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Every player in this picture fouled every other player in this picture, simultaneously, and all three were awarded free throw attempts during the third quarter of Thursday's game between the Portland Trail Blazers and the Denver Nuggets in Portland, Ore., Thursday, Oct. 29, 2009.  (AP Photo/Don Ryan)

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Every player in this picture fouled every other player in this picture, simultaneously, and all three were awarded free throw attempts during the third quarter of Thursday's game between the Portland Trail Blazers and the Denver Nuggets in Portland, Ore., Thursday, Oct. 29, 2009. (AP Photo/Don Ryan)

Pressure busts pipes.

It's the nightmare scenario basketball players of all ages fear. Step to the foul line in the final seconds with a chance to put your team over the top in a tight, hard-fought game against a bitter rival.  Miss the first, miss the second, ballgame.  

That was Greg Oden's nightmare Thursday night, as Carmelo Anthony of the Denver Nuggets rebounded the second miss, drew a foul, and calmly sunk two free throws on the other end to give the Nuggets a 97-94 victory over the Portland Trail Blazers in the Rose Garden.  A desperation heave by Brandon Roy as the clock expired was well wide.    

After the game, Oden dressed slowly in a quiet locker room, his back turned to the media throng.  Once dressed, he spoke softly and didn't smile.  His first words: "I stepped up there with confidence thinking I was going to hit them and it didn't go that way. I put this loss on me. I need to step up to make those."  

It was exactly the statement and attitude that you want to hear from Oden in that situation but there were plenty of forks in the road over the course of evening, alternate paths that could have prevented his nightmare scenario, a situation he said he couldn't remember facing previously during his career.

Oden found himself on the line (down 95-94 with roughly five seconds left) thanks to a quick shuttle pass from Brandon Roy, who had been doubled by Chauncey Billups and Chris Andersen.  Oden was in the key when he received the pass, somewhat awkwardly positioned with his back to the basket, and immediately looked to kick the ball to a wide open Rudy Fernandez at the three point line.  The whistle blew and initially there was confusion from both sides.  Did Oden shuffle his feet?  Nope.  The Nuggets bench reacted in disbelief as Kenyon Martin was whistled for his sixth foul, a call that wasn't clearly evident in real time or on the replays.  Martin. who had been teed up earlier in the game, returned to the Nuggets bench shaking his head in disbelief -- the lips that are tattooed on his neck appearing to do the "twist and shout" -- and was met by members of the Nuggets coaching staff who could be seen mouthing, "I can't believe that."

That Roy passed the ball in that situation was something of a surprise although it was absolutely the right play.  Feeding Oden in such a pressure situation showed a reactive, reflexive trust in his center that we haven't often seen before. That the foul was called before Oden could pass the ball was unfortunate because Fernandez -- who loves big moments and was 6 of 9 for the game, 2 of 5 from distance and 8 of 8 from the stripe, for 22 points -- was absolutely licking his chops, hoping to deliver.  

The pass couldn't get there. It wasn't meant to be.     

The takeaway sentiment from the loss seemed to be: this game was winnable, the opportunities were there.  The Blazers limited all of the Nuggets' role players on the offensive end and succeeded in making Carmelo Anthony work for each and every one of his 41 points, 18 of which he accumulated by bulling to the basket time and again and getting whistle after whistle.  Chauncey Billups added 22 points (11 of his from the line as well) but the eight other Nuggets combined for just 34 points.

If anything did the Blazers in, it was their own poor shooting.  Just 31 percent from the field in the first half and 34 percent for the game.  Otherwise, they won the rebounding margin substantially (44 to 36), limited their turnovers (just 7), got to the foul line themselves (41 attempts), attempted 20 more field goals than their opponent (81 to 61) and did a nice job managing their foul trouble (10 fouls between Joel and Greg) getting some solid minutes from Juwan Howard at the 5.  

All of those positive were negated by the poor shooting.  That's how poorly they shot the ball.  Indeed, outside of Fernandez, no Blazer shot the ball well. Roy (6 for 16, including a remarkable banked-in thirty footer at the third quarter horn), Aldridge (4 of 15, settling for outside shot after outside shot), Outlaw (1 for 8, a non-factor), Blake (0 for 3, also a non-factor) and Miller (3 for 11, his 5 assists made him more of a factor, but not really) all struggled.   

A few brief thoughts...

Greg Oden

No question about it, the Blazers were much more proactive in getting Oden involved in the offense early.  The ball movement was better, the passes sharper.  

Denver possesses a tough, physical front line -- Nene, Birdman, Martin -- which made life difficult for Oden. He battled hard, challenged many shots, blocked 2, had a steal and struggled to stay in the game thanks to fouls.  His free throw struggles and his final line -- 6 points and 9 rebounds -- don't do justice to his impact on the game.  

One or two more rebounds down the stretch and he goes from goat to hero.  Funny how those things work.

Martell Webster

As the game got chippy in the first half the Blazers did a nice job of remaining composed and playing tough.  Martell Webster was a big part of that.

Webster must have caught highlights of last night's Nuggets/Jazz game, which saw Carmelo Anthony throw down a vicious dunk on Paul Millsap.  A toxic facial, if you will. Anthony incited the Denver crowd's cheers by thumping his chest and yelling "I'm back" repeatedly.  

Webster carbon copied the scene tonight, throwing down a monster dunk on one end and then blocking Anthony on the other, his momentum from the leap and contact so great it seemed to carry him 20 feet. When he finally landed Webster stared straight up into the stands and made his presence felt, gesticulating and yelling loudly.  It was a great moment for Webster, one of the better stretches of his young career.  It was a surprisingly display too.  "Who's that down there? Martell? Really?"

Anthony's response -- 21 second half points, despite foul trouble of his own -- proved why Anthony is the All Star and Team USA member.  Hats off to him.  

Ty Lawson 

Would look great in a Blazers uniform.  7 points, 1 assist, 2 steals, 0 turnovers on 3-5 shooting in 17 minutes.

Renaldo Balkman

If you know anything about me at this point you know I love watching pre-game warm-ups for hours on end.  Tonight Nuggets reserve Renaldo Balkman came out with his legs in crazy bandages covering pads that extended all the way up to his knees.   Here's a picture.  

About halfway through his personal warmup Balkman took the pads off and continued shooting without them.  He was working with an assistant coach and was required to make 5 shots from a number of different positions.  Once he had made 4 shots, the coach would motivate him by yelling "money ball" as he passed the ball out.  When Balkman worked his way to the right baseline, the coached yelled this again and Balkman responded by shooting an airball roughly 5 feet over the hoop, completely clearing the weakside ball girl.  The ball continued bouncing until it interrupted a conversation between Blazers VP of Basketball Operations Tom Penn and Nuggets VP Player Personnel Rex Chapman that was taking place off the court entirely, next to the Nuggets bench. Chapman returned the ball to the ball girl who returned it to the assistant coach. Undaunted, the coach passed the ball to Balkman saying simply, again, "money ball."  

Arguably the best focus from a coach during pre-game warmups I've ever witnessed.  And, start to finish, one of the more memorable pre-game routines from a player.

Nate's Postgame Comments

What do you pin the loss on tonight?

A few things. First, the free throw line - 49 free throws is a ton of free throws. We knew this would be a team that was attacking our paint, getting to the free throw line. And they did. We needed to do a better job of keeping them out of the paint, rotating early, but keeping them off the free throw line. You should 49 free throws it's going to be hard to win those types of games.

A few possessions where we didn't get the rebound, the board. We forced them to miss. Those are plays you've got to make those plays, make those breaks. I thought offensively they tried to take away the inside. We didn't shoot the ball. 81 attempts, we shoot 34 percent from the floor. We had some open looks that we need to knock down. But just playing off of what the defense gives you. I thought we settled early and we didn't knock our shots down.

What was the final play?

Basically just get shooters on the floor and try to get their big Nene into a pick and roll. Give Brandon an opportunity to try to get to the basket. But bring the big and spread the floor with 3 shooters.

It wasn't clean. I thought we kind of rushed it a little bit. We had enough time. Greg goes to the free throw line, has that opportunity.

Did you see the toughness you were looking for?

Again, they won the battle in the paint. The fact that they were able to get into that paint, get to the free throw line, still areas for us to improve.

Carmelo

I thought our guys, I thought Martell did a pretty decent job of just trying to make Carmelo work. This guy showed tonight what he's all about. They basically gave him the ball and rode him.

Billups

Well, you know, both of them are very good players. They do a good job of playing off of each other, taking turns, when Carmelo didn't have it then Billups was making plays.

Rudy's game and the late-game substitutions

The tough part going down the stretch, Rudy had a rhythm, Martell was playing pretty decent defense, and making the decision who to go with late. I thought Rudy was able to knock down some shots and keep it close and get us back in the game.

Well, you know what, it's an opportunity for me to learn, to learn about my team. You look at situations going down the stretch, guys that we can play with, combinations that we can put together. It's a game that felt like we shoulda had.

What do you take from this game?

The main thing is we've got an opportunity. I haven't said anything to Greg but I'm sure he'll get many more opportunities like that.

-- Ben Golliver | (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com) | Twitter

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ARGH!!!

So, I missed the game, due to the fact that I absolutely had to attend my Freshman workshop class (It was the last one, so no chance I could make it up)… and now I feel horrible about it. I just know that if I had been watching the game, Greg woulda made those free throws. So, we can’t hate Greg for missing them, lets just hate me instead.

Dave's Keys to the Season: "GREG ODEN SMASH!!!!!!"

by Jeremiah S on Oct 30, 2009 1:57 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

You would have been bored

So many fouls in the fourth quarter. I’m not convinced these aren’t the same guys we had at the Denver preseason game. 60 total fouls and all I can say is that they did generally call it both ways.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Oct 30, 2009 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My sentiments exactly. Basketball, even close games, doesn't get more boring than that

More games like that is about the only thing that can endanger my fanaticism.

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by hobobob on Oct 30, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Martell Webster vs Carmelo Anthony

Melo played like a superstar tonight, no doubt about it…but Martell played the best defense that you could against him tonight.

…and Melo scored most of the 21 second half points on players not named Webster…so I’m not sure if I would call it a response to Webster:
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“Anthony’s response — 21 second half points, despite foul trouble of his own - proved why Anthony is the All Star and Team USA member. Hats off to him. "
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I liked the read Ben. :)

Enjoy the Ride

by DigitalDaggers on Oct 30, 2009 1:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah we could have won

But you know what, we shot 35% and still almost won. LMA needs to get his head back in the game. He scores just a few more buckets and is not a giant black hole on the court (which he was too often tonight) and we win.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Oct 30, 2009 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would

help if the Blazers would consistently go inside to him. Last nights game made me wonder if Aldridge knows what is going on in the offense. That’s the coaching staff issue not LA’s fault.

by 7677maniac on Oct 30, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They found him on the post

It’s just that he shot so poorly. He could hit layups. Roy barely could either, though.

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by hobobob on Oct 30, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but

he did have a room to maneuver because of Oden’s presence down low and early in the game Denver didn’t fear our three point shooting.

by 7677maniac on Oct 30, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

broy on all defense

I wish. He was playing some serious matador D out there. marty was beasting. He can be a stopper. Broy’s defense needs serious help.

Melo is all world and so much fun to watch. I think the nuggs are my second favorite team.

by 50backflips on Oct 30, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Webster was very impressive ...

He did a great job defending Melo and was able to get in Melo’s head quite a bit. I was impressed with the kid.

Denver Stiffs.com: Defending the sovereignty of Nuggets Nation.

by Nate Timmons on Oct 30, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

mike rice

answered one of your questions through casey the other day

the sky isn’t falling or anything. but this was a game we should have won, and i think nate pulling martell off of melo was pretty costly.

Enjoy the Ride

by DigitalDaggers on Oct 30, 2009 2:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

meant for skywalker9 reply

my bad, just signed onto blazersedge tonight

Enjoy the Ride

by DigitalDaggers on Oct 30, 2009 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

welcome to BE

Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers

by 22baylor on Oct 30, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks man

long overdue probably…been on oregonlive for years and years now…

elementluck

Enjoy the Ride

by DigitalDaggers on Oct 30, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, where was Trout?

The fourth quarter is his time. Its not uncommon for him to struggle early in a game.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Oct 30, 2009 2:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

trout was out

because trout can’t play defense well enough to be in the game on kenyon or melo

that’s my guess anyway. not hitting his early shots didn’t help.

Enjoy the Ride

by DigitalDaggers on Oct 30, 2009 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

D and rebounding from Trout looked solid last night

For trout to get 7 boards against those rebounder is solid. Very solid. It’s encouraging to see him hustling on D and for rebounds. That’ll make him worth keeping.

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by hobobob on Oct 30, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was rather annoying and typical of a NBA ref to call a blocking foul on Martell just because he is

locking up Melo. I get it, we know start players aren’t suppose to be humiliated on national tv, bad for business, but why not just swallow the whistle? I love what Martell has done with his game. He is a great offensive weapon.

by BRoyInThe4th on Oct 30, 2009 2:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He didn't have his feet set yet

You don’t necessarily have to if the attacking player is barreling into the opponent who has already beat him to the spot, but more often than not the attacker gets that call no matter if he is a major or minor player.

And I doubt that was the decisive scene. Several players had missed free throws around that time (Roy, Miller, Martell, LaMarcus, …). LaMarcus was playing one of his more disappointing games. Roy had not been hot for 3.5 quarters. Oden and Joel were both in foul trouble and Nate didn’t trust either one to stay on the court. Lots of things to learn from this one.

But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart

by Norsktroll on Oct 30, 2009 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't decisive, but it was indicative of the way the game went for the officials

The calls were so centered around stars that it made the game painful to watch. Roy and Mello or Billups on the line every trip bolsters their number (star support), but is incredibly boring to watch and very disconcerting if you have fewer stars. Rudy did a solid job, though.

I don’t blame the refs for losing this game at all. I do say they called a terrible game and made it more than obvious that the NBA supports its superstars. The good news, the NBA refs (during an national TV game) think Roy is a superstar.

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by hobobob on Oct 30, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nugs fan here

I thought that was clearly a make-up for the previous offensive foul on ’Melo. No doubt that Martell had position, but after they gave ’Melo the elbow foul when Webster was hanging all over him two plays earlier, it looked like make-up time.

The refs were aweful, but they had to make a couple of calls ‘cause Martell and Melo were going so hard at each other . . this isn’t the 80’s anymore.

by Frontrange on Oct 30, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was the most disappointing

performance from a playoff team that I have ever seen. Denver were playing the second of a back-2-back and had a much smaller rotation and they still WON! Oh yeah they were also playing on the road. Do our players want to win the division or not because this was a real costly defeat. Everyone bar Rudy played liked cow dung. Even Roy and LMA were terrible, and it all starts with them but since they have yet to turn up this season we might as well put out an APB on Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge. And whats up with the offense? It stinks and bores the daylights out of me! I know Nate spent the entire preseason working on the defense. So how did that go? Well it also stunk! I didn’t see any passion apart from Martell and where was the leader at? By the way Roy was the first to miss a free throw in the last 5 minutes so its not all on Oden. LMA also missed late but sure blame the guy that easy to pick on. Smart!No one player was responsible for the loss but the entire team. They should feel like crap but that better be out of their system before they leave for Houston.

by VinnyB on Oct 30, 2009 4:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh good. We get to look forward to a whole season of this kind of bashing from VinnyB.

“…the most disappointing performance from a playoff team that I have ever seen” sets the tone here.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

Also: COMCAST SUCKS!

by TwoDeep on Oct 30, 2009 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec! Good call

I read it in his stentorian tones in my head and giggled a couple of times. I also got a kick out of this:

Do our players want to win the division or not because this was a real costly defeat.

I WISH it worked like this. The Blazers lost, ergo they did not want to win. All they would need to do is want to win every game and we could go 81-1 from here on out!

"I just sort of know that around the water cooler they talk of reality tv stars, and I strictly drink coffee." -- EvilKaramazov

by BlazersOrBust on Oct 30, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oddly enough I’m a little encouraged by the game. Our offense was horrid, and we still almost won. It sounds like our defense has improved from last year, that’s what I’m after. We had the most efficient offense in the league last year, that doesn’t just disappear. It will come back, perhaps not at that level, but to some degree, we didn’t lose any pieces. If we can win games against great teams without relying on our offense, that’s a step in the right direction. Of course I couldn’t watch most of the game so my thoughts are mostly hearsay, just seems if we had an offensive game like this last year we would have been blown out.

I'm on your bandwagon. Eating your nachos.

by Fanboi on Oct 30, 2009 4:29 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm with you here. Is see the seeds of domination

Officiating was very strange. I think had the calls been slightly less, and they better be on average, we dominate even more on the boards, and win that game even with a putrid offensive showing.

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by hobobob on Oct 30, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

I was at the game, great seats. had a blast. Only problem with it. (I’m not saying we deserved to win, cause frankly 35% fg is just not gonna cut it) but the officials were terrible. Way too many fouls. Period. You could tell from the beginning it was gonna be physical and they were so inconsistent in what the called neither team really ever got in to a rythym.

The NBA where free throw contests happen

by BanDenjamin on Oct 30, 2009 5:25 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

the thing I noticed, from watching on TV

is that all Melo has to do to “draw” a holding foul is to kick his leg up as he comes off a screen

The NBA: where superstar calls happen…Roy needs a trademark “draw the foul” gesture

I’m trying not to get too high or low here, but…the Nuggets have got it figured out how to get the ball inside and draw fouls. Sir Charles is right, until Portland figures out how to use their length to do the same, the Blazers won’t be a “finals” team

Hopefully, Miller and Howard will help the kids learn this

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Oct 30, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But you

have to invest or believe in your bigs. I’m not convince that Nate is that high on Oden.

by 7677maniac on Oct 30, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The one truly atrocious foul that stands out in my mind

Was the one where Melo pump-faked Miller on the right elbow, tried to jump into him to draw the foul and missed, and then missed the jumper…only to be bailed out with a horrendous whistle. I then had to stuff a blanket in my ears to drown out Reggie Miller’s blathering that it was an excellent call and “there was clear contact there!”

I think he is the worst NBA national commentator. His utter ignorance about the Fernando Martin tribute was the final straw, but I’d strongly disliked him for a while before that. He’s exhibit 1A of why being a former player doesn’t necessarily make you qualified to share insights about the game.

"I just sort of know that around the water cooler they talk of reality tv stars, and I strictly drink coffee." -- EvilKaramazov

by BlazersOrBust on Oct 30, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Melo actually jumped into a backwards-moving Miller to get the contact.

If Player A initiates contact with Player B, Player A should get charged with the foul.

Refs typically call fouls tighter at the start of each season. Don’t worry, by the time the playoffs roll around they’ll only call fouls after the police reports have been filed.

by MiledAnimal on Oct 30, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

MIller made the same move and drew a foul on Lawson, earlier in the game

and Billups pump-faked Miller off his feet later, on the left baseline

it’s a no-brainer call for the refs. Don’t leave your feet and “close out” correctly on the jump shooter and there’s no call to make (unless you touch his elbow, of course)

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Oct 30, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a bad rule, IMO.

If Player A head-fakes Player B into the air, and Player B goes straight up, then Player A leaps into Player B, Player A should be charged with the foul. In Miller’s case, he came down and fell away from Melo, who had to leap into him at an even sharper angle to make contact. Dumb rule, but if that’s how it reads, then good call by the ref.

by MiledAnimal on Oct 30, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know, I’m not incredibly devastated by the loss. Denver kept up the whole time and we shot ourselves in the foot. Yeah, the loss is on GO’s shoulders but lets just forget it. Everyone needs to practice their FT shooting, and lets get back out there and start winning again.

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!

by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Oct 30, 2009 5:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He was pretty bad

One thing I hated to see and it’s been an ongoing problem is his lack of enthusiasim for rebounds. If they float to him he takes it but I did not see him fight for a single one in last nights game. Maybe he was afraid of fouls?

On a positive note. Juan Howard was awesome. I would love to see him working more with our bigs and getting them to play as hard as he did.

by BanDenjamin on Oct 30, 2009 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

After two games, we should've given Juwan that $65 mil

LMA is my favorite player on the team, just like Rasheed was at one time before I realized he would never fully realize his potential.

LMA don’t let me down!

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Oct 30, 2009 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMA sucked big time last night, but you shouldn't worry about him letting you down

He’ll be back. It’s only a matter of probably one more game, provided he stays out of foul trouble.

Anyone else notice that foul trouble’s a new issue for him? He’s not doing anything different than he used to.

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by hobobob on Oct 30, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was looking for the LMA...

that smacked KG in the back of the head, instead he seemed intimidated by Martin and other than the one rebounding sequence was a waste of minutes.

Plus, he missed GO twice when GO was open under the basket and took a contested jumper. My wife saw that too and she doesn’t always see what happens off the ball…so GO was definitely open.

He got the (untradeable) contract, needs to bring it 82 games, not just the last 20…

"I play, Coach stays. He goes, I go." - Jimmy Chitwood

by DucRider on Oct 30, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

there was a great Aldridge sequence

where he repeatedly batted an offensive rebound in the air on outstretched fingertips, keeping it out of the reach of a leaping Kenyon Martin, until he was finally able to corral the board and kick it out to Rudy for a three ball. So there. He fought for one, at least.

oh man, I think I'm average like, ten points, like, twelve, thirteen dimes, like two, three assists, and about four, five rebounds, and if we need me to play, play a different position, I might get a little bit more.

by abdelnaby on Oct 30, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I’m stunned that no one else has even mentioned his poor performance. We REALLY needed him to step up. Their bigs absolutely brutalized ours and if there aren’t changes we still won’t get past the 1st round.

I didn't mean to turn you on

by dukedee on Oct 30, 2009 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But there’s no excuse for Greg missing those free throws. Hell, when he was at OSU he shot LEFT HANDED when he hurt his other hand. He did just as well as with his right hand, if not better.

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!

by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Oct 30, 2009 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

42 million

could’ve been the biggest blowout ever.

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by hobobob on Oct 30, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

What does that have to do with last night?

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!

by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Oct 30, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it happens

we should have won the game easily and would have done it if LMA, Blake, Miller, Nate and also Oden had done their jobs. The loss is not on GO´s shoulder.

by Falcao on Oct 30, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Greg wasn't the only one who missed late free-throws.

Brandon and LaMarcus did, too.

KP should outfit Blazer unis with steel collars that don’t shrink during tight games.

by MiledAnimal on Oct 30, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Andre did too

"I just sort of know that around the water cooler they talk of reality tv stars, and I strictly drink coffee." -- EvilKaramazov

by BlazersOrBust on Oct 30, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously good things too

Rebound, holy cow. We’re good at that. To shoot negative 25% and still be in the game is good, right?

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by hobobob on Oct 30, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

out of exactly two though

it’s definitely not time to press the panic button yet. We knew from preseason that there would be kinks, and Nate’s planned rotations went belly-up right before the season opened.

"I just sort of know that around the water cooler they talk of reality tv stars, and I strictly drink coffee." -- EvilKaramazov

by BlazersOrBust on Oct 30, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Despite the sunshine and happiness that will come from some, I'll be realistic and say that losing a home game to a division foe is really bad

But first the positives:

Brandon’s FT shooting and all around good game despite a tough shooting night.

Marty’s comeback looks to be on track. Not a great game, but a solid one. Nobody can stop Carmelo one on one when he gets hot, not even the great Nic Batum.

Rudy’s 3 pt shooting was good to see. Four rebounds is good for him. Zero assists though?

Travis even with his poor shooting grabbed seven rebounds and played with some energy. I refuse to be upset with Travis Outlaw if he grabs 7 rebounds in 16 minutes.

The bad:

Everything else

Blake? Its tough to put up zeroes across the board in 20 minutes of play but Blake darn near did it.

To be honest Miller wasn’t much better. He looked disinterested, strange for such a big game against a former team that dropped him no less. Our PG defense is going to be a huge problem all year.

LMA, our 6’ 11" $13 mil/yr jump-shooter. I had hoped he’d made progress over the summer and that his testes dropped. Two games this regular season argue otherwise. Toughen up LaMarcus. Don’t be that guy that gets a big contract and doesn’t improve. All-Stars aren’t scared of contact.

And Oden played like the clumsy Kwame-Brownish mess that we all fear he really is.

It’s still early in the season and there’s TONS of room for improvement, but that was a dog of a game last night and the team that played vs. the Nuggs last night is not a team that gets out of the first round. I’m not going to pretend that playing a fairly awful game and almost winning at home is a silver lining.

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by leeroyjenkins on Oct 30, 2009 7:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And and Nate was totoally outcoached last night too

Not doubting one of the best pure scorers on the planet when he gets hot? Really? I like Nate, I think he’s a good coach. But he’s not a great one…yet. And I think questioning decisions like this is appropriate.

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by leeroyjenkins on Oct 30, 2009 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

doubting = doubling

not doubling = doubting

doubting Carmelo’s ability to score when he’s hot = death

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by leeroyjenkins on Oct 30, 2009 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

More focus on Melo

Great point and I am surprised more people are not talking about this. We didn’t lose to the Nuggets last night, we lost to Carmelo Anthony because of Nate’s lack of common sense. My 8 year old nephew knew we should have double teamed Melo last night and forced another Nugget player to make shots.

Nate is a great assistant coach and the kind of character guy we need in this city – but he is just a terrible head coach.

by anotherthought on Oct 30, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is just a terrible head coach

Come on, now. Garry St. Jean is a terrible head coach. Lon Kruger is a terrible head coach. Nate McMillan is not a terrible head coach. You can’t be the only coach in NBA history to have your team improve by at least nine wins three consecutive seasons or get a talented bunch of young guys all on the same page and buying into your system and be a terrible head coach.

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by BlazersOrBust on Oct 30, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terrible too strong? How about not very good??

Fair enough – maybe terrible is too strong a word . . . again, I like the guy and I think he’s been good for the team. However, my point is that he continues to make really bad decisions during games (especially late in the game). Why is he tinkering with the line up in the last 5 minutes of a game against our NW division rivals? Why not let Oden play with 4 fouls like he did against Houston (and was actually more productive). Nate flip flops more than a politician and it has to be affecting the confidence of his players.

I give Melo total credit for playing like an all-star – which is all the more reason we should have doubled him early and made somebody else on the Nuggets step up. Its call coaching strategy and it seems like we are missing it in PDX.

At the end of the day it’s one game and I’m looking forward to a long season with lots of great wins for the Blazers – who knows, maybe Nate will get better along with his team. Here’s hoping.

by anotherthought on Oct 30, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just about every one of Carmelo's shots were contested.

The guy is playing like a true superstar. Give him a little credit.

by MiledAnimal on Oct 30, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because he was playing like a superstar - we needed to double team!

Why is Carmelo’s being allowed to face up and shoot every trip down the floor. Trap him with Roy/LA Rudy/Miller double team and force him pass out. Billups was having a rare off night and we didn’t take advantage of it.

by anotherthought on Oct 30, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

KP2
Note to Nate: Your only one on one defender is out for three months

KP2’s analysis said 0.8 games worse w/o Nic, so we’ll see. I think it’s more likely 3 or 4 games…there subtle things Nic brings, especially on transistion defense…Joel trying to chase doesn’t work.

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by DucRider on Oct 30, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy’s 3 pt shooting was good to see. Four rebounds is good for him. Zero assists though?

Rudy’s 4th quarter outburst was magic, but I remember him making 3 particularly egregious turnovers, earlier in the game

  1. is a shooting guard, period. And Roy trying to guard Melo was weak sauce

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by two4larue on Oct 30, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops

I forgot you can’t start a line with a “#”

that 1. should above be #5

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by two4larue on Oct 30, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What were the 3?

Just curious, boxscore says he committed 2 turnovers the whole game. One was were he was doubled and threw it away straight to a Denver player but the others?

by Evanescent on Oct 30, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blake? Its tough to put up zeroes across the board in 20 minutes of play but Blake darn near did it.

I had no idea that acquiring Miller would affect Steve so adversely. (I think he’ll eventually snap out of it, but he’s far from the “best backup PG in the NBA” that I expected.) Blake reminds me of a veteran baseball hitter who starts the season off with his batting average “on the Interstate”

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by two4larue on Oct 30, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Toughen up LaMarcus. Don’t be that guy that gets a big contract and doesn’t improve. All-Stars aren’t scared of contact.

Couldn’t agree more. After those late-game rebounds that went Denver’s way for 2nd chance points, I couldn’t help but think to myself “where are you, LMA?”

A (low center of gravity) “banger” is still needed. Even if it hurts LMA’s feelings that he may have to sit and watch that banger play and rebound, down the stretch

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by two4larue on Oct 30, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not going to pretend that playing a fairly awful game and almost winning at home is a silver lining.

Especially against a team that had played the night before and had a hellish travel day. Portland should have run Denver off the floor, but they let them “hang around” and it came back to bit the Blazers

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by two4larue on Oct 30, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry but

the battle in the paint? The rebounding? C’mon Nate!
They shot nine more free throws then us, we shot 41….. thats also a lot. We also out rebounded the Nuggets by nine or so, and there were stretch’s of the game where we had nearly double the rebounds they did, and yet the score was tied.
We shot 20 more field goals then the Nuggets and I am willing to be we were way ahead in total possessions as well. Now you can say the Nuggets “got to the hoop” and that is why they won. It’s at least why they shot a much higher percentage then us. But that again has to do with the offense we are running. It seems designed to get our players the worst possible shots, which is reflected in our pathetic field goal percentage.
As a basketball man schooled in the concepts of Dean Smith, even George Karl must know the Nuggest should have lost this game. If the Blazers are more efficient on offense getting higher percentage shots this game is a blow out. Unfortunately our offense is not designed, it seems, to get our players easy high percentage shots.

by zersrule on Oct 30, 2009 7:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Roy missed a couple layups.

He’s usually pretty good at those. Miller missed 5 wide open shots. Outlaw missed wide open shots. They had good shots and were not open. Missing shots does not determine whether a shot is a good one or not.

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by hobobob on Oct 30, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The loss is on Lamarcus

He looked like the center ona fraternity team, jogging through an intramural game and tossing up long jumpshots because he couldn’t be bothered with anything else. Absolutely terrible effort on both ends of the court. He barely got a hand up to contest eight foot jumpers.

I have no doubt the money will not affect Roy’s work ethic and focus this season. (This summer, who knows.) But Lamarcus, I’m not so sure about. He remains the most maddening player on the team.

Greg, you can’t get up there with the game on the line, take two quick dribbles and chuck up free throws in the general direction of the bucket. Take a breath. Focus. But there were many, many other reasons why the Blazers lost this game. Just looking at foul shooting, Greg is not a good foul shooter, but Brandon, Dre and LMA are. They all went 1-2 down the stretch.

Also, like most NBA coaches, Nate is terrible at managing foul trouble. Greg was dominating the paint on both ends for the entire first half, and picked up a few cheap fouls. So be it. But you absolutely have to play him with 4 fouls in that situation. If he gets another one, or fouls out, THEN you play Howard at the five for long stretches.

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by KP Corleone on Oct 30, 2009 7:10 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Agreed

Nate’s handling of Greg in foul trouble is not helping him learn how to avoid foul trouble and get in to a real flow. He still has problems with cheap fouls, but that’s a learning curve. If he picks up 2 quick fouls, gets yanked, then gets put in for 30 seconds and picks up another foul and gets yanked he’s not gonna learn. Rather than using a formula of 2 fouls in first and yank, why not give him all 3 first half fouls, then yank him. (unless he gets tired of course). Then repeat in second half. If he fouls out it’s not that big of a deal. Joel almost can match him for defense and Oden is not exactly an offensive juggernaut. If they both get in foul trouble Juan Howard showed he can come in and do a heck of a lot.

by BanDenjamin on Oct 30, 2009 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it's the $

but, equally troubling from a performance perspective, the league is starting to develop a “book” on LMA – play physical with him and he’ll float away from contact/the basket over the course of the game.

Everything else you said is 100% in line with how I’m feeling. I’m really frustrated by the way Nate handles foul trouble. While it is on Greg to hit those FTs, it certainly is tough to get a rhythm when the coach pulls him and sits him for roughly an hour (an exaggerated real time guess with how long that game took), the flow he had going early on is one, and he’s expected to get right back to that level. It’s been done enough times now that I think this is something Nate is unwilling/very slow to move on, and that’s unfortunate, because at some point we’ll need GO out there with foul trouble.

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by blazeraddict on Oct 30, 2009 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think your point about the league developing a book on LMA is very well-made

and I’d add to it that I’ve been disappointed so far (admittedly with a very small sample size) with LMA’s seeming lack of desire to dominate this season. He put together that stretch of basketball last year that was the most impressive “Bleep you, just try and stop me because you can’t, punk” display that I’ve seen from LMA during his tenure in the league.

 I haven’t seen that mentality even once yet. He was just abusing whichever PF the Rockets had on him in the first quarter, then was content to drift outside and shoot pick and pops for the rest of the game. We need the LMA from the end of last season to come back with a vengeance.

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by BlazersOrBust on Oct 30, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My concern too...
I have no doubt the money will not affect Roy’s work ethic and focus this season. (This summer, who knows.) But Lamarcus, I’m not so sure about. He remains the most maddening player on the team.

is that LMA, some say to be the Blazer with the most potential and likely best player from his draft, becomes the “bust” many fear Oden is. All that $ going to a jump shooting 4, affecting the ablity to sign real ballers.

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by DucRider on Oct 30, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it just me or does Oden get stripped more than bacon? I know they’re trying to get him involved in the offense and I know it was Denver’s physical front line but still. Come on Greg. I’ll give you a free pass on the missed foul shots. But good Lord, please stop going to the basket passively. TAKE IT TO THE HOLE. Dunk on their faces, even if it means an offensive foul. Establish position. Please.

Starting to annoy me.

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by halo_on on Oct 30, 2009 7:53 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Oden dropping the ball down too low

is the problem.

He’ll fix it with time. :)

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by DigitalDaggers on Oct 30, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe it just feels like it's more than that. If it was Shaq the guard would swipe and hit his hand. Oden

gets the ball knocked right out of there. That Kenyon block from behind was especially frustrating. He needs to finish that.

by BRoyInThe4th on Oct 30, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The defender doesn't usually get the ball and in that case

it’s a foul when its Shaq, a strip when it’s Oden.

Sometimes it’s the ball, but most of those last night, were his hand.

The block not withstanding.

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by hobobob on Oct 30, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

keep the ball high

and throw it down, big man

maybe Bayno can hook up some electrodes to Greg’s butt and “shock” him every time he brings the ball down in drills?

hey, whatever works. Oden should have enough leg strength and height to dunk without having to bring the ball down below his chest and “gather himself”

And more lob passes, please. Where are those, Andre?

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by two4larue on Oct 30, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to say it. But Oden should study from Gasol.

Gasolnever lets the ball beneath his head in the paint.

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by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Oct 30, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone know if Oden has "Kersey Hands"?

You remember Jerome’s small hands that resulted in him struggling to hold on to the ball at times? I sometimes wonder if Oden’s hands are small or weak or both the way players are consistently able to swipe the ball from him. Barkley, Malone, Shaq, and many other power players of the past were able to hold on to the ball no matter who was swiping or where they were holding it. Or, maybe Oden just doesn’t know how to hold the ball properly – sort of a basketball version of fumble-itis.

by BlazerDavid on Oct 30, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Greg's hands are huge

He probably has bigger hands than any other Blazer.

by trk on Oct 30, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bingo

Heck, everybody here learned to chin the ball with two hands in the paint. He’s so big and strong that I think this issue will resolve itself sooner rather than later, but I definitely agree with you that it’s irksome.

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by BlazersOrBust on Oct 30, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nate wasnt perfect

but IMO he coached a decent enough game to win. Our players just have to step up and execute.

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by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2009 8:03 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

The one knock I had on Nate was flip flopping Miller and Blake so much....

pick one and let them get going. No 2 minute shifts. I don’t really have a favorite and both players have their limitations but neither will play well if they can’t get into a rhythm.

by Escrote on Oct 30, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding

I thought miller played really well, but Nate kept shuffling blake out there and there were times where even Roy looked like he would rather have Miller out there.

by BanDenjamin on Oct 30, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I blame this on Nate, too.

First, Nate’s boring, predictable offense that is set up to shoot 3’s and long-range jumpers rather than attacking the basket totally minimizes the value of a player like Dre.

Second, Nate tells pretty much everybody to “take the open shot”. Well, Miller obviously shouldn’t, if he’s not in the lane…

Hoping to see the real Dre soon, but I’m now not holding my breath… C’mon Nate, loosen the reigns!

by Visionary2 on Oct 30, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andre missed a bunny lay-in with about 5 min to go

Nate probably figured that Miller was gassed and wouldn’t be able to finish out the game, so he probably just sent Blake in to give Andre a quick breather

now, if Nate had left Steve in to finish out the game, as bad as he was playing…? Then I would’ve been upset

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by two4larue on Oct 30, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not consistent

because he never gets the ball within eight feet of the basket. Every time LA got the ball last night it seemed he was sure what was be run on offense.

by 7677maniac on Oct 30, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he'll do better against weaker defensive teams

so far, he’s played two of the better defensive teams in the WC

of course, for Portland to ultimately succeed LMA will need to be able to score against the elite defensive teams in the playoffs, To be fair, he did pretty well against Houston (especially when Yao wasn’t in the game) last April

I’m still waiting for Miller, Roy and Rudy to set up the big guys while they’re on the move towards the hoop. Once they get this working, the whole offense will look a lot better

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by two4larue on Oct 30, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny how Roy and Aldridge get contracts and now they can't shoot....

no but really Outlaw and Miller share some of that blame. In the grand scheme of things it was a good game to learn from and not that big of a deal. But then again come playoff time this very well could be a game that decides playoff positioning. You gotta take care of division rivals on your court. Anyway gotta love Websters tenacity but at the same time it would have been nice to have Batum pestering Mellow… Mellow has said before that he hates Nic.

by Escrote on Oct 30, 2009 8:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Like many of you I was disappointed in Aldridge.

Rudy, Roy and Martel impressed. Oden wasn’t that bad. We sure could have used Batum to defend Carmelo. I suspect his absence will continue to be sorely missed in games like this where we have no answer for an enemy’s hot and dominating wing. Still, I was encouraged by Webster’s tough and gritty defense.

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by TwoDeep on Oct 30, 2009 8:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Roy didn't impress me much. If he shoots a decent percentage, that game is ours, easily.

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by hobobob on Oct 30, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He didn't shoot well, true, but he also just threw the ball up a lot after getting hit on drives.

You can’t say he didn’t hit his free-throws… except for that late one, of course.

by MiledAnimal on Oct 30, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you are fouled on a drive and throw up the ball it doesn't count as a FGA

Unless you make the shot. Shooting 6-16 means that he missed a lot of shots, and that isn’t including the shot where he got bailed out by a foul call.

by trk on Oct 30, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because it's a shot if you get the shot off in time?

When you’re fouled, unless it goes in, the foul is considered to occur before the shot attempt.

by Evanescent on Oct 30, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

it was just rudy and martel for me yesterday.

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by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nate is to blame for the loss

Nate is too intransigent in his plan of offense. In order to get good looks for Oden (and Pryz) a specific set of plays needs to be devised to get Oden the ball where he can do the most with it. This will make the opponents bigs stay home on our bigs and give more space for Roy, Fernandez, etc.

Portand (and us Fans) must be ready to lose a few games in order to get Oden (and Pryz) involved in the offense. It will pay dividends later when it will be important (the playoffs). We can win now. To be champions you must invest a few losses to get much bigger wins.

I much rather be the eighth seed with a good offensive scheme than a three seed with offensive weaknesses (inability to score in the post): it didn’t work last year, why would anyone think it would work this year?

Oh. The foul on Oden. It occured before the ball reached Oden. Maritn either pulled his jersey or tried to hold back his arm and prevent Oden from catching the ball—the whistle was late and made everyone think the foul occured when or after Oden caught the ball.

by 7677maniac on Oct 30, 2009 8:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

you are right

but it’s going to play hell with my 61-win prediction.

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by 22baylor on Oct 30, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

COME ON NATE!

Why wasnt there a double team on Melo? We had no answer. As a coach, when your offense or defence is repetitive, every time out for the other team is a chance to figure out how to take advantage of it. Double team Nate. I was frusterated last night at Nate. I have no blame towards Oden for the missed Free throws. I also blame Marcus & Blake! Good job disappearing.

by droyden on Oct 30, 2009 9:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Everyone should remember

that the refs didn’t have a preseason to get accustomed to game conditions. The game seemed to fast for them. By the third week they should be up to speed.

by 7677maniac on Oct 30, 2009 9:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We should make sure to hug the refs next home game and make them feel happy

because it’s not their faults they suck. It’s a tough job.

The refs took something beautiful last night and turned it into Moby Dick without a plot.

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by hobobob on Oct 30, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

they sucked, but as a practical matter they need games to get in the groove. Don’t blame refs for a badly played game. Just win baby.

by 7677maniac on Oct 30, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't blame them for the loss this time. I've done it before and will do it again

This time it wasn’t their faults. All they did this game is make something exciting boring. It’s like when my girlfriend tells a story.

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by hobobob on Oct 30, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would have been nice if Nate let Martell play

in the fourth quarter. Would have also been nice if he didn’t break up the rythm of the team by force feeding Blake back into the lineup for 3-4 minutes midway through the fourth quarter.

There was a unit on the floor that was holding a 5-7 point lead most of the fourth quarter, and Nate just break them up out of a timeout for no apparent reason.

by Rudy4three on Oct 30, 2009 9:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah...

What was the reason for this?? seriously. Towards the end of Blakes 3 min. stint, you could see Nate on the sideline thinking, “What the f did I do?”. In comes Miller.

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by blazerbeliever on Oct 30, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm so ready for Saturday's game.

I just want this pain and sadness that I feel today to go away. Saturday can’t come soon enough.

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by blazerbeliever on Oct 30, 2009 9:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Oden's biggest issue seems to be his lateral movement and coordination

I’m an external party (Clipper fan) so I never got to drink the Oden cool-aide, but I’m still not impressed with his offensive game.

To make things clear – I think he makes a big impact on defense, but that’s not what I am talking about here.

I remember the discussion with clinasian?(sp?) regarding Oden’s offensive game (or lack thereof) and he promptly pointed out there was no data and if you looked at preseason he was beastly.

Well…preseason is over, defensive rotations are more crisp and overall intensity has turned up.

My observations: He looks slow and uncoordinated out there.

His picks look clumsy and he’s too slow to pivot and roll. By the time he pivots and rolls out, ROY is pretty much already to the basket. He’s not going to beat any defenders like that.

by Newtybar on Oct 30, 2009 9:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bad analysis

Roy is too fast in his play (at least last night he was) and doesn’t let the post position settle before making a move. The whole team did that. Only Miller would wait for the offense to get to their position before throwing the entry pass to Oden. The offense is slow, slow, slow.

by 7677maniac on Oct 30, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are right that Oden doesn't set good picks yet

Last night nobody really did, not even Przybilla who usually is very consistent with this, not so much for the pick and roll since he can’t catch most passes on the move but the pick and pop freeing an open wing player.

And he fell back into a nasty habit of bringing the ball low when he couldn’t immediately make a move to the basket so it was easier to strip him. Makes him look like Erick Dampier out there. That was a pretty massive problem early last season, but seemed to look much better at the end of the year.

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by Norsktroll on Oct 30, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eveyone wants Oden

to be like the european bigs, svelte and fleet, with a good outside shot. The only problem is none of them have a post game (Nowitske, the guy on toronto, Kirelinko (sic).

by 7677maniac on Oct 30, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no one wants that from oden

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by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oden is an old-school type center

who is a true half-court post player (and obviously he is very unpolished). The game has evolved away from his type of game, and the Blazer offense has done nothing to adapt to his style. The development of Roy and Aldridge are the biggest reasons, as they have established themselves as the first two options on offense. And Nate’s stubborness (or lack of creativity) on offense doesn’t help, either. But the bottom line is we are now used to 7-footers who play like small forwards and I don’t know if he will ever fit in to today’s NBA.

by BlazerDavid on Oct 30, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

When Oden did score with his back to the basket on the one postive post play of the game, the defender had no chance ( i think it came against Anderson).

by 7677maniac on Oct 30, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

man, oden really gets down on himself easily. i think thats one of his biggest issues. honestly.

especially when he doesn’t have success on his post up isos. i hate to see that. it makes me feel bad.

people killed me around here for saying that oden might get depressed if he isn’t a go-to guy. while it may not happen… the signs are certainly there and its within the realm of possibility.

by mandoman10 on Oct 30, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The way I saw it.

Once again our guys let themselves get pushed around by a tougher team. I don’t know what it is but it seemed like every damn shot Portland took was a jump shot. This team desperately needs a player that can get easy baskets and push the other team around. Portland is to quick to settle for jump shots. Soft.

I love what the Blazers have put together and the defense has improved, but getting easy baskets would be ideal to winning games because when the shooting is off like it was last night against a physical team that bullies you each and every time they play against you and gets to the foul line, we won’t win.

This loss was huge. Period. This could very well be the tie-breaker for the NW division title and they came in and pushed the Trailblazers around in their house. Good luck winning a game in Denver, which is what Portland will have to do to even up the series with this team.

by GTsmookie on Oct 30, 2009 9:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

and why doesn't Brandon...

…Just dunk the f-in ball instead of laying it up. You are playing a divisional rival just BAM it and Finish strong dude!

by GTsmookie on Oct 30, 2009 9:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He doens't like to dunk it

And frankly he didn’t have many chances. Martell did, and he did a great job on two occasions in the second of taking a little space to run the baseline for the two handed jam.

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by skywaker9 on Oct 30, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any one else tired of the same ol saying from Nate

“We had open shots, we just need to hit them.” So if we are shooting 20 footer’s all game and nothing goes in, and our % is in the thirties, we still go with that plan? When is this team gonna take the ball inside and score from inside out instead of the other way around?

by BarelyLegal on Oct 30, 2009 9:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Live by the jump shot

Die by the jump shot. That’s why Oden learning offense and LMA getting out of his funk is so key. Open up the opponent’s defense a bit.

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by skywaker9 on Oct 30, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nate

just doesn’t believe in the post game. At Seattle they didn’t really have one when he played. It was a guard first offense.

by 7677maniac on Oct 30, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't see the post game interviews

but Nate should have shouldered the blame for the lose publicly and praised his team for its play—no matter how he felt about their performance.

by 7677maniac on Oct 30, 2009 9:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was at the game...

and I almost fell asleep, if not for those Denver fans behind being VERY loud (why me?) I would have. At one point I looked up at the board and there had been 50 fouls called and the game wasn’t close to being over!!!! That was not quality basketball. Thank you refs for making it a nice boring basketball game.

by jenstcy on Oct 30, 2009 10:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

coaching

OK, i’ve been loving Blazers Edge for the past year and it feels time to join in. So after watching last season and the first couple games of this season I find myself wondering about the Blazers potential future success being limited by Nate’s approach to offense?
Maybe others can help me out. I may be missing the subtlety in Nate’s offensive schemes? I hear alot about improving 9 games a season and it does seem like Nate has been a great developmental coach. But I also think some of this has been do to great personnel additions on the team. And I wonder if the coaching that got Portland to this stage is the same coaching that will lead to greater success?
I liked that Nate said he wanted to learn from his substitutions at the end of the game. And I realize that the blazers are integrating new people this year. But to me, we got very outcoached the last two games. And we have so much talent and the movement in the offense seems so stolid. I don’t know why we don’t do more pick and rolls etc. I look at Andre Miller and his capacity to open up the floor and I get excited about the poosibilities, like the second quarter in game one.
But I wonder if I’m missing some wisdom in the offense that I just don’t see? To me winning isn’t the only thing, it’s being able to watch a team that plays beautifully. I found myself watching Rick Adelman coaching and missing those days.

by chazk on Oct 30, 2009 10:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was talking to my dad last night about Greg's free throw misses

And he told me, “Getting mad at Greg for not hitting free throws is like getting mad at Brett Favre for not kicking field goals.”

That calmed me down a bit. Ahh, the wisdom of age.

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by RDreamer on Oct 30, 2009 11:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

how do you guys feel about charles BARKLEY's thoughts on the blazers?

his basic premis is that all the blazers go-to-guys are jump shooters and that they can’t get easy buckets. and that the blazers should have or should trade some of their talent for a bucket-getter.

this SOMEWHAT coincides with how i felt after the playoffs. they became somewhat one-dimensional. I guess LMA is supposed to be that guy. but he seems convinced its his deal to take those jumpers. i seen him do it. still waiting for consistent attacks. greg oden can do it. i want him to be that guy. im somewhat distraught ,

by mandoman10 on Oct 30, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You need a post game

to keep a player from team defending (leaving there assignment and playing an area or double teaming). Barkley is right about that.

Where i think he’s wrong is that Oden and Pryz can be post scorers if you construct the offense to aid them in get shots. This is the job of the coaching staff.

Where I think the pundits are wrong is there assessment of Denver. They barely beat the blazers when the blazers had a bad shooting night and when there were a lot of fouls. Denver is more vulnerable than the blazers because they can’t consistently rebound.

I see teams turning Denver into a jump shooting team like the blazers with the same result a playoff qualifying regular season and woefully short in the playoffs.

A fair measure of our team would be a total domination of Denver, especially over their frontline. When we can do that then the Blazers will have made the jump to the next level.

by 7677maniac on Oct 30, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

pryz will never be an option on offense

he can’t even catch the ball…his hands are like made of stone. i can’t tell you how many times he’s bobbled a pass that would have led to an easy dunk.

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by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He caught a lot of passes for dunks and layups last season.

The one he fumbled last night was because Birdman deflected it a bit before it reached him.

by MiledAnimal on Oct 30, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the year before he couldnt catch anything

and even so…we dont even run plays for guys like batum…why run em for pryz?

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by Philthyanimal on Oct 30, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

1 more play ran for pryz

means one less ran for brandon, lma, or whoever our scoring options are in the game

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 1, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great write up as usual Ben.

Looking forward to the next three games between these teams. Blazers are going to enjoy a great year … it may take a little time, but they’ll learn to pull out games like this and even to put teams like Denver away when they have them on the ropes …

Looking forward to more …

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by Nate Timmons on Oct 30, 2009 11:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

nuggets blog

its funny how you leave one comment and they block you from blogging on their site. i didn’t even say anything that bad…lol.

by jeremyse on Oct 30, 2009 1:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

nate timmons

i’m talking about you, thats pretty weak you only want denver fans to post, and not blazer fans. sorry for talking negative about your precious team, but everything i wrote you read and you know it’s true.

by jeremyse on Oct 30, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rudy Vs Ty Lawson

There has been a lot of speculation about Rudy playing PG or playing a Roy/Rudy back court at some point in the future, with lots of questions about how Rudy would do against smaller, quicker PGs. That is whay it was it was interesting that Rudy was matched up against one of those smaller, quicker PGs for most of this game.

The Good:
*Exploiting the height mismatch. Rudy did a good job shooting over the smaller Lawson and showed that he can effectively utilize his height advantage.
*Isolation defense. In 1-on-1 situations, Rudy did a very good job at staying in front of Lawson and using his length to contest shots.
*Driving to the basket. McMillian said that the plays called for Rudy to handle the ball more this year, and Rudy did just that. Rudy drove to the basket, hit shots off the dribble, and drew fouls. Those are all things that he has proved he can do in Europe, but that he really didn’t do very often last year.

The Bad:
*Dishing. Often Rudy would drive to the basket and then dish the ball off to the bigs. Unfortunately, his passes to the bigs were a bit wild and they had trouble catching those passes. This resulted in a turnover and nearly ended up causing a couple more. Rudy has to keep in mind who he is passing to (especially if it is Przybilla) and make sure he gives them passes that they are capable of catching.
*Pick-and-roll defense. Rudy’s normal strategy for pick-and-roll defense (beating the ball-handler to the spot and staying between him and the pick) is really only effective against players who are slower than he is. In this game he ended up getting hit pretty hard by some picks and loosing contact with the ball-handler that he was supposed to be guarding. Eventually he just started going under every pick and forcing Lawson to shoot the mid-range jump shot instead of letting him penetrate. That isn’t a terrible option for defense, but it certainly isn’t ideal either. If Rudy is going to start guarding PGs more often in the future, he is going to have to come up with a better strategy for defending them on pick-and-rolls (this may also require some cooperation from the bigs who are guarding the pick setters).

by trk on Oct 30, 2009 2:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, his passes to the bigs were a bit wild and they had trouble catching those passes

I remember a couple of times last night that Rudy threw “interceptions” (passes that flew directly to Nuggets, not Blazers) Either this guy doesn’t have Sergio-like court vision (which is rare) or his teammates aren’t going to the spots that Rudy expects them to be at, when he picks up his dribble

If Rudy is going to start guarding PGs more often in the future, he is going to have to come up with a better strategy for defending them on pick-and-rolls

Rudy is just as likely to face PnR issues when guarding SGs who can penetrate. Roy and Fernandez are not PGs, either on offense or defense. If Nate wants to play them together for significant minutes, then the coaches need to come up with a zone defensive scheme that will deny penetration, and/or give help to Roy when he’s matched up on larger SFs (send a double-team at Anthony, etc)

The current Blazer defensive strategy is just asking for trouble when Rudy-Brandon are in the game together—they had better be able to outscore the opponent, because the two of them can’t stop contending teams from getting easy baskets or wide-open looks at the hoop

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by two4larue on Oct 30, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy is just as likely to face PnR issues when guarding SGs who can penetrate.

Rudy usually does ok against pick-and-roll against SGs, because they aren’t as quick as PGs. He uses the “belly up” strategy which is very effective when it works, but only works consistently if the defender is quicker than the ball-handler.

I don’t see any reason why Rudy wouldn’t be able to an above average defender at the PG position. It just requires him to make some adjustments to the way he does defense, because for the first time in his career he is getting matched up against some opponents who are quicker than him.

by trk on Oct 30, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This looks like last years team.. We needed to really improve in the offseason and Andre Miller won’t take us to the next level I’m afraid. Then again, Hedo or Millsap wouldn’t have done much either.

We needed something like that trade the Nuggets made last year to get Billups…

by ChrisG503 on Oct 31, 2009 2:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs


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