Blake and Outlaw are going NOWHERE
So you want to write another post about how we should trade Blake and/or Outlaw for some other PG or worthless jackass "banger 4/5" that will never get any minutes huh? Well guess what folks, it ain't going to happen.
This episode with Miller has pretty much explained the whole PG problem to me. Roy can't play with an actual PG running the team. He can't do it. That is why Blake is going to start over Miller and that is why we are not in the market for Kirk Hinrich or any other half-ass PG you think is better than Blake. If you want Roy on this team (which you do, trust me) then unfortunately (at least for the time being) it's a package deal.
Roy = Blake + Outlaw stay. Get it? Can we move on? No? *sigh*
Okay, once the season starts and scum-sucking comcast starts televising games then simply watch Blake and Roy interact. Just for a quarter. Roy runs the team once Blake brings the ball up court. Occasionally he'll do something "crazy" like pass to aldridge or oden if they are just ridiculously open, but otherwise Blake will run up the court and immediately look for Roy to hand over the ball to. "Here you go captain, I'll go sit in the corner with my dunce cap and wait for the possible 3 pt attempt."
That's the game, that's our offense and that is what got 54 wins last season. I'm hoping we can add Oden into the mix and that is really all I'm counting on at this point. Miller will be king of the scrubs and it turns out our scrubs could beat half the teams in the league, so yeah for that.
Oh and Outlaw really isn't that bad. Sorry, you ain't gettin' much for $4 mil a year in the league. Plus it keeps Roy happy having his buddy around, so frankly there could be worse things. He could be friends with Darius Miles...
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Blake isn't going anywhere
Travis will probably choose to go elsewhere. He’ll get fewer minutes this year, and be offered more money and PT elsewhere, enough more to leave. But he won’t be traded unless a great deal comes along.
And we’re going to shred the league for over 60 wins, barring major injury.
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by jscot on Oct 23, 2009 3:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and that's why Bayless is in our future, I think
Because Brandon Roy is not at his best with a classic PG like Andre Miller. The only thing Bayless needs to do is:
A) be able to bring the ball up court as well as Steve (not going to be a problem).
B) become approximately as good a spot up shooter as Steve (we’re seeing some progress).
C) learn to defend PGs better than Steve (perhaps getting close to this already).
Add to that the fact that Bayless is actually effective going to the hoop and drawing fouls, and you have a great sidekick to Brandon. If he becomes a merely adequate distributor and floor general, that’s a bonus, especially for when Brandon isn’t in the game, but not entirely necessary.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 23, 2009 3:45 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you about Bayless, but isn't that precisely why Blake needs to go?
Bayless has the potential to be a reasonably efficient combo guard next to Roy. But, he needs to play. As long as Nate clings to Blake, Bayless won’t get the minutes he needs to develop. Blake is a problem as a starter because he can’t keep quick PGs out of the lane, and because his repertoire is so limited.
To me it seems simple, give Miller time on the floor with Roy in increasing doses over the next two months. If he and Roy can learn to co-exist, package Blake with Trout and go get a fourth quality big man we are likely to need in the playoffs and in the event of injury.
It doesn’t make sense to extend Blake next summer because he is in the way the teams ability to develop any young PG. It doesn’t make sense to let Blake and Trout walk at the end of the season. The alternative is for KP to do his job; trade them both while we can. Take away Nate and Brandon’s security blanket and they will adapt.
by upper left corner on Oct 23, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Blake won't go
until Bayless shows he’s really ready for that role. This team has a shot at winning it this year. Not a great shot, but a shot. You don’t risk that for development purposes.
And I don’t really think Blake goes mid-season unless Bayless has actually surpassed him.
The main key to that is defense. If Jerryd can be well ahead of Blake on the defensive end, he’ll start to get cameo roles, at least. If that works well, he’ll grab more minutes.
I think also we need to see Brandre Royler click. I don’t think you jump Bayless into the starting lineup this year, so you need Andre to find a rhythm with Brandon.
If all those things happen, you trade Blake, perhaps.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 23, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll see early on if 60 is in play
If Roy takes a step back (even temporarily) after his summer of leisurely biking and swimming, then the Blazers will struggle to win 54 again, much less 60. I know I have brought this up 35 times, but I think it’s a point nobody likes to talk about that has more signficance than most would like to admit. We will see within the first 5 games or so whether Brandon is able to dial it back up once the regular season kicks off.
He’ll be all-star level again this year – that I don’t question. But whether he will be in the neighborhood of Kobe, second team All-NBA, PER over 24 – that is an open question. And he will need to be on that level for the Blazers to come anywhere near 60.
Most analysts would also say that Blake and Przy are likely to be much less effective this year, as well. Both their seasons qualify as outlier years – an increase of two PER points past a certain age. Getting less from those guys, and a little less from Brandon, may offset the improvement by Oden and Nic and the addition of Dre. I think the Blazers will still win 50+, but I am not nearly as bullish on 60 as I was earlier in the summer.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Oct 23, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
35 times?
So what? Some guys have brought up backup PF 35,000 times. :)
As far as Blake and Przy, if Blake drops off, Andre takes most of his minutes. And some PGs develop late, so I question whether last year was a fluke. We’ll see. And Joel? Rebounding technique and effort don’t tend to drop off. And he’s likely to play less this year, anyway. We should get much more production out of the center position even if he does drop off.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 23, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why didn´t the Blazers panic before the last game of this preseason?
Because Blazers fans took that burden upon their shoulders. I´ve heard the oxygen demand has raised today in Oregon :)
by amlmart1 on Oct 23, 2009 4:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been sending oxygen care packets to my family there
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Oct 23, 2009 5:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's with the displaced hate toward Kirk Hinrich?
Although it’s fair to criticize Kevin Pritchard for not fully understanding beforehand that Brandoy Roy and Andre Miller’s individual skill sets might make them an awkward backcourt fit with each other, Hinrich is essentially a souped-up version of Steve Blake on both offense and defense — albeit especially on defense — so don’t lump him in this topic without justifiable cause. Otherwise, well, you kind of come across all disjointed in your noggin and whatnot by jumbling random rants together in a hodgepodge manner.
Moving on from that, here’s a clairvoyant comment I made on 4/17/2009 — which was right before the playoff series against the Houston Rockets last season —about Travis Outlaw.
“With regards to comparing the 2004-2005 Seattle SuperSonics to the 2008-2009 Portland Trail Blazers the roles of Vladimir Radmanovic on the former and Travis Outlaw on the latter are very similar to each other.
Obviously, there are some very noticeable differences stylistically between Radmanovic an Outlaw; however, it wouldn’t shock me one bit if "Trout" put up a poor performance in the first round against Houston similarly to what "Radman" did five years ago against Sacramento in what’s considered to be a reminiscent situation.
Indeed, the Houston Rockets employ enough defensive firepower at the wings to cause Outlaw constant fits."
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/4/16/841135/an-interesting-sidenote-to-this#14314084
If you expect a player of Outlaw’s ilk — which is that of an inefficient shooter, unwilling distributor, meager rebounder, putrid defender, et cetera — to make a positive impact come playoff time this upcoming season or in the future, then you’re sorely mistaken. For every Antoine Walker who piggybacks their way to a ring as an inferior role player, thens hundreds of me-first bench players who hurt their team’s chance reaching true glory. For the sake of every tried-and-true fans of the PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS — and not specifically of one player, Outlaw, who doesn’t embody the franchise as a whole — I hope he doesn’t crush your dreams.
On one last and slightly related note, a friendly suggestion I have for Blazer fan(atic)s is to be more modest with your fandom. Whenever I see someone act entitled to certain things regarding this sports franchise — such as proclaiming that 60+ wins this season is an inevitability, if not an inalienable right of some sort — it makes y’all seem closer to being the smug jerks you claim to detest with a fervent passion (i.e., Laker fans) than a group of ardent rooters and boosters who posses an endearing quality to them (i.e., Clipper fans).
[…]
All right, I’ve gotten off my soapbox.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 23, 2009 5:07 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
If you dont like the players on the team...
go cheer for another team. Outlaw bashing is overrated
"The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don't have to waste your time voting"
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by jpaulson on Oct 23, 2009 5:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're not gonna honestly love everyone on the team.
It’s amazing how many likeable and talented guys there are on our team as it is. I’m obviously biased, but I doubt there’s a better mix of quality guys on and off the court in the whole league. That being said, why can’t we be real? Obviously the odds of us loving every player on a team is pretty low. I don’t agree with bashing the person, but we should be able to bash someone’s play on the court all we want. It’s our team, we should care about their play. Being critiqued and criticized is a price they have to pay to play in the NBA and make the money they do. Outlaw might be on OUR team, but that doesn’t automatically mean we have to accept the fact he has absolutely zero basketball decision making skills. If it’s justified, then we have to hold them accountable.
by Coastie07 on Oct 23, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I bash just as much as the next basher. I can understand if people believe that is not an acceptable form of critisism. I do not agree with not being able to have/express a negative feeling about a players role on the team.
Yeah, why dont we keep Zach, Darius, Sergio, never critisize them, keep them on the team and ride on out into the sunset forever and ever. Let’s keep the roster the way it is forever. Never change players until they retire, no matter the effort, stats, ability to win comes into play. That’s wishful thinking.
Land Rondo.
by loyal_blazer on Oct 23, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love everybody on the team...
"The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don't have to waste your time voting"
"I don't like jail, they got the wrong kind of bars in there"
Charles Bukowski
by jpaulson on Oct 23, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not that big of a deal that some people dont like a certain player..
it has just been way over done this offseason. “Lets trade Blake and Outlaw for a banger”, “Bayles is not a real point guard”, “we should have got kirk hinrick instead of Miller”… bla bla bla bla. It is just funny how fans think they could do a better job than the informed front office. The season has not even started yet, we have not seen what the team is capable yet this season, and we are already assuming that we need another player to complete the roster…
"The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don't have to waste your time voting"
"I don't like jail, they got the wrong kind of bars in there"
Charles Bukowski
by jpaulson on Oct 23, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the Miller-Roy relationship going to be another vehicle for Pritchard bashing? Apparently
I think you unfairly call JScot’s reasoned (in his Magnus Optimus Opus) prediction of 60 wins an entitlement. It is optimistic, but thoughtful.
I think the roster concoction has been fairly remarkable. I see lots of bargain contracts – and a few necessary gambles with Roy and Aldridge. I see good depth at almost every position. There are very few rosters I’d trade ours for.
But as you would note, I am a fan and fanatic because for some reason I find it fun when my favorite team wins. I don’t understand it, though I imagine it is some kind of narcissism to identify with a team the way I do. There are worse forms of narcissism
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Oct 23, 2009 6:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, don't defend me to AK
He has a need to take potshots at someone, and I seem to be able to dish a few back so far.
It’s the old straw man approach. An optimistic view, with plenty of caveats, is portrayed as “inevitable”, “entitlement”, or “inalienable rights”. Even my comment here said “barring major injury”, and AK himself thinks we might reach 60 if we don’t have key injuries. Ultimately, the guy mostly agrees with me (as all right thinking people do), but there wouldn’t be anything to discuss if somebody didn’t play his game.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 23, 2009 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'll take more than no serious injuries for the Portland Trail Blazers to reach 60+ wins this ...
season, but also Greg Oden making two levels of progression in one season. A bunch of us went over in detail what our own expectations were of Oden — who I’m as high on as anybody, even as far back to when I was a Seattle SuperSonics fan —in Magnum’s thread about the 60 win plateau.
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/8/1/894063/60-wins-what-will-it-take#19107790
“Like I said, the team hits 60 on the dot if everything goes as planned without any significant injuries. As a result, expecting 60+ is reaching for the stars.”
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/8/1/894063/60-wins-what-will-it-take#19110374
With Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge unlikely to defer enough to Oden this upcoming season for him to make an astronomical leap, 55 wins and a #4 seed is the level I project this team will hit if all goes well on the injury front.
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/9/27/1056521/blazers-edge-power-rankings#21938554
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 23, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it anymore wrong...
…for a fan(atic) to be overly optimistic than it is for an anal(yst) to be overly pessimistic?..
I, for one, AM entitled to be excited and hopeful for the Blazers success and will continue to be so… I’m arrogant like that.
It is curious to me that someone with the admitted arrogance displayed here would judge others.
it makes y’all seem closer to being the smug jerks you claim to detest with a fervent passion
Mr. Frog…This is Mr. Bass…………………. Pot this is Kettle
by Ilikeemall on Oct 23, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, 59 wins
Sixty if we beat the Fakers in la-la-land.
by LaoTzu on Oct 23, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's awesome!
You advise blazer fans to show more modesty in a post in which you refer to yourself as clairvoyant and then do the self-referential quote yourself in grey box thing.
Unfortunately, I agree about Hinrich.
by JMoon on Oct 23, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's some hypocriscy on my end, yes.
That’s because I’ve got a favorable bias toward myself and will apply double standards whenever they benefit me. Yet, I’m at least self-aware of that flaw of mine, so I consequently don’t feel bad about it.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 23, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a novel idea
Just a sort of off-the-wall thing, something to consider someday.
How about if, when you are self-aware of a flaw, feeling badly enough about it to actually, um, well, (please don’t get angry, it’s just an idea), you know, make changes to get rid of the flaw?
Oh, never mind. Carry on.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 23, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, I'm at peace with my flaws.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 23, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like I said
Never mind. Carry on.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 24, 2009 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your soapbox is glued to yer foot I am afraid
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Oct 23, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
good thing his mouth is big enough for both
heyo!
ball does lie
by In Walks Rudy on Oct 23, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Zing Pow
Chuck Norris' tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried.
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Oct 23, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn't actually very nice
So how come I can’t stop laughing?
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 23, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy can adjust.
Besides if you actually need Outlaw and Blake in order to play like a superstar, then you’re not actually a superstar.
An Oregonian in Texas.
by NoiseMekanik on Oct 23, 2009 5:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100%
Miller is a fantastic play maker. He will get Brandon so many more open looks than Blakey ever could, he’ll eventually come around to loving Miller.
(If he doesn’t, he’s not the team-oriented superstar we all think he is…)
Starting Blake just HAS to be a stop-gap until Andre gets more time to prove he can co-exist with BRoy.
by Visionary2 on Oct 23, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The point isn't for Roy to score
The point is for the Blazers to win. Now those two things often overlap, but they are not the exact same thing.
Roy needs to learn to adjust his game. Blake isn’t the last point guard he’s ever going to play with. I am also quite sure he is willing and able to do so.
by matthewcc on Oct 23, 2009 7:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
half right
Blake stays
Travis goes, you can’t let talent like that just walk away at season’s end. Outlaw’s value is not like Frye and Sergio
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 23, 2009 9:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
While I can mostly agree with the OP on Blake, Outlaw will not be here past this year. Take that one to the bank. Not saying we’ll trade him (we might), but I highly doubt we resign him next summer.
That said, not sure why the fanpost is full of so much hostility. Man, relax a little bit! Oh, and I can’t vote in the poll, as the options are seriously lacking. But Ive made that rant a time or two before…
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Oct 23, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Travis is a lightning rod
Also Portland fans tend to treat their players with kid gloves, as part of their ‘family’ and all that stuff, and anyone who does not view the players this way draws their ire
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Oct 23, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I highly doubt we resign him next summer.
Unless…Paul Allen likes watching #25 play. Then all bets are off
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 23, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Outlaw has more games like last night....to increase his trade value
Starting Blake is inane.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Oct 23, 2009 9:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would actually like him to play well
to help us win games.
I’m kind of strange that way.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 23, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
you see? It's this kind of thinking
that elevates the regular-season, game-winning-shot-making wonders like Outlaw to “must keep around” status, only to watch in horror as they get that proverbial “deer in the headlights” look, when the playoffs roll around.
you must resist this urge. Resistance is not futile
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 25, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be silly
The goal is to win games, not increase trade value. I wasn’t talking about regular season vs. playoffs, I was talking about the reason I would like him to play well.
And it is ludicrous to assume that Travis in the playoffs last year is indicative of the rest of his career. You are always banging the drum for vets. Why? Because they have experience, they’ve been there before.
Travis has never been in the playoffs before. Lots of players have a bad first playoff series and become good contributors.
Travis is not the ideal backup PF. I agree. But writing off a guy based on one series is daft. You don’t expect everyone to come through the first time. That’s why experience matters.
If Travis has two more series in which he completely flops, then maybe we can start to talk about “deer in the headlights”.
Don’t talk to me about how important experience is for the playoffs, and then turn around and write off a guy because he played badly when he didn’t have experience. T4L, meet T4L. The two of you should get together and talk, and see if you can get on the same page here. Does experience matter or doesn’t it?
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 26, 2009 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
writing off a guy based on one series is daft.
But when you track his 6 year career and can easily predict that he’ll struggle in pressure situations, then he does exactly that in his first playoff series, it’s a trend
More evidence? The Blazers targeted Hedo and Millsap as their FAs-of-choice last July. Outlaw’s “sell by” date is fast approaching, and hopefully it hasn’t already passed in the minds of the opposing GMs
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 26, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
I don’t see a career predicting he’ll struggle in pressure situations. I see the exact opposite.
Under pressure, he concentrates and does great. It’s the mental lapses when he isn’t under pressure that cost him.
Sorry, targeting Hedo and Millsap means NOTHING about whether or not they expected Travis to choke. It just means they thought it would improve our team to replace him with Millsap, but that is not the same thing as jumping to the conclusion he’s a playoff choker. Hedo wasn’t a replacement for Travis, he’s SF and Travis is our backup PF.
See, this is what bugs me about the “Trade Travis” gang. Instead of just letting the things that are obvious stand (not a passer, sporadic defense, not a defensive rebounder), we have to add all these other silly little comments that are simply not sustainable.
His career shows the exact opposite of “struggle in pressure situations.” Whatever the flaws in his game, that isn’t one.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 26, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw and Blake should be traded if the Blazers can get good value for their expiring deals
If not, they should stay.
You can bet KP will be shopping them both all season, unless Miller and Martell really struggle.
And the idea that a player as elite as Brandon “needs” a player as marginal as Blake to succeed is crazy bonkers talk. Ideally, he would have somebody next to him who can knock down the open three, create occasionally, and lock down on D. Obviously, Hinrich would be perfect, and I’m still hoping the Bulls struggle and Trout + Blake gets that done. In any event, though, Blake isn’t the only PG in the league who can make a wide open three (and he’s not doing Brandon any favors on the defensive end).
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Oct 23, 2009 9:39 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Thank you for a bit of sanity.
The deification of a decent but limited journeyman player like Blake is a little hard to take.
I keep hearing people talk about Dre and Roy not fitting, but to my mind they have not had much of a chance. For the most part, it seems like Nate made up his mind from the start and has actively kept Miller and Roy apart, rather than putting them together and giving them time and space to work it out.
I’m OK with Blake starting for a few games, but Miller should be getting more minutes from the start. As Miller and Roy get used to each other Blake’s minutes should start to decline and ultimately Miller should be moved to the starting five.
by upper left corner on Oct 23, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
God, I hope you are wrong.
KP needs to do what is best for the long-term good of the team. Trade Blake and Trout while we can get some value out of both of them.
Roy may prefer Blake now, but the overall play of the team will be much better if Miller and Roy figure out how to play together.
I don’t think I can live through multiple seasons of watching Blake let guys blow by him on defense.
by upper left corner on Oct 23, 2009 9:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You and me both
I keep wondering how Deron lighting up (mostly) Blake for 27 a couple of games ago went unmentioned.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Oct 23, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's going to take team defense to prevent PG penetration
regardless if Blake, Miller or (insert young PG name here) is in the game
I was at the Spurs game last year where the Blazer’s team successfully kept Tony Parker out of the paint (for the most part) and Portland won comfortably.
So, why doesn’t the team play superior penetration-denying defense for 48 minutes, every game?
Because it’s hard, and it requires concentration and “buy in” from every player on the court to “work”
That’s Nate’s challenge. And Brandon’s. And every other rotation player
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 23, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
one of them is gonna be gone
we’re too deep at sf and point to keep both of them after the season, so if we realize we can get by with miller and bayless, or with martell and batum, then one of them can go. and by midseason there could be a glaring weakness we could address. I would have a hard time getting rid of blake and his great shooting, but i think its time to give bayless a shot, a lottery pick deserves some minutes in his second year.
by StocktonNEP on Oct 23, 2009 9:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I find it amazing that BRoy & Andre
haven’t played a single reg season minute together & people are already saying they can’t play together. HOGWASH!
I think you are underestimating both players if you believe this tripe, they are professionals & very good ones at that. In short Andre Miller should start. IMHO
"BEER IS LIVING PROOF THAT GOD LOVES US"
- Benjamin Franklin-
by We-B-Dunkin on Oct 23, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely what I came in here to say.
It’s been eight games, Roy and Miller playing minimal time together, and Roy is young and has an obligation to learn to play off the ball if he’s incapable. If he wants to be the best he’ll have to learn. And he will.
by Seven06Renault on Oct 23, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Not That They Can't Play Together...
It’s just that the team will be better if you split them up… It should not be that hard for people to understand this… It’s not about Roy or Miller… It’s about the TEAM.
by Rick_D on Oct 23, 2009 2:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ahem! Miller and Roy better be together by play-off time!
Allowing Blake to stay in the starting five may make some sense in terms of continuity and fit. Miller should be good with the shooters in the second unit and Blake would be redundant with them.
However, don’t kid yourself into believing that overall the team is better with Miller on the bench. Miller is a much better player. He will help Oden, LMA, and Batum score. Ultimately, I think he will even help Roy score, it is just going to take a little time.
When we get to the play-offs Miller and Roy should both be on the floor for 36-40 minutes. If they are not used to playing together by then, blame Nate.
by upper left corner on Oct 23, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
When we get to the playoffs, neither of them should ever play over 30 mpg, because we should blow out the opposition every game.
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I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 23, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Made me do a double take....
I check my profile. See that I have a response. Push the button and see that the response is entitied, “Wrong.”
I had an immediate “flight or fight” response, and was ready to flame the poor sucker with the temerity to question my judgement. Then, “oh nooo,” I see that the “upstart” is none other than the “Future Ruler of the World.” I am confused and chastened. My leader has criticised me.
Finally, I read your message and am greatly relieved to find that Your Insightfulness is just joshing! Have a nice day, or err….. make that "have a nice day, SIR!
by upper left corner on Oct 24, 2009 6:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't want us to blow out the opposition every game?
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 24, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blake and Outlaw Stay and Here's Why
The ideas in this post are out-dated. We got our top-10 NBA PG. His name is Andre Miller.
While didn’t get the full meal deal on a banger, Howard will do as a back-up. His ability to feed Greg the ball, his defense and his smarts give us another dimension to go to when LMA sits besides going small with Travis. Cunningham is a SF, but we have Penderbaby healing this year, and maybe contributing, too. I could still see some kind of a trade to get us, say, Turiaf, but that’s for KP to decide.
So there’s no compelling reason to trade either Black or Outlaw unless KP decides to Pritchslap somebody. I have heard no compelling reasons that don’t boil down to simple dislike.
Travis’ stupid, unconscious, one-sided game will dig us out of some holes this year. His game doesn’t change – - Sacramento or Boston, it doesn’t matter to Travis. Besides his being buddies with Roy, Nate wants this tool in his toolbox.
As for Blake, he is completely serviceable. He started on a 54-win team and, I do agree, works well alongside Roy. Whether he starts or backs up Miller doesn’t matter.
Unless you believe in addition by subtraction, there’s no reason to just dump either of these guys.
by LaoTzu on Oct 23, 2009 3:33 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
I could still see some kind of a trade to get us, say, Turiaf, but that’s for KP to decide.
If Nellie wants another pogo stick/athlete to put in his system, I would cry tears of joy if an Outlaw/Blake package netted us Ronny – it would make total sense for all sides. Plus, the added benefit (imo) of moving Andre into the starting 5 and freeing up minutes for Bayless would elevate this team to championship contender status, imo.
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Oct 23, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that you're right that Blake is staying, but not Outlaw.
I am absolutely positive a consolidation trade is coming this year. Otherwise we are going to start letting hard earned value walk away for nothing. Outlaw is becoming somewhat obsolete, with Dante’s game looking similar to his ( and already rebounds better than Trout ), another playmaker now, and a veteran big man. Also Outlaw is an EC in the year before the summer Lebron. I could see him packaged with Rudy for a nice young player.
by dario argento on Oct 23, 2009 5:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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