Game 10 recap: Blazers 86, Hornets 78
Here's what's important about this game: The Blazers are 7-3. No matter who the opposition has been that's a good number. 7-3 is legit. 7-3 means you've taken care of business. 7-3 is a number the Blazers can be quite happy with after 10 games.
As far as the game itself...oy. You could have collected a leper, a blind man, a refugee from an Amazonian tribe who had never seen a basketball, and your grandma's boyfriend and played a better first half than either of these teams. Emaka Okafor got two early fouls. Chris Paul decided to go on a shooting strike. Peja Stojakovic should have gone on a shooting strike. New Orleans looked clueless. The Blazers, not wanting to be unsportsmanlike, decided that it wouldn't be fair to attempt any shot closer than 18 feet from the bucket until the Hornets had cleared their heads. When the coaches huddled up and brought up shot selection the Blazers said, "JD!" and the Hornets said, "Cuervo!" For all we know they might have followed through then and there. The offense sure looked like they did. The result was a 14-12 first quarter. Ugh.
The teams got marginally more aggressive in the second period. Bayless, Roy, and Miller actually penetrated a little. Meanwhile Hornets' guard Marcus Thornton, seldom used heretofore, took the new, scattered offense as permission to create for himself. He did admirably, scoring 20 points in 24 minutes. The problem was that Paul was still silent, as were the rest of his teammates save David West who was scoring every time they remembered to get him the ball...which was never. The Blazers took the second quarter 23-21 and both teams retreated to the locker rooms for head-scratching and perhaps some tongue-lashing.
If Coach McMillan implored his guys to get more aggressive in the second half it worked. LaMarcus Aldridge and Andre Miller immediately came out and started tearing it up. Miller pounded down the door with some layups and Aldridge peppered the house with eggs via an array of mid-range jump shots. By the 6:33 mark the Hornets trailed by 14, which in this game might as well have been a billion. Bad had long ago turned to worse for New Orleans but worse suddenly turned to disastrous with 40 seconds left in the period as Chris Paul went down with an ankle injury. At that point the Hornets were done. Greg Oden and Joel Przybilla owned the paint and the boards and, unable to get any decent looks out of the halfcourt, the Hornets went down energetically but easily.
The Blazers shot 38% from the field, 15% from distance, and 69% from the foul line tonight. When you walk away with a win after that you know that some other areas went right. New Orleans shot 37% overall and 21% from the arc themselves, partially due to Portland's defense and partially due to their comfort level. The real difference came in rebounding. The Blazers had 20 offensive rebounds and 87 possessions. The Hornets had 9 offensive rebounds and 79 possessions. Portland won the overall rebounding battle 60-40 despite missing 4 more shots than New Orleans did. On a night where neither team hit, passed, turned the ball over, or drew excess fouls that made the difference. Portland did do a nice job on Paul, making him work hard for a pass rather than waltz in easily for a score. I've been critical of the point guard defense but they did a pretty good job channeling Paul into the right spot tonight. Credit also goes to the Blazer big men who were rock solid in helping out and recovering. You couldn't have drawn it up much better. The 3 point, 8 assists line from CP3 was the difference in this game. The reserve guards for New Orleans scored 20 and 18 respectively, but big whoop. You did what you needed to do. Part and parcel of that was getting back in transition, as the Hornets wanted to run and the Blazers did a decent job of keeping them contained.
Individual Notes
I'm not going to mention shooting or scoring unless a guy did exceptionally well. In a 38% shooting game you have to figure that most everybody was missing.
Brandon Roy had 8 rebounds and 6 assists. He had ball-handling trouble early, not the first time we've seen that this season. Still, on a night where it became apparent he'd have less than his "A" game offensively he found ways to distract and contribute. The downside was that he played 38 minutes.
LaMarcus Aldridge provided a good scoring option early in both halves and really solidified the offense for Portland. Had he been bricking like everyone else (he ended up 10-19) this game would have gone in the loss column as the Blazers would have had exactly zero outlets for the ball. LaMarcus won this game for us in the way that is most instinctive to him: #1 scoring option. He didn't neglect the boards, rummaging around for 9 defensive and 4 offensive rebounds. Great night.
Greg Oden wasn't hitting jack early but stayed with it, worked the offensive glass, and continued to be a terror defensively. The growth in his defensive movement and recognition from last year to this has been phenomenal. He's really become an intimidator just by his presence, even when he doesn't do anything. If Greg's in the area people are looking over their shoulder. 7 defensive rebounds, 5 offensive, 3 blocks.
Andre Miller's 5-13 clip was caused mostly by the jumpers he took. This shouldn't obscure the fact that he was one of the first and best to attack the lane which broke the game free for the Blazers. 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 12 points.
Steve Blake's offensive production continues to sputter, as he went 1-5 from the arc tonight on mostly open shots. Marks for the work on Chris Paul.
Joel Przybilla added "Free Throw Machine" to his usual Rebounding Machine title tonight. The Hornets were so discombobulated inside that he was picking offensive boards from a low-hanging tree. They fouled him on the putbacks. He sank 6 of 7 free throws. 10 points, 8 rebounds. He also had 3 blocks as he continued what Oden started on the defensive end. This center tandem is really starting to click.
Travis Outlaw had 5 rebounds. I promised I wouldn't speak of...other things. But while everybody else was making their shot selections he apparently finished the bottle.
Martell Webster and Rudy Fernandez pretty much flat-lined tonight. I thought Rudy did a good job of staying controlled defensively but, as Mike Rice so eloquently put it, he seemed to be spending his offensive evening looking for that special pass. "Special" in this case turned out to be "turnover". I expect bigger games out of both gentlemen tomorrow, as they played 13 and 12 minutes respectively. They're the reserve energy.
Jerryd Bayless was aggressive getting to the rim again in his 11 minutes, finishing with 8 points, 2 rebounds, and a turnover. It's actually pretty nice having him being able to maximize his scoring in short runs on the court as they disguise his weaknesses. Used like this he's becoming valuable to the team. It was funny watching him the first couple times he had to watch Chris Paul though. It was a total "Whoa!" moment...as in "Whoa! Where did he go? Oh crap!!!"
Final Thoughts and Links
This trip is now assured of being a good one, which is just what the doctor ordered. Everything from now on is bonus. Win 1 of 2 and the road swing is fantastic. Win both and it's near-unimaginable (at least from the perspective of a couple weeks ago). The ship has been righted and is quickly sailing forward. Let's see how the Blazers deal with the next rock they hit.
Check out the concern over CP3 and the praising of the bench guards at AtTheHive.
You can find your Jersey Contest scores for the month and the night here and enter tomorrow's game right here.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Slow start
but a win is a win, especially on the road
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Nov 13, 2009 9:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Here's whats important about this game
I won 7 pairs of duck tickets at Macadams… I kid you not. The Blazers, beyond winning games, they give back to the community in so many ways, most importantly, keeping me on the Oregon Sports Scene. I shall represent us all well, I might even shave.
Welcome to the Terror Dome
by BlazermaniacAndy on Nov 13, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Three thoughts
1. Chris Paul is cursed against us.
2. That was the worst offensive 1st quarter I have EVER seen.
3. LMA is $.
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by skywaker9 on Nov 13, 2009 9:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
he was good in college...
had a ready for the nba game..
by galacticlove on Nov 13, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed the same thing.
Found myself thinking, “Gosh, I’d rather the Blazers had Collison than Bayless.”
by misterblack on Nov 13, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted Collison
wasn’t happy when NO pulled him one spot ahead.
by xedubx on Nov 14, 2009 12:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"while everybody else was making their shot selections he apparently finished the bottle"
Brilliant! I was actually laughing out loud at that one.
by GMan83201 on Nov 13, 2009 9:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
same here! I had to explain to my wife why I burst out laughing at that one....Dave, brilliant.
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by RenoBlazerFan on Nov 13, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trout once again proved
Why he’s probably gone come year end if not by the trading deadline.
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by skywaker9 on Nov 13, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Travis Outlaw just doesn't seem to view basketball as a team-oriented game. When it's all said ...
and done, Outlaw’s selfish, low BBIQ style of me-first shot chucking will ultimately hurt a squad in the long run. To me, this is an open-and-shut case. If the Portland Trail Blazers really want to solidify its roster for a legitimate championship pursuit as soon as next season, then Outlaw needs to be booted off for a banger 4/5 who’s low usage on offense, tough on the glass, and plays stout defense.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 13, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Juwan Howard? Dante Cunningham? Jeff Pendergraph?
I’d rather see Portland try to replace Outlaw’s production in-house rather than cherry-pick other team’s bench players.
by BlazerTag on Nov 13, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ronny Turiaf? Nick Collison? Jeff Foster?
One of them could (hypothetically) be acquired, for Travis + capspace (toss in Howard and Mills, for either Collison or Foster) at the deadline
Cunningham will eventually replace Outlaw’s production, but this year’s playoffs will require one more experienced big man
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by two4larue on Nov 14, 2009 12:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Joel Freeland?
I doubt any moves are made this year, with Nic out.
Next summer, look for the MLE to be used for Freeland or a free agent.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 14, 2009 2:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, now I join in your doubt
because Outlaw is hurt and it’s unlikely the Warriors, Pacers or OKC will be all that interested in taking a flier on Travis, in February
Freeland may be better than Pendergraph (or, not) I’m not putting any stock in an short-winded Englishman who’s only been playing the game for a few years
and that MLE and potential FA will not help the Blazers win games in May. But then I wasn’t counting on #25 helping the team much in the post season, either. Even if he makes a full recovery
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Nov 15, 2009 12:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw is a slow starter
and seems to be making a concerted effort at improving his intangibles (rebounding/on ball defense/driving for shots/shot blocking)
He is also passing up a lot of wide open threes, plays atrocious off the ball defense and is very poor at giving the ball up once he has committed to a move (even if the defense helps on him).
That said, he still has a role once he figures out his shot.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 13, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FYI, our game tomorrow in CHA is live on NBA TV
So says ESPN.
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by skywaker9 on Nov 13, 2009 9:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
As well as CSN of course.
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by skywaker9 on Nov 13, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless stayed in front of Paul
caught up to him into the lane and bothered Paul’s shots.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 13, 2009 9:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah.
Bayless is really good and if given more minutes he’d put up impressive numbers. I’m not saying he’s Chris Paul but, and this may sound crazy, if Bayless were given anywhere from 32 to 35 minutes a game. He’d be an all star. He’s clearly not going to get that with the Blazers. But who knows. Maybe he’ll find another place to play…
by Aaron Sass on Nov 13, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless has scoring ability, which is essential
and is decent enough as a ball handler. However, although he is willing to pass, he has yet to learn how to execute that phase of the game with any real skill.
Of all the skills that he has to develop, that one will take the longest.
Defensively, however – he was able to move his feet to stay in front of Paul, and that was nice to see given that Paul attacked him directly (Paul didn’t go after Miller/Blake the same way)
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 13, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless' stats suggests real improvement in distribution as well as scoring
The standard meme from the “anti-Bayless” crowd ( I am not saying you are a member of that group) has become something of a moving target:
First it was Bayless is a “SG in a PGs body, who can’t shoot”
Now that his per minute point production is highest on the team and his TS% is second highest on the team, it has become “well he might become an OK bench scorer, but he will never be a point.”
Well the reality, according to Basketball Reference Link: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2010.html, is that on a Per 36 minutes basis, PLESAE NOTE THE FOLLIWING CAVEAT: THESE STATS ARE BASED ON THE VERY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE OF 50 MINUTES OF PT, Bayless is showing real improvement as a distributor. These stats are a bit counter-intuitive which may suggest that they are not representative, or may suggest that Bayless is actually performing better than it first appears:
Assist Percentage
Miller 31.6
Bayless 27.2
Roy 27.2
Blake 18.8
Fernandez 14.7
Assists per 36 minutes of PT
Miller 6.2
Roy 5.2
Bayless 5.0
Blake 4.2
Fernandez 3.2
According to the stats, Bayless is right ther with Roy in terms of his ability to generate assists and well ahead of both Blake and Rudy. My guess is that these stats will come as a surprise to many folks. Clearly, Bayless is not ready to smoothly run the team by himself. You can feel it and see it on the floor. When Bayless is playing the point, things run well at times, but there is a tendency for the offense to bog down. I have argued elswhere that Rudy and Bayless seem like a nice complimentary back-court pairing. Rudy helps share the distribution responsibilities when Bayless struggles a bit. But the stats make it clear that Rudy is not doing all the work. Bayless is generating assists at a pretty decent rate for a 21 year old PG with limited experience. Bayless has also shown real improvement in reducing his turnovers, they are still somewhat high witha Per 36 rate of 2.9, but they are moving in the right direction.
Again, these stats are very preliminary and should be taken with several grains of salt given that most of Bayless’ PT has come against a string of weak teams, however, the trends are very encouraging. I don’t think it is extreme to suggest that people need to start reevaluating their assumptions about Bayless. He is clearly a work in progress with a ways to go, but the “he is not a PG and never will be” meme deserves real scrutiny. Bayless has shown real, even dramatic, progress. He has gone from a season PER of 8.2 last year to a very strong early PER, which as of last night stood at 20.6.
by upper left corner on Nov 14, 2009 5:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i appreciatte the caveat
Truth of the matter is Bayless is a good energy guy off the bench that gives their defense a different look than our starting unit. I think some of his success is also that the opposing teams have spent exactly zero minutes game planning for him since he was a dnp-cd for the first half of this season. I always dislike the based on 36 minutes of PT stats, let’s have Roy come off the bench and play against the other teams second unit and see what his stats show.
by Alaa Abdelnaby on Nov 14, 2009 9:10 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Trying to predict the future
of young players is always an exercise in iffy-ness. Roy, Aldridge, and Oden weren’t hard but guys like Webster, Outlaw, and Bayless get into gray areas. We know he hasn’t really been ready before now. We know he’s looking more ready now. There are a bunch of steps between “more ready now” and regular rotation player. He could take those steps quickly, he could go forward two and back one, maybe he struggles if given more responsibility. I could honestly see any of those eventualities with Jerryd.
We do know that hitting open jumpers is going to be important. Demonstrating point guard skills looks less so right now with the multi-PG setup, which is part of the reason we’re seeing him flourish without being exposed. My sense is that a lot of what happens with Bayless this year will have less to do with him and more to do with who is playing around him and what needs they have. Is there a Jerryd-sized hole in the rotation? Right now the answer appears to be “yes”. But the rotation may not stay the same all year.
Either way, I like what I’ve seen from Bayless so far this year.
—Dave
by Dave on Nov 14, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It does sound crazy.
He can’t shoot from outside. He is an average ball-handler. He can’t finish with any kind of contact. If the lane isn’t clear when he drives he throws up some kind of double-pump scoop from the hip that has no chance of going in. The only chance he’d have of being an All-Star would be if he was a 90% free-throw shooter and got to the line 25 times a night.
by misterblack on Nov 13, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
His outside shot is much better this year
returning to the levels he shot in college. This will continue to improve, as with most young players.
He is extremely effective going to the hoop, draws a lot of fouls, and does shoot free throws well.
Bayless is going to be very, very good, and might be an all-star someday, though he’s got a long way to go to reach that level.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 14, 2009 2:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Please see my comment just above in this thread.
I think you are operating on last year’s data. Bayless has shown very significant improvement.
by upper left corner on Nov 14, 2009 5:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
glad to see portland's signing of patty mills has paid off
for having one of those small and quick point guards for practice. even though mills is still in a boot.
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
by Tofu Anonymous on Nov 13, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mills' production is likely to match CP3's for the next couple of weeks
Brilliant move.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 14, 2009 2:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
we have a 10 man rotation at best
Whether it was Ime, Collins, or Mills it would have/has had zero impact.
by Alaa Abdelnaby on Nov 14, 2009 9:15 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
No
The word is
WIN.
If an adjective is required, make it:
ROAD WIN.
If a sentence is required, it is:
We are ahead of last year’s win pace, and I don’t care how they came.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 14, 2009 2:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A road win against a team that was in the playoffs last year
And it’s way early, so it’s the best time to be doing poorly, and the Hornets could easily be in the playoffs again.
A win is always nice, a road win doubly so, and if it sets a Western opponent back a bit, even better.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Nov 14, 2009 3:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
I said (I think, or at least I thought it, but I’m too lazy to go look if I actually said it) that of these last three games on the trip, this was the one I wanted most.
Conference wins matter in tie-breakers. It is still possible we could end up in a tiebreaker against N.O., too (though doubtful). If so, big edge for us there.
It is also possible we end up playing them in the first round of the playoffs. If so, great to have a game where we actually shut down CP3. Good for confidence. Won’t matter to them if they right their ship, but will matter to our guys.
If these guys go on a roll later, we only have to go there one more time. That’s a good thing.
Of course, it was yesterday that I said this was the one I wanted most. Now, it’s the Charlotte game I want most. Got to keep our record against losing teams intact.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 14, 2009 3:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Hornets could easily be in the playoffs again Mortimer?
Lol. Not a chance. I’ll check in with you at the end of the season.
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Also: COMCAST SUCKS!
by TwoDeep on Nov 14, 2009 7:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They ain't playing good
But they got one of the top 3 players alive today, and had a rough schedule to start the year.
It was good enough for near 50 wins last season, and could be again this year.
M—
by Mortimer on Nov 14, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Winning Ugly...
The Blazers overcame the dreaded ‘win one for the new Gipper’ curse, and THEN withstood the ‘win one for our injured superstar’ mo change…
Man, Chris Paul just will not want to play the Blazers any more. Totally not our guys fault, tough break (no pun intended) for a great player.
Nobody had a good night, but we won. Good teams win ugly, too… (And it sure beats losing ugly.)
by Visionary2 on Nov 13, 2009 10:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We are 7-3, but I don't like the way this team looks.
The last 4 wins have been Minn twice (a D-league team), Memphis (a dysfunctional mess), and NO (in complete disarray with no coach). This is Fool’s Gold, nothing more. There’s big trouble ahead with the 3-guard starting lineup, Brandon Roy, and Rudy. You may think “The ship has been righted and is quickly sailing forward”, but it is sailing straight for an iceberg.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 13, 2009 10:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yay
keep posting this after every win. It’s good luck.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 13, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's right on the money, though.
The Portland Trail Blazers have yet to prove itself as a team against stiffer competition. Until then, a nice dose of caution mixed with a sprinkle of skepticism is good for everyone.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 13, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Speculating about the future is less iron-clad than examining results
Right now, the results are 5 wins and no losses.
by BlazerTag on Nov 13, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The results are that in the last four games our opponents are a combined 6-33 this season.
Minn twice (2 × 1-9) + Memphis (1-8) + New Orleans (3-7). i.e. these 4 wins mean nothing.
We are playing poorly. We scored off broken plays and iso’s. We had 5 fast break points tonight. The top assist person was again Brandon Roy, but we are starting two PGs in addition to Brandon and those PGs got a total of 5 assists together. NO has no one that can defend Brandon, yet he is completely off his game in this 3-guard offense. It is only a matter of time and a few losses and Brandon is going to blow up (regardless of what he is saying now as we mop up these terrible teams).
Rudy is about to buy a ticket out of here. It is obvious he is getting tired watching Outlaw jack up awful shots (7 for 28 in the last 3 games) while he stands open and never gets the ball. We should do Rudy a favor and let him go because KP won’t step up and prune this roster intelligently. We are playing too many players too few minutes (Webster 13, Rudy 12, Bayless 11) and a few players too many minutes (Roy 38, Miller 36, Blake 32).
The rotation is practically unrecognizable 10 games into the season and as soon as this 3-guard starting lineup nonsense ends we will have to start all over again with another rotation. No wonder Webster and Rudy can’t get any rhythm in their games.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 13, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The defense looks more in-synch than at any time last year
CP3 makes a living off his ability to create off the pick’n’roll. Last year the Blazers were atrocious at defending the pick’n’roll. This year has been a serious improvement.
Last time CP3 went down with an injury with the Blazers in town, they had to come from 17 behind to win. This time, when the same thing happened, the Blazers were protecting a double-digit lead in the 3rd quarter.
I could give a rip about this team’s offensive production. They’ve already proven to me their ability to score. This year’s maturation process calls for growth at the defensive end.
Defense wins championships and I like what I’ve seen defensively from the Blazers so far this season.
by BlazerTag on Nov 13, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the glass half-full guy
says: “at least we didn’t lose to them”
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Nov 13, 2009 11:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All the facts are needed
If they hadn’t had to play us, it would be:
(2 × 1-7) + (1-7) + (3-6) = 6-27, which is loads tougher than 6-33.
Your method understates the magnitude of our accomplishment.
I like the wins. I like even more that our guys look like they are actually playing defense. And they are moving the ball, and not just standing around on offense.
I recognize all the problems you do, and I don’t like it, either. To start, we could take five minutes each from Roy, Miller, and Blake and give them to Rudy and Webster. You don’t need to prune the roster or give up Nate’s starting lineup to do that.
I think 11 minutes for Bayless is fine. I don’t care if he only gets 8, as long as he gets some run before garbage time.
Five wins doesn’t make us a contender. But it keeps us in the hunt while we’re still trying to figure ourselves out, and that’s a good thing.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 14, 2009 3:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on ---
We beat Minn twice and it’s an accomplishment because they are 1-7 rather than 1-9 because 2 of the 9 were against us?
We beat Memphis and it’s an accomplishment because they are 1-7 rather than 1-8 counting the loss to us?
Those are horrible teams with horrible records not counting the games they lost to us. New Orleans is also bad at 3-6 and we beat them when they were in turmoil (CP3 was so mad tonight i was surprised he didn’t punch out his own teammates) without even a coach and CP3 injured in the 3rd qtr. How much of an accomplishment was that?
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 14, 2009 3:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dear BFS1970
My friend, we have been together a long time. We have been fans together for 40 years. We have come to know each other on this blog.
Please, my friend, be assured of one thing, which I thought you would have noticed by now. If I am lauding the wonderful accomplishment of beating teams with a combined 6-27 record, and stating that it is “loads tougher” than beating teams who are a combined 6-33, you can be sure that it is time to turn on the sarcasm detector….
In fact, turn it on full strength. :)
I’ll say this seriously, though. We did a good defensive job on CP3. Those games are dangerous, and we never let them get into an offensive rhythm. And he was very ineffective before he got injured. The defense was good, and it has been in these games.
I agree with you that we don’t look good on the offensive end, but defense is another story. Memphis was averaging 106 and we held them to 79. We’re shutting these bad teams down, which locks up the win even when our shots aren’t falling.
Good teams will lose to those teams on occasion, especially on the road. Top teams will almost never lose to them, because they win with defense even on the road.
We have those wins in the bank. That’s good. We’re in trouble if we don’t improve on our play, too. I agree entirely. But it’s not all bad. Last year, we built a great record in large part by only losing five games all year to losing teams. We’re off to a good start in that regard this year.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 14, 2009 5:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I completely missed your sarcasm at 3:30 am. One of the side effects of insomnia I guess.
While there are hopeful signs on defense occasionally, it’s mostly because of GO. Most of the NO team shot terribly last night as we did in the first half. I don’t know if our defense had much to do with it, or with CP3’s futility specifically. I think he was really mad at the GM/new coach about his coach’s firing, so i can’t sort that out from anything we did on defense.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 14, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We were giving him little
Now, he missed some shots he would normally make, but we didn’t give him a lot of easy shots. The defensive scheme was well designed. We were funneling him into the help, and when Okafor was out we were completely ignoring their center to help out on the guards — both Greg and Joel.
It was an impressive performance. And it was ideal in the circumstances. Everyone knew he was upset anyway, so give him nothing easy and let him get frustrated. I don’t think he has great control of his emotions anyway, and we played into that really well from the start.
It may be an ugly couple of weeks in N.O. It may be an ugly season. If they had come out and got a win in this game, they all might have been saying, “Well, we aren’t enthusiastic, but this seems to be working.” Now….
They could be in such a hole by the time CP3 comes back that they can’t get out of it.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 14, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is true.
As Antonio Harvey said, " They will keep using it until it fails". I have always said, If it works and feels good, keep doing it until it don’t.
Last year, Mike Barrett ask Mike Rice, how many times will BRoy hit LMA on a pick and pop before he tries something else. the answer, You guessed it, “Until the defense figures how to stop it”. You can sprinkle skepticism on a 10-0 start by saying that it can’t last and when we get stiffer competition. I will take a 7-3 record and crow all day long. Oh, I am doing that.
hg
by BBK on Nov 14, 2009 6:25 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Where did I indicate that his remarks were in error?
You know what they say about assumptions, AK.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 13, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't openly say he was wrong, true. Still, your comment gave me a nice starting point ...
to lay down my position on the issue. So, regardless of any assumptions by me or implications by you, I think we can all agree that it’s too early to tell how Portland will fare during the entirety of this long, trecherous season that looms ahead.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 13, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
in all seriousness though,
I’m seeing this criticism about the lineup in every thread going back to when it was first implemented against SAS, but I don’t quite understand to whom the point is being made. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Bedger (at least not somebody I recognize) openly praise the lineup as being anything but a gimmick to loosen up the rotation, and one that may damage us heavily on defense. Yet people time and time again post these “warnings” as if there are posters on this site that are worshiping the 3-guard lineup.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 13, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"Skeptics" like to trot out the straw man that everyone else is mindlessly guzzling Kool-Aid. Whether it's true or not is of no consequence to such "objective" nigglers.
by Marvin100 on Nov 13, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well,
I’m not specifically pointing out AK, even though we mostly all agree he’s the resident skeptic. Really, there are a lot of posters making this same criticism. Just let it go for once, and enjoy the glory of victory.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 13, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The doom and gloom warnings
make a nice counterpoint to the optimists.
It’s kind of like decorating a Christmas tree. If all the ornaments are green, it won’t look too nice. A purple ornament here and there is cool. But you wouldn’t want a purple tree.
AK is the purple ornament on our green tree. He’s wrong when he thinks the tree should be like him. The tree is not purple, and it shouldn’t be, but that’s ok. We like having him around, so we can say, “Isn’t the beautiful green tree nice?” He’s nice as an ornament to decorate Bedge, but he isn’t green.
As a result, his comments are rarely green, but those comments that refute him do turn green from time to time. Just like a purple ornament on a tree, without being green himself he enhances the greenness of the site by giving people a chance to show their appreciation for green.
This message has been brought to you by the AK Appreciation Society.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 14, 2009 3:09 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I have an idea.
Maybe AK could get a job selling Christmas trees.
With is bubbly, positive personality he should be a natural. Who know, he might even get the chance to sell one to Paula Allen, whom I’m sure will recognize his genius and offer him an internship working with Kevin Pritchard.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 16, 2009 5:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the 3 guard line up is not here to stay. book it.
I don’t know why you don’t like the way this team looks. they are getting easier buckets this year, playing inside out, and defending better. It is an improvement over last year by quite a lot I think.
by dario argento on Nov 13, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Iceberg?
Really, an iceberg? Come on. I agree that the 3-guard thing is going to have to change, but wake up: this is Nate at his best. He works Miller in WITH Blake, then, come time to really D-up against bigger guards and better teams, Blake slides to the bench for Martell. It’s good coaching and it’s respectful to Blake. I suspect we’ll see the 2-point guard thing occasionally after that first non-start for Blake, but that’ll come down to game-by-game matchups.
Sure, the team needs to continue improving, but they’re beating the teams they need to beat, and they’re beating them easily. Atlanta will be a test at the end of this road trip, but it’s no cause for freaking out if ATL takes that one.
by travis13 on Nov 13, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When the coaches are done being too nice to Steve Blake
I’m sure the line-up will change. Hey, don’t forget about Batum either.
by Gary: Badass on Nov 13, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Our 3 guard line up hasn't been put to the test yet and won't be until the Atlanta game.
I’ll be watching it with great interest (if I can find an illegal feed that is). I’m thinking right now that there is a decent chance this 3 guard lineup will turn out okay.
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Also: COMCAST SUCKS!
by TwoDeep on Nov 14, 2009 7:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wins are like getting laid.
There is no such think as a bad one. Some might be uglier than others, but in the end it all counts the same. If you don’t like how it looks, close your eyes and pretend it’s someone else.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 16, 2009 5:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TO
Appreciated the notes on Outlaw tonight. Yeah, yeah, too many jumpers, but I dare say this was more the result of the offense struggling as a whole than TO just pulling the trigger when he felt like it. He WAS aggressive on the boards. Big put-back before the half.
Blazers are certainly winning the games they need to win, but I’m now looking for Brandon to become more comfortable in the offense. He’s getting double-teamed a lot and, consequently, frustrated when he’s shooting poorly. Still, being the guy he is, he was smiling and happy with the win at the end of it.
Let’s hope it’s Martell and Rudy playing 30 minutes each tomorrow in Charlotte — run away from the Bobcats early.
by travis13 on Nov 13, 2009 10:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
One thing to remember about Outlaw
Is that quite often he is doing exactly what Nate asks him to do with regards to taking shots. That’s his job, to go in and generate offense. His overall shooting percentage is respectable, so the times he seems like a chump, he’s making it up somewhere else.
by superfly05 on Nov 13, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I never mind those
It’s the “here’s my 23-foot jumper off of the dribble with a man in my face and 16 seconds left on the clock” thing that he needs to cut back on.
—Dave
by Dave on Nov 13, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You got my compliments.
How can you pick on TO’s lack of Offensive BBIQ when the whole team was guilty of playing with their heads in the N.O. sand. No body could hit a shot and everybody was saying will somebody please step up and start shooting. Now, if those shots would have went, what would the post be? “TO’s flamboyant offense win’s another game”. I guess that wouldn’t be. maybe “Regardless of how rotten TO is, he slopped in a couple of shots and gave us a commanding edge over a otherwise sloppy game”. maybe to the real TO naysayers, It would be “To bad Travis made those shots, now the coaches might want to keep him and I want him gone”
hg
by BBK on Nov 14, 2009 6:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
7-3 feels pretty good baby!
It’s obvious to me that we are looking to get easier buckets this year, partially thanks in no small to part to Mr. Miller ( thank you very much! ). We have 4 solid wins on the road this year and only 1 loss. 4-1 on the road. Wow. Great things are coming down the pipeline for this team.
by dario argento on Nov 13, 2009 10:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw and travelling.
Is it me or does Travis Travel at least once every game.
It always happens when he’s in the clear and starting his drive to the paint.
Can someone on the coaching staff teach him some fundamental basketball skills.
He does it every game, sometimes two or three times !!!
by BatumRaider on Nov 13, 2009 10:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't they say:
repeating the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result is the true sign of insanity?
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 13, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
did someone mention it already ?
by BatumRaider on Nov 13, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol no,
dangit you killed the joke (bad as it was). I was talking about Travis doing the same thing in every game, and getting whistled every time. I don’t criticize him for making mistakes, but I do criticize him for making the same mistakes over and over.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 13, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought his reply was an even funnier joke
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 14, 2009 3:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nevertheless!!!
The teacher said “Travis you will do that same thing over and over until you get it right, because practice makes perfect”.
hg
by BBK on Nov 14, 2009 7:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting stuff about the poor shooting, from Jason Quick's game article
Turns out the problem – at least from the Blazers’ point of view — was the ball.
“We didn’t like the ball,” Brandon Roy said. “As soon as the referee threw it to me I was like, ‘What? This is a nasty ball.’ It was just an old ball. Real old ball.”
The visiting team usually gets to pick the game ball, and Roy said Steve Blake told him that wasn’t the ball he selected. In fact, the NBA has a new rule this season that requires the game ball to have a newly stamped “genuine leather” indicator. The rule was put in to prevent old, beat-up balls from being used. Roy said Friday’s game ball didn’t carry the required stamp.
“We complained to the refs, but they said they were going to stick with it,” Roy said. “So we told ourselves to try and play through it.”
by Corvid on Nov 13, 2009 10:46 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
only in NO
game ball probably brought in by one of the few fans
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
by johnv59 on Nov 13, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just read that on Quick's piece
That’s ridiculous and it shouldn’t happen. Clearly NO didn’t like it, either. Now I’m no pro ball player, but I am a shooter and I know that the ball makes a big difference. It’s a physical thing as much as a psychological thing. Slippery ball, rubber ball, a ball that’s TOO tacky: I’m not hitting many threes.
by travis13 on Nov 13, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NBA Cares.
Recycling is a top priority.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Nov 13, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sure
but it didn’t seem to be bothering Aldridge that much.
by Gary: Badass on Nov 13, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's strange.
I noticed when Joel was shooting free throws that the ball looked old and much darker than the usually game balls.
by roner77 on Nov 13, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the ball was bad
it makes sense now. I was wondering why Joel made so many free throws.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 14, 2009 3:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good call : )
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Also: COMCAST SUCKS!
by TwoDeep on Nov 14, 2009 7:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Guess they need to save money some how
I mean, did you look at the crowd? Or, is gathering a more appropriate word?
by xedubx on Nov 14, 2009 12:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
during the game
we said there must be something wrong with the ball as a joke.
as the shooting was off so much.
by BatumRaider on Nov 13, 2009 11:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I pray to the basketball gods that Nate keeps going to Oden to start the game. I don't care if he
bricks 2 or 3 jump hooks in a row. They are high percentage shots and it’s no different than letting Aldridge chuck up those shots. He gets to miss his fair fare of early shots. I want Oden to get a rhythm going early.
by BRoyInThe4th on Nov 13, 2009 11:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It was
nice to see the other team’s big guy have to sit with early foul trouble for once.
Sucking at darts is not a super power
by 1badbadger on Nov 14, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stay Tuned. There is a lot more of that coming down the road.
Greg is gradually going to evolve from the guy who frequently gets in foul trouble to the guy who frequently causes foul trouble for the opposition.
by upper left corner on Nov 14, 2009 4:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Morty. Gregory took a sweet charge tonight. It was awesome.
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 13, 2009 11:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to put that in
Greg and LaMarcus have started drawing charges. I like it.
—Dave
by Dave on Nov 14, 2009 12:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like the blazers took care of business
on a tough night to score. You have to win those types of games throughout the season. Garbage wins still count in the standings.
SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS.
by MrGrinch on Nov 14, 2009 1:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It was good
that they took control of a toss-up game instead of letting it be taken away from them. You weren’t seeing that two years ago.
—Dave
by Dave on Nov 14, 2009 1:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect Chris Paul is about to cut-and-run
Did anyone else thing the CP was exaggerating the extent of his injury? Obviously we all saw him twist his ankle, and we can’t know how much it actually hurt… but watching Paul rock back and forth, waving his injured ankle about, screamed “look at me, look at me!” and not in a good way. His demeanor throughout the entire game struck me as CP telling his teammates how to help him win, not how he could help the team win.
His team is in total disarray, there aren’t really any other pieces to work with or offer hope, and while Chris Paul is known as a good guy/captain type, I think this year the frustration will get the better of him.
M, period. Fresh, comma.
by manzell on Nov 14, 2009 7:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
"think that"
not ‘thing the’
M, period. Fresh, comma.
by manzell on Nov 14, 2009 7:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was definitely taking charge in the huddle
during time-outs and looked pretty cheesed off.
by torsoheap on Nov 14, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's on crutches and is expected to be out two weeks
so I doubt he was exaggerating. I agree though that this could be a frustrating year for him.
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Also: COMCAST SUCKS!
by TwoDeep on Nov 14, 2009 7:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
"yeah, but"
how many guys have milked an injury out of a bad situation? how many guys have played after a few days on a sprained ankle?
M, period. Fresh, comma.
by manzell on Nov 14, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh buddy
Poor New Orleans. They are so dsyfunctional.
by 50backflips on Nov 14, 2009 9:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The best part of last night's game for me,
other than the fact that Portland won, is that Oden looked like a real basketball player out there. He’s not just a big dude, but a big dude with some moves who understands the game. I saw only one foul that was like his old fouls, but he’s keeping his arms up and eating space. On offense, he looks confident and every time he starts to make a move, I tense up because I know he’s going to throw down a dunk hard enough to rip open time and space. He doesn’t force shots and even showed a little range. If he could extend his jumper out another few feet, he’d be unstoppable or I guess more unstoppable.
I’ve been as excited this season as the past few seasons combined. Portland isn’t quite ready to go to the finals, but they’re definitely sowing the seeds.
by torsoheap on Nov 14, 2009 11:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
what has happened to the media row report?
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
by PDXBuckeye on Nov 14, 2009 12:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Only for home games, when Ben actually is in the media row
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
by Norsktroll on Nov 14, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
we did find enough money in the Blazersedge budget to send Ben on this road trip. We couldn’t afford to fly him though, so he had to drive. He should make it into Memphis sometime tomorrow.
—Dave
by Dave on Nov 14, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
come on, i thought you guys were independently wealthy!
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
by PDXBuckeye on Nov 14, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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