The Bill Simmons Typo That Insulted an Entire City
By now you've surely read this Oregonlive.com interview with Bill Simmons, ESPN's Sports Guy and author of The Book of Basketball, in advance of his book tour stop in Beaverton on Thursday.
There are many, many reasons to buy this book and, having finished it last week, a full review is coming soon. To summarize: It's funny, it's thorough, it's thought- and argument-provoking, it's imaginative and it's one of the best books ever written about basketball. If you like the sport, the sport's history, books about the sport and arguing about the sport, you will almost certainly like The Book of Basketball.
However, I must vehemently disagree with one statement from that Simmons interview. And that would be...
If anybody's going to like this book it's somebody from Portland.
That's simply not true. If ANYBODY is going to like this book it's going to be someone who, like Simmons, is from Boston and/or its surrounding area. The Book of Basketball spends most of its time talking about the Celtics and major portions discussing their many rivals: the Lakers, (Philadelphia) Warriors, Knicks and Pistons.
More accurately, if anybody is going to feel like their team and franchise got snubbed or is being attacked for no reason in this book, it's somebody from Portland. Although Simmons speaks very highly of the great teamwork displayed by the 1977 and 1978 Blazers on multiple occasions, here's a partial list of things that might irk you as a Portlander or Blazers fan...
- Simmons spends nearly as much time (probably more) dissecting the 1984 NBA draft than he does the rest of the franchise's history put together.
- Only 2 Blazers -- Clyde Drexler and... Arvydas Sabonis (?) -- make his Hall of Fame Pyramid.
- Clyde Drexler is painted as a second fiddle who was destroyed by Jordan in the NBA Finals and Dream Team practices and who needed a player like Hakeem Olajuwon to give his career meaning. But that career still didn't mean much: according to Simmons, Drexler only earned his ring because Jordan went to play baseball and didn't come back in time to destroy him again.
- Arvydas Sabonis the international player is idealized while Arvydas Sabonis the Blazer is described as "lumbering up and down the court in what looked to be concrete Nikes" and ranking "just behind Artis Gilmore on the Moving Like a Mummy Scale." If you thought there wouldn't be room for a mention of his wife's DUI in a short two page profile, you'd be wrong.
- And that's about it for Blazers. It's difficult to count Bill Walton as a Blazer because Simmons leans so heavily on his personal memories of Walton's Celtics day and because he ignores -- and in some cases discounts -- every other member of the 1977 championship team. One gets the feeling that if Walton had never been a Celtic, Simmons would interpret and rate his importance to the history of the NBA much, much differently.
- Maurice Lucas is discussed as a Laker more than he is as a Blazer.
- Scottie Pippen's time in Portland earned one sentence in a profile that stretches over six pages.
- Lenny Wilkins' time in Portland as a player (or as a coach for that matter) isn't mentioned at all by Simmons in his profile.
- The Rip City era never happened. Porter is mentioned in passing, Jerome Kersey is mentioned once, Kevin Duckworth is only mentioned as a major reason why Clyde Drexler didn't win a title as a Blazer.
- Brandon Roy's knee ligaments are compared to sheets of paper.
- As you probably expected, Simmons meets his full quota of Greg Oden cheap shots.
- His big epilogue feature with Bill Walton barely touches on Walton's time with the Blazers. Instead, Simmons embarks on a self-indulgent Tupac Shakur fantasy and describes petting Walton's black cat. If you're looking for real insight into Bill Walton and his time with the Blazers, you're far better off reading this transcript of Walton's own words.
- Simmons lists Dwight Jaynes' book with Rick Adelman in the "Not Particularly Helpful" section of his bibliography and doesn't even have the decency to get the book's title right. Simmons calls it "The Long Season" when in fact the book is titled, "The Long, Hot Winter." This New York Times profile was nice enough to make the correction for him.
If that list isn't enough, Simmons makes one particularly egregious typo that is sure to induce cringes. Here's a screenshot of a paragraph from page 609, a section that describes Jordan's greatness.
Let's get a little closer, I don't quite believe my eyes.
OK, full zoom time, I am dumbfounded.
Wow. Just.... wow.
Typos happen. All. The. Time. But, man, that's a tough one to swallow. Brutal. Anyone remember those great Larry Bird-led Lakers teams? What about Bill Russell's Warriors? My favorite teams of all time had to be Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's Celtics.
In a cruel, perfect twist of fate, Simmons is planning to attend tomorrow night's game at the Rose Garden, as Portland plays host to Detroit. No doubt he is extremely excited to see Brandon Roy's Pistons host Ben Gordon's Blazers. This could turn out to be the single most confusing night of his life (crazier than Vegas, baby!). Hopefully the Blazers or Nike or someone will be there to serve as a tour guide, translating the disorienting action on the fly.
To put this all together, should we -- as Portlanders and/or rabid followers of the city's only major professional sports team -- be surprised that The Book of Basketball is lacking in Blazers information? Not really. In writing it, Simmons drew heavily on his own personal experiences growing up watching games in the Boston Garden. During his formative years, the 1980s, the Blazers were only making one trip a year to Boston and they weren't a true league power. The franchises have never met in the playoffs and crunch time matters a lot to Simmons and to his book. Also, Simmons carefully traces the NBA's early days and honors the league's first stars; the Blazers didn't exist until 40 years ago. He can't be blamed for that.
Ultimately, should we forgive Simmons for his oversight, for his incorrect statement about Portlanders loving his book more than anyone and for potentially the worst typo of all time? Yeah, probably. But if you do go to his book signing, I suggest asking him to correct and autograph page 609.
Or, you could protest loudly as he seems to fear you will. That would be funny too.
-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
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Sorry
But I seriously can’t stand the guy and would never, ever, EVER buy garbage written by him. I gag when I stumble upon his online Boston leaning writings, I sure wouldn’t pay for it.
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Nov 17, 2009 9:08 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you...
Can’t stand him.
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by rosco_blazer on Nov 17, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
Wish I could be there to throw banana peels
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by Y5k on Nov 17, 2009 5:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Great Post Ben
I won’t be reading this book, because not only am I now offended that he said “Drexler’s Pistons”, but I think he has something personal about the Blazers and he doesn’t deserve any of my money.
Red Hot and Rolling
Wow
think that typo was a mistake? I don’t. Simmons clearly hates Portland for some petty reason, or he is trying to stir up controversy from Portland fans just for the publicity. Either way, it’s bad journalism in my opinion. I’ll pass.
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
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Brilliant post, I think it’s clear that Bill doesn’t actually know anything about Portland or the team.
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by brandonmitchell on Nov 17, 2009 9:11 AM PST reply actions
Thanks Ben
I had no plans to read his book and you pretty much confirmed my bias. I figured it would be mostly Celtics, stupid lists, and smack talk. I still listen to his podcasts though.
The Rip City era?
The Porter, Kersey, Duckworth, Drexler teams of the early 90’s are considered “The Rip City era”? I wasn’t aware of that. The phrase has been used since the Blazers first season and came to be widely associated with the Blazers in the late 70’s.
I think we should go to the book signing
with signs saying “Drexler’s Pistons?”
"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman
by clinchmobb on Nov 17, 2009 9:19 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
ROFL
Ben spits hot fire! Simmons is a witty guy, but he is nothing if not formulaic. The world revolves around Boston sports, and once he has an opinion, all other facts to the contrary go out the window. He has his talent, but the more national prominence he’s gianed, the more his writing has devolved into the equivalent sports junk food – familiar, comforting, but not that filling or good for you. Of course, he’s laughing all the way to the bank, so maybe he’s crazy like a fox. Still, this was a very funny way to start the day, thanks Ben.
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Start Rudy
If you would like to learn about...
the history of the NBA – read the book. Check it out at the library when it shows up where its free (do they still have those?)
take your Blazer hats off and enjoy.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
history of the NBA as seen by Bill Simmons you mean
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 17, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Bill Simpson (sp?)
is the Homer of all Homers.
41 and 41
…forty-one and forty-one.
My life has a superb cast, but I can't figure out the plot. --Woody Paige
by prezofdeath on Nov 17, 2009 9:25 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
If that happens, I'll track Simmons down and congratulate him personally
Personally!!!!
Ok, not really, don’t get scared if your read this Simmons. Or do!
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
If you run into Simmons during his Portland visit, be sure to address him as Mr. Stein or Mr. Wojnarowski.
by MiledAnimal on Nov 17, 2009 9:42 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I'll be at the Pistons game too...
and can’t wait to see if they find Simmons in the crowd and put his mug on the big screen – and then see what the RG reaction will be – cheer? Boos?
LOL…
Let’s hope beyond hope that Oden just dominates and he writes about it on ESPN. that would be nice. :)
he wouldn't be noticed
if I had any idea what he looks like, I’d boo him without question.
by ItsMrHarris2u on Nov 17, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
That was a pretty good interview actually.
“You didn’t mention Air Bud?!”
“No, but I have a two page comparison of teen wolf to Kobe Bryant.”
Or something like that
Travis Outlaw fan from the beginning.
Greg oden could go off for 50/20/15 and simmons wouldnt mention it.. or he would and give the credit to durant "on accident"
Greg could AVERAGE that en route to ten Larry O'Brien trophies
and Simmons would still say KP made the wrong pick.
And BEdgers would still get upset about it.
Ben..did you buy that book?
If you did, I hope you kept your receipt.
Simmons doesn’t deserve my attention or money.
I hope his stay in PDX is a short one.
Bill Simmons kicked sand in my face while pouring sugar in my gas tank.
Then he cursed out my grandma.
……….the book is actually pretty good.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
the bill walton led celtics really kicked butt...
oh wait…
oh wait on the oh wait…
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
by Tofu Anonymous on Nov 17, 2009 10:04 AM PST reply actions
I don't know why Bill Simmons hates the Blazers...
Maybe it’s because they came into the Celtics’ Arena and gave them their only home loss of that fantasitic year (1985?). I don’t really care what his motives are. I think we should all just ignore him. As my mother would say, just ignore him and he’ll go away.
its slightly entertaining to think that he hates the Blazers. he wrote a book about the NBA. which half of is dedicated to individual players and how the rank in the history of the league. how many of our guys did you expect?
was he supposed to wax poetic that we were “this close” to dominating a half decade or so but could never close it out? he is very fond of the Walton-led team(s) but its not like they had NBA TV and he could watch every single game so how could he have tons of thoughts of it?
his analysis about the stats from the era w/ Oscar’s triple-double and gaudy Wilt stats are right on.
his take on us trading down to get Marty and missing out on Chris Paul is great. SPOILER: he thinks the team we ended up with is better.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Realistically, I think we have to admit that the Blazers
really don’t factor that much into basketball history. A guy who was 8 years old and living in Boston probably pretty rarely saw the 1977 Blazers play on television given that national broadcasts of NBA games were pretty rare in those days, so expecting him to wax poetic about Bobby Gross, Lionel Hollins or Johnny Davis would be a little much. While they may mean a lot to the Blazers, I’d guess their relevance to the history of the NBA barely even registers on a scale next to Alex English or Bernard King, much less guys like Wilt or Jordan.
Even Drexler, while an important player, probably wouldn’t make a list of the top 5 influential guys of any decade. Really, outside of the title, the most defining part of the Blazers history in the grand scheme of the NBA would have to be the 1984 draft, sadly.
Really, my issue is the same as NBF’s below. He’s cobbling together arguments to support his original opinions. Like declaring that the guys who get “it” and sacrifice for the team are the true greats, and then ranking Iverson as the 29th best player ever. Or declaring that Russell was better than Wilt because he won MVPs the players voted on and then stating that Rick Barry got jobbed because players refused to vote for him because they didn’t like him. So Barry was underrated because players didn’t like him, but Wilt was overrated because the players wouldn’t vote for him? I like most of his writing for the entertainment value, but he’s hardly a real analyst
Regardless, though, aside from his moronic statement about how Blazer fans would really like the book (obviously just a marketing thing), it’s clear that he just really enjoys tweaking sensitive fanbases (which we definitely are). He rips on Kobe all the time to rile Laker fans, rips on the raptors truthers, and he does the same to the Blazers fanbase. Irritating sometimes, but the vitriol posted about him here sometimes strikes me as a bit of an over the top response.
i think his quote about Portland liking the book has nothing to do with his takes on the Blazers. Portland is one of the few cities that actually know and understand NBA basketball. If Portland likes NBA basketball, they will enjoy the book.
btw, if you add of the home crowds on the road trip, anyone think it adds up to one game at the RG?
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
I think you're likely right on that.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
there were at least 8-10000 in NO and 4-5000 in Atlanta/Memphis/Charlotte/Minnesota. Far more than the RG can hold.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Probably a little bit
but it’s clearly an exaggeration to say that his books will appeal specifically to Portland fans above others. His books will always appeal to the Boston/Northeast populuation first, and everyone else second, just due to his very personal writing voice and his own experiences.
I can't believe Atlanta...
They have a good young and upcoming team that is on a big roll right now and NOBODY shows up… Amazing….
Its a crappy sports town
They didn’t sell out MLB playoff games when the Braves were good either.
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Yeah, Georgia is all about high school and college sports.
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Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Drexler's importance comes
from the fact that he was a big guard with small guard athleticism. From Magic onward big guards have been in demand and it was magic and drexler which convinced the league that you could go big in the sg,pg and sf position without losing quickness.
Maybe you can point to Magic
but I’d hardly call Drexler a guy who shifted the paradigm. Jordan (6’6", 195( was of similar build to Drexler (6’7", 210), as was Erving(6’6", 200), Havlicek (6’5", 203), Paxson(6’6", 200), Baylor (6’5", 225), etc. Sure, there were smaller guys like Dumars, or Dennis Johnson, but there were also bigger perimeter players like Worthy.
Even now, 25 years later, you have elite SGs like Roy(6’6", 215), Allen (6’5", 205), Wade (6’4", 212), Kobe (6’6", 200), or Pierce (‘66", 230) who aren’t appreciably different in size from back then, so even Drexler’s impact there would be overstated.
Sent to Bill Simmons this morning
Mr. Simmons,
You state that Portlanders will love your new book, and I have been looking forward to it for quite some time, but I cannot forgive the typo, “Drexler’s Pistons” on page 609.
This is from my new book, ‘The Dangers of Riding in the Milk Truck’; “It was great watching Bill Russell’s Delaware Destroyers beat the Albuquerque Silvers in the finals all those years.”
Unlike your book, this will never be published, but like your book, it hasn’t been proofread.
And unlike Detroit, which hasn’t had a basketball team since the Cobo Arena in 1968, Portland does, and always has had a basketball team in their designated city, and Clyde was there.
I hate you,
Graham McConnell
by Grey Home on Nov 17, 2009 10:13 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Nice rip - though I must point out your own typo in the interest of good proofreading.
The Pistons played at Cobo until 19Seventy8.
Don’t worry, Simmons won’t bother factchecking anything.
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 17, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
3 words
What. A. Douche.
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Nov 17, 2009 10:17 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
though if we're really splitting hairs, from Wiki:
During the 1984–85 season, the Silverdome’s roof collapsed, causing the team to temporarily relocate back to Joe Louis Arena (for 15 home games) and Cobo Arena (for one game).
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 17, 2009 10:18 AM PST reply actions
sorry, that was meant to be an additional reply to Grey Home.
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 17, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
lol wut
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Ben, thanks so much for this piece. You put voice to what the real problem with Simmons is—namely, that he will never be rigorous or driven enough to be the writer he imagines himself to be. In a way, it’s almost sad to witness the gap between his opinion of his work and the quality of the work he actually produces. Yes, Bill, you wrote a seven-hundred page book on basketball. But the amount of research you put into the book supports maybe three-hundred of those pages. I am convinced that I could turn my basketball opinions into four-hundred pages as well (and if anyone doubts that, please check out my fanpost history), but I would at least have the decency to recognize those opinions as fallible. Simmons seems to take his own subjective judgments to be the only truth—and that is a frightening thing for the future of Drexler’s Pistons.
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 17, 2009 10:27 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
To be fair he did spend at least 1 full year researching and writing it, maybe more
That he might not be that good of a researcher (despite the help he can probably rely on from the ESPN stats and archive guys as well as the Elias Sports Bureau) stands on another page.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
I understand that he “spent time” researching the book, but it seems from my initial reading (certainly not every word in the book) that he treats the research as a means by which he refuses to allow anyone to question his conclusions, rather than the basis on which those conclusions are drawn. I don’t know if this is a case of not doing enough research (which I don’t think it is), not being a good researcher (this is probably true), or ultimately not knowing what to do with the research one has done (this is what I think is the biggest culprit).
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 17, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
one thing that I’ve in the past is that Simmons struggles with confirmation bias. When he does look at the past, he uses it as a window to support his current opinions rather than allowing the data to forge new ideas.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
That is a good point. He always seems to find data that confirms Pierce is the pillar of the earth, Oden is a bust, and Durant is a god
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
he does mention in the book that he can’t judge Oden yet because he’d been hurt and he finished the book last year. if there’s a sequel in 10 years and Oden has 2+ championships and Durant has 0, he’ll be the first one to change his mind. seeing Oden up close is different than looking at a boxscore and seeing 12, 10 and 3 blocks.
i’m very curious to see what he says after his visit.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
It's always "gracious" to admit your wrong - its also easy in the sports world
because you have no choice.
It’s harder to give respect before you are forced to, and even harder to be right predicting anything.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 17, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
He does tend to do that a lot, but his opinions aren't set in stone.
I think he’s just one of those guys who needs to have extensive proof that one of his opinions is wrong before he changes it.
It’s not like if Durant were injured tomorrow and couldn’t play again, and Oden started averaging 20-10-5 a game, that Simmons would still be saying the Blazers made the wrong pick.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
if Simmons does say he’s wrong, it’ll be a backhanded compliment disguised by a pop culture reference.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
aren’t those the best kind of compliments though?
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
as NBF says below, Simmons is different. He acts as if he is absolutely right with absolute knowledge. If he writes something wrong, he either ignores it or acts as if it is an absolute shock to everyone on planet earth that, say, Oden became good. NO ONE could see it coming, so how could the world’s smartest writer, Bill Simmons?
i cry for nic
So just because he says something with conviction, you take it to mean he thinks he’s never wrong?
Just about every sports writer in America thinks they’re right at the moment that they write about something. That’s the thing. We’re not talking about discussion here. We’re talking about a one-way transfer of information, from the writer to the reader. As such, if someone ends up being wrong about something, there’s hardly anything that can be done in the first article to correct this. You might not like the tone in which the information and opinions are given. If that’s the case, it’s not at all necessary to read what they’re saying.
As for him never admitting when he’s wrong, I’ve found he does it about as often as your average sportswriter. Only when it is overwhelmingly pointed out to a writer, especially a column or sports writer, will they actually write a later article pointing out their error. Why should Simmons be any different?
And I know that this isn’t the point of what you were saying, but if Oden does end up being excellent, I hardly think it will be glossed over in future columns. Not to mention the “no one saw it coming” argument would be right out. Sure, he might not write a 5,000 word column on how he was wrong. It would probably be little notes in various places about how he wasn’t right that time.
Again, if that’s not your thing, you don’t have to read it. I’m just saying that he’s not that much different from any other sports columnist other than I happen to think he’s more talented than most and he has a higher readership than most.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
But he’s always right in the moment he speaks. He never actually makes any mistakes because whatever he decides is right until further evidence. It has nothing to do with admitting you’re wrong—it would take a real hard-headed dude to claim that Darko really was as good as wade, for example. It’s the fact that whatever he thinks is the concrete truth with no room for debate, barring future developments.
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 17, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
When he is wrong
He makes it like everyone else is silly for taking it so seriously, after he says outlandish flippant remarks about players and what they’ll become— like Lebron being a bust, the Magic fools for taking Howard, etc.
He admits he was wrong, but trivializes it by saying we’re the dumb ones for even wanting an apology.
If he didn’t try to be taken seriously like he was some sort of expert, it’d be different. To me, he USED to be a fun writer, and I enjoyed his NBA stuff. Now it seems like he really believes he is some sort of expert whose word is law.
It’s just weird… he can be funny enough, but he knows what he is doing when he says his stupid stuff… making it worse.
Mortimer
On the plus side, it looks like he gets one more
to take back with his most recent draft diary.
“5:36: Simmons on Jennings: “Is there a way I can bet on his being back in Italy within five years?”"
i like bill simmons as an author
but any time he talks about the blazers i skip to the next page, he hates the blazers, its easy to see why everybody on the east coast hates boston, and their sports fans.
This is easy
Wherever he is appearing, take alone a picture of that “Drexler’s Pistons” thing and a $20 bill. Show the clip to whoever is introducing him, slip him the 20, and suggest, “Tonight the guy’s first name is Richard.”
—Dave
by Dave on Nov 17, 2009 10:29 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Tell me if I'm wrong...
… But I think that the city of Portland was one toss away to be called “Boston”, right?
(sorry for my english)
I like basketball and from time to time Bill Simmons is still funny ... and yet
I have no desire to buy this book and feel confident that I am missing nothing by making this decision.
Blazer Fan
Ugh.......I hate to echo that sentiment......but it's true.
As great as Drexler was, he simply came along at the wrong time in basketball history. Any other era, and he would’ve had a legit chance at not being second fiddle in the NBA.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
i'm not convinced of that
Drexler had the team, athletic ability, and the opportunity to win a ring, but never had the work ethic. Drexler + Work Ethic + Sabas = no MJ era IMO. Sure MJ may have won some rings, but I’m sure PA would have had to fork over some cash to make a bigger trophy case in the practice facility back in the day.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
I'm sorry, but I can't at all agree with you.
Drexler took plays and games off, that much is true. But are you telling me he was being lazy in the ‘92 Finals, or wasn’t playing to his potential?
Sure, if Sabonis had been around, the Blazers probably win the title in 1990 and maybe in 91 also. But by 1992 it was pretty clear that Jordan had reached a level that no one in the game could match. Drexler was athletic, but he didn’t have the drive to win that Jordan did. That’s something you’re born with. That, more than anything else, is exactly why Drexler was second fiddle his entire career.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
jordan wouldl have still been the best individual player
i’m not going to doubt that, but at the same time i would have to believe that we’d be challenging for more titles and would have had some brass to show for it as well. Part of MJs legacy was his 2×3peat. I would have to believe that we might have cracked the bulls at least once out of the first series of 3 peats.
i do not know if drexler was being lazy or not in 92…but his poor work ethic is documented, and in that era we were not privileged to watching all 82 games or getting constant feedback on our team and its player. i’m going to believe that drexler played to the best of his ability in the 92 finals…but there is more to preparing than just playing during the games…preparation is also a big factor. I’m sure hedo turkuglu plays hard while hes in a game, but i would think eating his daily pizza and not working out is detrimental to his performance the same way that drexlers poor work ethic is detrimental to his on court performance as well.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 17, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Not to mention that Drexler was hampered in the Finals that year with a gimpy knee
He had to have fluid drained after every game because of an injury sustained in the WCF
Blazers win!
I concur--on that single point
No knock on Drexler, really. Jordan was a very special player—a unique combination of mental & physical qualities.
Even given that, he didn’t win a thing until the Bulls got Pippen and Horace Grant to complement him. Had the Blazers gotten a younger Sabonis to complement Drexler, Kersey, Porter, & Buck, there would have been no Bulls dynasty.
As I’m always repeating: basketball is a team game (quiet as it’s kept).
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
Jordan is the most
over-hyped individual ever.
Yea he may be the greatest of all time, but even that should have its limits. Lebron trying to get everyone in the league to retire 23? What the heck did Jordan add to the game of basketball? Oscar Robertson, Bill Russel, Wilt Chamberlain, Shaq, John Stockton, Magic, Larry Bird, freaking Dennis Rodman changed the face of basketball more than Jordan did.
Yea Jordan was really good, but to put him on a different pedestal above all of those players is ridiculous. He may be the greatest, but he didn’t do crap for us, or the league in general, so why should we retire his jersey number? In the idea that no one else in the league will ever play as well as he did? That’s some bull right there (pun kind of intended). Marketing is what built the Jordan Brand, without that he’s an amazing player, but not so much more than those that came before him, and certainly not so much more than those that are coming after.
You're saying that they look like they're giving it their all. And you know why they look that way? Because they're bad, and it literally takes them the maximum physical effort to accomplish basic baseball tasks like throwing the ball from short to first. When David Eckstein throws the ball to first base, he has to wind up like a shot-putter, spin around forty-three times, and launch it at an angle 89 degrees from the horizontal. Afterwards, he undergoes an IV drip for a fortnight and he's so out of breath that he requires several months of acupuncture to regain the power of speech. For this we laud him. -Junior of Deadspin on 'scrappy' players
by TheOdenator on Nov 17, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
We need some perspective
I am a Blazer homer, however I cannot find much that is innaccurate in the list of Blazer-related bullet points you have pulled from the book. From a national POV, Sabonis did lumber up the floor, Pippen will always be associated with the Bulls, and Drexler was a tier-2 star, cleary second fiddle to Jordan. And Bowie was a bad pick. I leaned towards Durant in the draft, but love Oden and think he will have a solid career but Durant will be a superstar. I don’t think Simmons disagrees with that.
Simmons is not a Portlander and therefore is not going to make his focus on a franchise that has done little outside of one championship. I cannot fault him for that, especially considering he grew up attending Celtics’ games during the Bird era.
He is also probably a bit mad that the Blazers accounted for the Celt’s one home loss in ’86 (I think I have the year right). Was that in the book?
I think the point is as a Blazer fan why buy the book unless you like reading about the NBA from an East-Coastish point of view
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 17, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Some one above
made the point that we also love basketball, and as a basketball book it’s a pretty good read. Ben appears to support that.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
Why watch the NBA, period, or sports in general?
Everything is about East coast bias… always has been, probably always will be.
Nope
“I leaned towards Durant in the draft, but love Oden and think he will have a solid career but Durant will be a superstar. I don’t think Simmons disagrees with that.”
Uh, yeah he would. Not about Durant being a superstar (he thinks he’s basically the next Lebron/Jordan/Kobe, etc), but about Oden having a solid career.
Everything i’ve seen him write about Oden leads me to believe he’s going to be complete garbage until the day he retires. I don’t think he’s given him an ounce of credit, ever. It’s just degrade degrade degrade, etc.
His "typos" are similar to those of FOX News...
Every time they show a Republican who has made the news for behaving badly (a stretch, I know), they put a “D” next to their name, rather than the more appropriate “R”… Typo, my arse…
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
or ESPNEWS when they say Trail Blazers F Zach Randolph breaks Memphis C Hasheem Thabeet’s jaw.
Right…
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Nov 17, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah 2001-2007 called and told ESPN to get their stuff straight.
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Nov 17, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
The issue with Simmons is that he tries to have it both ways; while he wants to be taken seriously in the media, he takes cheap shots, notably at Oden and Mike Dunleavy. A credentialed media member would never refer to a team’s coach as “Dumbleavy,” even on twitter.
Even in trying to be a respected member of the media, he doesn’t have the attention to detail to make his writing accurate or the humility to admit inaccuracy. Chuck Klosterman was right to call him out on his juvenile mindset.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 10:47 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
when has he ever said he wants to be taken seriously? i’ve always thought he’s tried to be more fan than journalist. pretty sure he doesn’t ever want to be a credentialed media member because he’d turn into every other beat reporter that has to watch what he says.
And Dunleavy is fairly terrible. a game the other night, he subbed in Novak for the last play. he was standing in front of the other teams bench and they were all laughing w/ him as he just stood there and Baron threw the ball to Kaman and he had some atrocious turnover. game over. strategy at its best.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Yeah, the Klosterman podcast
was particularly revealing, especially when Chuck brought up the point that Bill Simmons has essentially become the guy so dominant in his media that it prevents similar writers from taking hold just like Bill Simmons hit a perceived ceiling with the potential to get a column at the Globe with the guys ahead of him while Simmons was basically denying it.
I essentially compare it to a situation he discussed in a different podcast, though, with Patton Oswalt, about how Steve Martin and Dave Chappelle quit standup because no matter how good their stuff was, people would love it and it was driving them insane because nothing they did mattered any more.
Now, I like Bill Simmons as a writer, but if he hasn’t realized that he’s gotten to a point where no matter how much he half-asses a column that most of his readership will love it, he’s pretty oblivious. I think this complete lack of accountability or performance review is starting to hurt his writing given that now he always gets so much positive feedback about anything he writes that there’s almost no reason to ever re-examine a point of view. It’s a sad state of affairs, but it is what it is.
exactly
he’s talked about that. which is why he doesn’t write his usual column for ESPN Mag anymore. he said he wants to only write when something interests him (or it involves gambling). Kornheiser recently did the same thing at the WP. i’m pretty sure i’d stop writing also if i had a podcast that a quadrillion people listened to. less effort, more timely. if he only writes NBA Draft diaries, i’d be happy.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
actually, he was very dodgy in the Klosterman podcast. He was squirming when Chuck started to move in for the kill with his thoughts on the feedback from twitter making Bill’s writing more predictable. Bill never admitted anything. He gave a few half-hearted tries to say he was right and then changed the subject.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 17, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
ha ha. he does the same thing w/ Malcolm Gladwell. he’s knows CK is crazy smart and looks at things differently then most people that ask him questions. CK always seems to be psycho-analyzing him and i’m not sure that’s most comfortable seat to be in for him.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
His retirement
from his magazine column is in no way analogous to Steve Martin quitting standup. Simmons simply didn’t like the limiting format of early deadlines and word restrictions that came with writing magazine columns instead of online articles/books. He’s still doing the exact same thing, just in a different venue.
Steve Martin was a guy who got to the point where literally anything he did people laughed at, and that bugged him enough to give it up. Bill Simmons is at that point where people will agree with anything he writes and send him e-mails and tweets telling him how right he is, and he has no issue with it as of yet.
i’m still confused to this day how Steve Martin is funny. but that’s besides the point.
that’s why i say he’s a fan of Portland. we’re one of the few fan bases that actually cares enough to let him know what we think. most places just nod their heads and move along.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
root cause revealed
stoking the fire to keep his interest up
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 17, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
arguments are more fun when the other person is intelligent and might actually teach me something.
it’s boring to argue w/ someone who doesnt care, is ignorant or just agrees with everything i say.
he comes across to me in the same way.
Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton
Portland disagreeing with him
helps him feel alive
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 17, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
He was right about Drexler
and Drexler knew it. As much as I liked Drexler as a player, you could tell when he got that “I’m as good as MJ” look in his eye and started tossing up long distance clankers late in close games. Used to drive me nuts.
As an--at the time--Bay Area resident & Blazer fan, I LOVED Clyde in crunch time
He’d reliably put his head down and start jacking up long, contested, line-drive jumpers.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
That was the one thing that drove me crazy about Drexler
to the point that I was never a fan of his during that era. (and still not a fan to this day) I always used to wonder why TP would even give him the ball when TP was much more clutch and makes better decisions down the stretch.
While I warmed up to Duck after his playing days are over, Clyde still strikes me as someone that doesn’t know as much about basketball as his positions (head coach, basketball commentator) dictate. Much like SImmons who poses as an NBA expert when he has no clue whatsoever. He’s Rick Reilly without the class and the vocabulary.
Me too.
I was a huge Blazer fan but was never at all enthralled with Drexler. I hated all his “long, contested, line-derive jumpers” as stated above which so often would lead to long rebounds and fast break points for the opposition. Porter was the clutch player on that team and the one I always wanted to see with the ball at crunch time. I celebrated when we traded Drexler away.
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Also: COMCAST SUCKS!
The old guy who got me interested in the Blazers
…was a plank-owner Blazer fan from 1970. He absolutely could not stand Drexler and loved Porter and Kersey. He felt like you do, that Drexler always put his head down and took line drive jumpers with the game on the line. Or disappeared.
Not having watched the Blazers back then, I don’t have much of an opinion on it.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
I’ll buy the book and get it signed on Thursday.
Simmons is from the east coast. If there’s one thing Oregonian’s don’t relate to well it’s unapolgetic, in your face, brash humor and criticism from our sports writers. Canzano is about as close as we get to genuine ranting and I don’t really like the guy. We’re generally nice people here in Portland. We forgive and forget bad Blazers seasons. We can do the whole “maybe next year” thing. Folks over there hold grudges, call their players bums, and generally expect greatness every year. By “over there” I’m talking about Boston, one of America’s sports meccas. Home of 17 championship NBA seasons.
We’re a one sport town. There’s no Red Sox, Patriots or Bruins here. In our little world all we know is the Portland Trail Blazers way out here on the “left coast” as they call it. So I’m not surprised that he barely mentions us. He’s probably right about Drexler. If Jordan didn’t play baseball he might have 8 rings right now. But that’s not a painful thing to hear is it? We did very well in the early 90s. But the Portland Trail Blazers aren’t exactly a storied franchise with a rich history of success at the top. All we have to hang our hats on is a championship 32 years ago and mixed playoff success since. Our rival, the Lakers, are MUCH bigger rivals with the Celtics. It’s not even close. He just doesn’t have a whole lot of reason to write about us. We made some noise for 3 seasons in the 90s and then basically vanished.
Over Drexler’s 10 year career he had:
7 First Round Eliminations
1 Second Round Elimination
1 Conference Finals Elimination (90/91)
2 NBA Finals Eliminations (89/90 and 91/92)
That’s a pretty decent career as a Blazer. But we did get knocked out of the playoffs in the first round for 70% of Clyde’s tenure here. We have one single championship from 32 years ago. A championship that we claimed one single season after not even making the playoffs the year before. Not calling it a fluke but it’s not exactly like the Blazers were a powerhouse in the 70s. We were the NBA’s darlings for one year.
(As a personal note I know full well that our team’s history is far richer than Simmons gives proper credit for. But bear in mind where he’s from and what IMPACT our club has made on the NBA as a whole since 1977.)
But more than anything else I like Bill Simmons because he’s Bill Simmons. He doesn’t write for ESPN exclusively. He writes for Bill Simmons. He’s big enough that he can say whatever he wants with minimal supervision. When you’re interested in self promotion sometimes a writer is able to express his opinion more clearly and honestly. I like that his personality comes out in everything he writes. You can agree or disagree with what he says but he’s a very, very smart man and knows basketball. I’m always willing to hear someone else’s story. Particularly when it’s biased from his own history. I figure I’ll have something to learn from the “right coast” perspective in his book.
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
exactly.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
Ugh...
“You can agree or disagree.”
That’s what many are doing here: disagreeing. He knows a lot about sports the same way Sean Hannity knows a lot about politics. He has a strong bias and has deep knowledge in a particular area. Fair enough. But Hannity isn’t right about a lot of things and neither is Simmons.
To sell this as “THE” Book of Basketball, a 700+ page manifesto about professional basketball, is a joke. His research is sloppy and only used when it can support the preconceived notions he has crafted. His book about the Red Sox championship was actually fantastic in contrast. The problem is that he took on a subject that was too big for himself. He’s got a cult of personality that will sell the thing (good for him) but this book will age very quickly.
If you love it, that’s fine. But I disagree both on the quality of the book and the knowledge of the person who wrote it. If I want to get in a discussion about the Celts, I’ll talk to him. Any other team? He has shown that he will only dig deep enough to get in his requisite jabs. The game of basketball? No way. This is not The Book of Basketball. Not by a long shot.
Feel free to agree or disagree though…
So what?
By the way, his book is called “The Book of Basketball: The NBA According to The Sports Guy”
Instead of just “The Book of Basketball” which sounds a lot more wrong doesn’t it?
Talk about using throwing together misinformation in an effort to push preconceived notions. But I respect your right to not purchase his book and hate on Simmons himself. Though it is odd that he’s one of ESPN’s biggest names in sports writing don’t you think? Hmm. I wonder how he got the job. Probably by doing sloppy research and just throwing around ideas! Makes sense. I gotcha.
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
Thank you.
I agree with everything you said here. People know about his history as a Boston sports fan, and yet, they’re shocked and appalled when the guy doesn’t get everything right when it comes to basketball.
He is who he is: a humorous and often well-put writer whose passion for the game comes through in his writing. That he recently put out a 750-page book on the NBA (when most of the top sports writers focus on football and baseball) is a good thing for basketball fans.
Thanks for the review
maybe I’ll pick it up.
I’m not going to rip on him for a typo, although it’s funny. I’m not going to rip on him for not putting my city with one championship up on a pedestal. I’ll appreciate his book and understand that he loves his Celtics as much as we love our Blazers and that influences his book and writing much like us writing a book would be influenced by our love.
If this was Blazer centric we’d be cheering it on. Really, this is a lot to do about nothing. The Bullet points read as correct to me, for the most part.
I disagree about the blazers going 41-41 this year, but his logic for it makes sense. We over achieved one year, why not come down to earth the next? It’s hard to sustain high level of play particularly when that level of play is your 100% and not 80% like the Lakers or Spurs over the years.
I’m not always a fan of his writing, but I think it’s cool that he’s here to watch a game and I almost want to read this because so many turn their nose up at it. Plus Ben said it was good.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
During his formative years, the 1980s, the Blazers were only making one trip a year to Boston and they weren’t a true league power
This explains much. Bill is probably still bitter about the young Blazer team (Drexler, Kersey, etc) who came into the Gahden and spoiled the Celtic’s perfect home record
That game was replayed on Comcast this summer, it was nice to see Sam Bowie “in action” again, after all of these years
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Nov 17, 2009 11:15 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
That was the night of my 20th B-Day party
My ‘surprise party’ quickly turned into a group of guys watching the Blazers beat the Celtics and some girls trying to carry on conversations in the next room (less yelling and cheering there)…..
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
I expect this to be printed on the cover.
.
.“Bill…Simmons speaks…the..tr…u…th.” -Ben Golliver, BlazersEdge.
.
.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
By the way
Just a side note, I love the fact that he had Malcolm Gladwell write the intro, he had to get an economist to say that BS knew basketball. That’s like getting Barkely to write an intro to my economics book.
I went to Powells looking specifically to buy this book, but the first thing I opened the book up to was ‘what if the Blazers had drafted Durant instead of Oden?’. And the second was the Jordan hero worship. And realized this book would just kind of piss me off. And so instead bought the new WOT book (don’t judge I got hooked when I was like 12).
You're saying that they look like they're giving it their all. And you know why they look that way? Because they're bad, and it literally takes them the maximum physical effort to accomplish basic baseball tasks like throwing the ball from short to first. When David Eckstein throws the ball to first base, he has to wind up like a shot-putter, spin around forty-three times, and launch it at an angle 89 degrees from the horizontal. Afterwards, he undergoes an IV drip for a fortnight and he's so out of breath that he requires several months of acupuncture to regain the power of speech. For this we laud him. -Junior of Deadspin on 'scrappy' players
I'm planning on reading it
Everyone says it’s the best in a long time.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
WOT 12 that is
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
It is awesome!
The new writer does a lot of clean-up which really needed to happen. Even though the opening reads weirdly, the new writer really picks up on Jordan’s writing really quickly. I really enjoyed it.
You're saying that they look like they're giving it their all. And you know why they look that way? Because they're bad, and it literally takes them the maximum physical effort to accomplish basic baseball tasks like throwing the ball from short to first. When David Eckstein throws the ball to first base, he has to wind up like a shot-putter, spin around forty-three times, and launch it at an angle 89 degrees from the horizontal. Afterwards, he undergoes an IV drip for a fortnight and he's so out of breath that he requires several months of acupuncture to regain the power of speech. For this we laud him. -Junior of Deadspin on 'scrappy' players
Malcolm Gladwell
is a sociologist for the masses (not an economist).
Someone should aggregate all the GO slights that Simmons has made over the last 2+ years
and show Greg (assuming he hasn’t read/heard half of them). Then tell Greg that Simmons will be in attendance at the Pistons game.
I’d expect to see a 30/15/10 game (ok not really, but its still good motivation).
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
His "Portland" stop is actually in Beaverton...at Border's, no less...
Typical Simmons…
A REAL author would have set up at Powell’s…you know…the one in Portland???
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
Eh, it’s close enough to Portland. I think that Borders book store is like 1-2 miles at most from the Portland city limits.
I love how people are getting all riled up about it though. Works for me! I live out on 185th.
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
I made this point last year
but people like to be riled up.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
I am a huge Simmons fan...
I read all his posts and listen to his podcasts religiously. That being said, the “Drexler’s Pistons” typo makes me ill. I am sure he will come clean in an upcoming mailbag, but it’s still inexcusable. I need to go take a shower, I feel used.
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Portland vs. Boston in the finals. Portland wins. Simmons has to be rescued from the top of the Hancock tower…
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so uh...
who’s handing out the pitchforks and torches?
and where we meeting?
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by faith on Nov 17, 2009 12:27 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I can picture it now
“He will curse the day that he was ever born a Frankenstein Simmons!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw5pmDgWMaU
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
I don't take this personally but I sure think its funny as hell!
Oh god, please, everyone go to that signing and ask him to autograph that page. UNDERLINE IT. Just for the look on his face. Then take a picture and post it on here for all of us to see.
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by Claire on Nov 17, 2009 12:57 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Oden should come find Simmons before the game
Scare the crap out of him and act like he’s going to pound his face into the seat he’s sitting in. Simmons is kind of a puss, once he pees his pants, Oden can give him an Oden grin. Someone please film it. Thanks.
It should be noted that he has acknowledged the "Drexler's Pistons" error,
along with many others, so no one will be catching him by surprise. http://sportsguy.blogspot.com/
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Nov 17, 2009 2:07 PM PST reply actions
Read it and enjoyed large portions of it
I especially enjoyed the comparison of Kobe to Teen Wolf…..
But I missed “Drexler’s Pistons” – sure hope that the typo gets pointed out at the signing…..
Folks – it’s a book, not a declaration of war. You don’t have to agree with all of Simmons’ conclusions (I certainly don’t) to enjoy the spirit of the book. Does he gush on the Celtics too much? Of course he does. I wouldn’t expect any different. When Dave writes his book, I fully expect that the Blazers will get a disproportionate percentage of focus, which will help bring balance to the literary scheme.
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Nov 17, 2009 2:12 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Yea but would Dave title his book
“The Book of Basketball” and then write close to exclusively on the NW division?
You're saying that they look like they're giving it their all. And you know why they look that way? Because they're bad, and it literally takes them the maximum physical effort to accomplish basic baseball tasks like throwing the ball from short to first. When David Eckstein throws the ball to first base, he has to wind up like a shot-putter, spin around forty-three times, and launch it at an angle 89 degrees from the horizontal. Afterwards, he undergoes an IV drip for a fortnight and he's so out of breath that he requires several months of acupuncture to regain the power of speech. For this we laud him. -Junior of Deadspin on 'scrappy' players
Mein Kampf was just a book too.
Just sayin’.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
by Arby on Nov 17, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LA
“I worry about Portland a little because it’s a league where you’re only as good as your three best guys. They’re paying LaMarcus Aldridge as the second best guy. The question is can he be the second best guy on a team that wins the title. I personally don’t think so.”
by ODEN on a stick on Nov 17, 2009 2:56 PM PST reply actions
"Drexler's" Pistons
We play Detroit tomorrow, and Bill’s gonna be there at the Rose Garden? Someone who’s going and is reading this HAS to take advantage of this chance.
Yeah
I wish I had tickets. I would definitely put that sign together.
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by Y5k on Nov 17, 2009 5:19 PM PST via mobile reply actions
http://sportsguy.blogspot.com/
it’s acknowledged in this blog.
Travis Outlaw fan from the beginning.
Bill,
I will not be buying your book because you bored me, and I quit reading you years ago.
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by Y5k on Nov 17, 2009 6:41 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Profanity
Since profanity is not allowed here, I can’t say what I really think of Simmons or his book.
I bought the book
I like the Simmons articles and podcasts.
But jesus, it was such a boston-fanboy masturbatory exercise that I was shocked it wasn’t getting raked over the coals. The ’68 Celtics, the greatest team of all time? This is after several pages discussing why he downgraded older-era teams (like the ’67 Philly teams). I was incredulous
M, period. Fresh, comma.
Drexler's Pistons? one word:
FAIL
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 17, 2009 7:40 PM PST reply actions
This was a terrific book. Yeah I cringed at a few of his Blazer slams and yes he is biased towards the Celtics but I think it’s wrong to accuse him of writing a “Celtic book”. Lots of great stuff that I never realized before (and I have read a lot of basketball books), and interesting takes on a variety of issues.
One section was on his best "What if’ scenarios in basketball where he theorizes what would have happened if something turned out differently. I think an interesting “What if” would have been “What if the Blazers didn’t choke away game 7 of the WCF?” In my opinion, this would have probably caused LA to get rid of one of their stars, and it would have had a profound impact on many franchises that were thwarted by Lakers’ early 2000’s dynasty.
P.S. – Whiners, get over your insecurities (when you have Portland’s history of selecting injured and/or bust centers with the #1 pick in the draft, you deserve to get teased for it). That or go join your brethren Jazz fans.
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by The Cactus Leaguer on Nov 17, 2009 9:15 PM PST reply actions
The excerpts on ESPN killed any chance of me reading it
Just seemed like sloppy ramblings from an exceptionally long, disjointed column. Frankly, it seemed amateurish and desperately in need of an editor. I used to be a big fan, but I rarely read his stuff anymore. I don’t know if I’m just getting bored with his style (the reports above of even more Teen Wolf references in the book seem too lame to possibly be true), or if he’s mailing it in. I don’t mind him offering blunt opinions with not much backing-that’s the stock in trade of talk radio hosts and opinion columnists all over the country, and it seems silly to take it personally. Of course he doesn’t know as much about Portland as a Blazer fan does-why should he? It doesn’t make me appreciate my memories of ‘77 anymore to know that Bill Simmons liked them (in retrospect), just like it doesn’t decrease my pleasant memories of the Drexler teams to read the shocking contention that Jordan was better than Clyde. Simmons brings the fan perspective to his writing, and sometimes fans are blowhards.
You know what's really embarasing about Bill Simmons, he thinks people take hims seriously. He is an insult to
sports journalists. David Halberstam would be rolling over in his grave if he heard the things this clown says.
He is still butt hurt from the Celtics 1985-86 season
I bet he was at the only game they lost in the BG that year. It was against us and it was a double digit win and he hasn’t forgiven the blazers since. He just rips on them and acts like he didn’t know any better.
Rip City. can't be stopped. twenty-ten.
Seattle signing
I was at the Seattle signing last night wearing my Roy jersey and let him know he’s going to get a ton of flack from fans in Portland on Thursday night. Since there’s only about 10 seconds of interaction, I just pointed out that he’ll probably be signing a lot of page 609s and he said, “they know it’s a typo, right?”
I, for one, have always been a Simmons fan. I don’t always agree with everything he writes (see “41-41”), but I enjoy his style and the points that he brings up. As someone who has lived in Seattle for the last 7 years, I have appreciated his take on the Sonics fiasco and he willingly wrote “F Clay” in my Sonic friend’s book.
I hope he has a good experience at the game tonight, and I’m sure he’ll have a few things to write about his visit.

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