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Media Row Report: Blazers 96, Rockets 87

Tonight's game could serve as exhibit 1A for those who dismiss the preseason as meaningless.  

Many things we saw during the preseason -- offense from Greg Oden, dominant stretches from LaMarcus Aldridge, a passive Brandon Roy, a clueless Travis Outlaw -- disappeared into thin air.  Other things missing during the preseason -- team defensive effort, cohesive play from the second unit, an under-control Martell Webster -- suddenly appeared.  Other than reports of problems with the Blazers.com online stream -- with multiple fans demanding a refund due to choppy video play, lack of audio and a host of other problems -- it was a positive opening night for the Blazers thanks to solid game plan execution on both ends.  

A 20 point second half lead withered to single digits thanks to a hot-shooting 4th quarter from the Rockets, but Portland wound up victorious over Houston 96 to 87 in the Rose Garden.  

The Blazers weren't truly tested.  To put it bluntly: the Rockets are not an overly talented or overly deep group.  They compete hard because they have to.  Tonight they competed hard and still got drilled.  The Rockets looked like exactly what they are, a team missing three dependable scoring options.  The Blazers did a much-better-than-expected job of containing Luis Scola and, despite giving up regular penetration to Aaron Brooks, made life difficult by committing to their defensive rotations and helping aggressively from the weakside. With no real, hot shooters to spread the floor for the Rockets, seven Blazers managed a blocked shot, many coming from behind the play on shooters who thought they were single-covered.  

The team defense tonight roughly resembled what Nate McMillan promised at the beginning of training camp, guards looking to pinch angles when the ball was moved out to the wings and quickly closing out when the ball was swung from side to side.  It wasn't perfect, but it was leaps and bounds above anything the Blazers showed during the preseason. The Blazers held the Rockets to 37 percent shooting, just 28 percent from distance, and won the rebounding differential by nearly 20 (51-33), grabbing 39 defensive rebounds.   All numbers Nate will be happy with.

The obvious red flag: 26 turnovers.  Last year's high for the entire year was 23 in a February loss to the Golden State Warriros.  All 9 Blazers that played committed at least one turnover; Greg Oden led the way with 7. Oden's miscues were so regular in the second half that Kevin Pelton took to databasing games looking for a similar combination of scoring impotence, rebounding prowess and ball-handling sloppiness.  Needless to say, there weren't many comparables.

As Nate commented succintly during his post-game session: "That's probably the last game we win with 26 turnovers."  In theory, yes, but this group has every characteristic that you need to overcome that kind of night: a significant talent advantage, outside shooters, offensive rebounders, good ball movement (23 assists on 33 field goals), etc.  For most teams, on most nights, 26 turnovers is a deal breaker.  For the Blazers tonight, it was an after-thought.  Kind of crazy to write that.

A few of the major storylines and post-game conversations...

Greg Oden

With the Rose Garden (nearly) full, the television cameras rolling, all four local television stations in the house, and the games counting, Greg Oden played nervously.  Period.  Frustratingly so.  He got called for offensive fouls, had the ball poked out of his hands, threw a bad pass, traveled, the list goes on.  It was unfortunate to see because, in most people's minds, his solid preseason offensively (which no one saw) gets wiped away just like that.  

But after the game, Greg "Giggles" Oden seemed more concerned about whether fashion paragon Jerryd Bayless approved of Oden's unusual aviator-esque sport coat than he did about his offensive struggles.  For the record, Bayless didn't approve, prompting LaMarcus Aldridge to jump to Greg's defense, joking that Oden's one-of-a-kind jacket was "Changing the game!" This cut everybody up, Oden included.

When asked, Oden admitted that he was subject to opening night jitters.  "But it's the first game of the season, everybody has nerves."  As if to remind himself, he continued, "You can't get nervous every game, you have to go out there and play and be ready." Oden went on to describe feeling differently on offense and defense. "Tonight it was a lot easier [to play with confidence] on defense."  His reason for playing with confidence on defense surprised me. "I thought it was all of us playing help side, playing with a lot of energy," Oden told me. "Helping each other. It was good for all of us. One guy comes over, gets a help side block, you know all those guys see how excited everyone gets, how it brings up the energy of the team."

That answer was quite revealing.  First, it reinforces that Oden grasps the team's defensive principles and buys in.  I hadn't questioned that but, in a mess of fouls and weird mismatches against smaller players, that can get lost.  Second it seemed to hint that Oden feels like he's part of a unit on defense whereas he might not have been part of a unit on offense.  Indeed, it felt like the Blazers forced it awkwardly to Oden when posting him up and his catches were further from the basket than you would like (Credit Houston's defense).  The ball moved for the Blazers but it didn't seem to move to Oden, he wasn't making catches on the move, he wasn't making catches in space, the easy finishes that were prevalent all preseason (and so necessary to get him going) were simply not there. Rather than find new ways to get Oden involved, the team reverted to what it's more comfortable with: hitting jumpshots, getting Brandon Roy to the free throw line, and allowing Travis Outlaw to get his own shot.  Those things worked tonight swimmingly and Oden's offensive struggles were rendered irrelevant.  

Over the course of 82 games, it will be interesting to see if the team continues with this strategy.  Oden seemed perfectly fine finishing with 2 points, 12 rebounds and 5 blocks.  And for that, despite the sloppy play, you've got to love him if you are Blazers coach or management.

Roy, Miller and Blake

Nate McMillan acknowledged during the post-game session that he more or less was winging it when it came to his rotation.  A number of factors influenced this: Nic Batum's absence, Martell Webster's first regular season game back, Travis Outlaw's strong play on both ends, and Rudy Fernandez's fatigue after coming back from some time off due to back spasms. That left the Blazers playing some interesting lineups: Blake, Roy and Miller saw time together, even late in the fourth quarter.  Roy's response to the question about that trio, a group I can't remember seeing together during the preseason, was also quite interesting. Roy told me, "It worked fine for me. I'll play just about anywhere. The biggest adjustment is probably going to come from [Blake and Miller] a little bit, just when I have the basketball [they're] playing off the ball.  Two point guards off the ball. We'll learn it. We'll figure it out."

The sense from Roy when discussing his playing with Miller seems to be a one way street.  Things revolve around Roy. The ball is in Roy's hands.  Other players need to know their spacing in relation to Roy.  Ballhandlers will not handle the ball and will instead play off the ball.  Roy speaks honestly about these things and I believe his statements reflect not only his own point of view, but Nate McMillan's as well.  McMillan has also stated repeatedly that the ball goes to Roy late in games and everyone else works off of that.  

It's funny, though, that Roy seems to have a blind spot in relation to how that strategy worked (or failed to work) in the playoffs.  Stagnant, ugly, forced play was often the result.  

For the time being, expecting other players to "play off him" protects Roy's status quo: he likely continues to be paired with Blake, he continues to get maximum touches, and he continues to do what he does best, score and create.  But is sticking so firmly to this philosophy the best long-term and post-season strategy? Is there a better, hybrid approach that more actively includes Miller late in games? 

That's a top question I'll track as the season develops.

The Lineup Who Finishes

The saying has been, "It's not who starts but who finishes," right?  Well, guess who finished the game?

Steve Blake not Andre Miller.  

McMillan subbed Miller out with roughly 2 minutes to play putting Oden in for a slightly bigger closing lineup.  Aside from the positive sign of getting Oden some run during late-game minutes that really counted (Oden responded with his only bucket of the game in the final minute), the move showed a continued comfort level with the game in Blake's hands.  When asked about the move to keep Blake over Miller, Roy told me, "I think Coach wanted to go that last two minutes with the lineup he was comfortable with, the lineup he felt we were comfortable with, just trying to secure the win."  

Indeed, one can make a strong case for playing Steve Blake over Andre Miller when protecting a lead.  Blake shoots the ball better and he is a less risky player.  Generally speaking, he can hit his free throws too (tonight he missed one of two when fouled late).  Roy did go out of his way not to exclude Miller from late-game scenarios, though, telling me, "Dre came in and gave us some big baskets, especially in that fourth quarter. He's going to be a big part of what we do."  The answer was generic -- and accurate -- but nice to hear from Roy as it seems to signal an open mind about how the closing lineups might come together.  It appears from both his substitutions and his post-game comments that McMillan has not yet made any firm decisions on this front. Another very interesting thing to track. For example, will McMillan opt for Miller over Blake when trying to mount a late-game comeback? 

Outlaw

Hats off to Travis Outlaw. The shot was falling. The effort was there on defense.  The mental mistakes were reduced.  If any single player flipped a switch tonight, it was Outlaw.  After enduring a bunch of criticism from fans during the preseason, Outlaw had his night tonight.  Batum's absence requires much more from Outlaw and, as we know from his "get paid like out of this world" summer declaration, he's on board with that.  

Positive indicators across the board tonight.  Consistency is the name of the game.

Tonight's Random Interaction with an NBA Player

On the way to the team bus after the loss, Trevor Ariza was moving arduously, taking slow step after slow step, as if weighted down by the road loss.

He looked over as I rushed by and, to break the silence, I offered the first thought that came into my head, "Nice Dre Headphones!"

Ariza replied, quietly, "Thank you."

You can now forgive him for fouling Rudy Fernandez last year.

The Line of the Night

Grabbing a Gatorade from the locker room fridge, Hersey Hawkins smiled and said aloud, "We're tied for first place." 

Indeed. We shared a chuckle.  What's next, Hawk, "82-0!!!!"

It's nice to have the first one out of the way, for everybody.  

Nate's Postgame Comments

First game

I saw some good stuff. We did a good job of running our offense and defensively trying to control this team. Other than the turnovers, we fouled early, which they marched to the free throw line in that first quarter. After that we made our adjustments, we kept them off the line, 26 turnovers, you're not going to win... that's probably the last game we win with 26 turnovers. We had control of the game and we lost the ball and turned it over and they were able to create some points off of that.

Defense in first half

It's still a work in progress with our guys. That's a commitment. Defensively, getting involved in the game on the defensive end of the floor, not the offensive end of the floor.  Some teams have a tendency, offensive players want to see that ball go in the basket before they get into the game. We want to change that thought process this year and get into the game on the defensive end of the floor. I thought our guys did that. Early we got into foul trouble. That second group came in, made some adjustments, didn't turn the ball over and was able to create some points off some misses.

Travis

Thought it was good. I wanted to get him in at that four position, he had his shot going tonight. Defensively I thought he did some good things, working hard on the defensive end of the floor. Playing the 3 and the 4. We'll be able to use him like that. We'll be able to score as long as we play defense. I thought that group came in and forced some misses and was able to get out and get some easy baskets.

Nic's Absence

We have a lot of guys that we'll rotate. Tonight I didn't know exactly how that rotation would go. A couple of times we had Blake and Miller and Brandon on the floor and that wasn't a bad lineup. Miller and Rudy and Travis and Martell on the floor was a pretty good lineup. We just want to go in and outwork teams. Keep the pressure on for 48 minutes. 

Rudy handling the ball

He wasn't at point, we just move him around. We move him around and give him the ball some. Miller was at the point when he was in the game. We will mix it up and give him some opportunities to handle the ball. He was a little fatigued, his wind, his conditioning, he h asn't played in over a week, he got winded, turned the ball over once or twice but I like what I saw today.

Greg Oden

He got in foul trouble. Those guys are small but they are good defenders. They are smart defenders. Hayes, Scola, Landry, they do a nice job, they baited our bigs. Our bigs I thought rushed at times, turned the ball over. That will come. We got a good opportunity to look at some film tomorrow, look at how that team played us and a lot of our turnovers came on our bigs. They'll learn. 

Second Unit

We'll see. I didn't know exactly how I was going to rotate tonight. [Andre] came in and I thought the tempo was exactly what I was hoping for with that group. Rudy, Travis, Joel, I got Martell back in the lineup with that group. They forced some turnovers, some quick shots, got some steals, were able to turn that into points. That was a 31 point quarter and it started when that group came into the game.

Offense

You have some options. Tonight we let Miller run the group when he was out there. Rudy had the ball a little bit. Brandon. We couldn't get anything going in the paint so we ran Martell off some screens. He was able to make Battier work. We have some options, as long as we defend, we'll find a way to score. Because we have some guys that we can go to. We just gotta commit to defending this year and we'll eventually find a way to score.

Turnovers

I thought it was ok. Brooks is quick, does a good job. They pounded us in the paint, a lot of that came from turnovers. Other than that we did a good job of recovering, getting out to their shooters, they didn't hurt us there and we take care of the ball. 26 turnovers is a lot of turnovers. My goodness. We take care of the ball I think the score is a lot different.

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

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after some late night studying for a midterm tomorrow

I got the pleasure of catching my favorite post game reads. Great job as usual. Can’t wait for our team to start clicking a little more, it will be scary to watch a game like this turn into a 30 point blow out with jerryd bayless in for the entire 4 th quarter. Great open to a season though.

"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life,(of the Blazers), (of KP's madness), of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity." - Albert Einstein

by BlazerandBeaverBELIEVER on Oct 28, 2009 1:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Don't ya just love college?

Definitely in the same boat with you here, lol…

Dave's Keys to the Season: "GREG ODEN SMASH!!!!!!"

by Jeremiah S on Oct 28, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah me too.

Jeremiah, do you know Katy Hampton?? She’s a freshman at UP. I went to high school with her.

Orrrr do you know Reed Homan? He’s also a freshman.

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by CaptainSexyJacob on Oct 28, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

The atmosphere at the RG was electric in the 2nd quarter

Sorry I didn’t make it down to find ya but I didn’t get to the arena til like 5 minutes to tipoff… Barely had time to get to my seats before they started calling the lineups!

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Oct 28, 2009 1:50 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

thanks!

it seemed to hint that Oden feels like he’s part of a unit on defense whereas he might not have been part of a unit on offense. Indeed, it felt like the Blazers forced it awkwardly to Oden when posting him up and his catches were further from the basket than you would like.

Exactly. Portland needs to make a commitment to integrating Oden in to the offense. Don’t want to constantly return to the Miller/Roy: a tale of two offenses theme, but I can see why people say that Miller will more effectively feed Oden. That first unit has no flow/sense of rhythm with the pass. So when Oden does get the ball in there, it feels like the timing is off. And why not try an iso? Twice, I think Oden got the ball in a bad spot and was stripped by a cutter’s man.

But is sticking so firmly to this philosophy in the best long-term and post-season strategy? Is there a better way? An even better, hybrid approach that more actively includes Miller late in games? That’s a top question I’ll track as the season develops.

Thank you for this, Ben. Makes me feel less like a lunatic on the fringe for asking this question myself. That half court Roy dominated offense seems so limited to me.

by Blazin' on Oct 28, 2009 2:11 AM PDT reply actions  

That sort of sums up how I feel about our offense.

08-09 offense with 09-10 players. It’s early in the season, I want to see how the Blazers develop this season. I’m not too optimistic considering McMillan’s coaching history. Hopefully the players will force his hand.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Oct 28, 2009 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

i actually found myself

hoping for scoring when the dynamic offense is on the floor, and for misses when the “one on five squad” is out there doing the “Portland.”

Because I believe Portland’s best chance for success long term is to abandon that hideous offense.

by Blazin' on Oct 28, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

You want it to be a certain way, so maybe you see it more often

It might be time to seriously re-evaluate your position given that you just said about wanting certain offenses to succeed. It’s possible that you simply want to be right.

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by hobobob on Oct 28, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I am wrong,

believe me, I would love to know it. It would make watching the Blazers much more enjoyable if I thought their offense was not going to doom them to a series of early playoff exits.

But the only defense I have heard of Nates offense is “54 wins” and “efficiency.” I have not heard a good defense of it in the context of last years playoffs.

As for rooting against the success of that offense, I think the sooner we change, the better. But a comment like that is bound to arouse the “open-minded” types.

by Blazin' on Oct 28, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

The fallacy is that it is a "fact" that Nate's offense caused the first round exit

youth …inexperience…poor execution…Bad 1st game..poor match up…all could be just as likely a cause as “Nate’s offense”. 1 example of a first round exit playing that style of ball is an awfully small sample size

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Oct 28, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I totally agree

We were up against the best defensive team in the West. If we’d faced any other matchup, we’d be talking about defense being the problem.

I think the Blazers do need to get Oden and Miller more involved, but offense is not whats going to doom the Blazers to early playoff exits. Its defense unless it gets a lot better than it has been in the past.

by jksnake99 on Oct 28, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

It’s the reason we lost in the playoffs and the thing we need most to improve.

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by hobobob on Oct 28, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree its what we most need to improve

I do think the Blazer fans that say offense lost us that series are correct though— the Blazers did not play well offensively. Up for debate is how much that had to do with Houston, how much it had to do with our role players just having a bad 6 game stretch of shooting, and how much had to do with our offense not being one that will work in the playoffs.

With such a small sample size, its hard to separate out those factors, but I tend to lean more toward giving credit to Houston.

In terms of what we need to improve overall, I take more out of the 82 game sample size than the 6 game sample size— our D needs to be a lot better than it was last year.

by jksnake99 on Oct 28, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I tend to lean more toward giving credit to Houston.

Houston was a bad matchup for Portland, everyone agrees about that. I “called” the series 4-2 Rockets before the tipoff of game 1, based on the two team’s regular season head-to-head matchups

And of course, Yao was a huge difference, he neutralized the Blazer centers regular-season rebounding advantage by “occupying” Joel and Greg. This swung the “battle of the boards” in Houston’s favor (LMA/Frye/Outlaw = soft, sorry but if the truth hurts, suck it up and learn from it)

But to say that Houston was the only team that could’ve given the Blazer’s late-game ISO offense fits in the post season is shortsighted. Fact is, every playoff team is going to be better defensively in the playoffs when compared to what Portland faced during the regular season. In the post season, there’s more time to prepare for the same opponent. There’s more time for the veteran players to rest during the games and in-between games (no back-to-backs, etc) Exploiting mis-matches becomes more important, so does making adjustments to what the opponent is “taking away”

I think Nate did “OK” in these areas as the series advanced, but game 1 and game 6 were disasters. How much of it was the Blazer players “not being ready” and how much of it was the Rocket’s coaching staff having their players “more prepared” is a debate that no amount of “regular season stats” will ever decide. I just know that I don’t want to watch a repeat performance—I want Portland to get over—next time.

So, if by adding Miller to “diversify” the offense and replacing “softness” with toughness in the frontcourt KP can help Nate and the kids do that, then hey—that’s what he’s getting paid to do as GM

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Oct 28, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

nothing about facts here.

Where do you get that? All opinion as far as I’m concerned.

But you watched that series. It wasn’t about execution. Our defense was adequate. Of course it could always be better. But our offense was shut down. By shutting Brandon down. And we had no response, tactically. It was like hitting our head against a brick wall. again and again. I am not alone in this opinion.

Is it so strange that I thought signing Miller was a response to this problem? So, yes, I am frustrated that 5 months later we come out against Houston and bang our heads against the same wall. (And so I bang my head against this wall!) ;).

by Blazin' on Oct 28, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

The quotation of the word "fact" wasn't meant to be literal

rather a little jab at the tone of these and other comments. I am well aware… that you are aware..that I am aware of the fact that it is a of course …opinion …I think

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Oct 28, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

A couple of things

1. Our D wasn’t really adequate …it was a pick yer poison type of deal…Yao scores …or Scola scores…we picked Scola and got beat (however I think that series was a lot closer than people are making it out to be…replay game one and the good guys probably win that series)

and 2. Brandon wasn’t shut down….they couldn’t do it…if anything everyone but Brandon and LMA got shut down…box scores seem to bear this out

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Oct 28, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

our defense was adequate in that series if you look at defensive efficiency.

everyone but Brandon and LMA were shut down because this was their game plan. Look at the offensive efficiency for that series… it was WAY below our season average. Houston is a good defensive team that keyed on our isolation basketball and was content to let Roy score as many points on average efficiency as he wanted.

I really hope the games start streaming on Blazers.com soon.

If I had to term the present situation, it would have to be a series of unfortunate events.

by Cablinasian on Oct 28, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your points are accurate and well taken

but again, you have to consider the matchup. Houston was an elite defensive team and a mediocre offensive team, so of course our offensive efficiency would be way below our season average and our defense appeared adequate.

Against any other matchup, save for the Spurs, the complaints would have been about our D.

Your points about our offense are still accurate though.

by jksnake99 on Oct 28, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really, though, the teams we'd end up playing were all elite defensive teams

Even if we miss Houston, the top 6 teams in Defensive rating last year were Orlando, Boston, Cleveland, Houston, San Antonio and LA. Obviously SA would have been a different story because they were decimated by injuries, but if they were healthy, there’s no way we could have made it through the playoffs without playing at least 2 of those teams.

Yeah, Houston was a great defensive team, but unless we’re going to be perenially happy with just making the second round, they’re pretty much par for the course as far as playoff defenses go.

by Royster on Oct 28, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agreed, I just think it's a fallacy

to say that our offense wasn’t necessarily a problem because the Rockets were an elite defensive team. To win a title, we’re going to have to make it through 2 to 3 teams as good as the Rockets defensively, so it’s not like those problems are going to go away. Essentially the same thing that happened to LeBron in the ECF happened to Roy in the first round, the Cavs just lucked out by the virtue of their seed and conference to not play one of the many elite defensive teams until the conference finals.

by Royster on Oct 28, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, 54 wins, efficiency and the most points scored per possession of any team in the NBA

A small sample size of 6 games against an elite defense isn’t reason enough to panic about the Blazers’ offense, nor is last night’s turnover fest.

Believe me, I’m 100% in favor of making better use of Oden and Miller, but last year’s playoffs was about great defense by Houston and our shooters— particularly Outlaw and Rudy throwing up brick after brick.

by jksnake99 on Oct 28, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

certain types of offenses simply get eaten up in playoff series. Any good defensive team knows how to beat an isolation-heavy offense. This is an example where the offense is effective in the regular season but is unlikely to be as effective in a series format.

I really hope the games start streaming on Blazers.com soon.

If I had to term the present situation, it would have to be a series of unfortunate events.

by Cablinasian on Oct 28, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm still not convinced it won't work in the playoffs

I’ve seen isolation work in the playoffs too many times to be convinced by that. This was a case of going against a defense that matches up extremely well against the Blazers and the Blazers role players laying eggs.

We certainly could use a more creative offense for when we find ourselves in that situation again, but I reject the idea that isolation doesn’t work in the playoffs. Don’t try to tell me Boston didn’t run isolation for Pierce on their way to the title. The primary difference? Boston was a out of this world defensive team.

by jksnake99 on Oct 28, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok, there is isolation and then there is what Blazin’ is really annoyed by.

From what I understand, he’s annoyed because Roy will get the ball in an offensive flow and stop the offense. Offense is gaining advantages through passing, beating your man off the dribble, drawing double teams, etc. As each pass is made, the offense gains a little edge, a split-second. The goal is for the offense to finally beat the defense wtih every player acting as soon as the get the ball.

Roy’s bad habit is completely stopping offensive flow when we have something go, slowing it down to a crawl and asking for a pick. He got better at this during the end of last year but he’s really, really stifling the offensive flow right now. It’s incredibly annoying and allows the defense to reset.

I understand going isolation, but it should be used in the correct context: when there is no advantage gained from plays and it’s the best option. Stopping the offense to set up isolation when the ball is moving is incredibly frustrating.

Also, I think the defense feeds from the offense. When everyone is involved, touching the ball, passing it, playing a team game… the defensive intensity and general gameplay picks up. We can’t let Oden touch the ball once in the second quarter and expect him to carry us on defense. Offense and defense are intertwined.

I really hope the games start streaming on Blazers.com soon.

If I had to term the present situation, it would have to be a series of unfortunate events.

by Cablinasian on Oct 28, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok
Roy’s bad habit is completely stopping offensive flow when we have something go, slowing it down to a crawl and asking for a pick. He got better at this during the end of last year but he’s really, really stifling the offensive flow right now. It’s incredibly annoying and allows the defense to reset.

Right now? You mean last night? I agree the offense was bad last night and that’s significantly on Roy. Are you arguing that Roy hurt the offense last year? If so, I can’t go along with that.

I’m all for both Oden and Miller handling the ball more though.

by jksnake99 on Oct 28, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

+ 92

That made Roy sound like Zach Randolph

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Oct 28, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

c’mon now. We all know that Roy isn’t Zbo… but he does tend to slow down the offensive flow a little bit. Despite this, he’s a very efficient player and we have an efficient offense. We just have the ability to be so much more. Fluid offensive basketball that focuses on ball movement is an incredible joy to watch.

I really hope the games start streaming on Blazers.com soon.

If I had to term the present situation, it would have to be a series of unfortunate events.

by Cablinasian on Oct 28, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure ...

…and we saw a bit of that last night after the 1st sub out….however …that motion stuff isn’t the end all be all…it should be just a facet …facet that should get better as the year goes along

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Oct 28, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

all I’m asking for is balance.

Also, the motion driven offense looked pretty darn good in the second quarter, didn’t it?

I really hope the games start streaming on Blazers.com soon.

If I had to term the present situation, it would have to be a series of unfortunate events.

by Cablinasian on Oct 28, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

PS ....see Jake's quote for why I mention the zbo comment

and see if you don’t see what i mean

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The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Oct 28, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

A lot of times we’ll be swinging the ball and Brandon will slow it down and wait for a pick. I’m not sure how this point can be argued.

How is that like Zbo? His problem was that he didn’t pass. Brandon just needs to flow a little bit better. Very minor problem.

I really hope the games start streaming on Blazers.com soon.

If I had to term the present situation, it would have to be a series of unfortunate events.

by Cablinasian on Oct 28, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m saying that the team needs to adapt to 09-10 personnel. Roy was our best option last year. We have the ability with Miller and Oden to create an even more dynamic, crisp offense.

To stick with everything the same as last year with a good offensive point guard and offensive center would be wasteful.

I really hope the games start streaming on Blazers.com soon.

If I had to term the present situation, it would have to be a series of unfortunate events.

by Cablinasian on Oct 28, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I more or less agree

I think its premature to say we have a good offensive center though, except for ORebs. The preseason was encouraging and we certainly need to get Oden more touches, but I don’t know if we can call him a good offensive Center unless we are referring to Orebs.

I’m as big a proponent as anyone of involving Miller and Oden. To me, that’s on Nate and not Roy though. We’ll see if it gets better. Last night was 1 game.

by jksnake99 on Oct 28, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's partially on Roy

He forced so many things last night.
He was frustrated and tried to take over and just kept missing shots.

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by CaptainSexyJacob on Oct 28, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks Cab!

exactly.

I’m loyal to Portland. And I will pull for this team regardless. I am just processing the realization that tactically speaking, little has changed from last year.

by Blazin' on Oct 28, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, remember we lost game 3 by 4 points, and game 4 by 1 point.

One or two defensive stops, one to two scores, or one or two foul calls, would have won those games. Despite a youthful flop in game 1, and a bad plan for game 6, we were very much “in” that series for 4 of the 6 games. If you are rooting against our team, then go find another team. Frankly, Andre looked great in the second quarter, but was playing against the Rocket’s bench, and what no Miller supporter will likely admit, is that we almost gave that 20 point lead up while he was in, in the fourth quarter, and that’s why Nate put Blake back in to seal the game, more for defense than offense.

Miller and Blake are on the same team. I’m rooting for both to do the things they do best to win games with a championship as the goal. We are lucky to have such a team in this town with these two talented point guards, and it doesn’t matter who starts, or finishes as long as we win. I can assure you Nate’s biggest concern is how he can use these guys to beat other teams, not make it onto the Sportscenter highlight reel. Golden State is really fun to watch, but they ain’t going nowhere’. They can use extra fans if Portland doesn’t win with enough flash for some.

I think a lot of complaints about the offense are based more on style than actual production. I agree that Roy in the fourth is too predictable, and Andre can help with that, but more than that, Roy just needs to make a pass sometimes. He needs to develop the judgement to know when to move the ball rather than try to beat a double team. The fact that he can beat a double team is why he gets the big bucks, so the next level for him is knowing when to trust a teammate who has a better shot.

Speaking of good shots, Outlaw was killing it last night, and playing good defense. It shows the coach might know more than 99% of us commenting on BE. I don’t know if Outlaw will keep it up, but he has the tools, and if he plays that way, he is our best SF. I have been as critical of him as anyone, but I also have never taken his talent and potential for granted, nor have I understood the vitriol spouted about him or Blake for not being what some fans want. It seems like some fans would be happier if we had the “ballers” of OKC, rather than a winning franchise that gets “boring” wins. I find the games exciting at least.

by wingzeta on Oct 28, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

remember we lost game 3 by 4 points, and game 4 by 1 point.

No one should forget this, especially the 4th quarter of game 4 when Portland had a double-digit lead and got outscrapped 11-2 for loose balls and rebounds. The series was one “stop” away from a game 7 back in PDX

no Miller supporter will likely admit, is that we almost gave that 20 point lead up while he was in, in the fourth quarter, and that’s why Nate put Blake back in to seal the game, more for defense than offense.

This is a good point, but was Andre’s defense the reason why the lead shrunk, or was it because Joel and Greg were both on the bench, with foul trouble? Perimeter defense is tougher to maintain when there’s no threat of a shot blocker roaming the paint. A #3 “emergency” center would be a nice addition to the roster for the post season

I don’t know if Outlaw will keep it up, but he has the tools, and if he plays that way, he is our best SF

Sure you know if Outlaw can “keep it up” if you’ve been watching him play for the last 6 years. No, he’s not the team’s best SF, Nate doesn’t even call him a 3, he plays Travis against less-mobile PFs where he has a quickness advantage. This comes in handy, when Outlaw’s shot is falling. (But it wasn’t as helpful in the 4th quarter of game 4, last April…)

Think playoffs, that’s when the roster’s configuration will matter the most. Regular season success/stats are for non-contending players to point at with pride, when it’s time to negotiate their next contract

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by two4larue on Oct 29, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

?????
i actually found myself hoping for scoring when the dynamic offense is on the floor, and for misses when the "one on five squad" is out there doing the "Portland."

Because I believe Portland’s best chance for success long term is to abandon that hideous offense.

Sounds almost like I don’t care if we lose as long as I am right to me…

by Ilikeemall on Oct 28, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

One game!!!...

and we already know that little has changed from last year and…

He got better at this during the end of last year but he’s really, really stifling the offensive flow right now. It’s incredibly annoying and allows the defense to reset.

ONE GAME and Roy is not only really…but really, really stiffling the offense right now?!?!

Sorry but I just don’t get it! One game and we are destined to fail offensively because Roy is … yadda yadda yadda… fill in the blanks with whatever weakness you percieve…

Did nothing good come from this game? Is it unacceptable to be a fan that is willing to let the results of the games be the judge of performance?

For cryin outdoors we WON… Did you really expect the Blazers to have an all new offense showcasing Miller with the ball and Roy working without it in the FIRST game of the season?

AYE CARUMBA

GO BLAZERS!!!

by Ilikeemall on Oct 28, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

My thoughts as well

The offense with Blake and Roy as the backcourt was very stagnant at times and relied almost exclusively on jumpers or Brandon driving with little time left on the shot clock. This will work in the regular season to the tune of roughly 50 or so wins, but we’ve all seen how a good defensive team will deal with this in the playoffs. Heck, even a limited Rockets made it close in the 4th. I hope Brandon and Nate realize that Miller should start/the bigs should be more involved sooner than later, even thought Roy will ned to sacrifice a bit on offense.

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by blazeraddict on Oct 28, 2009 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't Rush to judgment

Brandon may have had 20 points, but he still looked out of sync. I’d give him two weeks before you make any judgments regarding the offense.

Having the second unit be as good as it is now means that a lineup of Miller, Pryz, Outlaw, Rudy and Aldridge/Webster/Roy might be going against the second unit of every team they play.

While I’m not saying that the second unit should be starting, ther are definitely going to come up big against just about every bench in the league!

We will be able to expand out leads while our starters rest.

by Anim8rguy on Oct 28, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats the point

I don’t think people are rushing to judgement, in that we watched Portland struggle against good teams all last season with this offense, and question why they have don’t more to expand it during the offseason. I agree with a lot of the posters, in that that status qu isolation offense will have limited sucess in the playoffs.

by MotoMan045 on Oct 28, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Andre Miller needs to start

I hope people can see that now. He didn’t have his best game, but he is still a far superior PG. And Roy needs to learn to play with Miller, even if he finds it difficult. Because in the long run that’s what will be best for the team.

by el_flaco on Oct 28, 2009 2:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Let me fix that for you

And Roy Miller needs to learn to play with Miller Roy, even if he finds it difficult.

by tominhawaii on Oct 28, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

On the contrary, Miller should look to set up the big men because unless our big men start getting inside buckets

It’ll be a repeat of 2008-2009. I don’t buy into the fantasy that Roy has to be God in order for this team to succeed.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Oct 28, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well I don't get how only one player has to adjust to the other, not much teamwork there

I would be very disappointed if Miller made no adjustments to play with Roy.

by tominhawaii on Oct 28, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I actually think that's a valid point

(and i say that because you’re never serious)

I’ve only seen clips of the game so far, but saw Miller charge in like he was Roy for shots instead of looking for the pass. On the one hand I like the aggression, on the other hand it felt like he failed to recognize there were better/other players and options on the court.

Reality is that there’s going to be adjustment and conflict until the pecking order and plays run smoothly. Turkey glue would have been a much smoother acquisition although paid FAR too much and I’m still glad we were saved from a contract nightmare. I would have preferred the player, but not the cost.

The season is early, and there’s plenty of time to work it all out. One thing is clear though, it needs to be worked out.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Oct 28, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

A question of rhythm.

Andre and Rudy understand innately that you attack by creating a rhythm with passing and movement. That rhythm enables your team to flow together to create opportunity. It gets the defense moving at a certain tempo too that can then be broken down by a change in rhythm or direction.

But it only takes one person in the chain to break the rhythm. And that’s why Brandon has to adapt to Miller. Because he resets the whole offense whenever he is passed the ball, eliminating any opportunity or advantage that Miller created.

Miller can adapt to Roy. He has. That just means that he pulls himself out of the play and stands to the side waiting for Brandon to need help. So when people talk about one adapting to the other, it really should be a question of how to play offense period.

This should not be a question of ego. But Brandon is a young mega-star, and that is a reality. But, in the end, a return to his off-ball ways would free him up. He and nate just need to let go of that stranglehold.

by Blazin' on Oct 28, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

All I’m saying is both guys have to adjust. One thing Miller could do is practice hitting the corner 3 for a week or so and he could totally take Blake’s job. Game on the line, the ball will be in Roy’s hands, not in Millers.

by tominhawaii on Oct 28, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

A week??!!

He is 33 years old…..it should only take a day or two

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The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Oct 28, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He has to be really open

as evidenced by his made 3 pointer last night…..flat flat footed set shot

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The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Oct 28, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you make a good point

there definitely needs to be a better flow.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Oct 28, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

Roy can continue to be the point guard in the half-court sets, but he should be able to hit the roll off the pick just as much as going to the hoop or pulling up for a J. Right now – hitting the big man on the way to the basket is the big hole in Roy’s game.

by blacknoiseNW on Oct 28, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is the feeling I've got since Miller joined the team :re: Roy's perspective;
It’s funny, though, that Roy seems to have a blind spot in relation to how that strategy worked (or failed to work) in the playoffs. Stagnant, ugly, forced play was often the result.

Hmmmm….yes…last season’s playoff’s…just as you say…ugly…

For the time being, expecting other players to “play off him” protects Roy’s status quo: he likely continues to be paired with Blake, he continues to get maximum touches, and he continues to do what he does best, score and create. But is sticking so firmly to this philosophy the best long-term and post-season strategy? Is there a better, hybrid approach that more actively includes Miller late in games?

That’s a top question I’ll track as the season develops.

Please do track the question[s] at hand Ben. Dog it.

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Oct 28, 2009 3:21 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Exactly

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by blazeraddict on Oct 28, 2009 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ben, given that you talk to the team...

could you make that one of your questions from press row?

Brandon has GOT to make sacrifices for the good of the team… The sooner he realizes that he’s NOT A POINT GUARD is when this team will begin to really grow.

by Visionary2 on Oct 28, 2009 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

or trade Roy & Blake for CP3

CP3-Rudy-Martell-Aldridge-Oden

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- Benjamin Franklin-

by We-B-Dunkin on Oct 28, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nailed it Ben

This is THE key for the long-term playoff success of this team. Track it to death all year.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Oct 28, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

no, it it something to track

but THE key is still the Blazers becoming a top level defense.

by jksnake99 on Oct 28, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

ok

call it 1a and 1b

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Oct 28, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say

1a Top level Defense
1b Oden developing into all he can be
1c Roy moving away from isolation into a more team oriented flow

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Oct 28, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree 100 percent.

I still don’t under stand why so many posters thing its all just about Miller learning to simple replace Sergio.. Come to think of it, I’m not sure why McMillian feels that way.

by MotoMan045 on Oct 28, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd call it

1a) top level defense
1b) Oden developing into all he can be
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3) Roy moving away from isolation.

While it can be ugly and it isn’t making the best use of the Blazers overall talent level, I really do believe that the Roy isolation offense could win a title if the Blazers were a top 5 defense and Oden became an even bigger rebounding/defensive beast who made some contributions on offense.

by jksnake99 on Oct 28, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dude, you're getting so much better at this basketball thing

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by hobobob on Oct 28, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which makes me think we're really jumping to conclusions

If we already think we know what’s important, ouch.

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by hobobob on Oct 28, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Leave it to Blazers' Edge

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Oct 28, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Roy and the Ball

Yeah, the old Nate/Roy offense really, really bugs me. Observing from last night’s game, I much prefer the ball in Andre’s hands. There seemed to be more flow and player movement. It’s become so predictable: Roy gets the ball (in isolation) top of the key, waits for the screener, then “creates.” Usually it just gets passed around the perimeter allowing everyone (but the guy in the post) a touch and then someone will hoist a three pointer, or Brandon drives. This is fine for guys like Martel (who did an awesome job last night within the flow) and Outlaw who looks for his own anyway, but it leaves Oden out in the cold. Ehh, this stubbornness and lack of creativity could very well be our downfall and stumbling block to greatness.

by Stryder9 on Oct 28, 2009 4:21 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

i can't wait

to watch the entire game tonight to see that. I only saw the portions he was in the game with Roy (4th quarter) and it was ugly.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Oct 28, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I must disagree completely.

This is exactly the type of muddy thinking we did early last year thinking that Rudy and Sergio (of all people) need the ball more and to run the show. The fact is that the Blazers were THE MOST EFFICIENT OFFENSE LAST YEAR!!! Ben merely questioning our offense and asserting that it’s not the type of offense that wins rings (where the superstar theory would strongly disagree) doesn’t mean we have a problem.

Miller played extremely well with Rudy, Martell and Outlaw, but he sort of sucked when the other starters were in the game. He’s not better than Roy, and he’s not going to win us more games than Roy.

It’s like everyone simply forgot how amazing this Roy guy is, and how good he makes the Blazers.

Agreed that Oden needs more touches, though.

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by hobobob on Oct 28, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I didn't completely disagree. Sorry for the wrong adverb.

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by hobobob on Oct 28, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Roy used to be considered a player with a well-rounded game.

If he is to live up to this standard, he needs to learn to play off the ball.
Miller had great cuts last night that converted to easy layups; he clearly can play off the ball.
Roy, in order to be complete, needs to learn to cooperate.

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by CaptainSexyJacob on Oct 28, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Roy had some easy passes to open teammates where he shot instead

This might be only an occasionally phenomenom but I wish Brandon could set aside “superstar” when teammates are wide open and pass to them instead of taking much more difficult shots himself.

Rudy was wide open and cutting to the hoop as the second (?) quarter ran out while Brandon chucked a three that missed. That was disappointing to me. There was a similar situation later in the game. The team will be better when Brandon uses his teammates more effectively than he is now.

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on Oct 29, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wish Brandon could set aside "superstar" when teammates are wide open and pass to them instead of taking much more difficult shots himself.

It took Jordan awhile to learn this, too. (Not to say that Brandon is “like Mike” but #7 did idolize #23 when he was growing up.) The sooner Roy “trusts” his Blazer teammates, the further they’ll all advance in the playoffs.

(Of course, Tex Winter’s triangle offense may have had something to do with MJ’s “share the rock” epiphany…)

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by two4larue on Oct 29, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree.

What you want is pick and roll offense – but Miller has not been any better with the LMA or Oden pick and roll than anyone else on the roster. I’d much rather have Roy setting up his defender and moving to the hoop than watch Miller duplicate the exact same style – but less effectively.

by blacknoiseNW on Oct 28, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great points

Miller looked good to me, that second unit had a great run with him leading. If he stays with the second unit I think Rudy and Miller will become a very dangerous duo.

I was frustrated to see the Roy iso thing back; with that much talent and so many scorers it’s a very uncreative and predictable way to use them. By the way, did they ever give Miller a chance to run the pick and roll with Oden? I thought Miller was supposed to be an expert and that was the best option to get Oden more scoring opportunities this year.

It looked to me like everything ran smoother with Oden on the floor. When he went out things fell apart and when he came back to close the fourth everything seemed to work a little better. He looks so much faster and more confident on defense, I know it’s just one game and I’m no expert but I forsee big things for Oden this year.

by JonathanPDX on Oct 28, 2009 4:38 AM PDT reply actions  

good points

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by Name's Ash on Oct 28, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

From what I read

the point of the game wasn’t to get Oden flowing offensively, but focused on dominating defensively.

Agree or disagree with that strategy, but I don’t think, for whatever reason, that Nate wants to have Oden dominating the offense yet. I can think of some good reasons why, but what your goals and nate’s goals may be different.

(possible reasons why)

1.) Because Oden can do it but why showcase that all the time yet when
2.) we already have awesome scorers and oden would just take away touches if he’s focused on put backs
3.) Which can make some people unhappy but also
4.) Defense is what’s important and Nate may be attempting to drive home that message by stating THAT’S what he wants from his players.
5.) Also, it was stated that Oden had the “dear god not to me” eyes in the headlights look.

I can only speculate.

Personally, I’d rather see Oden fed a bit as well, but I’d want to make sure other players stay sharp. A nice team balance. This team will eventually find it because they MUST in order to win a championship.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Oct 28, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Greg admitted that he was nervous in the post game interview

(“nervous” in the game…“admitted” in the interview)

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The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Oct 28, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Feature LMA for All-Star consideration?

He just signed a big contract. Team may be deliberately going to LMA instead of Greg to boost LMAs confidence, build up his reputation amongst the All Star voters, and eventually hope that he also gets superstar consideration by the refs…

I hope that they go to Oden on offense as well. The 5 (or 6) blocks and 12 rebounds didn’t seem to register as noteworthy for any ESPN comment. But, early season the team may need to invest in establishing LMAs reputation.

by FromAfar on Oct 28, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

They may also go to LMA because he's vastly more talented on the offensive end

and they want to win games.

I love Oden and really want him to get more than 3 shots per game (they prolly tried to set him up about 9 times btw), but if I’m choosing who I want with the ball on offense between him and LMA, it’s LMA. He’s just way better on offense.

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by hobobob on Oct 28, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

In fact, nobody has had a game quite like Oden's in the last 23 years.

Using basketball-reference.com I checked every box score since 1986 (regular season) and 1990 (playoffs) and found that, in that timeframe, no player has 12 or more rebounds, 5 blocks, 7 turnovers and fewer than 2 points in a single game. Results follow…

Regular season.

Playoffs.

by erastus25 on Oct 28, 2009 5:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Took 48 minutes, though

Greg did all of that in 26. Which makes all of it much more impressive. Even the turnover number is impressive in a different sort of way.

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 28, 2009 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't regard all those TOs as real though

The refs were just getting back into shape, and Hayes does have those pesky camouflaged hands

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by hobobob on Oct 28, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rockets GM Daryl Morey analyzes the game via Twitter
Blazers were able to get what wins them ballgames-off.rebs&3s.Playoffs last yr we neutralized these strengths.Need to improve to win
Things to build on: 46 transition pts, got to FT line, active defense forced turnovers, DA/CB/TA/
Chase has a ways to go on D but is a willing learner, has the physical tools, and wants to be a complete player – all good signs.
@kdonhoops That was due to our defensive activity (18 deflections) and the illegal screens set by the Blazers being called.
@kdonhoops Chuck is doing a good job being a threat on offense.With the minutes he will play because of his defense, this is critical for us

But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart

by Norsktroll on Oct 28, 2009 6:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Chuck Hayes is impressive.

When’s the last time you heard about a guy 6’6" starting at center? The 50’s? He plays excellent D with strength, good position, and quick hands.

by Benjamanic on Oct 28, 2009 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's Wes Unseld-esque

Wes was (is) 6-7 and successfully defended Wilt, Bill Russell, Nate Thurmond, et al. Hayes is like Unseld’s clone. OK, maybe Hayes isn’t QUITE as wide-bodied. But credit where credit is due: he can play some D.

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by hurryup09 on Oct 28, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

nice comparison

now if Hayes had an outlet pass and afro like Unseld, the similarities would be eerie

I always wonder how Wes (in his prime) would’ve done against Shaq.

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by two4larue on Oct 28, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hayes is pretty far

from being the rebounder that Wes was. Or scorer. Or defender. Unseld was awesome.

But it is a very good comparison.

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by jscot on Oct 29, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rookie of the year and MVP in the same year? Not even Jordan or LBJ managed that feat

And if it was so easy for Unseld to do this at 6’6" 250+ lbs, why aren’t more “stout” guys doing it?

Barkley came the closest, I guess. But Charles wasn’t defending 7 footers down on the block, either

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by two4larue on Oct 29, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Norsk--that's interesting

I think GO will fare better next time. But credit to Hayes—he’s a heck of a defender.

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by hurryup09 on Oct 28, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

Typical outstanding job by Wendell. The dude abides. – Elgin

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by 22baylor on Oct 28, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting +/- numbers

Anyone notice that the best Blazer plus/minus numbers posted last night were by Martell (14) and Travis (15). That was far and away higher than anyone else on the team. Also of note, stat geek hero Shane Battier posted a staggingly bad -22 last night, by far the worst of anyone on the Rockets.

by UDUB on Oct 28, 2009 7:00 AM PDT reply actions  

And Roy and LaMarcus where the only ones on the Blazers with negative +/-

For one game it doesn’t tell you much, except that LaMarcus and Roy didn’t exactly have one of their better games. That we could still win it is encouraging.

But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart

by Norsktroll on Oct 28, 2009 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

The +/- numbers tell us one thing

who was in the game when we had our big run.

Aaron Brooks went out and our bench went on a tear against theirs, and effectively that won the game for us.

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by jscot on Oct 28, 2009 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Notice who was running the point during that big run

and helped Outlaw and Marty put up those numbers

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by leeroyjenkins on Oct 28, 2009 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

Andre is a wonderful PG with Outlaw, Marty, and Rudy. That’s why I’m so enthusiastic about making sure he’s on the court whenever Brandon isn’t — he makes us lethal even when Roy is resting.

But remember, that was the only part of the game that Brooks was out. So there are two sides to this coin. One, the Rockets were weaker and more vulnerable at that point in the game. Two, we have the kind of players on the court the entire game that will punish you whenever you are weakened.

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by jscot on Oct 28, 2009 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

We have a ton of weapons that is for sure lol

Now if we can just mesh them together properly

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by leeroyjenkins on Oct 28, 2009 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes

there was a considerable amount of gear-grinding last night. When they work things out, as they did in the second quarter, it will be quite awesome. – Elgin

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by 22baylor on Oct 28, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Our starters played their starters almost evenly

Our bench was clobering their bench. At the end of 3 quarters our bench had outscored theirs by 35-10. by 4:30 left in the fourth their bench gnaged that to 40-31. Mind you our starters were in excepting Outlaw and Pryz during that stretch.

Our best offensive players last night were Webster and Trout. Roys pts mostly came in crunch-time which caught brandon up in between Trout and Webster’s production. Our best defense was obviously at center and niether Joel nor Oden were in foul trouble until that ugly stretch in the 4th quarter. Oden started the 4th with only 2 fouls The centers piked up 5-6 fouls in about 4 minutes of play, each getting avery mysterious call against them (both loose ball fouls). This followed after Scola picked up 3 quick fouls (4 total) and was taken out of the game for the night.

On miller: He didn’t do too much, but he had the play of the night in his steal on Lowry which lead to a fast break dunk by Lma. Lowry was try for a break away with a numbers advatange with only Miller to beat. Miller stop and planted above the top of the key and as Lowry tried to drive past, MIller poked the ball loose. MIller being still went back towards the Blazers hoops while the rockets were trying to slow down and then dished to Lma for the jam. Just beautiful play all started with defense. MIller did miss a shot directly under the basket with no defender in the 4th. He cut under the hoop and i think miller was suprised being so wide open underneath that he short-rimmed it. Roy did this too on a drive in the fourth. This wouldn’t happen it they just dunked it .

All in all a nice warm up game. Hopefully exectution will improve by both players and refs (they really need pre-season too).

The refs were pretty bad in their calls at times. There were a couple of Blazer turnovers where a rocket swipe at the ball in a blazer’s hands and the ball careemed out of bounds. That call should only go one of two ways: either a foul or Blazer ball because the Rocket knocked it from his hands. Nope not tonight, that was a rocket ball. That happened at least twice in the 4th during the ugly stretch. On the plus side, the blazers never seemed rattled by dubios calls, they just played through (though it helps having a double digit lead).

by NWfan on Oct 28, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good comment

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 28, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Joel nor Oden were in foul trouble until that ugly stretch in the 4th quarter. Oden started the 4th with only 2 fouls The centers piked up 5-6 fouls in about 4 minutes of play,

Imagine if this had happened in a playoff game…is everyone still comfortable with Howard (and perhaps a healthy Pendergraph) along with LMA as the “emergency” frontcourt?

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by two4larue on Oct 28, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not saying we should read too much into them but...

…especially for a single game, but it’s not as simple as who was in the game during a run. If it was, it wouldn’t be just Martell and Outlaw that had high numbers. Miller was in for the 2nd qtr. run and his +/- was 1. Nate played around with a number of different lineups last night and it’s interesting that the Blazers were the most successful with Outlaw and Martell in the game. Whether that’s an aberation, time will tell.

It’s always hard to judge defense, but I thought both Martell and Outlaw played pretty good D last night; neither of them are known as being good defenders, but they were aggressive and really played well.

by UDUB on Oct 28, 2009 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

The thing about defense

is you should be able to bring it every night. The shots might not be falling on some nights, but defense should always be there.

Of course, they didn’t always have the toughest defensive matchups against the Rockets, either.

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by jscot on Oct 28, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trout

was awesome on Defense. Awesome may be going to far, but he was active, involved, and alert. I’ve stated that he could be one of the best defensive players in the league if he wanted to be, but have been frustrated in years past because he wasn’t/didn’t.

Last night I got a small taste of what I’ve always wanted from Outlaw.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Oct 28, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which is why I'm wondering why everyone's begging for Miller to start

when this would seem to validate Nate’s POV

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by hobobob on Oct 28, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

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by jscot on Oct 29, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m wondering why everyone’s begging for Miller to start

GO’s touches need to increase, especially when he’s on the moe towards the basket

I’m still waiting for the “king of lobs” to start doing his thing. Besides Rudy, what “targets” does Miller have, coming off the bench?

Martell and Travis? How often do they cut back door for the alley-oop?

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by two4larue on Oct 29, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why is it that any time Oden isn't scoring everyone acts like all is lost? Greg is the reason we won the game.

He got those huge blocks at the end, one with Landry or Hayes right under the rim. Then the put back that secrued the game. Why is there always complaining when it comes to Greg Oden. Let him play the game, fans are so up and down on him. Look at Aldridge, taking fade aways on shorter players.

by BRoyInThe4th on Oct 28, 2009 7:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Not too many are complaining about Greg

They are complaining that we have a center who showed in preseason he can be an offensive wrecking machine, and we didn’t get him the ball hardly at all.

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by jscot on Oct 28, 2009 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I loved Greg’s effort on the boards and on D las night. The thing that has me frustrated is it seems like the system is designed for him to be a one way player, and for he Blazers to reach their objectives, GO needs to be a factor (not the focus, at least not this year) on offense

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by blazeraddict on Oct 28, 2009 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oden didn't score because...

…he was have a lot of trouble establishing deep position. Hayes did and excellent job of keeping Oden from getting set up near the hoop. The coaches will show Oden the tape and work with him on getting better post position. Once he learns how to do that, he’ll get more touches.

by UDUB on Oct 28, 2009 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly.

It wasn’t the fault of any of the guards. Oden just couldn’t get where he needed to. Chuck Hayes is an excellent defender, especially for his size.

by Benjamanic on Oct 28, 2009 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oden didn't frustrate me at all

I think the tiny rocket’s front line was just really bothersome. Look at the rest of the bigs. Joel even fouled out, not Greg. At some point, Roy will eventually learn to trust Oden, and we’ll see an inside out game.

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by Name's Ash on Oct 28, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

And can we not

run an occasional pick and roll or have LMA set an occasional low screen to help him get that position?

Run three plays in the first quarter designed to spring him loose with position, and feed him the ball, and it can change the whole game

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by jscot on Oct 28, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

Oden set a couple of beautiful off-the-ball screens last night. It would be nice if someone would reciprocate every once in awhile. That being said, I did feel that he (Greg) seemed to often get stuck in limbo. He seemed incredibly indecisive as to whether he should set a pick or try to post so he often just ended up somewhere in between.

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by 1badbadger on Oct 28, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

it'll come

I loved what I saw, but he is still raw and has work to do.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Oct 28, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's a fine explanation for why he didn't get more post up opportunities

and I agree with it. But for the love of whatever, get him into position to get the ball on the move. Pick and roll anyone!!?!?!

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Oct 28, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

They looked to Greg early then swithced to LMa

Greg got 2 looks early but LMa was the bread and butter for scoring for the firt 6 mintues of the game. Afterwords ther were maybe to more time Oden saw the ball on offense. Trout came in and got hot. Martell also shooting great in th efirst 3 quarters. Those two guys really carried the offensive load through the middle quarters. It seemed the offense just went to the hot players until Crunch time when Roy got his and the spot up shooters went to work (Blake, Rudy, Trout and Miller all hit 3’s in that stretch).

by NWfan on Oct 28, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah

I see you called it before I did, mine is just above yours.

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by jscot on Oct 28, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

get him into position to get the ball on the move. Pick and roll anyone!!?!?!

Miller time, there’s too much “disconnect” when Greg starts and Andre sits

which is why I voted for RAWMO. Hopefully we’ll see a few lob passes from #24 to #52, eventually

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by two4larue on Oct 28, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uhhh I can recall at least

3 times Oden had Deep position and was either ignored or the wing hesitated until the advantage Oden had established was lost or the ref called 3 in the key. On the offensive screen plays where Oden was called for illegal screens it looked like the guard involved was either trying to get GO to move somewhere else or didn ’t want the screen at all. Lots of miss communication and unfimiliarity.
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by Odenrising on Oct 28, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Game plan was dissapointing last night.

We need to get Roy and LA going but we forced an awful lot into them last night and they forced a lot of shots while their team mates stood around. We had a nice stretch in the second quater with the second unit where we were fluid but over all there needs to be more movement in the offense. The turnovers, i’d say at least five of them could be contributed to a stagnant game plan on offense where LA or Roy go one on one and force a shot while people stand around, and I put thay squarely on the coach. It burns me a little if Nate wants to put all those 26 on the team, because I watched the game plan create a few of those TO’s. Prior years I’d have said maybe the players just needed to mature, but not his year. The offensive game plan needs huge improvement. I don’t have faith any longer that Nate should be the “offensive coordinator”. He needs help. I expected to see some strides this year in the offense, but it appears Nate is intent on making us the most boring offensive team in the league. Hooray for the 5 minutes int eh second quarter where we were scrapping and passing the ball and fast breaking. Boo to 4 players tadning around while one goes one on one, which seems to be Nates only play.

by zersrule on Oct 28, 2009 7:24 AM PDT reply actions  

So....4 players standing around is on the coach?

I don’t think the coach ever tells the players to just stand around while Brandon or LMA goes 1-on-1. They could certainly be cutting to the hoop, setting cross picks to get open, or many other things. The fact that they don’t does not mean that’s what Nate wants.

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by antediluvian on Oct 28, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

If they won't run the offense the way Nate wants

then we ought to put in Jerryd and Dante and Juwan. That might get the message across.

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by jscot on Oct 28, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

It may have something to do with Nate's strategy though

I can’t say, but when you see it over and over again the question I ask is “is that because people aren’t doing what theyr’e supposed to, or because, in the strategy, they’re not supposed to be doing anything.”

I see it a lot and whatever the cause it needs to stop.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Oct 28, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've always called it the

“Toxic Byproduct” of isolation offense. My freshman year in high school our coach ran a similar offense to Nate’s “system”. It entails of a 3-point aficionado standing behind the 3-point line in the corner, a point guard standing near the top of the arc and the other two players standing out of the key to draw their defenders out of the paint. Off-the-ball movement is generally kept to a minimum so as to not interfere with the isolator’s progress to the rim/paint.

Dude, what are you doing, man? Why you gotta be holding a corn dog when I go for a high-five??

by 1badbadger on Oct 28, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which makes sense

With the team we have now, I question whether it still makes sense or how it should adapt/change.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Oct 28, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

absolutely it's on the coach.

It’s the offfense. if you watch the body language, when Brandon gets the ball, the other players no longer expect to be involved in the offense. You can’t expect them to be always looking for something that isn’t coming.

by Blazin' on Oct 28, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think the coach ever tells the players to just stand around while Brandon…

Sure he does, that’s they’re job on the “1-4” ISO play. The whole idea is to spread the floor and make it more difficult for the defenders to give help on the penetrator. And, if an opposing player leaves his man to try to double Brandon at the the top of the circle, this “flat” configuration makes it easier for Brandon to identify the open player. (Either in the corner, or down on the block) Then, it’s Roy’s job to hit that player with a pass before the weakside defense can rotate

This is pretty basic stuff. It usually only gets criticized when it doesn’t work. (Like in the playoffs against superior defensive teams who have been coached how to defend it well?)

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by two4larue on Oct 28, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it just me

or does anyone else always get the nagging sense that the Blazers style of play doesn’t match their personnel? Maybe it’s just perception bias on my part, but I always feel like opposing teams get more easy buckets than we do—even when we’re playing really well. I feel like we have to try too hard for our points. I hope I’m wrong, but my nagging suspicion is that if you took the same group of players and had Rick Adelman or Jerry Sloan coach them, they’d be absolutely dominant, that they’d feast on easy pick-n-roll buckets and backdoor cuts. Anyone else feel that way?

by UDUB on Oct 28, 2009 7:32 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Yes

Nate took a dysfunctional situation, added structure, and has helped to rebuild the team. But the style doesn’t make full use of the amazing collection of talent that has been put together.

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by jscot on Oct 28, 2009 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

that's it.

I would like Nate to be the coach of this team. That’s why hiring an offensive coordinator seems like a good idea. But even more than that, I would like to see this team advance and realize their potential.

by Blazin' on Oct 28, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Omg, yes.

You are absolutely right. You would think by now there should be more sophistication to our offense.

by Stryder9 on Oct 28, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes

been saying this for 2 seasons

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Oct 28, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Our guys don't run back on D for some unfathomable reason

Somtimes they like to celebrate and play to the crowd after made buckets as if the game is on pause for them.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Oct 28, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe

Easy buckets were definitely tough to come by last year. Nate also maximized the team and wins far beyond what a young team “should” do.

I saw easier buckets this system and we now have the tools in place to do what needs to be done to capitalize on fast breaks and easy buckets. I can’t say that 100% for previous years, although there were definite moments of frustration for me.

I’m going to wait and see. I think Nate has done a great job with the tools he has had, and now he has a rather complete set of tools and I want to see what he does before I lean one way or another.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Oct 28, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

system=season

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Oct 28, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I do think perception bias plays a role here. The Blazers get their share of dunks and layups, just usually not in transition.

I also think that an Adelman or a Sloan could develop the Blazers into an offensive juggernaut in a way that Nate could not. There’s a reason why those two guys ought to be in the top 5 for COY every single year. Nate’s not there, at least not yet.

by jksnake99 on Oct 28, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stat of the night: Travis Oulaw had a PER of 31.49 ;-)

But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart

by Norsktroll on Oct 28, 2009 7:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Wow, now LJ is supporting Outlaw?

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Oct 28, 2009 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wholeheartedly support Travis when he plays well

I just want him to do it more often.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Oct 28, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

yup

The offense was nice, but I was actually happier with his defensive effort than I was at any point last year.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Oct 28, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

me too buddy.

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Oct 28, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

My team didn’t play last night, so my favorite moment of the opening night of the NBA season was provided (indirectly) by Travis Outlaw. To wit, when the Houston Announcer said

Travis Outlaw coming off the bench for the Blazers is a lot like a funnel cake—he’s hot and he’s sweet.

He will forevermore be Funnel Cake to me.

WWTD?

by Lauri on Oct 28, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's hilarious

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by jscot on Oct 28, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Almost wonder if it was Clyde that uttered that

He’s the Rocket’s color commentator, so it’s possible. Plus I recall him stating either on the radio or in an article somewhere that he has a soft spot for Trav

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Oct 28, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

what wouldn't

tominhawaii do?

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by two4larue on Oct 28, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

This game was exactly what we needed last night...

First of all, a win over the team that kicked us in the playoffs. Second, it showed there really IS a commitment to defense….and it looks pretty good. And best of all, despite the win, it gives Nate lots of “teachable moments”.

I saw a LOT of good things on the floor last night, with a certain amount of first game roughness.

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by antediluvian on Oct 28, 2009 7:49 AM PDT reply actions  

thanks goodness

we faced Houston before Denver. I think Denver would have slaughtered us if they were up first.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Oct 28, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

One thing about Miller.

The spacing didn’t look as good in the half court. Is it me, or did it looked like a cluster^%$# at times with him in there? His midrange jumper isn’t a shot that looks like one the team can be comfortable with. It looked like there was some confusion offensively with both units.

Looked great when they got in the open court though.

by Benjamanic on Oct 28, 2009 8:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Roy has got to learn how to play off the ball.

Or at least, he’s got to just do it.

Remember the All-Star games? He was the ultimate off the ball guy. Why can’t he have fun like he does there?

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Oct 28, 2009 8:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Oden's offense was not good, but

He controlled the interior on the defensive end. He pretty much sealed that win when he was put back in with two minutes left. Houston was driving the lane at will until then. Without oden’s return I saw nothing from the guys on the floor that would have changed that. I think people writing about the game do greg’s overall performance a disservice. There was one sequence, earlier in the game, where he forced his man to pitch the ball out to a driving team mate and oden got the block. There were many plays where he took out two guys on screens too…

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by PDXBuckeye on Oct 28, 2009 8:13 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Is Aaron Brooks

Steve Blake’s worst nightmare? Aaron Brooks is my worst nightmare whenever Steve Blake is guarding him.

Penetration – Score, Penetration – Pass – Score, Penetration – Shoulda Scored, Penetration – Pass – Shoulda Scored.

That is scary, i would prefer to see a little more

Denied Penetration – Bad Shot – Offensive Rebound, Denied Penetration – Perimeter Pass – Mid-Range Jumper

by pdxlifer on Oct 28, 2009 8:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, I ought to flag you for that one

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 28, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm going to watch the game on DVR again

just to make up for months w/o a Blazer fix, but I’m pretty sure I saw other guards checking him at the time. It didn’t seem like several of them happened because of a blow-by or a switch on a pick.

by Benjamanic on Oct 28, 2009 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brooks will blow by anybody

That said, he’ll blow by Blake more often than many other guys. It was pretty clear that Brooks knew from experience he could get past Blake any time he wanted to.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Oct 28, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah Brook's was king of blowing by his man

only to be swallowed up by two more defenders and get caught making a bad pass out or getting bailed out by the refs. Those drive often led to blocked shots or turnovers, with maybe a 30% conversion efficency.

by NWfan on Oct 28, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Little man" Brooks can flat out play....

Did you see that floater that he put over GO? GO was in the air and going for the swat. He’s fun to watch.

by toolman on Oct 28, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe Mills could guard him?

I would have liked to have seen Bayless on Lowry. – Elgin

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by 22baylor on Oct 28, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

pre-season was meaningless

it was basically a warm up. When guys are sat to rest their stubbed toes, and the bench riders get an inordinate amount of playing time, and when Brandon Roy admits he’s not playing as hard as he would in the regular season, it boils down to one word- meaningless.

Thatbeingsaid, the PTB still have a lot to work on as the pre-season only got them so far. Now the real work begins.

I'm gonna put the kibosh on you. You know I've kiboshed before. And I will kibosh again.

by bow4meow on Oct 28, 2009 8:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Got to change perception around here...

The REAL works begins AFTER 81 more games have been played!

Blazer fans need to step up their game! If you believe our championship window is open, then we have to start thinking about the regular season as the pre-season, like the Celts and Fakers do.

by Visionary2 on Oct 28, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

well said

Fan and team psychology are funny things. For the fans, I think part of it is that the PDX area doesn’t have year in/year out championship-contending teams at the college level either…folks aren’t in the habit of expecting more. It’s time to flip that switch.

We’re not putting unrealistic expectations on them, or being negative, by demanding a higher level of success. It’s absolutely realistic. You can say the championship window isn’t quite open yet, you can say that this year getting to the Western Conf Championship round would be a huge step, maybe it’s all true but it’s still defeatist.

Anything less than a championship is a failure. Not an embarrassment. Not something to be angry about. But a failure. This team has the potential. I think they have it NOW if they just do all the things we know they need to do – get in sync offensively across the different sets, get the backcourt dynamic figured out, learn to play team D the right way ALL of the time, and most importantly, develop the championship mentality – which is that opposing teams are to be dominated and psychologically broken across the regular season, so that when playoffs come, everyone fears you, and the reasonable expectation is that the championship is YOURS.

The time is near. The mission’s clear. It’s later than you think!

Championships are the only measure of success in top level sports. Period.

by MrCompletely on Oct 28, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh...

I want the team and players angry. I loved reading how Batum was ticked off that his team lost the more he thought on it.

I want this team angry and hungry if they fail.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Oct 28, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

next up

I can’t argue the we got potential notion. We got potential. Granted. But no way in Dante’s inferno am I going to lay out expectations to win a title this year. I’m not into self-inflicted disappointment and even more so expectations like those are meant to fail, ask every team in sports besides the one that brings home the trophy.

Championships are not the only measure of success in sports. I know where I’ve been since Bob Whitsett brought this franchise to its knees. I’ve endured the pain and by Jiminy Cricket KP has re-assembled a talented and appreciated team that has demonstrated success over the past several seasons. I’ll I ask is the PTB BRING IT every game… the rest will take care of itself… in time!

I'm gonna put the kibosh on you. You know I've kiboshed before. And I will kibosh again.

by bow4meow on Oct 28, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Precisely

Very well stated.

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 29, 2009 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

first you

I don’t believe the Celtics or that other team treat the regular season like the pre-season. Those elite teams know every regular season game counts and go out there make every attempt to win every game… they understand the importance of home court advantage and are savvy and tested enough to take anyone’s best shot and still have a legit chance to win…

In the preseason, guys are just going thru motions, coaches are experimenting and most of all wins don’t amount to Jack Cheese.

I'm gonna put the kibosh on you. You know I've kiboshed before. And I will kibosh again.

by bow4meow on Oct 28, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who or what is Jack Cheese?

Is it a person or something you eat? Can’t say I’ve ever eaten any jack cheese. I don’t believe I’ve ever meant Mr. Jack Cheese.

by toolman on Oct 28, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which is why preseason games are so important

If he is so unimportant that you don’t know anything about him, and preseason wins still don’t amount to Jack Cheese, then you begin to understand just how important those wins are.

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 29, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

nice write up

The Princess of Blazersedge

It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 28, 2009 8:47 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Suck up

lol

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Oct 28, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's true

Ben has become less snarky and more fluid. I don’t mind the snark, just sometimes it wouldn’t fit where it was given, and instead of reading the whole pieces, I’d be thinking from then on, “What the hell does that have to do with that?” His timing is way better, and he picks his spots better. I still wouldn’t mind an “edit reel” at the end of posts, with his sarcastic comments that didn’t make the cut.

Beyond that, he’s just gotten better as a writer and a sports writer in all aspects of his game. Just like anything, you get better with practice. Ben’s a seasoned vet these days.

by tominhawaii on Oct 28, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

a young vet

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The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Oct 28, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ben writes great articles

packed with nutritional value. Great job Ben as always. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Oct 28, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I'll agree with you

He rubbed me the wrong way when he first started. Dave’s style is definitely more my flavor. I feel his articles are more balanced and report as well as the occasional expression of his own emotions. The balance has definitely improved.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Oct 28, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

hi shoe fetish

is still weird though.

Surprised there wasn’t a write up this game.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Oct 28, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I brought up the Roy Iso's during the game

seemed extra odd and pointless when there were 2 point guards on the floor…

with sooooo many other options, 1 on 5 basketball at the pro level is a little weak…run a play to get the ball to roy in position to score…sure …he’s a great scorer…but why does he bring the ball up the floor…its not like he needs the momentum or something…then ya got blake standing in one corner, dre in another…and others just waiting for them to double roy —get passed to then give it back to roy…the last 3 to 4 min of every quarter..then theres no time left so hoist something..hmm..definite room for improvement there

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by LetsBlaze on Oct 28, 2009 9:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Steve blake is as good of a point guard as we are going to get

If Brandon does not adjust his game. I trust he will, but I think the whole “I signed a max deal so everyone adjusts to me” line of reasoning would make more sense to me if he was 30. He’s still getting better at basketball (I hope)! Brandon’s difficultly playing with other guards has the potential to kill JBays career (probably deep sixed Sergio’s already)… training Jerryd to park on the 3 point line and chuck is a waste of talent. Side note: Travis may not have “BBall IQ,” but his stroke is a thing of beauty, isn’t it? When his stroke is on lock he fades for no apparent reason and still barely moves the cords. Grody.

by Sound_Automatic on Oct 28, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

hehehe

we’ll see if Sergio gets any PT in Sac. I see what you’re saying though.

A few distinctions between Roy and J-Bay: Roy is way taller. Roy is a way better finisher. Roy is a way better passer.

So sending Roy to the paint is a good option. Always. He’s easily the best the play maker the Blazers have had since…well…since EVER.

The team just needs to do a better job of playing off of him.

"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Oct 28, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Just saying it goes both ways

It took Michael Jordan a while to learn to play off others. Stars who don’t learn to do that ice their teammates. Accommodating Brandon’s style drove our pace to slowest in the league. And I’m unsure that Brandon is the finest play maker on our existing team, much less ever, though he certainly the finest scorer. Drive and dish offense is pretty easy to deal with as Houston showed us. We will give opposing teams much more varied looks if our stud 2 guard is playing off the ball more often.

by Sound_Automatic on Oct 28, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

5 assists per game would tend to indicate that Roy does share

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Oct 28, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

We need to do a study about when an idea that's almost completely contrary to

what’s indicated in the evidence suddenly takes off within a given population. The Roy selfish/Nate idiot (for the isos) stuff is nuts. D was the key. Our offense already freaking rocked last year. Sorry Ben and everyone else, we were perty durn good.

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by hobobob on Oct 28, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s easily the best the play maker the Blazers have had since…

Clyde, then before that Billy Ray Bates

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by two4larue on Oct 28, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

No write up about Marty?

He was electric, blocking shots, knock balls loose, and generally all over the floor(in control this time). And efficient scoring. It’s great to have him back.

Chuck Norris' tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried.

by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Oct 28, 2009 9:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Marty played well

he only played out of control once , maybe twice. But he was active on both ends of the court. For most of the night it was either Marty or Trout putting up the points.

by NWfan on Oct 28, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Marty was great

for a rusty old guy.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Oct 28, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I gotta tell ya...

I usually really enjoy coming to this site and reading all the differing and interesting opinions. Right now though I think this whole Roy needs to learn he’s not the PG and Roy needs to make sacrifices and Roy needs to learn to play with Andre and Roy needs to understand that he lost us the playoffs with his stagnant offense stuff is ridiculous. It seems like EVERY thread has this same theme running through it somewhere.

We played some stellar defense last night. There were times in the 2nd and 3rd quarters we looked great… Alot better than many people thought we would after listening to the preseason… Andre Miller fit in well (EVEN MADE A 3) Oden played dominating defense, Travis played good enough for even his detractors to appreciate and Martell Blazer looked strong and active.

We are ONE GAME into the season. Is it not possible that the things you are “worrying” about won’t happen as the team matures?

I’ve heard all the “Drinkin’ the Kool Aide” and “Rose Garden Colored Glasses” cracks that homers like me get used to hearing and I know it is likely that I am too positive about the team in many eyes. I also know that this forum is for open discussion about all things Blazer… positive and negative. What frustrates me right now is that I can’t even go to a media row report after winning the first game of the season against the team that knocked us out of the playoffs without having to read this kind of stuff.

I’m only a small part of this community and apparently I’m in the minority regarding my feelings but the fact is I am tired of the same old re-cycled complaints about Roy and Nate.

I know that you all have every right to voice them but I also have every right not to like it.

GO BLAZERS!!!

by Ilikeemall on Oct 28, 2009 10:32 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Same with Lebron though

you can’t have your go-to play be your best player dribbling into the teeth of the defense every time. It doesn’t work for Cleveland (did you watch that Boston/Cleveland game last night?) when they play a team that knows how to defend, and it won’t work for our squad either. Brandon will figure it out though. This team is young and simply needs to develop it’s skill set, including options at the end of games. This is where I think Lamarcus needs to instill his will at the end of games a little more. He can hit big shots.

"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Oct 28, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you mean at the end of games

how many other good teams in the NBA, time permitting, wouldn’t run an Iso or maybe a pick and roll/pop if their team’s best player creates shots off the dribble? You could maybe post someone like Carmelo, Duncan, or Dirk, definitely Yao, maybe have Rip Hamilton, Melo, or Ray Allen come off a screen. How many go-to options are there, realistically on other teams though?

by Benjamanic on Oct 28, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

aside from a stretch in the second quarter

we ran that stagnant, “everyone stand around while someone gets free through a screen so he can then dribble at the defense” offense throughout the game.

by Blazin' on Oct 28, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rec, REC, RECOMMEND!!!!

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

Also: COMCAST SUCKS!

by TwoDeep on Oct 28, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hear hear me toosies

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by hobobob on Oct 28, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't mind Ben bringing it up at all, but it's just that the evidence suggests

it’s better that we play that way. I totally understand wanting to improve, but hey, there’re just as many ways to make things worse.

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by hobobob on Oct 28, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

A few thoughts:

The team stands around on offense when a Blazer guard gets to the paint. Especially Roy and Rudy. It seems to me Nate’s offensive sets on those plays involve a wing in the corner (which is great on this team), and a PG at the 3 point line on the other side of the key (also, if we’re talkin’ Blake that’s a really good thing) but the bigs don’t move. I’m no expert. In fact, growing up playing hoops at Powell’s Boys’ Club, my teammates routinely stripped the ball from me out of fear that I might try to dribble or shoot but…well, it still seems like simple basketball: your guy is coming to the paint, one big waits for a pass while the other rotates to the elbow to space the floor. Houston does this and gets routine open looks for Scola all night. And he makes those. All of them.

My point is, the offense looks stagnant in those scenarios a majority of the time, and against good playoff caliber “D”, those are the types of scenarios you have to capitalize on. So the team has a long way to go in learning to play with Roy and Rudy getting to the paint IMO.

Also, Outlaw really was active and productive. He SHOULD BE feasting on lesser teams, and he did. Nice work, Travis! Great post-game interview too. I like him. When he tees up a contested jumper I cringe as though Stacey Augmon himself were about to launch an uncontested jumper, but he came through last night. Again, it would be nice if the Blazer offense didn’t have to rely on individual 1-on-1 jump shooting but…

TO BE CONTINUED

(all year)

"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Oct 28, 2009 10:46 AM PDT reply actions  

You've got to hand it to Houston...

they are a scrappy little team (emphasis on little). They play physical and it seemed wherever the ball was there would be about 3 Rockets around it to try to force a turnover. That’s probably how they will win their games, forcing a lot of turn overs.
I thought Portland did well, considering that they sometimes have trouble with that type of team. I wished they would have gone more into Greg, especially when they were up by 20 pts and really didn’t have much chance to lose. But no one looks for him and I don’t think he demands the ball much.
As for the refs, I can’t decide if I’m glad they’re back yet. It was like they thought to themselves “the Rockets are much smaller than Portland, so lets put ALL of the big guys in foul trouble and then Houston will have some sort of chance to be in this ball game. Losing by 30 or by 9 is the same thing, right??? Oh look, there’s Oden, whistle”

by jenstcy on Oct 28, 2009 10:56 AM PDT reply actions  

The blazers did bad in a lot of areas

but houston also did extremely well making the most of what they had. If yao can come back and then stay healthy and they can acquire another A or B-level player… that’s a championship team. It’s really too bad yao went down against the Lakers. I think Houston could have gone all the way.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Oct 28, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Portland got lucky

that Budinger was missing from outside…. if he was hot the Rockets would’ve made it much closer

I'm gonna put the kibosh on you. You know I've kiboshed before. And I will kibosh again.

by bow4meow on Oct 28, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stick the second unit in and leave Oden on the floor with them as a test

I guarantee Oden’s offensive production will increase. Miller will find a way to integrate Oden into the offense because he is a true point.

Roy and crew seem to be fixated on keeping things the same and not learning or adapting.

by Newton Pham on Oct 28, 2009 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree with your first comment...

“I guarantee Oden’s offensive production will increase. Miller will find a way to integrate Oden into the offense because he is a true point.”

I’d like to see Nate stick with the following at least for a few games in the first part of this season:

1st Team-
Blake
Roy
Webster
LMA
Joel

2nd Team-
Miller
Rudy
Travis
Howard (sub back Batum when he gets back and move Trout to the 4)
Oden

Reasoning:
1. Roy and LMA must start
2. Blake and Roy got rhythm
3. We need additional perimeter offense in the 1st squad: Welcome-back-Webster
4. We need proven defense in the 1st squad: bring on the Vanilla Gorilla
5. Miller needs to be on the court the most with Oden and then we’ll see this dynamic duo unleashed
6. Travis is best served as the second course
7. Howard still has enough in the tank and his hands to be an asset off the bench as well.

Just my 2 cents from the cheep seats…

"Easy for you to say coach, you don't have Big Greg rolling up on your blind side about to lay the wood to you." - Batum

by No you di'nt on Oct 28, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice job, as ever, Benjamins.

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by timbo on Oct 28, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions  

that's

Ben-Jamin’

Go-Lliver!

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by two4larue on Oct 28, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably the best write-uper I know of

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by hobobob on Oct 28, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions  

The Quick, or writer-upper

pun fail – Elgin

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by 22baylor on Oct 28, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was actually a paraphrase from Napolean Dynomite, so...uh.... fail accuser: fail.

I did forget a “p” though, if you’d like to point that out.

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by hobobob on Oct 28, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm still surprised neither Ben nor Dave touched on the refs new uni's

I thought they looked so much better than the crap they’ve been wearing for as long as I can remember

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Oct 28, 2009 3:25 PM PDT reply actions  

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