Media Row Report: Blazers 97, Jazz 108
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One team on the Rose Garden court played like a unified group ready to embrace the new season and the possibility of making a deep run in the playoffs. The other team was the Portland Trail Blazers. One team played like it was coached by a legit Coach of the Year candidate. The other team looked like it hasn't been paying attention to anything Nate McMillan has been preaching. One team looked like it believed in, and played off of, its All Star quality leader. The other team drifted aimlessly around Brandon Roy.
Sure, one team, the Utah Jazz, also started their starting front line, Carlos Boozer and Mehmet Okur, while the other team, the Portland Trail Blazers, played Juwan Howard and Joel Przybilla in place of an injured LaMarcus Aldridge and Greg Oden. But there's no two ways about it: one team was ready to play, running out to a 20 point lead and doing it with ease. The other team was pressing throughout the second half, desperately throwing out a 2-1-2 three quarters court trap to try to keep the final score respectable.
The Utah Jazz stomped out the Portland Trail Blazers in the Rose Garden Tuesday night, plain and simple.
Sure, both teams dealt with some horrific officiating, which hit its lowest point when one referee assessed a timeout to the Portland Trail Blazers, only to be gently reminded by the scorekeeper that it was actually the under 6 minute timeout.. Sure, the Blazers might have gotten a slightly rawer deal, whistled for 33 fouls to Utah's 28, with Joel Przybilla and Howard both arguing their way into technical fouls. The Rose Garden's famous "These refs suck!" chants were heard in the game's closing moments and at one point during the second half I was worried that the fans would start throwing things on the court. It got heated.
But if there was one thing worse than the officiating Tuesday night, it was the disorganized, unmotivated, out-of-sync Trail Blazers themselves.
Have a beef -- any beef -- with the direction this club is heading? Tonight is the night to get it out of your system. Blake and Roy in the starting lineup together didn't work. Andre Miller airballed two jumpers. The team shot hesitantly and poorly (just 2 of 15 from distance). Jerryd Bayless crossed himself over going to the hoop and the ball wound up in the third row. Martell Webster was all over the place, and not in a good way. Carlos Boozer took Travis Outlaw down to the block and took it to him. Dante Cunningham looked too small to play 4 in the NBA. Ime Udoka looked a step and a half slow on defense. Jarron Collins was a rag doll.
After the game, Nate McMillan admitted that he believes "some of us think we can flip a switch and that it's all of a sudden going to happen when the 27th comes." As if to prove Nate's point, Brandon Roy downplayed yet another lackluster performance from both the team and himself by stating, "I don't panic quickly, I don't panic too quick, we'll be alright."
I'm not saying it's time for Roy to panic, but it is now officially time for him to step up. His 15 points, 0 rebounds, 5 assist might not look much worse than Deron Williams' 27 points, 2 rebounds and 3 assists but there was a significant talent gap between the two players tonight. And for the first time I can remember, that gap favored Williams.
After the game, McMillan stated simply that Williams "did what he can do. He's great with the ball, aggressive with the ball, he broke our defense down, he was able to get to the paint. Basically, just set the tempo for them." Indeed, Williams set the tempo in a way that I haven't personally witnessed. End the debate and the discussion: this man is an All Star. It's not even close.
Asked whether Williams took a step up over the offseason, Roy stated smartly that "he looked like an All Star for the last 3 years." But Roy also seemed to take the question, and the thought that Williams was the best player on the floor tonight, a touch personally. "I thought he was a little too comfortable tonight. He was having a little too much fun. He didn't act like anybody was guarding him."
So what needs to change? "We need to take that a little more personal next time," Roy said, "[Williams] was out there cruising, shooting any shot he wanted. He kind of toyed with us a little tonight. I take that personal."
Good. This team just got its butt kicked. Exhibition game or not, with or without a number of key players -- Oden, Aldridge, Batum, Fernandez -- the group as a whole should take that loss, to a divisional rival, personally.
Better to take it personally now so they can get started flipping that switch as soon as possible.
Nate's Postgame Comments
Thoughts on the game.
Um, not good. I liked the unit at the end of the game scrapping. But we didn't establish ourselves early in that ball game. Establish that we could run an offense, we had 7 turnovers in that first quarter. Right now, I think some of think we can flip a switch and that it's all of a sudden going to happen when the 27th comes. We've gotta get to work.
Haven't shot well. Causes?
I think we're getting some looks, we've got to knock down those shots. We know we can shoot the ball. You gotta put the ball in the hole when you get that opportunity.
The way the guys are feeling.
I think some of that is going to take some time. We do have some new guys, Martell is out there, Miller is out there, with our groups, Bayless is out there. These are guys that haven't played a lot together or played with a unit. You're going to see some of that. It really doesn't make a huge difference, if you've got 5 guys they know what they're supposed to do. And the execution. But the effort that's got to be picked up. Early in that game we were going through the motions on some of our sets. Some of the things that we were trying to do.
Can you talk about the defense?
No. No. I mean, again, when you're not scoring what ends up happening is you're taking it down to the defensive end of the floor. If you commit to the defensive end of the floor, you don't worry about the scoring. I felt like tonight we were worried about not how we were going to score and the fact that we weren't scoring, and on the defensive end of the floor we didn't commit there.
What was message to team?
What I'm telling you: we've got to pick it up. We're getting two types of effort. I saw a group the last quarter, guys who are trying to get in the rotation and make the team, scrap. I saw a group early kind of give in to the physical play and not work themselves out of that, like I saw in the Denver game, in the fourth quarter of that game.
Chemistry
We didn't have the total group there. Howard was there. It wasn't LaMarcus. We were missing some guys. We haven't had that group. I think that is important. Guys being familiar with each other. Knowing what to do, what to run, where each other is going to be.
Batum's Status
He got his hip, he hit his hip. He was pretty sore so we just sat him out.
[Note: after the game, Nic Batum told me in the locker room that he is unsure whether he will play in Thursday's game against the Phoenix Suns and that he will receive treatment on his hip tonight.]
LaMarcus Aldridge's Status
I was planning on playing him, the doctor said right before the game he felt we should hold him. That we shouldn't take a chance on playing him tonight.
Are you concerned about LaMarcus?
We feel it's going to be ok. They just felt let's give it another day or so and take a look at that. He was planning to play. But the doctor basically said we need to hold him.
Greg Oden's status
I don't know. Tomorrow we'll see if he can run a little bit. See who is available for Thursday's game.
Concerned?
It is preseason . That's the key. The big thing, the important thing is, it's still preseason. You expect these things. We have to work it, we have to work it out.
Deron Williams
He did what he can do. He's great with the ball, aggressive with the ball, he broke our defense down, he was able to get to the paint. Basically, just set the tempo for them.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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Looks like the Blazers could use some more pre-season
I feared that would happen with the integration of Andre (and more Oden) into the game, looking good on some nights and really bad on others. I guess my 55 wins prognosis isn’t that wrong, we might be in for a slow start especially on nights were either LaMarcus or Roy aren’t clicking either.
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
No time to panic like the present ...
Wish we were opening against Detroit or Indiana.
"Is it always like this?" Collins said after the scrimmage. "It was like the first game of the NBA playoffs or something."
by Y5k on Oct 21, 2009 5:21 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I've been to 3 of the 4 home games this pre-season...
…and I have to say that the officiating tonight was the worst of all of them. Refs blowing whistles anticipating a foul, or swallowing a whistle on an actual foul. It’s really enough to make a fan shake his or her head in disgust. Now, fairly, these replacement refs are clearly learning as they go, and had little training beforehand, but still…
On the players, I thought Brandon played much better tonight, got his flow going early, when nobody else could put the ball in the basket. Outlaw, Howard, the Inferno… They all had decent games scoring-wise. Turnovers are going to be a problem until the team gets used to a faster tempo.
But I would venture to guess if LMA had played there would have been more flow to our offense, more punch.
Blazers win!
by The X-man on Oct 21, 2009 1:03 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
They look out of sync?
That’s what happens when you keep messing with the lineups. Solidify something, don’t keep jerking people around. He did the same thing at the start of last season with Batum and it didn’t work. The only thing worse than benching Miller is to start him a few games here and there, talk about how the players “decide” who starts, and then bench him after he destroys Blake. Of course Andre looks out of sync, every game is a roller coaster ride of random lineups.
If he doesn’t know rotations by now then there’s a problem. Pick something and let that group work it out.
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 21, 2009 1:07 AM PDT reply actions 8 recs
we need 5 players
that start, that are our main go-to players…sure we have depth and if injuries and fatigue happen then you pull your starters out. But I think this “depth” thing is becoming a hindrance for the fact that you need your top 5 players as a team to start and to play a chunk of your minutes.
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Oct 21, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree
The inconsistency of line-ups is definitely a problem.
In my little fantasy world, McMillan would have stuck to starting Blake from the beginning and told Miller that he’s competing for minutes. The better Miller plays, the earlier he comes into the game. If starting is off the table, it’s less of distraction. That might not have worked, but it surely would have been better than what we’ve seen.
Another reasonable strategy would have been to start Miller, have Blake be the first guy off of the bench, so that he gets most of his 8 minutes a half while Brandon is in the ball game.
Sticking to either approach would surely be better than what we’ve got.
can the whole season
be preseason?
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Oct 21, 2009 1:32 AM PDT reply actions
It will seem that way in a couple of years...
like it does to the Fakers and Celtics…
A week ago I was saying there was nothing wrong with the guys that a couple sprained ankles wouldn't cure
I figured that would eliminate the logjams and let the unscathed guys find their rhythm. But this is too much of a “good thing.” And the timing is bad: just when Nate was intending to end the experimentation and settle on a rotation, the team is riddled with minor injuries.
Time to brace for a slow start. The good news: it’s a long, long season.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
I didn't listen to the game tonight, but
I went to the nuggets game and have listened to all others. But one thing I noticed at that nuggets game was that Miller was taking far too many shots. And they were BAD shots. Too deep. Too off. That’s not his game. And now hearing that he air balled a few tonight… I’m sort of upset by this. I mean so far this preseason Roy has sacrificed some stardom so that the team could distribute the ball and see how the less developed players could play within different lineups. Maybe I’m wrong, but I just don’t like seeing miller shoot as much as he has been. I like the touches he’s getting, just not some of the shots.
-I think- I hope miller will be more selective, and more sparing in his shot selection
during the season.
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Oct 21, 2009 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions
also
we need to quit with this idea that everyone on the team can play 30 different position and be okay with that. Brandon Roy, sure, he can play out of position and not get lost. Trout can’t, he can barely keep SF straight, don’t go and confuse him by placing him in PF. Likewise LMA might be able to handle occasional center minutes, but he is a PF.
Bayless is a SG. Rudy is mostly a SG. Batum is SF. Play these people were they should play and they will understand their role and not get confused about what they are doing. Too many lineups and trade outs and no one has any idea what is going on….STOP IT ALREADY!
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Oct 21, 2009 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Not
I also agree that McMillan has a tendency to stir the pot, and that it has a negative impact on player performance. I would also say that players are put on the court to figure out what they can or can’t do. Whether Outlaw is a 4 on a given night entirely depends on if it is a favorable matchup. Quite often, last season – it was. Outlaw will always have his limitations against bigger players, but those players have issues with him as well. Used judiciously, extreme mismatches can be beneficial.
That goes for everyone on the team and is a concept that Nate does handle appropriately most of the time.
by blacknoiseNW on Oct 21, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Miller has shot a good percentage throughout his career
This is not something to worry about.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
He doesn't have good rhythm yet.
But I watched Miller a bunch the last couple years and the last thing I’m worried about is him shooting us out of games. He’s an anti-gunner, gets everyone involved, looks to pass first. In 2008 he took 34 three point attempts for the whole season. He’s just not looking for that shot, at all.
I’m guessing he probably has the best shot selection and highest BBIQ of anyone on the team. It’s not going to be a problem.
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 21, 2009 1:55 AM PDT up reply actions
At least two of his long shots...
we forced up because the shot clock was running down… He didn’t look good today, I’ll grant you that. But it looked like he was going about 50%…
Should be
and if not, I love me some Blake
It's just preseason, it's just preseason
I’m trying not to read too much into the preseason, but I’m getting worried about the team heading into the season. There’s one week left before the regular season starts and this is where we’re at? Aren’t you supposed to be getting better and improving as the preseason progresses? The whole team just seems so discombobulated out there. There’s no chemistry or cohesion whatsoever. Enough tinkering with the lineups and stick with one already. I get that this hasn’t been easy because of the recent injuries to Oden, LA, Batum, and Rudy, but at least the PG dilemma should have been ironed out by now.
And am I the only one concerned that so many players are dinged up already? Oden, Batum, Rudy, LA… Not exactly a good omen coming into the season, but maybe it’s better that they’re happening now rather than later.
It's was a horrible game...
…it was a horrible preseason game. You never want to learn to embrace excuses, but The Blazers did have some unexpected events happen. I have to think Oden and LMA would of made a world of difference.
The other reality is that preseason has revealed some realities good and bad. Oden has improved, Miller has skills, Webster can play, Josh Howard can help this team. On the bad side, there seems to be something wrong. At this point it’s both tangible and intangible. Tangibly you can see that our defense needs a lot of work, tangibly you can see that this team is struggling with regaining it’s identity on the court and finding cohesion.
Towards the second issues, Why this seems to be such a struggle is far more less tangible. I’m a little in the dark here. Did The Blazers forget the mantra of " Hungry and Humble"? I don’t mind losing a home game, but losing one when it appears the most of the available players are playing in a detached manner is frustrating. I don’t mind losing a preseason game, but I want the players to look like they want to win it.
Like I said, I’m not one to panic, but I agree with Ben. The Blazers better find that switch quickly. As Bob Dylan once sang, “It’s not dark yet but it’s getting there”.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
Josh Howard could help this team.
But he has some off court issues and there’s already a pretty sizable logjam at his position.
:)
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 21, 2009 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh man....
…..my only excuse is that it’s preseason for me too! Sorry Juwan Juwan..Juwan, it’s 2:00 AM…I’m blaming insomnia!
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
I'm starting to lose it myself.
It is nice to know than Howard can help this team. We haven’t had a PF who could pass that well in forever, unless I’m forgetting someone.
It’s late.
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 21, 2009 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok, imagine this.
Imagine the Portland Trailblazers rolled out of bed at like 5 in the morning, immediately put on their uniforms and played a game of professional basketball together. That was last night’s game. Nobody really seemed to want anything other than Travis Outlaw, Dante Cunningham and late in the game, Jerryd Bayless. Roy kinda sleepwalked through the whole deal. But look, there’s just no getting around this fact. We were forced to put some really unproven combinations of newer guys and deep bench players on the floor. Last night, here’s who played from a minutes standpoint. The guys on the floor played like crap, but seriously. Here’s who played last night.
—
PG: Steve Blake (21:27), Andre Miller (16:02)
SG: Brandon Roy (29:51), Jerryd Bayless (20:55)
Fowards:
Nic. Batum (:54)
Martell Webster (28.52)
Dante Cunningham (20:31)
Ime Udoka (16:36)
Juwan Howard (24:49)
Travis Outlaw (20:34)
C: Joel Pryzbilla (14:10), Jarron Collins (25:18)
—
Look up at those minutes. We played the Utah Jazz who had Millsap AND Boozer active. Hell, most of their roster was available. Jerry Sloan basically played with his rotation a bit, but it looked pretty damn close to being polished if you ask me. I’m no Jazz fan but they looked VERY cohesive. Like, all their guys healthy and ready for the season cohesive.
..and we had no Rudy, Batum, LaMarcus, Oden and Joel plays limited minutes.
That’s the second guy we run our offense through and basically two starting centers. Joel playing 14 of 48 minutes, had 2 points, 4 rebounds and a bucket full of “kiss my … refs”. I would have appreciated a better effort from the guys we HAD, but I really can’t blame them for being outclassed by Utah’s season ready rotation.
Regarding Hedo Türkoğlu:
Look at the bright side, Blazers fans -- you dodged a bullet. He peaked statistically two years ago. He's allegedly 30 but could be closer to 32 or 33 for all we know. (Do you trust Turkish birth certificates? And isn't it weird that he played four years of pro ball in Turkey in the 1990s?)
- Bill Simmons of ESPN.com
by halo_on on Oct 21, 2009 2:07 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
How did Miller only get 16 minutes?
Blake had zero points and zero assists for most of the game. Why keep playing him?
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 21, 2009 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Well...
Blake was 0-3 from behind the arc, so it’s not like he was helping with spacing or anything. I didn’t see the game so I’m just trying to wrap my head around it.
Miller is smart, like head coaching candidate smart, so I have a hard time believing Blake will have an edge in understanding the system. (at least in the long term) 16 minutes is an awfully short time to expect someone to find their rhythm, and even if Blake does know the system better then doesn’t it make sense to play Miller more so he can work it out, especially in a preseason game?
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 21, 2009 3:39 AM PDT up reply actions
U DON'T GET IT
I was jus’ playing, I figured YOU of all people would get I was jokin’.
You’re usually my pal on these situations, Nick :-(
Morty
Oh, see, I just figured you wrote everything is caps now.
Blake does have the heart of a champion though. Clearly he is way scrappier than Miller and a harder worker. Blake’s basketball IQ is off the charts. He’s a real “blue collar” guy if you know what I mean. (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) I can’t put my finger on it, but there’s something about Blake that I find comforting. It’s almost like I see myself in him somehow.
Miller is a “thug”. He doesn’t play basketball the right way. I just don’t like him very much. I feel, for some reason, that I just can’t relate to him. He did play basketball in Utah, and usually that’s what I like to hear, but I don’t know. I’m just not a fan for some reason.
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 21, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
How did Miller only get 16 minutes?
Andre tweaked his ankle, and—unlike last Wednesday when he fell and limped to the bench for a timeout—last night he wasn’t “milking” it, as Ben insinuated in the game thread
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
hey that would be a great exercise for the team!
Make them roll out of bed at 5:00 am and play hoops. No shower. Just an hour of warmups and then play hoops.
The Beavers under Obama’s brother in law did that last year and look at the way they improved so quickly.
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. -- Thomas Paine, US patriot & political philosopher (1737 - 1809)
Are Batum and Rudy going to play for France and Spain every summer?
There was a lot of anticipation about Nic improving and to this point, certainly on offense, has he shown anything at all? (Meanwhile he’s had a sore shoulder and now whatever injury he sustained tonight.)
Rudy?
Outlaw’s confidence seems entirely gone. It’s known that his brother (at least) reads the Portland blogs. He needs a new start somewhere else.
Martell? He hasn’t shot well yet. Not even FTs. And he’s played a lot of minutes. It seems like he cannot even get off a 3.
ignacio
It looks that way.
EuroBasket every two years, and World Championship or Olympics in the in-between years. If these guys are going to play year-round every year, I don’t see how they can play at their peak potential in the NBA. Are we underestimating this issue and therefore over-valuing the future contributions of Batum and Rudy (and Claver, Freeland, et. al.)?
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Oct 21, 2009 3:03 AM PDT up reply actions
ohhh
petire is just chopped liver hu hu!!! *grins
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."
-Dave
OK so...
I know that I have myself been looking at these games as “just” pre-season, and telling myself not to panic yet.
But regular season is less than a week away. One thing that kept us in the running last year is that we started off pretty good and were able to suprise a lot of other teams. This year, teams are ready to play us. They hear the hype and I’m sure they can’t wait to beat our beloved Blazers. And we have looked like a hot mess in every game thus far.
I’m starting to panic. I’ll admit it. I do not want to get beat by a Yao-less Rockets team on opening night. And yet I fear that it might happen. It’s hard not to push this key.

"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Oct 21, 2009 6:13 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I admit it, I'm panicking!
And here’s why: I am absolutely not buying anyone sellnig the “unanticipated lineup” thing. Check it out.
People are claiming the absence of Oden hurt the team. Well, sure… but Pryz was starting all last year on the Big Winning Season. And he’s been mentioned as the starter most of training camp. Missing Oden should not have been the big deal it was… it wouldn’t have so badly hurt last year.
LMA was out… this is IS a big deal. But there were games last year where the team was missing either Roy or LMA and in either case the team performed well. As far as I’m concerned, missing LMA was the only unexpected event last night. Shouldn’t this have meant that Travis (our awesome 7yr veteran) and Juwan Howard (or cagey vet) could step in and cover for a game?
Batum got hurt early… but whither Martell Webster?
Missing Rudy… I think this is actually a preggy big deal. But the team supposedly has this logjam at guard. Shouldn’t this be the time that Bayless could step in and lead?
My point with all of this is that depth—depth!—was supposed to be this team’s core strength. Depth and togetherness and team play.
It turns out that if LMA is missing, the team falls apart. It turns out that the depth at guard is a chimera… if one believes last night’s game.
I’m ready to read some analysis on what’s happening to the team that is making this happen. Rotation confusion? System confusion? Roy apathy? Lack of intimidation from Maurice Lucas? But what I don’t think we can do is either
a) Blame the refs
b) Blame the unanticipated absence of LMA and Oden. This team is built and designed (supposedly) to overcome this problem.
Buck Williams for the hall of fame
c) blame it on apathy and experimentation
I’ll make a little bet with you that the Blazers look solid in Game 1 of this season. Take a breath and reeeeeelax, it’s gonna be alright.
Even if they do start out slow, it’s a long, long season. There’s never a reason to panic.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
I hope it's apathy.
I’ll take the bet. By “looking solid,” let us say that the game ends with a Blazers win or are within 8pts of their opponent in a loss.
Buck Williams for the hall of fame
Yuck but it's preseason so it's ok
Or so they tell me.
Anyway…is Dante Cunningham like the third-best player on our team? Maybe he’s the starter at SF.
Blazer Fan
Also I'm going to point out how ridiculous it is to expect...
brand-new refs to perform up to the expectations of horrible refs that have been in the NBA for years. The entire notion is so absurd that it didn’t surprise me at all to see Canzano write an article about it.
Blazer Fan
Refs,DC,Lackluster play
First,The refs are expected to radify the deal wid the NBA.At least now,we can get bad calls from high paid professionals! I think DC is going to be a diamond in the rough.If Trav faulters,DC will steal his minutes.He’s smart and talented.Its true with the new additions,we are playing less instinctive as a team.BECAUSE of our unselfish nature,we are passin up shots to get new players involved.That part is good,but the end result is no continuity as a team.Also’I agree that Dre is takin too many shots,he should be setting the table,as they say.He probably thinks that SOMEONEhas to score!
It's preseason... but this team (and especially Brandon) will come out of the gates slowly...
The scariest thing about the preseason is that Brandon Roy is playing exactly how you would expect someone to play if they haven’t touched a basketball all summer.
It doesn’t look like “I didn’t play 5 on 5” is what he meant. He’s playing like he didn’t touch a basketball. Which unfortunately is what he said.
The best positive spin I’ve heard is that, even if Brandon starts slow, it will all be worth it if he’s healthier and dominating come playoff time. That’s very true.
But in the meantime, we should modify our expectations coming out of the gate. This team may not be ready to challenge the Spurs or the Mavs, much less the Lakers. Not without Roy playing at the same level he played at last year. Obviously, I am still hoping he does that, but all signs point to that being unlikely, at least at first.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
Raise Your Hand...
If any of these statements are remotely surprising to you (ESPECIALLY, the first one).
“Carlos Boozer took Travis Outlaw down to the block and took it to him.”
“Dante Cunningham looked too small to play 4 in the NBA.”
“Ime Udoka looked a step and a half slow on defense.”
“Jarron Collins was a rag doll.”
hand raised
"Carlos Boozer took Travis Outlaw down to the block and took it to him." — Outlaw is not a physical player whose niche is low-box muscling. Had Lamarcus been available, Outlaw would’ve had a different, more exploitable match-up.
"Dante Cunningham looked too small to play 4 in the NBA." Well duh. He’s a rookie and at best could be looked at as a tweener 3-4. He’s also too small to play Center in the NBA. It’s going to take awhile for Dante to develop into a serviceable player.
"Ime Udoka looked a step and a half slow on defense."— Was he guarding Deron Williams also? The whole team came out flat as a pancake. Why single Ime out?
"Jarron Collins was a rag doll."— Another meh… observation. The guy probably won’t even make the cut. There’s a reason for that. It’s called being washed up.
One forgettably meaningless preseason game and “fans” are making Brian T Smith’s “vultures and ambulances chasers” piece come true.
I did not say this. I am not here.
by bow4meow on Oct 21, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that none of those things are remotely surprising or concerning...
The only concern, for my money, is that Brandon Roy spent his summer biking and swimming leisurely while Deron Williams was working 6 hours per day on his game with Stockton. And it shows, and will continue to show.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
It's time for Nate to get a little creative in his tactics in order to light a fire under this teams backside
and time for Roy to stop feeling this team out, and show who the alpha dog is.
by JasonT on Oct 21, 2009 8:12 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
yeah Roy should just go and pee on all the bushes in front of all the other players' houses
maybe all except the bushes at Oden’s house because he’s probably a bigger alpha dog.
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. -- Thomas Paine, US patriot & political philosopher (1737 - 1809)
Yeah, Greg's bladder is probably bigger
Brandon’s bushes would drown.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
Once again
Nate goes with the Starting 5 from last year, and the Blazers play a horrible game, they start out horrible, and just never get it going. If Nate goes with these same 5 next tuesday, I just won’t know what to say. They have proven this preseason that last year was….well last year. This is a new year, and Nate needs to play his best players.
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Well, at least we don’t have to worry about the Blazers being complacent or cocky going into the regular season. We know they suck, they know they suck.
Time to get your act together. I still maintain that the team may possibly be inherently unstable unless they trade away a couple of players.
The one bright spot is seeing a coupld guys at the bottom of the roster, Bayless and Cunningham, playing their hearts out.
I was there last night and really...
watched the Jazz’s defense from the get go. All I can say is, “wow.” Excellent, tight, swarming, rotating, pork-choppin’, knee-throwin’, Sloan-cheap-shottiin’, you’re-gonna-earn-every-basket smart defense. Their D is a solid 9.6, we played a 2.1. Everything is contested, nothing easy, and they never look panicked, rushed, or out of sync. I really don’t like Sloan, would hate to meet him in a dark alley, but the guy can coach D.
Yeah, we missed a gaggle of guys out there, but aren’t we the team that we herald as exceptionally “deep.” We were in it deep last night, that I can tell you.
Liked what I saw from Dante, and that’s about it. Amazing what 4 years of college can do eh? :^) He may not have all the glitter of an “unlimited upside” 1 year-of-college wonder, but he seems to know where he’s supposed to be out there, plays team basketball, is in position, and doesn’t seem confused out there. Sometimes that’s awful refreshing to watch… But play him at the 3, or against a similar-sized (undersized) 4.
Not hitting the panic button at all, but we need to keep in mind there are other teams like the Jazz out there that play smart, experienced, effective, well-coached ball and can exploit our boys, and slice ’em up on both ends.
You don’t have to be a Utah fan to respect the Jazz! And they were actually missing Hapring, CJ Miles (who started 70 something games for them last year), and Korver.
That’s what makes the Blazers’ lackadaisical approach to this game so disturbing. The NW division is going to be decided by one or two games, after all 82 are in the books. These first few games of the season do actually have some importance! Because a healthy, in-sync Utah and a fired-up Denver are ready to leave Portland in their dust right now.
by ~SPECIAL GUEST~ on Oct 21, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Blazers made my son CRY!
I took my 6 year old to the game last night and by the third quarter he was so frustrated by the play of the blazers that he started crying. I knew exactly what he was feeling – the blazers were completely outplayed in every facet of the game. They were never in it and never looked like they could compete. On offense they looked plan-less on defense they were hopeless. It was simply terrible to watch. The refs did not add much to the game, but at least provided someone other than the team to shout at.
It this continues it will be a long season….
get your son a Fakers jersey
or maybe a Cavs jersey. Make him accept LeBron as his idol.
Then maybe he won’t cry anymore.
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. -- Thomas Paine, US patriot & political philosopher (1737 - 1809)
..
This just in. Travis Outlaw doesn’t play defense.
This is new news?
Regarding Hedo Türkoğlu:
Look at the bright side, Blazers fans -- you dodged a bullet. He peaked statistically two years ago. He's allegedly 30 but could be closer to 32 or 33 for all we know. (Do you trust Turkish birth certificates? And isn't it weird that he played four years of pro ball in Turkey in the 1990s?)
- Bill Simmons of ESPN.com
I've said it before and I'll say it again
this idea that having players constantly fighting for playing time with each other leads them to play better is just not true in the NBA. It’s simply been proven time and time again that players play better with established roles with set responsibilities where they know what they need to do and what all their teammates will be doing game in and game out. This “competition” across the board clearly isn’t helping the team play better. Sure, it’s nice to have all these guys in case of an injury, but a pecking order needs to be established, and guys will just have to slot into it, happy or not.
We had such a clear example of this last year that I’m shocked that people still think this is a good thing. At the start of the year, Sergio was the clear backup, and Bayless was mired on the bench, and both played okay. Blake goes down, Sergio becomes the starter, Bayless the backup, and both play better. Then, after Blake comes back and there’s an open competition of sorts, both guys are just awful for the next w months until Nate gives the job back solely to Sergio, who plays the best ball of his career. When they were both competing for time, both were pressing and making poor decisions. Somewhat like Steve spending his preseason trying to split double teams and Andre taking 15+ shots/night.
Nate just needs to sit these guys down, tell Miller he’s the starter and that Blake will back him up, same with Nic and Webster and Oden and Joel.and that those guys need to start getting comfortable with those roles. For how upset Nate might have been that he didn’t have a chance to defend his position after Seattle drafted Gary Payton, it’s pretty clear that turned out well for Seattle as a team. Blake/Joel may not like the idea of having their jobs just given to Miller/Oden, but if that’s what it takes for the team to improve further rather than go through this “competition”, they’ll just have to suck it up.
by Royster on Oct 21, 2009 9:13 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes, however...
I agree that ultimately it is better if a team has defined roles and the roster knows what is likely to be expected of them on a game to game basis. However, this is pre-season, this is where preventing injury, and tinkering with line-ups mix. If it was regular season, we might of played Aldridge and Oden.
I also think a lot of people are misunderstanding McMillan. What he is faced with is a roster with a lot of depth and potential parity. McMillan was a player, and I think he understands the vital aspect of this group embracing the concept of TEAM. Together Everyone Achieves More? This is something this team must believe. Therefore, I think this team, more than say a Utah, which simply does not have a lot of depth, is focused during Pre-Season with experimentation. Also given the recent history of The Blazers I think coaching and medical staff are going to be conservative. Thus, key players aren’t going to be risked in pre-season contests.
What McMillan says concerning roles, is that he want’s the players to make his decisions difficult. So yes, he wants them to compete and believe that their play can influence the amount of time they receive. But he isn’t saying he’s against established roles, he’s not saying he wont make the decision.
There might be some tweaking, a period of extended time into the season where adjustments are made due to exposed realities and/or inevitable injury. But I think McMillan would agree with most of what you are saying, I think he ultimately wants to establish roles and rotation and cohesion. It’s just that with a team this deep and as a former player, I think he wants players throughout the roster to also believe that their performance can also influence opportunity and that opportunity can be earned.
I don’t think when you have players like Przybilla, Blake, Batum and Outlaw who have either been starters and/or played significant or vital roles for The Blazers for the past few seasons or season in Batums case, I don’t think it fair to expect that McMillan would approach or enter pre-season by posting or commiting to an in concrete starting line-up. McMillan is quite correct in saying, I want the players to make my decisions difficult. Now the key becomes does McMillan ultimately make the decisions and do we see some stability once those decisions are made? I can’t say McMillan has failed in this area, because we just haven’t seen the season unfold. If it’s mid-December and The Blazers have had numerous different starting line-ups, and nobody knows their role? I think it fair to say we have a problem,
I think back to the great Blazer team of the early 90’s. With Clyde, Terry, Duckworth, Buck and Kersey the off-seasons were not approached with a lot of vagueness about what our starting line-up would be come tip-off.
I hope soon, in upcoming seasons we establish a starting five that is so cohesive and talented that we once again reach that level of established surety, I agree that it should become part of this teams evolution. Unfortunately, with this still very young roster, and the influx and development of talent that has happened the past few years, we aren’t at the point where I think McMillan or fans should expect that approach to be applied to pre-season.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
I understand not coming into camp with a concrete starting lineup
Fair enough, guys will have to “earn” it. What I don’t understand is not being able to make a decision on it after 2 weeks of camp, and 2 more weeks of preseason games is too much in my eyes. From all the practice reports, it was pretty clear from Ben that Miller and Oden were killing it. At some point there has to be a decision that factors in, we’re working in two more guys who are vastly different from their replacements, and we’d need a maximal amount of time for the rhythm to be developing.
I don’t think it’s an awful thing to have something like Outlaw and Howard battling for backup 4 minutes since that’s not a major part of the team, and it’s a legit quandary since they provide something different and 15 minutes of PF play isn’t going to win or lose us that many games. Having 60% of the starting lineup up for grabs is a different beast.
I understand and believe in the desire to have guys buy into the “team” concept, but is that really best achieved by locking players into these individual battles amongst themselves for PT and roles? It seems to me that it’s be far better to define things early and honestly for players, i.e. finding more minutes in similar roles for guys playing better rather than such massive differences like adjusting starters/reserves. If Blake can earn himself 20 mpg off the bench instead of 15 mpg off the bench by playing well, isn’t that enough? If it gets really bad midseason the starters can always be swapped, but that affects a lot more than just Steve and Andre.
The entire thing is starting to smack to me that Nate is too afraid or unwilling to put his neck on the line with the players. Rather than make a hard decision here that will benefit the team in the long run but risk alienating someone on the team, he’s just muddling through this and hoping it eventually gets worked out. It’s not the worst thing in the world, seasons aren’t made or lost in the first week, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a bad one.
Mainly, though, it’s a little disconcerting to me that, despite losing pretty convincingly in the first round (I know we were close in two of the losses, but we also got pretty handily blown out in games 1 and 6), we’re already of the mind that preseason is entirely for experimenting and messing around with different combos, rather than making the final tweaks and ironing out the kinks. When we win a championship, I’m fine with using the entirety of the following preseason to mess around with new combos, but it’s a little presumptuous in my eyes that we’re already treating the preseason like this.
That's a great point
Competition leads to guys playing to make themselves look good and generally either trying to do too much or playing tight (or both), depending on their disposition.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Oct 21, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
You can't know what a team is until around game 20 and we're not even at game 1.
Last night’s outcome should surprise no one:
- Utah’s players are older and more experienced.
- Utah’s starting five was way better than our starting five.
- Utah is not nearly as deep as we are, but that’s actually an advantage this early in the season. The Jazz players know exactly which of them get which minutes and what their roles are. Nate is still trying to assess new and returning players and has a lot of them to assess. He may even at this point have no idea who his starting five will be in game 1.
- Was Utah missing anyone important? We sure were. Let’s remember that we did beat the Nuggets in the previous game when we had Greg.
I agree that Nate needs to nail-down a starting five now. Today, even. I think his desire to ensure none of his players feel what he felt when Gary Payton displaced him is creating a crisis of leadership and confusing the players. They want to know their roles so they can settle into them. Now there’s only one more preseason game before we face the Rockets.
But there is still no reason to panic.
The Blazers may need longer to gel than we had hoped, but they still have a lot of talent and should still rip through their early schedule, at which point the ship will be sailing smoothly.
by MiledAnimal on Oct 21, 2009 9:38 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I was at the game last night...
and I almost had to start rooting for Utah. They were playing defense, they were moving the ball, getting into the paint, getting themselves second chance opportunities and playing smart. The Blazers…..well, the Blazers looked like a college team that just started playing with each other. I don’t think I saw anybody post up or try to get into the pain besides BRoy and Andre and they didn’t seem to be succeeding. Sometimes I wondered if they were calling any plays because it just looked sloppy on the offensive side and defense wasn’t much better. I wish Nate would decide the lineup he wants to go with and stick to it so the players can get use to playing with each other. And the officiating of course was god awful. I wondered how anyone could get a run together when the whistle was being blown every 45 secs. And that blocking call against Joel that should have been an offensive foul just summed up the night for the blazers. At one point I started to laugh because the officiating was so horrible. I’m so glad the original refs will be back soon. At least they let the game flow a little and are for the most part consistent.
The refs
on Sunday they were pretty terrible, but last night I thought they were Violet Palmer-esque:
just calling the game too tight. it’s boring that way, as it breaks up the flow of the game.
I’m looking forward to once again defending Violet against all the crap BEdgers throw at her soon.
Joel wasn’t set on that blocking foul.
Last night's game...
It was painful in virtually every aspect, unless you happen to be a Utah fan. For the record, I am NOT a Utah fan.
As has been mentioned, the Blazers were out of sorts and out of sync. They all looked as lost as Travis usually looks on defense. Except that this was on offense and defense. The early game plan appeared to be, “Give it to Roy and stand out of the way”. If there was a defensive strategy during the first half, it must have been, “Execute the Damon Stoudamire Matador Defense” in a way that even Damon would blush *whether from pride or embarrassment would be anyone’s guess).
I left the game last night near the start of the 4th period…something I never do, even during an old-fashioned home team beatdown. Last night’s Blazer play was just that fugly.
As for the officiating, I have never missed Violet Palmer…until last night. It was THAT bad. Historically awful. Throw-up-on-the-people-sitting-in-front-of-you wretched. What little flow there was to be had during the game was immediately cast aside by horrific call after horrific call. Nevermind the obvious missed calls…. It got to the point where I wasn’t made at teh officiating crew…just David Stern…and the Owners. If you put this product on the floor, everyone will be sorry.
Which brings me to my final point (WARNING: Conspiracy Theory being postulated!): Perhaps the contract negotiations are being drawn out to distract the fans from the normally inconsistent officiating. What better way to make fans forget Donaghy than to throw this crapfest at us? Hell, someone near me last night even yelled out, “Give us Donaghy!” I found myself nodding in agreement.
Well played Mr Stern…well played…
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ball movement is the key to victory
I mean real ball movement, in which the ball is moving rapidly from one player to another to another, around the key or in and then back out of the key. that kind of ball movement, combined with swarming defense, will usually win games.
So far the Blazers have not exhibited that kind of ball movement. I think this is attributable to the constant lineup changes and the additions of Martell and Miller. Also the dramatic improvement of Oden. When Oden gets the ball in the post the ball usually moves through the net and then the other team gets to take it out of bounds. That tends to put a stop to good ball movement.
But I’d love to see more of the crisp, rapid passing that made the Blazers successfull last year. Hopefully Miller and Roy will find some mojo and make it happen soon.
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. -- Thomas Paine, US patriot & political philosopher (1737 - 1809)
Scrap!
Coach Nate, maybe your players are taking you literally when you say you want them to scrap. Afterall, scrap literally means a detached piece of something or a fragment. This preseason your team looks like detached pieces and fragments.
It's good to see you not panicky.
How worried are you talking? Like enough that you admit something could be wrong but aren’t really sure? Or is it to the level where you know something’s wrong, but don’t know how bad it is?
I’m with you being a little worried that there could be something wrong, but I’m not convinced there is.
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my rational part says something's wrong but its probably a short term thing
the irrationally pessimistic part of me (which is a fair amount of me) is full on panicking.
What's the kid inside saying?
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Get some frosted mini-wheats and put the white side up
t always makes me feel better
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I’d simply argue that Roy and Aldridge haven’t been holding their weight so far this year.
We’re just seeing the results when everyone else tries to do it without them. Only Oden can do it, maybe a bit Miller…
And that laziness by the stars is fine with me as long as it stops when we hit the regular season.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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Trying not to panic...
Simply because it’s the preseason and I would imagine as a player it’s hard to fight that very thought in your head. “Ultimately, this game doesn’t matter. Just don’t get hurt.” I know it might seem unprofessional seeing as how their payed to try to win, but I imagine that’s why they aren’t quite putting it all together. Is it concerning? I think so. I think that something can be said for a team not getting it together in the pre season. That could very well translate to a slow start out of the gate. But last season’s team finished the pre season 4-3 I believe. They also had tough competition and started the regular season 1-3 before finally putting the pieces together. The only thing that’s really terrifying about a slow start is if it goes on too long and puts you out of contention early, but I don’t see that happening to this team. A poor start is a little troubling, but a poor finish is much, much worse.
Not to stray from the subject but...
Can we stop chanting “These refs suck” ? Honestly, that game 1 loss against Houston in the playoffs last year was the worst I have ever felt as a Blazer fan, not because of the beat-down, but because our crowd was EMBARRASSING. Let’s not make the Rose Garden the house of cry babies.
by BangDownLow on Oct 21, 2009 11:37 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
of course
the replacement refs do suck, but we don’t have to chant about it.
by BangDownLow on Oct 21, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
it was pathetic. our team lost because it played like dung. love your team but don’t turn it into a blind love.
Portland's PG of the Future - Meet John Wall
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
Perhaps we're just looking at a team that will have an underwhelming season
this year but will come back more focused and have a more definite direction that they need to go to take the next big step next season. It happens to professinal sports teams with ‘loaded’ rosters all of the time.
Portland's PG of the Future - Meet John Wall
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
It was a good run while it lasted
When’s the next draft?
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by Mortimer on Oct 21, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What the Heck
Yes, it’s true, it would be nice to have settled Blake versus Andre, but as for the rest…
Oden would likely have started last night, but he was wearing a nifty blue blazer on the bench (although the confused guys behind me kept barking at Nate about playing Oden, and they weren’t kidding).
Juwan Howard started because LaMarcus was injured. Batum came out of the game before a minute was gone.
How on earth could they possibly have had any chemistry???!!!
And if it weren’t for the injuries, we would mostly be viewing a pretty stable lineup at this point. I don’t get the “nate sucks” tone of most of these comments. I can only imagine what we’d hear if Nate had played the injured guys and they’d been hurt worse. Actually I don’t have to imagine it, because I heard it over and over and over and over on here last year.
by Section323 on Oct 21, 2009 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Agree 99%
I docked you 1% because you didn’t mention Rudy’s absence and the effect that might have on team chemistry as well. I don’t get the “nate sucks” sentiment either. If there’s anybody who wants to get the rotation settled, it’s Nate. I bet he’s tired of “messing with the lineup” too, but what do you do when there’s a bunch of guys who are injured? Play them in a game that doesn’t count?
At the games I have noted that we don't have that spark
without Rudy. Of course, that might be a “no Sergio to pass to Rudy problem.”
Yeah, Rudy has hardly played
And so we haven’t had his chance to give us a spark all pre-season.
Plus with Batum playing VERY few minutes, the non-regular-season rotations, minor injuries, there is no reason to take anything from this pre-season outside of individual performances from a few players.
Morty
I've just been getting a really bad vibe that Andre Miller doesn't fit with this team. It seems like it's
going to come down to who the Blazers want to win with. Brandon Roy or Miller. Miller having the ball all the time is not good, it takes away from Roy.
On top of that the spacing is horrible when Miller is out there. Players are not in the spots they should be and he is part of the problem. Watching Roy’s 50 point game right now on my computer and the Blazers spacing is incredible. The passing is crisp and the ball movement is exellent.
Andre Miller needs to come off the bench.
For all the Panickers
Good Grief.
Trying to draw conclusions about this team within the context of this preseason is an exercise in lameness.
Its the PRESEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Roy has yet to play a good game. So what?
LMA has had extremely limited time. So what?
Rudy hasn’t played.
Batum has had limited minutes.
So what?
Last season, the Blazers started out 1-3 after winning only 4 preseason games against….Atlanta/Sacramento (2x!!!) and the Clippers while losing to Utah twice and Golden State. During last years preseason, no player repeated as the high scorer with Roy’s one high being 17 points.
Moral of the story. Anyone that thinks they know anything for real, right now, needs to go catch a few episodes of Jerry Springer and really get tuned in.
Look
if the team had been performing amazingly in preseason; I would scoff it away as just preseason, where the games don’t count and conclusions cannot be drawn. If the team had performed poorly or mediocre (as this preseason might be deemed), then I’m willing to put complete stock in what we are seeing as “real” and legit. Double standards be damned.
SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS.
Not panicking,
But concerned about how they stunk up the court last night. Get it together boys you only have a week !!!
"That's just how I get down"........ Andre Miller
This whole starter/bench/unit/chemistry deal is out of control...
I honestly don’t recall it being such a big deal who was starting and who was playing with who with past Blazer squads. It’s not like we have a team full of specialists that can only do one thing. All these guys should be able to put together better basketball with whatever lineup is on the floor.
Granted, I’m not busting my ass out there, but I do think Nate stated the obvious that there is a pervasive feeling of being able to turn it on when it counts, and there hasn’t been that sense of urgency yet. Sure seems like teams like Denver and Utah who have less to prove than we do are already in regular-season mode. We better get there quick.
Denver & Utah have basically the same team as they had last year.
The sky is not falling, when the real games start & the guys see those Rocket jerseys across from them.It will be on.
"BEER IS LIVING PROOF THAT GOD LOVES US"
- Benjamin Franklin-
Doesn't anyone else think it would be stupid to show a divsion rival
your best game when it doesn’t count? Seriously guys, you’ve got to be nuts to think the Blazers tried hard to win this game. I guarantee that Utah didn’t either. When they play again in the regular season, they’ll be totally different teams.
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Thank You...
For Being the Voice of Reason… These games don’t count. I’m going to save my concern for the regular season.
You might be wrong about Utah
They NEVER win in Portland. Sloan might have decided to go for it to break that and give them confidence it could be done in future. Mostly, he played guys as if it was a regular season game.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
I didn't get to listen to much of the game...
but by the box score it certainly looked like the Jazz played more “Regular Season” type minutes.
If beating Brandon Roy and the Seven Dwarves makes them feel tough,
then we have nothing to worry about from the Utah Jazz.
In retrospect I blame Sergio for last night’s loss.
Regarding Hedo Türkoğlu:
Look at the bright side, Blazers fans -- you dodged a bullet. He peaked statistically two years ago. He's allegedly 30 but could be closer to 32 or 33 for all we know. (Do you trust Turkish birth certificates? And isn't it weird that he played four years of pro ball in Turkey in the 1990s?)
- Bill Simmons of ESPN.com
by halo_on on Oct 21, 2009 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
T.E.A.M
Too many Experimental lineups results in Arrested Motion
Utah had their way with us.
I felt like a prisoner in Multnomah Jailhouse bunked with a much bigger, stronger, and hornier roommate.
3 points from section 221 last night.
1. From my view, the Utah Jazz were using the pick and roll, setting screens effectively to get layups, dunks, and open outside shots…While Williams had his way with Blake and Miller in isolation and transition. The only slightly fun thing about this exposition was to watch an excellent basketball player work well within his system.
2. The Blazers were chucking up hesitant and contested jumpers over and over.
It seemed like the Blazers didn’t run any plays. When they did, in the 3rd quarter, where Roy would drive and kick out to an open Blake, Blake missed the 3 pointer both times. They were moving the ball around the perimeter somewhat, but rarely thru the lane. Occasionally Miller would find an open Collins or Thrilla, but neither could score over their defender.
3. If all your offensive sets are to get open jump shots, why were there few open jump shots? These are either very poor plays or very poor execution or both.
The view from 221 was very poor.
I’m not going to jaywalk or speak loudly for the next week for fear of getting put back in the Jail with that roommate.
I'm actually happy that we got our butts kicked
Maybe now Nate has gotten the ridiculous notion that Blake and Joel starts over Dre and GO out of his system. I was worried that if the starters played well together, he might actually go with that lineup when the real games start.
If Roy can’t get used to playing with those two, start Rudy and Roy will be our Ginobilli. If Mr. Max Contract doesn’t like that, package him for CP3. I have been the biggest Roy supporter since before he was a Blazer, but if he can’t work with more talented players he need to go.
It wasn't only a butt-kicking
It was a well-oiled machine vs. an slippery oil spill.
But I agree about starting Andre and GO. They need time to work out the kinks, pick and rolls and defense together. The sooner the better.
Worry when the regular season starts
NO ONE is allowed to worry about pre-season. The only thing we should worry about is that no one gets injured.
We have looked good and we have looked bad, and so has every other team in pre-season. We’ve had quite a few good things develop though— We KNOW, like for SURE, that Oden is a lot better than Joel. That is HUGE. Bigger than anything else. We know it now.
We KNOW Miller is better than Blake, but we also know the huge caveat is that everyone has to learn to play with everyone still. It will come— they are too good and unselfish not to. But it’s just an adjustment period still.
We gotta be beyond the “worry about pre-season” stage in our team’s development. Soon, we will be past the “worry about the regular season” stage, but that’s a few years away. We’re a good team, with a lot of talent, and most should naturally improve. We are seeing Oden blossom before (some of) our eyes, and that makes pre-season a success.
In my opinion, Oden showing he is on his way to becoming Oden is the biggest thing of all. The rest will sort itself out with time.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Oct 21, 2009 12:53 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
You're so cute when you're right
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by hobobob on Oct 21, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Underwhelmed
I was at the game last night and I kept telling myself not to panic.
Kept reminding myself that this is “just” preseason.
Reminded myself that these refs aren’t permanent.
Remembered periodically that we were without LaMarcus, Greg, and Rudy.
Even after all of that meditation I still walked out of the RG with a sickening taste in my mouth.
Batum played less than 1 minute, that defensive option was eliminated.
Joel collected fouls like Windows picks up viruses.
Juwon started the game with a horrible turnover that set the tone for his (and the entire teams) play for the rest of the night.
Travis shot the ball aggressively but clearly shooting isn’t everything.
Miller looked like a crippled old man compared to Williams.
Brandon looked like he is still waiting for the magic moment when the season starts and his testicles finally drop.
There is simply no excuse for our potential Division Champions, our potential second round playoff team, to look the way they did last night.
This wasn’t a coaching issue. This wasn’t an injury issue. This wasn’t a ref issue.
This was a bunch of players telling themselves that last years over achievement was good enough.
I am not buying into my own signature at this point…
2010 IS OUR YEAR PEOPLE!!!
young grasshopper
the only thing you should have learned last night is that our third stringers (gasp) are not good enough to beat Utah.
If you want to jump off the bandwagon because of that, I’ll welcome the legroom.
by blacknoiseNW on Oct 21, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know..
There were moments when Joel, Brandon, Blake, Bayless, and Martell were in, and still could make no progress or run their sets properly. I’m not worried that the team lost, but why the crap couldn’t they get an open shot or two. We don’t look like a T.E.A.M. at all.
It was like they didn't want to play at all.
That was what was creeping me out.
2010 IS OUR YEAR PEOPLE!!!

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