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Game 4 Recap: Blazers 83, Thunder 74

No matter what anyone says, my elbow is better than the back of your head.

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No matter what anyone says, my elbow is better than the back of your head.

 

Two questions surrounded the contest between the Blazers and Thunder tonight.  The first, most immediate, and most important is simply, "Would the Blazers win?"  The answer, thankfully, is yes.  Portland took advantage of Greg Oden's interior dominance, Brandon Roy's bull-headedness, and some timely jump shooting to outscore Oklahoma City in an ugly game in which the offense for both teams was sporadic and sub-par.  The game came down to a contest of wills and Portland, with more experience at winning when things go astray, took it in the fourth quarter.

Surprisingly the Blazers failed to control the boards in their usual fashion.  The Thunder snagged 14 offensive rebounds on the night, 7 by Jeff Green alone.  The upside was that Greg Oden vacuumed up everything that came his way off the glass.  Do not take his rebounding ability for granted just because you're starting to see it every night.  He is one of those guys who can bend the game just from the caroms he retrieves.  He looked like a force tonight.  He didn't get every rebound but for the most part if Greg was near it nobody else was getting it.   The rest of the team ended up looking fairly mediocre on the boards as a whole, a couple of vibrant plays excepted.  You just didn't see the Blazers wrest control of the glass, the game, and the tempo early.  That made it a more difficult affair than it needed to be.

On the plus side the Blazers broke down the Thunder early by getting it into the lane.  Greg Oden (a second mention!) had a couple of nice post moves which caused them to pay attention to him.  Jumpers followed and after that cuts off of screens.  This kept the Thunder wondering where the attack was coming from and led to a couple of sweet-looking halfcourt sets...the kind where the pass is as spectacular as the finish.  That, combined with OKC missing a ton of otherwise makeable shots, gave the Blazers a 10-point lead after the first quarter.

At the beginning of the second period with largely reserves in the Blazers' offense stalled completely.  They went one-on-one a great deal, resulting in an astonishing number of turnovers.  At one point they had committed 7 TO's in 6 minutes.  It was like the team collectively lost its brain.  Everybody was over-dribbling and then bail-out passing.  The ball never got anywhere near scoring position.  Meanwhile the Thunder were gaining energy off the break and by making mincemeat out of the Blazer defense using Russell Westbrook.  Westbrook would end up with 9 turnovers on the night but he also sliced and diced repeatedly, making the Blazers look powerless to stop him unless he coughed it up.  The Blazers promptly and obligingly lost their lead, finishing the half with 39 points, heading into the locker room up 2.

Portland extended its lead by only 2 points in an equally ugly third quarter.  The offense once again consisted of everybody exploring their own possibilities for several seconds before getting stymied and bailing out with a pass to someone else...who explored their own possibilities for several seconds before getting stymied.  It's not like the Thunder were putting on a defensive clinic.  They didn't have to.  All they had to do was follow the ball.  The big exception was Brandon Roy, who actually made threatening moves off the dribble.  He didn't produce points in the quarter but he did break down the defense, allowing guys like Webster and Blake to find shots.

Roy kept the ball in the fourth, drawing multiple fouls.  Webster and Blake continued to chip in.  Oklahoma City, meanwhile, forced shots.  When the Blazers smelled the blood in the water they upped the pressure, converted the points, and never let the Thunder up off of the mat.  Badda-bing, badda-boom, wrap up the victory.

But that brings us to the second question of the evening:  "Would the Blazers win in such a way that evidenced sustainably good basketball, so as to make you think they had their act together?"  The answer to that one was no.  Granted, Portland likely would not have won this type of game on the road a couple years ago.  In that sense they have shown strides and due credit is given.  You don't have to worry about the Blazers chucking a game like this because they fell apart or failed to exert effort.  But concerns remain nevertheless.

This still doesn't look like a team that trusts each other on offense when under any kind of pressure.  The ball movement is beautiful when the defense breaks down.  Portland isn't going to pass up opportunities and between Fernandez, Miller, and Roy they have the chops to convert pretty plays.  But when the defense is even remotely decent the offense devolves into watching somebody work or passing fruitlessly without real attack.  The Blazers certainly have the talent to exploit individual matchups but it's not the best part of their game.  More to the point, until Roy steps in and just takes over it doesn't look like they're trying to exploit matchups on purpose.  They seem more like they lack better ideas after their initial screen doesn't produce a shot, so they just give it to somebody who looks likely, saying, "Do something!"  Often that person tries to create for themselves, drawing the defense, but others don't react in time...maybe because they're not sure yet what's going to happen.  So you end up with an awkward jumper or a guy getting double teamed, having to stop, and not being able to make an incisive pass to find the open man.  Or, as in the second quarter tonight, you end up with turnovers.  Basically the ball slows down to a crawl and even mediocre defenders are all over it.

This is still a team that's giving up more free throws than it takes.  The disparity tonight was huge until that fourth-quarter run the Blazers made.  For whatever reason the Blazers just aren't able to attack the rim with enough authority to draw calls.  Either they eschew the drive in favor of the jumper or they get in there and put up something that looks weak enough that the officials have a hard time blowing the whistle.  Obviously Brandon Roy is a huge exception, but how long can our offense consist of him penetrating and defenders, knowing exactly where the attack is coming from, setting up to knock him out of the sky?  Whether through re-designing the scheme or through more individual commitment the Blazers have got to find a way to get to the line.  Without fast break points it's about the only option for easy points.

In a similar vein, Portland has some good shooters but hoisting 21 of 69 attempts from distance is too high of a ratio.  They hit 38% of those threes tonight but many nights that's not going to happen.  Or even if you don't want to say "many" nights, there will be at least 8-10 games this season where the long ball just isn't dropping.  If that's your most devastating assault you're going to lose most of those games.  How many games will the division be decided by?  Western Conference seeding?  Flirting with the three can bring a lot of excitement and zest to your day, but it's fickle and you don't want to tie the knot with it.

The Blazers continue to have trouble with individual defensive matchups and then trouble again covering.  Turnovers aside, Russell Westbrook was doing some NSFW things to his defenders tonight.  That would be Not Safe For Watching, at least if you're a Portland fan.  Had Kevin Durant had any kind of offensive evening (and he was brutal for most of it) Westbrook would have killed us and we likely would have lost.  We have problems defensively at point guard still.  We have problems covering for point guards.  We have trouble when Greg Oden gets drawn into screen situations with a point guard.  Back in the day opponents could break us down with half a move and any good pass.  Nowadays it has to be a good move and it usually takes two passes, but we still get broken way too much.

In the end this is a little bit like forecasting the economy.  Certain indicators seem to say the recession is over.  Others aren't budging.  Who knows really?  But it's pretty certain that even if the Blazers play 75-80% of the games facets in good fashion, that missing 20-25% is going to keep them away from the status they're seeking.  Over the long haul they need to build cohesiveness...far more than we're seeing.  The short-term goal is winning while growing.  Hopefully we'll see a game pretty soon where it all snaps together, confidence builds, and winning basketball builds upon itself.  Until then we're due for more ugly nights and nail-biters.

Individual Notes

If you're going to have a bail-out plan in an otherwise ugly game, Brandon Roy is a fine option.  Despite the 5-17 shooting night he wasn't going to let this team go down.  He dropped 5 dimes and kept the pressure on once it became apparent that the game would be hard-fought.  16 points in 39 minutes.

LaMarcus Aldridge went down with a knee contusion after only 12 minutes of playing time.  He made a conscious effort to get inside.  Unfortunately he was met by a swarm of defenders there and thwarted.  But he stayed aggressive, rebounded the ball well, and even dished 3 assists in his limited minutes.  The Blazers have to find a way to keep LaMarcus deeply involved if they want to win consistently.

Greg Oden pretty much feasted in the middle tonight.  This was one of those game which, were this 2012-13, he would have scored 30 and grabbed 15 boards.  In 2009-10 it was 12 points and 10 rebounds.  He also played 29 minutes, about 7 more than he's been used to, with only 4 fouls.

Martell Webster matched Roy for a game-high 39 minutes and scored 10 therein.  His main contribution was defensive, as he responded to last night's minute-reduction with a bunch of hard play.  He was rewarded with 4 steals, 5 rebounds, and generally poor shooting from his opposing counterparts.  To say that was all Martell would be a stretch.  But he helped.

Steve Blake scored a Blazers-high 18 tonight, hitting 4 of 5 threes.  He was a good offensive outlet and did what he was supposed to.  Defensively he was just overmatched.  He collected 5 fouls, experiencing the full wrath of Westbrook.  He got 31 minutes because, to be fair, who on the Blazers was going to stop Westbrook?  That doesn't change the fact that it's a problem even if it's not unique to Steve.

Travis Outlaw played 32 minutes and shot 4-10 for 12 points and 6 rebounds.  This wasn't a reliable night for him but he did alright in a Travis-esque way.  He's just a gamble in so many ways.  On some nights that's fine.  He's the dagger in the back the opponent can't guard against.  But on nights when you need a reliable frontal assault Travis often comes up short.

Andre Miller played 20 minutes, collected 4 fouls, rebounded the ball 3 times, scored 4 points, and didn't manage an assist.  He tried to face down Westbrook a little more aggressively.  It was the right idea but it didn't work much better.

Joe Przybilla had 5 rebounds and 4 fouls in 17 minutes.  The Blazers keep trying to give him the ball in traffic which is a bad idea.  If that pass is available it could be because the opponent doesn't care if you make it.  Joel needs his teammates to create such a threat that his man leaves him alone with a seam. Then he can catch and convert.  Otherwise he's a one-man No-Passing Zone.

Rudy Fernandez had 2 steals in 14 minutes but had trouble hitting shots or making plays for others.  They had him set up the offense a little but he dribbled a lot with not much result.  Still a work in progress.  With Jeff Green out there dominating the boards it was hard to field a smaller lineup, which probably pinched Rudy's minutes.

Juwon Howard got 9 minutes and managed 3 fouls, a bucket, and a turnover.

Final Thoughts

It'll be interesting to see how the Blazers respond to Atlanta and San Antonio, each a tough opponent presenting disparate challenges.  The Hawks may be a kick in the pants to get the Blazers into high gear.  If Portland doesn't come to fight for 48 minutes they'll be trouble though.  You can feel the humidity thick in the air.  There's going to be a lightning strike somewhere.  The question is will it be the Blazers igniting and striking another team or will that discharge happen within the team itself as frustration boils over?  It's not like the Blazers are in bad shape.  They're 2-2, reasonably close to 3-1.  But it's been a tough 2-2.  Hopefully it gets easier soon.

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Nate needs to make up his mind

he can’t keep switching players every 2 minutes. It;s not good for anyone.

Miller needs to be the main point guard with blake a close second. They need to decide on webster or outlaw. Webster seems to be the obvious choice at the moment. Our centers need to quit frigging fouling.

the chemistry is not there yet and these questiions should have been anwsured in offseason.

I should not be biting my lip watching portland play OK when durant couldnt score for the life of him. Something is wrong.

anyways GO BLAZERS!~

by blazermania92983 on Nov 1, 2009 10:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

the decision really isn't between Webster and Outlaw right now, especially if Aldridge misses some time

Both are going to have to play, though if Aldridge is good to go, I’m all for reducing Outlaw’s minutes and playing some small lineups with Roy at 3 at times.

by jksnake99 on Nov 1, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We look about like we did last year at this time

Playing a lot of close games. It wasn’t until February that we started consistently blowing other teams out.

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by skywaker9 on Nov 1, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

great recap

a few quibbles:

  • Shooting 3s has a positive correlation with winning. There is nothing wrong with shooting 3s if you have good shooters taking them. Sure, there will be games where they aren’t going in and you might lose, but it will also win you games you would have lost if you were relying on mid-range stuff. Portland, in particular, should continue to shoot 3s because offensive rebounding often leads to some of the most open looks, and offensive rebounding is a big strength for the Blazers. So, keep shooting 3s.
  • I too thought this was a really good game from Greg. I’m interested that you think in 3 years he’ll put up 30 in this type of game. I have trouble seeing that— partly because he’s still awkward offensively— though he had a couple good moves tonight— and partly because his teammates still aren’t recognizing when to throw him a lob. So, I think its a stretch to assume he’ll ever dominate to the tune of 30 points against the “softer” centers. I’d settle for 20ish along with the good defense and rebounding he provided today. Also, I wish Nate hadn’t subbed for him so early in the 1st quarter when he had a pretty good rhythm going.
  • There’s plenty wrong with the offense right now, but I have to assume the turnovers will correct itself to a significant degree— limiting TOs has been a Blazer strength for a couple years— I don’t see any reason why it won’t continue to be that way.

Overall, it was pretty ugly but at least it was a road win, which was very much in doubt once Aldridge went down. The Blazers were lucky Durant was so off— Webster played him well, but with KD’s length he’s going to be able to get his shot but he missed them today. So did Roy, to be fair.

by jksnake99 on Nov 1, 2009 10:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

To add to your first point...

Miller should be banned from taking 3’s, as we all know he’s not great at them, or even decent.

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Nov 2, 2009 12:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Normally I like it when players take lots of 3s, because in general 3s are good and efficient shots. Miller is the exception, he ought to know by now that he is not an effective 3-point shooter and should not be taking those shots.

by trk on Nov 2, 2009 12:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

on greg oden

I have a dog/puppy that is almost a year old (that’s 7 to me and you), amd she looks like an adult dog but she is really gangly and lanky and hasn’t really grown in to her body yet. When I watch Greg play it seems the same, like he hasn’t full developed physically. I don’t mean he is still growing but he hasn’t matured yet, but what I see is awesome. My biggest worry with him is he may be to nice. I want him to have a little nastiness to him. If he can get a little edge he can be the immovable force we talked about in Physics 101.

by kaisersoze on Nov 2, 2009 1:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Like the analogy

Rumour has it that Greg did grow either during or since last year….7’1" in shoes now apparently.

"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane

by MadBlaze on Nov 2, 2009 1:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

According to draft express

He was 6’11" without shoes, and a flat 7’ with shoes.

Quick or someone said he had grown an inch or so since then.

Trusty Draft Express pre-draft measurements from 2007

by Mortimer on Nov 2, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not gonna look up where I read that, but I read different.

I hope you’re right, because height is a big advantage during those rebound scrums when everyone’s jumping off their toes.

by MiledAnimal on Nov 2, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Doing this without LMA the Thunder killer

Is pretty impressive.

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by skywaker9 on Nov 1, 2009 10:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

A win is a win

but the execution tonight will not get it done against either ATL or SA. I think I see what Nate is trying to do with Greg (limit his minutes in the interest of the end of the season) but I really wish he’d let him keep going when he’s off to a good start. It’s also on GO to bring the intensity in his 2nd/3rd shifts like he does at the beginning of the game. All in all, the big man played well, and could have had a handful of additional points if our wing players would pull the trigger on the open pass.

Blake shot well tonight, but the defensive play from the PG position continues to be an area of concern. Tony Parker against our guys might get ugly. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again – Free Bayless. Norsk said it in the Gameday thread, and I agree 100%: Russell Westbrook = Bayless with minutes. There will be growing pains, but letting this guy rot on the bench is a real waste of talent.

I’m very happy that LMA’s injury does not appear to be serious, but watching the action tonight was a reinforcement to me that LMA, not Roy or Oden, is the player this team can least afford to have injured. Travis at the 4 is entirely dependent on the matchups (tonight was okay since OKC uses the Green/Durant forward rotation heavily). Trout has been working hard on the boards this year, but 30mpg at the 4 is not a recipe for success. Juwan is a heady, veteran player, but at this stage of his career, it would be pushing it to expect more than 5-15mpg from him. Again, I still think we see a trade in season from KP to address this area, especially if LMA has to miss time for some reason.

Marty Blazer – I am so happy for this guy. I think we might see the breakout year (12 and 5, imo) that we expected before the injury last season. He’s showing that he is a solid starter in this league, he’s working hard on D, hitting from deep, and the first step is not a rumor, it’s real. With GO’s offensive game still developing and Rudy coming off a pretty taxing off-season, Martell could emerge as the consistent #3 offensive option and the player tasked with guarding the opponent’s best wing.

Thanks for the writeup Dave. Go Blazers!

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I believe in Greg Oden

by blazeraddict on Nov 1, 2009 10:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

ATL is a strange team

They could just as easily shoot the lights out as get blown out. Fun to watch but probably not that great overall.

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by skywaker9 on Nov 1, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The game in Portland last season

was pretty good. I’m with you – they’re very athletic, but streaky shooters. Either world-beaters or bottom feeders, you never know with them. Johnson and Roy always bring it against each other, so that will be fun (I think Roy’s established himself as a solid #3 in the 2 guard derby, but Johnson isn’t giving him the spot without a fight).

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I believe in Greg Oden

by blazeraddict on Nov 1, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Our two games vs. them the season before last

Were both the same, ATL goes out to big lead, can’t hit a shot afterwords, Blazers comeback and win late.

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by skywaker9 on Nov 1, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Russell Westbrook comparison to Jerryd Bayless is junk, since the former is quicker laterally, ...

rangier with is length, and technically skilled at defense. Unlike Westbrook, Bayless isn’t adept at fighting through screens, can’t clog the passing lanes worth a damn ’cause of his tiny wingspan, and is prone to fouling like a madman due to his overaggressive bump-and-grind style of one-on-one perimeter defense.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=2008&sort2=DESC&draft=15&pos=1&sort=6

Dear Paul Allen:

Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.

Sincerely,
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by AK1984 on Nov 1, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

AK we've fought this battle before

and the one thing I think we can agree on is that neither of us is changing our opinion. But I think I can get you to agree to at least a from of detente, because, as a reasonable individual/observer of the game, even a Bayless hater such as yourself would agree that of the 3 primary players who can guard the PG position on this roster, the player most suited to chasing around the Paul/Westbrook/Parker/Rose types of the world is Jerryd Bayless. I would argue that adjusting to refs, clogging the lanes, and fighting through screens are skills that can be developed over time, as the more experience and savy a player develops, the more tricks they can come up with to avoid obstacles, both made by the opponent or their own physical deficiencies. Further, with Steve Blake struggling mightily on defense and (until tonight) with his shot, coupled with the fact Blake is in a walk year, the time is now to see if Jerryd Bayless can be a contributor in the future for the Trail Blazers.

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I believe in Greg Oden

by blazeraddict on Nov 1, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I will concede one point on the comparison issue

Bayless strikes me as a more physical, more committed to defense version of Monta Ellis than he does Westbrook

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by blazeraddict on Nov 1, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd go with Louis Williams over Monta Ellis for a comparison, as offensively Jerryd Bayless ...

is more about the dribble-drive game than the mid-range jump shooting game — which is what separates Williams from Ellis — however, Russell Westbrook has the potential to blossom in a few years like Devin Harris did last season. I don’t project that career arc for Bayless in any way, shape, or form.

Dear Paul Allen:

Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 1, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Being overaggressive on defense at a young age is NOT a bad thing.

It shows a commitment on that end of the floor, which is probably the single most important trait in order to be a good defender. Want proof? Walt Frazier averaged 4.5 fouls per 36 minutes his rookie season, exactly the same as Bayless. Gary Payton averaged 4 fouls per 36 his rookie season. Rondo averaged 3.6 as a rookie. In terms of defensive minded point guards, Bayless is in great company.

The league is filled with super athletic guys who never make a huge impact on defense. The fact that Bayless obviously cares about that end of the floor means WAY more to me than anything else. Physically he’s strong enough to guard the post against Billup, Miller, and Kidd types. His lateral movement is good, better than most. My eye-balls just won’t concede that point. He stays in front of his man better than most guys on the roster.

I’m not sure what you are seeing exactly. Hollinger (not a Blazer homer) sees him having good defense potential. The fact that you keep repeating the same old myth about aggressiveness as a rookie being a bad thing is just weird. The two greatest defensive point guards of all time had about the same foul rate.

by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 1, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Which reminds me.
Hinrich’s biggest defensive limitation is a propensity for fouling, especially when he’s defending against bigger wing players. He averaged nearly a foul every 10 minutes, which is a lot for a guard… only nine shooting guards fouled more often.-Hollinger

by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 1, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, I may be too hard on Jerryd Bayless about his propensity to foul in the backcourt. Still, ...

that doesn’t change his inability to fight through screens effectively or lack of ballhawking — which is a staple of Rajon Rondo and Kirk Hinrich, who last season had steal percentages of 3.0% and 2.5%, respectively, compared to “Jay-Bay’s” 1.4% steal percentage — due to his tiny wingspan.

Dear Paul Allen:

Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 1, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you.

I do agree that however that his tiny wingspan might be a problem. I said it before the draft before I ever thought he would become a Blazer. It’s also one reason I thought OKC made the right choice with Westbrook. If you’re banking on potential anyway you might as well take the guy with the better tools.

Hinrich is amazing at stripping the ball. I love it. Always pestering bigger players. I would certainly trade Bayless (Or Rudy for that matter) for Hinrich. The guy would fix soooo many of our problems.

I just think some of your Bayless criticisms are over the top. He’s got some potential. Predicting his career path at this point is impossible.

by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 1, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bayless does not have a tiny wingspan.

He’s 6’2.5" tall and his wingspan is 6’3.5". So if you want to be precise, he has long arms, not short. Not Nic Batum long, but longer than his height.

Okay Mortimer, make a liar out of me.

by MiledAnimal on Nov 2, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the correct measurement

but by NBA standards, that IS a tiny wingspan. Most guys in the NBA have significantly longer wingspans than they are tall. OJ Mayo could be considered to have an average wing span for his height, and he’s about an inch taller than Bayless with a 6’6" wingspan. Roy, who no one thinks is particularly long has a 6’8" wingspan on a 6’5" frame (measured pre-draft).

There’s a reason every scouting report mentioned Bayless’s tiny arms. What’s normal for an everyday person has no bearing on what’s normal for an NBA player.

by Royster on Nov 2, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bayless has tiny, baby arms by NBA standards.

If I’m not mistaken, he has the shortest wingspan of anyone taken in the first round in 2008. He tied for last place with 5’10 Augustine.

by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 2, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

*Sigh*

Then B-Rex it is.

by MiledAnimal on Nov 2, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Westbrook is Bayless with a lot of playing time

He is now learning the finer points of commanding a team (while still turning it over and shouldering a lot of the scoring). And Bayless is sitting on the bench learning the rudimentary feeling of playing in the NBA if we are lucky.

But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart

by Norsktroll on Nov 2, 2009 2:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I love that the OKC fans apparently chanted

“We’re the next Portland.” tonight. You only hope OKC. If your owner wants to spend $ that is.

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by skywaker9 on Nov 1, 2009 10:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I am impressed so far this season

with gregs ability to pass out of the double team and find open shooters, his rebounding and defense have looked good so far and the rest will come with time.

by blazerhawk on Nov 1, 2009 10:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I also like the work TO is doing on the boards

He is really much better at going after them.

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by skywaker9 on Nov 1, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was watching the Denver game with my brother

He came in late, and I said “Outlaw’s rebounding”…. he replied “Is he sick?”

Nice to know I wasn’t the only one surprised by the fact he’s FINALLY crashing the boards

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Nov 2, 2009 12:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Seems like half of his boards he snatches from GO.

Oden would probably be averaging about 15 rebounds per game by now if Travis started hunting down his own.

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by Re-signha on Nov 2, 2009 12:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly I don't care who pulls them down as long as they're in a Portland Jersey

Plus, IT’S TRAVIS REBOUNDING!!! How can you argue with that?

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Nov 2, 2009 12:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have no argument with Travis rebounding but...

On about three occasions Travis and Greg were fighting for the same board only to lose it – once it went to Blake, once to Roy and the other time to OKC from memory. Would rather those two figured out better spacing in the middle – with Greg as the under the basket vacuum type guy and Travis the athletic jump and grab long or awkward rebounds (which hid did do spectacularly on a couple occasions tonight).

That is all.

"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane

by MadBlaze on Nov 2, 2009 2:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Blake did the thing he has to do which is hit the open shot.

Still im convinced that miller is a better option to get the bulk of the minutes. If he and Roy can figure it out they will be fearsome on offense.

by tevisthe4th on Nov 1, 2009 10:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Phew. At least we're better than the Thunder.

Barely …

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by bfan on Nov 1, 2009 10:51 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

nice jksnake99, rec'd

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by shamman on Nov 1, 2009 11:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

What game were they watching?

ESPN Recap

Oden scored six of Portland’s first 10 points but wasn’t a major factor through most of the game.

by CleBlazer on Nov 1, 2009 11:23 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

What season

were they watching?

—Dave

by Dave on Nov 2, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Don't you love basketball "experts" who understand nothing about basketball?

It’s kinda comical. They think the story of the game is all in the stat sheet—especially the scoring totals.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Nov 2, 2009 2:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

They’ve made their minds up – GO is a bust if he doesn’t score 30 ppg. Doesn’t matter if reality gets in the way of that falsity or not…

I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden

by blazeraddict on Nov 2, 2009 8:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

greatest pic ever

is now my desktop…

"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"

by Eat Politicians on Nov 1, 2009 11:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Great Post Dave!

My Thoughts:
Basketball is amazingly deep. And its really hard to get every thing to work perfectly. There are so many facets and aspects and possibilities. To ever win a championship, every player on our squad will have to play at an insane level. Every team in NBA history has some losses, some off nights. Our cohesiveness will get better. Lucky for us we have the talent to compensate for lack of on-court familiarity. And to quote one of my favorite Rolling Stone songs, “Time is on my side” time atleast is on the Blazers side anyways. Just one game at a time is how we will conquer!

The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!

by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 1, 2009 11:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It seemed like this was a game that the Blazers won without really playing very well

This game, the Thunder looked like a bad defensive team. The frequently left shooters open when they didn’t need to and sometimes lost track of players under the basket leading to dunks and layups for Blazers. However, the Blazers didn’t really do a good job of exploiting the Thunder’s weak defense.

*on a few plays the Blazers looked confused and didn’t have good spacing, which made it difficult to get good shots.
*It makes sense to have the PG spotting up in the corner while the SG is at the top of the key breaking down opponents off the dribble when the SG is Roy and the PG is Blake. When the SG is Rudy and the PG is Miller it does not make sense. I’m all for letting Rudy create off the dribble from time to time, but that set up just isn’t making optimum use of the players on the court. That set would probably work better with Miller as the ball-handler and Rudy as the shooter.
*Juwan Howard is a significant downgrade from Aldridge on both ends of the court. If Aldridge is out for very long he will be missed.
*Defensively, the Blazers did a decent job. They did not, however, do a great job. They mostly looked good because the OKC offense was poorly run and Durant could not hit the broad side of a barn.
*Brandon Roy still has the annoying tendency to stop and argue when he doesn’t get a foul call instead of hustling back on defense. That said, it is understandable that he was complaining because the officiating was pretty lopsided at times in this game.

At one point they had committed 7 TO’s in 6 minutes. It was like the team collectively lost its brain. Everybody was over-dribbling and then bail-out passing. The ball never got anywhere near scoring position.

It should be noted that 6 of those 7 turnovers were caused by the officials. I have never seen so many travel calls and offensive fouls in such a short time before. The ball did get close to scoring position a few times, but whenever it looked like someone was about to get a layup they were called for a travel. Even if the calls were technically correct, those are things that the officials usually ignore. It just seemed like the refs had some sort of vendetta against the Blazers for a while.

by trk on Nov 2, 2009 12:23 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

One more thing

I know Blake had a good game today, but in general he isn’t a very good player and has been terrible throughout this season and preseason. Andre Miller hasn’t been good this season or preseason either. They also play the same position. So there is no reason why they should both be on the court at the same time as long as Roy and Rudy are both healthy. Please, no more 2-PG lineups.

by trk on Nov 2, 2009 12:30 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

"in general he isn’t a very good player"

It depends on what you want your point guard to do. Playing with Roy I want a point guard to knock down open 3-pt shots (because that is the 2nd or 3rd option in many of Nate’s plays and B-Roy creates open shots for the PG) and dish out a reasonable number of assists without committing turnovers. Blake is among the league leaders in assist to turnover ratio with 3.22 assists/TO last year, so that criteria is satisfied. How many point guards have shot 40% or better from the 3-pt line (at least 1 attempt per game) and dished out at least 5 assists a game in the last 3 years? Here’s the entire list:

1) Nash 3 years 2006-7, 2007-8, 2008-9

2) Blake 2 years 2007-8, 2008-9
3) Nelson 2 years 2007-8, 2008-9
4) Calderon 2 years 2007-8, 2008-9
5) Billups 2 years 2007-8, 2008-9

6) Kidd 1 year 2008-9
7) Hinrich 1 year 2006-7
8) Terry 1 year 2006-7

Blake is one of only 5 PG’s to do it in 2 of the last 3 years, and one of only 8 PG’s to do it even once in those years. That’s some pretty good company to be in.

Is Blake as good a PG overall as those other 7 guys? No, but we ain’t getting any of those guys. Most significantly he comes up way short in defense, but he’s done a better job than the “Flying None” Miller, who got pulled in the first half tonight for his terrible defense. Blake also comes up way short running the fast break, but I don’t think Nate would let Nash or CP3 run the break here. I’d love for Blake to be able to take the ball to the hoop like Miller can, but I’m not ready to trade that for Miller’s 3-pt shooting (or his 18-ft shooting either) in Nate’s B-Roy offense. If Miller is going to start then Nate needs to change the offense to match Miller’s skills, because right now it is almost optimal for Blake (as well as B-Roy). That said, I like what Miller should be able to do with Rudy and LMA if Nate lets them run and freelance the offense more.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 2, 2009 1:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Blake does some good things

Maybe I should have said that, as a shooting guard, Blake is inferior to both Roy and Rudy. I still don’t think Blake and Miller should be playing at the same time unless Roy or Rudy is injured.

by trk on Nov 2, 2009 1:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

But Rudy was having a bad night tonight. I wonder if his back is worse. He brought his trainer over from Spain to work on his back. Link

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 2, 2009 2:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wondered about that too

but when I looked back on it the calls themselves were not that unusual. It was the frequency. However the Blazers also put themselves in the position of standing out there all alone, holding the ball for 3 seconds, and then making some kind of move one-on-one off of shuffled feet. In that situation you’re more likely to make the call obvious. Had the Blazers taken three steps each on their way to 6 dunks in a row not a one of them would have been whistled as a travel. We made ourselves vulnerable and then goofed up out there with no cover.

The drive where B-Roy got whacked across the arms and there was no whistle did get me riled a little though.

—Dave

by Dave on Nov 2, 2009 12:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was stuck listening to the game on the radio, and missed about a third of it.

I was glad that they clamped down on the Team Formerly Known As The Sonics, but they never should have let the pressure off to begin with. Keep the foot on the throttle and you’ll scare people!

The TFKATS is probably about 4 years away from where we are right now… They’ll need to figure out that they need to open Bennett’s wallet to get where we’re at now, and to get to where we’re going.

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Nov 2, 2009 12:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

4 years is a lifetime in the NBA

They are 2-3 years behind at most – thats taking this year for them being equivalent to our 32 win season, which seems possible, or our 41 win year, which is also plausible.

Getting an effective post presence either through the draft or free agency next year will be required for them to take that step into the 54 win realm within the next couple years. I believe Presti will do that so long as the owners aren’t complete cheapskates. If this does not happen then your 4 year prediction might be right, or they will just never develop into a team that can win consistently.

"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane

by MadBlaze on Nov 2, 2009 2:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

4 years is a lifetime in the NBA

They are 2-3 years behind at most – thats taking this year for them being equivalent to our 32 win season, which seems possible, or our 41 win year, which is also plausible.

Getting an effective post presence either through the draft or free agency next year will be required for them to take that step into the 54 win realm within the next couple years. I believe Presti will do that so long as the owners aren’t complete cheapskates. If this does not happen then your 4 year prediction might be right, or they will just never develop into a team that can win consistently.

"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane

by MadBlaze on Nov 2, 2009 2:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It all depends on who they pick up in the draft

They got nice flexibility, and two good pieces on Durant and Westbrook (Green should be sold high, because he is not capable of defending any position on the court). But like you point out, they badly need an interior presence on both ends of the court. And better playmaking.

If they draft a good inside man this next lottery, they could become better quite quickly. If not, and it takes 1 or 2 more drafts to get there, they got a few years left of lotterydom.

They have a lot they need, despite winning their first two games, and they could get a high impact player in the draft that really elevates their team, or maybe there just isn’t one available. I can’t say how many years away they are until we see who they draft, but the team they currently have won’t ever be a good team.

Luckily for them, the team they currently have won’t be their team forever. Very few players on their roster are guys they are looking to keep, for better or worse. They just need to draft a few more good players, use their cap space wisely (I don’t see any truly impactful free agents willing to go to OKC for less money though), sell high on the kids that don’t work out, and then they’ll be good.

Easier said than done, of course.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Nov 2, 2009 2:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just looking through their options for the upcoming draft/free agency

Pretty bleak. Cole Aldrich looks like the only C with the potential for immediate impact, although Dexter Pittman is intriguing : P

Free agent centre’s are either old (Brad Miller, the two O’Neals, Camby) or just plain bad (Kwame, DJ Mbenga, Hilton Armstrong). Best options would be David Lee (who I wouldn’t want to rely on as a post defender), Brendan Haywood (probably the best option) or Joel if he opts out.

As I said – pretty bleak.

"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane

by MadBlaze on Nov 2, 2009 5:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They could draft a PF who are plenty in the next draft (Favors, Motiejunas, Davis, Henson, Monroe, Patterson), and move Green for an established C if they wanted to.

And next year guys like Lee (who I was surprised they didn’t try to get this year), Ilgauskas (unrestricted), Kenyon Martin (ETO), Yao (ETO), Amare (ETO), the mentioned Camby (unrestricted), Milicic (unrestricted), Jermaine O’Neal (unrestricted), Kurt Thomas (unrestricted), Primoz Brezec if he returns to the NBA (unrestricted) could all be free agency options. if the owners are willing to spend the money. Which is the real open question.

But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart

by Norsktroll on Nov 2, 2009 6:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd guess they go for the draft option

or Lee if they can get him at around $8 per again. Even though Bennett is no George Shinn, he’s not exactly James Dolan or Paul Allen either, and they’re already going to have to hand Durant a max extension next year and potentially deal with Green, so adding a big name guy on top of that would mean adding something like $150 million in new salary commitments even if they re-sign Green for cheap. That’s a whole lot of coin for anyone to stomach, especially with the CBA up in the air after this summer and revenues not looking great as their sellout streak is dead.

by Royster on Nov 2, 2009 6:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I dunno the draft options that would really help them (I don't follow the NCAA)

But those FA bigs don’t look too promising, except for I guess Amare, though I don’t see him going to OKC.

I could see them not going for Lee for a few reasons… defense for one, the price Lee wants for another, and if they do believe Jeff Green is the answer at PF.

M—

by Mortimer on Nov 2, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Looking at the names mentioned

How many do you realistically think could land in OKC?

Ilgauskas – retired or unlikely to go anywhere but a contender
Martin – Will stick around as he is hideously overpaid
Yao – Going nowhere
Amare – Ain’t going to OKC under any circumstances
Camby – Will be 36 so don’t see the point for OKC
Milicic – Has proven time and again, despite more than enough chances, that he stinks
O’Neal – On the decline and likely to be overpaid due to ‘contract year’ syndrome
Thomas – Probably retired
Brezec – Is he any better than Kristic

I don’t see any good option other than Haywood, who is also somewhat questionable as he will be 30 but at least could be had for a reasonable price.

Should have gone after Gortat, he would have been good for them.

"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane

by MadBlaze on Nov 2, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just hope

That we don’t see this team lower their play to match the opponent. Next to Oden’s development, the biggest thing on my wish list is a killer instinct. If there’s a good matchup (especially down low) I want to see it milked until the other coach calls ‘shenanigans’. I want to see non-playoff teams get dominated, because that’s what elite teams do.

A championship team doesn’t win ugly against bad teams because they can get away with it; they crush their spirits and play Bayless for the entire second half because turnovers don’t matter with a 40 point lead. I want to see Greg Oden end away games by tossing the other team’s best cheerleader over his shoulder and bringing her back to Portland as a permanent reminder of Blazer dominance.

by JonathanPDX on Nov 2, 2009 12:30 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The link to Quick's article on tonight's game is a good read

Hopefully this was Oden’s breakout as far as intensity

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Nov 2, 2009 12:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good win

on a back to back. Hopefully the Blazers never lose to OKC ever again.

by BBG on Nov 2, 2009 12:37 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

REC!

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Nov 2, 2009 12:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Games like this are a lot more fun when you just ignore the bad calls. I'm just surpirsed Webster isn't getting whistled

for his lock down defense he plays. He really fights with the players and they let him get away with it. Great win tonight, but we can play better defense.

by BRoyInThe4th on Nov 2, 2009 1:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

It was good to see Webster playing hard defense tonight after he got pulled for lack of effort last night.

KD had a terrible once-a-season game, but Webster helped that along. Webster’s got his share of fouls this year, but he has to establish a reputation of a tough defender to get fewer calls later in the year.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 2, 2009 1:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The guys dodged a bullet

But maybe they were due a bad shooting game by Durant after the way the Rockets shot it the night before.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Nov 2, 2009 2:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Penetrating and drawing fouls

Let’s face it, Roy is the only player among the guards and forwards who is truly good at going inside to get good shots and draw fouls. Despite his very impressive dunk tonight, Webster has some trouble to beat his man off the dribble and then holding onto the ball in traffic. It’s similar for Travis, and when he creates separation he usually rises up for his jumper and doesn’t continue to push to the rim (similar ballhandling issues). Rudy’s skills driving to the rim and drawing fouls was elite in the ACB, but in the NBA it’s just mediocre. Nic is showing some signs to become good at it especially when going baseline and after grabbing offensive rebounds (which is also a strength of Rudy, but he then usually moves the ball out again), but he is hurt now and the role of the small forward in the Blazer’s offense is limited anyway.

Miller likely is our best hope for improvement on those fronts at the moment (along with Bayless, but he won’t play much). He can post up, and he has the skills to go inside and kick out the ball to an open shooter if he can’t score himself.

Apart from that, it looks pretty bleak. This team could really need another more aggressive and dynamic wing player like Wallace, Butler, or even the fairly inefficient Gay which would do wonders to improve this, potentially even tipping the scale to make the Blazers look more on attack every night to sway the refs into calling more fouls for us. Alas, we are likely stuck with what we have and it’s unclear if one of them can develop into a player who commands more easy baskets instead of jump shots.

But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart

by Norsktroll on Nov 2, 2009 3:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Jerryd Bayless?

free bayless

by Cablinasian on Nov 2, 2009 7:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can games get unglier? (statistically anyway)

The Blazers were at .76 Points Per Possession. That is just awful against a bad team. How bad? The Thunder only managed .65 PPP. I am trying to fathom how a team can only score 74 points on 127 possessions. Their 26 turnovers helped, but still…. they didn’t outrebound us. And yet they still came up with 21 more possessiosn then we did. Since we didn’t out reoudn them, their turnovers practically won us the game here, so i will give it up for our defense in that regard.
Again our offense is a struggle. If we average .76 a game this season, we’ll barely be over .500 at the end of the year.

by zersrule on Nov 2, 2009 7:11 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Durant has a healthy reaction to their loss :)
Headed to practice…another day to get better…blessed that I am able to play this game everyday

But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart

by Norsktroll on Nov 2, 2009 7:33 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Martell is key this year... Rudy needs work

Looks to me like the Blazers are playing much, much better with those guys on the floor. I would give Martell much more credit for KD’s offensive struggles than Dave did. Obviously, KD missed some looks he normally would’ve knocked down, and you can’t say Martell is the sole reason why Durant shot .004% from the field or whatever. But nobody keeps Durant from getting at least a few decent looks. Martell really made him work though. Without Marty, Blazers do not come close to winning this game.

I remember seeing a picture of Rudy in street clothes this summer, and my first thought was wow, our man needs to hit the weight room and the cafeteria in a very big way. He is just too skinny to be anything more than a specialist right now. He was getting shots off the dribble against 5’11" Ty Lawson, but he’s just too flimsy to get those shots against any legit perimeter defender in the NBA, which relegates him to a spot up shooter and an occasional alley oop guy.

 I didn’t think Blake did a bad job on Westbrook at all – I thought he had one of his better defensive outings I can remember. Westbrook is uber-quick and for the most part, Steve hung with him.

While grotesque, I actually thought this game was somewhat encouraging. The Blazers got a win with Lamarcus on the bench, Roy struggling, and the whistles blowing decidedly in the wrong direction (there must have been some sort of opening week traveling quota that had to be filled in the second quarter – considering that guys regularly get three steps this season, that was amazing).

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Nov 2, 2009 7:34 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

my bad
Looks to me like the Blazers are playing much, much better with those guys on the floor.

That was originally meant to refer to Martell and Greg. Definitely not meant to refer to Rudy. Blazers have generally looked bad with Rudy on the court, with the exception of when he’s being guarded by someone under 6 feet tall. He’s not doing enough on either side of the ball.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Nov 2, 2009 7:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I worry about Rudy's physique as well

It’s one reason that I don’t think he’d be the starting SG on a good team— he’s gonna guard Kobe, Wade, etc? On a bad team, sure, but he’s so tiny.

Now I never expect him to get big, but he isn’t very defined for what he could be. Keep the lightness, the ability to cut around picks and lose his man easily, but get that body fat % down and get wiry strong.

Rudy’s clearly a very smart player, and that helps him stand out as well. He just doesn’t need to only be a 3 point shooter and sometimes-passer. He could be more. He needs time to develop all of it for the NBA, but he needs to develop his body more seriously as well.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Nov 2, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy could be the starter on a team with another defensive wing

that took the tougher assignments, it’s not like Rip Hamilton or Reggie Miller were winning any bench press competitions. That said, I’m a little leery of our current Rudy/Roy wings being our go-to lineup in crunch time. Both are obviously super clutch, but I just can’t shake the feeling that in the long run we’re going to give up too much defensively by basically ceding the elite wings whatever they want in crunch time.

As a terrible, small-sample size example, look at the Nuggets game. Rudy was killing it for that first 10 minutes he was in with 16 points with 8 FTs without missing a FG, but we were -7 during that time span while Melo had his way with us (admittedly, Rudy was only -5 with Melo on the court during that same span). Being able to score isn’t late isn’t going to mean squat if we can’t get a stop to save our souls. Roy simply isn’t going to be able to exert enough effort defensively to make the elite guys work for their points when it’s already late in the game and fatigue is setting in.

Obviously you don’t base anything off one game with a guy as hot as Melo was that night, but it’s something that concerns me a little bit going forward.

by Royster on Nov 2, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

Maybe this is why we need Roy to be PG instead of SG and play alongside Rudy (SG) and Webster (SF)…it still gives us the outside shooting threat that Roy usually has with Blake and a better defender on the opposing SF position. Rudy/Roy can interchange who they are guarding based on the matchup (or who is less tired…)

"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman

by clinchmobb on Nov 2, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Geez, I dunno

Put Roy at the point on a regular basis and you can REALLY kiss fastbreak action goodbye. And how in the world is he going to defend those little waterbug point guards like Paul & Brooks? Not that Blake or Miller have shown any propensity for that assignment…

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Nov 2, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When I'm down in Portland ...

… I don’t have computer access, so I miss seeing what gets said on BE.

However I do get to watch the games. So far this season I’ve caught the Denver and the 2nd Houston game. Both losses. And while disappointing, I came away liking most of what I saw.

The loss to Denver basically came down to missed free throws. I don’t think we are going to see a lot of that over the course of the season. The Houston loss was a bit tougher to take, but we were playing them on the road after beating them 4 days earlier. The Rockets had the motivational edge.

Most of the problems I see look to come from the simple fact that the Blazers are still learning to play together. Webster and Miller are basically new guys and the starters also have to learn how to play with Greg, rather than having him come off the bench about half the time. And to all the Nate doubters – he too has to figure out not only which of his guys mesh together, but factor in nightly matchups and going with in game performance. Just because a player plays well in a certain lineup and is coming off a 25 pt – 6 reb performance doesn’t mean he’s going to do the same the next game. If he’s off to a slow start and the team is misfiring because of it, Nate then has to start improvising. And ultimately, it is up to the players to execute. The coach can send in the plays and determine the lineups, but he can’t hit shots or grab rebounds.

I didn’t get to see the OKC game. Reading Dave’s recap, it sounded pretty disappointing. Then I looked at the box score. Based on it, I don’t see what the angst is about. We just missed winning by double digits. The starters were all pretty much in double digit numbers on +/ – . The only poor showing was from the bench. I can live with our bench getting occassionally out played by the oppent bench, particularly when our starters are blowing out the opponents starters.

So far, there is only one Blazer – Andre Miller – I’ve been even slightly disappointed in, and I figure that it is far too soon to start picking his game apart. He deserves at least a quarter’s worth of the season before we should consider passing judgement.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Nov 2, 2009 9:54 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Why was oden pulled in the 1st?

He was clearly in the flow of the game and off to a great start and then Nate pulled him with 5:45 to go in the first?? WHY?

He had no fouls, 6 points, a block, and 4 rebounds. He could have had a great game but Nate subbed him out for no reason and then Oden looked out of sync when he came back in.

I dont get Nate’s substitution patterns at all right now.

Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Nov 2, 2009 10:00 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not quite

He had no rebounds which is the only reason I could think he would be taken out.

Boneheaded move though

"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane

by MadBlaze on Nov 2, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Recapping

what I’ve said before about the early season efforts, the coaching staff seems to be feeling out the team and it shows, I think, in the offensive execution. The blazers could have won every game this season so from a defensive standpoint they are going good, I think. However you win games with offense and clearly the fluidity isn’t there and it’s leading to easy points for the opponents.

The coaching staff is still pondering what to do with Miller and I think it shows in the offense because the Blazers don’t seem well prepared. Perhaps Nate is using some early games to convince players to go along with lineup changes?

I’m encouraged by the early going in the Thunder game where Oden got the ball.

by 7677maniac on Nov 2, 2009 10:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Honk Once!!!

LOL.

Oden is improving that is good to see. The refs do give him some extra attention, but he will get better defensive awareness when to pull those arms back. I like the fact that he is going after balls….at least trying to block shots…Most NBA centers try to stay away from the rim to avoid “getting dunked on.” If you are a shot blocker you have to go after those balls.

by tbirdad on Nov 2, 2009 10:58 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

A shot blocker is inevitably going to get dunked on...

they simply can’t get ’em all! I agree with you, Greg goes after everything in his zip code, and it is great to see. It is also what gets him in foul trouble. It is hard to fight instinct when you are such a beast!

"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman

by clinchmobb on Nov 2, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Leadership...

I put this on Roy, Blake, and Miller:

They seem more like they lack better ideas after their initial screen doesn’t produce a shot, so they just give it to somebody who looks likely, saying, “Do something!” Often that person tries to create for themselves, drawing the defense, but others don’t react in time…maybe because they’re not sure yet what’s going to happen. So you end up with an awkward jumper or a guy getting double teamed, having to stop, and not being able to make an incisive pass to find the open man. Or, as in the second quarter tonight, you end up with turnovers. Basically the ball slows down to a crawl and even mediocre defenders are all over it.

When a play breaks down or is defended well, it is up to the PG or Roy (who often handles the ball) to re-set and run another play. I rarely see them calling for the re-set (especially Miller). Instead you get the wrong people trying to create for themselves which is not our strong point (except Roy). I understand you gotta do what you gotta do when the shot clock is running down but we should have some quick set plays for this very purpose. As Dave mentioned, too many time we are just running iso after the set play breaks down…

"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman

by clinchmobb on Nov 2, 2009 11:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Roy needs throw a Wii party and invite Miller

He should invite the whole team and they should do shots. The day after the next day, they’ll be a good team.

by tominhawaii on Nov 2, 2009 4:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Watched a decent portion of the game yesterday

What I saw were great spurts where we looked “rusty” but seemed to know what we were doing. These plays involved players that have been out a while or just being introduced.

I saw spurts that were amazingly quick and clean. Specifically a pass by Aldridge to a cutter stands out in my mind as well as a few other moves like that from other players.

I saw spurts where everyone faltered and it felt like people didn’t know what to do to be effective.

I see a team that’s going to be very very good when it clicks.

I see players that look like they’ll fit very well once the rust is removed.

With Oden… I see a guy who’s completely unstoppable but still gangly like a teen that hasn’t finished growing into his body yet. He still reminds me of a boy out there instead of the man who declares this land his land. I actually saw a guard push him and he took two steps back. Vets will take that flop to exaggerate the foul and help pull attention to it. I mean, if the force is strong enough to move oden a few feet… it’d likely send smaller guys flying.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Nov 3, 2009 8:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs


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