Travis Outlaw Suffers Stress Fracture in Left Foot
by Ben. on Nov 14, 2009 5:12 PM PST
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From the Blazers...
Travis Outlaw has a stress fracture of the 5th metatarsal bone in his left foot. He'll return to Portland to be further evaluated. He is out indefinitely.
The injury was suffered during the first half of tonight's game against the Charlotte Bobcats as Outlaw attempted to defend Gerald Wallace.
Martell Webster fractured the same bone last season.
Through 10 games, Outlaw was third on the team in scoring with 10.9 points per game. He also averaged 3.8 rebounds and 0.8 assists in 23 minutes a game.
Outlaw's absence will likely be filled by a number of players. Look for veteran Juwan Howard to earn more playing time at the backup power forward spot with rookie Dante Cunningham possibly earning some minutes as well.
Wings Rudy Fernandez and Martell Webster will also likely see their playing time increase. Fernandez, who has seen his minutes cut from last year (from 25 mpg down to 20 mpg), might wind up as the biggest beneficiary with Nate McMillan looking for off-the-bench offense that Outlaw provided.
This is a particularly tough blow for Outlaw given that he is currently in a contract year.
Update: Jason Quick speculates...
Webster suffered his initial fracture in October and didn't return until December. In Webster's first game back he broke the same bone in the same place and missed the rest of the season.
Figuring Outlaw has the same timeline of Webster's initial injury - six-to-eight weeks - he figures to return around mid-January, a span of around 29 games.
Update (10:30PM): A longer update from Jason Quick here...
"He had been complaining about his foot for a couple of games now," Roy said of his best friend. "So I was like, 'Trav, you sure you don't have a stress fracture?'"
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The team's top reserve and primary backup power forward is expected to be out for six to eight weeks, which translates to mid-January. If he returns in exactly eight weeks, he will miss 29 games.
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Outlaw with the Martell injury… That’s no good.
by Aaron Sass on Nov 14, 2009 5:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
well, now we get to see how important Travis really is to what the Blazers do
hopefully it’s not as serious of an injury as Martell’s was
Honor Jordan, Retire #45
by The Arkitect on Nov 14, 2009 5:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Totally agreed. I guess we can think of this as a "Trial Separation"
Fans have been trying to trade Trout for as long as I have been coming to this site. Now we get to taste what life would be like without Catfish.
I have always been ambivalent about Trout. I give him credit for production, scoring in crunch time, and being a walking mismatch. On the other hand I hate his defensive lapses, lackadaisical rebounding, and inefficient offense.
Maybe we will get counseling and discover that we still love Trout and need to work on the relationship, or maybe we will discover that we are happy to have him out of the house and grateful that he isn’t leaving his socks on the floor.
by upper left corner on Nov 15, 2009 7:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's amazing how poor of a rebounder he is
given that he’s listed at 6’9" and can jump out of the gym. Poor positioning? Lack of desire?
by torsoheap on Nov 15, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Likely combination of both plus lack of girth
by xedubx on Nov 15, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Poor positioning, lack of desire, lack of girth...
somebody should get Dr. Drew on the case, stat!
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by BlazersOrBust on Nov 15, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Charles Barkley says
Big butts = big rebounders
by Twith on Nov 16, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Charles Barkley says
Big butts = big rebounders
by Twith on Nov 16, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And he would know
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
by jamon51 on Nov 16, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Poor Travis.
Contract year.
Get well soon Outlaw!
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Nov 14, 2009 5:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bright side
Y’all can sign TO for only 3 million per…unless some other team offers more.
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway
by LACK on Nov 14, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he doomed himself...
Perhaps now he won’t be “paid like out of this world.”
by gravybucket on Nov 14, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully this injury isn't karma for Chris Paul's injury.
Travis wasn’t involved with that play, but perhaps karma doesn’t care.
Will Portland sign another dude to fill his role or make do with Howard and Cunningham?
by torsoheap on Nov 14, 2009 5:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Karma is nothing but gibberish spouted by New Age nutjobs.
Anyway, Portland’s weak frontline depth may come back to hurt it. Call me a negative nelly or whatever, but a washed-up Juwan Howard and an untested Dante Cunningham aren’t the solution at the backup 4 spot.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 14, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Alright fine. Ruin my joke.
I’m sure Portland will scour the free agents for somebody a bit more serviceable than a has-been and a rookie.
by torsoheap on Nov 14, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pops Mensah-Bonsu, who's superior to Juwan Howard, just hit the waiver wire.
Howard has an in with the organization via Larry Miller, though, so I’m sure he isn’t going anywhere.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 14, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's on the waiver wire?
If Denver doesn’t get them, I’ll be so angry.
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway
by LACK on Nov 14, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Portland's got 15 guys under contract. No room for anyone else.
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by timbo on Nov 14, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
they could always waive someone right? What’s Patty Mills done for us lately?
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 14, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
I was thinking of the NFL where you could put a dude on IR.
by torsoheap on Nov 14, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Patty Mills has no business being on this team.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 14, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that many left
Desmond Mason is washed up. Kleiza and Childress are in Europe.
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway
by LACK on Nov 14, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my karma ran ova your dogma
lol… i kill me…
get well soon Outlaw!
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 14, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don't be offensive, AK.
Karma isn’t what your “new age nutjobs” call it, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a concept worth believing in. Slam the twisted interpretation if you want, but don’t insult the beliefs of over 2 billion people (hinduism and buddhism) by saying it’s crap.
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by premthegrem on Nov 15, 2009 12:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh, I look down on all forms of religion and spirituality. So, well, it's only fair that I divvy out my ...
disdain among groups other than just Christians, Jews, and Muslims. Yes, I’m being a bit sarcastic and whatnot. There’s truth in humor, though.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 15, 2009 12:35 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Now all you have to do is be funny.
Although the nutjob comment did have me chuckling.
As for the topic, I don’t consider myself to be New Age anything, but whether you call it karma, the Golden Rule, do unto others as you would have done unto you or a simple what goes around comes around, I tend to believe the concept as a valid one to follow. If you think it’s garbage, well, it doesn’t bother me any. Could be you are right and if you are not, well, things will probably take care of themselves.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 16, 2009 5:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying
that if he’s wrong, karma or the Golden Rule will catch up to him?
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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 7:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol at lack of frontline depth
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 15, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depth is bad.
Leads to minutes crunch, which causes uphappiness among the players.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 16, 2009 5:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Batum out, Outlaw Out
So much for having a logjam at the SF position.
"Rudy is not everyday a shooter," Fernandez said. "He's defense. He's passes. He's assists."
by jebuz on Nov 14, 2009 5:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
THIN THE HERD!
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by jscot on Nov 14, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
is now a good time to consolidate?/s
I get the paper, so I don't care!
by Name's Ash on Nov 15, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rotten luck for Trav
Otherworldly compensation now a longshot.
Martell and Rudy are really going to have to step up. I have a feeling we are going to be seeing some really weird lineups, especially a lot more of Joel and Greg on the floor at the same time.
Hopefully this is an opportunity for Cunningham to show something.
by AndrewD on Nov 14, 2009 5:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Here's why I've dwelled on Portland's poor frontline depth, as Juwan Howard getting minutes scares me.
Unfortunately for Travis Outlaw, he’s more valuable to the Portland Trail Blazers as a contract over an on-court asset at this point. Now, I’m not sure how Outlaw’s foot injury will affect his short-term future, although I’ve got to believe that this is the beginning of the end regarding his tenure in Portland.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 14, 2009 5:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good thing we have Patty Mills.
Hinrich is looking pretty great in a three guard lineup right about now.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 14, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Portland could get away with a three-guard lineup if Kirk Hinrich was here over Steve Blake.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 14, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It really solves EVERYTHING.
Too bad the Bulls are playing pretty well.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 14, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, sure wish we had Chicago's won - loss record.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 16, 2009 5:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve got to believe that this is the beginning of the end regarding his tenure in Portland.
That’s funny, I see it as the opposite. Before the injury TO had trade value, because he was a scoring forward with an expiring contract. Now, he’s just an EC with a bad foot. KP isn’t going to get fair value for him at the deadline, so #25 will finish out the season rehabbing n Portland. Come July, Outlaw won’t get nearly the lucrative offer he was expecting, and may have to “settle” for a Webster-like deal to remain with Portland.
One thing’s for sure, this injury pretty much closes the door for any major deals. KP is not going to trade Przy, Blake or Miller, and he’s got no assets left that he can get a decent return for. Obviously you can’t anticipate injuries, but unless Pendergraph can return and contribute, KP has a roster that is very thin at the backup PF position, and his best remaining “piece” to upgrade the frontline was just removed from the chessboard
I hate to say it (again) but this is why you take a chance on DeJuan Blair, when he falls into your lap in the 2nd round
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by two4larue on Nov 14, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you take a chance on the injury prone guy
in case there is an injury?
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 14, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sometimes a double-negative becomes a positive
Blair was the perceived injury “risk” but the always-healthy guys (Pendergraph, Outlaw) are now out. The Blazers are one more injury away from 2009-2010 being labeled a snakebit season
Of course, there’s no guarantee that DJB would’ve remained healthy is KP had drafted him instead of Pend/‘Ham. The only injury “fortune” Portland’s had since August has been buzzard’s luck. OTOH, they’ve won 6 games in a row with a 3-guard starting lineup…go figure
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by two4larue on Nov 14, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
them's the bones
or so they say.
The sidebar to the left says
Blazers F Travis Outlaw Out Indefinitely With Stress Fracture In Foot
Chris Paul Sprains Ankle In Hornets’ 86-78 Loss To Blazers
Josh Howard Out Indefinitely; Mavs Still Won’t Pursue Steven Jackson
can’t predict that kinda thing
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 14, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
...steven jackson...
problem solved… and caused
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by In Walks Rudy on Nov 15, 2009 8:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you get dizzy running around in circles?
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by timg56 on Nov 16, 2009 5:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really agree
Some teams are looking to cut salary, so an EC is still valuable. And if Travis is back in two months, and playing, he’s probably about as tradeable as he was before the injury.
Teams know what he can do, and he doesn’t have a history of being injury prone. If he is out all year like Martell was, you are right, but that is by no means certain, or even likely.
Anyone know when Pendergraph is due back?
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 14, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if Travis is back in two months
I refuse to be that optimistic. After what Portland went through with Webster last year, they are not going to “rush” Outlaw back out on the floor, and then shop him in mid-February. That would be anti-KP
There could be a GM who might like TO enough to try to low-ball KP and get Travis (and his EC) and play him for a month or two in hopes of having the best “shot” at signing him for next year and beyond. But I doubt KP will go for that kind of “fire sale”…I think he’d rather just “take his time” rehabbing Outlaw and make his own low-ball offer to #25 this summer, in hopes of getting more in return for his “asset” in the future
Absolutely rotten timing for Travis and his agent. Couldn’t be much worse. There’s no way to spin it any other way…but this injury gives him more of a “future” in PDX than if he had stayed healthy and played well. At least, that’s how I see it right now
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by two4larue on Nov 14, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who would have traded for Travis this year anyway?
Or better yet, why would someone trade for Travis this year?
1. To get the EC.
2. Because he would provide scoring for a few months.
3. To have a possible inside shot at signing him next year.
Let’s talk about #2, because that’s the only thing that has been impacted here. Who would want to grab that in a mid-season trade? A team that wants to make a late push for the playoffs, right? A team that is 15-30 isn’t going to be interested in point #2. They might want him for the future, or to cut salary, but scoring for this season isn’t really a big factor.
But is a team headed for the playoffs really going to want to give up the kind of guy you want for half a season of Travis? Doubtful.
So for most of your potential trade partners, this is not really relevant. And if there are one or two out there for whom it is relevant, there’s always the chance he’ll be back before the deadline anyway.
If KP is looking to make the deal you’ve been banging on about, in all probability this has little impact.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 14, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a foot injury adds doubt to the mind of the potential buyer
Even if the doctor who operates on Travis’ foot calls the surgery a “success” (as per usual) and gives him a 6-8 week recovery window, we already know that there’s no guarantee that the bone will hold up after Outlaw is cleared for basketbal activity in mid-January. If he can come back and play for a couple of weeks and suffers no side effects, then he’ll have some trade value again, but not as much as he would’ve had if he hadn’t gotten injured in the first place.
And it’s that “not as much” that will test KP’s predisposition to not make mid-season deals. Every GM has a “price” in his head for a certain player, based on how they scout and evaluate the kid. If KP dosn’t get his “price” for Trav, it’s unlikely he’ll sell low. (Unless he’s desperate, but that’s not a good way to approach any negotiation)
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by two4larue on Nov 14, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
???
This doesn’t actually address the point I made. At all.
The only impact on his tradeability is if someone wanted him for the second reason I listed above, and the teams that want him for that reason are unlikely to give up what you want to get.
The teams that are likely to give up the player you want are likely to want him for reason #1, which has not been impacted at all.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 15, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how else I can say it
Because of this injury, KP won’t get what he “would’ve” gotten for Outlaw now that Travis is coming off a foot injury. Assuming the Blazers were interested in trading TO at midseason (let’s say the odds were around 25%) I’d project those odds have dropped to below 5%—not because Trout’s EC is any less valuable to other GMs, but 1) because KP won’t be able to get the same kind of return that he might’ve gotten for a player who has 2 healthy feet, and 2) because now the likelihood of Portland getting a lower-priced contract extension for #25 next July has just improved
We’ll revisit this in February, I don’t think there’s anything left to speculate on re: Outlaw at this point, besides his rehab schedule. I’ll leave you with this: there will be no deal for Travis until he’s back playing in an NBA game, again. You can quote me on that, if KP makes an trade including Outlaw before that time
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by two4larue on Nov 15, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how else I can say it
If you wanted Travis as a player at the deadline, it was to rent him for two months.
Name one team that would have wanted to rent Travis for two months AS A PLAYER and that would also be likely to give up the kind of player you want.
No losing team would give up a player they valued to rent Travis for two months.
His trade value at the deadline is as an EC. That’s it. And that hasn’t changed.
And if he isn’t traded, that doesn’t prove your point, because he was not all that likely to be traded anyway, unless one of our big men went down for the season and we needed a real big in his place.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 15, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
rec’d for solid logic.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 15, 2009 12:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since you appear to have a talent for predicting the future ...
… how about a couple of lottery numbers?
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 16, 2009 5:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Retaining Ime Udoka, which I supported, would've been important in covering the loss of Nicolas Batum.
Regarding Travis Outlaw, the issue in this case is the middling depth at the 4 — as it’s quantity over quality — which should’ve been dealth with a long time ago via a consolidation trade.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 14, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
patience doesn't always pay off
KP might have had a few “decent” deals that included Outlaw in the past, but if he’s been “holding out” for one more big “slap” including #25 and his EC, then he just got bit in the backside
sure, hindsight is 20/20. But when we’ve “called” for a guy to be dealt for 9+ months and now his trade value is bantha poo-doo…I would’ve much rather seen KP pull the trigger a few months back, and lived with the consequences
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by two4larue on Nov 14, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Kevin Pritchard is stuck in second gear.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 14, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
at least he's moving
some here seam to be stuck in park
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by In Walks Rudy on Nov 15, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Horrible news. Just horrible.
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by Y5k on Nov 14, 2009 5:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We'll miss his energy in the 4th quarter
Someone will need to step it up.
by blazingjim on Nov 14, 2009 5:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Please Martell!
Please Rudy!
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Nov 14, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good news everyone!
Rudy dribbling aimlessly at the top of the key will increase 50000000%
blah blah blah blah lame comment - lame commenter
by Bandwagon Butcher on Nov 14, 2009 5:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Increase that 50000000000000000000000%
Hey, at least Batum is still healthy…oh wait…
Webster can’t play the 4. Juwan Howard will contribute like 3 points, 5 rebounds, and 4 fouls per 18-20 minutes, but since the organization is in love with him, there isn’t much else to do.
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by LACK on Nov 14, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Travis goes out for the year right after Modern Warfare 2 drops.
Coincidence?
blah blah blah blah lame comment - lame commenter
by Bandwagon Butcher on Nov 14, 2009 5:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just imagine how good the Blazers will next year
Scary.
Roy, Batum, Rudy, Webster, and possibly a re-signed Outlaw on the wings? Wow.
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway
by LACK on Nov 14, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
i was JUST thinking that! Been playing and watching Blazers win, it makes for a good week.
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by In Walks Rudy on Nov 15, 2009 8:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Robin Lopez also had that injury in pre-season, and reportedly was running today again on the court (not playing)
But it heavily depends on where exactly the injury is (that bone is long), if a screw gets inserted, etc. And we all know Martell came back too early last season.
by Norsktroll on Nov 14, 2009 5:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Burnside bridge here I come I love you Travis please please please come back soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by RickyoftheYear on Nov 14, 2009 5:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't jump!
he’ll be back.
(besides, Sellwood or I-5 bridges are better falls)
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by Y5k on Nov 14, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ross Island is no slouch
neither is St. Johns
how about that bridge up in Longview? Astoria?
“AAAIIIIIIIIEEEEE!!!”…splat!
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by two4larue on Nov 14, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It isn't the fall that kills you.
It’s the sudden stop at the end.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 16, 2009 5:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes people die of a heart attack on the way down
Sometimes, they don’t actually die on impact, but are incapacitated and drown.
Please cover all the possibilities in future.
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by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 7:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I try not to waste time on the 10% that lie outside of the norm.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 16, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So ... Can we get a little help from our friends in Beverton here?
3 broken feet … CALLING NIKE … Little help please?
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by Y5k on Nov 14, 2009 5:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather
have the voodoo magic of Phoenix’s training staff. They worked their magic on Hill and Shaq.
by torsoheap on Nov 14, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, you're right
though he’s not quite game ready eh?
by torsoheap on Nov 14, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, even at best it's an 8 week injury
by Norsktroll on Nov 14, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Breaking a foot is probably the worst non-fatal injury for an NBA
baller. It seems they’re never the same after. I read somewhere that Rik Smits can barely walk these days and I know Bill Walton has to hobble around.
by torsoheap on Nov 14, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was wearing Adidas...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Nov 14, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We'll miss his 4th quarter clutch shots - a lot
by hotstuffdb22 on Nov 14, 2009 5:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Will you miss his 4th quarter mistakes?
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 15, 2009 7:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hoops Hype free agency: http://hoopshype.com/free_agency.htm
Scanning the list quickly, we could pick up Aaron Williams. I always liked his game with Seattle, but he’s probably too old. Melvin Ely or Pops Mensu-Bonsu may be decent choices.
by torsoheap on Nov 14, 2009 5:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Williams is finished, although Pops Mensah-Bonsu is a worthwhile low-risk/high-reward option.
Melvin Ely stinks; plus, he’s a 5 more than a 4. If we’re discussing the third-string center spot, I’m unhappy that spot is filled by an injured Jeff Pendergraph — who should’ve had his rights renounced after the team found out about his bum hip — while a talented post defender and proficient rebounder like Dwayne Jones is playing overseas.
At the backup 4, the Portland Trail Blazers appear stuck with a washed-up Juwan Howard and an untested Dante Cunningham. Suffice it to say, Kevin Pritchard made his bed; thus, he must now lie in it.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 14, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. I was just trying to be optimistic.
After the summer, I was worried about how thin the end of Portland’s bench is. You figure Oden and Przy are going to get in foul trouble because Portland has questionable perimeter defense so you need a third string center. It could even be someone like Steven Hill, but it shouldn’t be a couple of rookie 4’s, especially when one of them is injured.
Paul Allen shouldn’t have forced KP to keep/sign Mills. Why is Portland stockpiling marginal injured dudes? Why a fourth string PG? If you don’t think Bayless is going to get it done then ship him out.
by torsoheap on Nov 15, 2009 7:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I predict this is the year that Paul Allen recognizes the hidden gem ...
… in his own back yard and finally gets rid of that loser Kevin Prtichard.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 16, 2009 5:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think AK would be available
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 7:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This minutes more minutes for Roy at small forward
which means more 3 guard lineups
which means more Steve Blake and Andre Miller together. Ugh…
RUDY > MJ
by Rudiculous on Nov 14, 2009 5:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I love the 3 Guard...
Its not super efficient, yes, but it frees up time for Jerryd Bayless and it has yet to lose us any games. Why complain about something that hasn’t failed?
As I see it, its working for the short term, while helping to shore up the future by giving Bayless some much needed playing time.
Dave's Keys to the Season: "GREG ODEN SMASH!!!!!!"
by Jeremiah S on Nov 15, 2009 1:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh is right!
How can one take being 5-0 with it. Makes it really difficult to find things to bitch about.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 16, 2009 5:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fortunately, we aren't 5-0 with it anymore
I couldn’t stand that.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 16, 2009 7:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In humorous news
This event has led two Blazer employees to call people who criticize Travis “idiots” on twitter. Probably not the best decision they could have made.
by TSE on Nov 14, 2009 6:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I've seen Antonio Harvey. Who's the other one?
by Norsktroll on Nov 14, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Casey Hodhal
re-tweeting Antonio’s thoughts is the equivalent of calling the same fans idiots himself because he is spreading the message.
by TSE on Nov 14, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Antonio Harvey wouldn't have a job in broadcasting if it weren't for him being an ex-player, so he ...
can stuff it. The dude is a blockhead, pure and simple.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 14, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now all we have to do is arrange a get together where you and AK ...
… can tell him that personally.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 16, 2009 5:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be the first to admit I'd be in over my head working for a NBA organization, even as a ...
lowly scout. In fact, I’d fail miserably. Yet, when it comes to radio broadcasting, I know that I’m more innately talented than sports radio hacks in Portland like the MSP crew, Brian Wheeler, John Canzano, Antonio Harvey, et cetera.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You might have a point ...
… at least if we are referring to talk radio.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 16, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Despite all the bad things Outlaw is capable of, he can do one thing (sometimes)
that is, create and make shots.
We’ve certainly seen that Martell can’t do much of this. Maybe he’ll improve. We keep hoping…..
ignacio
by ignacio on Nov 14, 2009 6:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He is third in scoring on the team this year
so he is definitely going to be missed. Portland is lucky to have the depth to be able to absorb the blow a little easier then most teams could. Webster — this is your opportunity.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
by bow4meow on Nov 14, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Could be a possible blessing in disguise
perhaps the Blazer’s white unit will learn how to run their sets better, now that they can’t rely on Travis to break his man down and shoot jumpers with >5 seconds left on the shot clock? More PT for Rudy and Marty = they’ve got respond now and play productive minutes every game
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Nov 14, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hence why I think Bayless will get some burn time now
One thing that Outlaw did for us is create his own shot, which is what Bayless’ best asset as well.
by xedubx on Nov 14, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no time like the present...
to make a quick ‘n easy trade for SJAX. Say and think what you will about the man’s past crimes, public diatribes, trade demands, jock itch, etc…he’s…a…Champion. He may have had a little help with that, but a Champion nonetheless he remains. If nothing else, he’d play amazingly well just to spite to Worriers and Great Uncle Nellie.
SJAX creates and makes shots, rebounds, and he’s a great passer. He can also pick up the defensive prowess we lack with Batum out. He can guard the other team’s best player much like Artest does for the L*kers. Speaking of which, we’d match up with them better. Furthermore, he can be had on the cheap because he’s alienated everyone in his current organization, even Nellie said so. I know it’s risky, but if he’s willing to buy into US then I embrace him! Not that winning 6 games in a row is bad or anything. But what if another player goes down to injury, what then? Presently injured players are difficult to trade, and Outlaw’s name gets thrown about quite a bit. I’d prefer to give them Miller but then we’d have to wait til Dec. 15th. Any better early trade options?
My mom babysat Paul Allen
by shwa on Nov 14, 2009 7:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So who are you gonna cut to make room for a donkey???
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Nov 14, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
there are no trade options. KP is going to have to grab a guy off the waiver wire and Paul Allen is going to have to get by not watching Patty Mills play in a Portland uniform
Blake
Przybilla
Miller
Webster
Rudy
are not going anywhere but out onto the court in a Blazer’s uniform. Get used to it
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Nov 14, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i hope so...sorta
but this is the nba. Calling SJAX a donkey is unnecessary and does not speak to any particular point you may have been making aside from that you obviously have difficulty expressing yourself. He’s just a frustrated man and did not know how to express himself properly either. Can you blame him for wanting out of GS? That franchise tries to lose and his prime is dwindling. He legit wants another crack at the title because he’s won one and he wants to win again. This 3 guard corny rotation won’t win us a championship even if we win out the regular season. If Martell and Outlaw can’t crack the starting 5 but Batum could, then they are more than expendable…now or in the near future.
My mom babysat Paul Allen
by shwa on Nov 14, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda agree, Donkey is a good point that Timbo is making.
SJAX is a hothead, a malcontent, unprofessional, maybe even a bit of a cancer. He would not be my choice for our offense, he likes to chuck 3’s.
He was a Donkey in SA, in Indiana, and in GS. He isn’t the caliber of teammate or off the court player we want, and he isn’t a good fit for how we play.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 14, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My main problem with Stephen Jackson isn't the off-court turmoil, but rather his penchant ...
for being an inefficient high-volume shooter on offense. More than anything else, it’s S-Jax’s high usage play that’d be what clashes with Brandon Roy.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 14, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends.
Can he revert back to his pre-Golden State shot selection? He used to be a solid role player before his stupid drunk coach ruined him.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 14, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why all of your "insight" should be taken with a truckload of salt
You always fail to accept the human condition.
These organizations do not exist in a vacuum that begins and ends when each game is played. The people in a basketball organization have to spend time together. This happens in real life as well. People that are annoying know-it-alls generally do not get along with other people. This causes everyone’s productivity to suffer.
NBA basketball is not stratomatic baseball. You can’t just put the good looking cards on top of each other with no other regard. Otherwise you only end up with a house of cards.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Nov 15, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Y'know, this world would be a much better place if "know-it-alls" in all fields ignored ...
the doltishness of the masses and quit pandering to the “human condition” or whatever you want to call it. I’m not a fan of Stephen Jackson for tangible reasons, which has do to with his inefficient, high usage play on offense — as well as his large, overpriced contract — yet, if you want to dive into immeasurable junk like how his personality and off-court actions would mesh with fellow teammates, then be my guest. As far as I’m concerned, though, anyone who touts off-court chemistry as having any value whatsoever is slinging a load of bullcrap.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 15, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except sports franchises are businesses, and the product on the field reflects on the entire organization.
Calling off-court chemistry irrelevant is being incredibly myopic, with an obvious failure to grasp the intangibles of high character individuals.
Its fine that you believe what you do, but your opinion, which in my opinion is incredibly short sighted, does not mean it is the right opinion, or the only opinion. Making sweeping statements that “anyone” who believes something is full of crap is just, well, pathetic.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
by Arby on Nov 15, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, we agree an opinion is just an opinion. I'm just more, um, strong-willed ...
with my stance and whatnot. There’s nothing wrong with that, though, because sometimes the most stubborn people end up being successful. My life isn’t an example of that, but many tenacious, bullheaded folks nevertheless fit that mold.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 15, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So what's your ambition here?
these kind of statements are right there with such internet gems as “i’m 6’5 with a trophy wife, ten mistresses, 8 mansions and a yacht”
This is anonymous, for the most part – and the quality of your argument is far more important than force of will. Here, you have no will – just words typed on a white screen.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 15, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By "strong-willed," I was referring to my personality over anything of ...
so-called material value — such as a “trophy wife” or “8 mansions,” even though that’d be awesome to have in real life :) — so, uh, I’m not entirely sure what you’re point is here. In any case, though, I agree that these are “just words typed on a white screen.”
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 15, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Y'know, this world would be a much better place if scientists could find a cure for autism
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Nov 15, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, there's many things that would make this world a better place. I'm sure ...
each of us have our own utopic vision of a perfect world, but even a headstrong mule like myself has come to grips that the things I want won’t come to fruition.
Still, it’s fun to dream a dream.
Yes, I’d like it if human beings were collectively more intelligent; however, that’s not the way it is and our existence as a species will progress accordingly. Alas, that’s life.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 15, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Found a job yet?
That might contribute to making the world a better place.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 16, 2009 5:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't commented about Stephen Jackson for weeks now
and right now I don’t see how acquiring him solves the Blazer’s need at backup PF, neither do I see how offering any combination of healthy Blazer bench players would move KP to the front of the line of NBA GMs who might actually want to trade for him
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Nov 14, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
those are awfully final sounding statements
might want to borrow one of AK1984’s qualifiers, he won’t mind, he isn’t using them…
j/k ;-)
but really, we never know what’s going to happen on a KP run team.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 14, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
serious
funny how the 5 guys he mentions don’t include Roy, Aldridge, or Oden.
My mom babysat Paul Allen
by shwa on Nov 14, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's because those are given
it would be like saying “and by the way, the sun is coming up tomorrow.”
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 14, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stephen Jackson will most likely end up in Cleveland, especially now New Orleans is out of contention.
The Cleveland Cavaliers could offer up the loony Delonte West — who’s only partially guaranteed $500,000 in salary next season, so he can be waived next summer at little cost — along with salary filler (e.g., Darnell Jackson, Jawad Williams, & Danny Green) to the Golden State Warriors for Stephen Jackson; though, Larry Riley (i.e., Don Nelson’s puppet) would first release a trio of scrubs (i.e., Craig Claxton, Acie Law, & Devean George) to clear roster space as a means to facilitate the deal. After the trade, the Warriors could then waive D. Jackson and J. Williams — as they’ve got non-guaranteed contracts — while the Cavaliers would have to sign a free-agent (e.g., Antonio Daniels) within a couple of weeks to get its roster back up to 13 players.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 14, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad Delonte is a nut case.
I would LOVE his game next to Roy.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 14, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except for Kirk Hinrich, Delonte West may be the stylistically best backcourt fit for Brandon Roy.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 15, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In terms of fit...
I would say Hinrich, then West.
After that there aren’t a lot of guys who fit the mold. Royal Ivey would be an interesting fit. He’s one of the better defenders in the league and he doesn’t need the ball on offense. I think Westbrook would be a pretty good fit as well.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 15, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd choose Keyon Dooling over Royal Ivey if we're talking about backups, since Dooling ...
has been a bit more efficient from downtown throughout their careers. Really, though, they’re altogether similar players. Now, with regards to Russell Westbrook, he’s too high usage, too turnover prone, and hasn’t yet developed consistency on his long-range shot to fill the role of a 1 next to Brandon Roy. I say that in spite of being a Westbrook fan, however.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 15, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Westbrook would be fine.
He played next to Collison as a SG at UCL and every time I saw him in college I really envisioned him working out great next to Roy. I was hoping the Sonics would be stupid enough to take Bayless, but alas, it was not to be.
I think his usage is high because it has to be on that team, but he’s got a long history of playing off the ball. With the Blazers it would probably work. His turnovers are a concern I guess, but that comes along with being so young. Anyway, it doesn’t matter since he’s really not available at all.
Dooling is soooo much like Ivey! I don’t know why I didn’t realize that until now. You just blew my mind, although I do think Royal Ivey has a much cooler name.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 15, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You described it perfectly
he’s alienated everyone in his current organization
So we should bring him here so he can alienate everyone here.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 14, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
I think Don Nelson has alienated everyone in his current organization. Al Harrington, Baron Davis, Anthony Randolph, Monta Ellis, Chris Mullen, Stephen Jackson, Jamal Crawford, etc, etc, etc…
Goodness, he just started benching Stephen Curry for no apparent reason. (He claimed it was because he didn’t have tattoos.) I don’t think Jackson is the problem. I know it’s crazy, but I think the fat, belligerently drunk, white guy might have something to do with it.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 14, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Jackson hadn't been alienating people everywhere else
you would have a very strong case there.
The fact is, these two guys are made for each other.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 14, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Spurs LOVED Jackson.
Tim Duncan calls him the best teammate ever.
Besides some Detroit fans that he punched in the face, who has Jackson alienated?
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 14, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If any fans (besides the lakers) deserves to get punched in the face
It’s probably the pistons.
just kidding.
by xedubx on Nov 14, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I've heard ...
… Jackson just needs to learn to keep his mouth shut from time to time. He seems to have a propensity for sticking his foot in it. That’s not necessarily indicative of a bad personality.
I will say that in the current situation he would be better served by keeping quiet and recognizing that the true sign of maturity and responsibility is to do your best no matter what the circumstances are. Unfortunately that is a concept that has lost meaning in todays culture.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 16, 2009 5:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Does that make Jackson the ...
… AK of the NBA?
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 16, 2009 5:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a really, really poor analogy.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 16, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One does what one can with the material at hand.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 16, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm looking forward to Dante at the back-up 4 personnally
Sure, he seemes undersized but he’s what 6’8? Thats really not bad for a PF. It seemed at first like he would get pushed around quite a bit, but have you seen his arms recently? He’s Huge! He would fit in our system much better as a 4 anyway. A 3 that cant shoot the 3 hurts us, but a 4 with a sweet 15-18 ft J. is perfect. He could run well with the second unit as well.
Something tells me were not going to have any problems with the three spot, it’s possible this is a hint to stop the small ball but I foresee even more use of the 3 guard line-up (if its possible) to cover our weakness at the 3.
Portland could coast along with their superior talent and stay right with us. Now that Portland woke up, the hammer cometh down.
by Batumshakalaka on Nov 14, 2009 7:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like Dante longterm and I hope he plays well.
4 years in college often seems to give players the basics. We’ll see.
ignacio
by ignacio on Nov 14, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I do, too
but he’s a rookie forward and its a crapshoot to rely on any consistent production from him, regardless of his college experience
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Nov 14, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't argue that one.
All we have to do is look back to Portland’s experience with Roy. We all know what that got us – a 21 win season.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 16, 2009 5:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i guess there will be a sharp decline in trade ideas
bayless leaves over my dead body
thanks for starting Andre
by thomasikehara on Nov 14, 2009 7:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, Travis Outlaw is still a financial asset as an expiring contract.
At this point, I’d gladly trade him straight-up to Milwaukee for Kurt Thomas.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 14, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But why would the Bucks consider that?
Thomas’ contract expires in July, just like Travis’ They’d be trading a guy they barely play for one that might play later, but he’s someone the Bucks would be very likely to extend beyond this season
I’m afraid we’re “stuck” with Trout until he’s healthy, again. Maybe he’s a “faster” healer than Webster, but I doubt he’ll have enough trade value by mid-Feb to make it worth anybody’s while to meet KP’s price
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Nov 14, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
give them three pretty million.
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 14, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but they'll get the same savings
if they just hang onto Thomas…his 3.8mil contract expires next June, as well
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Nov 14, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, Cabby means add $3 million in cash considerations to the deal.
In that case, the Milwaukee Bucks will basically be paid to take on an injured Travis Outlaw for the remainder of this season. From a financial standpoint, Herb Kohl might bite at that.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 15, 2009 12:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So Paul Allen pays Herb Kohl 3 mil to take Outlaw and his EC
and Portland gets the services of Thomas and his EC?…I’m not sure KP will have success selling this “idea” to Mr. Allen, and especially not to the Vulcans
but maybe if KP tells him “it’s either that, or we’ll have to release Patty Mills…”
Cold, stone-hearted to send TO to Milwaukee in the dead of winter to rehab his foot, KP wouldn’t “do him” like that, would he? Travis would probably just hop on a plane to Starkville
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Nov 15, 2009 1:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you're probably correct that Trail Blazers organization wouldn't part ways ...
with Travis Outlaw in such a harsh manner. Though, I bet Kevin Pritchard could sell Paul Allen on that matter if he felt obliged to do it, especially if he used the Patty Mills chip. Also, you’re right that Outlaw would probably head home and rehab on his own dime. Yet, as far as I’m concerned, the NBA is first and foremost a business.
Anyhow, I could envision the part wherein Pritchard would feel guilty proposing such a trade to the guys up at Vulcan, Inc. Outlaw has friends on the team and possibly even in the basketball operations department, but business is business. I guess we’ll see how this plays out in the next few months.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 15, 2009 1:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the Vulcans wouldn't care so much about Outlaw, personally
they’d be more concerned that PA is overpaying for what would be (to their way of thinking) a “latteral” deal, if that…it would be up to KP to convince the owner that Thomas is a necessary piece worth spending 3 mil and Outlaw’s future value to acquire. Tough sell
KP is the one that emphasizes family and culture. If he deals Outlaw “now” he’s gotta look Brandon Roy in the eye. I thought they crossed the “this is a business, we like Travis, but…” bridge last July when they made the offer to Hedo, but after reading what Roy said about “being lonely on the road” I don’t expect KP to “ditch” Travis on a Wisconsin ice flow and drive off in the team bus
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Nov 15, 2009 2:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oy vey.
So the log jam at the 3 comes down to “please, please let nothing happen to Martell”.
by JPop on Nov 14, 2009 7:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol
it’s like a season of LOST hit our SF’s.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 14, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly don't even get that joke
Did Nicolas Batum travel back in time to join the ’77 title squad?
by robrun2 on Nov 14, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we could use Bobby Gross, right now
Heck, I’d settle for Corky Calhoun…fire up the DeLorean!
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Nov 14, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
should of kept Ime
bayless leaves over my dead body
thanks for starting Andre
by thomasikehara on Nov 15, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
Jennings is MURDERING IT!
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 14, 2009 7:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Crisis=Opportunity
It’s always a bummer when a player goes down. It’s even more of a bummer when that player is giving double digits off a bench unit that is struggling with shooting the ball. Luckily, that bench is mighty deep and there’s no shortage of desire on it.
As was widely reported at the beginning of the season, we had a logjam at the small forward position which is now being given the test. How deep are the Blazers? The answer: very deep. Think Mariana Trench.
Dante Cunningham is going to shake it up. He is this season’s Nico Batum. This guy has the Eye of the Tiger. He was far and away the best player on that Summer League team. When he was given opportunities in the Preseason, he made a positive impact. The few minutes we saw of him at the Rose Garden, he showed us a defensive intensity that has been missing from that position. I just hope he learns to knock some teeth out near the hoop—we need a little more of that.
Besides Dante, there’s Juwan Howard. This wily vet was a great pickup. I loved his play in the game in Charlotte. He just knows how to play the game in a way that exploits the system. I’m not saying he’s cheating, but the man does know what he can get away with. He’s not going to give you anywhere near the points that Outlaw can, but he will give you rebounds and you don’t take as big of a risk when you go small.
Apart from those two, I know of certain Spaniard that would key David Stern’s Ferrari for a few more minutes. I think Rudy has finally been given the chance to prove his quality. The second unit is his now. If he does well, who knows? El Mago could slip into the starting 5.
We’ve got nothing to worry about. All of these guys will play hard and try to make the best of the minutes they are given. Travis is a talented player and he will be missed, but it’s not the end of the world.
by 500dogs on Nov 14, 2009 8:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
problem is
of the players you mentioned, only Howard is a backup PF. I like Dante, but he’s a ‘tweener like Travis and rookie forwards usually have a tough time adjusting to the NBA. Juwan isn’t going to “hold up” playing 10-12 minutes a night…maybe we’ll see more of the Gregzilla “twin towers” but Oden is still having trouble staying on the court for 5+ minutes at a time
I’ve been saying it for awhile…one more backup PF/C is needed, but the best “asset” kP had to go get one is going to be walking in a boot, for awhile
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by two4larue on Nov 14, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
rookie forwards usually have a tough time adjusting to the NBA.
Well, we say the same thing about pg’s (bayless) and centers (oden), so that just leaves the 2 guard position as the only one that’s “easy” to adjust to in the NBA. Can’t we just go with the blanket statement that rookies have a tough time adjusting to the NBA, rather than trying to sound intelligent (and failing) by labeling a particular position as tough to learn as a rookie?
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by premthegrem on Nov 15, 2009 12:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, I was going to say
“rookie forwards have trouble adjusting…except for DeJuan Blair” but my train of thought was heading in a different direction
and I explained this elsewhere, anyway. Dante is going to have trouble defending SFs on the wing, at least that’s what Prunty said back in July. Nate can stick him out here on an island and we can watch him get a head cold as those quick cats blow by him, or the Blazers can do what they’ve been planning to do and keep Cunningham down near the basket and put him on less-mobile players, like they’ve been doing with Outlaw.
Potand asked DC to add upper-body strength between Vegas and fall camp. They see him as a 4. Now, he may have to play some 3, but that’s because of injuries to Batum and Outlaw, and not because he’s “prepared” for the challenge
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by two4larue on Nov 15, 2009 1:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On the broadcast they kept highlighting the wrong clip on the Outlaw injury.
They showed him planting and slightly rolling his right foot, but obviously that wasn’t it since it was his left foot that was injured. On the clip they kept showing, right before they cut out you see his left foot roll.
I was really annoyed by this.
by JonBBT on Nov 14, 2009 9:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How many minutes?
As back-up power forward, LMA can increase his time unless he has foul trouble. then Howard is adequate for the time needed for a breather. BRoy is now playing small forward he can increase his minutes there to let JBay have minutes to be another crater. and Martell, and Dante can play time to give BRoy a breather. Injuries happen and although somebody will have to step up, I do believe we will be alright.
What was the deal that we could have gotten when Greg went down.? the one that we could have gotten another player? Can we use that to bring Freeman over?
hg
by BBK on Nov 14, 2009 10:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Quick has an update: Outlaw's foot has been bothering him since Memphis
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/11/foot_injury_sidelines_outlaw_t.html
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — There was an ominous moment before Saturday’s game when Brandon Roy asked Travis Outlaw whether he thought his aching left foot had a stress fracture.
.
“He had been complaining about his foot for a couple of games now,” Roy said of his best friend. “So I was like, ‘Trav, you sure you don’t have a stress fracture?’”
and
Outlaw said his foot had been bothering him since the team’s Tuesday game in Memphis. He played in pain the next two games — at Minnesota and New Orleans. Then Saturday, he felt his foot “pop” while defending Gerald Wallace.
by Corvid on Nov 14, 2009 10:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing that this will take more than 8 weeks...
I’m certainly no doctor, but if a BB players foot hurts, shouldn’t they rest it?
(at least they didn’t shoot him with pain killers like Bill Walton back in ’78)
Contract year…Outlaw probably didn’t want to sit
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by two4larue on Nov 14, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to me he dug his own grave.
Way to not tell the training staff your foot hurt.
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by Arby on Nov 14, 2009 11:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Flag.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Nov 15, 2009 12:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or more proof our training staff sucks at preventing and rehabilitating injuries
by Norsktroll on Nov 15, 2009 12:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It might be time for a new training and medical staff, yeah
The team might be a bit brittle, but all the more important that they have top guys to prevent injuries, decrease the seriousness or impact by e.g. having diagnostics and surgeries early, and rehab like the best of them.
by Norsktroll on Nov 15, 2009 1:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just copy whatever the Suns' training staff does.
I know I bring that up a lot, but they seem to have some kind of magic that heals injured players. Or they’re just making a lot of deals with the devil.
by torsoheap on Nov 15, 2009 7:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it seems to be pretty universally accepted now that the Suns training staff is the best in the league.
by jksnake99 on Nov 15, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we could buy them for $3 million
instead of a first round draft pick.
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by jscot on Nov 15, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a theory.
I blame the Adidas shoe company:
When Martell had his original stress fracture, he wore Adidas:
now, he wears Nike (Kobes to be exact):
And what did Outlaw wear up to this point, you ask?
Adidas, of course!
Boycott Adidas Basketball shoes!
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by Arby on Nov 15, 2009 12:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Their soccer shoes too.
I wonder if I have suffered a stress fracture in my foot as well. I play indoor soccer now and a few seasons ago I hurt the middle part of my foot really bad but in mainly hurt when I would try to play on it. The injury lasted a few seasons and finally went away after taking a 3 week break of not playing on it at all. Could that have been a similar injury or is Travis’ injury not the type of thing you can just get over without surgery?
Watching martell dunk this season I was like no wonder he injured himself, but then I thought why not guys who jump out of the gym like Travis, I just assumed he drank more milk lol.
by tevisthe4th on Nov 15, 2009 12:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too much strain on the outside of the foot ... the pinky toe ... the 5th metatarsal
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by Y5k on Nov 15, 2009 3:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nike's fit me horribly.
I am an adidas man myself.
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by mittsabishy on Nov 15, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ime Udoka is sounding pretty good right about now.
Get well soon Travis! He was looking so good this season too.
Travis Outlaw fan from the beginning.
by llamaiguana on Nov 15, 2009 1:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
"Quid, Me Anxius Sum?"
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by Y5k on Nov 15, 2009 3:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad for Outlaw because he's a nice guy
But he was still the same mistake-prone Outlaw that he’s always been and his minutes were going to decrease once Batum got back anyway. In other words this does not hurt the team much if at all.
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by leeroyjenkins on Nov 15, 2009 7:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If only we had retired Jordans number
then none of this would have happened…
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by In Walks Rudy on Nov 15, 2009 8:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
RE OUTlaw being OUT indefinitely
wow! i was really in shock when i heard the news. i was too busy anticipating, and then watching, and later on celebrating pacquiao’s win over cotto and then BAM! outlaw out? honestly, i do realize the kind of value he has to our team off the bench, and i really feel for him w/the EC and all, but on a positive note, this is an opportunity for the other guys to step it up, Rudy and Martell in particular.they would have 9-12 fga to share amongst themselves and i hope they would make good use of it.
i pray travis gets better iregardless of wether he’d stay with us next year or not.
GO Blazers!
by FILIPINOblazerfan on Nov 15, 2009 9:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can't the uninjured rookie also play SF?
by tominhawaii on Nov 15, 2009 5:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not according to two4.
Rookies have a hard time adjusting to the NBA game.
Plus he’s a tweener.
And his name is Dante. (Like that’s a real name.)
And he thinks graduating from college is a good idea.
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by timg56 on Nov 16, 2009 6:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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