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Game 2 Recap: Blazers 94, Nuggets 97

The Blazers faced a pretty tough test at the Rose Garden tonight.  They didn't exactly fail it but much as in Game 1 they showed they still have things to learn.  I can think of at least three things they can pick up from the experienced division rivals who defeated them tonight.

1.  You keep playing your game for 48 minutes.  The Blazers had some torrid spurts tonight but they also had some serious dead zones, first offensively and later defensively.  The Nuggets just kept pounding away at it.  In the end that pounding was enough to overcome the hot streaks.

2.  Sometimes a superstar really can beat a team.  Both Brandon Roy and Rudy Fernandez had great offensive games tonight.  But when the game got tight in the fourth the Blazers ended up going in multiple directions.  The Nuggets, on the other hand, just kept at it with Anthony, Anthony, Anthony.  He was that good.  Also Denver did a better job bothering Roy than the Blazers did bothering Carmelo.  At some point you adopt their strategy and make anyone else beat you no matter what the cost.

3.  Never lose track of your drink in the tattoo parlor.

The Blazers were active on both ends of the floor to start this game.  They looked confident.  On offense they were either feeding the ball to Oden or letting Roy set up on the wing.  Denver doubled either way and Portland did a fantastic job of finding the open man.  The shots were mostly jumpers but enough of them fell to make things comfortable.  On defense Oden patrolled the middle and Denver didn't see much inside success.  Then Greg's shift was up (he looked a little winded) and Joel Przybilla entered.  Joel played gamely but he doesn't have the same effect Greg does, particularly on the offensive end.  Now Denver defenders could stick with their men.  Now their shots started coming farther in.  The Blazer offense stalled in the last part of the first quarter and Denver streaked out to a 24-17 lead.  The first dead zone took its toll.

The Blazers zoomed back behind Miller and Fernandez to retake the lead at the start of the second.  Oden and Przybilla both took the floor to start the period which cut down on Denver's inside attempts again.  Unfortunately it also increased the potential for fouls on both men.  Przybilla picked up one early and Oden had two more by the six-minute mark.  Przy would pick up another before the quarter was done and all of a sudden the Blazers were vulnerable in the middle.  The issue was masked somewhat by the energy that Fernandez and Martell Webster put out.  It was a shaky period for both teams but the Blazers went into the locker room up 1.

By halftime certain things were becoming evident.  The most obvious was that the Blazers were owning the glass, making up for their relatively poor, perimeter-oriented shooting.  Denver would never sniff an offensive rebound, let alone a second-chance point, until late in the game.  The Blazers were collecting offensive rebounds like Halloween candy.  ("Open the bag, guys!  What have you got?  Whoa!  12 offensive rebounds?  Don't eat those all tonight.  You'll get sick!")  On the other hand Denver was staying in the game by driving the ball.  They weren't so much getting up shots as drawing fouls...like they were Halloween candy.  The refs made it pretty clear during the course of the game that aggressiveness was going to be rewarded.  The Nuggets responded, Portland didn't.  The two effects pretty much cancelled each other out.  The Blazers basically doubled up the Nuggets on shot attempts but they couldn't get a lead bigger than one point.  That's not good.

The third quarter saw more perimeter shooting and rebounding by the Blazers and more driving and free throws for Denver.  Portland seemed to fall in love with the three-point attempt in particular.  It was a bad relationship.  Greg Oden and Martell Webster had a couple of manly moments inside and Brandon Roy started driving, but there was way too much over the top shooting.  Despite still owning the glass and actually bumping the Nuggets around inside Portland only gained three points on Denver in the quarter.

Then came the fourth.

The period started with Chauncey Billups doing a little scoring to bring Denver back.  Then they decided to guard Rudy Fernandez with the smaller Ty Lawson.  Rudy basically did a tap dance on his head...spinning, floating, firing, bombing, connecting from everywhere.  Denver decided two could play that game and set Carmelo Anthony loose on whoever was guarding him.  After ‘Melo scored approximately a billion points Brandon Roy came in and tapped Rudy on the shoulder, cutting in on the dance.  All of a sudden Roy was driving and dazzling.  Then ‘Melo got serious and started penetrating in earnest, drawing foul shots galore.  Then Roy got serious and started driving too, drawing foul shots galore.  It looked like this one was going to go down to the wire.

In the end the Blazers lost the game because in the midst of all of this Denver started outhustling them.  Denver's defense got more active.  After not having a single offensive board the entire game they started corralling their own misses.  The Blazers looked like the team coming off a back-to-back late in the fourth while the Nuggets looked fresh.  As the clock dwindled the Blazers also missed some critical free throws, with Roy, Miller, Aldridge, and Oden all contributing to the charity stripe leakage.  All totaled it was probably only a half-dozen point difference between the hustle and the foul shots, but then again the Blazers only lost by three.

At no time did the Blazers look awful.  At no time did they look out of it.  But at no time did they put together a sustained, complete game on both ends either.  They looked dominant in certain areas (rebounding, ball movement) and had flashes of brilliance in others (individual scoring) but there were too many gaps.  Denver tried to hit those gaps and eventually they got through.  In short, it was an October-type game for Portland against an opponent they needed to play April ball against.

Individual Notes

 Brandon Roy had a rough shooting night early but really stepped up his offensive game as the night progressed.  Among all of the Blazers he was the one who most consistently put the ball on the floor and made Denver defend him.  He was rewarded with 18 free throws, of which he made 16.  This turned his 6-16 shooting night into a 30-point affair.  It wasn't the perfect game from him but he did get into the flow nicely and he did step forward to take over, as he should.

Rudy Fernandez had a nice game.  We already mentioned how he slapped the Nuggets upside the head early in the fourth.  He also showed hustle on the boards and was generally alert and active.  He shot 6-9, 2-5 from the arc, and made 8 of 8 free throws...the only Blazer besides Brandon who drew a significant number of free throw attempts.  He finished with 22 points and 4 rebounds.

Martell Webster provided some nice energy and a little punch, in particular showing emotion after a dunk-then-block sequence in the second quarter.  He remained active even when he wasn't able to control Carmelo.  Actually he and Anthony were busting each others' chops until the fourth when Anthony finished the argument by scoring 82 bazillion points and leading his team to victory.  But Martell proved valuable out there again.  The Blazers aren't missing Nicolas Batum nearly so much as we feared.  10 points, 4 rebounds, 2 blocks.

Greg Oden only played 22 minutes because of foul trouble.  He'll also be remembered for (and is probably remembering himself as we speak) missing two foul shots late that could have put the Blazers ahead.  But everybody can forget those, including him.  That's not what he's in there for.  He played solidly otherwise.  He grabbed rebounds.  He patrolled the middle.  He really made life tough on the Nugget bigs.  Nene and Martin combined for 13 points tonight because neither one of them could get inside.  They're good offensive rebounders and they got goose-egged for most of the game.  This is what you want out of Greg.  He also looked more confident setting himself and calling for the ball in the post.  He still can't gain a single inch of space after he catches it unless the defender is out of position to one side or the other, but that will come.  Baby steps.  6 points, 9 rebounds, 2 blocks.

Joel Przybilla got 6 rebounds in 12 minutes spelling Oden but also picked up 5 fouls.  Perhaps he's been watching Oden tapes from last season?  You can visibly tell the difference in the offense when Joel subs in for Greg.  The defense has an easier time and is able to put more pressure everywhere else.  Joel could help this by remembering how to catch the ball.  If the pass is perfect he'll get it but anything else and it's dropped.  Joel has fought this problem on and off throughout his career.  He needs to remember the good times when he was getting his mitts on it.

I almost forgot LaMarcus Aldridge in the rush.  I thought he did a decent job defensively.  He didn't back down from any of the Denver big guys even when he spent minutes at center because Joel and Greg were unavailable.  He grabbed 7 rebounds in 40 minutes but it's not like he was letting them slip by him.  The effort looked like it took its toll on his offensive game, however.  He ended up 4-15.  Some shots were difficult, some were just misses that are usually makes.  He notched 9 points.  13 would have been perfect.

Travis Outlaw followed up his sterling offensive night against Houston with a 1-8 effort in 16 minutes tonight.  In a way this was OK because tonight the part of Travis Outlaw was played by Rudy Fernandez.  To Travis' credit he got 7 rebounds in those same 16 minutes and kept at it defensively.  It wasn't an ideal game for him but it's not like he sunk us.

It was a rough night for both point guards.  On the bright side Chauncey Billups only shot 5-14.  On the not-so-bright side he drew 12 free throw attempts and ended up with 22 points because our guys couldn't stay with him.  Worse, that's 14 more points than Blake and Miller produced combined.  (Perspective:  Ty Lawson all but matched their scoring in 17 minutes and they played 47.) At least they generated 8 assists to Chauncey's 6.  Miller went 3-11 from the field.  The most damaging part of it was that he went 0-3 on some ugly three-pointers and only got 3 foul shots.  When Andre is firing as many threes as free throws he's not in his element.  Blake didn't connect with anything, though in his defense he was forced into some bad shots by his own team.  But he never really generated anything besides those.  Nate subbed him in for Miller midway through the fourth, unfortunately just as Miller looked like he might cause Denver some trouble.  Blake responded with a turnover and was out 90 seconds later.  It was not his evening.

Final Thoughts

Don't take this game too much to heart.  Games in October don't really decide anything.  (And for those who might not have read me much, yes, I would have said that had the Blazers won as well.  You can ask any long-term reader, half of whom get really mad when I temper the significance of a Blazer win that looks better than its effect ultimately turns out to be.)  If the Blazers and Nuggets end up tied again we might look back on this and rue the day.  And of course it would have been nicer to win.  But the way the Blazers are playing right now a loss was coming somewhere.  I had it pegged for Saturday at Houston.  But maybe this one will wake up the team and take the place of that one.  If so, 2-1 is 2-1.

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Go ahead and have a peek at DenverStiffs.com if you wish.

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Can't win em all.

This one was pretty frustrating though. Toward the end nobody could hit a free throw. Sad. We’ll get em next time.

Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. - 'The Sports Guy' Bill Simmons

It was rip city showtime - fully fantastic - positively Portland - slam bombastic!

by doublezeroduck on Oct 30, 2009 12:12 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

More Martell, please

Martell was the one guy who slowed down ‘Melo tonight, and he got the chain at times simply because this is a deep team. Webster is playing at a really, really high level on both ends, and we need him in there. If that means it costs Outlaw and Rudy some minutes, that’s fine right now.

by travis13 on Oct 30, 2009 12:21 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Should have kept him on Melo.

He could not have had any less luck than Roy and it would have saved some of Roy’s energy for scoring. I can’t help but think he would have had another 10 pts.

I’m not sure why the Martell or Rudy shows got cut off when they did.

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by MojoMan on Oct 30, 2009 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Martell looks great.

I can’t stress this enough.

Chuck Norris' tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried.

by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Oct 30, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, and more 'Dre, please

Blake can’t guard any of the guys in the Nuggets’ backcourt. Then, on top of that, he came in late in the 4th and threw the ball away. I’m looking forward to the day Nate wakes up and starts Dre, plays Blake in spots, then ends with Andre. Blake contributed in no way tonight.

by travis13 on Oct 30, 2009 12:23 AM PDT reply actions  

chill. it's october 29th for god's sake.

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.

by GoBlaze22 on Oct 30, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

but I do agree with you

that andre should be starting soon.

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.

by GoBlaze22 on Oct 30, 2009 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm as chill as can be after that loss

I appreciate Blake, really do. Miller’s D is superior and so is his handling the rock and interior (overall) scoring ability. I’m not calling for Blake’s head or anything here. Just hate losing games we should win, but, of course, responsibility falls everywhere.

by travis13 on Oct 30, 2009 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

It does take a few hours to decompress after that game. And blake really didn’t contribute in any way tonight. I totally agree with you after tonights showing. But we’ll see how blakie does next game.

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.

by GoBlaze22 on Oct 30, 2009 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, But I Do Not See Miller As A Game Changer

He made a few veteran plays, but he did not bring the offense to life, and he did not help himself by shooting poorly — but so did most of the team.

Blake, Outlaw, Aldridge and Roy had pretty bad shooting nights.

We had them in the penalty early in the 4th and no one but Roy and Rudy drove the ball to the hoop.

I’m also concerned about Oden getting double-teamed. he doesn;t seem to recognize that he needs to pass out of it.

by Anim8rguy on Oct 30, 2009 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not saying he's a total game changer

Not every night. But Miller’s defense and ability to put the ball in the hole, make plays in the lane — he’s superior to Blake in these ways, major ways, really. I like Blake and his hustle and shooting are important to this team.

by travis13 on Oct 30, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody gets that this loss was a BIG loss to a divisional opponent.

They just think since it is October it doesn’t count as much. Now we have to win one in Denver. Not easy.

by GTsmookie on Oct 30, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or win two elsewhere

Question: Would the Nuggets have been more nervous losing this game to us? Answer: No. They would have thought they’d come out ahead anyway. They also would have been thrilled (and amused) if Portland thought they had won the division by virtue of one three-point game in October.

The only way the tiebreakers come into play is if there is an actual tie. If we finish with 55 wins and Denver with 54 then we win the division and the superior playoff seed even if they beat us every single time they play us.

—Dave

by Dave on Oct 30, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not whether we beat Denver

or not, or whether we win the division or not, it’s about having the team working together at the end of the season in a way that allows us to dominate a team with an undersized front line like Denver’s. This would mean we could challenge LA, Boston, and Orlando.

by 7677maniac on Oct 30, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say Denver is undersized

I’d say they got one of the best two way frontlines in the West.

Nene is a good physical defender who gets a lot of steals and isn’t a bad shotblocker, and usually really attacks the opposing big on offense with his athleticism and nice touch. Kenyon Martin is known for frustrating opposing bigs with his pushing and grabbing and physical nature as well.

And then Birdman, who isn’t a great offensive player, but also a good defensive player who goes all out for his limited minutes.

There’s plenty of undersized frontlines, but Denver isn’t one of them.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Oct 30, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I liked

Martell looked like he had something to prove, and he proved it guarding one of the toughest match-ups he’ll see all season.

Rudy finally proved that he’s got game inside the three point line.

Our bigs nullified theirs.

What I did not like:

We still don’t have an answer at point. Might as well play Bayless darn it…

Our offense looks like the Keystone Cops half the time. Who’s steering this ship?

My team went to the playoffs in my first year.

by pxilpooshr on Oct 30, 2009 12:32 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I liked

to see rudy driving through the lane tonight! that was exciting, especially with Martell sittin’ out there on the three point line.

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.

by GoBlaze22 on Oct 30, 2009 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah watching him again this summer (after watching him in the Olympics the year before) I was wondering again why I only see him taking spot up threes for the Blazers. tonight he brought his Euro game a little. Nice to see.

My team went to the playoffs in my first year.

by pxilpooshr on Oct 30, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

damn straight!

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.

by GoBlaze22 on Oct 30, 2009 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I never say this,

But I was at the game tonight. And during pre game shoot around blake looked off. He didn’t look confident with his shot and I wondered if that would translate to the game. apparantly it did. But I still hate it when people start off their post " I was at the game tonight!" whoop dee doo.

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.

by GoBlaze22 on Oct 30, 2009 12:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Frustrating loss...

Let’s face it, if Oden makes two free throws with 4 seconds left we’re all going 82-0 baby! We didn’t play well at all in the fourth, the refs made some ver-r-ry questionable cals, particularly star calls for Melo, and you know – you’ve GOT to MAKE your FREE throws…

Rudy was awesome tonight (fallaway from the foul line was highlight film material). Roy stepped up. Martell played great fr his first shift… And the Blazer fans did some pretty entertaining dances for the crowd… That’s about it.

I hate Denver… And now I’m 0-1 for the season… Gotta make that up Sunday v Minn..

I’m hoarse, tired, and not happy. All because a big dude didn’t shoot it in the hoop once or twice from 15’ with 4 secs on the clock… And the Yank-mes won too… (Sigh) Such is the life of a sports fan… Night all…

by Visionary2 on Oct 30, 2009 12:45 AM PDT reply actions  

melo really stepped up tonight.

gotta give it to him. he made a bunch of clutch shots. but I hate him too. It’s so easy to hate that guy, He wants to be a thug so bad.

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.

by GoBlaze22 on Oct 30, 2009 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

The top 4 in the West is a hard part of town

And yes I miss Nic but this is still a better team than last year.

by southern oregon on Oct 30, 2009 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

The good that should come out of the misses is

that GO will remember it forever and will practice, practice, practice.

"I won't back down." -- Tom Petty

"History is important. If you don't know history it is as if you were born yesterday. And, if you were born yesterday, anybody up there in a position of power can tell you anything, and you have no way of checking up on it." -- Howard Zinn

by MojoMan on Oct 30, 2009 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

He didn't miss his 'throw because of lack of practice.

He missed it because he was tight. The only cure is to be in that situation often enough that you learn to relax when it happens.

by MiledAnimal on Oct 30, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Blazers aren’t missing Nicolas Batum nearly so much as we feared.

Carmelo Anthony and his 41 points say that the Blazers are missing Batum as much as we feared.

by trk on Oct 30, 2009 12:54 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

NO

Martell played great Defense on Melo.

Enjoy the Ride

by DigitalDaggers on Oct 30, 2009 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

yep

worked his tail off.

My team went to the playoffs in my first year.

by pxilpooshr on Oct 30, 2009 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say Melo makes what he was making against Anyone

Melo is a damn good offensive player, and to me one of the very best in terms of versatility.

Martell did a good job making him work, but on nights like this that’s all you can do with Melo.

M—

by Mortimer on Oct 30, 2009 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still would have helped to have had Batum

We had Miller and Roy on Melo at various times. There’s no doubt Webster made him work the hardest— while Batum would have done even better IMO, the main thing would have just been having someone else to throw at Melo.

by jksnake99 on Oct 30, 2009 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Nate

Wanted to let Roy show he can handle the other team’s best player, since that means we can have Roy and Miller out there as well.

The thing is, Melo is one of the few SFs that we can’t expect Roy to guard well. He’s too big and good offensively. I think he can play SF to end most games, but not Melo. Or Artest. No one bigger than him.

—M

by Mortimer on Oct 30, 2009 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nate pulling Webster off of Melo

It seemed obvious to keep Martell defending Melo in crunch time.

Does anyone know why Nate did that?

I’m not like crazy mad right now as I type or anything…I just think that was a crucial part of our loss tonight.

Enjoy the Ride

by DigitalDaggers on Oct 30, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

To get Rudy in the game.

I would have maybe liked to see Rudy and Roy as the combo guards and Martell on Melo, but if you’re gonna have a PG out there it should hopefully be Miller, and then if ya want Rudy out there, ya gotta move Roy to SF.

—M

by Mortimer on Oct 30, 2009 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Roy-PG, Rudy-SG, Webs-SF, LMA-PF, and Oden-C

Would have been my crunch time unit.

Enjoy the Ride

by DigitalDaggers on Oct 30, 2009 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Against Denver

I agree. Melo needs a bigger defender.

M

by Mortimer on Oct 30, 2009 1:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

He also tried having Rudy defend Billups so he could have Martell and him in. That didn't look too good either.

But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart

by Norsktroll on Oct 30, 2009 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Webster did awesome

it was Melo shooting over the top that did the Blazers in, late. Perhaps Batum and his extraordinary reach may have made that more difficult. Brandon is tough, and Melo didn’t go around him – but he just made shots – including ALL his crunch time free throws. If Melo shot a still outstanding percentage from the line, missing one or two here or there late – and the Blazers most likely win.

I still think all went absolutely perfect for the Nuggets to steal this one. The Blazers aren’t going to shoot 34% very often – and few teams can shoot 34% and have a chance to win (or drop 26 turnovers and win by 9, etc.)

This loss hurts – but considering the Blazers battled hard and were competitive without playing good basketball – things are looking way up.

by blacknoiseNW on Oct 30, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Melo's FT shooting is an underrated topic about last night

Even if he only shoots 85% from the line, we win that game. 18/19 is ridiculous by anyone’s standards (except maybe Redick or Calderon).

by Royster on Oct 30, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Batum

would have certainly helped keep Melo working.

Melo went off when Martell wasn’t on him.

Enjoy the Ride

by DigitalDaggers on Oct 30, 2009 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I could have done a lot better.

I can bench like 265 pounds. These guys are pathetic. And fire Nate while you’re at it.

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.

by GoBlaze22 on Oct 30, 2009 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

My dad and I were talking at the game about this all night...

between Nate shuffling guys in so much, especially in the 4th, and the refs making a million weak and/or phantom calls, there was no flow to the game at all. It was stop and go all night long with the refs and players had little chance of getting into the groove as you mentioned.

It has been mentioned before but Nate needs to let Greg play with fouls. That sub of Przybilla for Greg late in the 4th was unneccesary IMO. for one thing, Joel lasted like 3 seconds before promptly fouling himself out and Nate did the substitution just when it looked like Greg was starting to put some pressure on Denver’s bigs.

"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman

by clinchmobb on Oct 30, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

He did some things I didn't get

Mainly, putting Blake back in for that short stretch.

I DO understand pulling Oden to save him, since he isn’t anywhere close to a point where you can trust him with 4 fouls. And if you want him in at the end, you save him.

It hurts him from establishing a rhythm, but if you want to make sure you have him for the last 3 minutes, ya save him.

Morty

by Mortimer on Oct 30, 2009 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I could not possibly disagree more about Oden

He has never responded well to the yanking and yo-yo-ing. It doesn’t work for him. Let him foul out.

by jksnake99 on Oct 30, 2009 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

No one responds well to it

But it means he won’t likely be there for the end of the game.

If you want him to be there at the end, you gotta save him.

If you let him foul out, and Joel fouls out also, you’re looking at Juwan at the end of the game.

-M

by Mortimer on Oct 30, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, but the points scored in the 3rd and early 4th count just as much

If you leave Oden in, maybe you go on a run. Its certainly better than what Nate always does. He handles Oden’s foul trouble incompetently.

by jksnake99 on Oct 30, 2009 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd say he handles them traditionally

And the problem worsens because you can’t trust Oden to play with those fouls. He’d either foul out right away or be hesitant and weak on defense.

He isn’t KG yet, who can be trusted to play with fouls.

I get wanting to save Oden to have him play at the end of the game. I can see the argument for letting him keep playing with a 2nd foul early on more than 4 or 5 fouls in the 3rd or early 4th— since we want him in there at the end.

In the first quarter though, if he gets two quick ones, I’d like to keep him in there and hope he doesn’t get a 3rd. And if he does, then pull him.

Morty

by Mortimer on Oct 30, 2009 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess you are right that Nate does it traditionally

I just think tradition is unbelievably stupid in this case. Oden didn’t foul out today. Maybe he could have played a few more minutes without fouling out, but we’ll never know because Nate had him— and Joel— on the pine. No excuse to play Juwon that much unless both Oden and Joel are gone. Period.

by jksnake99 on Oct 30, 2009 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree it is too rigid a policy

And one every coach follows… and I definitely don’t think it is necessary so early in the game.

Once it gets to 4 fouls in the 3rd, it just depends on the player or situation. With Oden, of course, that 5th and 6th could be two plays away, and you either might wanna wait and save him to let him finish and be a part of the end of game (for development reasons), or wait for a better matchup if the players in the game right then are taking advantage of his propensity for fouls.

Juwan was in the game tonight far too long. He wasn’t messing up really, which is a nice change from Frye, but obviously he just can’t do as much as Joel or Oden.

Oden’s foul problems tonight aren’t so bad if Joel doesn’t rack up the fouls in such prodigious fashion. Most nights both of those dudes get in quick and easy trouble, and we’re playing someone good, it’s gonna be a tough night. I get Nate being conservative in the 2nd half. I disagree with it being that way EVERY game, or early in the game.

Oden really held Nene to pretty much nothing… and Nene is a beast. Oden also got close to the hoop easy on him. A lil’ more refinement… just a lil’ mo’.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Oct 30, 2009 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

LaMarcus vs. Nene and Howard vs. Martin/Anderson isn’t a matchup that we are likely to win.

But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart

by Norsktroll on Oct 30, 2009 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if there are stats somewhere showing how likely players are to pick up fouls within a certain time span of one another, due to player mindset or that the refs have suddenly put them on the their foul radar. Has me wondering if coaches base this tradition on something we may not realize.

I'm on your bandwagon. Eating your nachos.

by Fanboi on Oct 30, 2009 4:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah... it really doesn't make sense.

It is just a convention. The only thing that is conceivable to worry about is having a player foul out so early that you are stuck with having to play your back-ups or third string guys for a longer stretch of time than you can afford. If Oden were to foul out in the first half, that could be a problem. But, when Nate pulled Oden the first time, that wasn’t really the concern.

by PoliSam on Oct 30, 2009 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

But, when Nate pulled Oden the first time,

In the third quarter.

by PoliSam on Oct 30, 2009 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

4 fouls with 7 minutes to go in the 3rd, right?

that was a problem. I have no arguments with that subbing. If Greg had fouled out in the 3rd or early 4th, I would have been pissed

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"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on Oct 30, 2009 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's way true dude

If Oden fouls out before the 4th, or with half the 4th to go, there’d be no end of second guessing— especially when Joel is in big foul trouble. It means we’re expecting Juwan to finish the game for us, or have LMA and Trout be our frontline.

There’d be no end of the hand wringing and second guessing if we played and lost with LMA as the 5 and Trout as the 4.

Saving players makes sense, though of course it likely throws them out of a rhythm.

Morty

by Mortimer on Oct 30, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't see as much pushing of the tempo

I missed parts of the game but I didn’t see the Blazers run as much as they did against Houston, now it might be because there weren’t as many blocks but I saw the offense do much of what it did last year which was continue to run down the shot clock and then be forced into shooting.

by gotissues68 on Oct 30, 2009 1:00 AM PDT reply actions  

I just joined BlazersEdge...

…so I could post this.

Martell is our best perimeter defender. Martell did a GREAT job tonight denying Melo the ball and then, when Melo did get a touch, he made him work for his shots.

Why do you take the guy with the most fire and best defense off of Melo in crunch time in the 4th?!?! NATE, I AM TALKING TO YOU. WHY DID YOU PULL MARTELL OFF OF MELO IN THE 4TH QUARTER?

Yeah, we missed free throws. Denver missed them too. Denver still got the win…and they got that win by force-feeding Melo in crunch time.

I like Nate. I hope we renew his contract. I just think that pulling Webster, our best perimeter defender, off of Melo in the 4th is what cost us the game tonight. More than bad calls and more than missed free throws.

Note: I was courtside in a Phillies hat, left of the TNT booth.

Enjoy the Ride

by DigitalDaggers on Oct 30, 2009 1:02 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I think that Martell did fantastic, but

It’s possible he just doesn’t have the stamina for long minutes coming back from his time off in the boot and not running. Nate may have seen him start to fade and sat him.

My team went to the playoffs in my first year.

by pxilpooshr on Oct 30, 2009 4:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rudy scored 22 points

it was an offensive substitution

by goblazer1 on Oct 30, 2009 8:58 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

bad coaching move

if that was the reason.

you don’t take out the only guy slowing down the other team’s superstar in crunch time. for any reason. they force-fed melo and that is what won the game for Denver

Enjoy the Ride

by DigitalDaggers on Oct 30, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

See? Tthe TNT Curse screwed you twice!

The Blazers lost AND the Phillies lost.

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Oct 30, 2009 3:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

ugh yeah

i was 0/2 last night with the teams. :(

craig sager seemed disappointed the phillies lost when i said hi to him…he went up a notch…well, 2 notches if you count the primo suit he was wearing!

Enjoy the Ride

by DigitalDaggers on Oct 30, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was at the game

And it was incredibly frustrating and boring, especially for being close and against a division rival.

60 fouls?! 90 free throws?!

It felt like the whistle blew almost every play. Unbearable to watch. Talk about killing the flow of a game. It didn’t even end until 10:45…

by BOSAKI on Oct 30, 2009 1:03 AM PDT reply actions  

You were at the game!

OMG!

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.

by GoBlaze22 on Oct 30, 2009 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol, no

it was a joke. gotcha!

by BOSAKI on Oct 30, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Damn it!!!

that was a cheap shot. LOL.

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.

by GoBlaze22 on Oct 30, 2009 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I only said that

cuz I wasn’t sure how the choppiness of the game was conveyed on TV. I watched the post game and they said it was a “great early season game.” Maybe we saw different games…

by BOSAKI on Oct 30, 2009 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was pretty choppy there in the 4th.

I was hoping for overtime because I hadn’t finished my coors light yet.

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.

by GoBlaze22 on Oct 30, 2009 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

and then some 65 year old man

cut in front of me in the max line as we were leaving. No respect for social norms at all! But what was I gonna do? Push him onto the tracks or start a verbal war with an old man? He elbowed my buddy 3 times while boarding the max too!? Old disrespectful men have immunity though. You can’t fight them. Ha Ha!

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.

by GoBlaze22 on Oct 30, 2009 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can

no country for old men

"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"

by Eat Politicians on Oct 30, 2009 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

tombstone is better.

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.

by GoBlaze22 on Oct 30, 2009 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dude!!!

do yourself a favor and rent it tommorow.
kurt russell, val kilmer, sam elliot, bill paxton, shootout at the OK corral! so much better than kevin costners version.

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.

by GoBlaze22 on Oct 30, 2009 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

speaking of boobs...

At the game tonight, a fan behind us mentioned that the twin towers were in. (which was awesome). And right at that moment a well endowed female walked in front of us. So I said to my buddy… “hey the twin towers are in, and Oden and Przybilla are in at the same time!”
I made a funny.

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.

by GoBlaze22 on Oct 30, 2009 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

ha!

lol, towers isn’t the most flattering description…

by BOSAKI on Oct 30, 2009 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

they were perfect!

and al natural, in a nice form fitting sky blue top. Even though we lost, it was still a great day to be a blazer. :)

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.

by GoBlaze22 on Oct 30, 2009 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Old people can do/say whatever they want

They’ve lived their lives. They have nothing to lose.

by BOSAKI on Oct 30, 2009 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly!

I should have asked him if he was a vet. If so… then by all means cut in front of me, if not, he’s just an A-hole!

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.

by GoBlaze22 on Oct 30, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

those kids with their xylophones

before tipoff were pretty sweet though.!
They rocked the garden all right!

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.

by GoBlaze22 on Oct 30, 2009 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

In my eyes this loss falls squarely on LMA.

I don’t remember one post move, not one. Yes free throws cost us, but 7 rebounds in 40 minutes I’m sorry, that is not acceptable. For Travis maybe, but for LMA it is unexcusable to play like such a cream puff. I think LMA is a great player, and will continue to improve, it’s just the 2nd game of the year, but hopefully this was a little bit of a wake up for him. We need rebounds from him in the double digits, and we need points off the block like a POWER FORWARD not a small forward! If your shot isn’t falling take it to them draw fouls.

There is a reason Nate starts the game going to LMA on the block, to drive home we need those low post close range buckets. With Greg now being an option it will enforce even more of LMA’s desire to take the jumper. LMA will have to force himself to not be deterred from taking shots on the block. 4-15 with shots on the block would make me oh so happy.

I truly believe Nates comments about GO before the season started, were intended to not let the offensive success of the preseason take away from his defensive focus. But after a night like this it definitely makes me look forward to when Gregg will be ready to carry some of the offensive load on the block. It wouldn’t have taken much to have given us a different result. It will come this season in due time. I’m actually more concerned about LMA’s love affair with the jumper.

by Titlein2011 on Oct 30, 2009 1:07 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree LMA is too finesse

He never goes up strong. But this loss had more to do with Denver being tough, and the Blazers playing Denvers game and losing.

by goblazer1 on Oct 30, 2009 9:02 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

the bigs are having trouble keeping the ball when making isolation moves to the hoop

LMA did go there, and tried a couple other times – but opponents are crowding the Blazer bigs and forcing the wings and guards to beat them over the top or off the dribble.

Last night – we were one or two made shots from making that strategy backfire – and most nights – the Blazers win that.

by blacknoiseNW on Oct 30, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

need a post presence on offense

This season will turn out a lot like last if the Blazers don’t find a consistent scoring option in the post. The best options available are Oden and LMA. At this point LMA is not moving in the right direction.

by 55wins on Oct 30, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a hideous fanboy

try as I might I can’t be mad at Oden. Although I kinda feel like I should be. It was a weird foul and a terrible place to be in. However if Blake or Trout had missed those I would be waxing poetic about how they are killing the team.

That is pretty weak sauce. Blah on me…

"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"

by Eat Politicians on Oct 30, 2009 1:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Can't hate on Oden

He is too lovable.

"Goals are good. Plans are better." -Ben.

by Sabonis4Ever on Oct 30, 2009 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I only wish Oden had made them so that he could carry the positive feeling forward of having made two clutch free throws.

Even if we ended up losing anyway; you know he will carry those misses as a burden for awhile.

I am an oasis of Blazer fandom in a bleak desert of Laker fans.

by RenoBlazerFan on Oct 30, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wish i didnt pay 18 bucks to see a free throw contest.

It was bad officiating but it was just as bad for both teams. Rudy Roy Juwan and Webster deserved to win this one, too bad the game takes 5. Unless you are denver then it only takes billups and melo.

by tevisthe4th on Oct 30, 2009 1:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Officiating was terrible.

It wasn’t necessarilly one-sided. It seemed to me like the refs would screw up a call on one end and then whistle a make-up call on the other. All night long.
That style definitely helped the Nuggs. It slowed down the game, allowing them to rest, but it also takes the fans out of the game. But you can’t say that the Blazers lost the game because of the refs. The Blazers had enough chances.
Rudy looked great, I thought for sure that he’d get the ball more at the end of the 4th. Luckily for the Nuggs he didn’t.

by NuggBuckets on Oct 30, 2009 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, I’ve had time to breathe.

And that’s we all need to do. Breathe.

How many teams start slowly, only to find their rhythm? San Antonio was 0-4 to start last year. Dallas struggled. The NBA is less about October/November and more about the spring. This is the time for us to form, see what players can do, and build.

-Rudy, wow. Can you please continue to be a threat off the dribble to draw free throws, finish at the rim, and hit the midrange jumper? Cool, thanks.

-Greg. Frustrating. He’s rebounding, playing defense, and getting in position on offense. Just gotta put the ball in the rim. It’ll come.

-Martell. Love his energy. His three point shot looks nice as always, his defense is spastic, and he just wants to play basketball.

-Joel… boy, Joel. You ain’t lookin’ so hot right now.

-Steve. ouch.

It was good to see Roy in a little rhythm as well. LMA was frustrating but this is what he does… struggles badly in first part of season. Meh.

Anyhoo, the negative is that we have no direction on offense. We’re setting poor picks, not dumping it into the post, and generally not playing to our strengths.

Let’s give it 20 games to form. I know that sounds horrible… but it’s the NBA and the team is learning how to play together. It’ll be a benefit in the long run, though it sucks for this season.

Free Bayless.

I really hope the games start streaming on Blazers.com soon.

If I had to term the present situation, it would have to be a series of unfortunate events.

by Cablinasian on Oct 30, 2009 1:27 AM PDT reply actions  

storming, norming, forming, performing

free bayless

by Cablinasian on Oct 30, 2009 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

contusion?

My team went to the playoffs in my first year.

by pxilpooshr on Oct 30, 2009 4:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly!

with every season actually! And with this roster I feel more than ok about that. good thoughts cablinasian. Now if only every oregonlive blogger felt the same way…

Sternocleidomastoid is by far the coolest muscle name.

by GoBlaze22 on Oct 30, 2009 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

As much as I hate to say it

The Nugs are an elite team,we will get there

by southern oregon on Oct 30, 2009 1:34 AM PDT reply actions  

I really would like to see Nate find ways for Roy and Dre to play cohesively together....

Rather than just plugging them into his same old boring system and hoping it works out. You just can’t have Andre spotting up for 3 while Roy is isolating. It really, really bothers me. He did the same thing with Sergio, and to a lesser extent, Bayless this preseason. I don’t really know what the answer is, I just know the what the answer isn’t. And the answer isn’t spotting up Miller for three. Over Dre’s last 3 years in Philly, he averaged .5 3pt attempts per game, so far on the blazers, he is averaging 2.5 3pt attempts per game. He is shooting the 3 ball 5 times as often on this team, and is still every bit as poor of a shooter as he has been his whole career. That is on Nate if you axe me. Dre isn’t Blake, quit trying to use him like he is…

by Rudiculous on Oct 30, 2009 1:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Nate's offense is designed for a good 3-pt shooter at PG to complement Roy.

One of our standard plays worked well tonight. Roy drove to draw the double coverage, swung the ball to LMA, who then swung the ball to a wide open Blake at the 3-pt line. Except it wasn’t Blake, it was Miller, and clang went the missed the 3-pt shot. Miller is taking entirely too many 3-pt shots in this offense (which means more than none). The offense has to change when Miller is in the game and that hasn’t happened yet.

Blake is also out of sync, either looking over his shoulder waiting for Miller to start, or just not adjusting to his shorter minutes in a new rotation. Right now we have the worst of two worlds at PG. Miller trying to fit into an offense designed for a spot up shooting PG with a coach that will never run, and Blake is out of sync pressing to do too much that isn’t in his normal game.

We’d have been better off tonight with Roy, Rudy, and Webster (guarding CA) coming down the stretch, and put Miller and Blake on the bench. Roy’s playing PG anyway (Miller had nothing to do but get in the way, and couldn’t guard anyone), Rudy was hot, and only Webster had any success at all with CA.

Nate’s rotation is a mess at this point trying to fit Roy, Miller, Blake, and Rudy together. Roy played 33 minutes on a night when he should have played 38 minutes. I thought Roy was sick or something when Nate pulled him out after just a couple minutes of PT in the 2nd quarter. At that stretch both Miller and Roy were out of the game (which should never happen) and Blake and Rudy were the guards.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Oct 30, 2009 3:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're right, but

Miller also played his game for a while, driving to the hoop and mostly missing. Neither one of them was clicking.

by Kaboomm on Oct 30, 2009 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Meh

I felt this loss coming all day. When Oden and Pryzbilla got into foul trouble early in the second half, that clinched it in my eyes. Speaking of those calls, the referees might as well have been paid to keep the game close. If they had, that’s exactly the calls that they would have made. All three of the calls were terrible.. called by referees that did not have the angle to see the play and the whistles were llate. Sure, the Blazers could have won the game, but I just lost interest after those three calls.

The Blazers were responsible for a lot of problems themselves, of course. I hope they address them. The coaching staff has their hands full.

by PoliSam on Oct 30, 2009 6:27 AM PDT reply actions  

my big complaint after attending game one

is that it seemed the referees are anticipating fouls, rather than calling what they see. Ref’s are stuck in pre-season form.

by blacknoiseNW on Oct 30, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

lies lies and more lies, epic total fail tonight..

no excuses greg failed us can’t hit a free throw if his life depended on it, can’t even back down a nene w/o getting stripped can put the ball on the floor, don’t have any post move that works, just big for nothing greg oden who can’t hit his free throws.

ok I got that out.

Let’’s suck it up and get back out there for the next one. 81-1 won’t sound so bad.

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by faith on Oct 30, 2009 6:46 AM PDT reply actions  

You can't just blame Greg

The team shot 34 percent. Only rebounds kept them in it at all. Only Webster and one or two others really had a good individual game.

by Kaboomm on Oct 30, 2009 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can blame anyone I darn well please, ....

didn’t say it was his fault … i’m just going to blame him.

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."

-Dave

by faith on Nov 4, 2009 5:15 AM PST up reply actions  

"Rudy basically did a tap dance on his head."

I read this as “Rudy basically did a lap dance on his head.” I was trying to figure out how that’s even possible.

by Kaboomm on Oct 30, 2009 7:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Early losses are sometimes scary

Cause it makes me worry about the rest of the season. Hopefully this will be the kick in the pants (or tossed chair in practice) that they need to get it going.

BTW – thanks for the great write-ups everyone! This site rules.

I get the paper, so I don't care!

by Name's Ash on Oct 30, 2009 7:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Offense offense offense

One or two passes, one on one and shot. That is a difficult way to win. Blazers need to move the ball and run some patterns on offense.

by goblazer1 on Oct 30, 2009 9:07 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Basketball 101.........

Basketball 101 tells us that there are a few things you can do to slow down a player who is on fire like Melo was last night.
#1. Try to make the entry pass to that player as difficult as possible.
#2. Try to make that players catch more difficult by making him work for his position.
#3. Double team said player to get the ball out of his hands.

Remember, this is basketball 101 we’re talking about here. Melo lit up the Blazers all night long because none of those 3 basic things were done. If he wanted a spot, he just walked right to it and there was the pass from Billups. I’m just saying that this early in the season there should be more energy than they showed on the defensive end.

2-4 the who

by 24thewho on Oct 30, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Martell

he was solid on #2

Miller/Blake/Roy should have done more #1

  1. is on Nate

Enjoy the Ride

by DigitalDaggers on Oct 30, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

the #3

is on Nate

sorrry for miss-type

Enjoy the Ride

by DigitalDaggers on Oct 30, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ya

I started to get a wee bit frustrated there in the 4th when Nate didn’t call for a double on Melo. Once a guy has 30+ points, its about time to make someone else beat you. The nugs did it to Roy on that last possession, Roy had to give it up, the ball ended up in Oden’s hands. Game over…

by Rudiculous on Oct 30, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

Dave, I greatly appreciate your measured words following a Blazer game — never more so than after a tough loss. Thanks for the intelligence and the perspective.

My main concern right now is that a few of our players look like they lack self-confidence, and it seems as though Nate’s rotation/substitution patterns are possibly exacerbating that problem. This may be unavoidable, however.

As you say, this game might usefully serve as a wake up call. Let’s hope so.

by CatMan2 on Oct 30, 2009 9:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Looking at the box score

i notice that the Blazer’s net score while Fernandez and LA were in the game were high negatives. And I think this explains what was wrong with the Blazers offense.

First, there was no effort to bring LA to the low post and feed him the ball and that made the Blazaer offense stagnant.

Second, when Rudy did get the ball he either was not ready to catch and release or it was very deep into the clock so he had to hurry his shots.

Clearly the emphasis on defense in the preseason has been at the expense of offensive cohesiveness.

by 7677maniac on Oct 30, 2009 12:15 PM PDT reply actions  

LMA and free throws

you guys couldnt be more right. He plays so finesse it is unbearable. Last night he had a clear lane to the hoop and he layed it up softly and almost missed. A dunk is a momentum play just throw it down when u have a clear lane.
   I thought that free throws decided that game. Sure Denver missed, but they made all of them when they counted. Brandon made 1 0f 2 and LMA made 1 of 2 in the last 2 minutes and than of course greg missed his 2 so we were 2 of 6in the clutch. I believe carmelo and chaumcey billups combined 8-8 from the line in the last 2 minutes

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by flynn4blazers on Oct 30, 2009 3:24 PM PDT reply actions  

I have been saying all along that Martell

is an awesome defender. Man, I hate it when people say things like “I have been saying all along…..”
I have read a couple of things questioning Martells defense though, hmmmmm….. ;-)

by zersrule on Oct 31, 2009 9:55 AM PDT reply actions  

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