Game 3 Preview: Blazers vs. Rockets
Time: 5:30 p.m. Pacific TV: Comcast SportsNet
Since we just played the Rockets a couple days ago you're probably passing familiar with their lineup and style. After a serious halftime heart-to-heart when playing the Warriors after their less-than-stunning debut against the Blazers, Houston managed a 108-107 victory in Oakland and come into this game 1-1.
You already know the story on Houston's manpower shortage. No Yao. No McGrady. They do have Aaron Brooks who always gives our point guards trouble with his speed. They have nice defenders at the 2 and 3 with Shane Battier and Trevor Ariza, either of whom can also hit an open three and one of whom (Ariza) has been known to run and drive upon occasion. They field Carl Landry, Luis Scola, and Chuck Hayes at the 4 and 5, all of whom can rebound, all of whom will scrap, and most of whom can hit a jumper if left open. Young Chase Budinger is starting to make a name for himself with hustle and shooting as well. It's an energy squad, a defensive squad, a squad that will try to push you out of position. It's also a squad that has to manufacture points anywhere it can get them. They'd like to run. Otherwise they're going to work for the open look and hope it goes.
The Blazers kept Houston in check in the first game by controlling the boards, keeping the Rockets from getting easy points, and working for the open shot themselves. However just because the rosters and the week are the same doesn't mean this game is going to be the same. This is Houston's home opener. They are exactly the kind of team who will be tough at home as energy and confidence come easier. They're going to want to perform well in their first game there. Though they're not the same team this year that they were last nobody in their locker room is thinking that. They consider themselves a team with a shot and they expect to win. They're a veteran team and they owe the Blazers. Portland is not going to waltz in and out-talent them. They'll have to work and execute otherwise Houston is completely capable of handing the Blazers their lunch tonight. As a matter of fact, before losing to Denver I had this game penciled in as the Blazers' first loss of the season, figuring having won twice they wouldn't be ready for the battle. Hopefully the slip against the Nuggets makes them both hungry and focused.
Pivotal Points of the Game
1. No matter how you slice it the Rockets are still going to face the problem of having to find ways to score. Other than Brooks not one of these guys is a natural scorer. They're all capable, but it's work. You've heard it said that defense wins championships. It's a theory to which I subscribe. But defense tends to win its championships in the playoffs rather than the regular season. Teams that make it deep enough in the playoffs to earn that cliché usually have a potent offense as well. In the regular season a different truism usually holds sway: Offense always has a chance to catch up to defense but defense never has a chance to catch up to offense. That's a long-winded way of saying that the Blazers just need to outscore them. Make them have to catch up. Make them rely on scoring. Work your mismatches and put the ball in the bucket. Unless you're totally inept they'll not be able to keep up with you for four quarters.
2. Rebound.
3. Keep them away from cheap buckets.
4. Work around the defense of Battier and Ariza. Use Aldridge early and often. Don't be afraid to make Brooks defend. If he's out of control put Rudy in there and make him watch a bigger guy.
5. If you contest their shots--not stop them, not turn them over, just contest shots--they're going to have a really difficult time. If you don't get out to cover the mid-range and longer shots though they can hit them.
Final Thoughts
This will be a nice test to see whether the Blazers can pull it together in the early part of the season. The game itself isn't pivotal but an opponent like Houston won't let you get away with another discombobulated effort in this situation.
Be sure to check out TheDreamShake for the Houston perspective.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Have to watch it delayed.
Duck game is bigger.
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
by pualo on Oct 30, 2009 11:42 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
What would we do without DVR's?
4:30 World Series.
5:00 Ducks
5:30 Blazers
6:00 Take kids out for trick or treating…
DVR’s make me a much better parent (and husband)…
by Visionary2 on Oct 31, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+92
only problem is my DVR only has two tuners….bye-bye baseball!!!
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Oct 31, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Need to upgrade, 92!
Downstairs DVR to tape the World Series? Free
HD DVR upstairs to record the Ducks and Blazers? Priceless
by Visionary2 on Oct 31, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope they don't show the Blazer score during the Duck game
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
by pualo on Oct 31, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why you still gotta use the clicker...
Watch a Blazer Quarter
Watch a Duck Quarter
Repeat until done…
(I’ll watch the baseball game if I know the Yank-mes lose! LOVE to see their sad faces…)
by Visionary2 on Oct 31, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't have Comcast anyway
So gonna try the bittorrent channel
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
by pualo on Oct 31, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ducks on TV
Blazers on justin.tv
What? Me worry?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 31, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hope justin tv holds up cause I am never gonna buy cable again.
The only reason I had bought it before was the blazers but hopefully they start to stream it and between that HUlu and Netflix I will be all set.
by tevisthe4th on Oct 31, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if justin.tv doesn't work
then try this one
http://www.atdhe.net/index.html
or check the game thread, usually someone has found a working link that the rest of us can try to “crash”
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 31, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ohh yeah thats what I mean Atdhe
It usually takes me to justin tv.
by tevisthe4th on Oct 31, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball? Really?
I didn’t know DVR’s could record for 6.5 hours straight. That’s amazing!
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Oct 31, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am looking forward to watching Greg establish better post position
The quick turnaround will give him an opportunity to show what he learned in game one. I also am concerned that the offense begins to hit its shots. On the road that gets tougher but against this team the mismatches you cite should yield good scoring.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Oct 30, 2009 11:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Free Bayless?
We have to either slow Brooks or punish him on the other end. If Blake and Miller are not effective at the latter, maybe we should try Bayless at the former for a few minutes and see how it goes. Only a fallback option.
Perhaps this is a good time to change some things up and post up Andre against Brooks as well. It isn’t as if Houston has a lot of shotblockers to help out unless they double Andre early, and that leaves someone open.
I’m also looking for some pick and roll, get Greg the ball going to the hoop, where he doesn’t have to think about it, he just puts it in.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 31, 2009 12:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Except the offensive fouls
It is their best weapon.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Oct 31, 2009 1:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a feeling this idea was coming
Blake and Miller are slumping, how could Jerryd do any worse?
I wanted more Bayless and less Sergio last spring but I was shouted down. My, how the worm does turn…
I never thought that the Blazers PG play would be a team weakness this year. Maybe Nate does have a negative affect on his PGs, no matter how old they are? Or maybe Steve and Andre just need to kick themselves in the rear end and start ballin’
Win. This. Game. If the Blazers fall to 1-2 the “natives” will get even more restless, and no one wants that, right?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 31, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I have been harping since preseason
Andre should start I am hoping the Denver game is just 1 bad & Blake will be OK but if he keeps playing like that then Bayless moves to the backup spot.I will not give up on Steve after only 2 games though, I think he will be fine.
LMA time to earn that money, please dunk the ball.
Go Blazers.
"BEER IS LIVING PROOF THAT GOD LOVES US"
- Benjamin Franklin-
by We-B-Dunkin on Oct 31, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the reason . . .
I didn’t want to sign a free agent PG. With Blake as the starter and Sergio
gone, BRex would get a chance at consistant backup minutes to develop and
grow into the NBA. Let’s face it, Bayless is the only point with the speed and athleticism
to slow down the quick penetrating PG’s that give our perimeter D trouble. Is he there ?
No, but it takes minutes to get the experience to grow, learn the referees and improve
upstairs in order to put those athletic skills to work. I for one, still think he is the answer
long term, even though he may never be the pass first, pure PG many seek. Quick,
athletic & hard driving ? Yes !
GO BLAZERS !!!
& Let the COINCAST SUCKING BEGIN !!!
(Year # 3 of a HORRRRRIBLE DEAL !!)
It's GO time !
by walkoff41 on Oct 31, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it takes minutes to get the experience to grow, learn the referees and improve upstairs
This was my feeling as well, last spring. After the deadline passed and while Blake was on the mend, I suggested starting Jerryd so he could play alongside Roy (as a prelude of the future Blazer’s backcourt?) But no, Sergio got the starting nod. Then after Blake returned, I lobbied for Bayless as the backup, because I had the feeling that Sergio as going to be gone at the end of the year. As it turned out, Bayless would have to wait until Vegas to get his playing time, instead of getting his on-the-job training against NBA PGs, like Brooks
Following the summer league, Nate said that he planned to play a backcourt of Rex and Rudy during the preseason, to see how those two potential bench players would mesh. Of course, a few days later came the now-famous “dinner with Andre” and all plans to integrate Jerryd into the rotation were put “on the shelf”
I thought Bayless had some nice “attacking” quarters during the preseason, mostly playing longside Miller. Will we ever see Brandon and Jerryd on the floor together? Not while Blake remains healthy, this year—that’s my suspicion
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 31, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually support the idea of getting Bayless some minutes
If he can do anything well it is play defense. He’s strong and quick enough to disrupt Brooks a little. Cant be any worse then the matador defense we saw against him opening night.
At the same time a little PTmay be the confidence boost JB needs. So far there has been a seeming discrepancy between the who should start— Blake or Miller? argument. Maybe both Blake and Miller need to be reminded JB is right behind them begging for a chance to prove his worth.
There … I said something nice about Bayless.
World's phoniest apology-- "I'm sorry."
by bow4meow on Oct 31, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Miler should post up Brooks, because you know, he's pretty good at that.
Never-mind. I’m sure Nate will just stick him on the perimeter with his hands open, waiting to throw up bricks.
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 31, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, for anyone who (like me) can't watch tonight...
The game will be broadcast on the radio on AM 750 KXL, due to the Ducks game on 95.5.
Stupid Ducks… My AM radio has lousy reception :-(
Blazers win!
by The X-man on Oct 31, 2009 1:04 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Rudy can own small point guards,see last game
Brooks is no bigger than Lawson and I dont buy it that Rudy cant play point in certain matchups
by southern oregon on Oct 31, 2009 1:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like this idea
Nobody on our roster is staying in front of Brooks. Might as well take it to him on the other end (assuming Blake and Miller struggle on that end)
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Oct 31, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Rudy at PG in spurts,
so long as the rest of the team knows to expect the ball. Also, Rudy needs to pass to Blazers only. Minor details.
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Oct 31, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will be a tough game
Like last time though, our talent should win out.
Hopefully our offense runs smoother this game…
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Oct 31, 2009 1:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen to that
And hopefully Oden breaks into double digits
Blazers win!
by The X-man on Oct 31, 2009 2:02 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
This is going to be a good game in my opinion. The Rockets are a lot better than people give them credit for even after losing McGrady, Yao, and Artest. Should be fun…
GO BLAZERS!
by ChrisG503 on Oct 31, 2009 2:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see Lamarcus can play as well as Channing Frye, but there's no chance
as Frye scored 22 pts (6/7 from 3) and grabbed 8 rebs as the Suns went to 2-0.
OKC, waiting for us, is 2-0 now as well.
ignacio
by ignacio on Oct 31, 2009 3:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
in a general sense, I'm joking of course, but Lamarcus
doesn’t seem to go to the hoop much lately, does he?
If you’re going to shoot long jumpers, shoot 3s.
ignacio
by ignacio on Oct 31, 2009 3:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe Channing Frye is playing decently for the Suns
Did Frye ever reach 20 pts in any game w/ the Blazers?
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway
by LACK on Oct 31, 2009 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was one game in Denver
πάτερ, ἄφες αὐτοῖς, οὐ γὰρ οἴδασιν τί ποιοῦσιν.
by T Darkstar on Oct 31, 2009 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minutes and a great PG
can do a lot of things or a guy. Channing played great, but Nash was setting him up perfectly all night
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Oct 31, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it the PG, or the coach?
Frye had a lot of wide-open looks off of PnRs last year, but he couldn’t knock them down consistently. Perhaps Gentry is feeding Channing more positive vibes this year? (“when you’re open, keep shooting it!”)
Having the coach show confidence in you is a big part of relaxing and playing well
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by two4larue on Oct 31, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the PG is really making that big of a difference
Channing got lots of open looks last year too, it is just that they were for inefficient long 2-point shots instead of 3’s. The Suns coaches are encouraging him to get get a little further out and shoot 3’s, which has resulted in him being a significantly better player. It’s like ignacio said, if you are going to shoot long jumpers, shoot 3s.
by trk on Oct 31, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lamarcus doesn’t seem to go to the hoop much
that’s what continues to reinforce the “he’s soft” perception.
World's phoniest apology-- "I'm sorry."
by bow4meow on Oct 31, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least the Lakers are in the same boat with us record-wise.
A loss at home to a good western conference team. I think if we can stayed tied, or even ahead of the Lakers in the standings that it will bode well for us. Of course there are 80 games left to play, and that might not be a task we can take… yet.
πάτερ, ἄφες αὐτοῖς, οὐ γὰρ οἴδασιν τί ποιοῦσιν.
by T Darkstar on Oct 31, 2009 5:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LaMarcus Aldridge is key
But this time, it’s on the defensive end. It’ll be harder to win if Luis Scola is putting up over 20-10, as Chuck Hayes can’t make a basket even if he’s wide open under the basket.
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway
by LACK on Oct 31, 2009 6:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yah, I'd like to see him start earning his pay.
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Also: COMCAST SUCKS!
by TwoDeep on Oct 31, 2009 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the extension doesn't kick in till next year
by blacknoiseNW on Oct 31, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So LMA's only giving a 5.8 mil effort, this year?
somebody needs to light a fire under that kid
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 31, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
really hope theirs gonna be a link
Trade for Luis Amundson!!Do it KP!!
by CroRupt on Oct 31, 2009 9:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How about a statement road win?
The three loses at Houston during the playoffs ended last season, so where better to establish themselves on the road than Houston?
I’m calling on Andre Miller to be a difference maker in this game. He was huge in the 2nd quarter of the first game and the Blazers will need his veteran savvy even more on the road. Today, he may need to do his thing in the 2nd and 4th quarters to bring home the W.
I’m also ready to see the real LaMarcus Aldridge stand-up and get his game going. Seems he’s again having some trouble playing with Oden; he just seems a bit more hesitant and he’s getting fewer post-up or mid-post opportunities.
A few other keys:
Limit turnovers. Turnovers kept them in the first game.
Big guys avoid foul trouble. In particular, avoid cheap fouls. It’s all about discipline. Rotate early on defense. Don’t hack. Don’t get greedy when setting screens.
Increase the tempo of the offense. By this, I don’t mean take shots earlier in the shot clock. What I mean that watching other NBA games yesterday, I realized that the Blazer’s do not move quickly in setting their screens and making cuts (Rudy is an exception here). The pace of the Blazers’ offensive sets is slow and deliberate, even slow and deliberate by the standards of a Nate McMillan coached team.
by PoliSam on Oct 31, 2009 9:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Your calling on Andre ?
Shouldn’t that be Nate ?
"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener
by Berkeley on Oct 31, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oden is actually our MVP
Here is a simple way to chart how efficient our offense if working and how effective our defense is. It will highlight how important rebounding is to our team. This formula was developed by Bob Spear and Dean Smith and used for every UNC game Smith coached there. It focuses on two figures: Points Per Possession and Percentage Loss of Ball.
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total shots attempted + total free throws attempted + turn overs = Total Possessions.
Total Points divided by Total Possessions = Points Per Possession.
This is an indicator of how effective your offense is. A good PPP over .85 is good.
The Blazers have been at .76 and .72 respectively in our two games this season. This is where we want to hold other teams, in the low seventies.
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Next: total turnovers divided by total possessions = Percentage Loss of Ball
This gives you a measurement of how well you took care of the ball, and how well your defense played. It concerns itself with number of turnovers in relation to possessions. For example a team with 120 possessions and 20 turnovers is still doing better then a team with 100 possessions and 10 turnovers.
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So in one sense you could say Oden is keeping us in games. Without his rebounding and defense, we’d be looking at 0-2 and a 20 point loss to the Nuggets. We also need to be shooting more free throws. In two games each team has gone to the line more then us. I attribute this to our propensity for taking jump shots. This is a bad statistic to extend through out a season.
In our two games the PPP’s were: Blazers .76/ Rockets .69 and Blazers .72/ Nuggets .82
The PLB’s were Blazers 20%/ Rockets 12% and Blazers 5% and Nugs 6%
We had significant rebounding advantages in both games. In the first game our turnovers kept rebounding from putting us over the hump, the extra possessions would have made the game more comfortable, as our defense was forcing them into tough shots judging by their pathetic PPP. In the Denver game we appear to have played some pretty sound defense as well, .81 is nothing to be proud about, but .72 is pathetic. Our offense stinks frankly. We need far more possessions then the other team to be successful right now. We need these big rebounding margins because they help make up for the low percentage one on one shots we take.
But I disagree with those who say our defense is not up to par. Our defense is a bright spot right now, and a lot of that is attributable to our rebounding. If we don’t rebound we won’t win games, a PPP in the 70’s means we HAVE to lead in possessions by a large margin. If our PPP improves, rebounding could be the thing that makes us really great. Right now we need it to save our bacon.
by zersrule on Oct 31, 2009 9:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Total free throws
Shouldn’t that be numbers of plays ending in two (or three) free throw attempts? Or you can estimate that with 0.44 * FTA like in true shooting percentage.
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by pualo on Oct 31, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent breakdown
I still wish Travis would start because his offense would open up that first unit to more easy buckets in my opinion. Plus why the heck is Blake starting?
"I figured we ought to hang around for a while and see if we can give 'em all a nice big shitburger to eat!" -Manager Lou Brown -Major League
by OtisBoo on Oct 31, 2009 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Travis kind of reminds me of a race horse...
who has had some runaway wins, so you know he can take the field.
But sometimes he bucks in the starting gate: loss.
Gets mud in his face, breaks his stride.
Wrong jockey-just not into it.
If they could just get things “just right”.
Gotta put at least a small bet on that horse, especially when the odds are high.
"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener
by Berkeley on Oct 31, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know if the game will be blacked out in Seattle tonight for league pass broadband? I have no idea if I’m in the Comcast service area.
by Liface on Oct 31, 2009 12:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Accuscore has the Rockets as 55 - 45 favorites. I don't think that will turn out true. But losing this one wouldn't be a drama.
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
by Norsktroll on Oct 31, 2009 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
rip city
i am still depressed over denver loss…. we gotta make up for that tonight.
by blazermania92983 on Oct 31, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here is hoping that those missed free throws light a fire in Gregs pants.
He is gonna be eager to redeem himself. lets get double double number one.
by tevisthe4th on Oct 31, 2009 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok 2 things
1 the Blazers need to show they can win not only on the road but in Houston. I think mentally that place has something over them
2 I would like to see the Blazers follow through with the blowout unlike the last game they played so we can see Bayless get some work.
by BBG on Oct 31, 2009 3:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NBA broadband league pass free until the third.
I’ve signed up for the broadband league pass free try out period.
I watched one game and it seems pretty good. If you don’t want to pay $89 bucks
you can at least watch the next two games. I get about 6000kbps download and it was pretty good. It looks like high def but only about 20 fps.
Much better than nothing!
by JeffePortland on Oct 31, 2009 3:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Joel & Greg
Here’s hoping Joel and Greg devour Houston in the paint tonight. Hopefully Greg can bounce back from those awful free throws from last game.
by WakeUpOden on Oct 31, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here’s what I usually do when two sporting events are live at the same time and I wanna see both.
I’ll watch the Ducks game until 5:30 and then pause it. Watch the Blazers live until they hit a commercial break. Swap back to the Ducks and use recorded footage so I don’t have to waste time between downs or commercials. As soon as the Blazers are live again I swap back. Basically any time the Blazers aren’t on the floor, I use that time to catch up on the Ducks game. Football can be slow sometimes. It’s a lot easier to fast forward through a football game than it is basketball.
Regarding Hedo Türkoğlu:
Look at the bright side, Blazers fans -- you dodged a bullet. He peaked statistically two years ago. He's allegedly 30 but could be closer to 32 or 33 for all we know. (Do you trust Turkish birth certificates? And isn't it weird that he played four years of pro ball in Turkey in the 1990s?)
- Bill Simmons of ESPN.com
by halo_on on Oct 31, 2009 4:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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