Gameday Open Thread: Blazers vs. Hawks--Post Game
by Dave on Nov 16, 2009 6:15 PM PST
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PrintRuminate and illuminate here. How did the game go, what were the root causes, and what did it teach us? The Game Recap is forthcoming.
Update: Be sure to check out this post with the news that broke this afternoon: Blazers Owner Paul Allen has been diagnosed with Non-Hopkins Lymphoma.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Get Miller
off this team so roy can do what he does best. Horrible signing
and that is why Rudy should be playing end of games
dude is clutch. I swear I thought we were gonig to run the Roy getting the ball heading toward halfcourt, turn and launching a fadeway 30 footer. Nice to see we went more high percentage
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Can I say that I want to do nasty things to the refs.
Dang it.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
holy f#$%, are you KIDDING ME?!?!
the refs seriously just handed that game to the hawks. what a bunch of crap.
why is Stern the unquestioned lord and master of the NBA?
Why can’t commissioners rotated, like presidents?
Joel Robinson: "What about you crow? What do you want for Christmas?"
Crow T. Robot: "I want the power to decide who lives and who dies."
Also, COMCAST SUCKS!!!
by randommanthefirst on Nov 16, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
Whoa
That was an awful, awful, awful loose ball call.
Awful.
Blake sure looked to be on the line to me in the replay, so I dunno what the Mikes are complaining about there, but plenty of really bad calls tonight. Man.
Refs 1, Blazers 0
Just because Portland didn’t play a perfect game doesn’t mean you can’t say the refs decided this game. Ya they gave up a double digit lead, but that’s the game. The game is not BS calls in the last minute of the game.
Portland transplant to Boston.
I still reserve my right to complain about BS calls in the last minute of the game.
Like that last play by Horford. When did we go to international rules?
Spoiler alert: Kenny Wheaton scores
You mean the 3pts that are required to be given to the Blazers?
That were not?
Portland transplant to Boston.
I hope Javie rots in hell, there I said it for the rest of you
by natey1 on Nov 16, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I'll rec that
He should join 10% of america in the unemployment line. The last 10 minutes of game time were worse than the D-league refs. It was completely unacceptable.
I think Javy
is a Replacement Ref in a Pro Ref’s Wool (Polyester?)
Polyester? Nah, Toilet Paper
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LMA Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I <3 LMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LMA - Putting the POWER in POWER FORWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The concussion must have jarred him into "Destroy All Opposition Terminator Mode!" - BlazersOrBust
29:20 Mins, 10-19 FGs, +14, 4 Off, 13 Rebs, 1 Ast, 1 Stl, 20 points!!!! LMA vs David West 11-13-09
I join that Rec
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LMA Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I <3 LMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LMA - Putting the POWER in POWER FORWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The concussion must have jarred him into "Destroy All Opposition Terminator Mode!" - BlazersOrBust
29:20 Mins, 10-19 FGs, +14, 4 Off, 13 Rebs, 1 Ast, 1 Stl, 20 points!!!! LMA vs David West 11-13-09
We ran out of gas
And Joe Johnson made some sick shots.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Jabby was siphoning the gas from our car
before having some alone time with the ball boys, just saying
Goodness gracious alive
We don’t necessarily deserve to win, but we played hard, and that was ridiculous
The outcome of the game looked likely to be a blazer win
The number of calls screwed up favoring Atlanta was incredible. You must think someone told them if they blew the whistle they would be as important as the players on the floor and their lives wouldn’t be lonely misserable hell holes with women who despise them and question their manliness. I really doubt that will change, they will still be ugly, blind, incapable of doing their jobs.
Hard to believe refs are biased in favor of Atlanta, a traditionally bad franchise with a lukewarm fanbase
But they made a series of questionable calls.
We put ourselves in a position to win but couldn’t finish. On the road, whether it’s the first or 5th game, that happens. Especially against a team playing well like ATL.
dude we outplayed atl we just choked in the end like always
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
no dude, we are a strong 4th quarter team
I am an oasis of Blazer fandom in a bleak desert of Laker fans.
by RenoBlazerFan on Nov 16, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
I NEVER want to blame the refs
But they missed some objective calls against ATL, such as the over and back.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
and the goal tend
etc. Atlanta covered the spread. They were -3.5. Just sayin.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 16, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
Crooked refs
try to fix the over/under, not the spread. It’s easier for them to fix (call more fouls), and is “fair” to both teams.
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 16, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
Oh well, can't complain too much about this loss
P.S. How you guys liking these ‘real’ refs? :p
Blazer Fan
Thing is Javie was actually making good calls
It was the other two that were screwing it up.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
The LBF on Oden was a bad call.
Javie made that one
Yeah but it was over when they called that side out call
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I will blame the refs
They took it away from us.
We got sloppy and allowed the refs to take it away from us
But they still missed a lot of calls.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I thought they pretty much massively sucked in OT.
We might well have lost with decent officiating anyway, I just woulda really liked to have the players decide the game, rather than mickey mouse, penny ante whistles killing the game. Really frustrating.
"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener
Hard to win when
you blow a 10 pt. lead in the 4th and are in the penalty with 8 mins left.
We ran out of gas
They got the calls, Joe JOhnson became insane.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Atanta got a lot of help on that 10-point swing
There were two very obvious travels and a questionable call in favor of Bibby. Each blown call resulted in a 3-point play.
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
I hope people don't forget
That we’re at the end of a long trip and we played a very hot team and almost took it.
Even besides the tired legs, the questionable calls, we almost had this and we can’t forget it.
I predict everyone being more mad than they need/should be.
Mort, what's with the rational thought process?
You know we don’t tolerate that kind of thinking around here.
Spoiler alert: Kenny Wheaton scores
People have forgotten that in the other thread
Well, besides Cab.
I suspect there will not be any change here.
the outcome was not favorable
but the Blazers certainly established that they can compete in all games, regardless of the potency of the enemy.
I’ll throw one more blame out there – the zone defense. Yuck.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 16, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone feel like they watched the 2000 WCF, game 7 all over again?
The officiating was putrid.
Also, why did Steve Blake have nearly as many shots as Roy? Are you kidding me?
Roy is far and away our most efficient scorer. I’m getting tired of balanced (not) scoring.
I feel like I'm watching superbowl XL
Or is that a swear here?
Portland transplant to Boston.
Honestly I was screaming
for someone to come out of the stands with a baseball bat and put those refs in the ICU. I’m a rabid sports fan, and I believe refs failing to do their job should be a crime. I guess I’d be more at home in countries where soccer riots are common.
boy oh boy oh boy.
gooood win for hawks though!
but shoot we shouldn’t had lost
lol rudy gotta love him!!!!!!
by portlandgiirl91 on Nov 16, 2009 6:43 PM PST reply actions
This is not a championship team. Right now the all-guard Blazers look like a team that beats up on sub-30-win teams and gets demolished by anybody who goes in the paint. How can we have such a tall roster and run a small-ball 100% jump shot offense?
The question isn’t whether or not this team can hang with Atlanta on a road trip, it’s whether they can win 4 games (away from home) against LA, Boston, etc.
Yeah
Shut up please. They almost beat the hottest team in the NBA when they were extremely tired. I’m not worried..
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
5th game in 7 nights
2 players at the same position are injured, the hawks are hot and were at home, and we still carried a lead well into the fourth, and would have won the game if not for some losers with *-envy wanting to decide the outcome of the game. It must be nice though, it was the first decision they made in many months. I will rage about bad calls, because there were not even make up calls. It was one of the many screw jobs to go down in the NBA.
New NBA slogan:
Where $h!t happens
youre right
that will be the real test. not this fools gold road trip.
by DrexlerMcStyles on Nov 16, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
Wasn't the best second half by a long shot
But the Blazers played the best team in the East pretty tough at the end of a long road trip…
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 16, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
wow logical fallacy much?
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
Rudy should have shot more than Blake.
"I won't back down." -- Tom Petty
"You have to know the past to understand the present." -- Dr. Carl Sagan
Their zone D is horrible. Gave up a billion offensive rebounds and wide open shots and yet…Nate keeps going back to it, an goin back to it…Why???
I was just going to say that also
You beat me.
Why Nate why?
Yes, their zone is terrible.
Unless seeing Blake guard Joe Johnson is a good thing.
by Corvallis, Oregon on Nov 16, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
GOOD NEWS
Oden mostly stays out of foul trouble.
BAD NEWS
He plays his most tired looking, up and down game of the season.
Oh well.
thats because he was actually playing against guys that know how to rebound…
by DrexlerMcStyles on Nov 16, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
There are plenty of fruitful avenues in the game of criticizing Ode
Rebounding is the stupidest one to pick.
He is a great rebounder.
Sort of expected though.
He looked good at the start and then sort of ran out of gas.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 16, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
He’s the only guy (aside from Dante and the other rooks) who hasn’t played a full season of NBA basketball in shape, so long trips will still affect him more.
That this was his most down game, and he was still helping us, is still a good sign.
He’ll get rest and be cool.
the BAD NEWS is actually also GOOD NEWS
because he probably spent more time on an airplane than in a game during this roadtrip.
I expected a loss, but that choke job in the 4th was tough
We need to get those rebounds even against good guys like Smith and Horford, and someone besides Roy needs to score in crunch time. If Rudy is that guy, good, but then he needs to play and do it consistently.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
I know people will pile on Blake tonight
But him not being able to create anything in crunch time hurt us again.
He played 3 very good quarters
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 16, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
Out of 5. Not good enough.
I’m probably just piling on a guy I don’t think should be getting all those minutes anyway, but that was just a horrible display.
It wasn’t just him though, Roy was leaving people flaming bags too.
by Free Bayless on Nov 16, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
obviously McMillian drew up the plays for Blakes 3’s in the clutch. So I blame McMillian more
by DrexlerMcStyles on Nov 16, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
when will reality replace fantasy?
Wow, Oden was a monster on the boards with all those minutes tonight…
by DrexlerMcStyles on Nov 16, 2009 6:46 PM PST reply actions
And sadly again missed 2 key free throws, when he hits them very well on average. Nerves.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Another missed call by the officials
Should have been Rudy on the line.
I actually expected someone to correct him on that
but this was not even attempted to be a fair game.
Smith and Horford kicked his ass on the boards tonight. Soft. Sorry, just sick of all the Oden coddling..the guy will never be much more than he is now
by DrexlerMcStyles on Nov 16, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
I'd say they kicked LMA's butt
Oden was boxing out and trying to get it. LMA’s guy was getting loose.
I noticed a lot more of LMA's guy getting loose
And fighting Oden for the board, who was boxing out his guy.
He definitely was tired and slower than normal, but LMA deserves the criticism there, sadly.
yes, this is the problem.. Oden’s job is to take out the center and rebound, not battling LMA’s man for the ball.
i cry for nic
Usually Oden can still handle it and get the rebound from his guy and LMA' s guy
Tonight, he was too tired, and the Hawks too athletic to battle TWO guys for it.
Don’t blame Mr. Oden. He did what he could. LMA needs to BOX. OUT.
If we want to go 4 - 0
We need someone armed in the stands glaring at the refs to convince them not to create another mockery of professional sports. I really like how in some countries when a soccer official screws up he has to run for his life from the crowd.
Man, I feel so deflated.
I was thinking they had this one.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
For three and a half quarters anyway.
Joe Johnson seems to own us.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Nov 16, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
somehow the word choke describes this game thats 2nd time to the hawks
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
blake was awful
turnovers galore, missed shots galore. aside from those nifty alley-oop passes, he looked worse than rex tonight.
11 assists, 2 turnovers. Didn't shoot well, but that's great production from your point guard.
by Roy Wonder on Nov 16, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
notas bad as i thought
i just haven’t seen him hit a lot of shots lately. what’s his season 3pt%? it seems like he’s bricking a TON
I'm looking forward to watching the Ravens
inexplicably get housed by the browns now.
I'm not gonna let this loss get to me...
yes it was upsetting seeing them choke. But there are 82 games in a season, and it is still young.
Time to make the sting of this loss go away in a smoky haze.
If the choke was the refs
they were choking on a ****
We'll get them next time
In June :-)
Unlikely I know.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Joe Johnson
Man, nailed some tough shots at the end there. Roy looked so tiny next to him.
His first 2 shots in OT
Were both well defended, hard to argue with that.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
He's a great player
6’7, built like an outside linebacker, and a smooth jumper
I hate Comcast
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I need to stop being so hard on Steve Blake. Even though I'd rather see him as a top 5 backup PG than an undersized starting SG, he's a Bazer, he works hard, he has earned respect.
by blazeraddict on Nov 16, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
Okay People
We dont not suck. Nate does not suck… we played 5 games in 7 days… atlanta had a day off, and yes we had a day off, but did atlanta play 5 games in 7 days while switching time zones . Atlanta beat us in overtime. Outlaw is gone. batum has been gone (his defense would have helped) and it in the end it was a 4 point game
Also if you want to watch the rudy buzzer beater: http://www.nba.com/video/games/hawks/2009/11/16/0020900147_por_atl_play3.nba/?ls=iref:nbahpt2
Turnovers and missed jumpers.
We were the better team for three and a half quarters. Roy and Oden could have played better games.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Blake with 10 mins more than Miller tonight.
WHY? Even if he’s hitting the 3s at a 40% clip, wouldn’t you rather have someone who can penetrate and create points in the paint – HIGH percentage shots – late in a very close game?
The best part about tonight
Rudy got his mojo back with that shot.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
So here's how this works
Everyone thinks we’re gonna get blown out for… whatever reason, and now that we play it close and good and lose in overtime in the last game of playing 5 games in 7 days, now we’ll be more upset and unhappy with our play.
Odd sports axiom
Easier to accept getting your ass kicked than losing close.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I can accept losing close
if we lose to people wearing hawk jerseys instead of ref jerseys
Fair enough
We had to win it in regulation of course. Once we got to OT I knew we were likely dead.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
There were just things I really didn't like about it.
Mainly that Blake is looking a lot like Blake. Doing all the stuff that he does, only not as well as Rudy.
I’m just worried that this roster has problems that won’t get fixed because KP loves his babies and hates trades that don’t happen on draft day.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 16, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, I agree with those things
I just think it’s funny that fans who expected a big 20-40 point loss are now more upset that we almost won.
It’s just how it is.
Should definitely be Rudy over Blake as much as possible. Blake has hit some dagger 3’s, but he’s often made bad plays late in games over the years. He can’t create a shot when teams really clamp down on Roy. It’s tough.
Miller sits the entire end of the game?
We end up shooting TIRED jump shots and lose. Would have been nice to get to the line.
Blake is killing me. I should have expected him to regress back to the mean. He had a “career” season last year. Probably a fluke at his age.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 16, 2009 6:50 PM PST reply actions
Yup
Someone who can create and not be totally useless when not hitting an open jumper.
Especially if they are a ballhandler.
just one less minute
i like blake better this game if he playes 39 minutes and dre 31.
if brandon plays point on a play, leave blake in to spot up in the corner. when your point is going to bring it up court put dre in. blake is a turnover machine end of game.
by buck_goggles on Nov 16, 2009 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed.
More drawing fouls as a whole, more points in the paint are required.
by Free Bayless on Nov 16, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
Especially Roy.
He’s playing very passively lately.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Well...
Rudy is back. For that I am excited.
Blake in an EC. Since when is he our go-to guy in the clutch?
I didn’t have very high hopes for a Portland win going into the game, but I managed to get disappointed anyway. Ugly performance late game (Rudy/Roy excluded).
An Oregonian in Texas.
Someone mentioned zone defense giving up all those offensive rebounds?
I didn’t watch the whole game, but how much zone did the Blazers play?
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Basically the 2nd and 4th
Because we gave up a lot of easy buckets early in man.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
lots of cutters down the lane
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 16, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
I can't believe we are playing our god awful zone defense for that long.
It hasn’t work for 3 years and Nate continues to play it. Nate continues to frustrate me.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Better parts of two quarters?
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 16, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
The obvious downside of playing an undersized 3 guard lineup.
You can’t guard normal sized, physical, athletic teams.
by Free Bayless on Nov 16, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
As much as I like Blake,
we needed to get him on the bench. It was obvious it wasn’t working too well when he missed those 2 three pointers. Rudy should have been shooting them anyway.
Travis Outlaw fan from the beginning.
roy got schooled today
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
Schooled?!
Didnt J. Johnson need 35 shot to get his 35?
by DrexlerMcStyles on Nov 16, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
dont forget he also got the W
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
JJ hit some tough shots
but took a lot of open shots against the zone. He was invited to shoot, and shot ATL to a win.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 16, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
And yet we almost beat the NBA"s hottest team
Hard to argue with that.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
True
At the end of a busy road stretch. Still painful to watch that lead disappear..
An Oregonian in Texas.
by NoiseMekanik on Nov 16, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
yeah i’m even exhausted from it haha
by portlandgiirl91 on Nov 16, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
This is true.
We are sorely lacking length now to bother the big 3’s and 2’s in the league. Batum please come back quickly!
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
Sheesh
Did Tim Donaghy place a call from his cell before the beginning of the 4th quarter or something? There was a 10 point swing involving two travels and a non-foul on Bibby that pretty much killed the entire game.
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
And the over and back late
ALthough that was close I agree.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I agree too.
That travel and ball on the hip by Smith that was not called led to a three point play for them.
yeah, the refs did miss two pretty blatant travels, both leading to 3 point plays.
The one that they missed with Smith was particularly obvious.
The Smith hip travel was one of the two
And then the shuffle step by ???? in the key on the subsequent possession.
Stooopid, stupid refs.
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
Okay folks, WE ARE 8-4!
Seriously, who here wouldn’t take 8-4 at this point in the year?
DO NOT PANIC!
In the next two weeks we only play two winning teams, at Utah and home to CHicago. That’s it.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Nov 16, 2009 6:55 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I hope we don't another tiebreaker at the end of this year because...
the refs took it from us.
Thankfully games against east teams
WOuld not be a tiebreaker.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
No but if we are tied with Denver when...
we should be a game ahead then it’s a problem.
Yeah
They lost in Milwaukee, far worse than this one.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Milwaukee is a surprising team
We had better be ready when we play them
I don't think most here are actually worried
we just want signs of progress, competitive games against top competition, and positive indicators of championship potential.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 16, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Disappointing end to a good road trip.
Anyone get the feeling we’re still working out the “kinks?” Not hitting our stride as it were?
If we lose
IT DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE OUTCOACHED!
Seriously.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by the refs!
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 16, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought he didn't use his bench enough
Greg was clearly tired— Joel should have played a bit more late in the game. Miller should have played down the stretch.
I see what he was doing there
He was going for development over the win there, and getting Oden as many minutes as he could in the rare game where he didn’t have foul trouble AND we weren’t blowing someone out.
Every other game he didn’t have foul probs was a blowout win…
It might have helped
I think he’d still be tired, and I like having Oden out there as much as possible.
I like to take advantage of getting him big minutes when ya can… and I think the only rest that’ll help him is a good night’s sleep.
i dont think he was outcoached
coaching was fine…guys had plenty of good looks, and couldnt drain the buckets or free throws.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 16, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
Tom
More accurately, we were out-bribed. Clearly someone in Atlanta gave the refs a larger envelope of unmarked bills.
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
Was this a good road trip? We’ll only know in the near future. You can say "4 out of 5, that’s great on the road."
But this is where that isn’t true. You have to watch the games to see what I am talking about. Sloppy, unaggressive poor passing, and really lost offense.
The underlying fact here is that Roy has clearly lost a part of what he was last year.
Was he playing over his head last year? I don’t think so yet, but he has got to step it up. That and never do whatever it is he did over summer ever again.
And the refs weren’t nearly as bad as our officiating team made it out to be. The Blazers were much much worse by comparison.
I remember watching the old Clyde teams speed out to a lead in the 1st and the 3rd. What was the 4th for? Trying to hold on to the lead and letting it slip until, hopefully, they were still ahead when the horn sounded. We’ve been playing that game all season so far. That was the wonderful thing about last year’s team. Even if they lost in the 4th they were sure giving it their all. This year? Not so much. Either that or they don’t even know how? Once again, Brandon is the leader of this team, so the blame falls squarely on his and coach’s shoulders.
It is early, so they have plenty of time to improve, and if this loss helps them learn, I’m all for it. But if it doesn’t, this was the worst 4 of 5 road trip I’ve ever seen.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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someone based in reality. nice to meet you. every team we beat is headed for the lottery, not too impressed myself..
by DrexlerMcStyles on Nov 16, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
rebounding killed us
that’s why we lost plain and simple. how many times did you see horford or smith bounce in there and fight off GREG or LMA for the board? those second chance points and wasted defensive possessions cost an otherwise winnable game.
That's the risk of the zone
But I can’t argue too much with Nate’s call there.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
That's why I love Horford and was willing to trade LA straight up for him.
And you know what? I still would do it.
Well, I wanted to trade for him when Horford was a rookie and LA was coming into his own.
I didn’t get a good reception back then, let’s just say.
yeah, when I said I would trade LA for the #1 pick that became Rose, people jumped on me, so I'm not surprised.
LA continues to be badly overvalued on this site.
It happens.
I wanted to trade Bayless for Devin Harris and I was laughed off.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 16, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
Bayless >>>> than Harris
hadn’t you heard?
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 16, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
I don't want to say names. Good people say crazy things sometimes.
You are going to make me vomit… DEVIN HARRIS IS NOT THAT GREAT. He’s a rich mans Rajon Rondo with a decent 3pt shot. Pencil him in for 14-16 points a night and 6 assists. That’s all he is. he cannot single handidly stop Davis, Cp, or any of those players. Honestly Bayless will probably be as good as Harris in a year or two.
That wasn’t directed at me, but there was a lot of stuff like that going on. People loved Bayless way too much at the time.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 16, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, you had a good response to that comment.
Perhaps others aren’t as excited about moving Bayless because they just got so excited that they got him, and want to enjoy him a bit longer? I gotta admit, his potential has me thinking things over, even though my first thought was DEVIN HARRIS OOH BOY I’M GONNA GET YOU NOW.-Mortimer
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 16, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
Devin Harris was always the type we'd hope Bayless could someday be
I always favor going and getting the version of what you hope your young buck can become, as long as that player is the right age.
Wasn’t it like LMA and Bayless for Harris?
Screw Memphis
Can we screw the grizz over by playing AI
for 10 games
haha
by doomsdaymachine on Nov 16, 2009 6:56 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Nope. The relationship is gone.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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Rudy needs to be permanently promoted to close games and play 6th man minutes
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 16, 2009 6:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
He will
at least as long as Trout is out.
An Oregonian in Texas.
by NoiseMekanik on Nov 16, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
even if trout is back
clutchness Rudy>Blake
bbiq Rudy>Trout
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 16, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
Worked great for 3 quarters.
We went away from what was working.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Wasn't really working that well for three quarters, honestly.
Offense was off all night, Atlanta was just struggling too.
did it?
Our only good scoring quarter was the first, and that’s only because we had those back to back threes to close the quarter.
Yes.
1st: 10 for 18
2nd: 8 for 18
3rd: 7 for 15
4th: 5 for 17
Scoring was low because possessions were low.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
I'll take 25-51 shooting through three quarters any day.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Negative.
IMHO the turnovers were giveaways … not a result of the offense not working. Time and again our guys just threw it away. There was one egregious shot clock violation, but overall I think our offense worked through three.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
fair enough
For whatever reason, our offense has been statistically a huge disappointment this year.
When there's pressure defense, the offense wilts.
They can’t run an offense which requires centers to pass the ball at the top of the key. With Roy being the only ball handler capable of scoring on the floor, nothing but isolation sets are run. Miller is suppose to be the guy taking the ball handling pressure off Roy. It’s unfortunate Nate chooses to sit him and watch the Roy show. What Nate is doing is tantamount to giving the ball to the best player on the team and hope for the best. I
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Nate's love affair with Blake
needs to end. The guy is a solid player, but he should not be closing games over Andre Miller, starting over Rudy Fernandez at the SG slot in a 3 guard lineup, or playing 20+mpg more than Martell Webster. All three of those guys are better than Steve in multiple ways. He’s a good spot up shooter. He could be a top tier backup PG. But as long as Nate thinks he’s a viable option in the endgame, where he’s shown time and time again he can’t deliver, this team won’t reach it’s maximum potential.
I hate Comcast
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I need to stop being so hard on Steve Blake. Even though I'd rather see him as a top 5 backup PG than an undersized starting SG, he's a Bazer, he works hard, he has earned respect.
Let’s all remember: no matter how bad certain guys looked, much of it is because of the long road trip. It’s really, really hard to win 5 games in a row on the road because players are just exhausted at the end. Roy and Oden were both fatigued tonight, only compounded by facing fresh and good opposition.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 16, 2009 6:59 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Especially a trip like this one
This was no northeast or midwest roadtrip, this was down south, up north, then back down south, and thne some shorter trips in the southeast.
Its not like say Sac-GS-LAL-PHO and DEN in a 5 game trip, its more travel than that.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Hawk fan
Good game. There were definitely some shady calls in OT, but it never should have gotten there.
Don’t know why so many seem to be killing Oden. He changes the game so much when he is on the court. We usually go to the basket at will, but settled for jumpers most of the game because of Oden’s presence. His offense looks to have unlimited potential.
I have no idea why Blake is on the court in OT? He is one of a handful of guys in the NBA that Mike Bibby can guard. I thought Miller/Roy/Fernandez/Aldridge/Oden was a lot tougher matchup.
We stole this one, plain and simple. Do not deserve it, but will take it. Good luck the rest of the way. Strange that we will not play again all season.
by Fred Pen on Nov 16, 2009 6:59 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Great comeback by you guys.
We should have had that one.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Thanks for the post
Nice game my friend, I like watching your team a lot.
Yeah, Oden was tired, and sometimes fans take for granted or forget what they got. We almost got ya, but we got tired and sloppy and you guys made the big plays in the end.
Good luck this season and see ya in the Finals!
And the "Blake thing"
Confuses many of us.
by Mortimer on Nov 16, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
REC!!!!!
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Nov 16, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
So do most of us my friend
I have no idea why Blake is on the court in OT? He is one of a handful of guys in the NBA that Mike Bibby can guard. I thought Miller/Roy/Fernandez/Aldridge/Oden was a lot tougher matchup.
Nate and Roy love him, but once again, Steve Blake proves he is not a closer
I hate Comcast
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I need to stop being so hard on Steve Blake. Even though I'd rather see him as a top 5 backup PG than an undersized starting SG, he's a Bazer, he works hard, he has earned respect.
by blazeraddict on Nov 16, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
thanks for the post. Congrats on your team's hot start.
I am harsh on Oden’s rebounding tonight simply because he’s usually so great at it. We all agree Blake plays too much.
Nice post and good luck to the Hawks.
It was an intense game.
Johnson hit some big shots, Rudy provided excitement at the end of regulation, and it was nice to see Greg battle some quality bigs like Horford and Smith. Good luck to you.
thank you
fans like you are an asset to sbn
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 16, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
Well, we owe you BIG Time ...lol..
"I won't back down." -- Tom Petty
"You have to know the past to understand the present." -- Dr. Carl Sagan
He had some great assists in the first half.
And that’s about it.
An Oregonian in Texas.
by NoiseMekanik on Nov 16, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
A classic example of why +/- is darned near worthless...
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LMA Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I <3 LMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The concussion must have jarred him into "Destroy All Opposition Terminator Mode!" - BlazersOrBust
29:20 Mins, 10-19 FGs, +14, 4 Off, 13 Rebs, 1 Ast, 1 Stl, 20 points!!!! LMA vs David West 11-13-09
per game, can be
but the proper stat is adjusted +/- with a large sample set
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 16, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
lets see
the blazers playing their 5th game in 7 days. Atl has the best record in the East. blake can’t hit the broad side of the barn, and we loose in OT
why are we mad.
(oh yeah, blake needs to come off the bench)
bayless leaves over my dead body
thanks for starting Andre
I'm mad because we should not have lost.
We had the game and didn’t get it. For me personally, a moral victory doesn’t cut it.
Cause it don't matter how close it is
or anything like that. It’s when we look back at the W or the L.
by Oden_Favre_28 on Nov 16, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
Well it is what we are trying to do here. Win.
It’s a game we should have had. I like to look at the big picture. I remember just a few years ago I was happy if we played a close game against a good team. Times have changed. IMHO we are in our championship window now. You never know how long it will last. These are games we need to have the killer instinct and put teams away. Every game is important when it comes to playoff seeding. This one game could cost us home court advantage and the possibility of taking our next step toward the title. We won’t know until the end of the season of course, but a loss like this is one you can look back on and say “that one cost us.” In my book, progress is getting farther than the previous season. If this game costs us that chance, then I will still be mad about it in April.
rudy needs to start period
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
No
He’s an energy guy. Start Martell maybe but not RUdy.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
trade martel
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
Starting Martell makes sense for defense
but right now we need offense and he’s playing horrendously on that end.
agreed
that makes me more angry than anything.
meWOW
by Philthyanimal on Nov 16, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
Btw, who thinks the announcer in the ATL Arena
Was ridiculously annoying?
The crowd only did things when he told them to.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I'm surprised there isn't an NBA rule
About the announcer (not a video) talking during play like that. Our guy doesn’t.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Our announcer doesn't get enough credit.
I like the guy. He does a good job.
Travis Outlaw fan from the beginning.
Atlanta is not a sports town.
See Braves.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
At least MEM and MIN have an excuse
THeir teams suck.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
If I was there
It’d just bum me out more.
I get why they gotta pump in noise, but it sucks regardless. Especially when most towns would love to have a fun team like the Hawks.
It does make you wonder though...
Just what kind of team do the Hawks have to field for people to show up? LeBron and Wade?
South is college football country. I’d be for giving the Hawks to Seattle…I’d buy season tix to that show.
I went to a Hawks game many moons ago
When they were back at the Old Omni (in about 1993, think crappy version of the MC). It was against Sacramento and it was a huge crowd, and quite loud as well.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
those were not fans they were robots they had to be told what to do
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
Go Blazers
I can’t help but applaud this team. What a road trip. Yes even what great coaching. I know we lost tonight, but if there is one team this season I don’t mind it happening to it would be the Hawks. They are to the Eastern Conference what we are to the Western. We have a great team and a great coach. As much as I like to be critical of Nate I am fully on board now. The odd thing about it is that this loss is really what sealed the deal for me. Every one said either a good close win for the Blazers or a blow out for the Hawks. An overtime loss to the best team in the East? Not predicted. And in an odd way that comforts me with this team. They still have secrets to share. Ways to surprise us and entertain us that we haven’t thought of yet. I think that one of those surprises could be a championship sooner than expected. Sure we lost tonight, but welcome back Cotte…er..I mean RUDY!!! And 4-1 on the road trip seriously kicks buns. Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was great to see Nate give the go ahead to Rudy for all those big shots.
He was a little more “on” than Brandon.
An Oregonian in Texas.
I'm glad Rudy hit that one
It’ll give him his mojo. He was pumped as I’ve ever seen him.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
For sure
3 different buzzer-beater threes in one game!
An Oregonian in Texas.
by NoiseMekanik on Nov 16, 2009 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
Rudy has always been clutch.
Blazers just haven’t used him late in the 4th.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
it was nice to see because Rudy is a good shooter, not because he was "on."
There is no such thing as a hot hand.
or, perhaps more accurately, there is no way for a coach to determine if his player has a "hot hand"
simply based on who has made more shots in that game.
I shoot a lot. There are times that I’m in a rhythm and I hit every shot I throw up. There are also times that I can’t hit the broad side of a barn.
shooting is feel.
i cry for nic
I call it calibration
Some times, you got the mechanics down better than others and can repeat it better.
the key point is that there is no way to separate that from just randomness
So, the best strategy is always to go to your best crunchtime players— and that’s Rudy and Roy, regardless of what type of game they are having.
Not when your best crunch-time player (Roy) is so tired he can barely lift his arms
BTW, there IS such a thing as a “hot hand.” Anyone who has played knows it. Though that doesn’t necessarily mean a guy who isn’t used to taking crunch time shots should get them. Nerves can turn a hot hand cold in an instant.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
the evidence that a coach (or anyone else) can separate a "hot hand" from "a bunch of coinflips coming up heads"
simply does not exist, despite the fact that statisticians have looked for evidence of it for decades.
ok, if a coach sees that mechanics are off, that would be different.
If the guy is just missing and there is no indication that mechanics are off, the coach should not hesitate to run a play for him if he’s a good player.
I agree that you run the play for your best players.
I also have shot enough to know what rhythm feels like. I can’t accept the no “hot hand” idea.
i cry for nic
I've felt what people call the "hot hand" also. I played my share of IM ball and I am a pretty good shooter.
The mistake players make is when they take a shot they wouldn’t have otherwise taken because they feel they are “hot.”
I've thought about this debate since the last time we discussed it
I think I see what you’re saying more clearly now, and have re-thought my POV on it.
I agree there is no magical hot hand where everything you shoot will go in.
But “the zone” does exist, and it’s when a player/person is barely even thinking about what they’re doing and just reacting and it all goes together. It’s very rare, but real.
If Juan Dixon is 7 for 8 and Roy is 3 for 13, you still go with Roy.
It's much deeper than that
And I dunno if I have the energy for the discussion tonight.
Just wanted to say, I think I get what you mean from before.
Yeah, I think we are close to on the same page here.
We just think about it differently.
I’ve had the “zone” feeling also. I am a pretty good shooter— the only thing I do decently on the court.. I always remind myself not to take a bad shot just because I’ve made a few in a row.
Unless Roy is bone tired, sick, etc.
Even then, he might be able to summon that magic for one shot. But you don’t ask him to carry the team if he’s having “one of those nights.”
Even Tiger Woods can’t hit the golf ball straight some days. If you bet on him over a guy who’s got it going on, you’ll lose. Everyone has days when they just got out of bed on the wrong side. We aren’t the same person with the same abilities every day of our lives.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
Statisticians can't find evidence of a lot of things that are real
Not everything in life can be quantified, you know. Musicians—and their audiences—know when a band is “in the groove.” But there’s no way of proving that numerically. Just saying…
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
The Mikes complain too much
Blake was indeed out of bounds. His heel was up but the middle of his foot was on the line.
And Oden had a handful of jersey and chest hair. That’s an easy call to make. If that call had been blown against Portland, people would have been up in arms.
MB's constant "he traveled" is over the top
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Nov 16, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with that.
But who’s worse in that department MB or Wheels?
I go with Wheels
I rarely listen to Wheels, but MB is starting to piss me off with those calls
I don’t want to hear his opinion, call the game like it gets called.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Wheels is even worse
They all need to lay off the homerade
I hate Comcast
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I need to stop being so hard on Steve Blake. Even though I'd rather see him as a top 5 backup PG than an undersized starting SG, he's a Bazer, he works hard, he has earned respect.
by blazeraddict on Nov 16, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
You win sir.
I listened to Calabro growing up, and I also have no idea what a Trail Cat is.
by Free Bayless on Nov 16, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
I believe a Trail Cat is an..
evil, pigment-challenged twin of Rocky, the Nuggets mascot.
I have no issues with him being evil, it’s the pigment-challenged part that I can’t stand.
Rec.
That one drives me nuts and makes me ask for Calabro.
by Timmay! on Nov 16, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec for Calabro
Come on Larry/PA, he wants to stay in the NW. Make it happen!
I hate Comcast
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I need to stop being so hard on Steve Blake. Even though I'd rather see him as a top 5 backup PG than an undersized starting SG, he's a Bazer, he works hard, he has earned respect.
by blazeraddict on Nov 16, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
TOTALLY agree
It looked very clear Blake was on the line.
There were other calls that were VERY questionable and I am fine with them grumbling about… but not the Blake one.
I think the Mikes were tired as wel and forgot themselves. They complained too much, and more than normal— and they normally complain too much.
The calls were painful
Given the situation, but those two in particular were correct. You can’t hold a guy down like that in a box out—even if it doesn’t affect the play.
It was a close loss on the 5th game in 7 nights to one of the best teams in the NBA. Folks should be happy that Portland was in a position to win it. Portland is looking a lot better. Once the offense starts to click, Portland is going to be a tough team to beat.
B-Roy needs to touch the ball more. And he should probably practice dribbling a little bit, as his handle hasn’t been up to snuff this year.
See, I thought Smith had Oden hooked
And was selling a call, and not that it was a real foul.
Normal boxing out shenanigans.
that call never gets made with 30 seconds left in a game.
that was a joke
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
they should run plays like that for rudy during a game not only when the game is over
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
This means the Blazers need to win against DET at home.
The schedule gives no rest until the beginning of December.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Depends on the night
Both are amazing, and B Roy is my dude, but he and Johnson are going to battle for the #3 SG spot all year long
I hate Comcast
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I need to stop being so hard on Steve Blake. Even though I'd rather see him as a top 5 backup PG than an undersized starting SG, he's a Bazer, he works hard, he has earned respect.
by blazeraddict on Nov 16, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
If that's the case, he should return to form as the season progresses
On the other hand, if it’s the weight, it’ll depend on how he handles that throughout the season.
Could be something else of course. Perhaps he’s just not comfortable in the offense.
He’s always been a slow starter and is at a 21 PER despite it. He should rebound to ~23ish, I think.
i cry for nic
I'm surprised his PER is so high.
His shot has been so off, it’s the other parts of his game that are helping.
Roy is struggling this year.
However, Roy was better last year and is 3 years younger. Its an easy choice.
MUCH better last year
Joe Johnson is much more of a gunner who takes bad shots. And he can’t drive or penetrate as well.
He’s less athletic and older to boot
He’ a good player, and scored a lot of points tonight, but 13 for 31 isn’t a great game.
I didn't see Johnson pouting about missed layups
and walking up the court in the 4th quarter while his man drives on the basket.
If Brandon had not gone to the 1 on 5 offense and focussed on defense, we would have won this game.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
Brandon does not call the plays.
and what we were doing on offense earlier in the game wasn’t working any better. This was a situation that begged for Roy isos down the stretch. I thought Roy passed too much today late in the game. Stop passing to Blake!
Brandon’s not a great defender, at all, but Johnson was very inefficient today. Just made some great shots at key times.
i know Brandon doesn't call the plays.
I’m just lashing out because it really bothers me to see an NBA “All-star” not making an effort to get back on D because they’re upset about missing an open layup. Who does that?
As far as reverting to the iso offense, that’s on Nate.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
a lot of guys do that.
I still think you are way too harsh on Roy. I’ve been frustrated with his play this year, but you seem to just really not like his game at all. There’s certainly nothing wrong with that from your end, I just am never going to see eye to eye with you on it.
i love what he does around the rim.
i just think he slacks on D. And he is the focal point of an offensive scheme that will not work for this team. So, he presents some problems to the team. As a one-on-one offensive player, I love his game, its just not the NBA game.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
and honestly
i don’t see a lot of other NBA players pouting like Roy after missing a basket. I believe most coaches will pull a guy out of the game for not making an effort to get back on D. I can see it if you’re a big man, but a 2 guard and “team leader” in a winnable game on the road in the 4th quarter?
I don’t think so.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
Roy is better this year, in spite of struggling
(21 PER to 18 PER), not counting tonight
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 16, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
why is nate so scared to get a technical?
id go rasheed on the refs if i was the players or a coach i woudnt even care
Trade for Luis Amundson!!Do it KP!!
today i pick johnson
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
Blazer Fans
I felt ya’ll got a couple of tough calls down the streach. Both tems played their hearts out. At the end of the day we won but there is no reason to hang heads. After not being able to make shots JJ got hot. Josh and al were awesome but I still think ya’ll might be better than us even with Outlaw out. Suck it up and kick butt – i really like your team.
I love southern gentlemen.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
i give both teams credit
they played hard, and kudos to the blazers for scrapping till the end even though they would have had dead legs.
i was very angry with the reffing, and i was extremely disappointed with the blazers rebounding, and excess jump shots. this is exactly why i dont class the blazers are a genuine contender yet, as the blazers inside game has not developed enough yet
what is wild is your team is so much like our team, the same type of faults and the same type of strenghts
by RivBoatGambler on Nov 16, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
yea i really enjoyed both games
both teams have quality players, i see atlanta as more cohesive atm though
From ESPN (Hollinger)
“@johnhollinger Sorry, that was some brutal coaching by Woody there. You HAVE TO foul Oden on the catch, and you double have to foul Rudy once he dribbles. "
An Oregonian in Texas.
Greg needs to learn ro hit those pressure FTs though
He’s fantastic normally, but when he was shooting two within a minute, I had no doubt those weren’t going in.
I think he just missed two against Denver-- just randomness
and he was thinking about those misses this time. That’s my take.
The more he's in this situation
The more it won’t be a big deal.
I prefer to be happy with how good of a foul shooter he has been, and with how we know Oden has over-thought things before, that he hasn’t melted down at all from the big misses against Denver is good to see.
It’ll be okay. A big hulking center like him ain’t sposed to shoot anywhere near 80% at the line anyways.
And I hadn't really thought about it.
But very, very true. It was a crafty play cooked up by Nate though, as I’m sure the ATL defense were all looking at Roy.
An Oregonian in Texas.
by NoiseMekanik on Nov 16, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
Foul Oden = good idea
foul Rudy = not so much. If they try to foul Rudy, he can just trow the ball in the direction of the rim and get 3 free throws. Or if he somehow makes the shot despite getting fouled, he can get a 4-point play and win the game.
One issue that continues unresolved: Steve has been incredibly bad in pressure situations.
He’s not been great overall… but it’s the clutch stuff that is really concerning with the trust that Nate has in him.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 16, 2009 7:22 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
It's been constant over the years
Dagger 3’s aside, he has routinely made bad decisions with the ball and made key errors.
His 3p% is the only category he's really besting Miller in.
And Miller is an awful 3 shooter.
An Oregonian in Texas.
by NoiseMekanik on Nov 16, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
The Houston series last year was the nail in the coffin for me. He does not perform well under pressure – unfortunately, Nate thinks he’s a closer, and he’ll continue to struggle in that role.
I hate Comcast
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I need to stop being so hard on Steve Blake. Even though I'd rather see him as a top 5 backup PG than an undersized starting SG, he's a Bazer, he works hard, he has earned respect.
by blazeraddict on Nov 16, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The only thing i don't like about blake
I love blake the whole game except in the crunch.
He was so clutch at Maryland. I don’t know what happened.
Though I guess in that tourney run all most of his clutch plays were corner threes. The rest of the time he was just giving it to Juan Dixon.
by buck_goggles on Nov 16, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
I still think he's a real asset if used properly
I think it mainly burns me that Steve plays in the clutch at the expense of Rudy or Dre, both of whom I think need to be out there unless its a situation where Martell (or Nic when he’s back) need to be on the floor to guard a James/Kobe/Melo type scorer.
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Start Rudy
by blazeraddict on Nov 16, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
i just dont understand
ATL has had a quality team for a few years now, with exciting players like JJohnson, Josh Smith etc. yet i always read that the hawks rarely have a sellout unless lebron or kobe come to town?
that certainly doesn't help the Hawks
5th in a 5 team town is pretty harsh. I’m guessing it will take a deep playoff run/championship run to get any cred.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 16, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
Those missed shots by Blake
who had a good game game up until that were at the most inopportune moment. Tired legs down the stretch. Look for a hungry squad. This loss leaves a bad thirst that will be quenched by a win on Wednesday. Still, rough rough rough
hawks soar to top spot; lakers plummet
LOL i saw that on nba thought that was kinda funnny!
by portlandgiirl91 on Nov 16, 2009 7:27 PM PST reply actions
ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH
We had this one. Had it. Just dumb turnovers.
I can chalk the rebounding up to tired legs. I can live with that.
And giving up all those offensive rebounds
An Oregonian in Texas.
by NoiseMekanik on Nov 16, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
those were extremely fustrating
but upon reflection, I can forgive them— ATL is a great rebounding team and we were clearly tired.
And it really truly isn't just rationalizing it
Tired legs from it being early in the season and a long trip.
Yes.. you’re more in shape and not tired by the time the playoffs come around, is what I’m saying. Ya just can’t overplay a guy allllll season or he’ll be wore down come playoff time.
We almost had it...
…totally sucks, but if Atlanta keeps this play up we can feel good about almost getting it on the road after a long trip.
no
ATL played poorly tonight for 3 quarters. We should have put them away. This is not a killer loss by any means, but ATL gave us a great chance and we didn’t take it.
I mean ATL's good play in general
We didn’t play that good tonight and almost won, I’d hope this isn’t ATL’s best they can do.
There were some ugly, sloppy plays on both sides.
But when it mattered most, we got outplayed.
An Oregonian in Texas.
by NoiseMekanik on Nov 16, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
We miss him for sure. It'll cost us ~3 games in the long run.
There are big problems on offense though. We’re have to figure something out.
it shouldn't be
Martell is simply not getting enough time on the court. He needs touches to find his groove, and his intangibles have been far superior to Blake’s.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 16, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
Batum > Martell, unless Martell has a magical breakout in the middle of the season that goes against all the data.
i cry for nic
Martell is not an NBA starting quality player for a good team
If he can’t be a productive bench player, he’s not long for the league.
Not that I disagree about how Martell is playing
But didn’t you say that about Channing Frye last year?
Reasonable to assume he'd be a productive bench player elsewhere too though.
Anyway, just thinking about the fact that sometimes players aren’t used to their maximum effect.
right
You are missing the point though— I think Martell is an NBA player. My point is that I don’t buy the “he’s only good as a starter” arguments. Martell is not good enough to start for this team once Batum gets back, 3 guard lineup or not. He needs to learn to play well off the bench.
I dunno if he's only good as a starter
This season, he was better as a starter.
Now he is forcing things and not looking good.
Martell certainly hasn't earned a starting role since being moved to the bench
No disagreement.
But the fact that he’s not playing well on our bench doesn’t mean he’ll assuredly be out of the NBA. He may get used differently elsewhere and play better.
I was arguing for more Webster instead of Blake, given Batum is out
Webster has a tendency to make mistakes that gets him yanked by McMillan, but McMillan is exceptionally poor at understanding all player’s contributions. Webster, tonight, had the highest +/- on the team, and consistently is the best in that stat.
The major problem is that his best skill – the J – hasn’t been falling because he isn’t squaring up.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 16, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
Is it Martell playing poorly or Martell playing poorly because he's not playing
he’s been a 10-15 mpg guy since Nate went 3 guard.
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Start Rudy
by blazeraddict on Nov 16, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know if he can be
in his current role. He needs to produce, but look at Frye, some guys just can’t get it going in sport minutes. Plus, I don’t think he did anything to lose time – it was more a matter of Nate having his hand forced by Miller at the PG and consequently, carving out more time for Blake. This has come largely at Martell’s expense, and right now he’s struggling to adjust to this new role.
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by blazeraddict on Nov 16, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
at what point do we stop saying that every team has played poorly against us and start saying that we’ve just improved on defense?
i cry for nic
a worthy question
I think its both. ATL missed a ton of open looks today. There’s no doubt whatsover that Oden is making a big impact on D this year that he did not make last year, though.
you could say that every opponent (Houston, maybe Atlanta) but one or two has played poorly on offense this year. I think at some point we attribute a chunk to the defense.
i cry for nic
it passes the eyeball test, largely. Teams aren’t attacking the middle… and when they do, they are getting stopped with terrific frequency. Forcing jumpers in the NBA is a win.
i cry for nic
It doesn't seem like they are doing much different this season (other than Oden)
but the results speak for themselves.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 16, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
we're forcing more contested long 2's for sure.
We’re also seeing teams miss wide open threes at unsustainable rates, IMO.
I don’t think there’s any doubt we’re better on D this year. How much better is unclear.
we give up the thirteenth-highest three point percentage in the league. .07% off league average.
i cry for nic
crap, that’s last year’s.
you are right, opponents are shooting abysmally.
I defer to Jake.
i cry for nic
lol
yeah, before this game teams were hitting 31% on threes against us (35%= average). That will drop after ATL’s 5 for 18 today.
We’re getting lucky.
Okay, if teams were shooting the exact same percentage as they did last year, we would have a Drating of 103. Still much better.
i cry for nic
36.7% of 195 threes, we end up 13 threes lucky. 39 points added to the 1057 we have given up, we have 1096. 1096/12 is 91.3, which equates to a Drating of 103 when divided by our ~88 pace.
i cry for nic
And we were I think 2nd from the bottom last year
In 3 point D.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
That's pretty cool
Really, the only game I can remember where people missed 3’s they normally make is the Spurs game.
They also werent' taking them
It was ridiculous, both SA and POR were passing up open shots.
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Haha, that's a good point
AND we can still be a lot better on defense. We got a chance to be great there, anchored around Oden.
If we can force some turnovers
THis team will be scary on the break.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I just love the fact that we have faced a five game road trip and somewhat average competition with incredible results on defense, only to dismiss it due to the opponents playing poorly.
Teams are settling for jumpers. It is beautiful.
i cry for nic
Not sure we can count Memphis, Minnesota, NO and Charlotte as somewhat average.
Combined record: 9-32
Atlanta is a start.
#19 out of 30
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
Blazers miss Batum badly
Blazers miss Batum truely
we are DOOMED
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
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who let C3PO start posting on Blazersedge?
Hey 3PO, I hear you speak Bocce. There’s GOT TO BE a good bocce forum thattaway somewhere——————→
toodles!:)
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 16, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
ur in the wrong post brotha
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hehe.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 16, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
our d stinks our offense even stinks more, here we come lottery
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2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
wow.
over react much?
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trade everyone start over
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Point Guard Play
needs to get better. Miller needs a fine every time he shoots outside 16’. Blake needs a fine every time he serves up the flaming bag.
Fewer turnovers, higher shooting percentage. Soon.
Miller's long shots
Are almost always end of clock things. He’s gotten much better at getting into the flow of our O though.
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Great road trip.
That was a tough way to lose but they could have called a travel on Rudy’s 3 at the end of regulation. Great shot though—-just what we need to get Rudy going.
and no Miller down the stretch?
Horford/Smith are beastly inside. That team will be able to bang with anyone in the playoffs.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 16, 2009 7:44 PM PST reply actions
Yup
They have a chance to go deep this year in the east, especially if they avoid Boston or Orlando in the first round or two.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
The best part is watching Cleveland get ousted again.
Poor Cleveland fan…
Go to New York, Lebron. Go to New York and suck for 5 years.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 16, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
what a bummer way to end a road trip... we basically GAVE away this game in the 4th.
couldn’t grab a defensive rebound even if our lives depended on it… aren’t we supposed to be one of the best rebounding teams in the league? bahhh.. i had such high hopes after the 3rd, but i should have known we would eventually fold down the stretch.
When we've played 5 games in 7 nights
In 5 different cities.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
come on.. these guys get paid MILLIONS of dollars to play this game
and it’s not like they don’t get their rest in between games… they stay at 5 star hotels, fly on the nicest plane that money can afford. i don’t buy the tired legs excuse!!!!
Just cause you don't buy it
Don’t mean it ain’t real.
Why do you think they were tired then? Or do you not see them being tired.
Yeah I mean especially the turnovers
Were of the sort you make when you are tired.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Yes. And lose close games.
Dig out the stats from the last couple seasons! 11-3 in games decided by 3-or-less points is just not getting it done!
(I’m guesstimating that record for artistic effect, thanks)
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 16, 2009 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
By my count
We’ve been ahead in every game to start the 4th and ALWAYS LOSE IT. Every time.
Every.
Time.
That IS curious.
Given the execution of the team last year when holding a lead after the 3rd. Weren’t they undefeated last season in such instances? Hmmmmm.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 16, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
hahaha
me too!
They better not lose any more games.
70-0 from here on out, or else!
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 16, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
We've still already won 5 road games
We won only 20 last year.
If we can improve just a few wins on the road this year, that helps a lot.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
As an aside: How could Outlaw have made a difference in this game?
Given the fact that the Blazers seemed vexed by Hawks rebounding and Joe Johnson’s sweet silky fadeaway jumer, I’d say VERY LITTLE.
But get well soon, Travis! You know we love ya.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 16, 2009 7:52 PM PST reply actions
he could of guard joe better then blake
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LOL
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 16, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
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"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
He could have
Fired up more ridiculous shots to pad the Hawk rebounding total instead of turning it over.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Outlaw is all about grabbing big rebounds this year.
I totally disagree.
Batum was still more important though.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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it only gets better from here lol
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bummer, mangs:(
I was in a sweet mood. Biked my ass to get home and watch the final 40 seconds + OT.
I expected a bit more from LMA and Oden inside though. They seemed to miss out on a few boards. The rest is just tough—-Joe Johnson made a few sweet shots and the Blazers clearly got hosed on a couple calls.
Not such a bad game, all in all, right?
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 16, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
rudy had the best offensive night and blake 3 for 11 whos the coach again?
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TRADE THE TOWEL BOY!
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 16, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
Er, which guy played more minutes during this road trip?
Of course Blake—like all the starters—struggled. Those guys were bone tired but fought thru it.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
I still see improvement every day
With nearly every game. We are better than 3 weeks ago.
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by skywaker9 on Nov 16, 2009 7:57 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
w0rd
And with our good record and nice win streak we STILL are CLEARLY not playing to our ability.
We will get there, and be even better. I’m very happy about how things have gone.
OT but I think there might be as many people left
At the MNF game tonight as there were at this game. Seriously, emptied out with the Ravens up 16-0 on the Browns after 3.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
The refs were bad but
Horford outworked Oden
Roy’s shot selection was awful
Rudy didn’t touch the ball in OT until less than a minute remained
yes it was standing waiting waiting waiting and then hoisting a 3 that he missed sounds like outlaw to me
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"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
Yea. He was taking it strong to the hole.
Roy was awesome. That assist to LMA where he dumped it off and landed on his face was macho too.
I can rarely find any fault in B-Roy’s efforts.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 16, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
hey, I'm not saying he played great today by any means.
I have been frustrated with his play. I just don’t agree that his shot selection as awful. I wanted him to shoot MORE. The offense was struggling and he’s our best player. Just because Rudy shot well today doesn’t mean we should have started running every play for him.
i think we should of atleast in teh OT
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LA played the most minutes and had no turnovers but his guy did get 16 rebounds
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I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
To be fair, his guy is better at rebounding
Among few other things…I miss the Josh Smith that used to jack up 3’s with a hand in his face.
More disappointing then giving up a 10 point 4th quarter lead
was the way in which it happened. We didn’t miss good shots and lose they lead, we didn’t take good shots at all. If we weren’t turning it over, we were throwing up shots at the shot clock buzzer that had no chance. Offensive execution the last 8 minutes of the game (and in overtime) was really just….offensive.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Rudy is awesome, lets not waste his talent anymore.
Blake is at the point where he should be getting 15-20 minutes backing up miller.. star rudy with the new 3 guard lineup. Why not? Hes better at 3s, and better overall at just about everything.
by collectiveshane on Nov 16, 2009 8:19 PM PST reply actions
As long as it takes you to realize the beautiful bromance between Nate and Steve..
I always picture Nate shedding a single tear during the press conference to announce that Blake has been traded.
Blazers had a great road trip.
Now they deserve some rest. They did better than anybody here thought they would, myself included. Sleep young Blazers, sleep… come back refreshed and ready to kick some ass.
by Corvallis, Oregon on Nov 16, 2009 8:25 PM PST reply actions
Just got back from the game
Had a nice photo op with Barrett and my family. Truly nice. Exchanged pleasantries with Kevin Pritchard, Antonio Harvey and Dennis Scott.
Impressions from the game. Our defense is improved. While guards still make it past the first line of defense, more often than not our bigs (mostly Oden) are covering their backs and altering shots or just making it miserable for the other team. That being said, Atlanta did have some open threes that they weren’t hitting. For three quarters this was good enough.
Offensively, we were decent for the first three quarters as well. Not great, but considering how I thought we would be on the last game of the road trip, better than expected. We attempted to go inside and were somewhat successful. Then we had a lull at the start of the fourth which allowed Altanta to gain confidence and then it turned into a one on one contest between Roy and Johnson. Only a miraculous shot from Rudy saved our bacon for an extra five minutes. In the OT nice play by Oden on offense and then everything else not so good save for some late threes by Rudy.
The crowd in Atlanta was ridiculous. If there were 5000 people there I would be amazed. The piped in music was hideous and they were begging the fans to get loud. Truly a sad commentary on Atlanta sports fans. The Hawks are good!
Individual observations
Greg – you could tell he was a bit ragged today. He didn’t have this years pep, was a nervous nelly everytime he touched the ball and just tried to force too much. That being said, he still looks better offensively then at any time last year and he does make a difference on defense. He has a loooooonnnggg ways to go, but I think he will get there. It may take another year or two.
Brandon – he looked a bit lost. He is fumbling the ball more than I have ever seen him and isn’t nearly as confident as before. He had a nice stretch when Atlanta tied the game in the fourth, but in overtime he seemed to regress. Not that impressed with his defense, but no doubt he is still our best player.
Blake – Offense we run is perfect for him. He is good at spacing, made some nice passes, but he has to hit those shots and not pound the ball so much wasting the shot clock. If he hits one or two of those shots we win the game.
Aldridge – missed some rebounds that he should have had. Nice offensive game/
Rudy – played with energy, hit most of his shots, need more of this.
Miller – runs the offense, changes things up, couldn’t figure out why he wasn’t in at the end.
Webster – nice jam, but really needs to be more confident in his jump shot. Puzzles me. He should take notes from Travis on the one dribble, stop and pop. He tries to force things and he doesn’t yet have good enough handles to make that happen.
Joel – he was pretty nonexistent from my viewpoint tonight, except for one nice block.
Anyway I was pretty pleased with our play and it took Joe Johnson just shooting the lights out for us to lose. We took a good team to overtime, really should have won, but I can’t fault the effort, just the result.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
I'm struck that no one seems to be talking about Paul Allen's illness
Not so much out of concern for him & his family. Being honest, Allen’s a pretty private guy, so it isn’t like we really feel we know him. We can’t be expected to react as we would to similar news about a friend, family member, or beloved local celebrity. But am I the only one who is concerned about the effect this development could have on the Blazers’ championship aspirations?
KP and others have been quoted more than once to the effect that, once a championship is in sight, PA won’t hesitate to spend what it takes to get over the top. In other words, Paul Allen would be willing to go well over the luxury tax threshold in order to sign a game-changing free agent. Should—God forbid—PA lose his battle with cancer, does anyone really think Vulcan, Inc. would be willing to go that extra mile to bring a championship to Portland?
Forget about tonight’s loss. That’s small potatoes (I for one, was excited that the guys competed like they did at the end of such a grueling road trip). Today’s big story, in my opinion, is the disturbing news about Paul Allen’s health.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
What's more disturbing...
Is how you are more concerned about how the Blazers might be able to “win a championship” than oh… A man dying of CANCER. Seriously? Did you even read what you wrote?
Perspective?
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 16, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
I think you're misinterpreting what he said
Hurryup is one the most thoughtful posters, in terms of basketball and human analysis on this board. In no way was he diminishing the fact PA has cancer. What he’s saying (or at least my take on it) – and it’s a valid point – is that for all the Comcast and Rose Garden bankruptcy grousing over the years, PA is probably one of the top five most committed, in it to win it profit be darned owners in the game. Portland has been spoiled during his tenure as owner, the man always spends what is necessary in the judgment of his basketball people to put a good product on the floor. I’ve said it myself in the past, I’m worried about who the next owner will e after PA, because he’s a gem and quite frankly, Portland isn’t crawling with basketball crazy billionaires, unless Phil Knight decides the NBA is his next adventure. We all are pulling for PA in his battle with cancer, all hurryup was doing was putting what this could mean for the organization in basketball terms into words.
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by blazeraddict on Nov 16, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I get that...
And speaking as a Blazer outsider I think just about every fan wishes Paul Allen was their team owner. Aside from basketball even he seems like a nice and charitable man.
Still, I think it a bit crass to be concerned with championships when faced with the cold reality of his current situation. Just my opinion.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 16, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
As I just posted (see below), I was just being honest
Perhaps to PUBLICLY STATE one’s concern about the impact a man’s illness could potentially have on a sports team is crass. But to privately have such a concern isn’t crass at all. On the contrary, it’s perfectly understandable—for the reasons I’ve explained.
And re/ the crassness of expressing those concerns at BE, there’s a fine line, I think. A group of friends gathered to watch tonight’s game, hearing the announcement concerning Allen’s health, would be expected to discuss the possible impact on the Blazers. And for those of us who frequent BE regularly, this site isn’t much different than a group of friends gathered around the t.v. set.
What DID strike me as odd—if not crass (for the reason I’ve detailed) was the almost complete lack of mention of Paul Allen’s health in this long, long, thread. Maybe denial is the explanation. The possibility of losing arguably the best owner in sports is hard to accept on any level.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
I mentioned it in the gameday thread
I said if he doesn’t get better I’ll murder him.
To help spur the good behavior of living on.
I hope he gets better, he’s been through quite a bit, health wise, over the years.
I hadn't been much aware of that
I’d heard PA was a cancer survivor, but not much beyond that. I hope he has nine lives. He’ll certainly have the best medical care, which bodes well for him. But—again being honest—Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma is a very serious disease. Thus my surprise that everyone was so preoccupied with tonight’s loss in light of the news about Paul Allen.
If Brandon Roy or GO stubs his toe, everyone around here thinks the sky is falling. But when the one person most responsible for the current success and future hopes of this franchise is diagnosed with an often-fatal illness, there’s hardly a ripple in BE Nation.
Like I said, maybe it’s denial. Or maybe people don’t want to appear crass by expressing their concerns. Maybe it’s a combination of those factors—I dunno.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
He's also had heart issues and at least one surgery involving the heart.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
I knew I'd get this type of response
I was just being honest. I don’t know Paul Allen. I don’t even know much about him, as he’s a very private person. I’m sad that he’s sick, but I’m not devastated by the news, nor am I disturbed that BE’ers seem more concerned about tonight’s loss. It’s understandable. Thousands of people who we don’t know die of cancer every day. This is a terrible reality we have to live with. But does that keep us from following sports? On the contrary: one of sport’s great virtues is the escape it provides us from life’s grim realities.
Having touched on this matter in my first paragraph, I went on to say that, even from a selfish, basketball-fan standpoint, Blazer fans should be far more concerned with the news of Allen’s illness than tonight’s loss. Allen is one of the best owners in sports, and fans should be very nervous to hear that his health is in jeopardy. The Blazers wouldn’t be the team they are today with a different owner. And their chances of getting to the Promised Land without Allen are slim to none. Small market towns like Portland have the deck stacked against them.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
Well...
At least you are honest, I’ll give you that.
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by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 16, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
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- Kevin Love would like the NBA to take the MLB’s approach on All-Star games
- Kobe Bryant fires a few hilarious salvos at Jeremy Lin
- Brandon Jennings states the obvious regarding his 2014 free agency, everyone goes nuts
- The Facebook campaign to hire Will Ferrell for All-Star Game player intros is underway
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