Poll: What To Do At The One?
The Oregonian's Joe Freeman wrote what many were starting to suspect, Nate McMillan is leaning towards sticking to his guns and beginning the regular season with Steve Blake as his starting point guard.
It's a question we've asked before but now we have had 8 exhibition seasons worth of games to watch boxscores and columns to read to inform the discussion. Who should it be: Miller or Blake or a combination (or other)? Thoughts?
Please vote and discuss.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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gotta go with blake
I’ve been guilty of talking up Miller every since he got here, but I don’t think Brandon can play with an actual PG. Like it or not that leaves blake, so Miller will be a fine addition to the bench unit. Maybe Andre and Roy can play later in the season, but right now it’s pretty clear the starting 5 we saw heard tonight is the stable, consistent choice.
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Oct 22, 2009 11:59 PM PDT reply actions
Tonight didn't convince me of much.
Didn’t Blake also start when Roy was stinking it up earlier this preseason? I don’t think you can blame Roy’s woes on anyone but Roy.
As for Miller not fitting, does that mean we would bench Devin Harris, Rajon Rondo, Tony Parker, or Jason Kidd, if any of them were on the team? Sure, Miller can’t shoot threes like those other guys, but that’s way less embarrassing than Roy not being able to adjust his game to fit with a true play-maker.
I vote to start Blake until Miller gets comfortable. Seems like more of a natural progression.
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 23, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
how about start Blake
and as soon as he starts to suck, throw in Miller…
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Oct 23, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Might work.
Or Miller might join forces with Bayless and kill everyone in sight.
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 23, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I do think it's funny the Ben wrote the "starting to suspect" bit
He still doesn’t want to believe it. God forbid we lose the first game for any reason now. Blake and Nate will take the blame no matter what actually happens in the game.
This is actually a refreshing turn of events in the NBA, “team over talent”. Fact is, the Wizards played better with Blake starting while Mega-talented Gilbert Arenas was hurt, then they did with Arenas at PG. Arenas is more like AI than AM, but the point is; a smart role-player like Blake can sometimes help a team win over a player with superior stats, because he doesn’t need as many touches. Kirk Hinrich is asking “Why can’t Nate be the coach of the Bulls?”
"I don’t think Brandon can play with an actual PG."
If this turns out to be actually true, then Jerry Bayless’ stock just rose a little. Forget trying to become a “true” point guard Jerryd, just clean up your shot….a lot.
SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS.
Roy can play with anyone,
so can Miller. The point is, start with what you know works until the other is blended in more smoothly. Coming off the bench isn’t punishment. We want rings !!!!
"That's just how I get down"........ Andre Miller
by FrenchieFan on Oct 23, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm not sure I buy that Roy can't play with a shot-creating PG
it’s just that it seems he’s gotten off to a slow start with Miller. We haven’t had enough time to properly evaluate it’s future capability.
SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS.
By that logic
Roy should have been at +20 or more last year when sharing the floor with Sergio or Bayless.
(I do agree with everything else that you’ve said.)
Other
Start Steve Blake indefinitely. He’s a better fit for that unit.
If you ever hear of someone punching out a girl scout and stealing her Samoas, it was me
- Mortimer
by Clevelander among roses on Oct 23, 2009 12:00 AM PDT reply actions
Oops, teaches me to read carefully...
If you ever hear of someone punching out a girl scout and stealing her Samoas, it was me
- Mortimer
by Clevelander among roses on Oct 23, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
give that man some robot feet
and call it good…
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Oct 23, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
They're good.

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No worries about ankle or foot injuries, either.
by MiledAnimal on Oct 23, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
After hearng the game tonight, I'm thinking Blake should start for a while, just to get things rolling.
Andre is obviously going to play more minutes over all I think, and supplant him as the starter, but Blake seemed to have his confidence back tonight, and could have been the reason Roy and LMA got off to such a good start.
I think he remembered that he is Steve Blake
and not Andre Miller. 11 assists? Yeah, we want that…
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Oct 23, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
If he averaged 11 assists, or anywhere near it, we'd never have looked for anyone else
Blake’s career high year was 6.6 assists per, and that was coming off the bench behind AI in Denver. The last two years with Portland, he’s been right around 5.
Blake isn’t really a guy that gets people the ball at just that moment to facilitate a basket. He can drive on Nash, but not on a lot of the other PG’s, so he’s usually limited to bringing it up and then spotting up for a 3 or a reset (until BRoy is freed up again).
All that glitters isn't chrome
Andre Miller hasn't won the starting spot
Until he does, he doesn’t deserve to take it away from the guy who has manned the position for us for most of the last 5 years.
"HA HA HA HA HA
I'm not laughing, I'm just listing the five ugliest Blazers ever."
- rockingharder
He didn't just win it.
He killed it and then ate it alive.
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 23, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions
5-18
…I’m just not a big fan of his game, I guess. I’d almost prefer Bayless.
"HA HA HA HA HA
I'm not laughing, I'm just listing the five ugliest Blazers ever."
- rockingharder
Steve Blake should keep his starting spot
until it is clear that putting Miller with the starting unit is going to improve the team. Right now, Blake and Roy > Miller and Roy, and until that changes, Blake should start. Miller and Roy are both awesome though, so I dont think it should take to long for them to learn how to be affective together.
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Off topic
but I don’t really like polls with a dozen choices. It’s easy to rig it so people who are really on one side of the fence end up being spread out over 11 of the choices.
1. Steve Blake forever
2. Andre Miller for three games, then re-evaluate
3. Andre Miller for four games, then re-evaluate
4. Andre Miller for 12 games, then re-evaluate
5. Andre Miller most of the first 30 games
6. Andre Miller most of the first 32 games
"HA HA HA HA HA
I'm not laughing, I'm just listing the five ugliest Blazers ever."
- rockingharder
i hear ya. it requires some addition to get the bulk totals of who’s in what camp. but going straight miller/blake/other doesn’t capture all the different camps that exist on this issue right now. i’ll try to cut back on the gimmick answers though as they can get distracting.
by Ben Golliver on Oct 23, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, your polls aren't that bad
I just don’t have much to complain about these days.
"HA HA HA HA HA
I'm not laughing, I'm just listing the five ugliest Blazers ever."
- rockingharder
Except that the season hasn't started yet
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
Tough choice if it were me making it
I voted for Blake until Miller gets more comfortable. However, just start Andre was a close second.
I worry that if Blake is starting there will be fewer practice reps for Miller with the starters and this will just exacerbate the delay in making the switch to Miller starting (something I think should be inevitable).
put a body on 'em
Other - chose the combinations that best win the games
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
I really don't agree with formulas
Start the best at each position
Bring a scorer off the bench
Play the better defender
Play the better passer
Whatever Roy wants
It does seem apparent that we need running the offense and scoring most when Brandon is not in the game. Andre seems to bring that better than Steve. When Brandon is in the game he and LMA seem to thrive from Brandon’s play-making and Steve’s outside shooting. But that may change as the season progresses, But Nate can judge that far better than me (and maybe some others here as well). Was Brandon making a statement tonight about Steve starting? I don’t know and I don’t know if so, was it conscious.
The permutations and combinations of an NBA team are too difficult for most coaches who get the opportunity. Especially those (usually college coaches) who come in with a system that the players are expected to fit. The good ones survive long enough to draft players that fit their ideas but then you have Don Nelson who has thoroughly trashed the who concept.
Nate has shown a remarkable ability to mesh a young team together given great material. He will start whomever works to that end.
The only measure to me is what achieves the wins.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
Whats
the obsession with trying to upgrade Blake? This team wont lose in the playoffs because of Blake. They’ll lose if Oden, the bench and Batum play like they did last year. Blake’s not going to keep Oden out of foul trouble and healthy. He’s not going to give Batum the ability to beat people off the dribble. Should have gotten a player like Heinrich instead of Miller who obviously doesnt fit with Roy.
We already lost in the playoffs because of Blake.
Sort of.
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 23, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought you blamed Outlaw?
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
Obama's fault, obviously
Oh, wait….
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
I voted for Bob Barr.
So it’s not my fault.
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 23, 2009 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I voted for Chuck Norris
Blazers win!
by The X-man on Oct 23, 2009 1:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
WRONG
1. YAO SCORED 9 FOR 9 BUCKETS TO START GAME ONE. WE DIDN’T FRONT HIM! (you do have to front him) GAME OVER!!! HOME COURT ADVANTAGE LOST.
2. Scola had LMA’s number all series offensively and defensively.
3. WE STARTED RUDY IN GAME 6, EVEN THOUGH WE WON GAME 5 WITHOUT STARTING HIM. ARTEST WENT NUTS SCORING 27 POINTS, BECAUSE RUDY COULD NOT DEFEND HIM. BATUM COULD HAVE LOCKED HIM DOWN. We also needed Rudy’s scoring off the bench.
Look at Blake’s stats from the series, he was one of the best Blazers in the series. In fact, he stepped up his game, because other guys weren’t. He scored double figures in 4 out of 6 games, including one 16pt, 10assist 2TO game, followed by a 11pt, 8assist 1TO game, followed by a 15pt, 3assist, 1TO, and 7 REBOUND game (he averaged 4rbs for the series). Yeah, he really blew it with those numbers (keep in mind this guy is like the fourth scoring option). His only really bad game was game 6 where he had 2pts, 5assists, and 4TOs, and the whole team looked horrible in that game, because Rudy started, which meant Roy was playing SF against Battier the whole game, and Rudy couldn’t shoot over Artest. Rudy had 2pts 1assist, and 3 TOs. Add that to Scola making it hard on LMA, Yao making it impossible for “Gregzilla” to do much of anything, and Blake run ragged playing 40 minutes, because Sergio was not worthy, and you have a recipe for an easy defensive night for the Rockets. Scapegoating Blake for last year’s playoff loss is in conflict with the FACTS.
Oh yeah, and let us not forget Aaron Brooks. He had a very good game in game 1, after Yao had already sealed it in the first quarter with 9 FOR 9 SHOOTING!!! Aaron Brooks is a good player, who is a great 3pt shooter, and he took advantage of the fact that Blake had to give help defending YAO MING, because he was going 9 FOR 9 SHOOTING!!! and demanded a little bit of attention from the Blazers, who didn’t FRONT him as they now know they should have. Brooks was not a big factor in the rest of the series, as they began fronting Yao, and tightened up on Brooks. Brooks went on to score 34pts against the Lakers in the next round, but oh yeah, he can only play well against Steve Blake. FAIL.
by wingzeta on Oct 23, 2009 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Full disclosure: You are Blake's agent, right?
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
I just had to make sure before I spent a rec.
My rec account is running a bit low.
by MiledAnimal on Oct 23, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
OK you can have one of mine :)
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
It's all good.
I like Blake. It just would have been nice if Roy had a backcourt mate who could help take the pressure off though. Unfortanutly he didn’t and the offense looked stagnate, predictable and thin.
I would have bet on the Blazers beating Houston last year had Andre Miller been on the team. For Philly he averaged 21.5 points, 5 assists, and 6 rebounds and helped push the Magic to six games. He would have abused Brooks in the post.
Blake is good at what he does. Miller is really good at what he does. Apples and Oranges. I just prefer Oranges.
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 23, 2009 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree Miller would have helped us win against Houston
but I think that is a reflection on Sergio and Bayless, not Blake. I also think it is a reflection on the state of LMA’s post game at that time. We had no inside scoring other than Roy. Miller could have been the guy who could have given Roy and Blake rest, which is what is most valuable about him. Put him together with a shooter like Rudy, and they will rival Roy and Blake for best back court. Miller and Roy together is not a great balance of talents, and neither is Blake and Rudy. Both combos would be fine against lesser teams like SAC and the Bucks, and Miller/Roy might tear it up against some middle of the pack teams, but the defects in that pairing may show up against the good teams who play good defense, just like our lack of a post game showed up against good teams last year. That is the part that could take time. Can Miller/Roy be effective against a Boston team that knows how to close the middle. At that point, I think you need to make them respect your shooting to open it up.
Miller/Roy will be effective against anyone
by mid-season. Best backcourt combo in the league, once they get used to each other.
Miller is an excellent shooter, just not from deep. Once they get spacing down, it will be fine. Spacing is easier if both guards can hit from 3, but as long as they can make the mid-range jumpers, it will come.
The reason you still want Miller with the second unit is not because Blake/Roy is going to be better than Miller/Roy, but because Miller/Rudy is going to be many times better than Blake/Rudy. So Miller is likely to always be on the floor when Roy is out, just like LMA was last year. But look for Miller to eat more and more into Blake’s minutes with Roy as Andre and Brandon become Brandre Royler (I just copyrighted that, all rights reserved), the most devastating backcourt in the league.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
I agree with everything you've said, but don't have your confidence in Brandre
developing that quickly, or completely. I’m just hoping for “really good” not best in the league at this point, simply because I think their talents overlap a little too much to be best in the league. That said, who is the best backcourt in the league? It is at least rare to have two star players like we now do. Rondo/Allen comes to mind, as a pair that are both high level, but I don’t see them as being the best, but they do have the balance of one shooter, and one driver.
I went with 5
Though this preseason, with all the discussion about who fits with Roy, Roy needing the ball, etc, etc, I am beginning to think about revisiting the old start Roy at PG idea. That way Roy gets his shots and controls the ball, and on offense nothing changes much. If I remember, the reason we havent done this is probably for two reasons: First, Roy shouldn’t have to always bring the ball up, and Second, it would be tough for him to defend oppsing PGs. Since it seems pretty clear he is going to be controlling the ball, and even isn’t comfortable playing with a true PG, it doesn’t seem like the first reason is that big of a deal. Second, on defense, if we are going to end up starting Blake, then we are killing ourselves anyway on defense at the one spot.
So, I would consider going all ‘06-’07 on this, and saying Roy should start. Rudy gets more minutes, Rudy can hit the 3 like Blake and so much more, so it improves the problem of 1st quarter offense, and meanwhile a defensive backcourt of Roy and Rudy, to me, is not significantly worse then Roy and Blake. This way we can also get a lot closer to a traditional rotation, instead of bringing in a whole bench unit, we can sub in Blake and Miller at the guard spots depending on the opponent, bring Travis and Martell off the bench for stretches, and have a 3 big rotation of Oden, Aldridge, and Przy, while keeping at least 3 starters on the floor most of the time. (This would basically be starting what our 4th Q lineup will probably look like.)
But if we are still set on not having Roy be PG, and are going to continue with the whole 2 units thing, then I would say start Miller, and give it some time.
This is no surprise.
Nate has said this is what he was going to do all along, and it’s the right choice. Miller is a better player than Blake, but his abilities don’t match as well with the starting unit, and Miller is a player who dictates the style of play when he is on the floor. It will take time to integrate Miller, and to find the best ways to use everyone’s talent TO WIN GAMES. It’s not about who the best 5 “ballers” are, it’s about WINNING GAMES. This combination gives us the best opportunity to win now without a doubt. I guarantee Miller will come into some games and save our bacon, but this starting unit is the best performing group we have so far, so we have to go with it.
I want to see as much Andre on the floor as can help the team win. If that means he gets more PT than Blake, that’s fine, if it means less in some games, fine. I suspect his PT versus Blake’s will increase over time, but at the end of the day, it’s about chemistry, player combinations, and match-ups. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Andre play big-time minutes against some teams, and Blake big minutes against others. I also think Blake has a chance to keep the starting spot as long as the team is winning.
I also think you will see Andre really take command of the second unit, and start to make those guys look great, which will only make our team as a whole great. It was nice to see, or at least hear the Blazers playing like the Blazers again.
by wingzeta on Oct 23, 2009 12:36 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I expect Joel's scoring to double playing with Miller
Joel can run a pick and roll and put down lobs that Andre should be giving him. Minutes will be the main thing to reduce the double prediction. It should probably be double the points per minutes played.
put a body on 'em
With the starters, Miller has to compromise a little, because it is not his team,
but with the second unit, it can be “his” team, so he may flourish by being able to play his game without compromise there, and hopefully get the best out of Joel, Rudy and Outlaw/Wester. With the starters, I think he will have to trade some of his own stat line so the other guys can get touches, if the team is going to win.
Blake for now
Miller will get more minutes but right now it makes sense to use him to make the team more productive over 48 minutes. Why not use Blake to get the big two cooking and then use Miller to keep everything flowing by feeding Oden and Aldridge and running with Webster in the 2nd quarter?
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by tssbro on Oct 23, 2009 12:36 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I voted to start Blake until Miller is more familiar...
but the problem I still have with that, is how does that develop? In Practice? Or will there be time in games when his minutes will demand him to be alongside Roy and he’ll develop that way? I still think they could be a fierce fourth quarter tandom.
"Rudy’s flashy passes had the place whispering to each other like we were in junior high" ~BlazermaniacAndy
by courtsideerrandboy on Oct 23, 2009 12:48 AM PDT reply actions
Yes, they'll still get plenty of PT together
and if not at the start, within 5-10 games, Andre and Roy will be the closers, probably with Rudy at the other wing.
Andre is too good to not be in at the close of games, and not to get more PG minutes than Steve. He and Brandon will start to click, it just takes time.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
ESPN got that one right in their Mag season preview (Insider only)
CHEMISTRY — B-plus
The second unit will be more productive behind PG Andre Miller. But if the vet wants to be part of the crunch-time crew, he needs to get right with Roy’s handling the ball. If he can’t, Steve Blake will start and finish — and the Blazers will be easy prey to teams that can lock up Roy with a single defender.
ECONOMICS — B-minus
They paid handsomely to get Miller, so if he’s only coming off the bench and not playing at crunch time, it’s money badly spent.
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
"easy prey to teams that can lock up Roy with a single defender"
….which would be who, exactly? I can think of only one last season: Houston. And Roy did a pretty good job of figuring that out eventually.
There are some. Lakers now, Mavericks, Celtics, still Houston, potentially Denver and Orlando depending on who they use, ...
You won’t shut him down, but if one player can adequately cover him and bringing a second one overloads him, then you have a good chance to stop the Blazers. Especially if they start scoring slow or LaMarcus has a bad night too.
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
Oden! Oden! Oden! Oden!
that could be this year’s answer. problem is, we need someone who can get him the ball.
put a body on 'em
I don’t think teams will help off Oden a lot to stop Roy. However if Oden and LaMarcus learn passing well to each other around the key, that can be devastating.
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
The point is
that they may have to help ON Oden a lot, which makes it pretty hard to also help on Roy. Especially if you have a lights out shooter (Rudy?) on the other wing.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
I agree - Oden will open the floor like Dwight Howard did for Orlando
I use the word did because Howard says he now has a lights-out jump shot from 15 feet and that is not something Greg is ready for this year.
Those who scoff about Oden being a primary scorer in the offense fail to listen to both KP and Nate talk about the inside-out game.
Oden actually relieves the pressure on Nate over starting Steve because starting Greg shows he is not “set in his ways” by not changing last year’s starters. Teams that double anyone against this team might soon discover that they have to pay a price.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
He doesn't need it much to destroy people
One of the big problems with Pryz was that teams would cheat, knowing that he wouldn’t beat them on offense. That isn’t the case with Oden, so just having him out there makes everyone else better.
As far as getting him the ball, I’m not sure we need that. He’ll get it from Roy and Aldridge when they penetrate or post and don’t have a clear shot. And he’ll get plenty of points off of O-rebounds.
So, if we’ve got a massive improvement at the center spot, there is an argument for not messing with the back-court.
I’m not sure I believe any of this, but I wouldn’t mind seeing how things work for a while with Blake-Roy-Oden and Miller-Fernandez-Howard.
All that glitters isn't chrome
by hoopla-pdx on Oct 23, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chemistry quote is insightful
can’t let Brandon win this fight. He must learn to play with others eventually if we’re going to have a chance in the postseason. So why wait? Or do you not believe in the move to get miller in the first place, Nate?
Mike Barrett is probably happy
He seems to be a pretty big fan of Blake (and Joel). Lots of praise, very muted criticism. I wonder how close he is with them away from bball.
put a body on 'em
Why is Blake on the black team and Miller on the white team?
(sorry – couldn’t resist . . . .)
put a body on 'em
Affirmative action
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
Blake
I prefer Blake as he and Roy work well together. If Miller starts at some point, it should somehow be worked out that Roy can still get his shots/touches where he wants them.
Other
“Stop being obsessed about who starts”
I assume Ben keeps posting on this topic because it generates traffic for Bedge… It’s an interesting topic, but it’s not the only interesting basketball decision that Nate McMillan has to face.
Some other important topics that are rarely discussed, but of equal importance:
1) Has Webster, in fact,, earned a spot in the playing rotation? If so, how should he be used? If Rudy were completely healthy, how much does Webster play? With which players? Will Batum see more playing time?
2) The Rotation at PF. What should this look like? Obviously Aldridge starts, but does he play the same number of minutes as last year? Does Howard deserve minutes playing with Oden? Or, should Outlaw play all the minutes at back-up PF, even if he is a liability on defense.
3) What have the Blazers done to address their defensive deficiencies form last year. We’ve talked a little bit about pick and roll defense (one of my favorite posts of the preseason), but what else is going on with the team defensively?
by PoliSam on Oct 23, 2009 7:19 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I hope it doesn't matter to Miller and Blake
Of course they are going to compete for starting minutes, but the choice isn’t going to be made on how hard they work or how well they, as individuals, play. It is being made on how well the combination performs.
As long as their egos are ok with that and they continue to be positive, great. I just worry that Andre won’t like coming off the bench.
All that glitters isn't chrome
Miller needs to start
And it isn’t a money thing.
1) He and Roy will have to learn to coexist or else Miller’s talents will be wasted on 18-20 mpg in the middle.
2) If we start Blake and then later in the year pull him because Miller is better, even if Blake did nothing to lose the job, there could be locker room problems.
3) We got Miller for another perimeter player who can create his own shot in order to take the pressure off Roy when he gets bottled up on the perimeter. It’s really hard to do that from the bench.
They got 82 games to learn to coexist.
Miller will be starting in a week or so, no need to force it.
Blazers
Need to take a page from the Euro Leagues. Instill a culture that doesn’t care about who starts but rather who finishes. If Blake helps get the offense started great. If Miller is better being the first sub in the game and changes the flow 6 minutes in, all the better. Miller will get plenty of time to play along side Roy even if he is coming off the bench.
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((o))
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But why bring him off the bench
if he can play alongside Roy?
So that he's in
when the rest of the second unit comes in, which makes the second unit effective.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
Out of however many preseason games the Blazers started quickly how many times?
Once?
Only in Portland would we be so afraid of making changes, like starting the guy who held us back last season over one of the top six or seven PG in the league.
Keep Portland Weird. And by weird we mean not logical at all.
Honestly there’s a part of me that hopes this all falls apart so that Nate’s outclevering himself comes back to bite him. What a ridiculous way to manage a team.
Blazer Fan
No one on this team held us back last year....we won 54 games!
Blake averaged the 3rd most minutes on the team and had the best +/- on the team…better than Roy. The Blazers were very good when Blake was on the court. That’s all that matters. Your perception seems to be getting in the way of reality.
By the way a real Blazer fan would never hope the team fails. Maybe you should be a little more flexible with your opinions and acknowledge what works instead of putting all your faith in a player who, so far, hasn’t proved he makes the team better.
by RABID_RABBIT on Oct 23, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
playoffs are what matters
The acquisition of Andre Miller appeared to be an attempt to deal with our weakness: shut down Brandon, and the Blazers are done because they can’t move the ball and create opportunities for each other. Put another way, we are not adaptable.
54 wins is good, but the real issue is how can we be strong enough to advance in the playoffs. With Blake running the offense, and Brandon doing his iso thing, we have some serious limitations. Limitations that any solid coach and Western Conference playoff team will exploit.
Actually Andre feel into the Blazer's lap.
They didn’t go into free agency seeking out Andre Miller, let alone seek him out to replace Blake or automatically insert Andre into the starting line up. More than anything signing Miller means the Blazers will always have a solid PG on the floor, regardless of who starts. Nothing the Blazers said to the media or in what we were told was said in meetings between Andre and Nate, should have given you the impression that we signed him to replace Blake in anyway, or be “the missing piece to a really shitty Blazer playoff team”.
You seem to assume that because Miller isn’t starting, he will never play, which is ridiculous. Miller will play plenty of minutes and bring to the team what you say they desperately need, another playmaker.
And I don’t agree with your assertion that the Blazers have to have Miller to get past the 1st round. Fact is we were destroying the best teams in the league at the end of last year. We know how good this team can be, but they were a team of playoff rookies against a team of playoff veterans who had never made it past the 1st round. The Rockets had 10 times the motivation to move on past the 1st round which is a big advantage, especially with a good team. More than anything EXPERIENCE will make the Blazers that much better come playoff time.
Blake and Miller will both be huge assets for this team regardless of who starts.
by RABID_RABBIT on Oct 23, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
The offense often looks stagnant with Blake at point. Roy is just so good at making something from nothing that the weakness is covered up…… until the playoffs. It is not just Blake though, the rest of the starters need to work on passing. Sending the ball through Oden more is good. LMA needs to pass better too. He will often hesitate, or dribble rather than making the second quick pass.
Objection Your Honor!!!...
Only in Portland would we be so afraid of making changes, like starting the guy who held us back last season over one of the top six or seven PG in the league.
That is yet another broad, sweeping, unfounded statement with very little evidence to back it up. Why is everything bad that happened last year dropped at the feet of Steve Blake? (or Outlaw I guess) Blake did everything asked of him without complaint. Is there evidence that Blake single-handedly brought on slow starts?
Yes Nate has done a well documented “ridiculous” job of managing this team. How dare he be part of improving the team not only based on results but culture… get a rope!
The fact that part of you wants the Blazers to fail so you can be proven right and Nate wrong speaks volumes to me!.. I’ll go ahead and hope the team continues to improve, as they have consistently since Nate took over, and let him be right.
GO BLAZERS!!!
Roy sandbagged the preseason
To avoid having to adapt his game to a real point guard? Hate to think it, but it’s like as soon as Nate announces that he’s going with Blake, suddenly Brandon can play?
I sure hope we don’t have an egomaniac leading this team….
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Start one of them until he is injured; then, start the other. – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
But by saying that...
You’re really saying start Blake, because he’s a helluva lot more likely to get injured, when compared with Andre Miller. Because if you start Miller and wait for an injury, then we’ve got a PG for the year.
"Don't put anything crazy in the papers. I'll find out who you are." -- Andre Miller
I voted for the “Start Blake until (or if) he becomes a liability.” I don’t think he will become a liability. I still think Miller should play a little more minutes. Maybe Miller plays 26, and Blake plays 22. Miller and Roy will play a lot together no matter what, so they will have to learn how to play together. I don’t think Roy has to learn to play with Miller, or Miller has to learn to play with Roy. They have to learn to play together. Why I say that is I don’t understand all the people upset with Roy for not adjusting his game. I don’t think Roy is stubbern, and I think he wants to develop an on court chemistry with everyone. I guess when things aren’t going perfect, some folks just want to point a finger at someone. Interesting that they pick our 2 time all star, the player some consider one of the top 10 in the NBA, as the problem. Wow.
by desperationshot on Oct 23, 2009 1:30 PM PDT reply actions
The fallacy is that everyone thinks it was Blake vs. Miller
Turns out, it was Miller vs. Roy. Roy is better than Miller, therefore, Miller is on the bench. Blake is content to play 1/2 PG 1/2 Off Guard. Miller is not a good enough shooter to play Off Guard.
Off guards (sometimes called “shooting” guards) play off the point guard. Roy doesn’t play off anyone in the half-court set.
In the Blazer (Roy) system, someone besides Roy needs to bring the ball up, lead fast breaks, defend the opposing PG, and shoot spot up 3’s. Very rarely do we ask the off guard to breakdown the defense and set other players up.
Bayless has the potential to be a much better fit for this team than either Blake (defense issues; 1-dimensional offense or Miller (3-pt and defense) issues. That hypothesis is predicated on Bayless becoming adequate at 3-pt shooting and learning to play defense with his feet. Athletically, however, he is far and away the best potential compliment to Roy.
This is also why the Blazers toyed with the idea of having Rudy play off guard to Roy (can he bring the ball up, run the fast break and defend PG’s????)
I partially agree
We do not need Miller with the Black unit as much as we do with the White because Roy fulfills that play-making function with the Black. But theoretically Miller makes everyone better on either team offensively except when teams sag off him to double Greg he is not a great jump-shooter. On defense maybe he also makes them better by calling the plays and positioning players or maybe he makes them worse by getting the bigs in foul trouble. But when Roy is not on the floor Miller is essential. At the end of games I see both Roy and Miller on the floor with Rudy so that a high trap on Roy gets immediate penalties from Miller.
So nice call.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
I think this could go badly
Miller is definitively better than Steve Blake in evry way except shooting. Unforuntately for Dre, I do agrre that the starters need at least one deep threat to keep the middle free, so as others have said, it was mostly Miller vs. Blake but also Miller vs. Roy, and in a way, Miller vs. Nic/Webster. Webster’s not starting, so Blake becomes more necessary with the first 5 (although I still would go with Miller).
The real takeaway for me – KP should have used RLEC/Travis/picks to get Kirk Hinrich, who is an upgrade over Blake offensively and blows him away defensively. It remains to be seen how Miller will handle what for him is a huge disapointment, but if management felt Brandon needed a “shooting 1” to play with, the focus should have been there from the jump.
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
Funny how Blake got the team in rhythm when teammates began making shots
Maybe Phoenix was not the best test but a motivated Roy and LMA seemed to make Blake much better in that last game. A team that is making shots is able to set its defense and to get comfortable on the floor.
I am most excited to see how the White team plays this year with Miller. There is plenty of talent on this club but the opposition has some serious talent as well. How this unit does may decide more games than the Black team will.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
they say howard needs to be surrounded by shooters
i agree that the fab 4 need to be on the court together at least 10 min a game to get used to eachother and build chem for later in the season. opening day i would prefer blake and pryz starting and sub in rudy martell,miller greg earlier than later for roy blake and joel. i dont think Roy or la can or will pass efectively or use go to his potential like andre or rudy can. also if joel will excell against bench players great could totally destroy them all and he wouldnt even if he could starting because la and broy and going to want thier touches. mabey nate could sub roy and martell blake back in so rambo can play together for like 5 min a half.
Start Blake for now
If we want a PG to fit with the rest of the starting unit, being able to spread the defense with 3-point shooting is probably more important that being able to create shots off the dribble. Blake is just a much better fit with the starters, and Miller is a much better fit with the other players who come off the bench. However, eventually Rudy is going to be able to play the “Blake” role better than Blake can, and at that time he should take over Blake’s spot in the starting lineup.

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