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Dear Mr. Stern


Now that the preseason has been underway for a week, and every team has played a game, I thought I would just drop you this little note.  There's a few things that just aren't entirely clear to me which I thought you might be able to help clear up.  Since I know that, more than anything else, you are concerned about the fans having confidence in the integrity of the competition in the league, I'm sure these questions are near and dear to your heart.

Star-divide

I have noticed that Darius Miles apparently isn't on anyone's training camp roster, Mr. Stern.  As a fan who has implicit confidence in the league office upholding equal opportunity for all, this concerns me greatly.

It was evident last year that Mr. Miles could have a home with a team that was looking to improve themselves on the court.  He was able to gain a spot in the top 12 players (active roster) of one of the most respected of NBA franchises, a franchise manifestly motivated to put the best product on the court at all times.  Clearly, this man's career is not over.

This makes it even more troubling that he cannot even gain a spot on the training camp roster of any team anywhere in the league.  We know that training camp rosters can be up to 20 players.  Surely, if Mr. Miles were one of the top 12 on one of your fine franchises last year, he can crack the top 20, nay, top 15 on at least one team now.  In fact, we know he was so valuable last year that it was worth it for a team to put him on the active roster even while suspended so as to help him clear his suspension.  Are we now to believe that he doesn't even warrant an invite to any team's training camp?  One of your most esteemed GMs, in an unbiased statement which could have no ulterior motive, said, "Without question, he can play in this league."

Mr. Stern, it grieves me to ask this question, have the franchises of your league colluded to freeze out this fine player and gentleman?  Has Paul Allen bribed them to join in his franchise's spurious allegations about Mr. Miles' health?  I have searched for any other explanation of this, and can find none.

It is true that there are allegations about some off-court incident or other during the off-season.  I find it hard to believe that Mr. Miles could be involved in any such incidents, but even if it were so, and Mr. Miles were to sadly be suspended, it is evident that teams would be willing to overlook such things and work with Mr. Miles to overcome such an obstacle.  Based on recent history, it is obvious that inconveniences like this would not be a hindrance to resurrecting his career.  We know that teams could have no ulterior motives in such actions, but be driven by strict self-interest in improving their teams.

Mr. Stern, I have always been impressed by the league's willingness to acknowledge that the league's own doctor was wrong in Mr. Miles' case.  This was a wonderful maneuver.  If the doctor had said that Mr. Miles was fit to play, he would still have been on Portland's books, so they could have prevented him from playing for other teams, and even traded him as an expiring contract.  By the league doctor getting it wrong, Portland still pays his entire salary, became a luxury tax payer instead of recipient last year, and they lose cap space now.  Any possibility of Portland getting any benefit from the millions being paid to Mr. Miles was taken away by this wrong diagnosis by the league doctor.  This was actually a brilliant move on the part of the league which has obviously been beneficial, and gloriously, all negative consequences of this wrong diagnosis were born by Portland and none of them by the league.  Truly, sir, you do know your business..  It has allowed Mr. Miles to further his career, for he is obviously fit and healthy and able to play -- but now, there appears to be a conspiracy denying him again.  Will the league allow this to stand?

Sir, I am troubled by this situation.  If Mr. Miles cannot even make a training camp squad, the conspiracy theorists will have a field day.  Some may even float the ludicrous notion that Mr. Miles is not really healthy enough to play basketball, and that two of your franchises informally colluded to circumvent the intent of the CBA, one to hinder a competitor and the other to gain financially.  They will even point out that one of these franchises not only received an increased share in luxury tax of approximately $196K, but also benefited by significantly increasing the disbursement to low revenue teams

Such an absurd idea should never be countenanced, of course, but we know how things tend to spread, don't we?  There were reports earlier this summer that one of your franchises had made a brilliant financial move by signing and playing Mr. Miles, not because he helped the team, but because of the financial impact on Portland and the increased luxury tax which that franchise received.  You see how these things spread.  Even people in Memphis are going to start to suggest their goal isn't winning.

Do you really want to see Portland make an appeal to have the Miles cap space reinstated?  Do you realize, if they do, how difficult it will be to reject it while maintaining an appearance of even-handedness, if Miles can't even make a training camp roster?  Surely, this must be avoided.

I would urge you to get to the bottom of this as soon as possible.  Find out who is blackballing Mr. Miles.  Inform the franchises that they are to play to win and so must give Mr. Miles his chance.  It is not too late.

Sir, there is another matter which I feel I need to bring to your attention.  It is the status of preseason games.  Sir, I was always under the impression that these did not count.  They are not included in season standings, statistics, etc.  But I was overjoyed last year to learn, in fact, that they do count and a player can "gain credit" for games played even while a suspension is hanging over his head (for which they don't count).  This lead me to think that the status of preseason games was changing, and that these non-counting games now "count".

This is a good thing.  I like preseason games, because the off-season seems to drag for a long time, in some years anyway.  But now, I am dismayed to find that not all preseason games are on LPBB.

Sir, how can we have confidence that we are being told the truth about who plays non-counting counting games if we cannot see them?  How will we know which teams are helping players to overcome scurrilous attempts to medically end their careers?  Again, the league's integrity could be called into question here.  Perhaps you could take action of some sort.

Sir, there is one other thing I must call to your attention.  We know how important it is that there be competition in the league, and that one team not be allowed to achieve total domination.  This would be especially true if that team were not in a major media market, for financial reasons which it is understood you should not discuss publicly.  That San Antonio situation will wind down soon, and it's about time.

Sir, I recognize the valiant attempts the league has made in the past year on this front, as one particular team seems to be building a powerhouse that could destroy any semblance of competition in the league for years to come.  I appreciate the noble efforts of the league on this front, extending to your medical staff providing faulty guidance, and to interesting and varying interpretations of the import of preseason games.  Truly, you are to be commended.

But sir, I watched the highlights on NBA.com the last two nights.  This situation is not going away.  Despite all you have done, it appears to be worsening.  More is needed, sir.  Their center is looking, well, pretty good, sir.  And you did notice that they managed to parlay the cap space they did have into a pretty good player.  Do you really want another "San Antonio" situation to develop, just as that one is nearing its end?  More is needed, sir, and perhaps soon. 

What happens if no team from California makes the Finals for years?  Do we really want to see that happen?  Do we?

With Warmest Wishes (www)

jscot of Blazersedge.com

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Tom Penn should focus all his energy in getting our cap space back...

but since Stern is a stubborn dictator, I find it hard to believe that we can change his mind

by broyposse on Oct 8, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

bm?

Uh, bowel movement pics? Oh, blackmail! Duh.

My team went to the playoffs in my first year.

by pxilpooshr on Oct 8, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blackmailing stern?

Is there anything more that would humiliate a reasonable person more than to be credited with Mr. Stern’s public actions? He has treated the league with the respect Hitler gave the jews, and the Black Dahlia Avenger gave to women. (Are we allowed to make honest and frank assessments of the quality of people’s actions here? I’m not sure with the rules that went into effect a few months ago. If not I’m sure a mod can see to it that this section is revised.) There will be no coping with a mad dictator, and the allowance of such power is absurd. Yes, the blazers were set to dominate. We saw it from the spurs, to some degree, over the last decade, we saw it from the bulls to an extreme degree (though Chicago is a bigger market), and we saw it from the celtics decades ago. A brilliant GM, an excellent group of team players, a desire to win that outweighs the desire to be overpaid, and a little sprinkling of luck, when those things are combined…

The miles situation was poorly handled. Were the NBA a publicly owned company it would’ve been enough to bring about a movement for a vote of no confidence. I certainly would’ve taken the effort to make sure my shares votes were counted. This article has been supremely crafted. Penned by an impeccable hand, and duly recognized for its brilliance. I tip my hat to Jscot.

by lurtsman on Oct 8, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Godwin's law FTL.

It is a figment of someones’ imagination who got beat down in an argument because he did something that extrapolated to a similar endpoint as the National Socialist party.

Although lurtsman is using it in the way Godwin described.

On the other hand Harold Godwin is my favorite King of England.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Oct 8, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anything I can do

to reduce conflating David Stern’s time as NBA commissioner with the systematic extermination of 6 million Jewish people alone (I know there were many others) is worthwhile in my eyes, even if Godwin himself sucked at online discourse.

by Royster on Oct 8, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do you mean by… anything?

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Oct 8, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Calling out absurd hyperbole

although I was always more of a King John fan myself. Signing the Magna Carta and all, especially considering Harold Godwinson totally got his butt kicked by some Normans.

by Royster on Oct 8, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on...

Godwin totally kicked Harold Hadrada’s (sp?) butt in north England, then ran all the way to southern England to find that the Pope had excommunicated him (he was a devote Christian). There he met William in battle where Saxon warfare was shown to be largely more effective than Norman knights & bowmen, but was defeated through his troops lack of discipline (you try running the length of Britain and back), and some say, because he sought death after his excommunication.

I do like Prince John. However, that gay old Richard was great as long as they could keep him out of England.

(All of my undergrad humanities were either philosophy or history of england classes.)

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Oct 9, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Touche.

Think you have me there, then.

by Royster on Oct 9, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Basically lost because they wouldn't hold their position

when the Normans were on the run. Broke ranks to chase them, and that gave the Norman knights an opportunity.

Of course, since it was an arrow that got Harold, he might not have come through alive anyway, but if his troops had behaved themselves, he’d have been a victorious martyr instead of a defeated loser.

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 9, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why don't you just go FROTW on him

and force him to make something happen.

At the very least, Darius could make an excellent replacement ref.

Kobe is my profile pic because of this beatdown I received.
Blake > Andre

by prezofdeath on Oct 8, 2009 7:36 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I thought about that too, prez, but then remembered

that Stern thinks he is the CROTW and would likely view with distaste a request from the FROTW.

by MiledAnimal on Oct 8, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I go FROTW on someone

the things I say only APPEAR to be “requests”.

Let that be understood in future, and do not make this mistake again.

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 8, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tonight's Octagon matchup: Jscot and D. Stern.

I’d pay BIG money to see that. $1.98 at least.

by MiledAnimal on Oct 8, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Given the current exchange rate

that’s more than a pound. Get two other friends to pony up the same amount and I’m in.

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 8, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd pay 400

if I’m allowed to use a sharp stick and jab into the cage during the match… :P (obviously not at jscot)

by lurtsman on Oct 8, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You lost me who is this "sir" you speak of.

to me sir is a title of respect I think this article would be much more accurate if you replaced sir with weasel.

by Escrote on Oct 8, 2009 7:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If the rest of it is sarcastic,

what would make you think that part isn’t?

As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.

by jscot on Oct 8, 2009 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't allow sarcasm in my fanposts

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 8, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

reading this reminded me of

the screwtape letters by CS Lewis.

I'm going to come up with the best line here ever, something really clever.

by musicdaniel on Oct 8, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 8, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I appreciate the humor

  I’ve been trying to let the Darius Miles thing go, personally, as he will have no more bearing, good or ill, on the teams I care about. Talking about the past is unproductive unless it can give direction/bearing to the future, and in this case I think that potential guidance is of an extremely limited value.

If you ever hear of someone punching out a girl scout and stealing her Samoas, it was me
- Mortimer

by Clevelander among roses on Oct 8, 2009 7:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, while the situation potentially violated the intention of the CBA he fulfilled the letter of it, playing in more than 10 games (even if we deduct the pre-season games)

He is back on the books, and will remain there. And the CBA won’t be changed before 2011.

"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard

by Norsktroll on Oct 8, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All in fun

The fact that Darius isn’t on a roster just gave me a chance to poke a little fun at Stern, with a few little shots at Ainge and Memphis while I’m at it.

Even if we had that extra cap space, how exactly would we use it? Sure, it would open the possibility of a truly lop-sided trade, but whether a player who would fit on our already crowded roster would come available in a salary dump is pretty unlikely. So we might not end up using it if we had it — might have offered Hedo a little more, or paid Andre a couple million more if we had more space.

I’m not sure it would have made us any better than we are.

The point of the last couple paragraphs is it doesn’t matter, we’re still going to have a great team.

As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.

by jscot on Oct 8, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But with 9 million dollars, Allen could buy us 3 more Rudys!

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Oct 8, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Court cases are almost exclusively about the past, but clearly not a waste of time

Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent. What the league did was wrong, and there will not be real closure until it is provided by an outside source. IMO, the league is like a rapist saying it did nothing wrong and declaring itself to be the judge and jury rather than having an independent source.

by lurtsman on Oct 8, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I for one

approve of this. What’s wrong with a little bitterness? If this had happened to a team with a bigger fanbase, up in arms, force a retraction, justice, peace, etc.

by YardWorkSpartacus on Oct 8, 2009 7:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And while your fixing that

do you think you could do something about the rules of signing players, I mean why can’t we sign LA for a percentage of the salary cap instead of a set dollar amount?

Trade players for picks and draft Cole Aldrich 2010

by jlarose78 on Oct 8, 2009 8:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You are the Jonathan Swift of BE

And in related news, I think Stern does eat small children. But seriously, what is the status of the Blazers’ appeals and/or options? We heard a lot about this for a while, and then … nothing. Maybe I just missed it. Is there still a possibility that Miles’ salary could come off the books? I somewhat disagree with you conclusion that it might not have made us better. There is, of course, the chance that we wouldn’t do anything with it this year, but it would make us THE trade partner of choice because we would be able to offer some affordable talent (insert the usual names here) with huge cap relief. Obviously this kind of lopsided trade would most likely put us over the cap in the future, but if Paul Allen sees the Championship around the corner and wants to spend some money to make it happen, this might give him an effective way to do it.

by unemployedreflection on Oct 8, 2009 8:48 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

You may be right

I’m guessing an appeal was rejected, and nobody bothered to tell us. Perhaps they were informally told it would be, so not to bother.

Yes, the cap space might have been used. But any other contenders won’t want to give us a lopsided trade, will they? And the minutes crunch might become even more painful….

Actually, if we did have the cap space, KP might just end up swapping it for a bad contract and a future first rounder or something. Yes, he probably would have put it to some use. I’m still not going to get mad about it — despite Memphis and Boston “screwing” Portland with the league’s approval, we’re a 60+ win team, and headed for a championship or three.

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 8, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

We certainly wouldn’t bait any contenders into trading with us. But those teams who are struggling financially and end up being worse than expected might come knocking. There are certainly only limited scenarios when it would be really useful, but adding those limited scenarios to the realm of possibility would be nice.

That said, yes, nothing to get too mad about.

by unemployedreflection on Oct 8, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would still help us up to February would it not?

It would make the trade deadline all the more aggravating to the trade proponents when with $9M in cap space KP once again stood pat.

"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster

by lee3022 on Oct 8, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I forgot about that benefit

Yes, that cap space would be driving people crazy on this site.

Maybe we SHOULD appeal.

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 8, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was a very good and entertaining read, a really good way

to start my morning. Well, that and a cup or ten of coffee.

"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green

by antediluvian on Oct 8, 2009 8:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Down with the dictator

Elect jscot new NBA commish. good training for our future world ruler!

"BEER IS LIVING PROOF THAT GOD LOVES US"
- Benjamin Franklin-

by We-B-Dunkin on Oct 8, 2009 9:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Outstanding letter.

As much as I’m convinced Boston and Memphis conspired to screw Portland, I am equally convinced that the Blazers are going to have the last laugh, with Mr Stern present. (He’ll be the guy handing them the trophy.)

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 8, 2009 9:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It will go like this

5 … 4… 3… 2… 1 The Portland Trail Blazers have just won the NBA Championship…. Now let’s take you out to the Kemper Open

There are some people who aren’t smart

by bow4meow on Oct 8, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no kidding...

I’ll never forgive Musberger for how apologetic he was to the people waiting to see the Kemper Open. Was it even the final round?

"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on Oct 8, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good read...

you might add something about being cheap, and getting the refs back.

"The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don't have to waste your time voting"

"I don't like jail, they got the wrong kind of bars in there"
Charles Bukowski

by jpaulson on Oct 8, 2009 9:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Isn't it curious

that Rashard Lewis’ 10-day suspension for taking a banned substance starts with the first game of the season yet Miles’ did not.

Weird.

by Row J on Oct 8, 2009 9:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually

Darius’ 10 game suspension didn’t include preseason games — they don’t count for that.

The weird thing, which made me think someone in the league office had it in for Portland, was to count preseason games toward the 10 he needed to play to zap the medical retirement and go back on our cap. That just wasn’t right.

Darius should have had to have been on the active roster for a minimum of 20 regular season games for that to happen — 10 for the suspension, and 10 more in which he actually played.

To count preseason games was an injustice. It allowed a team to play him and hurt us in a scenario where it cost them nothing. If someone was going to mess us around, they should have at least had to do it in a game that mattered.

Of course, to Memphis no games mattered.

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 8, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Darius’ 10 game suspension didn’t include preseason games — they don’t count for that.

That was reported differently a few times. Here’s the link to Bleacherreport with that info, but I haven’t looked hard for other sources yet.

Third problem: New Rule

The NBA announced that pre-season games will get counted towards this Darius Miles issue. So Miles only needs to play in two more games for his salary to count toward the Blazers’ cap.

Can you confirm that this was actually incorrect, that the NBA did not count preseason games?

by Timmay! on Oct 8, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

his suspension didn’t take effect in preseason, so he still had to serve his games in the regular season. But the preseason games did affect his medical retirement status.

"If the Lakers are Hollywood, then we are South Central." - Clipper fan.

by Cablinasian on Oct 8, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

That’s why he was allowed to play in the preseason, because the suspension wasn’t in effect.

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 8, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

D'oh, you're right.

I was so blinded by rage I remembered it wrong.

by Row J on Oct 8, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nicely done, sir.

~ visualize whirled peas

by BlazerMunky on Oct 8, 2009 9:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Let the man earn a living!

He deserves to get paid! (Oh, wait, that’s already happening. I just remember that as an argument last year from some of his supporters)

It’s a new year in Memphis. Z-Bo and A. I. lead them to the playoffs!

by setshot on Oct 8, 2009 9:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that argument was really annoying

He’s getting $9 million a year!

Oh, and Portland was trying to zap his future earning potential!

(Timbo, where are you now? Come out of hiding, man up, and admit you were an idiot, the guy can’t really make it in the NBA anymore. And the medical retirement didn’t hurt him last year, either, it meant he got two paychecks instead of one.)

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 8, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think it was just a phase T0mbo was going through.

The one where you can’t help but believe every conspiracy theory you hear.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 12, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rashard Lewis

Would this mean that Rashard’s 10 game suspension for “performance enhancing drugs” would count the preseason games? I was so pissed last season when they counted Miles pre-season games as games that eventually put his cap back on our books….

#10 Pryzbilla the Vanilla Gorilla

by Hookah_John on Oct 8, 2009 10:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No. Not with Lewis, not with J.R. Smith, not with anybody.

Miles pre-season games also didn’t count towards his 10 game suspension. They only counted towards the 10 games he had to play for his salary to come back on the cap of the Blazers. He still had to sit out 10 games, but then only had to play in 7 or so (he played in more).

"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard

by Norsktroll on Oct 8, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Decent bit of satire

but I just have trouble getting worked up over the Darius situation. The whole system of medical exemptions was flawed to begin with, with the idea that much more stringent requirements should have been placed on having it be granted. Regardless of what you think of Darius Miles, the fact that he isn’t good enough to make a roster right now doesn’t mean that he’s not medically able to play basketball.

Sure, there were incentives for someone like Memphis to sign him and play him 10 games, but watching those 10 games, it was pretty clear that he was physically able to play. I don’t see how teams thinking he’s not worth the baggage now justifies the finding that he’s not medically fit to play basketball. The Blazers could sign me to a $20 million deal, then cut me because my ankle’s busted, and the fact that no team signs me to a roster doesn’t make me unable to play basketball, it just means I suck too badly to make a roster now. Raef’s agent isn’t getting any calls, either, but I don’t think that would have justified a medical exemption last year.

Bottom line, the doctor screwed up by giving an overly cautious assessment of his situation. If he was risking permanent damage by playing on it, that’s just it, a risk. I the exemption is going to be granted, it needs to be a lot more serious than Darius’s, like Mobley risking death with his heart condition. We signed Darius to a bad contract, and we tried to duck the consequences through a loophole rather than deal with it. I don’t fault the Blazers management for trying, and I don’t fault them for re-instating it.

The rule was crafted poorly to begin with, and handled poorly initially by the doctor, so I fault them for that, but aside from general incompetency there, that’s pretty much all I have to complain about. None of this conspiracy “trying to keep the small markets down” nonsense, even though I know it was mostly tongue in cheek here.

by Royster on Oct 8, 2009 11:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Huh?
even though I know it was mostly tongue in cheek here

Mostly? :)

Like I said in a comment above, I’m not worked up over it, either. I don’t know that the extra cap space would do us any good at all. It’s not as if there was anyone besides AI that was out there looking for a max contract.

I’m not sure the doctor screwed up, though. I am 99% certain that Darius is done in the NBA. And I’m about 98% certain he would have been done at this time last year if the rule hadn’t been written in such a way that other teams could play games with it, in Boston’s case to hurt Portland, in Memphis’ case to benefit financially. The doctor was probably right. No one wants to touch Darius now that there isn’t an ulterior motive.

But life is like that. When people do stuff, it usually comes around to get them. And if you want to succeed at anything, you have to recognize that people are going to do stuff, and just make sure you work hard enough and do a good enough job at what you are doing to be able to overcome it. If that is your mindset, more often than not you will overcome it.

This team will. It doesn’t matter. We’re still on our way up.

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 8, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Without seeing the medical report, we can never know

and of course that will never happen. I just don’t see this as an issue, at all. What should have happened all along, happened, and the only thing we lost in the end was the ability to use his contract as an expiring deal in a trade this year.

As far as us taking all the risk in the deal, it’s understandable; we were the only entity that benefitted. Not only would Paul Allen have saved a ton of money, but it also gave us a significant competitive advantage, so given that we were getting all of the reward, it’s only fitting that we should take on the vast majority of the risk.

With the other points, I just think that Darius’s absence from training camps has very little to do with his ability to medically play, and is entirely due to the baggage and the lower perceived upside. Going into last year, he was probably worth a flier for a team as a guy who was once a high lotto pick and only 25, even coming off MF. There were probably some ulterior motives, but that doesn’t make them the only motive. At the time of his Boston camp invite, it was very unclear to even Blazer brass (and therefore I assume to Ainge as well) that preseason games counted, so doesn’t it make more sense that his signing was more motivated by the fact that they were desperate for bodies and trying to hit on a big gamble than they were explicitly trying to stick it to us?

Plenty of guys didn’t get training camp invites, but this hardly means they’re physically unable to play in the NBA. They’re just not good enough anymore due to some combination of age, injuries, and declining skill. The problem is with the way the rule was structured in the first place. Regardless, though, it was clear based on his time last year that Darius’s knee was fine enough that he was physically able enough to be an NBA player, and that should be all that matters. He wasn’t great, but he was clearly able to contribute, so saying his career was over is wrong. Just because a year later and following some more baggage accumulation, teams have decided he’s not worth it doesn’t change the fact that he clearly had the ability to play with NBA players last year, negating the medical exemption.

If it’s anyone’s fault, blame PA and Nash/Patterson for handing such a large, long term deal to someone who wasn’t go to stay motivated for its length.

by Royster on Oct 8, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Jscot's conjecture

I don’t think the Grizzlies were taking a flier on anything. He played 290 minutes over 34 games. They added him to a roster with Warrick, Milicic and Arthur already at PF, all of them youngish and needing development. He got 8 minutes a game, mostly garbage minutes. He played as much as 18 minutes once last year. Warrick is gone, as is Milicic.

As to the extra baggage, I’ve noticed that Michael Beasley, Carmelo Anthony, Rasheed, Iverson, Chris Anderson, all have places on rosters. I understand that there is a risk/reward factor with players, but if Darius could play, don’t you think that someone would sign him? Invite him to camp? Invite him for a workout? I mean, we talked to Greg Ostertag. The Grizz also have some Zach Randolph on their roster. Obviously, they are a character-first franchise.

I could go on about the “competitive advantage” it gave us, but this is too long already. The league approved his retirement and then, basically, reversed itself taking away any benefit to Portland.

It was a cynical move.

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by Honka Playboy on Oct 8, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Michael Beasley, Sheed, Iverson, Anderson, et al

are all clearly more talented and better players. Talent has always gone a long ways towards forgiving transgressions. On the flip side, Qyntel Woods and Kirk Snyder were also nowhere near an NBA training camp this year, not because they’re too injured to make an NBA roster, but because they’re not talented enough for a team to overlook their baggage. Jamal Tinsley may never play another game in the NBA because of his baggage, so should the Pacers be off the hook for his buyout?

The point I’m trying to make is that the NBA screwed up by not anticipating the situation in the first place, and so rules governing reinstatement were more suited for ancient guys like Eric Snow than young guys like Darius Miles. I do think the doctor erred if he assessed Darius’s knee as career-ending, but without having seen the medical report, I can’t comment too much on it. It does give me pause to think how a doctor would react if asked to assess something like Grant Hill’s ankle or Walton’s feet, back in the day. Heck, the same doctor might have said the same thing about Dejuan Blair’s knees, but I think it’s pretty clear that he deserves to have an NBA career.

In my eyes, the medical exemption was granted too lightly. Regardless of what happened, it was clear that he was physically able to be an NBA player, at least to the extent that Shavlik, Ruffin, or Raef was, which meant that we should have to deal with the ramifications of his salary, regardless of whether he’s a good guy or not.

Sure, it was a pretty cynical move by Memphis, which I should have made clearer that I was referring to Boston alone not really being motivated by a desire to stick it to us. But in the end, the fact that we got the exception in the first place is pretty dubious, so treating it getting taken away as an incredible injustice strikes me as hollow.

by Royster on Oct 8, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The issue in business is a legal one

I am not an attorney but had enough experience working with them and businesses to believe that the Blazers were entirely and exactly correct in claiming tort for their (both teams) willful interference with another’s business.

For rhetorical purposes you have already agreed that Boston and maybe Memphis did indeed intend to commit such harmful act. It was not criminal but civil and it was wrong under the law (assuming the Blazers could prove their case). The league likely stopped the Blazers with threats because the league would be damaged when the discovery rules allowed them to reveal the inner-company memos and emails which would might prove intent. The dirty laundry fallout from the OKC (insert your own adjective)’s revelations of intent to defraud are still hanging around like a bad smog day.

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by lee3022 on Oct 8, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I stated the exact opposite of that about Boston

in fact, it seems pretty abundantly clear, given that no one at the time thought his preseason games would count and it was a very clearly low risk (didn’t have to give Miles a contract) move and they needed some bodies with Posey leaving that it’s pretty clear that wasn’t Ainge’s intent. Darius was once a solid player in the league and was worth taking a look at for them.

With Memphis it gets dicier, obviously since they had to commit to signing him, but given that there’s pretty much no precedent that I’ve ever heard of with teams in the same sports league filing suit against each other. I’d imagine that the legal situation isn’t as simple as it is for business in general (witness the current NFL suit to try and get themselves classified as a single entity rather than 32 separate businesses). The Blazers definitely had a legal argument, or were at the very least trying to set up the “bad faith” condition about playing Miles.

But the end result was, if the Blazers were going to sue anyone, it was going to be Memphis, and if we won, the result would have been Heisley compensating PA for last year’s lost revenue, whatever the “value” of our cap space was determined to be, and penalties. It wouldn’t have gotten us our cap space back, just a monetary payment, and in return, the Blazers would be shunned by every other team in the league, since every one of the other 29 front offices was no doubt against the idea of intra-league law suits.

I’m sure that was plenty clear to everyone in the Blazers front office after the Miles e-mail fallout. This wasn’t a case of Stern trying to screw the Blazers, but us trying to do something that every other team in the league thought was in violation of the spirit of the medical retirement rule, if not the letter. Sure, Stern probably could have gone out of his way and granted us an exemption preemptively against the will of 29 other teams to completely defuse an legal issues, but that would be blatantly in our favor.

by Royster on Oct 8, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure the basis for this
This wasn’t a case of Stern trying to screw the Blazers, but us trying to do something that every other team in the league thought was in violation of the spirit of the medical retirement rule, if not the letter.

I don’t think we did anything that any other team wouldn’t have done. You have a player, his knee cartilage is gone, your doctors say he should never play again, you ask the league to rule on it.

In this case, you just happen to have a player who wanted to make a little more money, and perhaps (don’t know his motives) mess up an organization he didn’t like. And you have another organization who didn’t care about winning, and found a rotten way to rip off a joint venture partner franchise. And (possibly) you have another organization (Boston) who did in fact clarify that preseason games would count and informally colluded for competitive reasons.

There’s no way the Blazers violated the spirit of the medical retirement rules. They had a player who would risk never walking again if he played. That’s sound basis for medical retirement.

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by jscot on Oct 8, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seemed pretty clear what other GMs felt

based on one being quoted in yahoo as:


“The point that everybody is missing is that this isn’t about Portland’s salary cap. It’s about whether this guy [Miles] is healthy enough to play or not,” said an Eastern Conference executive. "He obviously is healthy enough to play. It doesn’t matter how good he plays. He can still play, and they said he couldn’t.

“Portland received benefits when [Miles’] injury was ruled career-ending. If he can play, they don’t deserve to have those benefits.”

Plenty of guys aren’t good enough for whatever reason to get another NBA contract, but if they CAN play at an NBA level, teams shouldn’t be able to receive medical retirement relief for cutting them. Like I’ve stated multiple times, it’s a poorly constructed rule, but it’s the rule. Based on his play, Darius was clearly better than a decent number of 11th or 12th men in the NBA last year (especially Shav and Ruffin), so he got a contract. Memphis was even willing to give him the full season. As I recall, the sentiment on BE at the time was that if Memphis kept him on, it would be reasonable since they had to commit to him for the full year with the only real outrage being directed at the possibility that another team would sign him to a 10 day, play him twice and cut him.

I quote someone who you might be familiar with when it looked like Memphis was going to let him go:

Note that this was NOT sent out when Darius was with Memphis. If the Griz had guaranteed his contract, no one would have suggested they were doing so only for the purpose of benefiting from luxury tax, and messing with "perspective economic opportunities".

http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/1/9/715182/darius-miles-situation-exp#11276911
And later in the same thread:


The Grizzlies look really bad in this. If they had kept him through the season, that would be one thing.

It may be just me, but that guy seems to think that the Grizzlies are a lot more protected having kept Darius for the rest of the season than the guy that wrote this fan post. My point about the rule not being strong enough is that it’s probably pretty easy to find an IME who would “medically retire” Grant Hill tomorrow if him and the Suns really wanted to pursue it. Ideally, I’d want an independent 3-person board to be convened and examine all evidence and unless it’s unanimous and blatantly clear that a guy has no shot at an NBA career whatsoever, he stays on the books.

Yeah, it sucked to get our hopes up, and yeah, it sucked that all this was over a deadbeat like Darius, but this was hardly the great injustice it’s being made out to be.

by Royster on Oct 8, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Grizzlies protected themselves, no doubt

Yes, I said that. I stand by it, too. If the Grizzlies had guaranteed him instead of releasing him, no one would have been sending an email. Even if you were convinced it was shady (I still am), you wouldn’t have any legal basis to make such a claim. Portland doesn’t. The reason there was no lawsuit was because they picked him up for the season and played him enough to cover themselves.

Why did they release him and put him on waivers? Because they didn’t want to have to guarantee him, and hoped someone else would give him another 10 day contract. He only needed two more games.

After Portland sent that email, no one wanted to give him that 10 day contract. They knew it was going to get ugly if they did, and didn’t guarantee him for the season. So the only way Memphis could get their financial benefit was to go ahead and sign him for the season. It cut their profit on the deal pretty low, but it also protected them from any legal trouble.

This fan post? This was all in fun. But there’s little doubt Memphis behaved unethically, a good chance Boston did, and no doubt that the league decisions were bizarre and to the detriment of the Blazers.

And there’s no doubt that Woj could find a GM or two that were willing to criticize Portland. That doesn’t mean a whole lot. If that guy is so sure Miles can play, why isn’t he in his training camp? And the guy is being dishonest in that statement. “He can still play, and they said he couldn’t.” No, a league-approved doctor said he couldn’t, and that executive, whoever he is, knew that full well. He chose to state it in a way that implied Portland was being dishonest and tried to circumvent the rules, when they weren’t, and he knew it. I don’t care what a guy who is twisting the story says. He’d have done the same thing Portland did.

He’s probably the same guy who was saying a couple days earlier, “Portland is screwed.” And in that quote, he says it wasn’t about Portland’s cap space. He’s probably lying in that statement as much as he’s twisting things in the statement about what Portland said.

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by jscot on Oct 8, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't see how anything bizarre was done

I think it’s pretty clear the actions reflected the rest of the league’s opinion of the situation. If the Knicks bought out Eddy Curry because of his heart and then he made a comeback would the other 29 teams and the league behave differently? Every team has bad contracts on the books that they’d like to get rid of, we saw a loophole and tried to use it. League sentiment clearly was this was an exploitation of the rules. Outside of Mark Cuban saying that he’d be sending e-mails if he had millions of dollars on the line there was no other league/team official leaping to the Blazers’ defense here. If anything the league implicitly approved the e-mail, as was stated multiple times in that thread with their wording “for the purposes of securing his services as a player”.

Short of the league expressly coming out to defend us against their agreed upon CBA rules, which would have been bizarre, considering how much of a stickler the NBA is for their rules, what should the league have done differently?

As far as the medical retirement, I’d guess probably 9 out of 10 doctors would say similar things about Dejuan Blair’s knees as were said about Darius’s (ticking time bombs, permanent injury risk, matter of when not if), as evidenced by the fact that he was apparently flagged by every single team doctor in the league. And yet, even if it was known as an absolute certainty that his knees would explode within three years, probably the majority of Blazer fans still would have taken him. If we as a fan base think it’s fine for Blair to risk serious, permanent injury, why shouldn’t Darius be able to?

I mean, can we all agree that he was clearly capable of still playing in the NBA (like I said, did you see Shav or Ruffin play last year?) ? And if that’s the case, we shouldn’t have gotten the exception in the first place. The fact that his character concerns prevent him from having a long term future means nothing to me. If Eddy Curry were cut tomorrow no team would sign him, but that doesn’t mean the Knicks should get any cap relief out of it.

by Royster on Oct 8, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's pretty clear

the actions represented the rest of the league acting in their own interests. Nothing else is clear about it.

The bizarre things:
1. Counting preseason games.
2. Team execs talking about screwing the Blazers when millions were at stake. That’s legal jeopardy, big time, when you are franchises in a joint venture.
3. The repeated attempts to twist public perceptions to make it look as if somehow the Blazers had done something immoral in the medical retirement, which they manifestly had not.

That tells me there was a lot of malice in play here, and probably some dirty tricks. #1 is bizarre no matter how you slice it.

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by jscot on Oct 8, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're talking about team execs

the preseason games was the only issue taken by the league, although apparently the Blazers organization knew all along, presuming we’re not willing to call Woj or his “league official” (not a rival team) a straight up liar. The fact that this was apparently a scoop to the league at the time it was clarified would seem to indicate that teams hadn’t been tracking the situation all season with the intent to screw us.

As to the rest, no team exec was quoted as talking about their intentions to screw the Blazers, just that some team would do pick him up and play him, and so they’d be screwed, just like any NBA observer asked for their opinion would say. Maybe it would have been more tactful for them to just give a “no comment”, and many probably did, but it was an honest assessment, that anyone could have pointed out (and many of us here did as well). I don’t remember the “repeated attempts to twist public perception” unless you count Gilbert’s e-mail, which was balanced by Cuban’s e-mail. The rest was the media running with a situation that even Dave and Ben (hardly impartial observers) thought made us look bad.

As far as it not being clear that he could play in the NBA, please. He could and did, and it was pretty clear he contributed more than many players in the NBA. Just because no one wants to sign him now doesn’t mean he couldn’t play last year. Where were Austin Croshere’s camp invites? What about Mark Madsen? Jermareo Davidson? Chris Mihm? The immortal Cheikh Samb? None of those guys have training camp invites and yet all were (and are) physically able to play NBA basketball.

Plenty of guys go from being lower tier NBA players one year to being out of the league the next (Good luck finding Antoine Walker at a training camp). This is hardly anything out of the ordinary.

by Royster on Oct 9, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, the preseason was the only league action

But it was bizarre. The fact that the Blazers knew it all along doesn’t change that. Since when does preseason count for anything? And no, we don’t know which teams knew that and which ones didn’t.

You quoted an attempt to skew public perception. Every quote that Woj had was malicious, and twisted to show Portland in a bad light.

Should Cuttino Mobley be eligible for medical retirement, if his contract were long? He could and did play in the league with his condition.

But who would sign and play him now, even if he wanted to? Not one single team would touch that.

The risk isn’t the same with Darius, of course, but it’s substantive. Can you imagine if his knee blew out while playing with Memphis last year, and he couldn’t walk again?

Can you imagine if, after what our doctors said, we had played him anyway, and his knee had blown out playing for Portland? We’d have been crucified.

And yes, Dave and Ben thought the email made us look bad. Not the medical retirement. But some of these guys Woj was quoting (and that you quoted above) tried to make the medical retirement look bad. That’s a load of rubbish.

We couldn’t play him, in case he blew his knee out. Not that we wanted to, of course, but we couldn’t have. And if we kept him and refused to play him when he wanted to play, the Players Association would have filed a grievance against us.

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by jscot on Oct 9, 2009 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cat's disease

provably caused the sudden death of at least 2 soccer players, 2 basketball players (including Reggie Lewis), and multiple football players. There’s no comparison between that and Darius’s potential knee replacement.

If he talked to the doctors, knew the risks and wanted to play anyways, that was up to him. I’d imagine that we could have just had him sign waivers absolving us of liability in the case of serious injury. The Blazers obligation is to make sure that Darius knows the risk, and offer recommendations. Whether he chooses to follow those is up to him.

Given that you’re basing all of this on KP’s public statements (where he had plenty of incentive to overstate the seriousness of Darius’s injury) rather than an actual medical report which none of us have seen, we can’t know for sure.

Is RC Buford up nights worry about Dejuan Blair’s potential disability? Doubtful. Doctors no doubt explained the risk to Blair, and it’s a risk that he’s willing to take. Darius probably feels the same way.

In the end, this is a knee we’re talking about. Not permanent brain damage, not potential for death. We’d be obligated to make sure he wasn’t putting his life in serious danger, not to make sure he didn’t blow out a knee.

by Royster on Oct 9, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you never walk again

that’s pretty serious.

I said it’s not the same, but the principle is similar.

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by jscot on Oct 9, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never walking again is serious

but less serious is getting a prosthetic knee. It’s not like they were talking about making him wheel chair bound.

And both are MUCH less serious than death or major brain damage. If the diagnosis for Darius was that there was a significant chance he could die on the court, I agree that it’s serious enough for it not to be his decision to make. For something that’s at most a quality of life issue, that’s up to him in my eyes provided he knows the risk, and I think that remains the commonsense perception, even among Blazer fans (see a situation that doesn’t affect us as a team, like Dejuan Blair).

The fact remains that there are probably at least two or three other NBA players playing with similar health risks, and certainly there have been guys who have played in the past with similar risks.

Maybe I was harsh before in saying the exception shouldn’t have been granted. Under the rules, the exception should have been granted based on the doctor’s report, and similarly, it should have been taken away as well once he proved capable of playing in NBA games. I think the stupid, roundabout way it happened showed how poorly the rule is constructed, but the end result is what should have happened.

by Royster on Oct 9, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I don't agree it should have been taken away

But that is largely because the intent of the salary reinstatement rule was not to address this type of situation.

So under a rigid technical interpretation of the rule, what happened is what should have happened. But under an “intent” interpretation (to keep teams from “retiring” their guys and then bringing them back), it shouldn’t have happened.

But then you get into debates as to what the intent was. It seems obvious to me. Intent has weight in law, but it was obvious that the league office was not going to go that way. The language gave them cover to apply the rule in a way never intended. I would agree with you to that extent.

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by jscot on Oct 9, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beasley, Sheed, Anderson, et al

are more talented than Darius? Anderson has never been a starter in the league, Beasley is rookie, and Darius had better per minute stats than Rasheed last year.

But this off the mark, anyway. Whether the move to bring him back or not was cynical or sincere, the critical point is, if he was allowed to come back, why would Portland lose any right to compensation whatsoever. The Grizzlies paid him $800,000 but got back, if I remember correctly, twice that in increased luxury tax payout. Portland got a roster spot. At the point that he proved he could play, the league should have ruled that if his contract with Portland was still active, he was then still under contract to Portland. I mean, the League has improvised before, right?

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by Honka Playboy on Oct 8, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

in 2009

Beasley, Sheed, and Anderson are all more talented and more effective than Darius Miles is in 2009. Something like this:

Beas/Anderson/Sheed > Darius > Haddadi/Ruffin/Jake Voskuhl

And personally, I think the Blazers probably could have brought a suit against Memphis, although they would have desperately needed to find an e-mail or record of a call or something in discovery that indicated they were signing Darius explicitly to screw with the Blazers and not because to play him. Without that, there would be no case. We would have been entitled to monetary damages from Heisley, assuming we win, but would be unable to actually receive the cap space without petitioning the league and the matter almost certainly wouldn’t be ruled upon in time for FA this year (and possibly not even by the trade deadline, making it completely pointless).

On the downside, since I’m sure most GMs thought Darius was physically able to play (and could contribute at least as much as the end of the bench scrubs I named above), they probably would have backed Memphis in the suit (not to mention I doubt they would have been happy with the negative publicity that would have come from an intra-league suit). And so if the e-mail was bad publicity, actually filing suit after Memphis kept him and played him 34 games would have been toxic, especially if we lost.

It would have been a high risk, low reward move at that point, so what’s the point?

by Royster on Oct 8, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Darius > Ruffin, etc.

Why did he not get a training camp tryout? Don’t tell me it was drugs. There’s not really anything different this year from last.

There was no way we file suit after they gave him the rest of the year. Too hard to prove bad faith once they did that — you would need more than a smoking gun, you would need a smoking bazooka.

But if we did have emails, etc., proving it, the appeal would go through in five minutes, because the rest of the league wouldn’t want to end up as a co-defendant. In fact, there would be a lightning quick settlement, with a key part of that settlement being reinstatement of cap space.

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by jscot on Oct 8, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe because

Darius’s baggage >> Ruffin’s baggage.

And yes, it is different. The only transgression Miles had had in the preceding 18 months was for PEDs, which was probably somewhat encouraging to GMs since it meant he was trying. After he got back into trouble this May, the situation changed. You think if Chris Andersen got busted for meth possession after the playoffs last year that the Nuggets would have resigned him after he just got off a 2 year suspension for drugs?

Regardless, that’s exactly my point. If we had proof we would have been guaranteed to win and had leverage, but we didn’t. What we have is accusations against nameless eastern conference execs of lying to the media and trying to screw us. All that is beside the point, though, that Darius was physically able to play NBA ball, and so the safety mechanism to prevent exploitation of the rule worked, in a roundabout way, I would have preferred a better, harder rule about granting the exemption in the first place, like I’ve stated about 400 times in this thread, but it is what it is. I’d rather us have to eat Darius’s contract than see every team try to initiate medical retirement proceedings on any big contract that’s been given to a marginal player who has some nagging injury.

by Royster on Oct 9, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Physically able <> safely able

Hank Gaithers was physically able to play NCAA basketball.

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by jscot on Oct 9, 2009 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Griz paid him the vet minimum, right?

Prorated over the portion of the season they had him, that’s probably under $500K.

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by jscot on Oct 8, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They approved the retirement

when Portland was a very weak team and they did not want to punish a team into being the 15 win team of the league for many years. When it was clear Portland would be at the least a legitimate contender for several years (pending good decisions by management and lack of injuries) it became more important in the leagues eyes to hurt the franchise than risk a small market team dominating.

by lurtsman on Oct 8, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to challenge at least one of your statements.

 “Regardless, though, it was clear based on his time last year that Darius’s knee was fine enough that he was physically able enough to be an NBA player, and that should be all that matters.”

That is not clear at all. The is a difference between ignoring the pain and inflicting increased injury verses receiving a mediacal opinion that the knee is shot and you shouldn’t play anymore.

If a doctor gets called in to evaluate a patient as to the condition of his knee and its ability to withstand the wear and tear of playing basketball and says that it cannot without sustaining further, possibly crippling, damage – that is not the same thing as saying it is impossible to play. It means the player shouldn’t play.

That was the situation with Miles. The doctor (or doctors) felt that for Miles to continue to play would almost certainly result in further damage, perhaps even traumatic injury. He chose to ignore their advice. Perhaps the reason we are not seeing him in any camp this summer is due to the fact the condition of his knee has worsened from the stress he placed on it trying to continue playing. My money is on the dictors being proven correct in the long run.

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by timg56 on Oct 12, 2009 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for this. I feel somewhat cleansed

What irritated me were comments like Ainge’s that you linked to. 3 Shades of Blue was full of that kind of thinking. Occasionally I’ll go back there and ask how he’s looking in camp

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by Honka Playboy on Oct 8, 2009 1:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There aren't enough recs on BlazersEdge

for what this deserves

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by jamon51 on Oct 8, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

45 and counting 10/8/09 5:00 pm

Is that a record?

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by lee3022 on Oct 8, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not even close yet.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Oct 8, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still standing

http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/4/10/829473/greg-odens-red-bracelet

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by jscot on Oct 8, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Oct 8, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Fame is so fleeting. Not even in the top five for 24 hours, and Nic’s interview is wiping the floor with this one in the rec count.

Bedge is obviously heating up as the season gets closer.

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 9, 2009 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brilliant, jscot.

It made me laugh, it made me cry, it made me rec you even more automatically than usual.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Oct 8, 2009 3:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dear Mr. Stern . . .

         I am a little concerned about this situation. That the NBA would
not give EXCLUSIVE broadcast rights to each and every team’s TV
games to COINCAST seems like a conspiracy. This very fine, hard
working group of broadcast specialists serve viewers in complete
satisfaction, making the NBA widely available to ALL viewers no matter
where they are located. COINCAST deserves to have the ability to exclusively
broadcast all NBA games in superior quality and satisfaction. In short,
One League – One broadcaster ! What a Country !
     In closing, COINCAST RULES & LONG LIVE THE RULE OF ONE.

    Sincerely,

                      Walkoff41
                      A huge fan !

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Oct 8, 2009 3:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

place the blame where it falls

darius screwed his team, teammates, fellow league players, and the players union all to collect whatever measily unguaranteed dollars he got last year. he was already getting his money through ins., thats 2-3 players that are out of a job this year not getting paid because we probably would have spent the money. other contracts were less than they might have been if more money was available to spend, fellow teamates had to take less money also with less money available and we all know how bad the organization got screwed. just a greedy dumbass player. go smoke some more pot D.

by riccc_l on Oct 8, 2009 4:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

quite true

A tribute to our pathetic desperation at the time…

by Berkeley on Oct 8, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a stupid decision, but he was coming off a contract paying him $4 million the last year

not like they quintupled his salary or anything. Much less egregious than Zach’s, going from $1.5 to max

"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on Oct 8, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lots of bad contracts from N&P

although their overpaying of Theo did indirectly let us trade for Roy, so there was at least some side benefit to their madness.

by Royster on Oct 8, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One could argue Darius Miles' contract might've prevented Kevin Prtichard from overpaying ...

for the aging, declining Hedo Turkoglu, so that’s an indirect benefit from an overall stupid signing.

Stupid people have stupid ideas.

by AK1984 on Oct 8, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like to think that if we'd had $16 million

in cap space we would have set our sights a little higher. But Nash and Patterson may just be the gift that keeps on giving.

by Royster on Oct 8, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah but

allen didnt know he was screwing himself, and cmon i even bought into darius and his potential, darius on the other hand knew he was screwing his hoops family and did it anyway

by riccc_l on Oct 8, 2009 4:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Brilliant jscot Brilliant!

I am in awe of your magnificent letter. You have nailed it and I am not ordinarily given to superlatives. When I saw your title of this post I wondered what the future ruler of the world might have to say to the current ruler of the (basketball) world? Well reading this has revised my thinking.

This was from the current ruler of the world to the past ruler of the world. Mr Stern is now toast – burned to a cinder and the ashes blown away by the wind.

Besides all that it is timely to point out the dishonesty in the league and the obvious collusion which has taken place. The media pointed to the leaked Blazer warning letter as evidence of Portland’s arrogance. In fact it was evidence of the collusion. I believe the Blazers have more time under Oregon law before they need to file their lawsuit but sadly I suspect that Mr Stern has forbidden them to do so.

"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster

by lee3022 on Oct 8, 2009 5:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It does seem like the Blazers got ripped off in this situation.

That was exactly my point back when everything went down in February, if he is healthy to play we should retain his services or trade him for some value and yet we were left holding the check, just because we have an extremely wealthy owner does not make this right.

by RipCityRoyCity on Oct 8, 2009 5:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Basically what David Stern is saying to me is......

only a mere 6 months ago Darius Miles was healthy enough to screw Portland out of cap space but now he is not capable of making any NBA team. Is he even being looked at by the D league.

by RipCityRoyCity on Oct 8, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post jscot. I hope you sleep in a different location every night now?

There is more to an athlete than how fast they can run, they also better be able to see what they are doing and know why they are doing it.

by KINGofMACct on Oct 8, 2009 6:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I suggest Mr. Stern start making plans to sleep in a different location

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 8, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Superb

most excellent

Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.

by johnv59 on Oct 8, 2009 7:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Has jscot ever written a bad fanpost?

Kobe is my profile pic because of this beatdown I received.
Blake > Andre

by prezofdeath on Oct 8, 2009 7:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Zillions of them

The beauty of it is, I’ve done SO MANY fanposts with the Sched Ahead ones that it’s painfully painful to search through my fanposts to find the bad ones. If you are going to shovel garbage, shovel enough stuff that people get used to the smell, and it doesn’t bother them anymore.

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 8, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Memo to future ruler

I have people on the East coast who can take care of this Stern person if you think its best
 signed
 the future governor of the Western province
 SO

by southern oregon on Oct 9, 2009 12:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Good to know. For now, let’s leave him in place and keep an eye on him. Better the enemy you know….

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 9, 2009 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude 57 rec's

That has to be a record

by RipCityRoyCity on Oct 9, 2009 6:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not even close

The Batum interview running right now has destroyed it. So have some others.

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 10, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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