They're Baaaa...ack.
The AP is reporting that NBA Officials have reached a two-year agreement with the league, meaning that the regular season will open with standard refs in place. Rumor has it that the league captiulated on the last sticking point: who would pay the extra fee for guide dogs flying in the cargo hold. After that it was a done deal.
In the end the fracas amounted to a little more discombobulation and frustration during the pre-season, an extended vacation for the officials, and a whole new set of blacklisted potential future refs. Let's hope they're wise enough to avoid this in 2011.
For now, the good news is that we'll not have Morton Splurdly, Shecky Gruberman, and Joey Noname trying to decide what's a foul on Greg Oden and what's not.
The bad news is that we'll have Steve Javie, Bill Spooner, and Violet Palmer.
As we've mentioned before this is good for the Blazers, but most will probably consider it a mixed blessing approximately 26 seconds into the season.
Nevertheless, welcome back.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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most will probably consider it a mixed blessing approximately 26 seconds into the season.
Is that when GO fouls out?
by shralpster on Oct 23, 2009 11:28 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
That is some pretty suckish bad news.
The bad news is that we’ll have Steve Javie, Bill Spooner, and Violet Palmer.
Kobe is my profile pic because of this beatdown I received.
by prezofdeath on Oct 23, 2009 11:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep. This may have been the definition of "no-win".
by Timmay! on Oct 23, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know...
…having watched the Utah debacle on Tuesday, I’m not so sure it holds the same dread for me anymore. I mean, MOST of the officials are at least competent to call the games. Maybe they have agendas. Maybe they hold grudges against certain franchises. Maybe they’re occasionally boneheaded. And almost all are arrogant, stubborn, and I wouldn’t invite them over for dinner.
But at the very least, they can be consistent with their calls. They can keep up with the pace of the game, and recognize what the calls probably SHOULD be.
Which is more than you can say for any of the replacements.
Portland Trail Blazers, Future World Champions 2010-2021.
by Majikj0n on Oct 24, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, you really fell for Stern's master plan :)
“Oh well, that was a horribly botched call, but at least they’re not as incompetent as the replacement refs. Move ahead, nothing to be seen here.”
by Norsktroll on Oct 24, 2009 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
CONSPIRACY THEORY!!!!
I wouldn’t put it past Stern to have masterminded something like that…
He probably thought something like that up after the Donaghy incident, and now we’re all in love with his referees again (Well, as in love as we can get)…
"Don't put anything crazy in the papers. I'll find out who you are." -- Andre Miller
by Jeremiah S on Oct 25, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what they want you to think, Majikj0n
You’re playing right into their hands. Playing right into their hands.
"HA HA HA HA HA
I'm not laughing, I'm just listing the five ugliest Blazers ever."
- rockingharder
by jamon51 on Oct 24, 2009 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dang it Norsktroll
You had to beat me by 30 seconds.
"HA HA HA HA HA
I'm not laughing, I'm just listing the five ugliest Blazers ever."
- rockingharder
by jamon51 on Oct 24, 2009 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually the suits had this planned
If you give some one a wildly inaccurate fire arm and let have them run a few box’s through it then give them an almost mediocre fire arm it seems like an improvement
by southern oregon on Oct 23, 2009 11:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The thing I'd most like to hear about the NBA refs
is that the NBA has put them under the control of an independent organization charged with maintaining integrity and re-write the rules to be more clear and consistent. The fact that bias is talked about as much as it is (and people wonder how much it affects the results), really hurts the game. Refs in other sports blow calls, but no one talks about them favoring stars or large markets.
I think that the refs coming will make the game more enjoyable to watch; but not necessarily help the Blazers. If Greg starts picking up fouls like last season (which he hasn’t during the preseason) I’d have to conclude just the opposite. He really picked up a lot of phantom calls last year. Hopefully the regular refs see the improvement in Greg as well.
by wepto on Oct 23, 2009 11:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
With the professional refs back, the NBA has clawed its way back up to the rank of worst-officiated sport in America.
by Kaboomm on Oct 24, 2009 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
baseball umps definitely create big plays but its not star orientated other than mabey with strikezones
by riccc_l on Oct 23, 2009 11:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Strikezones stay pretty constant all game
But even the best miss a few
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Oct 24, 2009 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good-bye Rent-a-Refs, Hello UnReal Refs
They should be up to speed by New Year’s.
"I won't back down." -- Tom Petty
by MojoMan on Oct 23, 2009 11:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we need to feed greg the ball one game like 50 times against a crappy team with no center
and let him score 60+ then mabey the refs will stop
by riccc_l on Oct 23, 2009 11:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i actually like violet
i think she is the most easily swayed by fan peer pressure and boo’s
by riccc_l on Oct 23, 2009 11:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Where's Violet Palmer when we need her?" This is what I was asking after seven games of preseason.
So I want to welcome back the real ref’s. But the most important thing is that, even with the real refs:
I still reserve the right to complain! :)
by jayfisher on Oct 23, 2009 11:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think anyone who is violent should be allowed to ref the game.
We have enough violence on the streets.
Why do we want to bring that kind of stuff onto the court?
Err…uh…oh, Violet Palmer.
Never mind.
Romance me with that Roy rainbow shot which took flight from way beyond the arc and sailed so high that before it came back down to earth sealing the victory, it kissed the rafters and said "You're mine baby."
by Blazer1342 on Oct 24, 2009 12:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lol ...great Gilda Radner reference
“There are too much violins on television? What is wrong with violins on TV?”
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Oct 24, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Violet... real close to purple (and gold)
This is turrrrible news…
For once, we might have had a league where fouls were fouls, and floppers were nervous.
Where a travel is a travel, and no scrub (ref) is left behind…
Where no bookies were on speed dial… yet…
I, for one, did not buy it, David Stern. I knew all along your ploy was to show people how bad it could be… but I didn’t buy it…
Until I saw a game…
Welcome back Violet… I take back all the nasty things I ever said about you, and am so glad I get to say them all over again this season…
by Visionary2 on Oct 24, 2009 12:06 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Pretty much followed your script Dave
One of the first points they agreed on was the refs would not have to do the full training camp this year – back in June.
I am more optimitic about the time frame – 26 seconds is a little short. My over/under for most fans hating the regular refs again is the end of the 1st quarter of the 1st game.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Oct 24, 2009 12:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope that they start bringing in some new blood
Clearly we can’t just wait for all the veteran refs to retire or die before we replace them because we’ve seen what raw replacements do to the game. The league should start bringing in new refs and get them trained with veteran officials in real NBA games. Maybe I’m overblowing it, but it seems like the average age of referees is twice that of the players.
by Magnum on Oct 24, 2009 1:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ewww
I can see his veins…
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Oct 25, 2009 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked the replacement refs
they were consistent. they made A LOT of calls but they did so against all teams and all players.
Oden did not get in to much foul trouble… hopefully that does not change with the refs.
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by jpaulson on Oct 24, 2009 6:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is like Dr. Stern saying
“We cured your cancer, but in doing so, we inadvertently gave you the AIDS and you now have two years left to live.”
by tominhawaii on Oct 24, 2009 6:40 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
But think of all the weight you will have lost three years from now.
You have to look on the bright side of life. (cue whistles)
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Oct 24, 2009 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alllllllwaays look on the briiiighht siiide of liiiiiife! dah do, dah do,
doo dah da doo dah da doo!
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Oct 24, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Monty might say...
Methinks you have too many doo dahs…
Or…
Life’s a piece of…
by Visionary2 on Oct 24, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was just one extra doo.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Oct 25, 2009 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ughh… Violet Palmer is so much worse than being HIV positive.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Oct 24, 2009 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I googled list of fatal diseases but I was afraid I’d use some obscure disease and someone here would say they know someone who died from it. At least Magic gives everyone with HIV hope.
by tominhawaii on Oct 24, 2009 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
is he cured? Most people projected him being, you know, dead by now. And it isn’t just that he can afford better care as I understand it. I dunno if it’s something genetic about him or his conditioning regimen or what, but even though he’s a lifelong Laker it’s remarkable story.
by GMan83201 on Oct 24, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention he's a little chubby
It’s not like I know a lot of people who are HIV positive, just all the folks I have seen who are HIV positive, are skinny.
by tominhawaii on Oct 24, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
carriers are different than those that have the disease
by blacknoiseNW on Oct 25, 2009 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought HIV+ was different than AIDS
Are you saying there is a sub category of just HIV+ and HIV carrier?
by tominhawaii on Oct 25, 2009 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A childhood flashback:
This is like coming home when you know you are about to get punished.
There is more to an athlete than how fast they can run, they also better be able to see what they are doing and know why they are doing it.
by KINGofMACct on Oct 24, 2009 7:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody knows if steroids will be allowed for referees ?
I mean their muscles look so fake
by chuky on Oct 24, 2009 7:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ask Mark Cuban
He seems to be interested in making steroids legal for players as well
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Oct 24, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still
NFL refs > MLB Umps > NHL refs (?) > any Soccer refs > Peewee football refs > NBA refs
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by Dep H on Oct 24, 2009 8:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank god for American Idol
If it weren’t for Simon, Randy, PaulaEllen, and Kara—the NBA refs would be the worst contest officials in the world.
And with Paula gone….
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by EngineerScotty on Oct 24, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you obviously haven't been watching the MLB playoffs
Baseball is 100x easier to officiate than basketball, and the umps in the MLB playoffs have missed a ridiculous number of calls. NBA refs are a lot better.
by jksnake99 on Oct 24, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What, you expect the umpire to actually look down to see if a guy's foot is on the bag when tagged?
Or ignore that exciting outfield play to see if the ball actually lands inside the chalk?
You really ask for a lot.
by Timmay! on Oct 24, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Close...
NHL Refs are generally pretty solid, I’d argue that they’re the best refs of all sports.
Football refs are second, and then MLB Refs. From there your list is pretty accurate. ; )
"Don't put anything crazy in the papers. I'll find out who you are." -- Andre Miller
by Jeremiah S on Oct 25, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget to tip your waiter!
Even though I could tangibly hear the one beat drum roll and cymbal crash at the end of the first paragraph (Hey, it was funny) I’m glad the refs are back in place.
Having said that, I still think the N.B.A. needs to revamp, restructure and reevaluate it’s entire system. It’s pure instinct but there is something rotten in it. Something wrong with The N.B.A. being so paranoid and so adverse to any criticism that they meet any public questioning, complaining or griping by coaches or players with huge “shut up” fines.
To me in a way, it was too bad the replacement refs were so bad. Pre-Season the fans were too often painfully trying to watch a basketball game while the refs seemed to be officiating a Quidditch Match. At some point I expected a whistle to be blown and it to be announced that Brandon Roy had captured the Golden Snitch. (Drum Roll, Cymbal Crash)
In anycase, since I think The N.B.A. has real problems with their established system, I’m sorry to see things play out the way they did. The replacement attempt was so bad that the league has lost any leverage they might of thought they had. Stern needs to create a secret island where he can start training decent replacement refs for the next time the contracts expire.
Anyway, I’m glad but not particularly happy. I think the N.B.A. has real problems with their officiating system and so we’ve basicly gone from replacement refs who had good excuses for being horrible to the “Old School” Refs, who are now going to feel they are even more powerful and more irreplaceable than before.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
by Krang on Oct 24, 2009 11:00 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well...
What I did like about the replacements: less superstar calls; a travel was a travel (sorry Wade, LBJ, et al); less superstar calls; and less superstar calls.
Also, a little less of what I call “JordanNBA” – where if it looked amazing (and sold tickets, got played on ESPN, etc), it must be legal. Sorry son, that’s a carry, a travel, and a charge.
What wasn’t fun? The pace of the game was destroyed. Kinda reminded me of baseball (which I love, don’t get me wrong) where the ball is actually in-play about 10 to 15 minutes in 3 or 4 hours of a game.
And NO the “independent agency” that supposedly looked at the NBA under a microscope was an absolute joke as is the pathetic yes man, Major General Ronald L. Johnson, “its senior VP of referee operations.” The guy is a tool.
by Knobby on Oct 24, 2009 11:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Violet is not coming back...
If you guys didnt get the big news about Violet…she found another job folks and will not be coming back as a ref. I believe she was the 1st and only women’s ref in the NBA and she reffed for a long time. She is tough too…from Compton!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violet_Palmer
“Palmer was hired as coordinator of women’s basketball officials for the West Coast Conference.”
by EL_FUDGE on Oct 24, 2009 12:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great find. I didn't have any idea. Violet was turrible. She seemed to be particularly bad against us.
by dario argento on Oct 24, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No such luck guys.
SAN BRUNO, Calif. (AP) — Violet Palmer will become coordinator of women’s basketball officials for the West Coast Conference and continue to officiate in the NBA, where she has worked for 12 seasons.
Keep the dream alive though.
by Timmay! on Oct 24, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, this is just great -
Every NBA team is now ready to roll, and these refs, having missed all of pre-season, will now spend the next 8 games practicing on us! Oy vey…
by SubXero on Oct 24, 2009 3:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They'll spend the next 82 + 16 practicing...
…to get the charge / block call right
…to be consistent
.. to figure out who should get the star treatment
.. to keep the game close to keep the fans entertained
.. to reliably brings the teams DS wants into the playoffs…
I agree, they need lots of practice..
by Visionary2 on Oct 24, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm
.. to reliably brings the teams DS wants into the playoffs…
So, like, Mario Kart and Call of Duty?
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Oct 25, 2009 2:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my fear is---
that because the refs didnt get to see Gregs great pre season performance, they will only have last years performance to go by. Will they give GO the credit he deserves or will he be called for traveling or fouling every time he touches the ball? The replacement refs seemed to give GO the benefit of the doubt and he was able to play way longer minutes because they werent calling him for cheesy fouls or travels. Will these “real” ref be as nice or will they still be whistle happy vs GO?
I will say that GO has obviously worked very hard this offseason to be the player worthy of a #1 pick. That should be enough to make a big difference in how the refs treat him. Other bigs like Dwight Howard and Bynum get the benefit of the doubt because of their star status, now its GOs time.
By the way Greg averaged 13.5points and 9.2rebs per the 7 games in the preseason. With his best games being games #2 and #4 where he had 20pts and 12rebs in game #2 and he had 17pts and 13rebs in game #4.
Getting back to the refs, if they like GOS play this year, I think Greg will end up being considered for the all star game. We could have 3 possible allstars this year if you figure LMA is worthy and Brandon being a shoe in.
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by cavejunctionblazer on Oct 24, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Greg plays the same way...
..with his arms up, not out – he usually won’t get the foul call
..with well-coordinated dribbling and post up moves underneath – he won’t be called for traveling.
I like to bash refs (easy pickins), but seriously assuming Greg keeps up his pre-season type of play, I think he’ll be on the floor as long as Nate wants him there…
by Visionary2 on Oct 24, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
guide dogs in the cargo hold
bwah bwah bwah hah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
because they’re hard of seeing
well done Dave!
by 50backflips on Oct 24, 2009 4:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank God.
That last game vs. Utah was so bad I’m pretty sure I could have made some of the calls they missed.
Regarding Hedo Türkoğlu:
Look at the bright side, Blazers fans -- you dodged a bullet. He peaked statistically two years ago. He's allegedly 30 but could be closer to 32 or 33 for all we know. (Do you trust Turkish birth certificates? And isn't it weird that he played four years of pro ball in Turkey in the 1990s?)
- Bill Simmons of ESPN.com
by halo_on on Oct 24, 2009 5:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The players and coaches are part of the problem too
I want to watch basketball.
I do not want to see or hear coaches or players complaining and whining at officials. All that lobbying and crying is just as bad as the bad calls.
I can live with the no-call. I can’t stand the phantom call – the calls where the player (usually star) flops or trips or whatever and the whistle gets blown because the ref assumes the defender must have fouled him. Just call what you see and nothing more and nothing less. I think what makes NBA refs terrible at times is that they try to control the play as they expect it should happen. They should be purely spectators with whistles. Not fans, not part of the game and most certainly not part of the entertainment.
by Dobbler on Oct 24, 2009 7:01 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
coaches shouldn't be allowed to whine to the refs
T em up if they yell…
ball does lie
by In Walks Rudy on Oct 25, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just call what you see and nothing more and nothing less.
I love it
ball does lie
by In Walks Rudy on Oct 25, 2009 4:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oops, that was meant as a reply to Dobbler!
ball does lie
by In Walks Rudy on Oct 25, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool now everyone can complain like they have in years past!
wooooo. Wake me up when we want to get serious about calling the rules correctly. Until then I’ll buy into the fantasy that this is really basketball!
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Oct 26, 2009 10:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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