Greg Oden
by Aaron Sass on Nov 11, 2009 8:15 PM PST
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PrintAfter the game tonight I feel that people should be getting excited about Greg Oden. Oden is looking a lot better then he ever has. He's learning how to score in the low post, he's learning how to not foul. He's already a force on defense and on the glass. I believe Oden will keep this up. Doing what he's doing now is so great for the team. It takes pressure off of everyone.
Another point I want to make is that I was watching Mike & Mike in the morning the morning after the Denver game. They talked about Oden missing the free throws and losing the game for the Blazers. They said he was the reason they had lost. So now that Oden is doing well, why doesn't the national media praise him for it? Why do they only kill him when he does bad? That's the only time he gets noticed for anything it seems. I guess the answer is that he plays in Portland and the national media doesn't care about Portland. Even if the Trail Blazers win the NBA title the national media will pay no attention to it.
But the play of Oden of late has gotten me excited. Nothing gets me more excited during a Blazers game then seeing Greg Oden dominate it. I just want to see him do well after getting killed for being not so great last season. I want him to shut everyone up who says the Blazers should have taken Durant over him. Most of all I want Oden to be the most dominant center the NBA has ever seen. He has that potential. I also can't wait for when they play the Magic and he matches up against Dwight Howard or when they play Cleveland and he matches up against Shaq. Those will be the real tests. Oden didn't play too well against Howard and Shaq last season but it looks like Oden finally has it figured out and I'm interested to see how he plays against the two best centers in the NBA. I think whenever Yao comes back next year that Oden will have no problem with him either. Oden can not only out muscle Yao, but he can out quick him too. Yao will be nothing to Oden next season.
But I guess my message is that Blazer fans need to start getting excited for the possibilities. I understand they Blazers haven't played against any good teams besides Denver and Atlanta and they lost both. But the Blazers are starting to get it figured out now and if they played those teams again I bet it would be a different result. So get excited Blazer fans. I think the championship window is now open.
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by haildablazer on Nov 14, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
Get excited
I haven’t gone so far as “the most dominant center the NBA has ever seen”. That’s some stiff company right there. Best active center? He’s not there yet but it’s not unreasonable to forecast the possibility. He may not always post 18 points but he still changes the game just by suiting up. The blessing is in the current NBA environment, especially the west conference, you don’t have to worry about him dominating the other stars all that much. He pretty much has to deal with Nene and Pau, and a bunch of scrubs who aren’t worth his sweat.
I think this is really a great year for G.O. though. As we know, coming back from micro you expect a year of getting your balance. And he missed most of the start of last season, so this is really our first chance to see him get to find his way at the same time as the rest of the team, his true rookie season. Come to think of it, the other foundations, Brandon, L.A. and Mac are also feeling their way into this season which may just be perfect.
Doubters
People that are STARTING to get excited about Oden, are obviously doubters and most likely thought that he was a bust…. Oden was going to be dominant since day one but people and the media gave him so much SH*T for his injuries that it altered his game (he wasn’t gonna be potential ROY material after ONE year of healing from micro-fracture surgery, yet they didn’t understand that) but now he looks relaxed and having fun. Now you can tell he doesn’t give a rats ass about anyone and you can tell by his improvement. Oden is definitely going to be All star material in the next few years, if not this year.
Not Doubters -- Realists
Calm Down, Bro! Don’t be so judgemental — you’ll live longer!
The Haters and the Doubters are the ones who want him to fail, not the ones who hope he succeeds. There is huge difference between them, people getting excited to see him living up to his potential finally.
We all knew that Greg Oden had enormous potential, and most us were routing for him to show it — which barely happened last year. Last season, whenever Oden started being a force in any game, the Rose Garden would get on pins and needles — hoping this was when he started to take off, when he finally became the Greg Oden we knew he could become.
I never thought he was a bust, and I got excited during the preseason, when I saw how much he improved. That being said,his first few games this season were a little reminiscent of his games last year (except on defense), and I’m sure more than just I tempered judgement and hoped he would at least be the big force on defense.
When he started to kick it up a notch, and his offense began to flow, it is just so awesome to see that who can’t help but get excited. If you’re not excited by seeing him finally perform at a higher level, then what will you get excited about this year?
I believe in Oden
He looks comfortable on the floor. His offense is coming together. He’s fouling less. And one thing that I love is that when I watch him play I no longer think about him being one wrong fall away from getting hurt again. He’s just another basketball player who looks like he will be truly dominant in this league for many years to come.
He's more dominant then Walton.
I’m only 19 and I never saw Walton play live. I have seen tape on Walton though and Oden is much more dominant. He’s stronger, quicker, and way more athletic. By the end of the year, and this is going to be a bold statement, but at the end of the year Oden will be a top 3 center in the NBA.
Sorry, but this is ridiculous
Bill Walton at his peak was an unbelievable defender, rebounder, passer, etc. He could do it all, and for more than 24 minutes a game. Oden has a long, long way to go to get to the level of Walton at his peak. I’m talking light years.
Oden is really starting to get it though. Its a great thing.
+ 1
Young fellas, please get a grip. Don’t get carried away.
That said, I have and continue to argue that it is only a matter
of time before GO is a BEAST ! Part of that optimism has been
his youth, inexperience and willingness to play unselfish.
He’s always been a team player, willing to pass, but focused
on defense and rebounding. What made Big Red unique was his
great passing and HIGH BBIQ. Now if GO can stay healthy, he
win grow and mesh with our great young core.
IT’S GO Time !!
It's GO time !
I don't think Oden is at Walton's level yet
but lets have the old fellas calm down a bit, go back and look at Walton’s stats, and his career before saying he was the best ever. The guy couldn’t stay on the court because of injury, he never avg 20/10, he was pretty selfish in his younger years, (he sat out a whole season because the Blazers wouldn’t trade him), etc… The point I am making is not that he was a bad player, he was obviously very good. But I think he is upgraded in status because he was the key to the Blazers only championship. Lets just be real when we compare them, and right now there is no comparison, Walton was much better than Oden is right now.
But Oden has the potential to be as good or better than Walton, especially if he stays healthy unlike Walton. I was predict that if Oden stays healthy and stays with Portland than he will end his career as the best Portland center of all time.
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by usmcr3049 on Nov 12, 2009 7:29 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
For all the talk about how Oden affects the game
in ways that don’t show up in the box score, I think it’d be pretty obvious that Walton had similar (and a much greater) effect. Who cares whether he ever averaged 20/10, the guy won an MVP while playing only 58 games. In those 58 games, the Blazers were on a 70-win pace. That’s absurd, especially considering how non-descript the rest of that team was.
I never got to watch him live, but I’ve seen full games of him back in the day, and he was ridiculous. Still, when I tell someone in their 40’s or 50’s I’m a Blazers fan, even the most casual of basketball fans will respond with how incredible it was to watch them with Bill Walton. Regardless of the injuries and off the court stuff, we’ll be lucky if Oden ever gets to Walton’s level on the court.
The fact remains
that his body of work is not there because of the massive injury issues. He played 1 full season for the Blazers, he may have had the potential to be the best big man in Blazer history, but right now so does Oden. And I do see Oden turning his back on the city that loves him like Walton did.
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typo
:)
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That "fact that remains" is irrelevant to this discussion
The statement was made that Oden “is much more dominant” than Walton was. This discussion is in response to that statement, which is not well-founded.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
I am adding to the discussion
bring up different points, about the two players and I think that is a fair discussion. Oden could very well be more dominate than Walton in a Blazer uniform just by staying healthy. If he plays 10+ years in Portland at a high level then he will have done more for Portland than Walton did because he was only able to play for 1 1/2 seasons before injuries and selfishness ruined his Blazer career.
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I agree with all that
I think it was this:
but lets have the old fellas calm down a bit
That implies that the “old fellas” are going over the top in their response to “Oden is much more dominant”. I don’t really think it was over the top at all.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
hmm
If he plays 10+ years in Portland at a high level then he will have done more for Portland than Walton did because he was only able to play for 1 1/2 seasons before injuries and selfishness ruined his Blazer career.
No—only if he also wins a championship during that tenure.
You're right, he never averaged 20/10
In 76-77, he averaged 18.6/14.4/3.8 apg/3.2 bpg. He was not the leading scorer, and there were six players who averaged in double figures, with two more averaging 8 or more, so no one player was going to rack up immense stats.
In 77-78, he averaged 18.9/13.2/5.0/2.5 in only 33 mpg. That team had 7 averaging in double figures, with two more at 8 or more per game.
In the Finals in 1977, he averaged 18.5/19.0/5.2/3.7 in 37.7 mpg.
OK, that’s not 20/10. So what? Do you really think Greg is more dominant than that?
But who is talking about the best ever? All we said is that Walton was way, way ahead of Oden, and it makes no sense to say Oden is more dominant.
I don’t know if Oden will EVER be as good as Walton was for those two short years. He was better than Kareem. I am very optimistic about Greg having a much better career. But that isn’t the same thing.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Well said, jscot
There’s a big gap between Greg playing Robin to Brandon’s batman, or even vice versa, potentially, and winning MVPs.
The 20/10 cutoff is just so irritating to me in general. Using that, we might as well just say Z-Bo was better than them both.
Yeah, 20/10 is nice
but proves nothing.
If Walton plays 38 mpg (lots of players do) in either of those seasons, he’s 20/15.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
20/10 are Zach numbers
Walton, on the other hand, lived to play team basketball in the Wooden style. Anyone old enough to remember his game knows that if he was the selfish type, he could have gone for 30 every night – but he was there to win games. – Elgin
Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers
20/10 doesn't really mean anything
my point was that his overall stats were really not that “out of this world”, like many fans believe without ever checking. But looking at Bill Walton’s stats, they look like something Greg could achieve in his career easily. Take the 77 season where Walton avg 35 mins per game and the stats jscot posted above. Bill was 24 that year, Greg is 21 this year, and is avg 15.1ppg, 12.9rpg, 3.31bpg, 1.16apg per 35 mins.
I honestly believe that in 3 years Greg will avg more points and blocks per game, while coming up short on the assists, (although I believe he could avg 2-3 assists per game with more active teammates who cut off the ball) and steals.
My point in all of this, is that fans shouldn’t just automatically believe that “old time player A” is better than “current player b” because we were told so by our elders or because we remembered it that way. Memories change over time stats stay the same, yes there are somethings that don’t show up on the stat sheet, but that only counts for so much, if “current player b” ends up with higher avgs per game, and more rings, then he was better than “old time player A”.
With all that said, mostly I have just been playing devils advocate, Aaron Sass comment about Oden being more dominate right now, I don’t agree with.
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Right
Since we said Greg could become that good, I’m not sure what you are devil’s advocating about. And the original comment was crazy.
And for those two years when Walton was healthy and in his prime, the stats are awesome.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
I never said Oden was more dominant than Walton was.
Maybe you are thinking of Aaron Sass. I said Oden has the potential to be better than Walton was for the Blazers.
I know Walton’s stats, I looked them up just like you. The fact is he was only good for 1 1/2 seasons, from then on he couldn’t do anything for the Blazers because of injuries and personal decisions. He turned his back on the city that loved him, and for that I don’t think I will ever see him as a great player. Prejudices are what they are.
I brought up the point about Oden possibility being better than Walton over their career’s as Blazers, because that is what is important to me. If Greg fulfills the potential that Walton never did in a Blazer uniform then this Blazers team will be considered the best ever, not the 77 team.
Walton vs Kareem is another topic that we disagree on.
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No, you didn't say Oden was more dominant
You just jumped in and disagreed with those who were refuting the statement. :)
See my comment immediately below:
If you never saw Walton, you couldn’t possibly say Oden is more dominant. If Oden is a top 3 center in the league at the end of the year, he’ll still be behind Walton, because no one in the league today is playing at the level Walton played in 76-77 and 77-78.
Oden may become more dominant, because he has the physical tools. But he is not yet even in the same league as Walton when it comes to skills and using those physical tools. It may come, and I’m optimistic.
Do you really disagree with any of that?
As to prejudices, I see a difference between the player and the person. Kobe is a great player, but I would never support his team, whoever they are, because of the person.
I was very disappointed in Walton as a person, but he was a phenomenal player for that short period of time. Russell was a better defender, Kareem and Chamberlain were better scorers, many centers performed at a high level for much longer. But I’m not sure anyone has ever played an all-round game as a center in the NBA at the level Walton played for that short period of time. And it wasn’t just stats, it was intangibles, too.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Weird, block quote got chopped
If you never saw Walton, you couldn’t possibly say Oden is more dominant. If Oden is a top 3 center in the league at the end of the year, he’ll still be behind Walton, because no one in the league today is playing at the level Walton played in 76-77 and 77-78.
Oden may become more dominant, because he has the physical tools. But he is not yet even in the same league as Walton when it comes to skills and using those physical tools. It may come, and I’m optimistic.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
no I don't disagree with that
I said that above, what I disagree with is people thinking Walton was better than he actually was for the Blazers just because he helped bring the city its only championship. People romatisize him because of that and forget what he actually did.
Walton was great for 1 1/2 seasons, but even during those years there were better players in the league, yes even during his MVP season. AND those players repeated those feats over and over again, where as Bill wasn’t able to because of the injuries. Like it or not he was less of a player because he was unable to stay on the court.
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I agree he was less of a player because of injuries
but his MVP was well-earned and appropriate. I don’t know who would classify as better.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
He is far from Walton at this point
And that is no knock on Greg. Greg is more of an intimidator defensively. He is not yet the scorer, rebounder, or passer that Bill was. I don’t think he is even as effective a shot-blocker as Bill was, though he intimidates more shots.
Walton changed the entire game in ways that Greg doesn’t yet. Little things like releasing the outlet pass off a defensive rebound while still in the air. The ability to get the ball in the high post and put it on the floor to go to the hoop and dunk. Greg’s a good passer, but Walton was arguably the best passing center to ever play the game.
If you never saw Walton, you couldn’t possibly say Oden is more dominant. If Oden is a top 3 center in the league at the end of the year, he’ll still be behind Walton, because no one in the league today is playing at the level Walton played in 76-77 and 77-78.
Oden may become more dominant, because he has the physical tools. But he is not yet even in the same league as Walton when it comes to skills and using those physical tools. It may come, and I’m optimistic.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
I agree J
The only thing you forgot to mention is that Walton hit his teammates down the court like Payton Manning or Drew Breeze hits receivers in the end zone. He really was an amazing center.
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Fixed
The only thing you forgot to mention is that Walton Sabonis hit his teammates down the court like Payton Manning or Drew Brees hits receivers in the end zone. He really was an amazing center.
"Goals are good. Plans are better." -Ben.
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 12, 2009 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Sabonis was a great passer, too
That’s why I said “arguably”. I’m sure there were others, but I just can’t recall any who passed like those two guys.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Fixed
That’s why I said "arguably". I’m sure there were others, but I just can’t recall any BIGS who passed like those two guys.
"OK, it's going to rain tomorrow. And there is going to be a Greenpeace meeting and hippies are going to be protesting" ~ The Buffet of Goodness on Portland
Yeah, that's better
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
+ 1
I’m glad you caught yourself J. Walton was a fantastic
passer, especially from the high post. He and Luke had
the high post – backdoor cut down to a science.
Sabas was more creative in his passing (Bowling ball,
behind the back, etc.), but played with some guys who either were
not ready or had stone hands. (Buck, etc.) He also took too many chances,
thereby forcing some passes that turned into TO’s/fast break
buckets. Of course, Sabonis/Walton still have to be two of the best
passing Centers of All-time !
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PLEASE VOID THIS LOUSY DEAL !!!!!!!!!!!!
It's GO time !
Haha, c'mon dude
Walton was a legend in his own time and one of the best careers brought down by injuries. Oden is stronger and more athletic, but he ain’t anywhere close to one of the all time best centers ever yet.
I am a huge Oden homer, and I never got to see Walton play while he was in the NBA, and I couldn’t stand his announcing growing up, but he’s a legend. Oden is not a legend yet.
And the fact that I say “yet” reveals my Oden-homerdom.
Just being stronger and more athletic doesn’t equal more dominant.
Mortimer
It's always neat to see one legend discussing another legend
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Especially when Walton and Shaq get into it.
"Goals are good. Plans are better." -Ben.
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 12, 2009 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
I thought...
you were refering to Mortimer and jscot
"I play, Coach stays. He goes, I go." - Jimmy Chitwood
I'm a legend in my own slime
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by jscot on Nov 12, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Homerdom is your perogative . . .
since WE took a lot of abuse from the GO detractors.
Remember all of the BUST, G_ _ F, why didn’t we take KBone
talk ? It’s hard to bite your tongue sometimes, but when you have
been around the block a few times, patience is all that’s required.
That’s why we teach new students how to BREATHE !
It's GO time !
CRAZY TALK
Walton was as dominant as a center can be. Dude did it all until he got hurt, and even then he was pretty damn good.
Sabonis was better than Greg is now
Greg may be better one day than Sabonis’s NBA-best some day, but he is not there yet. Sabonis was a much more well-rounded player. We’ll probably never know how Oden would stack up against prime Sabonis.
Thorpe and many others say Sabonis may be the best European ever. Can you imagine if he’d been running with the Drexler teams in the early 90s instead of waiting until 96 when he was in his early 30s?
He takes a hit in peoples memories because a lot of folks just remember old-man Sabonis getting pushed around by in-his-prime Shaq, who is probably the 2nd most dominant player of the modern era. But 2000-era Shaq would destroy Greg, or Dwight Howard for that matter.
He is who we thought he would be
I don’t look to see Greg outplay Shaq and Howard yet. There is truth to the saying that age and treachery will overcome youth and skill. I also don’t Think the ref’s will let him play hard for long minutesagainst the “Big market” centers yet. But I hope all the Oden is a bust jerks shut the Frak up. Kevin Durant is a great player but Oden is going to be the Franchise center we have wanted for so many years since the big redhead left town!
It's all about the fouls at this point
The boards/defense will be there nightly, the offense is still coming in terms of consistency, but he’s getting there. This will be a great year to watch GO
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I need to stop being so hard on Steve Blake. Even though I'd rather see him as a top 5 backup PG than an undersized starting SG, he's a Bazer, he works hard, he has earned respect.
hey aaron check your email. thanks
by Ben Golliver on Nov 11, 2009 10:06 PM PST reply actions 21 recs
Why does this comment have 11 recs?
I am sad and feel left out of the recing party. :( Sad BoB.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 12, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
Its funny because people named aaron dont have email.
by tevisthe4th on Nov 12, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm so dumb!
Of course.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 12, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Not to be ignorant...
but can somebody explain the “spam” and “fanpost and 6 comments” stuff. I assume there is something wrong with this fellas post but I am not familiar with the issues.
to put it tactfully
this is a conversational blog. if all a person does is generate lots and lots of fanposts that are the same kind of thing already being written by the authors of the blog (Ben and Dave), the person ought to consider taking their writing to their own blog. Fanposts are intended for original ideas by lots of different people. While there is not a rule about post/comment ratio, a reasonable standard to apply would be one fanpost per week, in addition to commenting in other people’s posts.
i realllllllllllllllly hate your sig :(
n o offense
-BlazerFan1
definitely not.
We should all look to Mortimer as the paragon of virtue when it comes to comment/post ratio.
i realllllllllllllllly hate your sig :(
n o offense
-BlazerFan1
Mortimer
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i realllllllllllllllly hate your sig :(
n o offense
-BlazerFan1
not to mention that his first fanpost came this preseason and it was about the length of a small novel. i guess we can expect another one in about 25000 more posts.
I still thought it was boring.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
or would that should that be...
I still “think” it was boring.
I’m being policed these day’s ya know.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
He indeed has only one fanpost
But…he had 2 diaries.
"Goals are good. Plans are better." -Ben.
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 12, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
You are nuts
Check my profile kid, I only see one.
(Don’t mess up my scam here, pal, I got a good thing goin’!!)
—Morty Pie
You deleted one!
That is so cheating. I have fanposts I wish I could delete, too.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Ok, Ok, I deleted two
They were years old: one was posting the news that Viktor was brought out by the Bulls, and one was about Hansbrough staying in school for another year (everyone loved him then and it was news at the time). I decided I shouldn’t waste my time with fanposts, as I should use that time for other pursuits.
Once I did my first REAL fanpost with the pre-season report, I decided to clean it up and only have the one actual fanpost as my one and only on record.
A 1:30K ratio just looks much nicer than a 3:30K ratio.
Mortimer
My faith is restored
The fanposts you deleted coulda been a fanshot, and mighta been if we’d had fanshots back then. In fact, since it is the great Mortimer, we know they woulda been fanshots because they shoulda been.
So it was only just and right and good and truth to delete them.
The legend that is Mortimer goes on.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
P.S.
(Do you think I could get away with deleting that fanpost I made suggesting maybe we should pick up A.I.? Think anyone would notice? I’ve been wracked by guilt since the day I clicked on “Publish”.)
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
I see nothing wrong with some selective editing
You must ensure the Jscot legacy remains spotless for future generations to admire you with.
Preserving the belief of the Wise and True Jscot is much more important than keeping some silly Iverson-themed fanpost. The masses should not be confused with mixed messages such as that.
Of course, with your legendary fanposts and record setting recs, I doubt anyone will notice it even exists if you keep it.
But I’m all for simply removing it from sight, now that you’ve changed your mind about it. It doesn’t accurately reflect the Jscot of today, and is thus useless.
Mortimer
But there's another issue
As future ruler of the world, I am fully aware that people like their rulers to be imperfect, as long as they are willing to admit their imperfections, and get all emotional-feely-touchy-I’m so sorry-sobbbbbb! about those imperfections. That’s the silly world we live in today.
Now, if I rewrite history to eliminate ALL my imperfections, then people won’t actually believe how perfect I truly am, because they will think it is too good to be true.
There’s another factor, too. Some people actually rec’d that fan post. Do I want to disillusion them? If there are people out there who actually do believe everything I write, do I want to cast their recs on the rec rubbish heap? Would that be kind?
It’s a dilemma. This is the kind of thing rulers of the world (future or otherwise) have to struggle with all the time. Just how much should we rewrite history?
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
I repent of repenting over that fanpost
I just went back and read it.
My logic was impeccable, my conclusions were prescient on all points except one. I nailed the kind of guy we would get right down the line, I even described the contract (two years with a third year team option).
Sure, somebody hacked into my account and modified the post to spit out a bunch of garbage in the last couple paragraphs. But until that point, the true jscot brilliance was in full flow.
Sometimes, I can’t believe how wonderful I am.
We’re way off topic here, and this whole dialogue will probably get zapped by a moderator. Except that this is about Morty and jscot — can that ever be off-topic?
Here, I’ll go back on topic. Greg Oden is awesomeness personified, and the rest of the league is going to weep and wail for the next 18 years.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
You picked the wrong Sixer
"Goals are good. Plans are better." -Ben.
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 12, 2009 2:50 AM PST up reply actions
Like I said
someone hacked my account.
This repenting and acknowledging imperfection stuff only goes so far, and I’m done with it now. I can only handle so much of that stuff. Now I’m in full denial reinventing history mode.
Kind of like some players say the right things until the season starts and they actually have to come off the bench.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Yeah, I think it must have been AI's agent
who hacked my account on that one. :)
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
I have taken those last "bunch of garbage last couple paragraphs"...
…and printed them to use against you when you become leader of the world. I have also mis-quoted some other posts of yours to further my struggle for power and position without ability…
The future ruler of the world
is appreciative of your initiative in such matters. He always has an eye out for those who show such ingenuity.
You are likely to go far in my administration, unless of course you simply disappear.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
I'll take my chances...
…with the disappearing thing… After all I made it through the Bush years ok and you should see what I have on him!
He was born in Kenya?
I never can keep track of all your politicians over there.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Everyone STILL loves him
"Goals are good. Plans are better." -Ben.
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 12, 2009 2:48 AM PST up reply actions
Some of us WORK . . .
or try to keep up with work.
Captain Morty has a hard time typing with two hands
on the WHEEL !
FULL SPEED AHEAD !~!!
It's GO time !
That's is the extreme end of the spectrum :)
I suppose 1 to 100 or 1 to 50 if you just have a lot of good ideas at the moment seems about right. I don’t always observe the 1 post per week either, especially not with fanshots. But I usually look that I don’t have more than 1 post on the main page/the recommended posts. That is of course just a guideline, if you feel you have observed something that needs to be shared and discussed right now everyone should just go ahead. 1 post per game = you should look into your own free or cheap blog on blogspot, squarespace, bloguin, etc. since obviously you have a lot more to tell the world and feel like it doesn’t fit into the comments of another post.
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
by Norsktroll on Nov 12, 2009 4:59 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, it is bad and you are an evil person
Anyone who has never written a fanpost should hang their head in shame, or something. If everyone was like you, what kind of a world would this be? We’d just have to read Dave and Ben’s writing (oh, no!) and comment there.
I think you should ban yourself for a year or something.
Basically, your problem is you aren’t egotistical enough. If you were really egotistical, you would assume that people would want to read your thoughts because of your great brilliance, wit, razor-sharp analysis, master word-smithing, etc. And so you would write fanposts. And most people would shake their heads and say, “There goes that guy again.”
I say this because I have probably written as many fanposts as anyone. If anyone knows why people write fanposts, it should be me.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Some of us just LURK . . .
and complain about COINCAST !
It's GO time !
by walkoff41 on Nov 12, 2009 4:50 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And Phil Simmons
"Goals are good. Plans are better." -Ben.
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 12, 2009 12:28 AM PST up reply actions
Phil is even worse
He’s the kid who sat next to me in third grade, and always said the Blazers would never be any good.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Huh...
And I was thinking “Why would an ex-Giants QB talk crap about Greg?”
Yes, I realize that’s Phil Simms. Thanks, Mom.
I went with Phil Collins…
I was listening without sound - Dougall5505
by The Arkitect on Nov 12, 2009 1:35 AM PST up reply actions
I want Greg to have a good career so Phil Collins doesn't sing a song about Greg letting some guy drown.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Nov 12, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Memphis could use a 5th center
"Goals are good. Plans are better." -Ben.
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 12, 2009 12:32 AM PST up reply actions
(only knock on wood if somebody says "he won't get hurt again")
"Goals are good. Plans are better." -Ben.
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 12, 2009 12:33 AM PST up reply actions
I was knocking on wood
hoping that Sabonis4Ever stays EVIL
I didn't mean to turn you on
by dukedee on Nov 12, 2009 9:17 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
ODEN has hit his peak
Its all down hill from here.
by ODEN on a stick on Nov 12, 2009 1:27 PM PST reply actions
Yeah, it's been hard climbing up the hill
But now, baby, he’s going to roll.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
I remember posts about trading for Hill
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
Goes anybody else HATE
that in any AP article on oden on ESPN, NBA, or anywhere else after the paragraph on how he preformed in that game, the next paragraph is always “Oden, the number one pick in the draft in ’07, missed his entire rookie year with..blah blah blah” that was over two years ago why cant people get over it. and if you havent seen or heard of greg oden and need that recap, why is the NBA catering to you anyways?
Sports writers are lazy...
Once they figure out cut and paste, they only have to have one original thought every few weeks.
If Greg Oden missed his sophomore year in college people would have forgotten.
Right now he would be set to dominate his senior year. 21 years old and improving every day. People should just stop overanylizing every game he plays. If this was 20 years ago next year would be his rookie year. Just look at how Brandon played when he was 22. Not everybody can be Lebronlike.
Oden will never be
Walton because the game wouldn’t accomodate Walton today. You don’t see speedy guards cutting through the lane waiting for a center to pass them the ball (actually in the 70’s you didn’t see that happen much either), or a center playing off the guard, hell the shot blocker of today takes on guards one on one, but in Walton’s period the defense directed the guards away from Walton’s body so that he could extend his arm to the ball without contacting the driving guard. In todays NBA the pick and roll does’nt allow the defending guards to move the offense toward the end of lane; now once the player breaks the defense he has a free shot to the centers body and all the guard has to do is jump into the body of the center and it’s a foul.
I remember......
when I was in college (tooooo many years ago to admit), Dick Vitale had a NBA season preview mag. Among other things I remember that the Blazers were apparently “fast becoming Clyde Drexler’s team.” funny how direct quotes can stick in the brain for so long.
But he had an article about ranking the best Centers ever in the NBA. And he said his criteria was if you had to choose one Center to play ONE GAME, who would it be?
And he and his panel chose Bill Walton. And another direct quote I remember was “longevity aside….”
Ya, he was tragically plagued by injuries. And ya, a lot of folks don’t like him, but I think it’s easy to forget (or hard to grasp for those who never really saw him play) how great Walton was.
I'd still honk once!
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