Brandon Roy Unhappy?
by EngineerScotty on Nov 10, 2009 2:46 PM PST
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Dwight says that Ben says that Quick says that Brandon Roy... is unhappy.
Why?
Not sure. Whether Roy has said he's unhappy or not, or Quick is speculating such, I dunno. Quick made the comment on the radio, Ben tweeted about it (but hasn't posted here), and Dwight put the story up on his blog.
Possibilities:
* Brandon isn't really all that unhappy, and this is another "Iavaroni to become Blazers coach" story.
* Brandon doesn't like his dinners with Andre
* Brandon doesn't like the idea of being turned into Rip Hamilton.
* Brandon is upset about the team's slowish start
* Brandon is ticked with Nate.
* Brandon, now with his contract, has realized money doesn't buy happiness
* Brandon is upset that Congress hasn't passed a healthcare bill yet.
What's really true? Who knows.
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I know I don't know.
I feel like our boys are purposefully taking statements out of context these days to be hyper-critical too. Shouldn’t be too long before somebody makes a graph analyzing Roy’s facial expressions. i’m sure we’ll “know” soon enough. Blah.
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like all the Miller brew haha at the beginning of September
sportwriters just like to keep the pot stirred, even a quality guy like quick.
I imagine Roy isn’t happy, but largely because up to the last few games the Blazers looked out of sync and everyone, including Roy is trying to figure out how to et that groove back. Professionals are not happy when things don’t go as they should, so it is not surprising Roy is not happy…things will come around…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
I''ve been posting my thoughts on Dwight's blog
having not heard the segment in question, I’m really flying blind, but hey, aren’t we all?
If Roy really is unhappy, I’d love to hear WHY and what he thinks the solution would be. But I gotta tell you, if the answer to his “happiness” is playing more slow-down half-court hand the ball to Roy and everyone watch him go to work offense, then I think he’s going to find himself being “happy” getting bounced out of the first round the next 5 years.
For this team to go deep, we absolutely need a less predictable, more diverse offense over the long term.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
I agree.
Let’s all be careful though. It’s easy to take something Roy says and blow it way out of porportion. I won’t believe he’s actually unhappy until I hear him say it himself on live TV.
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by bforsythe on Nov 10, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Especially in a 1 sport town like this one
Lets not kid ourselves, one reason we’re such awesome fans is this is the only big time pro team in town.
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Well Quick gets stuff wrong from time to time but Dwight is just a crap stirrer. I ignore everything
that comes off his keyboard or out of his mouth. Unless I agree with it, of course.
Dwight's posters
Have so far benched Roy, traded him (and pieces) for Chris Paul, fired Nate, and bemoaned the day we didn’t trade Clyde for Harold Miner.
Those guys make O-Live look a Mensa convention.
Quick is stirring the pot again, Dwight is saying I told you so, and the local media will soon be in chicken-with-its-head-cut-off mode.
Nicely Done, Jason! With the assists to Dwight and Ben’s “twittering”.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Nov 10, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Not that I mind Ben's tweets
Just giving credit where credit is due
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Nov 10, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
give him a break
The comments on DJ’ blog are way better than O-Live.
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yeah, but
If you tell Dwight he’s wrong about anything he deletes your comment. It’s a monlogue, not a dialogue over there
If Jaynes really wanted to discuss the Blazers online, he should join B-edge and put his opinions to the “test”
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you sure about the deletes?
I’ve never seen this happen over there. you have anything to back this up, or is it just speculation?
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
I called him out when he repeatedly criticized Nate
and I mentioned a few “predictions” that he had whiffed on. Then, after he deleted that response I wrote something like “oh, so this is how it’s gonna be?” and he emailed me back. He basically said “this is my web page and you’re getting it for free so I’m gonna do what I want, etc” And so I told him “see ya later” He didn’t block my login (as far as I know) I just decided it wasn’t worth my time to make a comment below his posts
Dwight and I agree on some things, and disagree on others. There’s just no opportunity for give and take, and that’s a limited way to run a blog, IMO
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I'll agree with you on that
if someone is being a jerk or offensive, I’ve got no problem with deleting. If you are deleting something because it disagrees with you, or documents some things you were wrong about in the past, then yeah….
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
I think this is out of context
I would imagine he might not be happy with how he is playing. But I think it is too reactionary to make too much of it. It is very early in the season and I guarantee you if it is Andre Miller he is upset with Andre will get moved.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I'll take that bet...
As a poster above said, If Roy wants to win a championship, he needs to preserve his body for the playoffs, and we need a less predictable offense. Having Dre run an awesome fast break for easy hoops, and having him get the ball into Oden will both help us win now, and begin to create a championship level offense…
I’m sure I’m in the minority here, but if Roy is unhappy with Dre, I bet Roy would fetch a lot on the trade market… That would free up time for Rudy, too! (Please, don’t flame – I’m not seriously suggesting we trade Roy. But it makes more sense to me than trading Dre.)
Did you watch either of the last two games? Didn’t that running team look awesome? I know I’m very encouraged by it…
maybe we could get hinrich for him
bayless leaves over my dead body
thanks for starting Andre
by thomasikehara on Nov 10, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
trade Mr. Selfish for Chris Paul
yes, I’m kidding
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
CP3-Rudy-Batum-LA-Oden
Nice core for the next few years….
I’m also kidding
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
apparently Roy met with KP last week
but it was before the Spurs game. Wonder if he had any input on the new lineup, or if he’s become less unhappy since then.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
quick was essentially speculating and said he would talk to b roy tonight.
but basically it boils down to roy playing out of position and not getting his touches.
i think quick is overstating roy’s unhappiness.
i also think that by, say, atlanta at the latest, the starting lineup will be miller, roy, webster, aldridge, oden.
we can only hope...
the question then will be do we go back to the 9 player rotation we played the first 5 games, or do we somehow keep Bayless in the rotation, presumably by playing Rudy some at the 3 when we are in full bench mode. Personally, I wouldn’t mid seeing the Blake/Bayless/Rudy/Outlaw/Przy lineup for 3-4 minutes per half. I think Bayless is better off as a 2-guard anyway, and that lineup should really try to push tempo, which Blake has shown he can somewhat do – and if nothing else, let Bayless push tempo when it’s there (with Outlaw and Rudy on the wings), and let Blake bring it up when it’s not.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
i think when push comes to shove bayless will not get any run
by Ben Golliver on Nov 10, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, seems likely to be the case
which is too bad for him, because he’s shown himself (albeit only in 2 games) to be an effective sparkplug for 5-8 minutes per game.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
although
last night he looked horrible
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he did indeed
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Why can't we just trade Blake
WHY?
He’s just the fly in my Blazer enjoyment ointment
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
Because then you'd have Bayless and Miller
As your point guards, two guys with “high risk- high reward” play styles. Nate would have a stroke.
In the playoffs a guy like Blake becomes very valuable off the bench. He can stretch the D and doesn’t turn the ball over.
Don’t misunderstand, I’m perfectly happy with trading him, but I refuse to tear my hair out because it isn’t happening fast enough.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Nov 10, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Ok then
Here’s a solution.
Trade Outlaw to Memphis for Conley
Trade Blake and Bayless plus capspace to OKC for Nick Collison and Serge Ibaka.
Done.
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
I'd do that
But I don’t see anyone picking up Outlaw or Blake unless they need cap relief. I’m not sure OKC or Memphis qualify.
I’m pretty sure neither team would do those deals from a talent standpoint.
Would be nice though.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Nov 11, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
The only reason I suggest those two trades
Is that there seems to be some disillusionment with Conley in Memphis and Travis is popular there (you know they could use the ticket sales watching last nights game). With Travis, they can trade Gay for a need (such as a decent sg so they can move Mayo to the point) and then probably extend him at the end of the season for a decent price.
The second trade I am continually pushing because Collison just doesn’t seem to fit there. Blake would be for cap relief purposes, which could be useful if they go after a big name free agent or just to clear room for all the extensions they have coming up. Bayless would work there as a backup guard/sparkplug off the bench and could be given more time to develop. Think this one works from a talent standpoint.
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
RAWMO
the starting lineup will be miller, roy, webster, aldridge, oden.
Then Blake will be unhappy, and Jason will have to go talk to Steve…it’s a vicious cycle
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by two4larue on Nov 10, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree on the lineup
Webster gives you the same outside shooting, better defense, better ability to attach, better rebounding and less ball movement (in theory.)
And he has room for serious growth
We know what Blake is going to give us. Martell has the potential to be a star without the need for a ton of touches. He needs to correct his Travis-esque black hole behavior (at times), but he’s got a high ceiling.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Nov 10, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
Here's the Quick interview
http://vault.desjalogic.com/rcrweb/podcasts/sports/11-10-09_WAW_hour_2.mp3
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
You got a transcript?
I am too lazy to listen
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 10, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
I'm just listening myself...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Quick likes ribs and gumbo and says Blazers need to "hammer them early" with the new lineup...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Says Memphis is big and we will learn how the 3 guard lineup stacks up against a big, offensively gifted opposition.
Says the 3 guard lineup is short for for this world because Brandon doesn’t want to play the 3 and guard opposition SFs…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Predicts Brandon back to the 2 and Marty to the SF for the starters...
(i.e. Blake becomes a backup).
Indicates Nate and staff have not come to a “rock solid conclusion” about the starting lineup…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Quick: "Andre's an incredibly intelligent basketball player and his whole motive is to make other players better..."
Says that Brandon is “clearly not happy right now” on the court, citing body language.
Says he hopes to sit down and talk about these things with Brandon directly.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Says that Brandon is not that concerned about shots taken and points scored but he "just wants this team to win"...
Quick: “I just think that what they need is a direction” from Nate so they can figure out who they’re going to be playing with. Thinks Brandon is impatient to learn long-term lineup because “I don’t think he’s prepared or willing to play Small Forward for the entire year”..
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
That's the gist.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
so his complaint then is that Nate hasn't settled on a lineup and roles
welcome to the club Brandon…
Be done with it already Nate – start Miller/Roy/Martell/LMA/Oden, give Blake the backup 1 minutes, and never play Miller/Blake together. Give Rudy all the backup 2 minutes, and half the backup 3 minutes, with Outlaw play about 20 minutes at the 3/4. Tell the team to keep running, feed the big guys early and often, and give the ball to Roy in crunch time.
It really shouldn’t be this difficult…
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
same here
Nate needs to make the lineup, and the rotation, tell every player their role and go with it. Those who end up with no minutes or less than what they want just have to deal.
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If he is unhappy, I'd guess you nailed it on the head
All of this incremental lineup chang nonsense is getting ridiculous. From the moment training camp started, it should have been pretty clear that Miller/Roy/Batum (or Webster)/Aldridge/Oden were going to be the starters. Instead, we started with Blake and Joel starting. By the end of the preseason Oden had displaced Joel. After 5 games, Miller displaced Webster (?), and at some point, Webster will almost certainly take back Blake’s spot.
So in the month that they’ve been back from vacation, there have already been 2 major rotation changes (not counting when Nic’s injury forced a new lineup) with an obvious third looming. In this time, how many teams have even made one change that wasn’t prompted by injury?
Thanx Timbo
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 10, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
There was more
Quick said that Roy is unhappy guarding larger SFs. This is not news, Brandon has mentioned this dislike in the past. I think #7 thought heading into this season that his days guarding 3s were over (he lost weight, Martell was back, etc) Then Batum needed surgery and (to quote Michael Corleone from The Godfather) Roy is thinking to himself “just when I thought I was done guarding these big guys, they pulled me back in!”
Who should be concerned the most about Brandon’s unhappiness? Rudy. Tonight Fernandez only played 18 minutes. even though he shot well and didn’t turn the ball over, Nate just decided to play Blake for 30 minutes and Miller for 31. Meanwhile, Webster only played 16. When Roy goes back to starting at SG that “should” result in more minutes for Martell (starting at the 3) and less for Rudy— unless Nate keeps sending Roy out there to guard SFs. The 3 guard lineup will only last as long as Roy “lets” it last,and based on Quick’s comments today, it doesn’t sound like that will be much longer.
Jason said that he and Brandon will have a little chat about this, and it will be interesting to see that article, later tonight or tommorow
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OK, but hasn't Nate said right from the very beginning, that he saw this
lineup working for maybe the next half a dozen games because of favorable matchups? Doesn’t any of our media listen to anything? Why are they even talking about long term or the rest of the year for this group. Nate said from the beginning that wasn’t happening.
Here here!
My thoughts exactly. All media types (our own included) take whatever is said into whatever context they deem favorable to their own arguments. In the end, it’s all about selling stuff. W’s and L’s, on the other hand, speak for themselves.
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Roy said the other day he didn't mind
Because last year Nic took the hardest player to guard so Roy matched up with a lot of SF’s.
Yep.
It’s true. Brandon has discussed that before. Most everything we are reading about this team is based on specualtion and unrelated opinions. I read it all but, in the end, only believe the scoreboard.
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Brandon, now with his contract, has realized money doesn't buy happiness
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
Jason Quick
Has to justify his job by ginning up fake controversies.
No seriously, folks, this is nothing.
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Brandon's body language
during the T-Wolves game sure was terrible. All that smiling and laughing with his team, he must be miserable, lol. Seriously, it was a bad shooting night with a solid all around game, I don’t see the big deal here.
I hate Comcast
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I need to stop being so hard on Steve Blake. Even though I'd rather see him as a top 5 backup PG than an undersized starting SG, he's a Bazer, he works hard, he has earned respect.
Agreed about the T-Wolves game
But before that, I noticed some frustration when Miller didn’t get him the ball quickly enough. Or dared to drive himself.
Roy is “The Man”. He’s one of the nicest one of those in the NBA, but that doesn’t change the fact that he thinks he should have the ball when he wants it.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Nov 10, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
I think Brandon is just sad
that’s he’s gotta go on the road for a week and be away from his wife/kids
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Lol, last year Oden and Martell and Sergio were allegedly unhappy, now Roy, Nic and Rudy are unhappy. Drama.
They should make a video together, like the happy guys from OKC.
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
Time for remixes " Bust a Bucket" and "Can I get a Headband"?
We have made the finals in every year they’ve released a song. Sounds like some clear cut causality to me.
apparently barrett is on canzano’s show now and doesn’t sound happy about this roy stuff, according to bustabucket’s twitter. anyone listening?
was kind of listening (while working)
he was pretty much downplaying the whole thing. somewhat contradictory to Quick
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Paraphrasing Mike Barrett
“I’m not saying it’s not true…” but it’s not true. He basically repeated that 3 or 4 times
No they don't.
We do.
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I don't know. but it feels like Quick is making a big deal out of nothing again...
Geez… I guess his problem is he’s too sensitive. It’s good to have a sensitive touch as a reporter as it sometimes helps him to connect with players, but not good when he pulls something out of thin air and overblows it like this.
And one of these days
Someone is going to take exception with his “feelings” and plant him. JQ better hope it’s not Oden.
I’m betting we get a tap-dancing, semi-retraction/ “I never said…” on Quick’s podcast this week.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Nov 10, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah...
Somebody should tell that dude we’ll read his stuff becuase we love our team, not because we’re looking for controversy. What does he think we’re a bunch of high-school girls? Undutchable already touched on this, it’s like his favorite TV show… :)
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Roy looked so pissed last night
I charted his body language and based on knowledge I have of his personality from Myers-Briggs tests I came across some pretty shocking results.
This team is ready to implode.
I could be wrong
It’s also possible that the team is learning to play together with two new pieces, Roy is saving his body for the playoffs and Oden is learning to do his thing.
Only time will tell.
Don't be so rational.
This team is on the brink of disaster.
"Rudy is not everyday a shooter," Fernandez said. "He's defense. He's passes. He's assists."
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