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Compartmentalization of Greg Oden

this could be completely out of left field, but i think it has some degree of validity.

much of what greg oden's strengths are revolve around his defense.  thats what every person talks about him for, and everyone always says "just play defense and rebound."  while i expect to see a much improved greg oden on the offensive end, i think people are selling him short on his offensive potential.  so after workin this summer to get in shape and add some fluidity to his game, he also added in some post moves and a short jumper (so they say, and so i believe 100 percent).  but up until this point i feel like people just wanted him to fit in on offense.  just doing what a big man does by dunking and getting offensive rebounds, then accompanying that with a decent post game.  not anything to write home about..but around maybe 12 to 16 ppg.  people say thats all we need from him.  i think this is hindering his development into what i think can be the best offensive center in basketball.  instead of saying "oh, just be adequate on offense and dominant on D" say "get out there and dominate on BOTH ends."

now i think the advantages of this in the long run are clear.  aldridge right now is our 2nd option on offense, oden being 4th or hopefully third now this year after the productive summer.  but i think he should work hard enough on his offense next summer and however many summers after that to the point where he is either equivalent to roy in priority (kind of like shaq and kobe) or becomes the teams second option.  just seeing how physically intimidating he is combined with some of the rim rattling dunks he has, i think he can emulate Shaq in some areas on that end of the floor.  im not saying he'll be as great as shaq was, but similar.  the variables in this equation are Oden's development of legit moves and the organizations possible plans to consolidate talent (trading some young/talented players for a legit star).  if he coupled those with last season's apparent mentality of "dunk everything," he could exceed predraft expectations if thats possible.

i can easily envision a year or 2 after this one Oden's scoring total increase to around 20 points per game (maybe more) on a ridiculously high field goal percentage of around 58 and a free throw percentage of around 73.  what im getting at here is the difference between a team that is perennial contender to a team that could be a potential dynasty.  because, unfortunately, i think the lakers and celtics (even tho they are up there in age, i still think they have 2 to 4 good years left) are built that way in terms of talent and team philosophy.  so since the lakers are in the west, we should consistently become their WCF opponent in the very near future.  and since kobe/pau/bynum/artest/odom are locked up for the next couple of years it couild become the new rivalry.

but it wont become a happy one unless greg realizes his full potential.  that is, getting past his injuries and foul troubles (linked to his being out of shape) and trending up in terms of rate of development.  the reason im stressing this is because i think the only way to become the class of the league is for Greg to become that kind of player on both ends of the floor.  if he becomes solid on the offensive end, i could see them winning MAYBE (possibly none) 1 or 2 titles depending upon how the rest of the team does.  but if he becomes very good or great on that end, i could see them winning 4 or 5 even if the other youngins dont develop as much as they can.

so what im hoping for is for people to challenge him to become that player.  after getting his mental state more in line, i feel like he is fully capable of handling such expectations.  the man has a very increased awareness, which led to his semi antisocial tendencies last year after not living up to expectations (very unfair expectations after the injuries and his age in basketball years).  this was both good and bad.  being aware of expectations allows you put the work in to live up to them but is coupled with the pressure to do so.  this is where greg has progressed significantly  by knowing how to deal with the expectations by improving and still having fun.

so dont put him in a box.  if what im hoping for does happen, it would be the most challenging path to stardom in a long time in my mind.  all im sayin is that im fully confident in gregs abilities and am hoping that even if he has a successful year, complacency does not set in in either him or those around him.

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Oden is the one who will determine how good he gets offensively. Just like you’re the one who will decide whether or not to improve on finding the shift key in order to capitalize. Once you get that down, your readability will skyrocket—we’re talking dynasty.

by Interested on Oct 2, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

KaZAAM!

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by Clevelander among roses on Oct 2, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Among other things.

It would be nice if Oden could hit his little hook from the baseline at 58%.

by lethaldose on Oct 2, 2009 9:57 PM PDT reply actions  

If he gets there it would be nice, but don't expect it.

This whole post contradicts itself though. You say that the expectaions weighed too heavily on him and that kept his mental state off balance. However the idea of this post is a call for the readers to increase thier expectations even more in certain areas of Greg’s game. First off, he hasn’t met the original predraft expectations yet and you’re trying to increase those expectations aleady.Yes, it would be nice if he exceeds expectations in his offensive game. You shouldn’t expect it nor should you expect a dynasty. There will be probably be plenty of people upset if he is only a 15 ppg player and we (only?!) win 1 Championship during this Blazers era. That’s just riddiculous in itself. One last point, this team is built for a lot longer than your projected championship window for the Celtics and L*kers, and I would be thrilled to get just one championship within the next 4 years. I would say though once those teams are on the downslope, the rest of the league will chasing the Blazers for a long time barring some serious setbacks.

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and this is the best I could come up with.

by einman77 on Oct 2, 2009 10:58 PM PDT reply actions  

its not a contradiction

if greg hadnt been to a sports psychologist and worked on clearing his mind, i would understand ur stance. but since hes comfortable now and realizes there are going to be expectations, its ok to speak of them and increase them because ultimately its not like hes going to be a bad player. if he doesnt livve up to expectations, he wont go into a shame spiral after learning how to cope. and since hes at least going to be a solid player, there are still chances for success for the whole team.

what im saying is that if u keep putting a definition on his game, it might create a satisfaction with merely becoming a definition. breaking through that barrier of what is considered “realistic expectations” will be more of a guarantee for success than just allowing him to become a defensivve force and adequate on the other end.

by saveourbluths on Oct 3, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Friend, you need to realize something

Public statements and private expectations are two different things.

In public, the team is talking about defense because 1) that is his natural strength 2) it is likely he will provide it, so it keeps public pressure off of him 3) that is his first step in becoming a great player.

In private, they are also sending Bayno to work with him over the summer, and Bayno has a proven record in developing big men into low post offensive machines.

All we need to challenge for championships is for Greg to be an effective defender and rebounder, and that is what they are saying in public. But they aren’t going to waste the opportunity to develop him into a monster on the offensive end. He has the touch, the good hands, the quickness, and the hops.

We probably won’t really see it that much this year, but it’s coming. We can relax about this one — the Blazer high command sees everything you see.

As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.

by jscot on Oct 3, 2009 1:30 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

and 1000 booo’s on you… no no no not you jscot.

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

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by faith on Oct 3, 2009 5:59 AM PDT reply actions  

This post is

“Fatty Goes to Community College”

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.


now I think this might have been the better JD
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by haildablazer on Oct 3, 2009 6:25 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Oh fatty, may you aspire to this level of writing one day.

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and this is the best I could come up with.

by einman77 on Oct 3, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

hmm

is greg going to get more passes now, once our main shooters are locked up into long contracts. is the selfish brandon going to go back to being his unselfish self now that the money thing isnt a thing anymore.?

by riccc_l on Oct 3, 2009 7:17 PM PDT reply actions  

OK

One preseason game, might mean little, but 18 points, with some nice offensive moves AND some nice passes. Does it look like Greg’s offensive potential is being ignored?

As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.

by jscot on Oct 7, 2009 6:13 AM PDT reply actions  

emphasis must continue in regular season

the point i was getting at is that in order to succeed in this league with the great teams getting greater, greg will have to be challenged to be great on both the offensive and defensive side of the ball. dwight jaynes just wrote about it too, citing mcmillans proclivity of saying “just D up and rebound.”

so yes, he had a good preseason…but there were times when he was getting good results but then the team just kind of got away from him. he is more important to the offense than lamarcus and should be accounted for on most plays. he should especially be force fed against the rockets tomorrow, as is outlined in the preview on the main page.

i just wish people like nate and greg himself would stop saying its cool if i just do my thing on D. he obviously worked on his offense this summer, but the more progress made in that area, the better off he and the team will be.

by saveourbluths on Oct 27, 2009 12:38 AM PDT reply actions  

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