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Great discussion over at Blazers Trail on the perception of Brandon..

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to my mind

he is in the eyes of other players, the refs and the league. that’s all that’s important to me. credibility. juice..

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by blazersunited on Oct 5, 2009 11:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yes

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by thomasikehara on Oct 5, 2009 11:56 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I think that's an important distinction...

In many ways, the public perception of who is a “superstar” in the NBA is a trailing indicator. Roy definitely has the respect of the league’s coaches and stars, but I still think he needs to lead Portland deep into the playoffs to make the final leap. I really doubt that Brandon would disagree with me.

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by jetcity on Oct 5, 2009 12:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

if he played in a big market city, he would already be

as it is, he will be after the 2010 playoffs

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Oct 5, 2009 12:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

or maybe..

he’ll just lay low and not get overexposed with commercials and the like. i think fans in general see the superstars they are told to see. i agree completely douglas, if he was in new york and was in as many gatorade commercials as dwade, he would already have that national stature. but i think that’s one of the reasons he loves portland, because he can lay low when he gets off the court.

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by blazersunited on Oct 5, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Roy has a way to go

This league right now has 8 superstars:

Lebron James
Kobe Bryant
Dwayne Wade
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Dwight Howard
Chris Paul
Shaquille O’neil

(All of these players except Chris Paul and Lebron James have led teams to the finals, and most are recognized by any casual NBA fan)

It also has a bunch of players that are close but not superstars:

Brandon Roy
Yao Ming
Deron Williams
Carlos Boozer
Carmelo Anthony
Paul Pierce
Rasheed Wallace
Amare Stoudamire
Chris Bosh
Manu Ginobli
Tony Parker
Gilbert Arenas

At this point, until the Blazers have a deep playoff run, Brandon is not a superstar.

by boppitywop on Oct 5, 2009 1:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

you know, it's funny

I would put Chris Paul on the superstar list too. However, CP3 has never taken a team to the NBA Finals, let alone win a championship. I think we rate him a superstar just because his play level and statistics are that good. Fantasy sports have helped make CP3 a huge star.

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by jetcity on Oct 5, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Labron has taken a team to the finals

and Yao is INSANELY popular in china if that counts for anything. Lived there for a year and the guy is without a shadow of a doubt the MOST FAMOUS person in the entire country, and it’s not even close.

by moflow on Oct 5, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

/endthread

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lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Oct 5, 2009 1:47 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

selfish

"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.

"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."

-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.

by Tofu Anonymous on Oct 5, 2009 3:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Brandon Roy > Dwyane Wade

"Lighten up, Francis" - Sergeant Hulka

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Oct 5, 2009 3:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I would say no

I think “Superstar” is much more elite than “allstar.” To me, there is only 1 superstar in the NBA— LeBron James.

If you want to be a little more relaxed in your standards, then I could also see an argument that there are 7— James, Paul, Wade, Howard, Bryant, Duncan, Garnett. I could also listen to a case that Duncan and Garnett don’t belong on that list anymore.

If you go any further than those 7 on your superstar list, then Brandon Roy has to be on it.

by jksnake99 on Oct 5, 2009 5:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yea,

really I would only say there are 5 superstars in the league. Chris Bosh and Melo were on the cusp but never broke through, and are now buried, either on crappy teams (Toronto) or under a pile of talent (Denver).

Thing is we are about to see the official passing of the torch. I think this is the last year for elite, superstar level production from both Duncan and Garnett, next year I think the miles will catch up to them. Paul, Wade, James and Howard will stay superstars regardless of what happens, but there are about 4-5 players that could join them (Roy, D-Will, Bosh, Melo, Durant) depending on what happens next year during free agency. Kobe will remain a superstar for at least 2-3 years, but I think he will start dropping off after that point.

It’s interesting when we look back at the superstars from older decades, who has remained a household name, and who’s name has faded with time. From the 80’s LB and Magic are easy picks, but other than that it is pretty slim pickings. Clyde, Malone, Stockton, Barkley, etc all became stars through the end of the 80’s and into the mid-90’s, but were they superstars? Perhaps, when viewed through the perspective of their eras, but when compared to the NBA as it is today, that period seemed to have a dearth of true superstars, guys who really became global icons outside of Michael, Larry, and Magic.

There are a number of possible explanations for this perceived lack of talent (assuming you agree with the principle argument I presented). MJ was so sensational, so dominant that to some degree he suffocated the rest of the league as far getting attention from the rest of the world. He became a global icon, and the shadow he cast blanketed anybody else from reaching that type of status, at least until Shaq came along. I think we have seen 3 eras thus far, the era of Magic/Bird, the era of Michael,and the era of Shaq/Duncan/K*be. Now we are moving towards the 4th era. Looking back, MJ’s waning years and the approaching twilight of K@be’s career couldn’t appear more different. Air Jordan was the only show in town when he came back from baseball, whereas K@be is close to being pushed out by guys like LeBron and Paul as the most popular player in the world.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Oct 5, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm happy with just "Star"...

that has led the team from 30+ to 40+ to 50+ wins per season.

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Oct 5, 2009 9:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

In Portland, yes... heck yes.

Isnt that all that matters?

"OK, it's going to rain tomorrow. And there is going to be a Greenpeace meeting and hippies are going to be protesting" ~ The Buffet of Goodness on Portland

by Blazer on Oct 5, 2009 9:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's all that matters

I just think it’s interesting to discuss his perception outside of Portland. But really, do we really want to share BRoy? At some point, it’s he’s going to be a hugely recognized star that everyone follows. Enjoy this time where he’s just ours… because when he leads the Blazers to a championship, everyone will want a piece.

http://www.blazerstrail.com

by jetcity on Oct 6, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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