anyone here enjoy the Blazers when they were a bad team?
I did. Probably time to take a break. Bye!
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
same here
my expectations are too high now and i hate nitpicking on all the little things.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 18, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
I'm getting that way
I think the “problem”, if you can characterize it as that, is that I expected last year’s 50+ win team to add a healthy GO, Martell, and Miller and jump right into the title fray. I still think this is a very good team, probably a 3-5 seed, but this was always supposed to be a growth year, not THE year. I just need to adjust the expectation level
"man, steve blake is clutch *dead*" - Ben Golliver on Twitter
by blazeraddict on Nov 18, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
Heck yeah!
I remember actually thinking Vicktor Khryapa was pretty good! (um, where is he now?)
"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman
He'd still be a good role player if ya ask me
He NEVER got to play for Chicago, and he became disillusioned with being an NBA player and went back home to actually get to play and be happy.
I don’t blame him.
But he woulda’ still been a good role player.
I think he is a good role player
but my Blazer homeritis actually swelled his abilities into something they weren’t at the time he was here!
"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman
the fans
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Winning UG-Leee...
Attended the game tonight (my son’s reading achievement tickets), and had to leave before the end, with the Detroit fans…. Cuz my kid got sleepy, but also because he shouldn’t see and hear me if they had lost that game…
For three quarters, we had fun… Got free parking, dodged the rain, got our popcorn and into our seats just for the tipoff.. Greg got his first foul before I took my coat off, and I was off and booing the sad, sad, state of the NBA refs this year (are we sure these aren’t still the replacements?) Although, Oden, on the next play, blocked a shot that I’m sure he would’ve been called on had they not just called a BS foul on him… (BTW, I could’ve swore he had 2 blocks early, and only saw 1 on the board)
BRoy and LMA were great early. Rudy came in and provided a big energy boost. Dre ran the offense very well. I got a beer. Kid got a sno cone…
LMA and BRoy had more success, and the Blazer D was very solid. Steve Blake hit 3 or 4 shots in the first half, and was looking better than I’ve seen him all year (he would soon revert to his mean mean)…
Halftime… Got my second and last beer, and my son got cotton candy… (I’m such a good Dad)… Blazers played one of the best quarters I’ve seen, good D, running a bit, and opening up a 30 point lead…
Then, the fourth quarter happened, my boy faded, and I – well, had to leave…
Winning a game they easily could have lost… it could be worse…
Glad you got to see SOME fun basketball :-)
Oden had at least 2 blocks that didn’t get counted, by my official MortiCo brand Block Counting Systems.
On the road, I understand missing a few blocks by the opposing team, but by the home team’s stat crew?!?!!
I always enjoy it...
If I could afford it, I’d be sitting next to Paul every night… Love the RG.,..
One really enjoyable thing tonight I meant to comment on… was the talent on display at the RG.. Mama mia…. Maybe it was my little babe magnet next to me, but my eyes and neck are sore!
I am done with this team
I refuse to have anything to do with them between when I finish watching the replay and when I go to Friday’s game. That’s it. I am going cold turkey.
LOL you go jake. You won’t have a cigarette between your smoke breaks, darn it.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
replay blacked out even though I have no access to comcast and live 180 miles from the Rose Garden.
#LPBB fail.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
lol
Don Nelson has been worse in the last two years than Isiah Thomas ever was. He’s the most firable coach ever and yet he’s still here.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 19, 2009 12:25 AM PST up reply actions
The Essence of Shampoo – Luis Scola.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:26 AM PST up reply actions
Everyone reply to the original one
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
Not being a team player
By Mortimer
:D
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
it’s getting way too crowded up there.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 19, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
or go post em in the new JD i just made
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
that works
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
Effective Pick Setting
by Travis Outlaw
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
by jamon51 on Nov 19, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Being Limber by Yao Ming
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
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