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Travis Outlaw's Injury: What Now?

No rest for the wicked and/or weary.  The inbox is jammed again with people offering questions and suggestions about what to do now that Travis Outlaw is down for the next couple of months.  Is Juwan Howard the answer?  Should the Blazers have kept Ime Udoka or Jarron Collins?  Are we now to rain curses upon the Kings and Suns for snatching them up after we dumped them?  Should Portland make a trade to address this situation?  How badly will/does this mess things up?  Are the Blazers snakebit?

OK...stop.  Deep breath.  Go to your happy space.  8-3...8-3...  There.  Better?  Now, let's talk.

There's no doubt the Blazers will miss Travis.  Nicolas Batum's injury cost them their best individual defender.  Now couple that with losing their best offensive player off the bench, their clear 6th man, and the loss is significant.  Best defensive player, one of your best offensive players...no matter how your roster is built that's going to reverberate.  You might not see it on a nightly basis, but over time you're going to miss those players.

The Blazers are in a position to mitigate much of the potential loss of Outlaw's injury because they have one of the best reserve power forwards in the league waiting in the wings.  Perhaps you've heard of him.  His name is LaMarcus Aldridge.  Sure he's the starter, but he's a starter averaging a shade over 31 minutes per game right now.  He's young, he's fit, and despite the relatively slow start to the season he's awesome.  You could easily bump those minutes up to 40 for the next six weeks without crimping his style too much.  If you can't rely on Howard or Przybilla to fill 8 minutes per game between them then what are they doing on an NBA team?  Plus, what is Outlaw's job description?  If you said, "Score, baby!" you're onto at least two-thirds of it.  What would LaMarcus dearly love the chance to do more of?  If you said, "Score, baby!" then you've just quoted my first six girlfriends after we...uhhh...I mean you've just described Aldridge's Christmas Wish List.  He's averaging 12.3 attempts per game right now.  Give him two-thirds of Travis' shots and he's still only at 18.  Granted they score in different fashions but nobody said you were going to be able to dig up an exact Outlaw clone.  You probably have to run a few more set plays and you have to run them through LaMarcus, but that's a legitimate option for the Blazers.  The key here will be the centers keeping out of foul trouble, as the Blazers no longer have the luxury of filling with a scoring power forward if Aldridge has to slide to center.  As long as you can keep Oden or Przybilla on the floor LaMarcus is going to remain your best option at power forward no matter what time of the game it is.  No matter what the coaching staff says they're going to try, my guess is they're going to end up calling on LaMarcus in this situation and sticking with him.

The same argument could be made for Martell Webster covering whatever small portion of the small forward minutes Travis was taking.  Martell should get a little rub and more chances to drive to the hoop if he's so inclined.  But I think a hidden beneficiary of the injury could be Rudy Fernandez.  Rudy has come on strong in the last week in every area but scoring, where he's still basically an afterthought.  If the Blazers are forced to run a small lineup Rudy will probably get time in one of the wing positions.  The Blazers will also need somebody to initiate the offense.  Neither Fernandez nor Webster has proven great off the dribble but Rudy appears to have more options with the ball in his hands than Martell does right now.  Also if you tell Rudy to get aggressive he's probably going to respond.  Again it's not a one-for-one correlation to Travis but the overall effect could be similar.

I don't see a lot of other options that make sense right now.  I believe J. Howard can still contribute to this team but he hasn't shown a lot with the minutes he's been given so far.  He's probably not a reliable 15-minute-per-game guy.  You're not going to find guys on the free agent market who will make a difference either, especially when you consider they have to acclimate to the team.  Dante Cunningham probably isn't ready yet.  Making a trade specifically to address this situation seems the most unlikely option of all.  You don't make a permanent move to address a six-week situation.  Plus anyone you bring in will have that learning curve as well.  Most importantly, who are you going to send?  The most likely names are Outlaw himself, Webster, Blake, and Bayless.  Outlaw's injured.  Who are you going to get with Webster or Blake?  If you send the two of them together...BOOM goes the rotation.  That's practically the apocalypse right now, not because of their respective talents, rather the roles they're occupying.  You don't move Jerryd for a stopgap either...partially because he wouldn't bring back enough right now to warrant the risk of him being good later and partially because you'd create another roster hole if another injury occurred.  The only way a trade would make sense is if it were for a clear starting small forward or a strong combo-forward off the bench.  Either of those moves would have been planned long before this and would have nothing to do with this injury (except perhaps being ruined by it if Travis was part of the deal).

In the end the Outlaw and Batum injuries may cost us a couple games.  On the other hand maybe they provide opportunities for players to shine who otherwise may have been overshadowed.  Either way they aren't season-derailing events.  It ain't good but it ain't the end of the world either.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Definitely, good for Rudy. I was thinking about this and it’s exactly what he needs. Strange though, going from a logjam at the 3 to what we are faced with now. I hope Travis is only out the maximum 2 months. I hope Rudy can pick up where he left off last season, hitting a ton of threes, creating opportunities for himself off the ball and for others on the ball. I think Rudy can fit in better than anyone else, and when Rudy has the ball in his hands, I won’t be cringing every time he moves. It was getting to the point where I would close my eyes if Travis started to make a move to the basket with the ball… instant travel, clumsy ball-handling. With Rudy, no more awkward off-angle shot-puts from the elbow, now more cringe-inducing drives, and hopefully a little more offensive efficiency. If he knows what’s good for his career, he will take full advantage of these next couple months and develop a good reputation for himself as a 6th man, go to bench player, and offensive spark.

Bring the bling to Rip City, Natch'

Trade John Canzano!

by richardb on Nov 15, 2009 11:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

rec

"I don't know what my role is." -- Jerryd Bayless

by Nashcj on Nov 15, 2009 11:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Addition by Subtraction?

Aldridge, Rudy and Webster taking bigger roles in the offense makes the Blazers better. Cunningham can bring outside shooting that is steadier, even if it lacks the explosiveness that was always Outlaw’s potential.

That potential, however, wasn’t realized as yet this season. One good game and a bunch of “almosts”. I’ll take Cunningham’s mid range game and better defense over Outlaw’s frustration – even before the injury.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 15, 2009 11:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

DC

It’s Cunningham’s time to shine. He has a steady shot, can run the floor with anyone in the league, and plays better D than Travis. I say give him his shot. He may not have the fadeaway jumper that Travis has either, but given the situation you just let him get in there and get a feel for the NBA. He’s already athletic, he can shoot. The Blazers may already have the answer waiting on the bench. Get him in there!!

by JusChilln345 on Nov 16, 2009 12:00 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ouch

Nobody likes the Firsts anymore?

by JusChilln345 on Nov 16, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This rule change makes me happy.

Clyde the Glide, the greatest player ever

Cliff Robinson got mad at my brother who was trying to sell him a cellphone when my brother called him Uncle Cliffy. Apparently, he doesn't like that name very much.

by BeaumontTXBlazerFan on Nov 16, 2009 4:40 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Not a change

It’s been that way for a year or more.

—Dave

by Dave on Nov 16, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

unless there is another injury (god forbid)

cunningham is not going to see any significant playing time.

by colinmarsh on Nov 16, 2009 7:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No rest for the wisked is right -- dont envy Nate's lineup issues

With so much talent, Nate had to sub someone else, when any given bench players was having a bad day. Sometimes it takes a while to get into rhythm, especially for the shooters. The accidental shortening of the rotation may give them some more rope and maybe they can find their rhythm.

But, (Oden+Joel) only account for 43 of 48 center minutes. The garbage time minutes dont account for all the left over time. We’ve been playing small ball with LMA at center and Travis at PF to give us some extra offense, and we’re still a low scoring team on average. Rudy/Martell dont fill this big man issue — hope that Juwan/Dante(?) can offer surprise value.

by FromAfar on Nov 16, 2009 12:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

This is what I am feeling.

Rudy can fill in the minutes because he can create his shot; he can hit 3’s; He is better at passing the rock (OK!!! much better), but filling in at the 4 is not going to happen with Rudy.

Of course everybody knows I am a Travis fan, but not a blinded fan. Travis was not always the best first man off the bench because of his inconsistencies. Therefore his loss will be felt, but like Dave said “not the end of the world loss”. It is because the list of injuries is growing that causes the problem. Pendergraph, although not in rotation yet could fill in sometime at center, Batuum and Travis combined takes much out of the regular rotation which regardless of what is believed really screws up the chemistry. We don’t know what Mills could bring, but his value on the bench with the new three guard line-up, and JBay questionable and I am sure not 100% is worth lots more then being not available.

We can not do anything about our injuries; crying about who we kept, or should have kept is not going to help; we are not talking about earth shattering stats by losing Travis. Dependability’s is not Travis’s strong points.

With Travis’s worth being what it is it, it easy to look at the bright side of things. It could give Dante some valuable growing time, although he is not 100% ready, we are talking 5 to 10 minutes shared with J Howard. It could get Rudy out of his funk with more playing time or JBay with more playing time.

Short term as Dave said, We might lose a couple of more games with the combination of losing Batuum and Travis, but in the long run the more experience and chemistry we can get from lower bench dwellers, the better we will be down the road.

With all that is being said. IMO, the adding by subtracting comments for the long term is the best analysis on the thread.

hg

by BBK on Nov 16, 2009 6:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Marcus Camby

Just thought I would make the conversation interesting. Put him with Pryz and any three small combo you want. His contract may be hard to swallow but like I said, it would make things interesting.

by dawgman47 on Nov 16, 2009 12:16 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

big contracts require big contracts in exchange.

We don’t have the candidates, this season.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 16, 2009 12:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you're correct about how Marcus Camby's salary is a tad too pricy from a trade standpoint.

As a cheap solution, I still believe that offering Travis Outlaw and $3,000,000 cash considerations to the Milwaukee Bucks for Kurt Thomas would be a small, yet beneficial transaction that solves an immediate short-term need without damaging the long-term future. Yeah, that’d be a tough, unceremonious way for Outlaw’s career to end with the Portland Trail Blazers, but the NBA is first and foremost a business.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 1:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

can you trade an injured player?

or are we talking February action here?

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 16, 2009 1:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the NBA did away with the injured reserve in the last collective bargaining agreement ...

and replaced it with the inactive list. With regards to trades, anyone who’s on the 15-man roster is eligible to be dealt — except in certain cases (e.g., newly signed free agents like Andre Miller can’t be traded until 12/15/2009) — thus, Outlaw could be shipped out of here as soon as today.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 2:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To who?

If anybody is going to trade, wouldn’t they want someone they could use now? Travis does not know yet how long he will miss or what if any lingering effect it might have. (Yao).

hg

by BBK on Nov 16, 2009 6:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great thoughts, as always

Dave’s right on point. This is why I read Blazer’s Edge. Thanks for being a reasonable voice (and damn insightful when it comes to Xs and Os, too).

by travis13 on Nov 16, 2009 12:18 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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The only way a trade would make sense is if it were for a clear starting small forward or a strong combo-forward off the bench

Rudy Gay anyone?

by abobo84 on Nov 16, 2009 12:32 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Heard his name mentioned quite a bit...

as a forgotten guy that Memphis would probably part with due to having too many scorers.

So I figured I’d just throw his name out there in response to what Dave said above. For who? I don’t know…also always hear his name as someone Pritchard covets.

by abobo84 on Nov 16, 2009 1:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The only team that I can envision making a move for Rudy Gay in this climate is the Minnesota ...

T’wolves, with David Kahn being so desperate for wing scoring — which is all that Gay is capable of doing as a one-dimensional high-volume shooter — that he might offer a package of something like Mark Blount’s expiring contract and a defensive stopper in Corey Brewer for Gay and the return of Mr. Adriana Lima (i.e., Marko Jaric).

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5284716

For Memphis, moving Gay would help ease the development of O.J. Mayo. Also, dumping Jaric back on the T’wolves would be a cost-cutting move — which’d please the frugal Michael Heisley — and, moreover, a normally low usage lockdown defender like Brewer is the right kind of player to pair with Mayo at the wing positions.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 2:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The T-Wolves

are too stupid to make any sort of move that would net them anything good. Proven by the fact that they signed Ramon Sessions and have failed to play him the minutes he so deserves.

You’re right though, they’d probably be the only ones able to make a move for him.

by abobo84 on Nov 16, 2009 3:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Ramon Sessions signing was a signal to me that David Kahn doesn't comprehend ...

the importance of roster balance. Sessions is like a taller version of Jonny Flynn, as they’re both strictly dribble-drive point guard due to their skill sets. On top of that, neither Sessions nor Flynn are efficient long-range shooters who can spread the floor and, moreover, they’re both overmatched defenders.

Even more amusing is Sessions and Flynn are the wrong types of 1s to play in the triangle offense, which Kurt Rambis is foolishly trying to install with a personnel that’s hilariously ill-equipped to run it. Not only that, but none of the wings on the Minnesota T’wolves are sharp passers, cutters, or efficient scorers — which is a staple of the triangle offense — thus, Rudy Gay wouldn’t even be a good fit, although I could see David Kahn targeting him like a moron.

All things considered, the T’wolves are in shambles and should look to blow up the roster even further in lieu of trying to trade for a goon like Gay. Heck, offering an empty 20/10 bum like Al Jefferson — who’s basically an off-court friendly version of Zach Randolph — to the Los Angeles Clippers for Marcus Camby, salary filler (e.g., Mardy Collins), and the return of its future first-round draft pick that it previously dealt in the Marko Jaric/Sam Cassell trade would signify a full-blown rebuilding process.

Knowing Mike Dunleavy, Sr., he’s likely one of the few dolts who wrongly thinks an inefficient, defensively worthless sloth like Jefferson will ever be a worthwhile contributor on a winner. At this point, Kahn should just try to get out from under Jefferson’s contract — particularly in lieu of myopically targeting a short-term fix in Rudy Gay to appease casual fans this season — and tank this season. With or without Jefferson, the T’wolves appear to be a ghastly 10 or so win squad. As a result, Kahn and co. might as well take ownership of that fact.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 3:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They only really have two point guards now, right?

The Ramon Sessions thing made sense to me because he’s not overpaid. It’s just another asset and since the Wolves are still early in the building process, roster balance doesn’t really matter. They’re so far away from building a winning roster, it just makes more sense to acquire talent and then figure out the balance once you get some cornerstones.

by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 16, 2009 6:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

He was cheap. If the two PGs both really play well, they have a really nice trade asset on a cheap contract.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 6:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with the Ramon Sessions signing wasn't the depth at point guard ...

conundrum, but rather David Kahn and Kurt Rambis seemingly being on a different page.

Knowing Kahn’s moves up to this point, he seems to have a fetish with ball dominant point guards — regardless of whether they’re flashy playmakers such as Ricky Rubio or dribble-drive floor generals such as Jonny Flynn and Sessions — as well as has openly stated a desire to see two guys who are strictly 1s play together on the court.

Notwithstanding Kahn’s idiocy in believing Sessions and Flynn — or, for that matter, Rubio and Flynn — could ever be paired as backourt partners, I’m astounded that he hired a coach who wants to implement a difficult offensive system that utilizes an off guard in lieu of point guard at the 1.

So, rather than sign Sessions to a long-term deal specifically to stockpile talent, Kahn should’ve instead scoured the market and done something like trade Chucky Atkins’ partially guaranteed contract — which was ultimately waived for financial savings — for someone like Keyon Dooling, who’d actually fit Rambis’ offense.

Honestly, a big part of the problem is the hiring of Rambis. Looking at the Minnesota T’wolves roster, there’s nobody on it except for Kevin Love who’d be an optimum fit in the triangle offense. I’ve got nothing against Rambis, but he looks doomed to fail over the next two or three seasons. It won’t be entirely his fault, either.

Instead of Rambis, Kahn should’ve hired a young rookie head coach such as Elston Turner. Turner, who’s long been an understudy of Rick Adelman, could’ve come right in and installed a more apt system for this muddled roster via the flex motion offense.

http://www.coachesclipboard.net/FlexOffense.html

For Flynn, he’d be in a better position to thrive as a rookie under those circumstances than he is at this juncture. Okay, sure, Al Jefferson doesn’t fit well with the flex motion offense — although he’s an overrated bum who’s also ill-suited for the triangle — but trading him elsewhere for value should be a priority of Kahn’s anyway.

At any rate, though, it looks from afar that Kahn is just throwing wet pieces of paper at the wall hoping something might stick. Ugh, that’s a short-sighted management style with no clear vision that’ll lead to a tempestuous tenure for him there.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 7:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mostly true

and all irrelevant. If you are really, really bad, the best thing you can do is get as much cheap talent as you can. Sessions was cheap. And they are really, really bad.

If they actually do something smart and trade Sessions for a good player or even a draft pick, it will have been shown to be a brilliant move.

Last year, Orlando lost their PG and went shopping for one. This year, if someone loses a PG, the first place they will call is Minnesota, and they should get a nice asset in return. It really cost them little to get Sessions.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 7:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He seems to have a fetish for talent.

Rubio and Flynn were the right choices. I preferred Jennings over Flynn at the time (still do obviously), but it was still a good choice. They need to find a couple legit stars first, so signing or trading for aging roll players would be exactly the wrong decision. Those guys you can find later, especially if you have excess young talent floating around.

The Wolves shouldn’t be trying to win a ton of games. They need one good draft, and until lighting strikes, it’s all about building talent, not roster balance.


Looking at the Minnesota T’wolves roster, there’s nobody on it except for Kevin Love who’d be an optimum fit in the triangle offense.

Exactly. It doesn’t matter. Kevin Love is a better bet than Al Jefferson. You take the best odds and hope that it works out. I think it’s a good bold move that they aren’t trying to build around Al Jefferson. Do what you can to make your best player better. That to me, would be Kevin Love and Johnny Flynn.

by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 16, 2009 7:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You still failed to touch on the following matter.

Both Jonny Flynn and Ramon Sessions — albeit more importantly Flynn for the sake of argument — are the antithesis of what a 1 shoud embody in the triangle offense.

I, therefore, argue David Kahn lacks an understanding of what type of players fit into certain schemes. It’s all fine and dandy that Kahn relishes collecting talent and stockpiling assets, but trying to jam square pegs into round holes is either obstinate, just plain stupid, or both.

All right, the Minnesota T’wolves are bound to be rotten during the dismantling phase of this long, arduous rebuidling project. Meanwhile, though, there’s no justifiable reason for Kahn to have hired a coach, Kurt Rambis, whose system doesn’t mesh with the recently accumulated talent.

For T’wolves fans, I’m afraid that Kahn’s fly-by-night management thus far is a precursor for his upcoming demise over the next 5 or so years. Knowing Glen Taylor, though, he may allow this to drag on for a decade.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't matter.

What young PG with tons of potential fits in the triangle offense? He has limited choices.

I’m not sure the triangle offense makes sense, but if a few of the “keeper” learn it in the mean time, then what’s the harm? Maybe Kevin Love starts to flourish. Maybe Johnny Flynn learns and does well, he’s still terribly young after all. Maybe they end up trading Al Jefferson for Anthony Randolph.

Who the heck knows. Grabbing a talented PG who doesn’t fit the triangle is sure a whole lot better than grabbing NO ONE at all.

by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 16, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Anthony Randolph is the most laughably overhyped second-year ...

player in the NBA. Whenever I read fans of the Golden State Warriors refer to Randolph as “Magic,” I shake my head in chagrin. It’s a joke.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lay off the hyperbole.

I’ve seen him play a bunch. I know what he is. The truth lies somewhere in the middle, but I think maybe your horse is a little too high to see that.

by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 16, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

After checking out the RealGM boards, Warrior fans have ...

started to challenge Raptor fans for the most delusion group.

Now, luckily for Warrior fans, their craziness seems to focus solely on Anthony Randolph, while Raptor fans lunacy applies to an undying love for their favorite team on the whole — sans their occasional disdain toward star players like Vince Carter and Chris Bosh — so I must call it like I see it.

Anyway, my issue with Randolph the player is he’s atrociously inefficient jump shooter on offense at the 4 — which turns him into a 5 under Don Nelson — and has remarkably bad handles for someone who allegedly had point forward potential coming out of LSU.

Randolph also lacks a sturdy enough frame to be a worthwhile man-to-man defender against frontline players, although he’s a solid help defender and rebounder like fellow teammate Andris Biedrins. Randolph is nowhere near the best help defender on the team, though, as that honor belongs to that high-enery shot blocking Frenchman known as Ronny Turiaf.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You do realize...

that Anthony Randolph is averaging a RIDICULOUSLY efficient PER of 21.2? He has the 6th best rebound rate in the league at his position. He has a better TS% than Aldridge. He’s simply not inefficient on offense.

I’m not a crazed Randolph fan, mostly because I don’t think he’ll ever be a great man defender. He has bad handles? Besides Dirk I can’t really think of anyone better off the top of my head, although I’m sure there is.

It’s just so ridiculous to make statements about him being a joke or whatever. It’s like Glen Beck and Kieth Olbermann had a baby who loves basketball. Way too much hyperbole.

by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 16, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I said he's an "inefficient jump shooter," which is a ...

fact. Last year, Anthony Randolph had a 33.3% eFG% on jump shots — which consisted of 56% of his field-goal attempts — and this season so far he has a 35.9% eFG% on jump shots.

I’m not even going to go in detail over Randolph’s bad handles at this moment, but his high TOV% and god-awful assist-to-turnover ratio are proof positive of that.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Turnovers don't always result from poor handles.

So that’s not really proof positive of anything.

by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 16, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

emphatically said!

I think Kahn is “compiling assets” no matter the position. However, I think he doesn’t realize that even if Sessions is a good player and his K is a good deal, you’re reducing his perceived trade value by giving Flynn big minutes. How much do they think they are going to get for Rubio when everyone knows(IMO) Rubio doesn’t want to go somewhere with a loaded PG rotation? Teams will lowball them knowing that MIN is in an unenviable position.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Nov 16, 2009 6:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would like to see Nate give Dante a few minutes

Guarding Joe Johnson,he has the hops and hustle and he might be this years Nic type pleasant suprise

by southern oregon on Nov 16, 2009 12:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Inferno is too slow.

Joe Johnson would riddle our bigs with fouls if we put DC on him. It would be interesting to see DC match up with Josh Smith, though. That’s length vs strength right there, and it would be interesting to see if he can bring the intensity that JSmoove brings to the table.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Nov 16, 2009 12:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Dante has the hops

but that doesn’t make him a good perimeter defender. Cunningham played in the middle of a zone in college. He’s not used to defending in “space” and the Blazer staff sees him as a 4, not a 3. He can guard bigger SFs and smaller PFs who aren’t good ballhandlers, but that’s about it at this point.

I do like his BBIQ and out-of-area rebounding skills a lot, and he’s already a great pick-and-pop option, on offense

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 16, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Dante getting some of Trout's minutes

He would be very similar to Trout in the backup PF role, excepting he will be a reliable outlet option instead of a primary scoring option on offense. Trout’s shots will get spread among Rudy, Lma and Martell. Although it’s unforunate Trout went down, we are well equiped to deal with the injury. Trades are rediculous to consider as we won’t get anything better than what we already have on the team.

by NWfan on Nov 16, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Totally disagree

What I’ve seen of Dante so far is that he has very good lateral quickness, and I bet you will be rethinking your assumption that he can’t guard quick small forwards once he gets that chance. The guy knows how to play defense and has the tools to become one of our best defenders.

"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09

by jamon51 on Nov 16, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I bet you will be rethinking your assumption that he can’t guard quick small forwards once he gets that chance

It’s not my opinion, Joe Prunty was interviewed at Vegas and said that DC “isn’t quick enough” to chase small forwards “like Travis Outlaw” around, on the perimeter. Then after summer league, the coaches asked Dante to add upper body strength. I “assume” this means they want him playing near the basket (since they haven’t asked Batum to bulk up—but may if he had his shoulder would’ve been better prepared to prevent a torn labrum?)

I’ll be glad to be “proven wrong” because that would mean that Cunningham has improved his footspeed and has worked on defending small forwards during practice. I’m just not counting on him being “the next Batum” at this point

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 16, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm counting on it

I like living on the edge

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by jamon51 on Nov 19, 2009 1:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the consolidation some are crying out for has happened

Maybe this is why it is smart to have a lot of talented players on an NBA team?

Great point about Aldridge. I would like to see him on the floor closer to 35-38 minutes a game. I wouldn’t mind seeing Dante used like Bayless to get a 5 minute run now and again to see what he might bring. Here’s to hoping Webster and Rudy use any opportunities they get to get on track.

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by tssbro on Nov 16, 2009 1:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

This is not consolidation

This is paring away…nobody’s idea of a good time.

—Dave

by Dave on Nov 16, 2009 1:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But paring away

shows the fallacy of the “must consolidate” argument.

Consolidation leaves you much more vulnerable when paring away happens.

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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 1:25 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know about consolidation, but I was in favor of pruning the roster.

Pruning means cutting back at some positions to strengthen the team and make room for growth. Specifically I was in favor of trading Outlaw for a backup PF to make us stronger at PF but also to make more SF minutes available for the growth of Webster and Rudy (Roy playing defensive SF/Rudy offensive SF) while Batum is still out. This sort of injury inflicted pruning didn’t strengthen our PF position unfortunately.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 16, 2009 1:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's rebalancing

which is eminently reasonable and not at all the same thing.

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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 6:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This sort of injury inflicted pruning didn’t strengthen our PF position unfortunately.

Yeah, like I wrote this weekend, one more hit on the Blazer’s big man “deflector shield” and this season is “done for”. After what happened with Webster’s rehab last year, I’m not putting any stock in these 6-8 week estimates for Outlaw’s return. Pendergraph isn’t even running yet, as far as we’ve heard. KP should be waiving Patty Mills “today” and picking up the BPA at PF/C, just as insurance

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by two4larue on Nov 16, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OT
KP should be waiving Patty Mills "today"

This reminds me of the blog for unnecessary quotation marks.

by PostUpBatum on Nov 16, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No, that isn't the case.

In all likelihood, a consolidation trade before the season started would’ve brought back a 4/5 banger — albeit at the cost of a one-dimensional 3/4 in Travis Outlaw and a gunner 2 in Jerryd Bayless — thus, even if said 4/5 (e.g., Nick Collison) got injured, the situation wouldn’t be any different than it is at this very moment. Regardless of whether or not a consolidation trade had occurred this summer, the team’s vulnerability factor concerning potential injuries would’ve been the very same either way.

Now, Paul Allen’s pure idiocy in wanting Patty Mills is another issue altogether, but my feeling is that the ten billion dollar man deserves to fail miserably if he interjects his stupidity in basketball-related matters.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 1:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Meh

You didn’t want consolidation really. You wanted Travis to go for a 4/5 to address roster imbalance, not because you cared about “consolidation”. You only wanted to throw in Jerryd because A) you hate him (he stole the girl you dreamed about in high school or something) and B) his salary would have helped match the salary of the guy you were lusting after.

That’s not consolidating for consolidation’s sake, that’s trading what you have to get the guy you want. You were wrong IMO, but at least reasonable.

Do you have one single shred of evidence that the Mills signing was simply a PA decision? Since you throw this out gratuitously on many unrelated topics, I just thought I would waste my time asking. :)

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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 6:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"Do you have one single shred of evidence that the Mills signing was [...] a PA decision?"

Nope, but it’s been widely assumed that was the case after reports about how Nate McMillan was unhappy about the organization’s decision to waive Ime Udoka and Jarron Collins soon after Patty Mills signed his one-year, non-guaranteed contract tendered to him as a second-round draft pick.

I, moreover, believe there was a post by Ben about how Portland keeping Mills as the 15th man was a non-basketball decision — which I’m paraphrasing here, but someone could verify it — which would strongly indicate that Paul Allen made the final call on this matter.

Again, though, it’s all conjecture until someone with insider information — such as Ben — comes out and verifies these assumed rumors. My guess is that this one holds water, but that’s just me.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 7:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's what I thought

No evidence. It’s ok, this is the Internet, so keep banging the drum.

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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 7:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, that snide remark has given me the drive to check out Ben's post on the ...

matter. If nothing else, I greatly thank you for dragging me out of my lazy state of mind.

From 10/21/2009, these are Ben’s cited quotes on Patty Mills getting the 15th spot.

“Quick described the move as a big surprise to many within the organization. If you remember, on draft night Kevin Pritchard quite clearly stated that Mills ‘has a passport,’ implying that the team, without a true need at point guard, hoped Mills would play overseas this year. Throughout this summer, Mills made it clear he was interested only in playing in the NBA.

During his radio spot, Quick stated that Coach Nate McMillan was ‘not happy’ with the decision to add a young point guard over a veteran presence. Quick went on to imply that the decision might have been made above Kevin Pritchard’s head as well.

Needless to say, this is a surprising development. As recently as yesterday — even after Mills was signed — everyone I had spoken with on or off the record saw this as a two person race, with Udoka the leading candidate thanks to his relationship with Coach Nate McMillan. Mills had also been noticeably absent from the team’s Practice Facility recently."

http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/10/21/1095441/quick-patty-mills-wins-15th-roster

On the face of it, eveything indicates that Paul Allen moronically interjected himself in a basketball-related decision. It’s his money, though, so he can waste it in a fiscally imprudent manner — while damaging the on-court product of his NBA franchise — if he chooses to do that.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 7:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, what do we have

Quick implied it might have been made above KP’s head.

Did he cite any source? No.

He “implied” it “might” have been.

OK, that’s Internet evidence, I suppose. A reporter implied speculation that it was above KP’s head. Which might be Paul Allen, or might be Larry Miller. IF Quick’s speculation is right, that is. IF Quick even was really implying that.

There is so much IF in here that it’s silly. Now, you might be right. I’ll even go so far as to say there’s a reasonable possibility you are. But I for one won’t be taking gratuitous shots at it over and over again based on a reasonable possibility. I might state that is is a reasonable possibility.

But when someone states something as indisputed fact, and then bashes someone repeatedly over it, based on an implied might have been, that’s perhaps Internet level dialogue, but perhaps one shouldn’t be overly bothered by snide remarks about it.

All that said, when the book comes out in a few years, if we find out it was indeed PA’s decision, I won’t be overly surprised. But there are plenty of other explanations for the decision to keep me from assuming you must be correct.

“Implied might have been”. Maybe I’ll make that my sig. :)

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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 7:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, what riled me up a fair bit was that you seemingly implied that I was ...

fabricating this without any “evidence.” Now, you’re correct Jason Quick didn’t directly question Paul Allen himself and Ben subsequently ran with what was available; still, those reports are a form of circumstantial evidence. You and others may not find Quick’s evidence to be substantial enough to validate the claim that Paul Allen choose to keep Patty Mills, but it’s evidence nonetheless.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I didn't say you fabricated it yourself

but it isn’t evidence worthy of the name.

It isn’t even Quick’s evidence. It’s Ben’s evidence that Quick implied a might have been. I’m not saying Ben is lying, he is interpreting something Quick said to be an implication. Ben is pretty smart, he’s probably right that Quick was implying something. But Ben isn’t infallible, nor is Quick, nor do we know that Quick actually knows anything.

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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

whoever made the decision, it was wrong

and even if Mills somehow becomes “the next Chucky Adkins” in a year or two, it’s still not a good idea to keep him on Portland’s roster, in November 2009

when the book comes out in a few years, if we find out it was indeed PA’s decision, I won’t be overly surprised.

Sometimes it takes longer than that for the facts to come to light. I finally learned why the Blazers chose LaRue Martin instead of Bob McAdoo, this past summer. (If Harry Glickman ever mentioned it in a book or in one of his “Nobody asked me, but” newspaper columns, I never read it)

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by two4larue on Nov 16, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why was it??

Don’t leave a brotha hangin’

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Nov 16, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

McAdoo's people reneged on a verbal commitment

And you don’t do that to Harry Glickman. The agents changed the terms of the deal overnight after they had shook hands on pre-draft contract terms. Harry told them to hit the bricks

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by two4larue on Nov 16, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah...interesting

I hadn’t heard that either

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The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Nov 16, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What we heard, at the time

Was that Martin had a big game in a pre-draft tournament and was considered a “project” center who might develop into “the next Alcindor”

Portland NBA fans were pretty naive, back in the day…we didn’t become “experts” until the late ’70s ;^)

Of course, Harry said if Portland had drafted McAdoo, they would’ve had a better W-L record and missed the chance to draft Walton. So, there you go

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by two4larue on Nov 16, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, that trade would've also been a consolidation trade had it been completed prior to ...

Nicolas Batum’s injury. Entering training camp, there were fears about whether or not Travis Outlaw would be satisfied with solely backup minutes at the 4 — as Batum, Martell Webster, Rudy Fernandez, and Ime Udoka were fighting it out at the 3 — therefore, moving a potentially disgruntled Outlaw and Jerryd Bayless for a guy like Nick Collison who’d be cool with backup 4 and emergency 5 minutes would’ve been a form of playing time consolidation. After Batum hit the shelf, though, such a transaction would’ve definitely been more of a restructuring trade than a consolidation trade.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 7:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Side benefit

It wasn’t about consolidation, it was about shoring up a weakness. When you were pushing it, you weren’t banging on about consolidation like some do, you were talking about roster balance, and rightly so.

That’s why I wasn’t laughing at you. Well, on that topic anyway.

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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 7:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

True, the main point of it was roster balance. It'd've also brought the benefit of ...

consolidation — albeit more so with playing time at the 3 versus roster construction, although moving Jerryd Bayless in the process would’ve indirectly cleared a spot for Ime Udoka — so, in essence, two birds would’ve been killed with one stone. Alas, it wasn’t meant to be.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 7:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I notice you didn't deny

that Jerryd stole the girl you’d been dreaming about.

He probably spit on your car, too.

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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 8:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who'd want to dream about just one girl?

Remember, variety is the spice of life and sharing is caring.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What, he stole all of them?

Jerk.

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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rex doesn't have time for girlfriends

unless they shag balls for him in the gym.

Or if they are expert ping-pong players

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by two4larue on Nov 16, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's why he stole all of them, apparently

He was bricking so many shots he needed all of AK’s dream girls to chase them down.

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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The two are only related

by injuries and that’s a tenuous thread upon which to make decisions.

Let’s say you have a 7 guy and a 5 guy at backup and you have the chance to trade for a 9 but then you’ll have to settle for a 3 at backup. (Numbers are all arbitrary.) You could say to keep the 7 and 5 in case of injury but if that injury happens what are your chances of winning with a 5? Much better than winning with the 3 you’d have going the other way? On the other hand if no injury occurs does that 9 help you more than the 7? Philosophically do you play to lose less or win more? I suppose it’s somewhat situational but I would guess that most GM’s would say you take the chance to win more. Maybe if you already had championships in hand you’d play to mitigate your worst-case-scenario rather than extend your best-case, but even then I’m not sure.

Neither of those arguments equate to “MUST consolidate”, of course, as any “must” implies “regardless of cost” which is an overstatement in any situation. But if you have the chance to go for the player you really want you probably take that chance even if you sacrifice some depth. If Gerald Wallace were the guy the Blazers had targeted (and I’m not saying he is, it’s just a theoretical example) I would assume they’d have no problem trading Outlaw and Webster for him, for instance. I don’t think they’d worry about bundling any two of their point guards for another point that they wanted either.

—Dave

by Dave on Nov 16, 2009 1:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

net benefit analysis

we play this game all the time – but I rarely see outcomes that are “no-brainers”.

This roster isn’t a candidate for for a dramatic makeover. You can only “help” Cindy Crawford so much before you have to let the natural beauty work for itself.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 16, 2009 1:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's all true

Consolidation trades (or we might say quantity for quality) are generally a good idea when you get the chance to do it without paying too much.

The problem I’ve had with the constant drumbeat for consolidation trades is two-fold:
1. People haven’t been saying we should consolidate if we get the chance, they’ve been saying we must consolidate so guys don’t rot on the bench, and because we’ve got more talent than we can play. That’s silly — having extra talent is a good idea, because guys get injured, and because sometimes talented prospects don’t work out.
2. All this talk about consolidation is misguided because it is built around role players. With apologies to everyone else, Brandon, LaMarcus, and Greg are the only non-role players on this team right now. And on-court chemistry is not going to be real conducive to adding yet another star. To use your terms, if we already have two 10s and a 9, will it work well to add another 9, or is it actually better to have a 7 and a 5 backing him up at that fourth position? Or put it another way — will that 9 actually be a 9 if we put him next to two 10s and another 9, or is he going to end up a 7 1/2, only now we only have a 3 to back him up?

Yes, I suspect an Outlaw-Webster for Wallace trade would have been done in a moment, for multiple reasons.

Side note: A consolidation trade to add a player to a loaded team is extremely difficult. First, you have to find a trading partner who is willing to make that quantity for quality trade. Few teams want to do that. Second, the player they are willing to make available has to fit well with your already loaded team. You aren’t going to build your team around him. So he has to be a significant enough upgrade to justify sacrificing your depth AND a good enough fit to be a significant upgrade on your team. But even then, you aren’t there. Because you also have to give up players, and the players they are demanding may unbalance your roster and leave you seriously thin at another position. So you have to then find players that they want enough to make the deal which you can afford to lose.

And then you have to make salaries match.

These consolidation trades happen, but they don’t just come down the road every month. There are usually 2-3 of them a year in the entire league, which means on average a team gets to do one every 8 years or so, maybe, if they are lucky.

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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 6:37 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Nobody on this team is a "10."

Brandon Roy is a 9, Greg Oden is a 7 with the potential to be a 9, and LaMarcus Aldridge is an 8. There are only a select few 10s in the NBA today, with LeBron James, Dwight Howard, Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant, and Chris Paul fitting that bill.

Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett were also once 10s, but they’ve fallen down to 9s at this point in their careers.

Shaquille O’Neal was a 10 way back when, too, but he’s a 7 at best nowadays.

Oh, and by the way, the likelihood of Roy ever reaching that 10 level is practically zilch, which is because his defense isn’t up to snuff.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 7:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't invalidate the general point

And all that depends on your scaling.

Notice Roy’s defense on Crash? He can bring it if he will.

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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 8:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'd hand out my grades on a league-wide scale and you'd grade on a curve.

Even if you grade on a curve, though, LaMarcus Aldridge certainly isn’t a 10, because he’s nowhere near Brandon Roy’s league. At best, Aldridge would be a 9 in that case.

Anyway, Roy plays solid defense on occasion … with an emphasis toward “occasion” here! Until Roy bucks up and becomes a true leader on the hardwood — which isn’t the same as spouting trite platitudes during practice and kissing up to the coach — he won’t be up to par with the guy he admires, Kobe Bryant, and is fair game for our criticism.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 8:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Roy's not a leader on the hardwood?

I’m curious as to how you define a leader. It would appear that it means playing aggressive defense 100% of the time a player is in the ball game. Yet I certainly don’t see that from Kobe or Paul in the list mentioned by you as the true 10s. Both are great situational defenders and offensive superstars. I would say Roy is just about there as well.

And when he goes to the coach to tell him he’s in danger of losing the team….that the players need more reast…I don;t see that as a sign of kissing up to the coach. I see that is him showing leadership for hte benefit of his team. Being on good terms with a coach is not a bad thing. Kobe became a better player when he started listening to Phil Jackson…..same with MJ.

Brandon has shown a strong willingness to pull back in certain areas of his game to help the team win. I would consider that to be true leadership.

By the way, I’m not disagreeing with your statement that Roy is a 9. I agree….but I see him on the cusp of 10-ness.

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by antediluvian on Nov 16, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know how I'd grade?

A league-wide scale is just another form of curve, isn’t it?

I wasn’t actually suggesting that any particular player is a 10, or a 9, I was speaking in generics.

I wouldn’t give Brandon a 10 because of lack of consistent defense, but he could be a 10 by the end of the year without a doubt. I’m not saying he will, I’m saying it is possible. I would have given LMA an 8, but his rebounding has been up and it isn’t just that the numbers are up, I see him going after the ball aggressively on the defensive boards the last five games or so. If that continues, we may have a 9 on our hands before long. I’d put Greg at 8 right now when he’s on the floor, but only a 6 or 7 because of the fouling. Fix that and he may be a 9 by the end of the year.

See, we aren’t that far apart in our evaluations. Just because I’m an optimist doesn’t mean I’m blind.

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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And so clearly, the Blazers should try and acquire Heinrich

to cope with the Outlaw loss by going with a 4 guard line-up. I’’m suprised nobody else has seen this obvious solution yet.

by NWfan on Nov 16, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

these are the current numbers

11 healthy bodies (of those 11, 5 could be considered as PF/C)
4 players are now on the injured list
Patty Mills needs to go ASAP, a 6th big man needs to be added for roster balance

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by two4larue on Nov 16, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is what I was implying...

There are very good reasons to not consolidate a roster. If you can make a team better by subtracting a player, like Randolph or Miles in the past few years, you do it. But to just trade away your depth and talent so you can have a nine man rotation and garbage at the end of the bench is not a good idea. I know that is a straw man argument because no one wants garbage on the end of the bench but my point is you should have depth so you can make it through a tough, grinding 82 game schedule. The minutes tend to work themselves out over the course of the year.

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by tssbro on Nov 16, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Should have put consolidation in quotes...

I don’t find it to be very realistic since most teams aren’t going to give up a more talented player for two lesser players. There might be a large contract or some other risk involved that evens out the trade but why take on somebody else’s risk for the sake of consolidating your roster. Then a couple months after the trade an injury happens and the fans call for the GM’s head who made such a dumb move that left the team so vulnerable.

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by tssbro on Nov 16, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We will do fine without Outlaw

This will be great opportunity for Webster and Rudy to make their case to remain on the team after this year. We needed to shorten the rotation and get them more minutes for that reason anyway. I was in favor of eliminating Outlaw’s SF minutes before this happened. So from my point of view the only issue is filling in the backup minutes at PF.

LMA can play PF for nearly 40 minutes a game and Howard, Joel (sparingly in 2nd half on nights when fouls aren’t an issue), or Webster (a backup PF would have to guard him) can fill in for 8 minutes a game depending on the size/quickness of the other team’s backup PF. We can even give Cunningham a couple of minutes against a few teams. The biggest change will be going small (LMA at center) for less minutes per game, or being smaller with Webster in the “PF position” while LMA is at center.

We can fill in for Outlaw’s offensive production at SF with Rudy and Webster, and Webster will pull defending backup PF’s outside to create easier inside baskets for GO and drives by Miller and Roy if he is in the “PF slot”. Defense at backup PF is more of a concern than offense.

Outlaw’s stats in 10 games this year: (Outlaw had 8 assists, 7 steals, and 12 turnovers in 10 games)

Best games – 9 for 14, 4 for 10, 7 for 15, 4 for 9, 5 for 9

Worst games – 1 for 8, 1 for 8, 1 for 9, 3 for 8. 3 for 11

Overall shooting % – 37.6% (LMA 49.6%, Rudy 43.1%, Webster 37.3%)
3-pt shooting % – 38.7% (Rudy 40.5%, Webster 33.3%)
5.9 rebounds per 36 minutes (LMA 9.1, Rudy 4.5, Webster 4.1)
1.2 assists per 36 minutes (LMA 1.8, Rudy 2.8, Webster 1.4) – Plus we will get better ball movement and flow without Outlaw.
1.1 steals per 36 minutes (LMA 0.7, Rudy 2.7, Webster 2.1)
1.9 turnovers per 36 minutes (LMA 1.0, Rudy 2.8, Webster 1.7)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 16, 2009 1:25 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing that Outlaw being out will reduce the "small ball" tendencies of McMillan

Howard is bound to see more PF minutes, which is more conventional that having Outlaw fill that role. There are few PF’s where Outlaw would have been a better defensive matchup than Howard. Howard won’t block shots – but he will be in position much more often for rebounding and a hand in the face. If a smaller, quicker PF is in – Dante can play.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 16, 2009 1:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As I said above, the biggest change will be going small (LMA at center) for less minutes.

We need LMA to play more PF minutes so that’s practically inevitable. I don’t know if Howard can defend anymore – we’ll see soon. Again, defense is a bigger issue than offense at the backup PF spot. I doubt Cunningham is ready for anything more than 2-3 minutes in an emergency, and then only against a few match-ups.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 16, 2009 1:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If we can get the fouling under control

I hope we see 5 mpg of Greg and Joel together. That would be fun.

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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 6:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

I was in favor of (small doses of) the “twin towers” lineup before Travis was injured. I think it could be a huge advantage in a future playoff series

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by two4larue on Nov 16, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, we've discussed it before

Even if you only use it a few times, it makes the other team have to game plan for it. And if you use it in the playoffs even once, you find out if they can cope with it or not. If they can, well, maybe you don’t use it again, but there’s always the chance it steals a game for you.

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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Nate did use it against Houston (briefly) last April

I’m of the opinion that Greg and Joel shoul get more than 48 mpg “combined” per game, unless they’re hurt in or foul trouble. Przy is one of the best 8 players on the team (well, not on the offensive end, but he is a useful screener…) and as Oden’s minutes hopefully increase, it doesn’t follow that Joel’s PT “has to” decrease at the same rate

In other words…no more playing ’tweeners at PF backing up LMA. Use your length as an advantage

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by two4larue on Nov 16, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't discount what Outlaw was bringing to the table this year

Yes his shooting pct. was weak so far, but look at what he was doing this year:

Hanging around for offensive rebounds- that put back of Roy’s miss being just one example
Taking it to the hoop- much more determination to get to the rack this year
Scrapping for the ball- lots of energy in keeping active that is a step up from prior years

by ralphzillo on Nov 16, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've argued for and against Outlaw over the past couple of seasons

I just think that the intangibles you mention can be provided by the current roster – and that the Blazers might actually benefit from more offense from “within the system”. Cunningham, with his ability to shoot off the pick and pop, can consistently deliver outside shooting to make up for some of what Outlaw provided; and Webster/Rudy can provide the 3-point shooting.

As far as hustle plays and athletic plays – we have other guys that can do that as well – and all of them play better off the ball defense than Travis.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 16, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, Dave, you hit the nail on the head in one regard. At the 4, LaMarcus Aldridge will see a drastic bump ...

in playing time to around 40 minutes per game; that’s because his primary backups not being reliable options. Juwan Howard is a broken down pile of junk, while Dante Cunningham isn’t ready for prime time; therefore, the combination of them should see no more than 8 minutes per game maximum.

Regarding other potential options, Joel Przybilla is only capable of doing one thing effectively as a backup 4 — which is setting bone-crushing screens up high — yet, his hands of stone makes him turnover prone at rolling to the basket, his lack of range makes him a non-factor at popping out for mid-range jumpers, his horrendous assist-to-turnover ratio makes him a horrible option in the high-low game with Greg Oden, and his regression on defense due to age isn’t something I want to test regularly against quicker opposing 4s.

Another option mentioned was playing Martell Webster at the 4 in limited minutes, although that’d be an abject failure. On defense, Webster would get massacred trying to guard taller, bigger frontcourt players. On offense, Webster’s mediocre mid-range shooting makes him a a less than optimal guy working the pick-and-pop and, moreover, his lack of handles makes him someone who can neither create his own shot nor take his opponent off of the dribble and drive to the hoop from the elbow.

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Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
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by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 1:54 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we want Howard matching up against 1st line PF's

or Dante, either. But as backups playing against backups….

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 16, 2009 1:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Right, most of league's backup PF's are weak in one respect or another.

That’s why Outlaw was so much more effective as a backup PF than a SF. It’s a matter of selecting our best matchup attributes from Howard, Joel, or Webster (might be size, quickness, passing, rebounding, shot blocking, or experience depending on the opponent) for about 4 minutes a half.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 16, 2009 2:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Juwan Howard and Dante Cunningham shouldn't even be playing against backups, as Howard has ...

no reasonable place in the NBA at this point in his life and Cunningham is a currently third-stringer who should be sharpening his skills as a D-Leaguer in Idaho right after Thanksgiving. Instead, Howard fills the picayune, meaningless role of a veteran clubhouse presence; also, Cunningham is up with the big boys before he’s ready for action.

Heck, it’s already bad enough that two roster spots are wasted on an undersized third-string center (i.e., Jeff Pendergraph) and a diminutive waterbug (i.e., Patty Mills) — with both of whom being out indefinitely because of serious injuries to compound matters — as low-reward rookies just shouldn’t take up roster spots on a team with an alleged goal of making a deep playoff run this very season.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 2:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cunningham wouldn't be ready for action as a back-up in the NBA playoffs

But I think he can serve a role in spot minutes (8-10) during the regular season. There are some pretty weak back-up power forwards in the NBA today. And, considering that Cunningham will have Oden or Pryzbilla gobbling up rebounds while he plays, if Cunningham can simply be disciplined in blocking out, I don’t think he’d hurt the Blazers terribly in those minutes.

by PoliSam on Nov 16, 2009 7:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'm more ready to run with Dante Cunningham in the interim versus Juwan Howard. I ...

think it’s a tough break that Cunningham will be tossed to the wolves before he’s fully prepared, but I guess now is as good a time as any to get his feet wet. So, well, let’s all just sit back, relax, and hope for success.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 8:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

With Cunningham it's at least an intriguing gamble,

an interesting subplot to the game (at least initially). With Howard playing those minutes, I feel like I know what we are going to see. Howard will be in trouble against athletic, active fours, and will be a drain on the offensive end. The damage will be limited because Aldridge will be playing most of the minutes anyway. So, purely from an entertainment perspective, I’m hoping to see Cunningham get a shot.

by PoliSam on Nov 16, 2009 8:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You've now just about ruled out our entire bench

I don’t know what current NBA team is your model for a great bench, but you’ve just used the following adjectives for:

Joel: horrible, horrendous
Martel: mediocre, less than optimal (would get massacred)
Juwan: broken down pile of junk
DC: third stringer
Pendy: low reward third stringer
Patty: low reward
Outlaw: one dimensional
Bayless: gunner

Heck, even called Paul Allen a moron

An NBA bench isn’t put together with the greatest of care… it’s basically a few hopefulls and trade leftovers, and if you think most of the NBA wouldn’t love our leftovers and hopefulls you’re crazy.

by levelhed on Nov 16, 2009 8:07 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Well, you took some of my comments out of context. Regarding Joel Przybilla, I love the guy.

Heck, I’ve been one of Przybilla’s staunchest supporters for a while now — as I’d aruge he’s still the best backup center on defense in the NBA — however, the big guy just isn’t a viable option in a “Twin Tower” lineup with Greg Oden at the pivot.

With Oden and Przybilla out there together, the offense would bog down and stagnate. Opposing teams would be smart to employ a 2-3 zone defense and clog the lane. That way, neither Oden nor Przybilla could establish post position on the low block; additionally, Brandon Roy nor Andre Miller would have driving lanes to operate any iso sets. Basically, the offensive flow would totally disintegrate into Roy chucking a contested long-range jumper or kicking over to the 3 stationed on the weakside for a corner three-pointer as a last resort.

Also, I’m pretty apathetic toward Martell Webster on the whole; however, he should never see a second of action at the 4. In that situation, he’d be killed on both sides of the ball. I assume that most people agree with me, as an excessively undersized small ball lineup wouldn’t the way to win games.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
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by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 8:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

excessively undersized small ball lineup wouldn’t the way to win games.

unless you’re playing Larry Brown and he runs a small lineup out there, like he did the other night

Don Nelson would be another coach who would lick his chops if Nate went real small, imagine Webster trying to check Corey Magette…ouchie

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by two4larue on Nov 16, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Like Webster trying to check Melo?

worked pretty good, that night. It was Roy and Rudy that failed miserably in shutting down Melo. Webster was pretty good. Maggette is no Melo.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 16, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

worked pretty good?

Melo got warmed up on Webster and destroyed Roy to the tune of 41 points that night. If Martell was “the answer” to containing Anthony, why didn’t Nate put him on the Nugget’s forward down the stretch

Magette can lower his shoulder and get to the FT on anybody. Sure, Webster is a better “option” than Brandon against physical forwards like these, but that doesn’t make him a good choice to play “emergency” PF

“Hey, the small lineup is working!What, now Outlaw is hurt? I know…lets go even smaller!” It’s guaranteed at some point Nate is going to see “diminishing returns” with this philosophy

Like, in about 2 hours from now?

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by two4larue on Nov 16, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No

Webster defended Anthony very well that game. And he would defend Maggette as well as anyone on the team if he brings that same effort. LMA has trouble with Maggette.

Nate didn’t put Martell on Anthony because Rudy was on fire, and he wanted Rudy and Roy in the game at the wings.

That 41 points was not on Martell. And the fact that he did score 22 in the first 3 quarters is not indicative of poor defense, either. It’s indicative of a superstar who was very hot. The stat line doesn’t always tell the story.

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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I watched the same game

To say Webster is the “best” defensive option against Melo is faint praise…Martell is simply the best choice of various poor alterntatives

Marty, I knew Nico Batum, and you sir are no Nico Batum

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by two4larue on Nov 17, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Greg and Joel play together

it will either be in a zone, or with Greg defending the PF and Joel defending the center.

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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 6:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

On defense, a 1-2-2 zone or a 3-2 zone would be how to use a Greg Oden and Joel Przybilla frontline.

http://www.coachesclipboard.net/122zonedefense.html

Neither one of them can effectively defend the 4 on defense, though, so playing man-to-man defensively would be a bad idea if they’re out there together on the court. At any rate, though, the main worry with the "Twin Tower" frontline of Oden and Przybilla is with respect to offense, as Oden is a 100% pivotman and Przybilla can literally do only one thing adequately at the 4 (i.e., set pulverizing screens up top). All things considered, they should never be on the court at the same time.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It would depend on the PF

Greg could defend some 4s, especially backups.

But yes, I would expect a 3-2 zone probably, that was my first mention. You could run it for five minutes.

If I were to run them together for a few minutes a game, I’d have Joel setting high screens as you said, with Greg down on the block. But I’d also have Joel setting low screens on the weak side for Greg to flash across the key and get the ball in really deep.

And I’d run shooters (Rudy/Martell) off of double screens down low, etc.

I’m not saying you could run half a game, or even a quarter, very effectively with that front line, but you could run enough plays to generate some points. And they would get between 30 and 40% of offensive rebounds, and probably a few putbacks.

I’m guessing such a lineup would be so effective on interior defense that any offensive shortcomings would be worth it, at least for limited minutes. It may not be ideal, but as a stopgap for a few minutes a game for a couple months, it would probably work fine, if it weren’t for the foul trouble.

If we get through the first two and a half quarters without foul problems, we might see Nate run it out for a few minutes in the last part of the third quarter. We’ll see.

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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 8:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oden is a 100% pivotman

That’s what I’d like him to be, but Greg has shown the ability to make an open 8-10 footer, so if Greg/Joel were in the game together, Oden would be the better option to play “PF” on offense

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by two4larue on Nov 16, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

An 8 to 10 foot baseline jumper or baby hook is still a center shot. Oden wouldn't get deep ...

position on the low block in that case, but he’d still technically be playing the pivot. When Oden and Joel Przybilla are out there together, Przybilla would always be stationed at the high-post to set screens; though, the “Vanilla Gorilla” would go box out inside once someone puts a shot up in an attempt to grab an offensive rebound off a miss.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
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by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Webster- for a guy with a picture perfect jumpshot- can you get less good results?

Webster continues to be the guy that thinks too much. Wide open shots almost always fall off target, mainly because he can’t get his mind out of the way.

That is one area where Outlaw has proven valuable- hitting big shots and not afraid to take them.

by ralphzillo on Nov 16, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Webster's issues are also mechanical

for as pretty as his stroke is – he does not “square” to the basket consistently. The fact that he can compensate as much as he does and keep the ball relatively close is almost miraculous and a testament to his ability. Once he starts to square, you will see the ball drop better than 40% because direction is no longer part of the shot dynamic – just distance.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 16, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well I guess I'll be the first to bring it up...

but it’d be swell to have this guy right about now wouldn’t it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUYO2py-8JM

Good old Channing…

by abobo84 on Nov 16, 2009 7:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

thank you dave for seeming to be the only person in portland media

that understands that outlaw plays the majority of his minutes backing up aldridge. i’ve had to endure multiple days of people talking endlessly about rudy fernandez & martell webster who last i checked, are very unlikely to play the 4.

dwight jaynes and his group of merry dolts on Talking Ball talked forever about martell webster and whether he had shown enough to take travis’ minutes. Given that Travis plays like 6 or 7 minutes of small forward, who really cares who takes them?

clearly this injury means more aldridge and howard and means that the aldridge will have to watch his fouls on defense.

the change away from a 3 guard lineup might change the minutes situation of webster and fernandez but i see no reason why outlaw’s injury will have much effect on them.

by colinmarsh on Nov 16, 2009 7:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I may be mistaken

But I thought Nate actually played Martell at the 4 for a couple minutes against Charlotte. I hope we don’t see much of that, this small ball stuff can get out of hand.

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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 8:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that was a reaction to Larry Brown

I doubt Nate would’ve made the lineup change to Martell at the “4” if LB hadn’t started subbing guards in for his forwards, first

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by two4larue on Nov 16, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great review

I completely agree that the biggest change is Aldridge getting more minutes.

I guess I’m one of the few people that thinks that Dante Cunningham might get a chance and do just fine with it on a limited basis. If Aldridge is playing 38-40 minutes, Cunningham will have the energy and athleticism to do some useful things in 8 to 10 minutes of action.

Of course, the more conservative and, thus, more likely move is to have Howard take those minutes. He might do fine as well. I just personally like the idea of going with the energetic Cunningham rather than the savvy, but somewhat slow Howard.

by PoliSam on Nov 16, 2009 8:04 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

It's interesting that the name "Frye" is not on this page

Lots of arguments about trading for a backup 4, consolidating talent, yada yada yada.

First of all, you can’t predict who will get injured. Secondly, who were the available 4s that were really good, willing to come off the bench as a backup for a guy who usually plays 30+ minutes, and had reasonable contract expectations, as FAs or trade bait? I don’t recall too many that we didn’t actively pursue. Brandon Bass? Paul Milsap? David Lee? We let Frye walk. Would you give back Andre Miller and have Bayless as our #2 PG, with no one behind him?

Travis is an important part of our success, and we’ll do fine without him for a couple months. Juwan Howard is better than he’s getting credit for, and I think he would be actually a great fit with Oden at the 5. He’s already show himself to be one of the best on the team at the post entry pass. Dante has every bit as good of a chance to be this year’s Nic Batum. Don’t forget the guy was a 4-year college player.

It is funny to me that it seemed like 90% of the people here thought the team would be better off without Travis, and now all freaking out because we lost him.

by superfly05 on Nov 16, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes!
Howard …would be actually a great fit with Oden at the 5. He’s already show himself to be one of the best on the team at the post entry pass.

We haven’t seen Juwan and Greg on the floor together much, since the preseason, and it’s not going to be “easy” to get these two on the floor at the same time as a “planned rotation” (due to Oden’s intermittent foul trouble) but it’s definitely worth trying to get more easy baskets for Greg off of slick interior passes from Howard

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by two4larue on Nov 16, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was kinda surprised

when I read that Aldridge has averaged only 31 mpg so far this year.

Given his overall importance to the team (not to mention his recently inked big $$ deal) you’d think that he’d have already seen significantly more floor time than that.

So I went over to NBA.com and checked out his game log. After looking it over, I concluded that the 31 mpg average is somewhat misleading. Here’s what I noticed:

In five of the ten games, Aldridge logged 36 minutes or more. In the other five games, his minutes were limited due to injury (1 game: OKC, 12 mins); foul trouble (2 games: Houston, 24 mins; SA; 34 minutes); being taken out in garbage time of blowout losses (2 games: MINN, 25 mins each)

In other words, it doesn’t look like Aldridge’s limited minutes was the result of any conscious decision by the coaches to shift more of his floor time to Travis or anyone else. My sense is that if Aldridge had been able to play in the games where he was limited by injury or foul trouble – or if he was needed in the two blowouts against the T-Wolves – then his mpg average would be a lot closer to the 38 or 40 that Dave suggests in his post.

So my guess is that he’ll continue to be used exactly as he’s been used in the first ten games. The question then becomes: Who does Nate turn to at the 4 when Aldridge gets into foul trouble or worse? If the answer to that is Juwan Howard (who I’ve never liked), then I’d say that Portland has a potentially serious problem at power forward.

by knickfan on Nov 16, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

good point

When folks say “LMA has only been playing 31 mpg, so all Nate needs to do is play him 38-40 to ‘make up’ for most of Travis’ backup PF minutes” they’re missing the point.

The real problem is…what is Potland going to do on the nights when LMA can’t play 36 minutes? It’s not like he’s a robot

another backup 4/5 is an urgent need

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by two4larue on Nov 16, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Put in DeJuan Blair!

Oh, yeah, I forgot, he’s too injury-prone so we didn’t take him.

Okay, I’m going to let go of the bitterness now.

by Kaboomm on Nov 16, 2009 10:16 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Dave...wow. Have you been sneaking into the junk drawer?
what is Outlaw’s job description? If you said, “Score, baby!” you’re onto at least two-thirds of it. What would LaMarcus dearly love the chance to do more of? If you said, “Score, baby!” then you’ve just quoted my first six girlfriends after we…uhhh…I mean you’ve just described Aldridge’s Christmas Wish List.

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by prezofdeath on Nov 16, 2009 10:17 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nice work, Dave, as usual--

but, 6 weeks is an unrealistic expectation of Outlaw’s return. Is this based on some new information that I may have missed? The Blazers’ medical staff has no credibility, and 6 weeks is just some number pulled out of their a…. hat for a press release. Will we see Travis before April? Before next October?

Regardless, Aldridge picking up the majority of the minutes and scoring would be great. Maybe he can turn on the burn like he did late last season.

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by RenoBlazerFan on Nov 16, 2009 1:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

From what I understand, healing time depends on where on the bone the fracture occurred

The fact that Martell needed surgery and had a screw inserted leads me to think that the fracture was at the base of the bone, a spot that is notorious for being slow to heal. Fractures at other spots have different timelines.

Hopefully, Outlaw’s break was in a different spot and he doesn’t need surgery.

by Corvid on Nov 16, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

THE answer

Allen Iverson. Hello, earth, it’s history. Not irrelevent fluff drama revolving around AI’s soundbytes, attitude assessment, etc. Allen Iverson is one of the best to ever play the game, and reports of his skills declining rapidly at grizzled age of 34 are largely exaggerated by his many loudmouth detractors.
AI is one of the most maligned atheletes of this generation. Practice IS a joke compared to game analysis — such microcriticisms are kindergarten-level in both maturity and intellectual purpose.
Is Iverson a selfish, team-cancer, in helpless denial about playing second or third fiddle . . maybe a little . . like virtually every person who succeeds in pro sports. It’s a valid concern, but I would put it way down my list of priorities when evaluating talent.
No doubt, AI CAN change the balance of power significantly by going to a contender — THIS IS THE IDEAL SITUATION AND OPPORTUNITY FOR IVERSON IN PORTLAND.

Travis was our #2 clutch scorer, and now he’s gone for most of the season. I love LaMarcus, but he hasn’t served that role nearly as much as Outlaw. I think Travis has been a big part of our recent success, and we will suffer in his absence — scoring.
Michael Jordan & Wilt Chamberlain aren’t available, but nobody seems to want that cornrowed devil sitting at #3 . . . frankly, I think at least a dozen GMs should burn for missing this boat.
KP, you are the man, no question.
Answer my prayers, please, and sign Allen Iverson.
Q: How do we separate above the other contender’s?
A: Certainly not Jerry Stackhouse, but that’s close in a way . .

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