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Outlaw's injury a chance to learn

Injuries are one of the worst parts of sports. If your starting quarterback goes out in an NFL game, your team is almost guaranteed to lose. A key member of your basketball rotation goes out and everyone's role shifts, upsetting the balance teams work so hard to achieve. In these cases, and more, my reaction is almost always a physical one.  I feel it in my gut. My heart sinks. I fret over something I cannot change. But when I saw Travis Outlaw limping to the locker room, and when I heard the dreaded words, "We've got news on Travis' injury, and it's not good," I felt something between nothing and a tinge of excitement. I wanted to spend a few minutes exploring why that is.


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Now before all the self-righteous folks storm in here telling me I'm a horrible person for feeling anything but bad when another person is injured, especially when it could effect their livelihood, I'd ask you all to park that stuff somewhere else. I'm looking at this purely from a basketball standpoint, and it's effect on the Blazers. I don't claim to know Travis as a person. I know him as a player on my favorite team. 

With that in mind, I will admit that I have never been an Outlaw enthusiast. He's a guy that often stops of the flow of an offense, takes ill-advised shots (that he admittedly makes at an alarming rate), and plays with inconsistent effort and energy, especially on defense. For all the times that we've seen Travis win us a game with his clutch shooting, you'd think I'd at least feel good about what he contributes. But no matter how many times he wins us a game (opening night this season, for example), I shudder just a little every time he checks into a game.

The things he really brings to the team (3P shooting, unguardable jump shooting, clutch scoring) are tempered by the things he takes away (offensive flow, rebounding, ball security, good shot selection).

His status as Brandon Roy's BFF also plays a role in my reaction to his going down. Whether it is true or not, I often feel like Travis is still around because of his relationship to Roy. As much as I like Roy, I don't think any player should have that much influence over assembling the right team to win a championship. If the team were to trade Outlaw, my instinct is that Roy would sulk a bit. Now, with Travis injured, we all get to see what this team looks like without him ahead of his impending free agency. Should we actually play better, it will be much harder for Roy to bash the front office if they don't resign Outlaw.

Outlaw's injury also opens the door for playing time for other players, all of which I'd like to see more of. Those folks include Rudy Fernandez, Juwan Howard, and even Dante Cunningham. It may even influence Jerryd Bayless' playing time. At first glance, Outlaw is a SF/PF, but he is also a scorer off the bench. Jerryd may be asked to fill in some of those points. 

Potential plays a role in my reaction as well. Travis is what he is. He is not on his way to bigger or different things. His game has not changed much in the past three seasons. I feel strongly that we are not getting the most out of Rudy Fernandez or Jerryd Bayless yet. I don't think we've seen the best they have to offer. Dante Cunningham may give us some of Outlaw's jump shooting, but from within the offense and with better defense and rebounding. Howard will be a superior rebounder and more more reliable with the ball in his hands, while also making other people on the floor better (e.g., Oden). There are 20+ minutes that will go elsewhere now.

We might not get any of those things, but that's the point. I don't know. We may find out that this team lost a key player last night, and even that would be a good thing. It may allow us to avoid a potential mistake we'd make by letting Outlaw walk in the off-season. This injury allows us to experience LAT (Life After Travis) without committing to it.

I'm looking forward to learning what this team looks like for the next 4-8 weeks.

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I too am looking forward to this.

I think that we are going to be just fine. I don’t see us resigning him in the off season because they are going to have to keep money to sign G.O. long term. You don’t pay double money for a guy like Travis. You just don’t.

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by newbergfan on Nov 15, 2009 8:45 AM PST reply actions  

Outlaw has always had more up side than he has shown, you can sometime get glances of it.

But he has never given you a good look at all he’s able to do. If one remembers his age is only 2 years out of collage so he could be alot better player than so many (including you) see but then again he has been a basketball player in the NBA for 6 years so he should have put together a knowledge that with his physical skills he should be crashing the boards, my god can he jump! Defense, yes when he wants. Yet somehow he seems to be only offensely minded, get the ball and shoot or 1 drible shoot. Maybe this down time could be filled with film showing him of what he should be doing. Some coaching to get in his head! Really it’s BBIQ which is his worst part of his game. He can do everything, except put it all together. I also wonder whether or not contract talks should go on at this time with him as, unfortunately for him his value has taken a dive with this injury? Anyway I believe in Outlaws up-side if he would only turn on to what he can and should do on a daily basis.

by prof.mike on Nov 15, 2009 9:33 AM PST reply actions  

knew it was coming

no injury could have prevented the inevitable “who cares about Outlaw the person?” reaction. I doubt anyone is going to argue other guys are going to get their opp to fill in the void left by Travis’ injury. Whoever that may be- best of luck. What I think (and hope) is going to happen is maybe a few dissenting eyes will be opened when the team is looking for that scoring option off the 2nd unit that isn’t there and the “I wish we had Travis in there” sentiment begins to surface.
Because his game is less multidimensional then others, it’s always going to cause the fault finders and finger pointers to look away from his strengths and point out his weaknesses. I remain convinced Travis provides a valuable piece to the PTB puzzle and regret it may take a prolonged absence from injury to really understand why Nate has faith in Travis and puts him out on the floor, often late in games.

One other thing I feel compelled to bring up yet again, is the discounting of chemistry as an element of success. How can anyone who followed the team thru the disastrous chemistry experiments of the past not understand the importance of assembling a team that believes in each other, gets along together and has strong characters? Maybe Travis and Brandon being good friends isn’t the biggest deal on the planet,but they are both outstanding character athletes, and that is vitally important to not only the teams success, but has been vital in re-invigorating the once disenfranchised fanbase. I love this team. I believe in them. So much that winning at all costs isn’t as important as having total respect for them, which I do.

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by bow4meow on Nov 15, 2009 9:41 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

I think you may have missed my point

The only way we’re really going to understand Travis’ value to this team is for us to be without him. I go into this trial period believing we will find that we are as good, if not better, without him. Travis is not a player of zero value. Far from it. There are games we will lose that Travis would have won for us. There are games we will win that Travis would have lost for us. If last night was any indication, we’re going to miss him in a big way.

I’m also not discounting chemistry. I’m a huge believer in it. I also think nepotism can be damaging, causing people to look past flaws or opportunities for improvement in favor of supporting friends/family/familiarity.

I want the Blazers to be the best team in the NBA. I am simply admitting that I don’t know if we are closer to that team with Travis, or without him.

Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!

by hawkblogger on Nov 15, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

makes more sense

the “tinge of excitement” about the injury news soured my perspective.

I don’t believe nepotism is at work here. At least I’m not believing Travis deserves special treatment because of his relationship with Roy. He is a great role player, off the bench and fits a niche on the team. I just don’t see any implied priviledge.

Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.

by bow4meow on Nov 15, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I can understand that

I tried to explain that comment below a little better. I’m not excited about Travis being out as much as I’m excited to see what the team looks like without him (if that makes any sense). I’m looking forward to seeing Nate being forced to play other players at crunch time and learning more about what this team has to offer.

Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!

by hawkblogger on Nov 15, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

And read this...

From Jason Quick’s article this morning:

When asked how he was going to handle Outlaw’s extended absence, coach Nate McMillan chuckled, “I don’t know,” before his voice cracked a bit with emotion.

“I just feel so bad for (Outlaw),” coach Nate McMillan said, emphasizing the word “bad.” “He was doing some good things, and all of the sudden this happens. We don’t know how long he is going to be out, but it’s going to be a while. It’s just an unfortunate situation.”

Tell me that doesn’t sound like a coach who favors this player. If Rudy went out with a similar injury, would Nate’s voice be cracking with emotion? Would he feel that bad?

Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!

by hawkblogger on Nov 15, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

That seems like a reach

Trying to infer internal motivations from that. Travis is very well liked, and though his improvements have been evolutionary and measured, he has gotten better every year. I’m glad that this delays the inevitable mutiny over minutes, though.

by Sound_Automatic on Nov 15, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a Jason Quick report, so discount the melodramatic "voice cracking with emotion"....................

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Nov 15, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a Jason Quick report, so discount the melodramatic "voice cracking with emotion"....................

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Nov 15, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I heard the interview. His voice didn't sound like it was

cracking with emotion but he was very concerned and felt really bad for
Travis.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Nov 15, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

it IS a contract year

and as a former player he knows how bad this injury could affect Travis’ future earnings.
aside from liking him as a person

by GreatOden'sRaven on Nov 15, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

The big problem with you analysis

is that you seem to suggest that any changes (improvement) in the way the team now plays is attributable to “no
Travis”…. NOW we can see how we to WITHOUT TRAVIS.
Well gee, there are an awful lot of other significant variables operating here that have nothing to do with Travis in the lineup. I think the team is highly likely to get better as they play together, in particular due to Greg avoiding fouls, getting his offense going and Andre getting integrated into the lineup, rotations getting settled… that’s going to have a lot more influence on our play than Travis getting any minutes..
Alternatively, our schedule has been soft for this winning streak. If we loose at Atlanta, is that because Travis is out?
I doubt you would buy that argument.
So, going to be pretty tough to make a definitive case on Travis due to the injury. We do have a lot of depth, and capable guys given opportunities do have a way of stepping up. I actually expect us to get better with or without Travis. Maybe when Travis comes back, we will see if he is a help. But really, playing time is going to help any player, and this injury will hurt Travis’ game, just like it would any player. The thing is, it is not like Travis has a dominant role on the team coming off the bench. He does improve over time. It us up to the coaching staff to use him wisely and help him grow where he needs. His athleticism is a great asset that cannot be taught..
Blaming any following team success or failure on Travis out of the lineup is probably not going to change many minds about him, unless there is some miraculous transformation.
I understand you don’t wish an injury on him, you just want to see a different lineup. Our depth can save he this time. But we now have less.

"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener

by Berkeley on Nov 15, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Point taken

but I think representing the opposite point of view that we won’t learn anything from travis being out is wrong as well. we’ve all watched the team for years. it won’t be hard to notice differences. It also won’t be hard to notice if the bench has trouble scoring, if the players who get more playing time play well during that extra time, or if players who normally would not play with travis around (howard and dante) are helping.

mainly, I’m trying to put a positive spin on an unfortunate situation. In my ideal world, we’d have travis, but just have him play less when he is not having a good shooting night. then, we’d have the best of all worlds.

Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!

by hawkblogger on Nov 15, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't go as far...

I can’t go as far as to say I’m looking forward to life without Outlaw, or seeing what life without Outlaw is going to be like, in competition I think you want every available asset you can have, and like him, or dislike him, Outlaw has shown that he can contribute significantly on any given night, in any given game. Up to this point I thought Outlaw was having his best season.

Now that being said, you do make some good points. All summer long, into this season the talk has been about how ridiculously deep this team was, how we could never keep everyone happy. Well you certainly can look at this as opportunity, it is opportunity to see who can and will step up to fill the void.

We just lost a lot potential bench scoring. That means everyone is going to need to step up from Rudy to Bayless and Howard. I am curious to see how this team reacts. This should mean increased opportunity across the board.

Even though the other day I posted (Pre-Travis Injury) about the idea of The Blazers making a consolidating trade in the future, once again this season has unfolded in a totally unpredictable manner. Coming into this season it would of been unrealistic to believe we would progress through the entire season without injuries but just a few months ago would you of believed we would be less than 15 games into the season and already not have Outlaw or Batum?

It’s the old cliche, adversity or opportunity or both.

There have already been nights when nothing seemed to be working for The Blazers and Outlaw came in and became our offense. I’m sure we are going to have stretches where that happens again, and now it will be up to Rudy, Howard, and others to all step up,

No, I guess I’m indifferent about Outlaw, which might be rare in The Blazer world of fandom. I like having bench players that have the skills and talent to change a game and make a difference, and I would define Outlaw in that manner. So I see Outlaw as being an important if not “vital” part of this team. I also know the knocks against Outlaw, his defensive weaknesses and his ON or OFF offensive game, but on this team as deep as it was, I thought this was something The Blazers could deal with. The other odd thing I was sensing from Outlaw this season was IMO almost a newfound level of maturity. When we were losing, Outlaw was the player that seemed the most level headed, he did not panic. He’s a young guy, but he’s been playing in the N.B.A. a long time now, and I thought it was begining to show, in a good way.

So Yes, I agree his injury leads to exploring new looks and line-ups. I agree it’s increased opportunity for our deep….but getting more and more shallow, bench. It is a chance to learn but at least on some nights, I’m afraid what we might learn is that losing Outlaw and Batum hurts.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Nov 15, 2009 10:05 AM PST reply actions  

Well said

I think indifferent is a great description of how I feel about Outlaw the player. Some of my frustration has not been with him as a player, but how Nate uses him. When Vinny “The Microwave” Johnson was shooting well, he played over 30 mins a game for the great Pistons teams. When he was off, his playing time was reduced. Everyone knew his role.

Travis could be having one of his 4-15 shooting games, taking terrible shots at terrible times and Nate would leave him in there time and again at critical parts of the game. If Travis was just a hired gun who was ridden when he was hot and sitting when he was not, I’d be a huge fan. A big part of my excitement is seeing Nate forced to explore other options on his bench, and seeing who steps up.

Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!

by hawkblogger on Nov 15, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I feel bad for him as a person and his professional career, but then again

These next several weeks will be a good chance to see how the Blazers look without him on the court. It was likely that the Blazers were going to let him go at the end of the season anyway due to salary cap issues and I’ve always felt that Travis was a highly inconsistent player in what he gave the team night in and night out. For a bad team trying to get to respectable, volatility in performance from a player like Travis can help beat a team they normally wouldn’t beat. However, when you have a good team like the Blazers do now trying to get to contender status, that volatility works against you and can cause you to lose to teams that have no business beating you.

by BootStrapper on Nov 15, 2009 11:17 AM PST reply actions  

the blazers won't miss a beat

but Outlaw is really, really good. If he had spent ages 18-20 being The Man at Ole Miss or something, he’d be an all-star in the NBA now. Instead, he learned how to be a role-player. Imagine if Brandon Roy had stayed in the Draft in 2002? He probably wouldn’t be half of what Outlaw is.

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on Nov 15, 2009 11:21 AM PST reply actions  

That is a crazy argument.

That says that players don’t grow in the NBA. You get better with better competition. Travis got better competition from the Jail Blazers than he would have at the college level. Face it Travis is who Travis is. He is a good shooter at times and the guy you wish would be guy number 15 on the depth chart other days. He is over used by Nate and that is a Nate coaching issue. I used to get angry about Travis’ play but I realized that he is who he is. I personally don’t like him on the team I root for. Sadly he is. But his over use is all on Nate. I highly doubt that had we taken Travis after a senior year of college not high school that he would still be on this team. Travis has financially gained greatly because the people in Portland and the Management of the Blazers have been kind to him. He can be the greatest person in the world but I only care about what he does on the court. Question… After a decade of playing for the Blazers will you Travis homers finally say he never really had the ceiling that you have said he has. Because that time is coming soon!

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by newbergfan on Nov 15, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

That's not crazy

I feel Travis would have developed differently had he gone to a college where fundamentals were stressed. He got little PT his first couple seasons in Portland. Practicing with the knuckleheads he was brought into the fold with would not have provided the same instruction to detail a good college coach would have instilled. I think clearly Travis is a guy who has gotten by primarily on his super-freakish athletic ability. Add three or four years of college hoops grooming to his repertoire and you’d have a much more rounded player.

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by bow4meow on Nov 15, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Correct, He did not get a lot of playing time in his first two years. He was able to practice on his fundamentals just like Bayless is doing now. I would say that Bayless is better off working with professional coaches in stead of the new coaching staff at Arizona. Guys that jsut try to get by on their “freakish athletic ability” very rarely become that amazing All Star guy in year eight. Shawn Kemp and Darius Miles come to mind when the terms jump out of the building ability. I think Outlaw is a better person than these too but athleticly he is similar.

Bring back Franz Bread Cards!

by newbergfan on Nov 15, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I think were I differ in opinion

would be the assumption that there’s a major difference in skill building as a 3-4 year college stud from a college coach vested in teaching game fundamentals versus the amount of learning that can be gleaned off running the floor during practice scrums with care-less veterans and coaches who expect NBA players to be ready to play at that level. How often do guys labeled “projects” really work out in the association? Travis was fortunate to land in Portland where he could be brought along at his own pace, that pace being one many fans argue has been fast enough.

Although Travis is an incredible athlete, he was no way near as ready to step on the floor and compete at the level of your aforementioned.

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by bow4meow on Nov 16, 2009 7:53 AM PST up reply actions  

it's not about fundamentals

It’s about role. Travis Outlaw’s role is not to be the start – he’s never experienced (or been asked to find out) what it takes to be the number one guy on the team – the guy who always makes the right decision, who always runs the play right, who can be counted on 100%. Brandon Roy was that player by the time he finished at UW and was part of a line of guys who filled that role (before him, it was Will Conroy and Nate Rob). Brandon Roy LEARNED how to be a star player not only physically, but mentally. Travis Outlaw never learned that skill.

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on Nov 17, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

#25

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- Mortimer

by Clevelander among roses on Nov 15, 2009 11:49 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

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#25

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Nov 15, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I am happy that the Inferno will have an opportunity this season to strut his stuff and I am happy that Rex will have a continued opportunity to get some minutes...

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by timbo on Nov 15, 2009 2:52 PM PST reply actions  

Outlaw by my reckoning has not had a very good season thus far,

and the most I want out of him is what he accomplished two years ago. 13 pts/gm is a very reasonable number for a 6th man.

It’s still early, but Travis has shot 1/8, 1/8 and even 1/9… and those are just unhelpful, bad numbers. Now, the entire team seems to be shooting rather poorly — other than Oden — but this is what Outlaw is good for, when he’s good.

Batum may or may not have been better on offense than he was last year, but so far Martell has rarely made a meaningful basket and seems unreliable even when shooting wide-open 3s. He’s scored most of his points in garbage time.

So I’m hoping that Rudy comes on — because once again this year, whatever Nate says about Travis playing PF, he only does so on offense, to create mismatches — basically he’s just playing F. Juwan Howard is not going to fill his shoes.

Maybe Dante Cunningham will show something. I would love to see it. Can he play any kind of D? Will he ever extend his range from the elbow out to the 3 pt line? We’ll probably find out.

But what I anticipate is a lot more Rudy Fernandez. Maybe this is just what Rudy needs. I like Rudy (who doesn’t?), and if playing him more and giving him more responsibility means that Brandon essentially slides over to play an undersized SF then OK, that seems like an acceptable experiment… at least in the short-term.

More Bayless also may work out well. Accentuate the positives each of these players bring while seeking to conceal or hide their negative attributes. That’s how Ralph Miller coached Oregon State with great success for many years. If you could shoot a corner jumper at a very high percentage but make little else — that might be the only shot we might ever see you take.

Yes, of course the rest of this season will be educational. Hard times are always “interesting” and educational. When the Chinese say “May you live in interesting times” this is a curse.

I hope the Trailblazers’ season doesn’t get too much more interesting than it already is.

ignacio

by ignacio on Nov 15, 2009 5:16 PM PST reply actions  

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