Getting 54 wins in the Western Conference will be tougher this year
With the season about to start, everyone is laying out their predictions for the team's win total this year. Most of these predictions seem to be based solely on an assessment of whether this year's Blazers will be better or worse than last years. I have little doubt that--barring major injuries--the Blazers will be better this year than they were last year. Any chemistry issues will work themselves out and the Blazers are just a more talented team then they were last year. But that might not necessarily translate into a higher win total. Here's why: the Western Conference as a whole looks to be much better than it was last year.
Last year, in the West, there were essentially 9 good teams and 6 crappy ones. The 9 good teams padded their win totals by racking up wins against the 6 crappy teams. This year, virtually all of the 6 bottom feeders will likely be better. Some of them may even join the playoff hunt. Let's break them down.
Oklahoma City: Does anyone doubt that OKC will be better this year? Their young nucleus will be more experienced and they've added a nice new piece in James Harden. I don't think they'll make the playoffs, but I'd be shocked if they don't pull down 10 more wins than last year's squad.
LA Clippers: This may sound crazy, but I think there is a reasonable chance that the Clippers will be WAY better this year. They had a lot of talent last year, but they had injury and attitude problems. With Kaman, Camby, and Davis healthy, with Blake Griffin on the team, with Eric Gordon a year more experienced, they may actually be in the playoff hunt this year. At the very least, it seems hard to believe they won't win more than the 19 games they won last season.
Golden State: First of all, Golden State wasn't that bad last year. They won 29 games, including some quality wins. And that was with a very young team and a very dysfunctional system. Their system is still dysfunctional, but their players are more experienced. I think they're likely to improve their win total as well.
Minnesota: Two words. Al Jefferson. He was out most of last year. He's back. Ramon Sessions is pretty good too, and he wasn't there last year. Barring injury, they will win more games this year.
Memphis: The Grizzlies will undoubtedly have a drama-filled, inconsistent season. But there's no question they improved their talent pool in the off-season. Even with inconsistent play, I can easily see them winning more than the 24 games they won last year.
Sacramento: Sacramento is the one team I suspect will still be really bad. Then again, they only won 17 games last season, so that total will not be hard to surpass. Tereke Evans is a good player and there are some other young players on that team that will be a little more experienced this year. I can see them at least getting up into the 20s in the win column.
So do the math. If the bottom 6 are all getting more wins, it's going to be coming at the expense of the top 9. Not only that, but among the top 9, some teams will be better than last year. In particular, I suspect San Antonio, Dallas, New Orleans, and Utah will likely be better than last year (I suspect Denver and LA LAkers will be about the same and Houston and Phoenix will be at little worse--but still decent).
The Western Conference will be tough this year. There will be very few easy victories. If the Blazers want to improve on their win total from last year, they will need to be significantly better than they were last year.
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You might be right
but you are taking a very optimistic view of each of these bottom dewellers. Here is the other side.
OKC: A team that couldn’t stop anyone last year, still can’t do it this year. Harden is a good player but a rookie who will need time, the bad thing is, he will make alot of mistakes while getting that time. They should improve but not by much, there is still alot of work to do in OKC.
Clippers:They were injuried almost all of last year, but even when their projected lineup was playing they were not very good. The main problem? Their coach and best player don’t like each other, and both are still there this year. Golden State may have taken over the title for most dysfunctional organization, but the Clippers are old school dysfunctional, they invented it. Dunleavy might just run them into the ground this year.
Golden State: They should fight Sactown for the title of worst team in the West. There are just too many issues for this team to be any better than last year, infact it is a small miracle they won 29 games last year. I can’t see them getting over 25 this year as EX-Captian Jack is going to be shipped for pennies on the dollar.
Minnesota:Al Jefferson was out last year, and is back, but now Love is out to start the season. They are still at every position after offseason trades, except point guard where they have a rookie and Ramon Sessions. But they also changed coaches from someone they all rallied around at the end of the season, (Jefferson was not happy he was let go) to a guy who failed badly in his one other attempt at being a head coach. They changed their offense over to the triangle, which is very hard to learn, and could by itself cause them to lose more games than they win. Remember they have very young players including a rookie point guard trying to run this system. My guess is Minni gets worse before it gets better.
Memphis; This train wreck will come out of the games okay, but about 20 games into the season it will all fall apart, leaving them another season of 25 wins.
Sacramento: Might just set a record for most losses in a season.
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by usmcr3049 on Oct 26, 2009 8:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Add the Houston Rockets
to the list of cellar dwellers. They won’t be as bad as some of those teams, but they were built around a 7’6" guy who won’t be back anytime soon.
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by koyote on Oct 26, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make a good point
they won 50+games last year, and will win 40 max this year.
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by usmcr3049 on Oct 26, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They will be above 40
They are too well run an organization from Morey on down to Adelman, and too strong on defense to be below .500— they’ll win around 44-46.
by jksnake99 on Oct 26, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is right
except for one thing. I don’t think they can survive another injury hit. If Scola or Brooks or Battier goes down for 15-20 games, they are going to be bad. They just have no margin for error. Most teams can afford to lose a key guy for a while without being wiped out by it, but if they have a key guy go down, they become a 25% win team.
Maybe McGrady comes back and helps with that.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 26, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd seriously be surprised
Yao is just too big a loss for them. And, while their defense is still very solid, they just don’t have the scoring. I don’t see McGrady playing more than 50 games.
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
by koyote on Oct 26, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, Scola played heavy minutes over the summer
can he stay healthy all season? If he goes down, they are toast.
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
by koyote on Oct 26, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And some teams have to have bad records
I mean unless everyone ends up stomping East Conference teams or ends up 41-41 or something, the very nature of the season is that some teams will end up winning twenty-some games and others will win sixty-some.
by Seven06Renault on Oct 26, 2009 8:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I agree
The NBA, like all sports, is zero sum. Everyone can’t improve (unless the West absolutely destroys the East). But what I think we may see is a situation similar to what we saw in the East last year, where there is much more parity across the conference. Instead of having clear Haves and Have-Nots, the West may be more of a continuum with a bunch of teams inhabitting the middle.
by UDUB on Oct 26, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sacto, Minnny and maybe Golden State
Will still not be that much better, if at all, but the bottom teams are definitely improving as a general rule.
The reason I include GS btw is the whole Steven Jackson thing.
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by skywaker9 on Oct 26, 2009 9:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In terms of the Western Conference this is how I see it
LA =
SA =+
Portland =+
Denver =-
Utah =+
Dallas =
NO =-
Phoenix -
LAC +
Houston —
Golden State -
Memphis =
Minnesota =
OKC +
Sacramento =-
by boppitywop on Oct 26, 2009 10:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
pretty good prediction
But I think Utah will be 4th and Denver will be 5th (although that doesn’t really matter). And I think Golden State because the second worst team in the Conference. There’s just too much not going on there. They don’t have breakout talent and Curry is too young to carry a team. And I think Minnesota will do better than Memphis because A.I. is a douche.
Well let me welcome everybody to the wild wild west. A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness.
by pharoah on Oct 26, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can somneone tell me how this team will only win 25 games(and I'm not even counting S-jax)?!?
Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins, Anthony Randolph, Anthony Morrow, Stephen Curry, Kelena Azubuike, Corey Maggette, Rony Turiaf, Brendan Wright,…
by buky on Oct 26, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don Nelson's crazy coaching and the inability to guard anyone
I think they could get to 30 but not much further.
by jksnake99 on Oct 26, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don Nelson stil has won more games than anyone in this league
and we won 29 without our best player last year, and with Randolph being a rookie. I think our range is somewhere from 35 to 45 depends on our health.
by buky on Oct 27, 2009 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just for reference
(I posted some of this in the main page discussion)
Against these teams, our record was:
3-1 Oklahoma City
3-1 Clippers
1-2 Golden State
4-0 Minnesota
4-0 Memphis
3-0 Sacramento
18-4 total. This year, we play 24 games against these teams, four against each, instead of 22, due to the unbalanced schedule. I like our chances of getting 19-20 wins out of these games, even though most of these teams have improved.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 26, 2009 11:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Where do you think we get the six losses come from?
Just curious. I can see us dropping one against each of those first four teams. And maybe possibly one against Memphis, or a second one against one of the others. I don’t see us losing to Sacramento, and I certainly don’t see us losing the season series to any of these teams.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 26, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
one of OKC/GSW/LAC will beat us twice
and the others will beat us once. Memphis will get us once also. 19-5 or even 20-4 is certainly in play, but if forced to make a pick, I would go with 18-6.
by jksnake99 on Oct 26, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's your pessimism and my optimism
You can see how we could lose six, or win 20, so you say 18-6. I can see how we could lose six, or win 20, so I say 20-4. Of course, anywhere from 16 to 22 wins could happen, I suppose.
We’ll probably win 19 of them, right between the two of us. :)
Actually, I’m quite a bit more concerned about those 2 games in OKC now. I would much rather see Nic defending Durant than Martell.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 26, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take comfort in the fact...
…that Durant won’t be guarding anyone…
by Ilikeemall on Oct 26, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Quoted for truth
“Durant won’t be guarding anyone…”
by Gregoriun on Oct 26, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whil every team experiences some injuries, including the Blazers...
It is very likely that some other team experiences a devastating “rash of injuries” and that the Blazers don’t. It’s simple consequence of the way that probabilities work. Say there’s each team has a 1 in 15 chance of a rash of injuries each season. It follows that most seasons the Blazers will not experience a rash of injuries, but at least on team in the West will. It also helps that the Blazers are relatively deep.
Last season, the injuries to Jefferson and Brewer were big reasons that Minnesota was as bad as it was. Injuries also hobbled the Clippers and Warriors to a lesser extent. I expect at least one team to suffer in a similar way.
by PoliSam on Oct 26, 2009 12:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
funny that I posted that...
and now see that Batum is going to miss some time. Fortunately, I’d put that in the non-devastating injury column.
by PoliSam on Oct 26, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not devastating
but frustrating. Thankfully we got a boat load of talented small forwards.
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
by koyote on Oct 26, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
definitely a bummer for Batum
I really hope the recovery time is at the shorter end of the spectrum, because playing for a significant amount of time again this year would really help his development.
by PoliSam on Oct 26, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too
I was hoping for a big leap from him, which is usually the case in the sophomore season. The good news is that he should be back around the all star break, when we will definitely need him.
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
by koyote on Oct 26, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
I expect to see 2 or 3 less wins than last season. Most likely 4th seed again, and a much better showing in playoffs with Portland being eliminated either in the second round or WCF.
So maybe 51 or 52 wins, running a little deeper in the playoffs. Still an improvement I’d say. Obviously I’d love to see them take a step up to the 56 to 59 wins mark I just don’t realistically see that happening unless this Batum injury is only on we see all season. Not likely.
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by NoiseMekanik on Oct 26, 2009 6:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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