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by Dave on Nov 17, 2009 9:37 PM PST
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PrintBaby point guard is in bed and my wife has the girls over to watch "Twilight" so I have fled the impending horde of cooties that accompanies every chick-flick-fest and have taken refuge in my office. Tomorrow's game is researched, everything else is set, therefore I'm going to pass the cootie-dodging time by opening up a live chat. If anybody cares to join in for the next hour or more I'll be here ready to discuss Blazers, the site, life, or anything else you're curious about. Comments are open...now.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Hi Dave
Who is surprising you most and dissappointing you the most on the Blazers squad right now?
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life,(of the Blazers), (of KP's madness), of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity." - Albert Einstein
by BlazerandBeaverBELIEVER on Nov 17, 2009 9:39 PM PST reply actions
I'm surprised that Oden is this good this quickly
Disappointment has changed over the season. I’m a little disappointed that Martell didn’t keep up his level of play even though he was asked to come off the bench. I had been somewhat disappointed in Rudy before he stepped it up this past week or so. LaMarcus had some rough outings too but is coming along. Probably Martell overall so far based on how he started to where he is now.
Martell
Is Martell really not bringing it or has he just hit a temporary rut? It took Rudy a bit to rise up after starting for Spain all summer, but you know he’ll be huge for us come May no matter what.
by Chief Play Good Play Hard on Nov 17, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
Martell
has a Travis-like growth curve. Also he has a history of starting seasons in fantastic fashion and then fading into oblivion.
Martell is the new Travis
complete with willy-nilly drives that end in cringe-inducing turnovers
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
He finished really well
two years ago over the last ten games or so before getting shut down with his heart. The guy really needs to find some consistency at this point.
big minutes helped him… playing so few minutes makes him even more spastic.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
maybe the end of 3 guard sans Travis will boost those minutes and his output
his D was looking good, he should have had a great +- when he was starting, yeah?
by Chief Play Good Play Hard on Nov 17, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Nate tends to stick with things
until it’s proven that they don’t work. I’d say at least a couple more weeks, maybe longer. Unless Blake continues to bork his triples. Then I wonder if we can afford it.
How do we stave out unfounded panic
Every team we lose?
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Give people another year
Let us see a playoff series win. Then perspective will come. We are still not used to winning as a fan base so losing brings out a pretty big response.
I have to say
I’m used to winning, but that’ maybe just because because I grew up here and remember all the glory years in the late 80s/early 90s.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I consider Blazers fans
Who didn’t get to grow up with Schonz unlucky at best. They missed out on so much awesomeness.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I really wish the Blazers would do "season in review" DVD's
It would be a fun way to see the old teams.
I still have some of the old VHS videos
From the 80s/early 90s. They were quite fun.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I also have all my old
KEX song tapes, including “Bust A Bucket” among others.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
This is the first time I'm happy to be unlucky
“Lickety brindle up the middle” What does that even mean?
speaking for myself, its not panic about particular losses
Its a consistent worry that this team might not have what it takes to ever win a title. For me its the feeling that this group is the best chance to win a title we’re going to have, possibly for decades… but there’s so much that has to go right.
Its the fact that I want to see a championship so bad that makes me worry when we don’t see rapid improvement, and when we see potential problems and reason to believe Nate won’t be a championship coach.
None of my core teams
Has ever own a title. I want to be the one in the parade for once. I get that.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I am scared that this team is going to fall short like the Drexler teams did. That would be heartbreaking.
I know that sounds ridiculous to feel “scared” about that at this point, but I feel that way sometimes.
I don't worry about that yet
I just know that if we stay healthy, this team will win it.
Now if we haven’t made the WCF in five years, or so, I’ll worry.
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I don't know. So much has to go right. There are so many great players that will stand in our way.
I don’t think there’s a better than 50/50 shot this team ever wins one.
sure, but I don't want to fall short again. How many times do you get the R.O.Y and then the #1 pick?
If this group doesn’t do it, when will it happen in Portland? PA’s health situation adds to the pressure I feel with this group.
well, the only option at this point is to let them go and see what happens. The core is pretty much set, with Oden determining how far we eventually go.
I think a big key in the next few years is Rudy. Can he blossom into a star? If so, does he stay in Portland?
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
yeah I agree, I'm just trying to rationalize the overreaction you see from me after tough losses.
I guess overreacting is never really rational, but I’m trying to rationalize it anyway.
are humans rational? Overreacting is emotion, something that is an intrinsic part of our nature.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
I have had that fear
which is part of why I’ve spent the better part of the last three years (ever since Roy came on board) talking about the difference between just winning and winning it all. These guys still don’t have any clue about what the latter takes. They will learn though. Brandon is our big hope. He does NOT have the second-place mentality. If he can lead then Oden and LMA are wingmen enough to get it done.
To me, it relies on Oden
He’s the one with the potential to take us from a very good team who falls short, to a great team that actually has a chance to win the championship each year.
We wouldn’t be able to do it without Roy, he’s the heart and soul, but we need Oden to be Oden to win titles.
the big guy
all champions have agood big man
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 17, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Or, at least, a dominant post player
Jordan was a dominant post player, so even his teams aren’t the exception.
The only exception I can think of is the flukey Rasheed Pistons.
Roy will always do all he can to win the game. He goes into a different mode at the end of games, which is what legends are made of over time. But, we need dominant post play— it is more reliable, it gets the other team’s bigs in foul trouble, you get higher percentage shots, you force teams to double you, throwing their defense into disarray, the list goes on and on.
Oden has a chance to be that player, and we’ve seen it in moments out on the floor inbetween fouls.
LMA can be a perfect 3rd dude on a title winning team, and we got a few guys who could develop into “backbreaker” players… Rudy, Bayless, Batum, etc. Guys that kill ya, finish ya off, after the Big 3 do their damage. If you happen to be lucky enough to match up with the Big 3, you’ve likely hit your limit of production and then our backbreakers come in and do what the Joker did to Batgirl.
by Mortimer on Nov 17, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And while that Sheed Pistons team
didn’t have an elite offensive post presence, I don’t think it can be overstated how dominant inside they were inside on the defensive end, which basically neutralized post offenses in their playoff games. The stats don’t really show it since they barely had any time together during the season, but that was probably one of the all-time great defensive squads.
Garnett's Celtics
who was their post player?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Yeah, it can be done
but you really need to be ridiculously dominant defensively to make up for it, and as long as Roy and LA are playing huge minutes, it’s hard to imagine that being the case
not a post scorer though.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
You're right, KG isn't really a post player so they didn't have one.
But, they had a stifling defense, anchored by the best defense big man of the decade.
It still equals Dominant Bigs = Titles.
hopefully
Oden will be considered the “best defensive big man” of the next decade
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
He's got a real nice shot
He’s a better and more physical post defender than Dwight Howard is, but it’s often to his detriment because he gets called for more fouls than Howard does.
Oden has a better center of gravity to both establish position and stop someone else from establishing position on him. Dwight Howard’s legs are too long and he isn’t good as good at that.
Might sound silly, but it’s a real thang.
He’s definitely a better defender than Bynum right now… and I think it’s been clear that his defensive hype that wasn’t real last year has become an actuality so far.
His offense is still very raw and when he isn’t in foul trouble he is still usually very effective… backing into 10+ points and all. I got high hopes for him on that end as well.
I am an Oden.Homer though…
Dwight Howard is top heavy
Which, of course, is a sign of steroid abuse.
I shade more to him being a genetic freak, but I distrust Howard’s physique much more than Lebron… I am convinced Lebron is just a genetic marvel.
Howard’s skinny legs and super buff upper body is common with steroid users.
Not to get the conversation into this un-fun stuff, of course… I was just reminded of it when thinking about their center of gravity. Howard’s long legs and much skinnier legs when compared to his upper body make him easy to establish position on.
Where the term "silicon valley" first came from
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 17, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahahahaha!
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
If anyone is on steroids, it's indeed Dwight Howard.
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Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
You guys seen the Nuggets strength coach/trainer guy?
He is clearly roided out… like, no chance he isn’t.
This used to be his head:
Now it is this:
In two seasons.
I haven't seen a head get that swollen so quickly since
well never mind
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
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well, duh
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Kenyon is a interesting figure in the steroi debate.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
NO WAY.
I always see him and get grossed out, but that is amazing that that’s what he used to look like.
You’re Right-The Arkitect
Thats what you get for
Hamgin out with A-Rod
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 17, 2009 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
Can' type as fast as I think.Spellcheckkkkkk
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 18, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
I Said..........
Oh never mind!holy crap!
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 18, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
How about Brock Lesnar's recent health issues?
No matter the sport — whether it’s MLB, NFL, NBA, MMA, et cetera — steroids exist. I, unlike most folks, am pretty apathetic about the topic, because I know that damn near every human being will do whatever they’ve got to do to receive an advantage in life. Hell, that’s just our nature.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Lesnar turned out to have a bacterial infection in his intestinal tract
Just noting this since it’s a pretty recent development.
Okay, I thought it was a Giambi type thing.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I bet he wears that under-shirt thingy
To hide the puffy nipples steroid uses can get, because the estrogen rises creates little man boobs that have to be negated by other steroids to compensate for it.
But most still get that puffiness there before the other stuff can make it more normal again…
LMA is top heavy and skinny legged as well…
not all steroids have those effects
and ya can’t take away the fact that steroids alone are fairly meaningless, it takes a LOT of hard work and dedication to create a physique like LeBron or Howard, steroids or not.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 18, 2009 6:43 AM PST up reply actions
I'm definitely half joking about the undershirt thing
It doesn’t take away how good of an all-round player Lebron is, but Howard’s game isn’t based on skill, it’s based on power and explosiveness.
Really, much of Lebron’s game is like that too— if he had Roy’s body, he’d still be very good because he’s a great passer and very unselfish, but being built like a PF but playing like a SG/SF is what makes him great… and that can be based upon steroid use.
For the record, I definitely do not think Lebron juices. I think he is a freak of nature, but still from nature.
Howard just has a physique common to those who juice and don’t/can’t compensate for the legs. Sometimes, they just CAN’T compensate for the legs because of genetics, and the steroids just balloon their upper body. I am not an expert, I just got friends involved in the body building industry so I’ve learned some basics over the years.
I think steroids alone won’t make a normal guy a NBA player, but steroids on a 6’9" huge frame and a guy with some basic skills can make them super powerful. I think steroids would help Howard very, very much. He is all power.
Ya still gotta be good at basketball for steroids to help, but steroids plus a weight training regimen that maximizes the results really helps.
they still gotta lift
heavy heavy weight. No way around that. Hard work, diet, and dedication
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 18, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
He could just not be doing enough leg work
Or enough of the type of leg work to induce hypertrophy. Also, remember that all the running an NBA player does during games, playing, and practice tends to make the quads a bit smaller (Jerryd Bayless excepted).
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 18, 2009 6:40 AM PST up reply actions
it's ok, they're already talking to Dave in a separate thread
;-p
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With Travis down, do you see KP making a trade for PF help?
I hate Comcast
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
Start Rudy
I think it's telling
That Quick had KP this evening saying that they were going to give the guys they have a chance first. That means yes, we’re considering a trade. Otherwise it would have gone without saying or would have been a flat, “We don’t need it”. But we were considering trades BEFORE the injury as well so this isn’t a big change. It’s just a matter of whether (and how much) Travis going down hampers any trade that could have been made otherwise.
do you see Kurt Thomas a reasonable pickup for Portland? He isn’t playing in Milwaukee.
i cry for nic
You can always answer
in these. They’re not just for me. They’re to start conversation. Comment away!
I wonder how much better Thomas is than Howard.
really? He has nearly twice the rebound rate. Seems to be better, even at his advanced age.
Who is a reasonable target?
i cry for nic
The thing is
that some guys need minutes to get their rhythm. I’ve always seen Howard and Thomas as guys who play best when they get consistent time. (I could be all wrong about that, it’s completely observational. I haven’t checked the stats.) Consistent time isn’t available at that position right now. I want a guy who’s going to come in and bust chops for 3-4 minutes, terrorize everybody, and then be happy with the hand-slaps he gets (plus the little birdies circling around the opponents’ heads) when he takes the bench again.
so a young kid like Pops Mensah-Bonsu?
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Kris Kristofferson is available
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I <3 Kevin Pittsnoggle.
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by prezofdeath on Nov 17, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
DeJuan Blair
if only, if only
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Regardless, Rudiculous still sucks.
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Can mods be banned? :)
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Start Rudy
by blazeraddict on Nov 17, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder how much better Thomas is than Howard.
Why do I get the feeling that AK194 is feverishly composing a 5 paragraph reply to this…?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Nah, that'd be too much work for me.
To put it simply, though, Kurt Thomas is a vastly superior defender, rebounder, and more efficient mid-range jump shooter than Juwan Howard. On the whole, Thomas > Howard in every facet of the game; it’s no contest.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Right now
I’d go for Richard Hendrix. Unfortunately, he’s over in Europe, so not this year
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Start Rudy
by blazeraddict on Nov 17, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
Regardless, I'd still argue that Minnesota has the worst collection of talent.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Does that "worst" collection include the injured?
i.e, are you busting on K-Love too?
by conspirator5 on Nov 17, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
Even if Kevin Love was healthy, Minnesota would still be complete trash right now.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
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I get the feeling NJ doesn't mind, they're closing in on some good lottery odds
And we’re only 10 games into the season.
If Prokhorov goes through
and they end up with a top 3 pick along with a big name FA and a Brooklyn stadium deal, they’re easily the next ones in line for the Portland/OKC “team of the future” talk. Wall/Aldrich, Lopez, Lee, Harris (who’d probably be moved if they got Wall) along with LBJ/Bosh/Johnson would make for a scary team.
Agreed - he won the game for them
With Collins out with deep thigh cramps
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
At the moment though free agents don’t want to go there. Pops Mensah-Bonsu said he would sign in Russia if they picked him up off waivers, lol the irony.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Yeah, Mikhail and the Brooklyn move
remain the single most important piece to their future. As bad as they’ve looked this year, though, that team has the potential to get scary good real fast.
That’s the scary thing about the Knicks: How can you be so bad for so long, and not pick up great young talent? That team has max 3 guys I would like on my future team, and none of them is a superstar.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
What happens when you're continually dumping 1sts
in S&T’s for guys like Starbury and Curry.
Ironically, Isiah’s decent late 1st drafting probably hurt them in the long run, with Lee and Nate keeping them from really truly plumbing the depths of the lottery. That team’s future would look a lot better with Derrick Rose instead of Gallo, although I still like Gallinari.
Although, sadly, this would have also worked out a lot better for other teams as well given how many picks they’ve given away recently.
The Warriors could also be really bad really fast
Jackson is out, Azubuike is out, Bell says “screw this team, I’m now getting surgery”, Ellis is on his way out, …
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Unless you mean, "why are they even in the league" bad..
Then yes, they haven’t reached that level yet…but they will.
Why are you so sure baby is a point guard?
Aren’t you worried about giving him a complex? Will he miss out on being the next Pau Gasol because he isn’t able to behind-the-back pass with his elbows?
He's got the point guard
good looks. Besides he’s good to go at that position no matter what height he ends up being. If he’s going to be Baby Center he needs to be 7’.
Hard to do when you are a baby
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Dave, what would you do if the Blazers were no longer in Portland, or no longer the Blazers?
I’m not sure I could stick with the team. Could you?
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if they moved to scranton
then i’d continue watching.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
It would be really, really hard
My heart wouldn’t be in it. If it were just me I’d drop it for sure. I don’t know what I’d do about the writing thing though. I don’t even want to consider it.
I think I could stick with them if they only changed the city
but if the “Blazers” became the “Cardinals” or something, I think that would be it for me. I probably wouldn’t even watch the league at all.
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From my end of things, I'll always hate the Oklahoma City Thunder. Now, regarding the NBA, I'm ...
still a fan because basketball is my favorite sport — while football is second and baseball is third — while there’s still a team within the Pacific Northwest region (duh!) that I can root for without feeling like an outsider. If the Seattle Seahawks had moved to Los Angeles in the mid-‘90s, I’d’ve had a real tough time becoming a San Francisco 49ers fan or whatnot.
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The worst case scenario for me if they become the Sonics
just threw up in my mouth thinking about it.
I would follow Roy, LMA, and Oden,
and bayless and batum
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 17, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
I'd devote all my energies to the Ducks
And probably get really depressed.
You made me very sad, please stop.
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He's going to have to play 30+ minutes (which will result in averaging a double double) consistently for a significant period of time.
That will make people start to change their minds.
he has a major impact when he's out there
However, to truly be an elite player, he has to do it for more minutes on a consistent basis.
I bet our defensive ratings go way up too
His impact has been clear when watching, and it’s only the raw per-game stats that don’t always show it.
That is Oden’s fault a lot of the time, because of the fouls, but it will get better.
his high foul rate hurts the defense… which means that he is even more scary good on D to have such good stats while fouling.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
he and Joel are 1/2 in basketball-reference's "defensive rating" right now.
That’s partly a function of our team Drating (which is unsustainably good right now due to our crazy low 3 pt % against), but its still cool. Our D gets WAY worse when neither Joel or Greg is in. Right now the 2 Cs are about equal on D but there’s a big difference on O.
we’re not THAT low with the opp. three point. LA, OKC, and others are lower.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
oh, when I checked yesterday we were like 23rd. The Atlanta game bumped us down a bit.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
I would say a guest star one shot in a UPN comedy
Maaaaa-tin Maaaaa-tin Maaaaa-tin
Lawrence!
They need to bring back Martin and Living Single.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
That takes stats
or lots and lots of wins. Greg probably won’t get huge averages this year, so I’d say towards the end of the season. Unless, of course, he has a couple of huge games. Then they start noticing even if you don’t accumulate numbers.
3 things
1) he needs to consistently get 30+ minutes a night (ie no more foul trouble). His per-36 numbers are pretty freaking good, now he just needs to get those minutes.
2) he needs to a have HUGE game on National TV (do we play the Suns on TNT or ESPN this year?). then the idiots [ie Legler, Jalen and co.] will all start trumpeting oden’s name and tell us how they told us he would break out etc.
3) he’s already getting some attention. he’s #5 on ESPN’s DPOY watch.
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hahaha.
now that’s funny.
If the glory can be killed, we are lost. --John Steinbeck
by DrivetheLane on Nov 17, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
Is it me, or does Dave's writing personality suggest a portly stature?
I assure you, he is not. I think his progeny is more likely to be a small forward.
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i've seen Dave before.
i’d say a 3/4 combo type would be about right.
If the glory can be killed, we are lost. --John Steinbeck
by DrivetheLane on Nov 17, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
that's how I like my strippers
You won.
by Roybot on Nov 11, 2009 1:41 AM PST
by Magnum on Nov 17, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought Twilight was only enjoyed by girls under 21
You won.
by Roybot on Nov 11, 2009 1:41 AM PST
there are many milfs who enjoy twilight
as noted by Gavin
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
are you sure you were born a female?
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
so that's one reason to like you
and you don’t want to know how many against liking you
You won.
by Roybot on Nov 11, 2009 1:41 AM PST
i saw the trailer.
that was enough for me
If the glory can be killed, we are lost. --John Steinbeck
by DrivetheLane on Nov 17, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
I feel sort of bad for Kristen Stewart, who's got to deal with lunatic fans of that series.
Regarding Stewart, I thought that she did a bang-up job on Conan O’Brien last night. You can tell that she’s extremely uncomfortable with the fame, though. Yet, as I inferred above, I don’t blame her one bit.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
She looks exactly like a girl I dated a few years ago.
That girl used to do the hand talking thing, quiet coyote or whatever, and it drove me nuts.
Had to dump her just for that.
I take that memory out on Kristen Stewart, and I’ve only seen her in Adventureland.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
Advertureland is the one film that I saw with her in it, too.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I kinda want to know where you were going with that
is she a hot 20 something gold digger after your millions and your Blazers’ Edge empire?
You won.
by Roybot on Nov 11, 2009 1:41 AM PST
I don't even know mine
She’s off with the lady’s watching Twilight right now as well. At least thats the story she gave me…
by Chief Play Good Play Hard on Nov 17, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
my friend is in twilight. watch for him dave
lessssss go
by dougall5505 on Nov 17, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
OK, as I'm approaching that half century mark myself...
and don’t feel “really old” – FLAG!
I was gonna make this a fanshot
but I’ll just dump it in here… KP quote from BT Smith earlier today
“You don’t just replace Travis Outlaw. He’s a special talent,” Pritchard said. “And we’ve got to identify how long he’s going to be out first, and then make some judgments.” … Pritchard stated that veteran Juwan Howard and rookie Dante Cunningham will fill in for Outlaw, but acknowledged that the team now has a hole to fill at the power forward position. “We owe Dante and Juwan some time to see how they do,” Pritchard said. “And I know Nate feels like that they worked hard, they’re prepared, and they’ll get in.”
If you know me, that “the team now has a hole to fill at the power forward position” line made my ears prick up. Like I’ve been saying since last winter, Portland needs another big guy who can bang, and maybe if Howard and Dante don’t “show enough” in their audition KP will waive Mills and add another big player to the roster…and hopefully it will be someone better than Shav or Ruffin!
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http://columbian.com/article/20091117/BLOGS05/911179991/-1/blazerbanter
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Dave, so glad you were able to open this up. I mentioned that we hadn’t had a chat for a long time in the Atlanta recap thread.
Anyway… what are the best and worst parts of the site expanding to the current size? Will there be any changes coming up soon?
i cry for nic
A few adjustments
Best part is the exciting conversation 24/7. The worst part is that while the percentage of yuckiness by volume remains relatively the same, having the site grow exponentially means a similar growth in yuck. You attract trolls more. You have to settle people down more. There’s only so much a guy can do though. The community really has to step up and continually demonstrate good conversation to keep this a place that people care about. I think sometimes people forget that and just dive into the muck.
Do you just not have as much time to comment? It seems like back a year, two years ago you were a much more active commenter.
i cry for nic
That is exactly it
When the site was smaller it was easy. I wasn’t as busy and there weren’t as many comments. I had everything covered. Now there are so many demands on my time (to be fair some of that is baby and family too) and so many comments that it’s overwhelming. This saddens me as I miss the interaction. Discussion is my favorite part.
it’s the part of small Blazersedge that I miss the most. The small community feel.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
I think part of that
is my distance. That can be re-created by others though if they’re intentional about it. It takes being interactive and welcoming and excited to talk without becoming clique-ish. That’s a darn fine line to toe, I know, but it can be done.
agreed
i remember when there was so little national coverage, that i coudl spend 15 mins and read every article that mentioned the blazers every day…and then we would complain that we weren’t getting national attention. when we finally did everyone was just jumping up and down.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
You should give Baby Point Guard a job.
He could take Prez’s job as a Mod.
You’re Right-The Arkitect
and he would probably do a better job too...
ZING!!!!
RUDY > MJ
by Rudiculous on Nov 17, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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by prezofdeath on Nov 17, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
The podcast with
Prez,Philthy and Magnum was fun,old dogs can learn new tricks
by southern oregon on Nov 17, 2009 9:49 PM PST reply actions
it's coming...it's coming....slow down. it's like a baby
first you make it, then you have to wait before it comes out.
My life has a superb cast, but I can't figure out the plot. --Woody Paige
by prezofdeath on Nov 17, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
I would?
I mean…ahem. Yes, yes. Know all about it.
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by prezofdeath on Nov 17, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah...he read it in a book
however there were storks in it so don’t be too sure he knows what he is talking about
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 17, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
Is the NBA trying to hold us back?
I sometimes feel that games like last nights are fixed for some reason. You watch a lot of games and some of them just seem like they are called really poorly. It seems that they always favor the current season’s “favorite” team. Maybe it’s just me.
by AtlBlzr on Nov 17, 2009 9:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
its weird
that we all feel that the nba is so corrupt and that games are fixed…yet when an injustice happens in the NFL…it was just a blown call.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
I'll breathe my last breath believing that Super Bowl XL was rigged from the get-go.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I agree.
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the Stealers
are the L*A of the NFL
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It just seems like in the NFL any team can win.
We see lots of different teams win in NFL but name me the last underdog team to win the Finals
by AtlBlzr on Nov 17, 2009 9:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
There is a slant
but it’s not particularly anti-Portland. The Blazers have beaten the refs plenty of times before. They have to make up their minds that nothing will stop them. Once they break through that barrier they become like the Spurs. But if you let the refs beat you, sooner or later they will. That goes for every team, outside of L.A., not just the Blazers.
the Blazers got the calls in New Orleans, I felt. We (sans Oden) are getting more respect this year.
i cry for nic
8th in the league, just behind Kobe Bryant
Brandon’s had a number of benefit-of-the-doubt calls early this season. The refs don’t seem to have an axe to grind with Brandon anymore.
Every team in every sport
feels like they get jobbed by the officials at some point. Weren’t the Phillies fans complaining in the world series this year, too?
I just can't see the NBA and the refs favoring Atlanta though
A team with no strong fan support and has never been very good… I just don’t see it.
And the Atlanta game is the only one I can think of where the refs really blew it in ways that really hurt us.
Hi
My question for Dave is, what lineup do you go with in the last 3-5 minutes of a tight game. Obviously matchups would probably change your thinking, but just in general…
RUDY > MJ
I was going to ask this too
Do you think Miller be able to play with Roy down the stretch with his lack of shooting? It could get awkward if he sits at the end all season.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Nov 17, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
Let's assume only the players we have now
I think I try Miller-Rudy-Roy-LMA-Oden for a while, maybe not at the end of games at this point, but to see how it works. Blake has a better sense of where to be on the court and is a better link between Miller and Roy right now. But Rudy is a more natural shooting guard and can also pass a little and hit better shots.
From this post to Nate's eyes...
Man, I would love to see that lineup on a regular basis.
Whas should be do with Bill SImmons tomorrow?
How should we mock him at the game?
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I suggested in Ben's report on his book
that everybody just juxtapose him with Richard Simmons. Gaudy shorts…big afro…photoshop away.
Dave-
Do you think the Blazers will try and do something before the trade deadline and if so who would you like the blazers to go after before the trade deadline?
ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGH!!!!!!!!- Sabonis getting fouled.
Yes
But the who is too multi-leveled for just a comment. The Blazers could go a bunch of directions. We can’t forget that Nic Batum will be coming back at some point though. I think the roster seems more hole-filled than it really is right now. Portland won’t be forced into a move but they’ll be exploring.
For Dave
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
Geez I thought that would the Los Angeles team
my bad
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The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 17, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Not per se
But it may increase his fatigue level, mentally if nothing else. I believe Roy will ask to be moved back to shooting guard before long. That’s one of the reasons I think the three-guard thing’s days are numbered.
One thing for sure Roy IS a better rebounder than any of our SF's
Can’t any of these guys learn to box out?
we keep waiting for that
I thought for sure we’d see it for the ATL game…but Martell is playing with such suckitude that Nate can’t justify giving him even the “7 minutes to start each half, then sit” Batum mini-role
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Sup Dave!
We just finished the podcast and were talking about the need for a Blazers Edge night. Care to tease if/when the next one might be?
My life has a superb cast, but I can't figure out the plot. --Woody Paige
^^away game gathering.
Obviously the BEdge night at the Rose Garden is gonna’ be sweet.
But are we gonna’ do something similar to the Denver game at The Agency again this year?
My life has a superb cast, but I can't figure out the plot. --Woody Paige
we should rent out pioneer square
and set up a projector.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
That'd be uber-expensive
But awesome. I’d go.
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I WON A HAT!!!
not that I’m bragging about my amazing score predicting abilities. BUT I WON AND TIH DIDNT!!!!
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Let’s do it Thursday and we’ll be able to recap tomorrow’s game.
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by prezofdeath on Nov 17, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
rude
no invite for cloudy?
when are we going to do the “Podcast of Love”?
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
I thought I asked you once and you were like no way.
If you want in, that would be the bomb diggity.
My life has a superb cast, but I can't figure out the plot. --Woody Paige
by prezofdeath on Nov 17, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
heck yes I want in
I didn’t realize it was just a phone call — i figured you had to have a mic
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
you should be the token asian
cuz i gotta work on thursday night.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
insanely.
It woulda’ been cool to see something like
C – Channing
PF – Travis
SF – Martell
SG – Rudy
PG – Sergio
For a second unit this year. Can you imagine how many fast break points we’d have? Zoinks scoob.
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by prezofdeath on Nov 17, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
while that sounds good in theory, I’m don’t think it works. Having two bad links in pick and roll D is generally bad. Sergio and Channing guarding the p and r is a welcome mat. They probably give up more points than they score.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
while that sounds good in theory
I appreciate it, but it doesn’t actually sound great in theory…hahah it doesn’t sound great no matter how you spin it. I just love run-and-gun ball.
If I wasn’t a Blazer fan, I’d be a Sun fan.
My life has a superb cast, but I can't figure out the plot. --Woody Paige
by prezofdeath on Nov 17, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
great minds think alike
bc thats really the only other team i’ll watch aside from sunday morning games.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
ugh. I like defense and post-based offense with opportunistic running. The run and gun stuff is kind of entertaining but it loses its flavor quickly.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
i miss that group
kinda like i miss the cast of saved by the bell
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Uh, that'd've been awful.
1. Nate McMillan doesn’t run fast breaks for any lineup, period.
2. The interior defense with Channing Frye and Travis Outlaw would be digusting.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
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by prezofdeath on Nov 17, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
I don't say that because I necessarily wish he was back here, it just
pleases me to see him successful. I hope it lasts.
same here
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by prezofdeath on Nov 17, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
you've got to rebound before you can run
and that lineup has “most 2nd chance points surrendered, per minute” written all over it
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I always loved Channing's shot
Just didn’t love his overall game for the Blazers. Keep in mind you’re seeing the Phoenix effect when you see his stats.
do you think the Blazers made a mistake by not hammering into his head the importance of shooting 3s instead of long 2s?
the way Phoenix seems to have done?
The PF in the Blazers' offense
doesn’t get three-point looks. People talk about just stepping back but that’s unnatural. Ever tried it when you’re 2-3 feet inside of the line? The motion of any shot goes forward. Between the backing up, stopping, setting, and firing you’re probably going to get a hand in your face before you get that shot up. Not everybody can be Rudy and even he only steps back a little.
so why not just stand at the 3 point line instead?
If the offense leaves you in position to take 20+ foot 2 pointers consistently, isn’t that just a poorly designed offense?
gotta at least be "somewhat" near the O boards
and in position to set a pick
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by HurraKane212 on Nov 17, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know. Channing wasn't getting any O-rebs or setting any great picks as it was.
I tend to think the Blazers just did a poor job using him.
There is also the possibility that channing wasnt the 3pt shooter last year that he is this year...
RUDY > MJ
Channing was a career 33% 3 point shooter going into this year. He's not going to keep shooting 47%.
However, 33% on threes is like 50% on twos, and there is no way he was even approaching hitting 50% of his 20+ footers last year.
Steve Colter could do it
I saw him hit a huge “jump back” 3 pointer against the Mavs back in the mid-80s down in old Reunion arena
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Dave, Hello From Australia
Dave long time blazer fan from down under.
What do you think the chances are of Blazers waiving Mills to get a back-up tp cover the PF spot.
Hola amigo!
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by prezofdeath on Nov 17, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
If they need to
they will. I don’t think Patty has any hold on them at this point. I’d like to get to see him more first. I wonder, though, if addressing the PF thing is really going to require that.
you sound like you have a theory...
do tell, unless it’s like the Shaq theory…
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lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 17, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know that anyone is available on the open market
that will do significantly better with those minutes than the guys we’ve got. I think the power forward hole is overblown right now. Travis wasn’t exactly your prototypical PF. He was a scorer. And you sure won’t find any of those unsigned.
I’d like to get to see him more first
Exactly. I think if Mills hadn’t hurt his foot, everyone would’ve seen him play during summer league and during fall camp and he wouldn’t have such a mystique of being the little guy who dribbled through team USA. Patty reminds me of the 3rd string QB who’s never been in the game and thrown a pick, so the fans hold unrealistic expectations of his mad skillz
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
whether or not Patty breaks his foot has no bearing on his mystique. People were hyping him before his injury.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
yes, but
if he had actually played this summer/fall we would have seen the holes in his game against NBA competition, and he’d be playing over in Europe right now
and I read some pre-draft reviews on Mills that were not so complimentary, from folks who watched him play more than once or twice
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
he’d still have the mystique. People in Phoenix loved Dragic through much of last year even when he sucked.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
they need to wait
until Paul Allen is under anesthesia…just kidding…KP doesn’t want Paul’s health to take a sudden turn for the worse, so he’s keeping Patty around and letting Nate work out the Juwan/Dante show at backup PF
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Do you ever worry that this team might be good but never good enough for a title like a lot of pundits and external fans seem to think?
Not just if Greg pans out. I’m recently thinking more and more that this team needs a second bona-fide scorer besides Roy, and I’m not sure he is on the roster and/or the team sees it the same way. I would sleep much more calmly if that team had e.g. a great SF scorer who penetrates to create easy buckets. Not sure Nic can be that, and I’m pretty sure Martell and Travis aren’t.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
GERALD WALLACE
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big wings dependent on athleticism decline very early in their careers. Add in Crash’s injury history and I want no part of him.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Atlanta looked way more athletic than our guys. Just an example, I don’t think they are constructed to win it all, but for once I would like to root for a team that’s not full of jump shooters.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
aren’t we like third in FT/FGA?
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
Bayless, Roy, Oden, and Nic aren’t jump-shooters. That is four-fifths of the potential starting lineup.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
Roy to me is a good mix which makes him so dangerous. Aside from posting up he can do it all.
Bayless is not a part of the starting lineup any time soon even if I would like to see that. Nic and all SFs we have gets used as a jump-shooter standing in the corner even if he could be much more judging by his international play.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
bold prediction
If Bayless makes the starting lineup (with mostly everyone still in place), we will win the WCF.
Bayless as a starter would indicate an ability to run an offense, hit threes, and play D. Add that to his general “Baylessness” and our starting 5 would be ridiculous.
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by HurraKane212 on Nov 17, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
Jerryd doesn't know when to pass vs. drive
The less decision-making he needs to do, the more agressive he’ll be
which is why Nate has him playing alongside Rudy, who runs the offesne so Rex can focus on “attack mode” and not be concerned about setting up the others
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he has to learn at some point.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
good thing the blazers practice!!!
Even better that Steve and Miller are both working with the first team, I am sure that Bayless has been getting all the 2nd unit reps at point….
RUDY > MJ
you can’t learn how to lead a team in practice. You just can’t. Billups, Westbrook, all the guys that learned to point guard… it’s game time experience.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
it might make or break his mental state.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
So
what are you advocating? Playing Bayless 30 mpg? 20mpg? The more bayless plays, the less time a savy vet like Miller is on the floor helping to develop Oden/Aldridge. I guess I don’t understand what you want to see as far as Rex’s minutes…
RUDY > MJ
LOL
If only the coaching staff weren’t blind and stupid they would realize that THIS IS OUR ONLY CHANCE TO GO 78-4.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 18, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
I would like to see him playing 15 minutes per game.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
I am sure you will get your wish at some point
injuries happen. The bigger problem is where do those 15 minutes come from(Blake is your answer, I am sure) and why should Bayless get those minutes over Rudy and Webster…
RUDY > MJ
not necessarily
a lot of small shooting guards come into the NBA and never make the transition to being effective PGs, even coming off the bench
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
huh? My point is that we won’t find out if he can make the transition until we hand him the reins and see how it goes for a year or so. Whether it works or not is neither here nor there.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
so you're saying
take out Blake, put in Bayless and live with the growing pains?
The Blazers have passed that mile post as a team
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
did the Celtics bench Rondo in their title year? Did the Spurs neglect Parker? Both those teams were older and could afford developing a young point guard less.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
Actually
the older part helped more. They could raise him up better than the Blazers can raise up a point guard right now. Besides, if Tony Parker had needed to post up in Tim Duncan’s position in order to be effective he wouldn’t have gotten the same opportunity. Parker and Bayless are apples and oranges, not just as far as their skills but their playing relationship to teammates.
That's kinda how I see it too
We aren’t a team of solid consistent vets… especially with Oden, we are young and raw and developing. That’s why a consistent, solid PG like Blake had been a good choice in the past, because we had a lot of wildness and unpredictableness to deal with.
An established group of players like KG, Pierce, and Allen can better handle a raw young PG than we can. Developing Bayless with big minutes, while we are developing guys like Oden and when he comes back Batum… it’s tough.
I like Bayless and believe he can be a perfect fit, but our team is still too young to handle a wild PG type. He’s gotta prove it in 15 minute stints, which I do hope he gets soon…
I’m only asking for fifteen minute stints.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
i would guess
that later this season bayless will regularly get 15 min stints. he has filled his role so far well, and can handle a bit more on his plate.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe the Blazers should do with Bayless what I do with my wife
I tell her she’s getting 15 minutes but it normally turns out to just be five minutes.
Those teams
weren’t trying to develop their young big 3 into perennial contenders. When Roy, Aldridge, and Oden are 10 year vets, they can afford to develop a young point guard.
RUDY > MJ
I'm all for Bayless getting 15 minutes
After he shows he can be good for 5 minutes and then 10 minutes.
Both those teams were older and could afford developing a young point guard less
Give Nate a break, he’s been developing young PGs for 4+ years and now he finally has 2 veterans at that position (even though Blake’s been playing some “SG”) It’s time to win now, not wait for the kid to play catch up
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My related point
which is why Nate has him playing alongside Rudy, who runs the offesne so Rex can focus on "attack mode" and not be concerned about setting up the others
Isn’t this pretty much what Roy does as well? All the more reason I think Rex can be effective next to Roy
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Card carrying member of Team Bayless
Start Rudy
by blazeraddict on Nov 17, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
not really
Roy doesn’t run the halfcourt offense, he runs the ISO and hits the open man when the defense cuts off his driving lane
Bayless would be better off playing alongside a tall PG who can defend SGs, someone like Jason Kidd…but then Jerryd would have to start knocking down the open jumpers like he (reportedly) does in practice
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this is when i like jerryd the most
just keeping it simple.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
Orlando made it to the finals last year with a roster of pretty average guys around a great center. If you have a center in the NBA, you can make it work.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
I just want them to be fun to watch and be good enough to keep the possibility of
a championship somewhat realistic. I want them to play well. Whether they actually win one or not isn’t as big a deal to me as it seems to some people.
Aldridge really is the key
if Oden doesn’t develop into an offensive force. Even when he was on last year, I never really felt like I was watching a guy who could be a second scorer at the same level of a Pau or Tony Parker/Ginobili.
Obviously he starts slowly every year, but he’s having an Elton Brand-esque response to signing this new deal.
I see it as very highly unlikely Aldridge will ever be as good as Pau.
That’s why we need Oden to be a two-way force for major minutes.
he has a >20 PER in his second season. i am highly optimistic.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
I have high hopes for Batum
to be as good as he was at age 19…he may not be a huge scoring threat, but he can be a versatile guy to have in-between Roy and LMA/Oden. The NBA “scout” who chats with Wheels on 95.5 said that the Blazer will miss Nic a lot more than people think, and Charlotte would’ve dealt GWallace to Portland last February if KP had put #88 in the deal. It’s just too bad Nic had to miss 5 months of his 2nd season
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Chris Bosh in lieu of LaMarcus Aldridge would solve that problem, but that's an unrealistic pipe dream.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I wish
Wish Ariza hadn’t signed so early on in FA. Looks like he would have fit in very nicely with us.
Impressed with how he is playin with Houston at the moment.
yeah. Dave, have you reconsidered your opinion that he was the most overrated offseason acquisition?
Its looking like Houston got the better end of that “trade”, at least to me.
Artest kills the rotation in the triangle. Brings a tear of joy to my eye every time.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
that, and K*be's groin injury
Oh gee what a shame…and it’s about ____ time!
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Yes and maybe
Yes in terms of he’s carrying a lot more of the team than I thought he’d be able to. Maybe because part of the “overrated” thing was people seeming to think that he was going to make a major difference in Houston’s record. They are 6-5 now which is better than I thought they might do but I need more than 11 games to judge that.
I was really impressed that Phoenix was able to go there and win today
I thought Houston would get that game.
It was close. The difference to me: Amare played defense for once. He shut down Landry and Ariza on occasion.
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Problem was for Houston
At the end problem for Houston was that Brooks played for to long with the ball in his hands. But you can see the advantage that playing big had
Aaron Brooks can sometimes do more harm than good out there.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
eh. he mails a lot of possessions in.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
you are too tough on LMA’s defense. Roy deserves the criticism for his defense, though.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
He's playing well
for sure. Would he be getting that same run on the Portland roster though? Will he be getting it once Yao comes back?
?
He would be starting for us, Batum injury or no Batum injury. He’ll be an even better fit with Houston once Yao comes back.
Have to agree with that.
At the start of the season didn’t think he was of a player but so far he has proved me wrong and if Houston can ever get a fit team together they would be pretty dangerous.
A big part of his impact
is getting 16 shots a game. That wouldn’t be happening in Portland for sure. The lane won’t be as open and the team won’t be as apt to run when Yao gets back. Ariza has some things going his way right now as far as being showcased. He’s surely fulfilling expectations and more, though.
he didn’t get 16 shots a game in LA.. He was excellent there as a complementary piece.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
His 3-point percentage was pedestrian, except for the playoffs
Artest is actually the better shooter, passer, and rebounder. So I suppose that will work for the Lakers, and Ariza is easier to handle for the Rockets.
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Ariza’s three point shooting is much improved. He also is a team player that doesn’ thurt the flow of the triangle.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
I love me some Nic. My favorite Blazer to watch.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, Trevor isn't running onto the "late bus" in his underwear
like Ron-Ron did last May
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
That's the thing though-- he showed last playoffs that he's outstanding as a complimentary player next to a star.
Now he’s showing that he can ALSO score reasonably efficiently as a go-2-guy. To have both of those abilities is extremely valuable. Houston got a great deal at the MLE for him. He’s better than Hedo.
Maybe you are on different ends of the spectrum. Dave seemed to overvalue Battier a bit in the past, and you Ariza :)
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It's not players in isolation
it’s players as they fit in terms of talents, desires, career arc, etc. Ariza is showing this year early that he may be a better player than Shane. If it keeps up he sure will be. But Battier can do everything he does in Houston in Portland as well. Ariza would not be able to exhibit everything he’s showing now were he a Blazer. Considering players in context is important.
In the context of the Blazers, Battier is too old for my likings
Nic & Co. aging with the core would be a lot better, and I’m not a big fan of veterans who aren’t that great taking away minutes from younger players.
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The Battier thing
was 1-2 years ago in the context of accelerating our growth curve and giving us a better chance in the playoffs. Now that we’re on the doorstep it’s too late to consider a taxi driver. I still think Shane would help but I’d not go out of my way to make a big trade for him anymore.
Daryl Morley's mom
didn’t raise no fools
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
He signed Steve Francis to a two year $6 million contract after Portland paid him to go away
Francis averaged 5.5 points and 3 assists in ten games before undergoing season-ending surgery and he didn’t play the next year. That’s $6 million for 10 games.
he’s basically playing great defense, shooting bunch of threes, and attacking the rim. Everything we dream of in a 3.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
Ever wonder?
Do you ever wonder what this team would play like with an ELITE coach. Someone like Phil Jackson (don’t like him but heh, can’t argue with his records)? It would be interesting to know if he or someone like him could squeeze more out of our players. The great coaches seem to be able to get a turnip to look really good.
i've been trying to think of players on jacksons team
with low bbiq…no one comes to mind.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
he never really played an integral role on that team
probably bc of the low bbiq
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
Phil Jackson
has never coached a turnip. In fact he’s gone out of his way to avoid coaching any team that wasn’t already primed to fire. He doesn’t accept turnips. He wants caviar and champagne and foot rubs and to be able to sleep with the owner’s daughter.
by Dave on Nov 17, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
it’s too bad PA doesn’t have kids…
Honor Jordan, Retire #45
by The Arkitect on Nov 17, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
I'm willing to be adopted
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i wish he would adopt me like angelina adopted maddux
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
i am available.
put in a good word for me
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
You’re not taking a great chance with either a Michael Jordan or a Kobe Bryant. Winning makes any coach look like a genius regardless of the underlying reasons for his success.
And that’s the truth.
by Trutherlizer on Nov 17, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
Uh, Phil Jackson was a winner in the CBA.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Has anyone here
ever been in a sensory deprivation tank?
What was your experience like?
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 17, 2009 10:10 PM PST reply actions
I think it was Cablinasian who once claimed he went an entire summer without watching one clip of Blazer highlights on Youtube.
IF that ain’t sensory deprivation, I don’t know what is.
My life has a superb cast, but I can't figure out the plot. --Woody Paige
by prezofdeath on Nov 17, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
nah that ain’t me. I said I watch something every day during the summer.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
there was one Bedger who did it...said watching highlights got him too amped for the season and made the offseason unbearable.
That’s….tough.
My life has a superb cast, but I can't figure out the plot. --Woody Paige
by prezofdeath on Nov 17, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
well
here is one by the hour
http://www.commongroundpdx.com/Floating.html
Or you can buy them:
http://www.i-sopod.com/floatation-tank/features
Rogen is a fan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEjTXX2rHgA
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 17, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
I haven't been on Bedge all day
does that count
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 17, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
Hi Dave,
First, just wanted to say thanks.
Second, JKSnakes and I will be at Oracle Arena on Friday.
We are gonna have a sign for a BlazersEdge shout out…Care to have any input? (We will try to hold it behind Rice)
Don’t worry, I will make sure Snakes make it VSFB “very safe for BEdge”
I <3 Mike Rice sign.
Always gets on tv
by Starvin' Marvin on Nov 17, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
or make 2 signs
cause it would be hard to know for sure when you’re on tv
by Starvin' Marvin on Nov 17, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
CPU...
he was in starwars… right?
(then Rice gets it after 3 guesses, just like the afflack questions)
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 17, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
Mke Rice uses Blazersedge
for his show prep
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Bob Akamiam (sp) said he reads Bedge on courtside tonight
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 17, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
It was kinda cool
He was about ready to interview Henry and went out of his way to mention that read True Hoop and Bedge…good stuff sir
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 17, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
I no longer say he looks like balding radio personalities
it is a promise I made….and a promise I will keep
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 17, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
That would be a good one. And MB seemed to care a lot about that.
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and i'll have a shirt with a sharpie
that says
"
I’m with
-—————> Dave "
Jksnakes will be to my left
your sign should say Haarlow>Andrews
I’m sure she’ll spot it and interview you guys.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
I <3 Dougall sign
always get on tv
lessssss go
by dougall5505 on Nov 17, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
We LOVE
signs. I know there are some in arenas. I’ve not seen one make air yet. Go down and talk to Barrett and Rice before the game. They’re nice folks.
just don't interrupt Barrett
when he’s on the air…you won’t like him when he’s mad
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I did this on Monday in Atlanta
They are truly nice people. I talked to Barrett and my family got a picture with him. I waved to Rice and he gave a big smile and waved back.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 18, 2009 6:08 AM PST up reply actions
but...but...but
if you’re at the game…who will email me the password? You can’t go…you just CAN’T!
ummmmwaaa (lips)...thanks!
hope you have a great time at the game don’t worry about us poor folk without comcast….oh wait, a KGW game! whew…
DAVE
Lord of the Rings or Star Wars?
Pancakes or Waffles?
LeBron or Kobe?
Quick or Canzano?
Marko Jaric’s wife or MJ’s new girlfriend?
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
too easy
Rings
waffles
Lebron
Quick
Jaric’s wife
RUDY > MJ
by Rudiculous on Nov 17, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
rec
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 17, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with this
except for LOTR/Star wars
by Starvin' Marvin on Nov 17, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
100%
thanks for giving all the correct answers to Dave though
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
nailed it
My life has a superb cast, but I can't figure out the plot. --Woody Paige
by prezofdeath on Nov 17, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
not bad
not bad at all.
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
If by "MJ" you mean Magic Johnson, then yes.
I’m a horrible, horrible human being.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 17, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
FLAG
(secretly recced)
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
neither
waffles
kobe
quick
wifee….what does mj’s gf even look like?
by portlandgiirl91 on Nov 17, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
mj is dating a cuban model
jaric is married to a SUPER model…
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
ohhhhhhhhh i know who his wife is!
oh god is mj’s gf 20 too?
by portlandgiirl91 on Nov 17, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
do you think we rely too much on brandon? if so should we start grooming others to have bigger offensive roles on our team late in games?
I feel like we should be spending time and give other people the opportunity to be the hero late in games rather than letting brandon do it 80% of the time and travis 19%. it was refreshing to see rudy get an opportunity, but i’d really love to see lamarcus develop that killer instinct as well.
meWOW
The key will be
learning when to rely on Brandon and when not. Sometimes we under-rely on him. In Star-Time he needs to be the guy. Other times he can lay back.
Late-game hero is a position that’s taken, not granted.
What is the fine balance between experience and throwing a guy into the fire?
With Bayless, don’t we just throw him in there to take his lumps and grow from it? I realize that we are in a stage of winning games, but there won’t be title in Portlnd this year. Westbrook was erratic and sloppy; playing time has made him a star. I fear that if we keep waiting for Bayless to turn into a veteran at midnight he’ll never get the chance to develop.
With the way Steve is playing, I see little reason to give him 40 minutes and Bayless 5.
i cry for nic
We have to find out what we have in Bayless
If Blake was lighting it up, that would be one thing. With the way he’s playing, I don’t think there’s any excuse for him to be 3rd on the team in minutes. I think its absurd.
I hope that problem will fix itself next offseason
If not, we can just as well trade B-Rex
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Townsend reports that he is meeting levels set only by James Jones and Steve Blake in practice. He’s also shown an improved stroke and shot well enough in SL and the few minutes he’s played this season.
Doesn’t he have to get minutes to prove he’s hitting consistently?
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
decision-making
knowing “when to go and when to set it up?” is the final frontier for Bayless…some combo guards never get past this stage of ninja training
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
he can’t cross the final frontier unless he gets an opportunity.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
Bayless wasn't getting it done in summer league
and from Vegas Nate said they would have to make sure they took advantage of Jerryd’s strength, which is attacking the basket…I think we’re seeing that right now
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
i'm glad nate is finally letting bayless play to his strengths
rather than adjust his game to something he currently isnt. this staff has done that a lot with our players.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
But that’s the thing, Westbrook was a crappy scorer in college and had a worse shot than Jerryd, and now he consistently gets 10 to 20 points. And learning the finer points of point-guarding a team, while Bayless learns how actual NBA players set and defend a pick. He is now way behind the learning curve of his “draft class peers”, which is sad. He needs to be out there to learn it, or they can forget him.
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I'm leaning that way myself. I think next year is THE year, this year is still about
growth and its the last year the team doesn’t have the expectation to “win it now”. They either let him learn now or never.
Watching Westbrook is tough these days. He's really good.
Durant/Westbrook/Sefalosha (yes, those are their 3 best players) are looking fantastic. That team has 3 excellent wins— winning @ SAS and @ MIA and destroying Orlando.
on the bright side, the Suns pick and their own won’t be that great. Their owner lost a huge amount of wealth and has extensions coming up. This is most of their core.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
I dunno, he's still really streaky
he looked really bad against us, and we don’t exactly have lockdown defenders. Bayless, though, is beyond being behind just his draft class peers and would probably be considered to be significantly behind the top 3 guys this year of Jennings, Flynn and Lawson who have all looked better in the early going than Jerryd did while Steve was out last year.
Why is watching Westbrook tough?
It’s not like the Blazers could have drafted him, he was drafted 4th and the Blazers had the 13th pick in that draft.
Because he got to be developed with minutes
So he feels like Bayless could be doing that if he got the same minutes.
Westbrook has a plus NBA skill
he’s an all-world offensive rebounder from the guard position
Bayless can drive, explode and draw fouls, but his disadvantage is that he plays on a contending team. If Jerryd had come to Portland back in ‘05 he’d have been given the same PT as Jarrett Jack…but now the focus is on winning, not developing young PGs
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
the Spurs developed Tony Parker in a title year.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
thinking back
how did the celtics develop rondo so quickly?
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
thats still putting a lot of trust in someone who hadnt proven himself yet
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
I remember a lot of talk if he would be able to lead a team in the playoffs, incl. from homers like Simmons
Then, he obviously did well.
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PT
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
I don't buy that
Matt Cassel figured out how to be an NFL quarterback while never starting in college. I think when Bayless gets his opportunity, he’ll be on par with his draft class peers.
Throwing Nic in the fire[deep end of the pool?] worked out ok
i would love to see Nate give Dante some burn and see what he can do with the upcoming "soft " schedule
by southern oregon on Nov 17, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
Here's the thing though
First, Nic got in there at least partly because of injuries. That’s not true of Bayless yet. Second, Nate saw something in Nic early on that tipped the balance towards him. Nate isn’t throwing anybody out there into the deep end. That’s not his style. He knew from what he saw that Batum had a chance to handle it and he did. He did not have that same confidence in Sergio and he was right there. Roy and Aldridge got in immediately. Oden was in-between. Rudy got run early. If Nate’s not playing Bayless there’s a reason. It may have to do with Jerryd. It may have to do with the situation or the team’s needs at that position. For every guy, though, it’s the same. You await your opportunity and then when you get it you go out there and PROVE you need to be playing. You don’t leave room for doubt.
+92
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 17, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
what if it isn’t a matter of Jerryd, but a matter of Nate having a love for Steve Blake’s game? You can’t really argue that Steve has been a good shooting guard this year.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
Have you ever coached an NBA team?
How can you judge whether Steve’s been a good SG, then? I just get so tired of all these posters here without NBA championship coaching experience second-guessing the best coach in the league.
/sarcasm. Just joking. I kid because I love.
but I’m always right and I disagree with you.
Paradox.
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by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
I get itchy
when things are described as “love”. Blake hasn’t been a great shooting guard most games. But he has given us a few decent games and I think he bridges the offense out there more than most give him credit for. If Nate had another option he was comfortable with I think he’d be trying it. I don’t see one right now that I’d be any more sure of than Blake except for maybe Rudy. I’m curious to see if Rudy gets more run now that he’s poked his head out of the groundhog den and declared it’s going to rain threes for six more weeks.
Now he just has to do it over and over and over and over
Then it will be groundhog day
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 17, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
Steve has been caught with the ball in his hands, having to create a shot at the end of the clock a lot in recent games. The possessions with him handling the ball are pretty wasted. He is an efficient spot-up shooter who doesn’t generate extra possessions or get to the foul line at the end of the shot clock.
He’s third on the team in minutes.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
I get more mad at him when he u-turns every fast break and passes up shots handing off the ball to Oden or Andre late in the shot clock. Those are the two worst outside shooters, and he is setting them up for failure with those “flaming bag” passes. That he misses some open looks is bad, but not that big of a systemic problem.
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Steve is getting caught
doing what a shooting guard for the Blazers does. Unfortunately he’s not that kind of shooting guard. He’s really more of an offensive small forward for Portland than an off-guard, again referencing the typical Nate-Blazer system.
he is definitely not a ballside wing… yet he ends up in that position and it plays against his strengths. It’s why I can’t understand him playing 40 minutes, even in an overtime game. He is not a good shooting guard in this system.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
Aha, the perfect response to my girlfriend
“BoB, don’t you just love these jeans on me?”
“Baby, I get itchy when things are described as ‘love’…”
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 18, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
Batum could defend anybody on the wing
Dante can only defend small PFs or less-mobile SFs..that’s what’s keeping him off the court
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
This is a debate that just goes in circles...
So many factors. I think it really depends on a)how many players are currently taking their lumps(I would argue Oden, Rudy, and even Martell fall into this category) and b) how drastically are each individuals lumps effecting the team in the W-L column. I think Rex getting consistent minutes might be the straw, so to speak. Yes he deserves a chance, it just sucks for him to have 4 guards that are definitely better than him. 5 if you want to throw Martell in their as a sg, which I don’t…
RUDY > MJ
the fact that Steve is playing bad ball and is third on the team in minutes, while Bayless barely plays… I’m not sure we can say that Steve is a better 2 than Bayless.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
You might be right
I agree wholeheartedly that Blake doesn’t deserve to be 3rd on the team in minutes played. He has a history of a certain level of success here with Nate. 40%+ from 3 both years, over a 3 to 1 assist to turnover ratio. He is a much more proven player and Nate trusts him. I don’t see why people are killing him after the last game, he did have 11 assists against 2 turnovers, and several of those assists were lobs to the rim that gave our guys gimme’s. Yes, he shot 3-11, big deal. If there is one thing Blake is good at, its shooting, his averages will come up, its only been 12 games.
I will punt on the Bayless better than Blake at the 2 spot argument, I really don’t know. It shouldn’t matter anyway, soon enough Rudy and Roy will be getting all of those minutes and the argument will shift to who is the better pg, which I think Blake wins fairly easily…
RUDY > MJ
Anyone on the floor
with Miller, Roy, LMA, and Oden HAS to be able to hit a three. Bayless hasn’t shown that consistently yet.
he shot well in college, SL, and preseason.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
I think it's a faulty arguement
Saying Bayless should be playing the 2 instead of Blake totally ignores the fact that it should be Rudy instead of Bayless or Blake.
About that Late Game Heroics
Why don’t we see more Lamarcus? It seems Lamarcus is the go to early and Brandon late.
I’ve seen Lamarcus on fire and they don’t give him the ball.
by Jeffe Portland on Nov 17, 2009 10:30 PM PST reply actions
That is true
LMA has always been the early scorer, Roy late. It’ll also probably be true in L.A. with Bynum getting looks early and Kobe late. If LaMarcus wants that role he has to demand it and then fill it. For whatever reason that’s not been the case so far. Maybe he’s happy with things the way they are. Or maybe the opportunity hasn’t come yet.
Well
I don’t really mean it becoming his role, just considered a possibility.
by Jeffe Portland on Nov 17, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
I think it is a possibility
but taking the game-winner is pretty much the hardest thing to do in sports. Some guys gravitate towards that challenge. Some guys have it happen, succeed, and then develop the taste and confidence for it. Some guys just aren’t that player even if they’re very good otherwise. I’m not sure what LaMarcus will become in that vein. But we do know that Roy is one of the best and Travis is also in line. Perhaps Rudy as well. For now that means LMA probably won’t be in that role.
Another thing to consider: LaMarcus usually takes quite a while to set up his offensive moves. That’s not the best for late-game heroics.
Larry Bird was interviewed by Dan Patrick, this afternoon
and he said that most guys will take the “big” shot when the team is up, or tied, but when their team was down by 1 they didn’t want that pressure. Bird said he’d always look for Dennis Johnson in that situation, if he didn’t have the shot himself
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Trust issues
Why does Nate have such trust issues with his rotation
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 17, 2009 10:31 PM PST reply actions
Trusting
It is juut my opinion that he is like that with new players like Dante tryin to crack the rotation.
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 17, 2009 10:41 PM PST reply actions
Most new players
will have trouble cracking any decent rotation. They have obstacles to overcome. Some coaches are known to be more rookie-friendly than others but Nate has played quite a few rooks in positions of responsibility. To me it boils down to Nate trusting some players more than others, which is his prerogative as a coach. So far it’s worked pretty well.
I think we make too much of a coach’s psychological makeup sometimes. He’s trying to win games and he’s putting in the guys who he thinks will win them.
Yeah ...I think the idea that Nate puts loyalty over wins is misplaced
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 17, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
word
i’m overly analylictical anyways,but I think Dante could score a little more than Juwan.
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 17, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
The disease of coaches
is to favor vets instinctively. The disease of fans is to favor young guys instinctively. The truth is probably in the middle. I bet Dante does get some run with Outlaw out though. After all, what we’re trying to replace is a fair amount of scoring.
I thought he gave 5 good minutes last game
even drank from the fountain of youth and got up for an and one dunk…
RUDY > MJ
he has a PER of 2.8 right now.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
Better than when he had a negative PER in Dallas
At least now he is trying to make something happen on the court
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Barea would be like CP4
Dirk would be the REAL Next Larry Bird.
It’s a shame they have to wallow in the muck and misery of Dallas :-(
Juwans Jumper
looks likeBarkleys golf swing.
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 17, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps.
Buttttt.he does this chicken wing flap when he shoots and it looks like Joe Morgan at the plate.hope thts not too old of a reference fo ya
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 17, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
I like Howard in the game with Oden
so he can shovel Greg the ball around and through the interior defense
no Greg, no Juwan. Keep it simple
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
In Nate we trust
I do respect Sarges decisions whether I agree with them or not.
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 17, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
Why Steve over Rudy if we are already conceding defense by going with a three-guard lineup?
i cry for nic
Turnovers would be my guess
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 17, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
you are talking about a difference of 1 turnover per 36 minutes
That’s not nearly enough to discount the myriad of things Rudy does better than Steve.
I don't disagree ...I want Rudy in there
but he went thru a stretch where turned it over by trying risky passes …I think that worked against him
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 17, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
he generates enough turnovers to make up for the turnovers he makes.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Did you see the little Hollinger snippet about Rudy's defense? He seemed to really like what he saw
And overall the defense does produce good numbers
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Even when it's a compliment towards out players
I am wary of Hollinger’s analysis that is done with his eyes, and not his super computer.
It was a mix of both
• One observation I left out of Monday’s Daily Dime: This was the first time I’d seen Portland play in person this season, and I was very impressed with the improvement of Rudy Fernandez on defense. His activity off the ball was far greater than I’d seen in his rookie season, and he was really disruptive in passing lanes, as well.
My spies in Portland concur that he’s improved quite a bit at that end, which is one more reason the Blazers rank a surprising third in defensive efficiency.
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Two reasons
Steve won’t get in the way of Miller or Roy but can find a comfort level with both. Also Rudy had a really rough first couple weeks of the season. Now that Rudy appears to be coming around I think he’ll encroach on Steve’s minutes.
Also
Rudy is a viable option as a score off the bench, Steve really isn’t. With trout out, I don’t see Rudy becoming a starter…
RUDY > MJ
the thing I hate is that we messed with Martell’s confidence when he was playing well by yanking him out of the starting lineup.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
agree
I liked what I saw from Web early. Lately, there is no better word to describe his offense than “spastic”. He is probably pressing and trying to do too much, but it has been ugly…
RUDY > MJ
How do you know it messed with Martell's confidence?
Maybe he’s like Miller and just sucks off the bench.
i dont mind that rudy isnt the starter
but i would hope that he is deserving of starters minutes while coming off the bench.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
Cunningham
Time to give Cunningham some real minutes and see if he’s up to going into the rotation.
After all, they specifically drafted guys in the 31 & 33 pick that had gone all the way through college so they would have enough playing experience to be able to hit the ground running.
It’s now time to play that card.
Dantes inferno
Maybe Nate sees something in practice that we don’t.Other than that ,no time like the present.
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 17, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Me too
but Dante hasn’t gotten a single minute of non-garbage-time burn this year. He might step in and show us something…ya never know. He WAS a four-year player in college so it’s not like we’ll be throwing somebody out there who will react like a deer in headlights.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 18, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
minutes
Minutes should go up for players playing well and down for players playing poorly.
That means Fernandez’ minutes should be increasing and Blake’s should be decreasing.
If Blake gets his shooting back on track, then his minutes can start going back up.
Nate talks that talk
I hope he can learn to walk that walk but lots of people think they they can do a better job than Nate,if we would just stop winning I would get off his case
by southern oregon on Nov 17, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
Generally this is true
but it happens on a gradual slope rather than instantly. Blake’s slope has been downward and Rudy’s has been upwards so I expect to see some movement. I’m not surprised it didn’t happen a week ago though.
Also keep in mind that certain players may just fit certain roles or lineups better, so the up-down thing depends on one’s teammates in some ways also.
Blakey andBroy
sittin in a tree.sorrry, old nursery ryhme came to mind.I think coach likes to keep Broy and Blake together because Blake is Broys comfort blanket
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 17, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
in theory i like it...but what are you going to do if brandon has a bad night?
play him 25 mins?
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
I read lsjogren's comment to mean "in general"
not talking about specific games. Blake has shot poorly the last few games, Rudy has been playing very well, ergo let’s see more Rudy in the three-guard lineup. I could have interpreted it wrongly though.
On another note, it kind of sucks that THIS is the year that B-Roy picked to slim down to 205 from 215 in the offseason and he’s promptly asked to defend small forwards every night. Wonder if he wishes he had the extra musculature back to take the banging a little bit better.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 18, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
Juwan
Even though in general I’d rather see young guys in the 2nd unit building up their playing experience, I think you want Juwan in there some also just so he keeps his game honed so he’s not rusty when situations come along when you need him in the game.
dante
“Maybe Nate sees something in practice that we don’t.Other than that ,no time like the present.”
Possible, but my hunch was that Nate didn’t put him in the Atlanta game because it would be too much of a trial by fire.
Aside from the Bulls the Blazers have some fairly weak opponents coming up so there will be plenty of opportunity for Nate to test the waters with Dante.
If we don’t see him in then the logical conclusion is indeed that Nate doesn’t think he’s ready.
dantes inferno
Good point,plus we do know Juwan doesn’t make as many mistakes.I hope he gets his shot.
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 17, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
Wheels and Vance were speculating today
That Nate would rather play Dante at home than on the road, at least to start out with
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Hate all you want!
cuz I’m in the top 10%*!
*of the bottom one-third of the league.
by prezofdeath on Nov 17, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
Joakim Noah and Roy Hibbert continue to be a 2 headed monster for me at C.
Probably my 2 best draft picks.
Horford has been great for us.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
In my other Yahoo league
At center, I got Duncan, Oden, Kaman, and Haywood.
Best 4 center lineup ever.
wat
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Don't wanna turn this into a FBB thread
But my other Yahoo team is stacked.
Mo Williams
Danny Granger
Andre Iguodala
Tyreke Evans
Shawn Marion
Tim Duncan
Greg Oden
Chris Kaman
Jameer Nelson (just dropped in favor of our Rudy)
Brendan Haywood
Louis Williams
Thaddeus Young
Kirk Hinrich
STACKED. Ok, enuff FBB.
NEEDS MORE MATT BONNER
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Yeah right, I wish
In that draft everyone was clued in to his 78th best player ranking last season. He went at the start of the 2nd round, no chance to get him.
Dave
What ever happened to renaming the rose garden to make some extra revenue?
Playoffs
by Blaze off on Nov 17, 2009 11:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Fantasy Video backed out
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 17, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
oh geez, I was just thinking about that today.
The Nike Rose Garden still sounds awesome.
by prezofdeath on Nov 17, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
if phil knight is involved
it’ll probably end up being named the university of oregon stadium.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
Duck Pond in the Rose Garden?
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Bayless is playing great, Blake is playing poorly
Bayless is my most surprising player. He doesn’t get the minutes but he makes the most of what he does get, and unlike Martell he doesn’t seem to be desperate to make an impact. Oden is my runner up, he’s really raised his game over the summer. Still seeing tinges of lapses in confidence, but he’s been surprisingly consistent and effective on both sides of the court so far.
Blake is disappointing me so far this year. He has made some big shots, there’s no denying it, but he’s missed some bigger shots at the very end of games. He also seems to be turning the ball over more than usual (I haven’t checked the numbers, this is just my perception). He’s also a liability on D against many of the NBA’s point guards.
I like Blake enough that I hate to bash him, but maybe he is at the productive limit of his talent level.
I love what I've seen out of Jerryd this year. Perfect.
Here’s the thing with me. I think many people see a guy doing well and ask, “Why isn’t he being allowed to do even more?” One of the important things when a guy is questionable or needs confidence is putting him in situations where he can succeed. I think this is one of the things Nate is good at. Jerryd is looking fantastic because he’s being asked to go out there and do what Jerryd does for a few minutes with the second unit. He can run, drive, draw free throws, and defend a little without disrupting the offense or having to worry too much about playmaking. This is what I assumed the Blazers would do with him in the first place. Once he’s got his legs under him then the portfolio can increase. One of the things I suspect happens is that Coach helps a player look good by playing him where he should play and not getting him in over his head but then we see just the good play and rail against the same guy that helped make it both possible and so evident. Granted sometimes a coach can bring a guy along too slowly but I’ve not been displeased in the balance with what I’ve seen from our coaching staff and how they grow our guys.
by Dave on Nov 17, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Jerryd is looking fantastic because he’s being asked to go out there and do what Jerryd does for a few minutes with the second unit. He can run, drive, draw free throws, and defend a little without disrupting the offense or having to worry too much about playmaking.
Right. Bayless is like a special team’s player on an NFL roster. Don’t think, just go. Or another analogy would be a “platoon” player in baseball. (Lethanded hitter can’t hit the curveball from a southpaw? Then only bat him against righties.) Nate is letting Jerryd do what Jerryd does best, and it’s effective…in short spurts. Will Bayless ever become "something more? On this team, it will take an injury for him to get the chance. But after his rookie contact expires, he could find more PT on another team and blossom in his mid-twenties, like Billups did
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
This is a really good point and not something I'd considered before
rec.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 18, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Hey Dave
Tell your boys to take it relatively easy on us tomorrow night. We’re tired and 0-3 on back-to-backs.
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Sweet!!!
jus kidding …good luck
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 17, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
I'm scared Will Bynum will eat our guards alive
And that Gordon will find the shooting touch he misplaced somewhere with his car keys just in time for that game
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I want the energy bars Bynum scarfs down
I don’t think he ever gets tired. He carried the team on his tiny back in the 4th tonight, but it was too little too late. He’ll get his, one way or another. Gordon’s shot at times is just an anomaly
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So, has Bynum surpassed Stuckey as the main PG now?
I got a few Piston’s fans friends here in LA who hoped it would happen, but I haven’t been able to see if it did yet…
It's back and forth really
Tonight, people want Bynum, but then Stuckey will have a good game and it’s back to square one. I wouldn’t be surprised if he winds up starting over him though.
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agree
Bayless might be the answer tonight, these guys will run circles around Blake.
or the rest of his career?
even better
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I was a big Drexler fan when he played for us.
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And lo
in the 12th game of the regular season in the year two-thousand and zero nine the Blazers did take revenge on their hated rivals in a way none would suspect. They trounced them on the second night of a back-to-back. “For almost two decades we have watched and waited!” said they. “You had forgotten, but we had not! Just when you let your guard down we struck! How did it feel? Don’t pretend it didn’t hurt! Just remember, revenge is a dish best served cold…like Steve Blake’s shooting.”
Oh man... it'll be sweet
That Jerk-Face of a franchise will NEVER get over losing a back to back on the road… it will totally demoralize their entire organization.
Oooooooh I can’t sleep now I’m too excited!!!!11
Just you wait until the L*kers come to town
I shouldn’t let the cat out of the bag, but the plan is to exact revenge for the 2000 Conference Finals by winning a jump ball from them! MWAAA HA HA HA HA HA HAAA!
We may want to wait another 5-6 years though. Let the revenge simmer. Then, in 2014… Tip! IN YOUR FACE!!!!!
Don't sell yourselves short, Dave
Think bigger… like first basket
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I want to see Greg run back the court with a dumb grin on his face pointing at nobody in particular
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fantastic
revenge is a dish best served cold…like Steve Blake’s shooting."
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
yeah butt
I thought thats why he didn’t play much.
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 17, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
why did it seem like he irritated it during the game?
lol n does he ever play much? hahha
by portlandgiirl91 on Nov 17, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
Dave
What are your feelings about the junk drawer that was your brain child? How have those feelings changed over the last year and a half?
Dave has a strict 'don't ask, don't tell' policy about the JD
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
I tend to stay out of it
As long as it doesn’t spill over. I figure you guys make of it what you will and if you’re not violating site rules people can take or leave it. It’s your chance to show what you’ve got.
In general I am happy that we’re not taking up the sidebar with 82 personal posts each day. In that sense it’s good. I worry about it becoming too intense, but again that’s your choice I suppose.
It goes in waves. There is sometimes a step back and self-reflection going on, so I think the self-regulation still works pretty well. And honestly, it’s one of the most fun parts of the site that keeps me and many others coming back way more often. Thanks for letting that run.
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Yeah, it's a big part of the site now
And I think it helps the conversation in the main areas of the site, as people get to know people better through the Junk Drawer, and then they are less likely to have bad arguments with them elsewhere.
I am positive that AK’s involvement in the Junk Drawer has made most people argue with him less and yell at him less for just stating his opinion. Once people got to know him better in the JD, people accept him more out in the main area.
And it’s not just AK… I couldn’t stand this Norsktroll fellow for a long time until he admitted in the JD that he suffers from being Euro-pean. Everything just made perfect sense after that and I stopped feeling hatred towards the guy, and just started feeling sorry for him.
agreed
the JD has made me more accepting of the newer posters…most new posters who are active on the JD tend to assimilate to the BE culture better than those who just post a ton of fanposts.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
yeah I just figured Norsk really was a troll
maybe he still is, but he’s just waiting to strike
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
I don't think the junk drawer ever gets intense, just a little bawdy.
I think we generally police ourselves pretty well. It’s the gameday threads that get intense.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
Nearly every time there's a problem in a gameday thread, someone's on it pretty quick
It’s just not in gameday real-time or anything. Sometimes they just need a heads up with a flag or a mail, because the gameday thread is just too insane to review afterward.
The gameday threads are rediculous
Even if it WASN’T bad luck for me to be in one when we play, I’d have second thoughts about hanging out there because its like listening to twelve suicide hot lines at once.
People need to relax in there.
it is insane. Extreme negativity.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
that's why we got to tip the balance
as biggie would say
“‘Cause I went from negative to positive
And it’s all…(It’s all good)”
Yup
I don’t even post in there anymore and I’m watching games by myself on my computer in Boston. It’s not fun to see people excoriating the players, the coaches, the officials and each other. Plus I have a hard time respecting people’s opinions outside of the Game Threads when I’ve read them saying crazy knee-jerk things because it’s in the heat of the moment…I know they might not ACTUALLY feel that way, but then when I read them saying something rational later, I’m all like “LOLZ YEAH RIGHT MAN I KNOW YOUR NUTS CAN’T FOOL ME”.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 18, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
is that legit?
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
i feel obligated to say
POIDH
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
lol
I thought that too.
That was my second favorite quote of last night, the first being my brother recounting a story from a while back “…and I was high, so I ate a block of ham…”
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 18, 2009 6:54 AM PST up reply actions
Amazon sez: People who read this also read
http://draftjohnwall.blogspot.com
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start a 'tankforjohnwall.blogspot.com'
blog
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
I only watched the highlight mix videos and noted that they often use spherical music
Underlines the “basketball Jesus” theme pretty well. I think he can be the next D-Wade, but he needs a fast-paced team or he is pretty useless with his crossovers and spins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4CbQGBbUOw (that tip-in dunk where he flies in after inbounding the ball to a teammate who misses a long shot is the sickest move ever for a HS point guard)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_vmAaSWXRI
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wow
stick him in D’Antoni’s system and watch out
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
OH WAIT
THE KNICKS HAVE NO CHANCE TO GET HIM
LOL KNICKS FAN
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
E-DIRK AND BAREA AWKARD CHEST BUMP
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
naw a super sumos jersey. just wait. its epic
lessssss go
by dougall5505 on Nov 18, 2009 12:44 AM PST up reply actions
TWSS
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
did you see the "kid" part?
seriously. flagged. gross.
by prezofdeath on Nov 17, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
oh
no i didn’t.
just look at the last 3 words
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
I suppose D'Antoni bangs his head every time he catches a Jennings highlight or has to watch Jordan Hill screw up something the next few years
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The flat top fade made me like Jennings last year
I had no idea he’d be dominating, of course. He seems so slight.
Wish my league pass was working so I could see how he doin’ it!
too bad you are a poor talent evaluator
us worldly folks a lot better…
he’s super quick, has the 3pt, and nice Steve Nash stop and pop…also has the tear drop nailed down
The big thing is that in Europe he learned to use picks and play defense
Now he benefits from everything that he didn’t have there: Hand-checking rules, no camping in the lane, and better wing players spacing the floor.
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How scalable is the Europe option?
Obviously some teams aren’t going to want to basically become a minor league team for the NBA. How many American HS players could realistically go to Europe to play? ~3 a year?
Depends on the country/league
Some limit the number of non-EU players pretty drastically to 2 or 3 total on the team – not just on the court at one time (Greece, Spain, also Italy and Russia). But e.g. Germany doesn’t, which in turn backfires on their national team.
Jennings actually didn’t go to the ideal team for him. He chose one that was in the race for a top spot in the league, and thus relying more on veterans. There are a number of second tier teams that have quality coaches and would surely like to have a top US prospect for a year or two.
And the D-League is starting to become another avenue besides college, but that will take some time and investment from the teams.
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considering the Knicks' roster and management
D’Antoni probably bangs his head more than Bret Michaels from Poison
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
I assume
this will get its own post tomorrow morning? It would be cool to make people aware and give Jerryd some support as he embarks on his writing career.
—Dave
Dave
Do you ever get any sass from your peers,Ziller,Pho Stan ect about the crazy amount of comments here?
by southern oregon on Nov 17, 2009 11:27 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
oh man rec
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Lots of blog envy going around
I’m betting
by undutchable on Nov 17, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
Depends
We are on friendly terms with most everyone so there’s not much sass either way. We kid sometimes. I love talking to fellow bloggers. What most people don’t know, especially when you read disparaging comments from team officials or MSM folks, is that for the most part bloggers are the nicest, most thoughtful people you could ever hope to know. Seriously…I seldom meet a blogger at this level that isn’t an incredibly stand-up person.
Do you feel bad that they get some of the banned BEdge members mucking up their gameday threads when we play them?
I assume
they can take care of them. I worry more about our own game threads. We’re going to try and ease them back on track starting tomorrow.
—Dave
The issue isn't positive vs. negative
it’s that both positive and negative too often end up leaving negative in their wake. Somebody will say something critical about the team. Somebody else steps in and takes offense that the critical thing was said and declare how annoyed they are by the negativity (which, by the way, is not at all “positive”). If the original negative guy was a troll then he’s won because that’s what he wanted. If the guy was just frustrated and being critical now he’s been attacked by someone who has taken offense at him and if he was feeling a little frustrated and negative before, now it’s escalated. Sooooo…fight fight fight, blah blah blah, Internet Squabble #52B complete with Accusation #4 and Rebuttal Q5 none of which really brings anything insightful or worth reading and all of which amps the tension up to the point where it’s no fun to participate. In my view little of this has anything to do with the team or fandom.
That said, we’re only addressing that in a general sense. There will be more specific things coming too.
What is the world coming to when Mort is the voice of reason?
by southern oregon on Nov 17, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
Agree 100%
I’ve been more concern with the “negative” as in we don’t see any type of conversation…but rather, just people screaming repeatedly and attacking the players, coaches, the of course, other posters for not agreeing etc.
I’m all for critical comments. It becomes unbearable when we see 10 post in 1 minutes on ," Nate, you suck, why are you our coach? I hate you, etc etc"
Well, you know what we mean. We either ignore the posts and continue conversing within the different post, or ask nicely that they change their approach so that new posters and old, don’t get a bad taste of BEdge.
Which often accelerates the attacks, as Nightbluefruit and I can attest to.
or ask nicely that they change their approach so that new posters and old, don’t get a bad taste of BEdge.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
That's one of those times I wish SBN had an ignore function
It seems to be low on the priority list, for various reasons I’m sure.
I don't think I like the idea of an ignore feature
I think it may make some people act worse to get a reaction while they can, before they get ignored, and some very good posters who can either be pessimists or realists will be ignored when they should be read by all.
I dont need no fancy buttons to ignore you
by southern oregon on Nov 18, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
at Southern's age...his eyes automatically ignore anything with 10 pt font
by broyposse on Nov 18, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You'll never be able to ignore me
I’M NOT AFRAID OF YOU NO MORE OLD MAN.
I’m going to sneak into your house, right after you fall asleep watching Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune, a salisbury steak dinner from Sharis sitting heavy in your belly…
That is when I shall strike… and you will know who has finally ended your reign of terror, Southern Oregon!
Tis I! Baron Von Mortimer Tiberius Q. Weathersbottomsbee the IVth!!
and gives us a schedule to let us
know which friends are less attractive depending on the day of the week
isnt that jim kirks middle name?
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 18, 2009 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
We watched the new Startrek tonight. It was cute.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
There are definitely negatives to an ignore function, no doubt.
I feel the positives would outweigh them, but I do understand why there would be trepidation.
In a lot of cases here
I think it’s better for some people to read stuff they don’t agree with.
I think people would use the ignore button for people who say bad stuff about their favorite player, lame stuff like that.
The people you’d REALLY want to ignore, the trolls, get handled quickly enough.
I can’t think of anyone I’d want to ignore… all the ones ya want to go away, get taken away.
adding 7 mods
has made me more comfortable with not having a ignore feature…the community has done a good job at weeding out trolls as well.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 18, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
But if you've been scrupulous
and someone lays into you it’s easier for the Great Thumb from the Sky to come down and lay some squishy-squishy on the offender. Very few people who are jerks without merit last long here. Some don’t get past one comment, believe it or not. But people do have to remember that mods are volunteers and have lives and an offending comment may sit there for a while before it’s seen an dealt with.
LOL
for the record, I authored that message by voice. she typed it because I was driving.
by prezofdeath on Nov 18, 2009 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
according to Tin
he text you to hang out…
the proper response is “I’m busy tonight”
versus, “we’re busy”
she was saying we were busy, so I couldn’t go.
I’m right, as usual.
by prezofdeath on Nov 18, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
I think having mods was a good innovation.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
I rarely see 4 or 5 of them. But just like with good spirits, I have to believe they are there.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
From time immemorial
if people either respond nicely or ignore such posts they stick out like sore thumbs. At that point they become easy to deal with. Most either stop making them or leave for lack of feedback. Those that are obnoxious can be banned after a couple of demonstrations. But when somebody lights a match and somebody else charges in with gasoline then we’re in survival mode.
Dave, how do you feel about up and coming bloggers such as Aaron Sass or whatever his name is?
meWOW
Okay, Dave a little different type of question.
A while ago, popular writer Chuck Klosterman talked to Bill Simmons about becoming, through twitter, biased to writing about certain topics due to feedback. Do you ever feel that it is a temptation to write about something that you know will get hits/attention/linked?
I guess, in this format, feedback is instant and inevitable. I just hope that it doesn’t (consciously or subconsciously) begin to influence what is written.
For the record, I don’t think it will. I love the site… I just don’t want it to change, a la truehoop.
i cry for nic
That's what Dave hired Ben to do...
/kidding
by broyposse on Nov 17, 2009 11:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I can honestly say
that I write whatever I’m interested in. I know certain things will get more (or different) reaction than others but that doesn’t really guide my writing much. I say what I say. There are times when I know we should write about a topic because people will want to (or need to) react to it, but that’s about the extent of it.
I do have pretty strong feelings about various forms of media and how much (or little) it compromises your integrity to participate. In my ideal world some people would cover the team factually, in the style of old-time beat writers and such, and others would offer opinion like a columnist does. I see problems when those two people become one because you really start becoming the “expert” more than the reporter. At a certain point you start writing in order to be justified or to be famous. I’ve always seen myself more on the opinion/analysis side though, so it’s somewhat easier on me. I think if a new paper appeared in town and tried to make me a beat writer I’d either have to change my style greatly or I’d have to turn them down. There’s a huge difference between “What did you see/hear?” and “What do you think?”
Every site changes. I like Truehoop then and now. Henry is an amazing person too.
I assume you would write a critical post on Nate if you felt like he was managing the team wrong?
As for TrueHoop, not sure what is going on there, but I think the “TrueHoop Network” idea has backfired a bit. And now they added a lot of additional “contributors” who basically post the stuff there that wasn’t good enough for a whole article or doesn’t fit the mainstream taste enough (too complex, to particular, etc.). Kevin Arnovitz (Clippersblog) does a phenomenal job there as Henry’s wingman, but not sure they aren’t trying to squeeze him out.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Straight up, yeah
If I thought Nate was screwing something up I’d say so. Usually it’s in the form of a question, as in, “I don’t get why X happened or what the decision was behind it” instead of “Coach sucks! Fire him!” but it’s there. If I felt Nate was not the coach for this team I’d write a post detailing why and put it front and center. That may be coming after this season or next…who knows?
I tend to avoid pinning blame on coaches and referees because that’s always the easy way out and often it’s wrong. People assume that coaches have a lot more control than they do. Besides, if you want to read that you can find it at any message board and 75% of the sports blogs out there. Right or wrong, I prefer to give people something different. And I’ve found over the years that the different usually makes more sense than the standard.
Rookie
New kid,sorry.So, I gather that the Junk drawer is where all the#*+$ talkin happens.
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 17, 2009 11:40 PM PST reply actions
The junk drawer
is where blazer fans can get together and talk about whatever the hell they want. Lots of silliness, lots of fake insults, butt loads of commenting. It has almost become a Bedge cult, but they are a very accepting group…
RUDY > MJ
until its time to drink the kool-aid muahahahhaha
lessssss go
by dougall5505 on Nov 17, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
Sweeettt
thats right up my alley,thanks
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 17, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
Tonight was Kobe's 100th game that he scored over 40 points
by portlandgiirl91 on Nov 17, 2009 11:42 PM PST reply actions
this is turning into a pseudo-JD
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Is it always this cool here?
Or did everyone have their meds today?
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 18, 2009 12:05 AM PST reply actions
I like it
I’ll have to catch up with all the inside jokes.
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 18, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
It's not too hard
You just get to know people and their personalities and then gently poke fun at them. Usually they poke fun back and then you’re your own inside joke. Don’t do Mortimer though. His uncontrollable rampant flatulence makes him really sensitive to being needled, even online.
My mom says any girl would be lucky to hear me fart :-(
I’m the handsomest boy in school who has a gastrointestinal problem, she says!
You're the handsomest boy in school period
God just gave you the intestinal problem so life would be fair for the rest of us. You won’t BELIEVE what Brad Pitt got saddled with.
by Dave on Nov 18, 2009 12:18 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
A wife that brings a new kid back home from every holiday instead of sending a card or buying a cheap souvenir?
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
And has a Billy Bob Thornton tattoo SOMEWHERE on her body
That’d be nice to look at everyday of your life.
Hey ohhhhhhhhhhh
Norsk doesn’t like Nazi-themed humor, and I can’t figure out why…
Just seems ripe for humorous enjoyment, those nutty Nazis. Just a couple of kids havin’ fun is all.
I actually had to look up
what that meant. All this time I was thinking it stood for Twilight Sure Sucks.
IT'S STILL NOT WORKING
I have it for 3 years, always watch on TV with my DVR, and when I need the Broadband version (which I’ve used with no problems before) because I’m inbetween apartments, it won’t let me in.
It’s so dumb.
Still waiting for it to be activated, though they told me it should work in 3 to 5 days. That was 2 days ago. Grumble.
I am such a tech lame I try to keep it simple stupid
So far so good this season,I was was begging for feeds last winter for about 10% less than getting every game
by southern oregon on Nov 18, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
No sweat.
Its ok I have the Flatulence Blocker on my AVG.Toolbar’
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 18, 2009 12:16 AM PST up reply actions
Gotta love it
You have to have some spirited discussions or we’d be like clones.That would be BORING!
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 18, 2009 12:14 AM PST up reply actions
Well folks,
it’s been fun. Meant to spend an hour or so, spent almost three. Thanks for the great conversation! Interesting game tomorrow. See you in the preview (up in seconds) and recap!
—Dave
Take care Dave
Thanks for all ya do again.
Good luck listening to the wife recap what she just watched in Twilight!
only 12:24AM and you're quitting?
man*up n be a tru.blogger
/fatty
kidding, see ya. it’s been fun.
by prezofdeath on Nov 18, 2009 12:25 AM PST up reply actions
Dave can be found here later http://tinychat.com/bedge ;)
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Nov 18, 2009 12:26 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks, Dave.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
Dave, I've heard you say that you think the title window isn't open yet but might be next year.
What is it that will change between now and then? Is it just experience in your opinion or is there something specific you are looking for that tells you it will be open? Winning a series?
Like always
I say it depends on Oden’s development.
I think we have the tools to be a dominant offensive ballclub, like we were last season. We’ll get it back this season… if we can keep up our very good defense, and Oden continues to develop and gets better at the not-fouling thing, it opens up when Oden is ready.
Could be next season.
I think we’ll do good damage in the playoffs this year at the very least.
This is now turned into the official BRP Live Chat!!!
Ask away…
Request for Phone Numbers will cost you
brp phone number = 267-436-5128
send that money to me. you’re welcome.
by prezofdeath on Nov 18, 2009 12:32 AM PST up reply actions
rec
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
j tv
the blzercst hd stream? ne one know how to go about getting the pw the broadcaster said memebers of BE will get it i just dont know how to go about doing so can ne one help???
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