Media Row Report: Blazers 98, Nuggets 96
The pre-season slugged along tonight as the Nuggets and Blazers combined to commit 67 fouls and shoot 90 free throws in a flowless game that saw the Blazers wind up on top, 98-96. Kudos to most of the Rose Garden fans for sitting through it all. The fans were rewarded with a 4th quarter comeback sparked by a dominating stretch from Greg Oden and some off-the-dribble assertiveness from Brandon Roy. It was an unexpected late-game turnaround keyed by two players who battled foul trouble all night: Oden ended up fouling out in just 15 minutes of play while Roy just missed fouling out in 21 minutes.
Much of the turnaround can be credited to differing late-game strategies: Nate McMIllan opted to go for the win while George Karl gave Carmelo Anthony the fourth quarter off. Anthony's absence was the difference-maker, as he approached the exhibition game like a playoff game, going for 21 points, 7 rebounds, and a technical foul for punting the ball the length of the court, in 28 minutes of action. Credit goes to Nic Batum, Martell Webster and Travis Outlaw for making him work for his points.
Greg Oden
Oden looked like the Oden of the past for the first three quarters, getting whistled for foul after foul as the Nuggets aggressively attacked his body and the refs didn't give him the benefit of the doubt. In the fourth quarter, though, Oden came alive on both ends, scoring 12 points in just under 7 minutes, dunking over a hopeless Birdman and swatting away two shots in perhaps the best six minute stretch we've ever seen from him.
Oden got the start tonight which was a surprise, as Nate McMillan had earlier told reporters that Joel Przybilla would be starting. Indeed, Nate didn't notify Oden until "just right before [afternoon] shootaround," according to Oden, that he would be starting. Oden called the last-minute switch "a game changing thing" and admitted that his mental approach to a game is different depending on whether he starts or comes off the bench. "I was just, you know, I had to prepare myself a little bit differently," Oden told me after the game, "When you start you have to be ready at the start of the game, when you come off the bench you can kinda see the flow of the game already...that was something that Nate came up with and I just had to be ready to play."
Through 3 quarters, Greg had 4 points, 1 rebound and 4 fouls in 7:32. How'd that game-changer work out?
I'm not big on armchair coaching but I will say this: waffling on who starts at center runs counter to Nate's other coaching principles. It prevents an important player from establishing his mental rhythm. It doesn't appear to reflect any on-court performance: starting Joel would not be a decision made on the merits of their respective play to this point. It also confuses the rest of the team and changes their mental approaches, as playing with Greg is vastly different than playing with Joel.
The time for going back and forth, testing various combinations, might not yet be over. But the time for yo-yoing Oden's role should be finished. Start him. Continue to start him. Work to develop him as your starter. The message you send to a relatively fragile player like Oden by not starting him (or even considering not starting him) is a message, at this point, that should be avoided at all costs. Don't force him to over-think or to prepare himself in two different ways over the course of a single day. Recognize the progress, appreciate the progress and build off of the progress; don't jeopardize the progress.
Brandon Roy
Roy's shot continues to be off, way off. He started unbelievably slow, managing to hit just 1 of his first 7 shots. The one he did hit was the most difficult, fading away and falling to the ground after getting fouled. Roy seemed hesitant at times, rushed at others, regularly not in sync. Without his usual running mate, LaMarcus Aldridge, I think Roy caught himself looking around for help offensievely, particularly early in the game. Good that Juwan Howard stepped up and provided some much-needed offense or it could have been ugly.
In the fourth quarter, we saw what we've come to expect from Roy down the stretch, nifty ball-domination, foul-drawing drives and smart decisions under pressure. Roy shot 8 free throws in the final period (but only made 5) and finished with 12 points.
After the game, Roy lamented that the officiating was "just different" from last year, and I think he continues to be the Blazer most frustrated by the replacement refs. He doesn't seem to be getting the "star calls" that he got last year, nor many of the calls he expects when initiating contact while driving to the hoop. Fall to the floor, flail the arms, yell out loud: nothing is having much effect so far during the pre-season.
The new refs are causing every player to adjust but Roy seems more miffed than most.
Point Guards
Well, Dre (18 points, 4 assists) sure looks to get his own shot. 5 for 18 probably has a few eyebrows raised and his shot-selection, especially down the stretch, was cringe-inducing at times. Memorably, he chucked up a contested 3 on one possession and went one-on-one against Billups, only to throw up a contested mid-range jumper that badly missed on another possession.
With that being said, Nate didn't have any better alternatives: Blake was ice cold all night, Brandon was in foul trouble, Rudy was out of action due to injury and Nate still doesn't really trust Bayless. Andre had 4 assists and pushed the tempo at the right time to get some easy buckets and, perhaps more impressively, he did a nice job matched up against a number of bigger players when Nate went to Blake/Miller and Bayless/Miller backcourts.
Most impressively, Miller didn't commit a single turnover in 38 minutes of play, something that I didn't think I would be able to write this season.
At first glance, Nate's comment below that "Andre was in a rhythm so we stuck with him" seemed very strange. How much of a rhythm can you be going 5 for 18? What I think Nate meant to say was "Blake wasn't in a rhythm at all so I stuck with Andre." It was unfortunate we weren't able to watch Blake shoot the lights out in Utah because the Blake we saw tonight (8 points, 1 assist, 3 turnovers) didn't give Nate any real reason to play him over Miller. If Blake's shot isn't falling -- and tonight it wasn't, as he missed a number of wide-open looks as Denver's defense failed to rotate -- the argument for him to see the court dwindles incredibly quickly.
Tonight, an energetic Jerryd Bayless brought more to the table as he worked hard on defense and attacked the basket repeatedly, doing a reasonably good job in making decisions and drawing fouls. Bayless's 11 points, 0 assists and 1 turnover did nothing to quell the notion that he's not a "true point guard." But he worked well in tandem with Miller and he exploited Anthony Carter's old age repeatedly and showed a fearlessness in attacking the Birdman.
While Brandon fails to get the "Superstar Calls," Jerryd seems to be benefitting from a lack of the "rookie treatment." He didn't get dinged for any touch fouls on the perimeter and he got to the line 7 times by employing his specialty: hurtling at the rim full blast. In the end, he only got his opportunity to shine because of Rudy's absence and Roy's foul trouble. Which is pretty depressing.
Wings
As mentioned, Batum, Webster and Outlaw combined to successfully throw different looks at an inspired Carmelo Anthony. At one point, Travis even swung a pretty vicious elbow which surprised just about everyone, including Anthony. Batum continues to do the little things -- play the passing lines well, poke away loose balls, hit an open 3 -- while not contributing to any wasted possessions on offense.
He also made his teammates laugh while he slammed the ball and screamed after a foul call, which drew a technical. After the game, Roy told reporters that Przybilla told one of the officials that Batum couldn't be whistled for a technical because "he can't speak English." Roy also said the referee admitted that he hadn't understood what Batum was yelling. Nevertheless, the aggressive ball slap and accompanying glare is a technical foul in any language.
Martell had a quiet night (3 for 5 for 7 points in 20 minutes) and again did nothing to make me think Nate would switch things up and start him over Batum. Travis continued his rough preseason, going 1 for 7 with 3 turnovers, and drew some second half boos from sections of the Rose Garden crowd. While he did manage to have an impressive stuff of Carmelo at the rim (and a total of 3 blocks?!), his offensive decision-making is not where it needs to be. Settling for contested shots, shooting early in the shot clock, taking wild shots off the dribble, missing opportunities to dump the ball in the post, the list goes on.
In particular, the combination of Webster and Outlaw on the court at the same time seems to be a problem combination for the Blazers. Both have struggled to create points for themselves and both find themselves needing to do just that when they are playing next to Przybilla. If neither one is hot, and Andre Miller is in the game, you can see a light go off in Dre's head: "I need to do the scoring because none of these other guys can do it." No doubt Miller has found himself playing alongside units in the past where that was the case, where taking over offensively was the best option. WIth this team, you'd hope that Miller would look to consistently get these other guys going and that one of them -- Webster, Outlaw, somebody -- would be able to rise to the occasion.
Juwan Howard
Howard was 4 of 6 for 10 points and stuffed his line with 5 rebounds, 3 assists, and 2 steals in 35 minutes. He out-played Kenyon Martin head to head, if you can believe that. His passing, which has drawn so much attention, was again on point tonight and he created a number of easy buckets simply by dumping it to guys who had point-blank lay-ups.
Given how reliable his mid-range jumper is -- and how intelligent his shot-selection is -- one could easily envision a future where Howard plays a fair number of minutes in the backup 4 role and Nate runs Martell and Travis at the 3, going with whomever appears hotter or matches up better with the opponent on any given night. You don't want to rush to conclusions on something like this -- particularly because the rotation was scrambled with LaMarcus out completely tonight -- but it needs to be raised as a possibility.
On the Blazers' last possession -- up 2 with less than 10 seconds to play and the ball on the side out of bounds -- Howard got whistled for a push off foul that nearly cost the Blazers the game. Blake was the inbounder, with Martell all the way in the backcourt to drag Ty Lawson away from the play, and Miller and Roy breaking towards the ball. Neither Roy nor Miller was able to get open and Blake's view was obstructed by Kenyon Martin. Why Batum isn't the inbounder we'll never know. In any case, Blake was up against the 5 second count and threw a lame duck pass in Howard's direction and Howard pushed off in the process of receiving the pass. After the game, Nate would only say that he thought Howard was fouled prior to the push off, which seemed to sidestep the larger issue of the team's poor end-of-game situational execution.
Hopefully when the coaching staff looks at the tape tonight, they start with that play.
Joel Przybilla
Przybilla had a signature night, blocking 4 shots, gathering 11 rebounds (6 offensive) and flagrantly shoulder checking J.R. Smith to the ground for no apparent reason with 8 seconds left in the third quarter. He had a quiet night offensively (2 of 4 for 6 points) despite filling in big minutes with Greg in foul trouble. His presence and attitude against the Nuggets is crucial but it seemed like he wasn't alone tonight in playing with a little ferocity. This team is older, wiser and maybe a little bit tougher than it was six months ago. Joel continues to set that tone.
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Nate's Postgame Comments
Did you flip a switch in the fourth quarter?
I thought the entire game we were better. We picked up our intensity. The focus was there. The defensive pressure, working, was better. Offensively we were running some plays and getting a little better execution so from the start it was there. What I really liked from our guys was we were down 10 in the fourth and I remembered during the timeout, 'get your heads up,' and we come back and win that game. We've been in that situation before, last year, it's something to build off of, we're never out of a game, seven minutes to go in that game, we're down 10, momentum had swung, we started to get stops and started to score and came back and we won that game.
Greg's play during the fourth quarter.
I thought it was good. I thought he played, he remained aggressive, he played smart down the stretch with five fouls. That last foul could have gone either way. But he got us going. He got us in the penalty. They were killing us at the free throw line and we were able to get back into the ball game as far as getting to the free throw line. A lot of that was going inside to Greg and attacking the basket.
How much progress did you make in coming to a conclusion about the rotation?
I'm ready. I'm pretty much ready for the start of the season. I won't talk about who we are going to go with but those guys that played tonight -- we went back and forth with combinations, I was rotating according to the game -- Andre ended up playing 30+ minutes tonight, he had somewhat of a rhythm tonight going so he stayed there. Different nights we could change. I thought Bayless gave us something good coming off the bench. Joel coming off the bench. I thought that second group, Nicolas's defense on Carmelo, staying solid, making him earn it. The combination of those 10 guys -- we were missing of course Rudy and LaMarcus -- but it will be a combination of those type guys playing.
Are Bayless and Howard pushing for rotation minutes?
I like what both of them did. I thought both of them came in. Howard has played well throughout preseason. Bayless has played well. We know we've got those guys. That opportunity --whether they're in the rotation or not -- that opportunity could come somewhere during the month of November. We know we've got them. If they continue to play like that, of course they're going to play. I thought Bayless did a nice job of being aggressive, pressuring the ball and Howard was just solid.
How much stock do you put in Travis's play this season?
I'm looking, right now, I'm looking at everybody's play.
I'm asking about Travis's.
And I'm telling you about everybody. I'm looking at everybody's play. We know some things that Travis can do. Preseason, he's trying to get a rhythm. I'm looking at everybody's play.
How would you characterize Travis's play?
He hasn't found his rhythm. Part of that is finding that rhythm, it is still training camp, but we know what he's capable of doing also.
Did you see more scrappy play tonight like you've been looking for?
I thought we started out that way. I thought the game we played that way. As I said, that Utah game kind of saw that, and we wanted to build off of that. We had a solid practice yesterday and then tonight we brought that intensity into the game. That level of play is what we've got to get to to give ourselves a chance to win. We've got to get better than that, we've got to get sharper, our turnovers were down a little bit tonight, 15 for 10 points, we've been around 20 turnovers for 30 some points, a little better there, transition we didn't give up a lot of fast break points. A little better tonight. We want to continue to build on this.
Are you almost ready for the regular season?
We'll take it from tonight's game, we'll look at tape, and go into practice to work and sharpen up on both ends of the floor. Regardless of where we are, or how many games we've played, each night we want to improve. I thought tonight we did show some improvement from our last game. And tomorrow we'll go in and work on those areas where we need to work on.
How did playing two point guards together work?
Again, I'm always looking at my rotations and coming up with situations where we could attack -- defend and attack offensively. Andre is still trying to get a feel for the plays. We are running a lot of our stuff. He has some of it, he's such a vet that he can play off of plays, but he doesn't know all of our sets. That is something we gotta give him time to learn those sets that we are going to and the spacing with what teams are doing. It's going to take some time. I thought for the most part those combinations of guards worked out.
The game dicated it. Brandon was in foul trouble all night and no Rudy so we had to go with Bayless or Blake.
What happened on the last inbounds play? Blake had some trouble getting it in.
They put a big guy on him. He couldn't see over Martin. And they got Howard for pushing off but it should have been a grab in that situation. That's a play that they've talked about calling for the last 2 years. You can't grab guys on out of bounds plays. Both Roy and Miller need to come to the ball with Howard stepping to the ball.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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All you need to know about the refs
Is that both teams made more FTs than FGs. It was really bad.
That was the longest NBA game I’ve ever been to (excluding OT games) including playoff and national TV games.
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by skywaker9 on Oct 18, 2009 11:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I said before the game
That I really wanted to see Oden dunk over the Birdman. I got my wish. Thanks Greg!
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by skywaker9 on Oct 18, 2009 11:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100%
The time for going back and forth, testing various combinations, might not yet be over. But the time for yo-yoing Oden’s role should be finished. Start him. Continue to start him. Work to develop him as your starter. The message you send to a relatively fragile player like Oden by not starting him (or even considering not starting him) is a message, at this point, that should be avoided at all costs. Don’t force him to over-think or to prepare himself in two different ways over the course of a single day. Recognize the progress, appreciate the progress and build off of the progress; don’t jeopardize the progress.
Hopefully, tonight sealed the deal. If Greg Oden can bring it like he did in the 4th quarter tonight, the window opens now. Hearing Wheels go apoplectic on the radio tonight was a beautiful thing – here’s to many more nights like it.
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I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Oct 19, 2009 12:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he's enough of a shooter to do it
but probably not big enough to be a defender against most 2 guards. – Elgin
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by 22baylor on Oct 19, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's kind of interesting
that Nate volunteered specific information about all the players except for Travis, until he was asked 3 times. It’s almost like he’s under a gag order, or something
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by two4larue on Oct 19, 2009 12:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
or he finds it hard to talk about Travis with him playing poorly.
I find it hard to believe there is any conspiracy here. Nate likes Travis.
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by Cablinasian on Oct 19, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
everybody likes Travis
but when Outlaw’s play on the court is detrimental to the team’s success, the front office and coaching staff shouldn’t make excuses for him and keep trying to tell fans that there’s nothing wrong.
“We know what he can do”, “He’s trying to find his rhythm” Those aren’t answers, Nate’s just playing dodge-ball with the obvious. TO is being “beaten out” for the backup PF job by a 37 year-old Juwan Howard. Here’s a quote from BT Smith’s article, earlier today:
According to Outlaw, he was told by Portland’s coaches he needs to sharpen his focus, primarily because the Blazers have so much offensive talent, and touches might be hard to come by. They reasoned that if Outlaw can add another asset to his game, he can become even more valuable to Portland — and further define his role on the team.
In other words, the Blazer coaches are telling Travis that he needs to do something other than take off-balanced jumpers to “further define his role on the team” How’s that coming along, Nate? Would you care to address Outlaw’s progress in those areas, in depth?
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by two4larue on Oct 19, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone expect Nate to throw Travis under the bus?
Everyone knows he’s playing like crap. Do you expect Nate to say, “He’s absolutely terrible. We need to trade him”? Of course he isn’t going to say that. And you can be certain he’s very concerned with the way Outlaw has played.
by ilserpente on Oct 19, 2009 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets be honest
Travis isn’t the only person playing like complete garbage this preseason.
by Starvin' Marvin on Oct 19, 2009 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed...
Travis (bless him) is an extraneous part of this team at this point. Unload him now for maximum value, a mid-odds lottery pick. He can be an extremely valuable 3/4 in the eastern conference.
by selurnedo on Oct 19, 2009 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, unload your sixth man who has saved the team’s behind multiple times for a draft prick.
Cmon guys. ITS PRESEASON.
by Starvin' Marvin on Oct 19, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hear ya… he’s been money late in games the last couple years, on par w/ broy… but i’m not seeing his fit on an oden/roy/lma (in that order, if greg stays healthy) team
blazers have more scoring options now… think it’s come down to rudy or outlaw as a 6th man offensive option → i’ll take rudy!
i love travis, but don’t see him getting more than 15-20 mins. a game this season barring extended injuries to the already full wing contingent
at this point, i think he would be much more valuable to another team & that value could be best realized ‘now’
by selurnedo on Oct 19, 2009 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've Wanted Him Gone for More than 2 years, now
I’m serious — he’s good for what he is — but what is he exactly?
A streaky scorer with no real feel for team play on offense or defense.
Additionally, Mr. Clutch was pretty crappy against Houston in the Playoffs.
He’s young enough and scores enough to be awesome trade-bait. Use it!
by Anim8rguy on Oct 19, 2009 2:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Travis would put up great numbers on the Knicks (D’Antoni system)… 15-18 ppg
they’re probably leery of trading picks at this point, but that’s a good shot at a lottery pick for someone expendable
by selurnedo on Oct 19, 2009 2:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rofl what do you base that on?
Maybe Travis would average a hundred points.
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by leeroyjenkins on Oct 19, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cmon guys ITS THE 2008 PLAYOFFS
oops
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by leeroyjenkins on Oct 19, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unload your 10th man who is in danger of falling out of the rotation for a draft pick?
Sounds very reasonable to me. Didn’t we already have a deal lined up to trade Outlaw for a draft pick that was contingent on Millsap being a Blazer?
by trk on Oct 19, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
That was reported on a tweet by Jon Givony. Memphis was not happy that Utah matched the Millsap offer and the deal for Outlaw fell through
the way that KP targeted Hedo and Millsap as FAs just confirmed for me that Travis’ days in Portland are numbered
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by two4larue on Oct 19, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only rumored on twitter
I don’t think that one even made it into a standard news outlet.
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by jscot on Oct 20, 2009 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't have a problem trading his 4th 1/4 heroics for
Gregs great 4th 1/4 play which most nights means we don’t need a hero to win.
TBH Joel has no offense & last season Oden couldn’t be relied upon to be considered an offensive weapon in the 4th. Thats why Outlaw got the 4th quarter minutes & a chance to be a hero
by DephlatorMouse on Oct 19, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excuses for Travis are running thin
ilserpente is right. Travis is is such a tease. He plays bad basketball 90% of the time – bad shots, turnovers, bad defense, bonehead mistakes. Then he’ll hit a game winning basket off the only thing he has (the off-balance fadeaway). Let’s stop drinking the Kool-Aid and serve it to someone else (i.e. trade him while he still has value). We have two rookie PFs who are a more traditional mold and Juwan Howard is a serviceable and intelligent back-up.
by ternst on Oct 20, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
If he was to throw Travis under the bus for bad play, more then half the team would go with him.
I couldn’t see the game, but it sounded like Travis was trying to play D. I remember his name mentioned getting rebounds. He helped on controlling Anthony when Batuum got in foul trouble. I didn’t hear Webster doing a lot so that made me wonder why Cunningham wasn’t called on to get his feet wet against an elite player.
I don’t know how you can pick on any player with the refs calling a foul every ball possession. How could any body get into the flow or get their rhythm while so many fouls were called.
hg
by BBK on Oct 19, 2009 6:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone expect Nate to throw Travis under the bus?
I’m wasn’t expecting this treatment from the coach, but I do expect him to discuss Outlaw’s on-court play, along with the other Blazer players he was freely discussing during the same interview, and not be purposefully evasive about Travis
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by two4larue on Oct 19, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rarely does Nate say individual guys aren't playing well
and there is nothing else to say about Travis.
What did you expect him to say, based on his past history?
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by jscot on Oct 20, 2009 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Travis is struggling
It’s hard to watch, he’s one of my favorite guys on the team, and I hate the fact that the boo birds are starting to come for him. However, unless he can rebound/defend the 4, playing time will be tough to come by. Rudy and (if Nic starts) Martell can fill it from the wings, so Travis isn’t indispensable on that front. It’s a tough situation, hopefully he can produce here or find a better situation.
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by blazeraddict on Oct 19, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's something even more direct written by Smith just prior to the game:
McMillan said veteran forward Juwan Howard is close to cracking the Blazers’ 10-man rotation.
Howard certainly didn’t hurt his cause tonight with 4 of 6 shooting, 10 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, and only a single turnover in 34 minutes of play. The 34 minutes catches my eye. If Nate was planning on burying Howard on the bench unless there is an injury, I don’t think he would be giving him that many minutes. And of course Howard started the game rather than Outlaw. Howard played 26 minutes in the Utah game.
Nate may be just using this as a ploy to get Outlaw going, but if Nate’s serious Outlaw certainly didn’t help himself tonight with 1 of 7 shooting, 4 points, 4 rebounds, no assists, and 3 turnovers in 22 minutes. He did manage 3 blocked shots. Outlaw was even worse in the Utah game with 2 of 11 shooting, 4 points, and 3 rebounds in 18 minutes.
It will be very interesting to see who gets the most minutes against Utah on Tuesday, and who starts if LMA is out again.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Oct 19, 2009 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about BRoy?
Are you going to throw him under the bus with Travis? I am more concerned about his lack of productivity then Outlaw’s. As said Outlaw is sixth or seventh on the priority list.
hg
by BBK on Oct 19, 2009 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winning ROY, making the All-Star team twice in your first three seasons,
making the NBA 2nd Team, and signing a max contract buys you a lot of bus rides.
by MiledAnimal on Oct 19, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are saying
That because he is an all Star he would not be classified as low as a no body like Travis. If he played worst then Travis he would still get to ride the bus that ran over Travis. MMMMMM, very interesting.
hg
by BBK on Oct 19, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you got it
The fact that Roy accomplished so much already makes him less worried because it demonstrates Roy’s ability to achieve. Outlaw, I love him, hasn’t done that to anywhere near the same extent.
Personally, I’m not worried about either one. I think they just don’t care much about pre-season. Outlaw in particular has a hard time getting going before things matter.
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by hobobob on Oct 19, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw was always going to be a low-minute player this year
Even before he started stinking it up in preseason. It’s a short jump from bench player to non-rotation player.
Roy was the team’s best player last year and was expected to be the best player this year. He is going to get minutes and stay in the rotation unless he plays really poorly for a really long time.
by trk on Oct 19, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon will play at least 32 minutes per game no matter how he plays
as long as the team is winning 75% of its games.
by MiledAnimal on Oct 19, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Travis sucks
But there’s always going to be the guys who happened to watch three games last year and those games happened to be the ones where Travis hit a big shot. So those types will always defend him no matter how obvious the fact becomes that Travis is terrible.
Flame on, suckers
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by leeroyjenkins on Oct 19, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which games were those? You have a terrible style of arguing against the man. “If you like Travis, you’re dumb.” Consider running for school board. You have the logic and acumen.
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by hobobob on Oct 19, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rose Garden Went Nuts Tonight
The game was way too long and slow, with far too many fouls. The call on Oden that fouled him out was one of the worst calls I have ever seen — the very worst. There was no contact, there wasn’t even an attempt to act like there had been contact. There was nothing — nothing.
Still, that stretch where Oden was just dominant on both sides of the court was just an awesome thing to see. Finally you can completely see what he is capable of. If he stays healthy this year — and committs one less foul per game - he is absolutely going to be a hell of a monster. Teams will be adjusting to HIM - and hoping Brandon has an off night — let alone Aldrige, Miller, Rudy, Martell, etc.
The garden was rocking, because everyone in the place finally saw the Greg Oden we all want to see WITH OUR OWN EYES. Wow, he really is going to be special, and all the haters are going to be onto some other rookie to hate. . .
by Anim8rguy on Oct 19, 2009 12:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
From Nate's comments
It sounds like he’s probably committed to Oden starting.
by ilserpente on Oct 19, 2009 12:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i hope so
‘fingers cossed’ that he remains healthy.
if so, he’s the focal point of the next 10-15 years of basketball. broy got his $ and should be preparing for his role as a 1-A/2 player
starting to consider the expendability of Aldridge… if Greg can stay on the floor for serious minutes → LMA’s game might be less valuable than a guy like… oh say, Millsap.
by selurnedo on Oct 19, 2009 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you joking? Even just a little bit?
Brandon in the first option for the foreseeable and this performance from Greg, incredible as it was, does nothing to change that.
LMA will remain the number two option at least for this season and probably for longer AND his game is a great fit with Oden even if he becomes the third option (Oden kickouts to LMA, Lots of high/low in their future), this is not true of Millsap, who replicates much of Oden’s skillset.
Pay LMA, Pay Greg and lets start playing for the championship. No need to mess with that formula.
by MadBlaze on Oct 19, 2009 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oden should be the 1st option
in the 1st Quarter,try to get the other teams bigs in foul trouble. BRoy will be the 1st option in the 4th Quarter.
"BEER IS LIVING PROOF THAT GOD LOVES US"
- Benjamin Franklin-
by We-B-Dunkin on Oct 19, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, you want to trade Outlaw for a pick & think Oden's a 1-B/1 player after a few PRESEASON games?!?
PREASEASON? We talkin’ bout PRESEASON?
:)
by Marvin100 on Oct 19, 2009 4:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a Greg Oden Only Fan.
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Also: COMCAST SUCKS!
by TwoDeep on Oct 19, 2009 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a reasonable person would assume his opinion
is based on Oden continuing to perform at a high level.
by MiledAnimal on Oct 19, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right--an assumption/projection that is based on a few PRESEASON GAMES :)
And we come full circle.
by Marvin100 on Oct 19, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just barely
perhaps a bit hasty on annointing Oden as the #1 option, but… these flashes we’ve seen do match-up with his “talent assesment”
he’s only 21, and still learning the game. as an athletic specimen, he’s a quite a force → we’re seeing a bit of maturation here… ‘if’ he stays on the court, he will eventually be the man the offense runs through
i’ve seen good inside/out play w/ LMA & Oden, primarily LMA feeding Greg… if LMA can be happy w/ 12-15 FGA per game, max him & Greg.
just think that a scrappy banger who can finish a bit might be a better 4 option on an oden/broy team… and intimating that’s what KP was reaching for w/ the Millsap thing
by selurnedo on Oct 19, 2009 1:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and...
I’m not big on armchair coaching but I will say this: waffling on who starts at center runs counter to Nate’s other coaching principles. It prevents an important player from establishing his mental rhythm. It doesn’t appear to reflect any on-court performance: starting Joel would not be a decision made on the merits of their respective play to this point. It also confuses the rest of the team and changes their mental approaches, as playing with Greg is vastly different than playing with Joel.
The time for going back and forth, testing various combinations, might not yet be over. But the time for yo-yoing Oden’s role should be finished. Start him. Continue to start him. Work to develop him as your starter. The message you send to a relatively fragile player like Oden by not starting him (or even considering not starting him) is a message, at this point, that should be avoided at all costs. Don’t force him to over-think or to prepare himself in two different ways over the course of a single day. Recognize the progress, appreciate the progress and build off of the progress; don’t jeopardize the progress.
+infinty
it’s time to reach a bit higher
oden must start, i’m coming to grips with blake starting over miller if it rolls like tonight → blake gets sparse opening minutes while andre finishes. just might be best for the team.
starting to think nate just might know what he’s doing :)
by selurnedo on Oct 19, 2009 2:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
(I always do the "Preview" when using a blockquote, because it's easy to get wrong)
… waffling on who starts at center runs counter to Nate’s other coaching principles.
That would seem to be true, but remember he waffled on small forward last year. It’s Travis, no it’s Nic, no it’s Travis, okay it’s really Nic this time.
by Kaboomm on Oct 19, 2009 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spell check (under "Brandon Roy" heading):
“Roy caught himself looking around for help offensievely”
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Oct 19, 2009 2:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm interested to hear about Oden during the 4th
by people that were there or watched a stream. I was at work, so I was just watching the play by play on yahoo and there was a stretch were, at least by the play by play, it looked like Oden was single handedly rebounding on one end and scoring on the other for what seemed like a solid chunk of time, bringing us back from the brink of losingsville.
So to anyone there or whatever how did you “feel” about it, watching it?
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Oct 19, 2009 3:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly that
it watched just the way you just described ….singlehandedly
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Oct 19, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*sweeet*
yeah….
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Oct 19, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We needed a win like that
Last night I couldn’t even get to the radio until parental duties and the kid’s homework was finished around 8 or so. It was the 4th quarter and we were down by 12.
Rudy and LaMarcus out for the night? check.
Playing against our most confident, most capable division rival? check.
Greg and Brandon with 5 fouls each? check.
Down 12 points in the 4th quarter? check.
Then Nene fouls out, Greg goes beserk, and Roy takes over for a win by 2 at the buzzer. I got to the radio in time to hear all the good parts. The kind of great finish we’ve almost come to expect. Great game.
Sounds like the transition defense and turnovers were not as mind-numbingly bad, either.
by jaywalker on Oct 19, 2009 4:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone should watch the NBA.com video recap
It was really interesting and funny,
Oden scores and Juan Howard yells and pumps his arms like it was best thing ever, I loved seeing that. Like that guy more every day. Great Batum moves, then Joey Gramm(thats not right) uses the replacement ref as a screen, running completely around him, that was funny.
Then Batum gets the final rebound and Kenyon grabs him in a bear hug foul, times runs out and he slaps batum on the butt. I don’t know , the whole thing was pretty entertaining. Oh yeah, Carmelo playing like it’s playoff game pushing everyone around. These refs must have been like,“we haven’t seen this yet, whats up with this guy.”
by twggyy on Oct 19, 2009 6:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wanted to see Oden's dunk over Anderson
How did that not make the highlights?
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Oct 19, 2009 6:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the local news channels had it, at 11PM
maybe somebody can youtube it?
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by two4larue on Oct 19, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop toyimg with GO
GO has played phenominal this preseason.His hard work has definitely paid off.Nate says the players will decide who starts.Pryz played good but time has come to start GO.I think he took a big step metally as a domnator this game.He carried this team in the 4th.One thing about having more options this year is that someone will get a lot less touches,it might be LMA.I think that Blake is pressing a bit,still. Dre though not a great defender and a tad reckles at tines, is as advertised.The way Juwan is playing,he might steal mins from Trav.The difference between the two…………consistency.Trav just isn’t focused.On his Twitter page, he tweeted"The best invention ever is the Snuggie"He might be using it to keep warm on the bench!
by DowntownVinnie on Oct 19, 2009 7:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oden tried to do the Mutombo finger wag
After dunking over the Birdman last night. Funny.
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by skywaker9 on Oct 19, 2009 8:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He should have run his fingers through his hair
New rule: Anybody who dunks on Birdman, run your fingers through your hair. (Or his. That would be icky but funny.)
by Kaboomm on Oct 19, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like the team finally took a game seriously
Step in the right direction
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Oct 19, 2009 8:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oden's comments about
the different ways to prepare, starting v subbing, show that this season as his skills improve under fire he’ll also have to undergo an attitude change—always prepare as if you’re starting. If by the end of the season he’s saying that he prepares the same for every game then we’ll have a bona fide star in the making.
Now that Nate has a team that could go all the way, I see some feeling around from him for direction. Nate has never had this kind of pressure before ( he hasn’t been expected to bring home the trophy) and I think it shows in the approach he’s taken this preseason. I think how he does will determine how far the Blazer’s go this season ( if he doesn’t mesh well with the team then I don’t see them winning 50 games).
by 7677maniac on Oct 19, 2009 9:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the the terrific writeup, Ben.
Nice video clip, too, with a great view of the court and multiple camera angles, just like a regular season game. Makes me think they could have pressed Enter and broadcast the game just fine.
by MiledAnimal on Oct 19, 2009 10:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Makes me think they could have pressed Enter and broadcast the game just fine.
Yep, and if they didn’t have Mike and Mike calling the game and just inserted the crowd noise and no graphics…well, less is more!
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by two4larue on Oct 19, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only should Oden start and continue to learn the ropes,
I think Batum and Bayless should get minutes more consistent with their respective upside and youth. I say Batum is the future 3 and should play down the stretch of games, and Bayless the future backup “PG” (ok- combo guard, really, but he needs to learn how to ‘run’ the team at times) and should get 15+ minutes a game.
Unless the Blazers are a true threat to win a title I think developing these young guys is more important than winning the division. If an exception is made for GO (like when he started at the beginning of last season), why not develop Batum and Bayless at the same time? Just my two cents…
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Oct 19, 2009 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I think Batum and Bayless should get minutes more consistent with their respective upside and youth. I say Batum is the future 3 and should play down the stretch of games, and Bayless the future backup "PG" (ok- combo guard, really, but he needs to learn how to ‘run’ the team at times) and should get 15+ minutes a game.
That’s not going to happen unless Travis and Rudy are not available, either by trade or injury
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by two4larue on Oct 19, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how Travis is going to stand in the way of Batum
Batum is a better player and has much greater potential.
by trk on Oct 19, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw could be the difference
between Batum getting <20 mpg and >25
that’s all I meant. I’d rather see Nic getting those wing minutes
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by two4larue on Oct 19, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know the "Blake" type PG, because I was a similar player for our Navy rec teams
When my 3-point shot was on, it didn’t matter who was on the court – I was a valuable contributor. I could always play a “cerebral” game – finding open shooters, using screens/picks to work my way inside, etc. etc. – but there is no substitute for exceptional ball handling and speed when it comes to finding “other ways” to contribute to a game besides 3-point shooting.
I was no matchup nightmare. I could post up smaller PGs, but there were almost always better offensive options if my shot wasn’t falling from outside, and I wasn’t fast enough to create offense against some of the really quick guys that play ball in the service. Our competitive level was pretty high – lots of ex-college, semi-pro players. I could play team defense, and matched up fairly well defensively with some players, but by and large – I was a defensive liability because I was 6’1 in a league where the average PG was 5’8-5’10. They were just faster than me, and I couldn’t do anything about that.
Hustle, smarts, and a knack for aggressive made me a popular teammate – but 3-point shooting was what made me a player or cheerleader.
Blake is that kind of player. If his shot is off, he doesn’t belong on the floor because he is less than exceptional with the rest of his game and physical attributes.
by blacknoiseNW on Oct 19, 2009 10:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Disagree 100%
I’m not big on armchair coaching but I will say this: waffling on who starts at center runs counter to Nate’s other coaching principles. It prevents an important player from establishing his mental rhythm. It doesn’t appear to reflect any on-court performance: starting Joel would not be a decision made on the merits of their respective play to this point. It also confuses the rest of the team and changes their mental approaches, as playing with Greg is vastly different than playing with Joel.
This seems like a great coaching tactic to me. It is something that reminds players that they better be ready to play at all times. Don’t come to the game thinking you can just sleep through the first 10 minutes, come prepared. “Mental rhythm” starts days and weeks before any actual game and Greg (and every other player) should know this by now.
I think a lot of people are confusing “merits” with points. Joel may not score as many points as Greg but he has many merits that can give him the starting nod such as familiarity with other starters, pure and veteran defensive abilities, and an ability to play with fouls.
Nate is a total pimp and has done absolutely everything a coach can do to build a team that is ready to compete at the highest levels. I am a little sick of reading about all of the second-guessers whining about his decision making when he has brought us nothing but success.
We are in VERY good hands folks, enjoy the ride.
2010 IS OUR YEAR PEOPLE!!!
by RastaMonsta on Oct 19, 2009 11:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The weakest link...
Is nate. Time and again his rotations baffle. All season long he substituted by pre-determined time intervals. C’mon, that’s not good coaching. The players are here. Start Oden. Start Miller. Use Rudy at PG in the second unit and play Blake when we need his shooting. Nate is the only coach in the NBA who would sit Oden. Nate is also the only coach who would use Blake to inbound the ball.
Do not argue with idiots. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
by jongus on Oct 19, 2009 11:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Nate should draw starters' names out of a hat at before each game.
Let the gods decide.
by MiledAnimal on Oct 19, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like where you're going with this
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Oct 19, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate adds 9 wins every season
How can that be the weak link?
I never understood the whole “fight for starter” mentality anyway, it is for morons.
It’s not who starts but who finishes.
2010 IS OUR YEAR PEOPLE!!!
by RastaMonsta on Oct 19, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cornball
“it’s not who starts but who finishes.”
ok then, why don’t we start udoka, Howard, bayless, outlaw and Blake?
Here’s some swinging ideas for ya: start your best and finish with your best. Get a lead and keep it… Why would you not start your best team? Are the blazers so good they save their best for the end?
Do not argue with idiots. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
by jongus on Oct 19, 2009 4:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Cornball
“it’s not who starts but who finishes.”
ok then, why don’t we start udoka, Howard, bayless, outlaw and Blake?
Here’s some swinging ideas for ya: start your best and finish with your best. Get a lead and keep it… Why would you not start your best team? Are the blazers so good they save their best players for the end? Great strategy. Wierd how Phil Jackson starts Gasol and Kobe…maybe he’s one of those “morons”.
Do not argue with idiots. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
by jongus on Oct 19, 2009 4:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
You’re on the wrong message board if you want me to wish my coach was more like Phil Jackson.
Just because something is “cornball” doesn’t make it untrue.
2010 IS OUR YEAR PEOPLE!!!
by RastaMonsta on Oct 19, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just a reference
yes, i know i said it. Phil Jackson. He’s won a few rings, ya know? I chose him for no other reason. I could cite, well almost any coach in any sport that wins titles…except for Nate of course. Further, i think Nate has done a good job, i just have serious doubts that he has what it takes to lead this super group of players against the big 3 teams. They certainly have the talent.
Do not argue with idiots. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
by jongus on Oct 19, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Satan could win a few rings too
but I have a hard time siding with him…
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Oct 19, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not
siding with anyone. using examples of others who have accomplished a goal that is being discussed is the point. nothing worse than fans who can’t realistically look at other performers achievements and learn something. stay small eat politicians.
Do not argue with idiots. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
by jongus on Oct 20, 2009 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dis-Agree!!!!..
We are lucky to have Nate as our coach and I’m 100% ok with him not doing some things the same way other coaches would do them. Good coaches improve their teams, earn their respect and win games…Nate’s done all that stuff. What it all comes down to is that results are what counts… Nate’s results are pretty hard to question so… In my opinion He’s a Great Coach!
by Ilikeemall on Oct 19, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
playoff results
from here on out, that’s how Nate and KP’s success will be measured
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by two4larue on Oct 19, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now That...
…I totally agree with.
by Ilikeemall on Oct 20, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw
“It is something that reminds players that they better be ready to play at all times.”
The great thing about Przybilla is that you can put him in at any point in the game and he will deliver 100%. If they can get Oden to that same level of reliability it will be huge.
by lsjogren on Oct 19, 2009 12:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
All these comments and nothing on this...
Well, Dre (18 points, 4 assists) sure looks to get his own shot. 5 for 18 probably has a few eyebrows raised and his shot-selection, especially down the stretch, was cringe-inducing at times. Memorably, he chucked up a contested 3 on one possession and went one-on-one against Billups, only to throw up a contested mid-range jumper that badly missed on another possession
Kinda concerns me that our guy that’s going to make everybody better is 5-18, including some questionable shot selection, with only 4 assists. Are we sure that Roy’s struggles have nothing to do with Andre. I listened to the Memorial Coliseum game and it sounded to me like the ball went everywhere but to Brandon while Miller was playing. I know it was only radio and I wasn’t watching but it “felt” wrong.
I know everyone thinks we should just to adjust to Miller and his superior ability and veteran leadership but it still seems to me he needs to do a better job of adjusting to our core… of which a HUGE piece is BROY!!!
GO BLAZERS!!!
by Ilikeemall on Oct 19, 2009 1:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No Roy has not struggled because of Miller.
IMO Roy will be fine when the season starts. If BRoy wants the ball all he has to do is call for it, if Andre won’t give it to him Andre will be gone in a nanosecond! Andre knows who’s team this is he is not stupid. Relax it’s a good YEAR to be a Blazer fan.
"BEER IS LIVING PROOF THAT GOD LOVES US"
- Benjamin Franklin-
by We-B-Dunkin on Oct 19, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
57 fouls NOT 67 fouls
I was watching the foul board all game, and it was 28 Blazer fouls, 29 Denver fouls (I think) but I know it was 57 total fouls, not 67 as has been reported on The Game, and here. Am I crazy or are there magical fouls not counted on those boards I’m unaware of?
by natey1 on Oct 19, 2009 1:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Corrected
I stand corrected the “Foul” board in the RG showed 57, but NBA.com http://www.nba.com/games/20091018/DENPOR/boxscore.html proves in 67, big thanks to Ben for setting me straight.
by natey1 on Oct 19, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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