Aldridge Signing Is a Turning Point for Player, Coach and GM
In and Out of the Limelight
LaMarcus Aldridge didn't dress up for his big day, no monogrammed shirts or tailored suits like Brandon Roy. Just a white tee and some sweats. Aldridge didn't even appear all that excited to be a part of the official announcement, looking down regularly during the short press conference and fidgeting with his hands whenever Kevin Pritchard complimented him. He did manage to crack a joke or two that brought polite laughter. Otherwise the vibe was more "get me out of here!" than "I've made it to the top of the world!"
Typical Aldridge.
His shy attitude was no surprise, his humble responses in line with everything he's said during his last three years as a Blazer. He called the promise of his new-found wealth "kinda crazy" and "a blessing," and admitted that inking the extension was "a burden off my shoulders."
I got the sense over the last few weeks that Aldridge's "burden" was the constant media scrutiny about his ongoing negotiations rather than any stress over the actual negotiations. The perfect contrast to teammate Brandon Roy, who stoked media attention by going on Seattle radio to express his frustrations, Aldridge tired quickly of giving the media daily progress reports and left the back-and-forth and fine-print details to his agents.
With extension signed and press conference completed, Aldridge can retreat to his comfort zone: playing second fiddle. Indeed, Aldridge will earn nearly max compensation without needing to deal with the single-minded scrutiny that usually accompanies that kind of paycheck. Sure, detractors will continue to get on him for his "softness" and modest rebounding numbers, but as long as Brandon Roy is around and healthy, Roy will garner more accolades and bear the bulk of the responsibility when things don't go as planned. It seems like a trade-off -- less fame but less criticism -- that Aldridge is happy to make.
Kevin Pritchard doesn't quite see it like that. He told me after Friday's press conference, "I think [Brandon and LaMarcus are] lucky to have each other. When you have a good team, you have 3 or 4 of those guys that you can depend on. And ultimately that's what we want to get to. 3, 4, 5 guys with a collective responsibility so it's not [any individual's] responsibility to win a game." A nice ideal, sure, and a good internal culture to cultivate. But look no further than the last two NBA seasons -- Kobe failed! LeBron failed! -- to realize that fans and media at large aren't believers in collective responsibility. Stars win rings or they fail. That's the name of the game in the NBA. Roy is a star; Aldridge, not quite.
There's Room For Growth
Pritchard started Friday's press conference by stating that Aldridge has "exceeded far and above what we expected from him 3 years ago" and that he is "as good as it comes on the court." Pritchard hailed his power forward as a "franchise cornerstone and an amazing person." McMillan echoed those sentiments calling LaMarcus a "good player with great potential."
Push a little harder, though, and it's clear that Aldridge's contract extension is as much about what he can and should do over the next six years than it was about what he's accomplished in his first three. "I think every year expectations and pressure increase whether you're winning or losing," Nate McMillan told me on Friday. So are expectations magnified on Aldridge specifically because of his new extension? "The contract? Of course, that's part of it, " McMillan admitted. "LaMarcus knows he's a good player, that he has to continue to work and get better, there's still room for improvement with LaMarcus and we'll do that. He needs to improve on both ends of the floor."
Nate's list of potential improvements for LaMarcus was surprisingly long, and candid. "Offensively, [LaMarcus can improve] making passes, attacking the offensive glass, handling the ball. Defensively, [he can improve] rebounding the ball, defending [his man]. On both sides, there's room for him to grow."
Asked for his own list of improvements, General Manager Kevin Pritchard directed the question to McMillan, as he often does. Asked if he agreed with Nate's list and with the general premise that there was work to be done in all facets of the game, Pritchard said he did.
It's Great Timing
Although everyone seems to agree Aldridge can and should take steps forward this year and in coming years, there was also a consensus about the importance -- both immediate and long-term -- of this contract extension for the organization. "We've secured him for a long time," Nate said, almost exhaling. "To be able to get that behind [us] is good for everybody. To be able to do it before the season, the timing is great for us. I know that [LaMarcus] is happy it's behind him and [Thursday] night after signing he looked like the old LaMarcus. I'm happy it's been done and he can move on and we as an organization can move on."
I asked Pritchard if he addressed this signing with Aldridge the same way he had earlier this summer with Brandon Roy, issuing a challenge of sorts and getting the player to think about his destiny and ultimate goals. Pritchard smiled and said simply, "I haven't had a chance to sit down with him. This happened very quick. It kind of ebbs and flows in the negotiations and all of a sudden you're right there and you get it done."
But is that same talk coming? Does Pritchard approach this not-quite-max signing in the same manner as he did the Roy's max deal? "There's no doubt I will have a talk with LaMarcus about expectations. But it's a balancing because I want him to go play free and true without him being inhibited by his contract. I know he's going to play hard every night. He plays his tail off, he very rarely misses games, he plays the right way. So it's more about him increasing what he does. Being more dominant, being more vocal, taking over as a leader. He has a voice with this team. Without a doubt, everyone on the team respects him."
Now the pieces start to come together, the GM's expectations start to crystallize: improve on offense, improve on defense, improve as a leader, build off the first three years.
Pritchard Turns A Page
LaMarcus Aldridge can get back to basketball and Nate McMillan can breathe a sigh of relief and turn his focus back to juggling his lineups. But what's next for Kevin Pritchard, now that his off-season is effectively over thanks to the Aldridge extension and the Patty Mills signing? Shopping Travis Outlaw Pritchard disputed the notion that his job was done for awhile and said he would focus his attention on bringing together the group he has helped assemble. "I'm pretty active in talking with the guys, seeing where they are, and seeing how I can help on a daily basis. I would say some of the heavy lifting is done, but more importantly now I have to help the team in terms of developing a chemistry."
Pritchard also dismissed concerns raised in recent weeks that chemistry might be an on-going problem, pointing to the team's 20 point blowout of the Phoenix Suns in their final preseason game as evidence that progress was being made. "I saw the game [Thursday] night, you could start to see things turn. It was unbelievable," Pritchard told me. "The question is, 'Can we maintain that?'
"Chemistry and how you feel about the team goes up and down by wins. You lose a couple you can get down. My job is to make sure we're calm waters. Win a few? Calm waters. Lose a few? Calm waters."
Does that make Andre Miller an iceberg? Jerryd Bayless a potential tidal wave? Questions for another day, I suppose. It was clear from both Pritchard's forcefulness and his uncharacteristically jovial demeanor on Friday that he's happy and relieved that the truly rough seas -- those two intense, big-dollar extension negotiations -- are behind him.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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It means Jerryd Bayless is drowning...
…let’s all throw him a brick.
blah blah blah blah lame comment - lame commenter
by Bandwagon Butcher on Oct 25, 2009 8:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rambling
Cannot wiat for the season to begin. Clearly Ben had nothing to say, but felt compelled to write something. At least LA understands his “second fiddle” role.
Ben: We know you can do better.
by pacnworegon on Oct 25, 2009 8:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if you were a little more specific in your criticism?
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Oct 25, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
harsh
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Oct 25, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LaMarcus Aldridge should be the third fiddle played by whoever is coaching by the 2010-2011 season.
Once Greg Oden blossoms into full bloom, Aldridge needs to be knocked down from a secondary role to a tertiary role.
Sadly, though, I doubt an organization with a dimwitted owner, a general manager who cares more about “chemistry” and bringing in the “best player available” than maintaining roster balance, and a coach with no experience developing a mutli-talented pivotman is cognitively capable of comprehending that fact.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 25, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with your main point
although I’ll always be more pro-Nate than you are. Greg showed flashes this pre-season that make me think he might even supplant (or at least join) Roy as the number one offensive option as early as next season (I still think this is a growth year for him, with the year after being the beginning of his 20+ ppg potential window). I hope that eventually Miller supplants Blake, leading to a brisker offensive pace, even in the halfcourt, and more of an effort from the primary ball handler to feed GO, but the integration of Greg Oden into the core of the offense remains an area of concern, imo.
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Oct 25, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you for the most part, but with some differences in opinion.
I like the slow-paced tempo, which the one area wherein I’m on the same page as Nate McMillan. With McMillan, though, my problems with him are his inability to coach up players defensively and use a center as one of the two main options. While I’m fine with Brandon Roy being the go-to guy in isolation sets late in games, Greg Oden must get his touches on offense.
Now, it seems Roy and Andre Miller are an all-around poor fit together. That’s not really a shocker, though, as anyone who follows the NBA and knows their ball-dominant ways would cause them to clash with each other. Miller, however, is a perfect distributor for Oden — while Roy is still tentative toward the big guy — so that may create a disconnect, if not a rift between two factions on the club.
Still, my guess is that it won’t blow up in a massive eruption, since Miller doesn’t have any pull on the team and Oden is more likely to fall in line with whatever McMillan and Roy ask of him—even if their desire doesn’t fully utilize his potential. McMillan and Roy have got LaMarcus Aldridge in their corner, too, so Oden may see locker room politics hold him back now and possibly into the future.
I’d personally like to see Kevin Pritchard finally get a clue — ‘cause it’s beginning to look like he’s great at dismantling and rebuliding a roster, but not sharp enough to put on the finishing touches — but him and McMillan are joined at the hip with Paul Allen guiding the ship.
Even if McMillan bolts on his own accord for greener pastures (e.g., Los Angeles) in a year or two, I fear that Pritchard would try to put his own stamp on the team by hiring a coach that fits his style — as Steve Patterson and John Nash were around when McMillan was brought in back in 2005 — although there’s some San Antonio disciples (e.g., Mike Budenholzer) who I wouldn’t be totally against bringing in to replace McMillan.
All things considered, my choice at replacing McMillan still lies firmly with Jeff Van Gundy. As it is, Van Gundy runs a slow-pace offense, makes an impact defensively — so watch out Roy, for you’ll finally have to put out some effort — rather than spouts empty rhetoric like McMillan, and is good at running a controlled offense centered around an iso happy shooting guard and pick-and-roll pivot.
Okay, I’m done rambling incoherently for the time being here. Take what you will from what I wrote, though.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 25, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Up until this year Nate has never had a center worthy of being a 1st or 2nd option.
In Nates years in Seattle all they had were a bunch of stiffs & nobodys.I find it presumptuous for someone to say someone can’t do something they have never had a chance to try. No coach was ever going to turn Robert Swift or any of the other stiffs Nate had in Seattle into legitimate offensive options. As much as I love Joels game he is what he is & Oden was nowhere near ready last year for more then he did.
As for JVG he would take a team that is enjoyable to watch & turn it into the most boring yawn producing teams in the NBA. Yes I want to win but I would like it to be entertaining in the process. Let JVG coach the Clippers.
"BEER IS LIVING PROOF THAT GOD LOVES US"
- Benjamin Franklin-
by We-B-Dunkin on Oct 25, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Presumptuous" isn't a strong enough word for what you describe
I’ll coin a new one. “AKistic”
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 26, 2009 5:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol
Re kp .. Hilarious and so true
tertiary roll is still important and I think regardless if nate recognizes your “obvious point” this progression will happen naturally . Of
course this
hinges on oden remaining healthy and mentally stable..
2 things no
1
can guarantee at this
point lol
s
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 10:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I do agree that Greg has to show he will remain on the court before he gets more focus in the offense
But that might happen as early as next week. I anticipate that real refs and a quick Houston team will stress Greg and Joel to clean up messes right away.
As for mentally stable that is a pretty strong term. Greg has not been suicidal or maniacal to my knowledge and is stable enough for society. Can he stay positive through adversity? No doubt what you meant and that answer will get answered relatively shortly as well. I personally believe in Greg. I think at this time next year we will be looking at our 2nd max player in this era. His contributions this year will be enormous with Joel at his back and the team so talented. Greg will have more opportunity to show dominance improvement than maybe any other center in the game.
As for agreeing with the rest of the judgmental post above yours, I question the slip-up from the wisdom that usually underlies your brilliant presence here. The trashing of the three is such a tired old game he plays while ignoring the remarkable achievements produced. Rather than being sucked into a never-ending cycle of bombastic arrogance there I will simply ask if you really believe:
that the man who started the most rapidly successful startup company in business history and provided technical guidance in its early years should be called dimwitted by a person of youth, inexperience and likely far inferior wealth (how’s that for understatement?) is to be embraced?;
that calling out the general manager whose vision and perceptive strength has transformed the ugliest period of our Blazer history to the beginning of what many of us believe to be our brightest era to care more about roster balance (whatever the definition of that is) than character and bringing talent to the team is to be embraced (presumably wanting more Stephon Marbury or Jamaal Tinsley over Juwan Howard who he has so heatedly characterized as worthless)?;
As for a coach who cannot develop a center (skipping all the adjectives we will stick with all-time HOF centers – the only standard he might embrace) he conveniently omits that there are only a few coaches who can claim this credential: Larry Costello, Neil Johnston, Matt Guokas/Brian Hill, and Bill Fitch are no longer coaching but Larry Brown would certainly answer the phone if Paul Allen’s money is offered. Our coach however was so successful in coaching up an center that he earned Jerome James a full MLE ($25M) free agent contract the next year. Now that took some kind of coaching! But I digress – the claim that our coach is cognitively incapable concerning basketball which is colored by the fan whose franchise was abandoned by Mr Sonic when he was cognitively capable of discerning its coming demise?
I appeal to you oh empress of erudition to return to your throne and renounce the impostor who has slipped into your presence with his nightly folly.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Oct 26, 2009 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You seem overly fond of the appeal to authority fallacy.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 26, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Appeal to authority?
That’s the second time I’ve seen you use that argument. Someone references an outside source that you don’t agree with and suddenly it’s a “fallacy of logic”. It’s the same argument my Grandmother makes when I try to tell her that vitamins won’t cure everything. Just because a Doctor said it doesn’t make it true, she says. Technically she is correct, but the opinions of experts should hold weight. Carrot juice won’t cure cancer.
KP isn’t infallible because he’s in a position of authority, but he does have more experience doing his job than your average basketball blogger. What he says holds weight because he has access to information that we simply do not.
We don’t have the time to become experts in everything. That’s why I take my doctors advice about medical issues over a layperson and the same reason I presume KP knows more about basketball than you.
I think a little, tinny bit of respect is due, especially considering how far the Blazers have come.
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 26, 2009 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's a weak argument from AK
There was no appeal to authority fallacy in that post.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 26, 2009 5:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I went a bit overboard there.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Oct 26, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
whn I said
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 26, 2009 4:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Sophia
I have a question about “mentally stable”.
Last year, Greg struggled with mental toughness or whatever you want to call it. But don’t you think that the fact he was recovering from major injury was the biggest component to that?
If you look at all the tables of stress factors that can cause people to struggle mentally/emotionally, what Greg went through in the last couple of years was simply off the charts. It is the type of sequence of events that can cause even very strong individuals to struggle, and he was just a kid, uprooted from his home environment, away from everyone he knew, in a strange town, with greater spotlight than he’d ever had before.
Do you really think “mentally stable” is an issue, or is it just whether he just needs to stay healthy for a while?
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 26, 2009 5:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot to add dealing with the death of his best friend.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Oct 26, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
So much happened. And just coming back from serious illness or injury can have this kind of effect on a person even if none of the rest happens.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 26, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow way to hold an extremely pessimistic view of an extremely positive situation.
i guess the rest of the nation is wrong about the Blazers being a rising force and you alone hold all the knowledge. we mine as well call u god, shouldn’t we?
by 64-18 on Oct 25, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um ...
I though the article was a nice insightful piece, taking a loose news hook and using it to display some of the one-on-one conversation topics that few of us get to have with KP and Coach Nate.
Not sure how much “better” it could be done given the circumstances (two day old story).
"Is it always like this?" Collins said after the scrimmage. "It was like the first game of the NBA playoffs or something."
by Y5k on Oct 25, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you have feedback for Ben or Dave
Then please email them directly so as not to disrupt the conversation about the actual topic. They are both responsive.
I get the paper, so I don't care!
by Name's Ash on Oct 26, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a great read! Thanks Ben!
Now LMA can get to kickin butt on the court!
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Oct 25, 2009 8:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Brandon's sporting a new "look"
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 25, 2009 8:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Pritchard told me", "He told me...", "I asked Pritchard"...
Sounds a lot like the John Canzano school of Journalism.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
by Arby on Oct 25, 2009 8:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
harsh
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Oct 25, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If ya don't like it then
don’t read it.
by Roybot on Oct 25, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how will I know if I like it or not till I read it?
by The Arkitect on Oct 26, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stop reading when you figure out you don't like it
and don’t complain since no one made you continue to read it.
by Roybot on Oct 26, 2009 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sound like u went to the Stephen A Smith school of Haters
lessssss go
by dougall5505 on Oct 25, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say some of the heavy lifting is done, but more importantly now I have to help the team in terms of developing a chemistry
One less wing, one more big
and KP’s “heavy lifting” will truly be done
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 25, 2009 8:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Going by Nate's statements to Brian T. Smith, it doesn't sound like he plans moves. Rather trying to develop what is there and mold it into what he needs (e.g. more D from Travis).
That fits with what KP is saying.
by Norsktroll on Oct 25, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
trying to develop what is there and mold it into what he needs (e.g. more D from Travis)
I guess watching Outlaw “trying” to defend Boozer wasn’t convincing enough?
(see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 25, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't your best article of course...
But I enjoyed reading it considering you had to make a story out of pretty much nothing.
Nate: Repeats what we know.
KP: Repeats what we know.
Aldridge: Tries to say nothing.
I was starvin’ for Blazer news, and this piece was a decent meal. Nothing fancy, but with what the chef had to work with, it was good.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Oct 25, 2009 8:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What's with the Ben Bashing? How else should we fill
the time before the opening game? Reading patronizing and pedantic comments by posters who believe they know just how to run the team? Reading even more patronizing and pedantic comments by posters critiquing each player’s every move? Even more inane comments telling us just what every player, the GM, the coach and the owner are thinking and scheming? I’m sick to death of it.
Thank you for your post, Ben. It’s refreshing. Lets play ball!
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Oct 25, 2009 9:06 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
In a perverse form of flattery...
Folks hanging out on a blog are demanding the quantity and quality one might expect from a professional news publication that has paid staff and a budget.
by conspirator5 on Oct 25, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you believe ben and Dave do not
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 9:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Get paid...?
as far a professional , both ben and Dave are college educated and professionals.. Ben has several national and local published works… “traditional” news outlets , like the oregonian are on the outs , blazersedge is the highest earning and most popular blazers news outlet in the market right now and it’s not even close
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 9:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Paid or not they still crank out the best
material on the Blazers, whether locally or nationally.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Oct 25, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly .. And it's not even close
Sighhhhhhhhh
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 9:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
"What makes you believe ben and Dave do not [...] Get paid...?"
Well, to the best of my knowledge, Dave and Ben aren’t on the payroll of Sportsblogs, Inc. (i.e., Blazeredge’s parent company) — which is a subsidy of Kos Media, LLC — though, you’d have to ask them for confirmation.
I, for whatever it’s worth, think that Dave manages Blazersedge due to his love and passion for the game, while Ben reports on team as a way to jumpstart his career in sports media.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 25, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lmao
…. Think what u want ..
Sophia
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 9:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Also , when u say "best of your knowledge"
I assume you have concrete evidence that the blog/site is not.paid by sportsblog (markos liberal money) to remain on the network, right?
Mayb you do and aren’t at liberty to share ? Or it was just a guess which is likely.
I am w Anne. Paid or unpaid ben and Dave are far better than the competition ..
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 9:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
What I mean by "to the best of my knowledge" is I know which corporation owns ...
this website through simple Internet research. I frankly couldn’t care less about who rakes in the dough financially through ads on Blazersedge, as I’d come here even if some mass murderer was profiting due to the product being worth my investment — which in this case is nothing more than time — which is a testament to the fine work Dave and Ben do at this joint.
Anyhow, I believe that in the past both Dave and Ben clearly stated that they do this pro bono; thus, their motives aren’t monetary. For Dave, I assume it’s for his enjoyment of the game and running a blog. For Ben, I assume it’s a way to get his foot in the door of the sports media world.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 25, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And really not one of us are in a position to
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 10:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Know the financial situation of ben or Dave lol
And the point is regardless this site provides highly professional content and analysis … So yeah just makes me mad that posters in here are treating professional writers like they could do better ..
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 10:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Semantically, I think that Dave and Ben are technically amateurs due to them ...
not being paid for their production. With that said, their outstanding work goes to show that you don’t have to be a professional in the sports media — whether it’s print, online, or elsewhere — to develop a wide audience.
From a marketing viewpoint, Dave could theoretically break free from the corporate stranglehold, show some entrepreneurship, and create his own website centered around the Blazers. I doubt he’d ever do it, though.
Y’know, that’s easier said than done. As it is, even widely read independent sports blogs — such as U.S.S. Mariner — aren’t financially viable for the most part. All in all, it’s hard to make a living off of blogs unless you’re at the top of the food chain and have cheap labor — or free, as is the case at Blazersedge — working under you.
For Ben, I still stand by my belief that Blazersedge is pretty much a stepping stone for him. Ultimately, his goal most assuredly is to someday launch off from here and make a livelihood in the rocky world of sports media.
With the print medium a dying model, Ben made a sound choice by working free as a reporter for a blog — which garners him a lot of attention regarding networking — rather than try to work his way up in the newspaper industry by starting as a lowly intern at some rinky-dink publication in a podunk town. This way, Ben can jump a rung or two on the ladder as he makes his way to the top.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 25, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's the case I hope Ben can attain his goals.
He’s certainly proved he has the ability here at the Bedge.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Oct 25, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave has broached this topic before, they make a pittance of an amount from the advertising on the site, most of which is put back into the site as prizes for the Jersey contest and similar fun things they do for us the dear readers. As of the last time Dave talked about it, he was not receiving any additional funds from SBN, Yahoo or any entity outside of the advertisers. They both do it cause they Love the team… Ben may have designs on something grander eventually, much like Casey who came before him, but I think this is as far as Dave goes… He’s got a good little niche carved out, why mess with that
by The Arkitect on Oct 26, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, you summed it up better than myself.
I, sir, give you kudos, so carry on my good man.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 26, 2009 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Dave wants to go much further
in blogging. He want’s to make this site the best of it’s kind but he has a higher calling, which is more important to him. :)
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Oct 26, 2009 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Dave has reached his own personal summit.
Ben has much further up the moutain to climb, though.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 26, 2009 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To the best of my knowledge, AK is wrong
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again.
But I could be wrong.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 26, 2009 5:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I doubt you are wrong....
;-)
"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green
by antediluvian on Oct 26, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The site does make money, but not a lot for the editors according to Dave who laughed at the thought that it makes him a 5-figure amount
And there are some costs involved, not even counting just the regular computer and internet access. Ben traveled to Vegas for summer league, goes to practices during the work day and in the evening, etc. for which he doesn’t get reimbursed by the Blazers or a news organization. Dave donates jerseys, tickets, etc.
Now surely there would be a way to monetize the site if they did it themselves, but then they wouldn’t have the SBN infrastructure and promotion. In the end it would pay more, potentially a lot more, but it would be jumping through a number of hoops to get back to where it now is.
by Norsktroll on Oct 26, 2009 3:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
said the Venus fly trap in the "little shop of horrors"
“feed me”
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 25, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Furthermore this
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 9:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
"blog" is
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 9:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
more professional, features more analysis and in depth coverage than anything
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 9:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Else ..
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 9:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Anne I love u, thanks for bein a constant
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 9:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
:) How's Q?
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Oct 25, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's doin well still v sick
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 9:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
This is getting bad lol keep accidentally pressing enter
…he’s still sick but meds r doin their job ..
Thx 4 askin .. How
r u doin? Gettin excited 4 the season ?
S
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 9:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I can hardly wait. My teeth itch I'm so excited.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Oct 25, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
H1N1? Poor little guy.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Oct 25, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually it's a bad case of bronchitis
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 9:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I know you're taking care of him so no worries.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Oct 25, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Voice of reason
… cannot
believe people suggest the writers , ben and Dave, aren’t professional or don’t provide the quality of a tradional news outlet .. Complete trash and very disrespectful
ughh now I’m so mad
sophia
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 9:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to believe people behave that way
that’s what makes forgiving and forgetting so important a value….
I'm gonna put the kibosh on you. You know I've kiboshed before. And I will kibosh again.
by bow4meow on Oct 26, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you, ATF.
Ben’s just doing his job here, which is a damn fine one at that.
If anything, I’m more inclined to bash the organization. It deserves it, anyhow.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 25, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this made me laugh
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
by cloudydays on Oct 26, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben.haters
Everywhere what the hell? Where would thing blog be without ben and his
media pass? This is
absurd and I’m with Anne, we appreciate the work you do for us the readers ben. Thank you .
-Sophia
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 9:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
This *
Iphone commenting is difficult lol
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 25, 2009 9:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fed up with the quality of your comments, Sophia.
I know you can do better.
Set it up or shut it down.
/s
"Is it always like this?" Collins said after the scrimmage. "It was like the first game of the NBA playoffs or something."
by Y5k on Oct 25, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oooops ...
I meant “Step it up”
irony strikes again.
http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/Year5000
by Y5k on Oct 25, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering about that
I thought you were impersonating QualityPie or Walkoff
by tominhawaii on Oct 26, 2009 5:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just rec'd Sophia
Please, can the regular season start? I would hate to have to do that again.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 26, 2009 5:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this one was a relief for KP
I never doubted it would get done, but there was definitely a risk of an acrimonious/drawn out process here, especially if Tellam was militant about the max. I wish the front office shared my view that the backup 4 is still a spot that should be improved if possible, but if this is the squad, I’m comfortable for the most part. It will be interesting to see who is left in the lurch as far as the rotation goes when the season starts, I think Travis needs to come out hot or Howard might overtake him, bringing my list of “OMG is he happy here” guys to Travis, Rudy, Bayless, and Miller.
Thanks Ben.
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Oct 25, 2009 9:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Every where I go
I read slams about someone. I think it is time for the season to start to get over the anxiety irritabilities. Called Bitching
hg
by BBK on Oct 25, 2009 10:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wellcome to the blogosphere
I believe it is a requirement to take a shot a player by OP and then the commenters are required to take a shot at the OP and each other.
by tominhawaii on Oct 26, 2009 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alls I have to say is 1 day 20 hours and 37 seconds
by tevisthe4th on Oct 25, 2009 10:19 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
... 35 sec
http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/Year5000
by Y5k on Oct 25, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Er............rec.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Oct 25, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec!
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Oct 25, 2009 10:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice work, Ben.
Violet Palmer is so much worse than being HIV positive. -staylost
by TheTinfoil on Oct 25, 2009 11:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Junk Drawer, Trade Drawer, and now it seems like we need a Bitch Drawer
Always great stuff Ben, thanks for your hard work
by broyposse on Oct 25, 2009 11:34 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
!!!
Think of the children, broyposse!! The children!!
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by CaptainSexyJacob on Oct 25, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Revenge!!!
Is it Tuesday,yet,Or what
by DowntownVinnie on Oct 25, 2009 11:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WTH
This site had an interesting vernacular today.
by DowntownVinnie on Oct 25, 2009 11:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
by cloudydays on Oct 26, 2009 12:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not @ ben's post
but @ the lack of “professionalism” shown by the commenters.
STEP IT UP BEDGE WE KNOW YOU CAN DO BETTER!!!!
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
by cloudydays on Oct 26, 2009 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say something
but it’s probably better for the junk drawer.
by Roybot on Oct 26, 2009 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate both the post with meaningful content and excellent writing and Ben who flat brings it every day
Enough of the boo birds – bring on the season!
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Oct 26, 2009 12:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
See, we agree on one thing.
Undoubtedly, Ben does a fine job.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 26, 2009 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Ben.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
by pxilpooshr on Oct 26, 2009 1:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One thing I thought Ben the Blogger would comment on:
The frequency of which KP called LA a “kid”.
I listened to the press conference and it struck me as just short of condescending. LA’s white Tshirt was also short of a respectful approach (IMO).
It reminded me a little of the Trader Bob era.
put a body on 'em
by RayBourque on Oct 26, 2009 1:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
To KP, LaMarcus is a kid. In this photo KP is looking at LaMarcus
as he would a much loved son.
The original is on Casey’s blog at the Blazers site, you can enlarge it to see what I mean.
LaMarcus’ shirt is clean and neat. If people have to find such petty stuff to harp about they should consider themselves lucky.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Oct 26, 2009 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a white shirt
KP makes a black guy wear a white shirt to his press conference. The high powered executive sits there in a coat and tie while the hired help has to wear a white t-shirt. Let’s just analyze the symbolism behind that for a minute. This would not happen in other places, but since Portland is 98% white and Jewish, the team is knuckling under. I’m fed up with it.
All you have to do is look around. Most of the new additions to the team. I mean, Andre went to Utah — white and Mormon. Pendergraph went to Arizona State. How many black people are there in Arizona? And then there is Mills. An Aussie. Aussies don’t play basketball. Maybe a big white stiff might make it as a journeyman, but in general, the Aussies are white, of British descent, and slow.
And if you had any doubt, Mills was added to the roster for “non-basketball reasons”. Is that a red flag or what?
And don’t try to tell me that the black kid makes more money than the old white guy. I don’t want to hear it. That’s tokenism, pure and simple. Who cares about facts of substance, when there is symbolism to discuss?
Did someone say the regular season starts soon? Please?
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 26, 2009 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
reminds me of the old TV series "White Shadow"
where the big center kid went to Hollywood to do a TV show and in the “final episode” they had him shining shoes and asked him to whistle a happy tune
thank goodness these stereotypes have been broken down during my lifetime—in most areas of the country, anyway
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 26, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Ben
I really appreciate how BEdge is a place to discuss basketball……and not a place for morons to spout off, are the O-live forums.
"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green
by antediluvian on Oct 26, 2009 9:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They let me spout off here
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 26, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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