"Fit" Is Overrated, Oden's Progress=Taking a Step Back Before Stepping Forward, And Other Tidbits...
A pretty consistent theme of the pre-season has been to analyze how Andre Miller helps or hurts Brandon Roy's game. Another consistent theme has been the progression of Greg Oden and the superior play (if not fit) of Andre Miller over Steve Blake.
This has been swirling around my head for weeks and it has led to a few questions I wanted to ask all of you.
QUESTION #1 - Why are we so concerned with how others "fit" with Brandon?I realize this may sound like an asinine question, but stick with me for bit. Brandon Roy is undeniably the most important player on the team. He may end up being the best Trail Blazer of all-time. I have watched Brandon play since his days at Garfield HS in Seattle and at UW. The constant strength of Brandon was to make the players around him better. He's always had an outstanding court sense and ability to blend into the talent around him. I always had him pegged as the perfect "Scottie Pippen" to someone's MJ at the professional level. It wasn't until the NBA that he emerged as a premier scoring threat that had me thinking he might be the leading man and not the supporting cast. Even so, Brandon's ability to blend has not disappeared. His ability to accentuate the strengths of those around him has not left him. Will Conroy and Nate Robinson were PGs at UW that had the rock most of the game, and were not elite shooters. It still worked. When it got to crunch time, guess who was bringing the ball up the court and took the big shots?
It's not particularly hard to take advantage of a player of Brandon's talents. At *any* point in *any* game, you can give him the ball, go 1-4 (four players spaced along the baseline), and let him work. No PG playing next to him will take that option away. Brandon is already a great player. There is not a player in the league that you could stick next to him that would eliminate his skills or cease to make him great. This is a guy that has gotten every accolade possible since leaving school, and just got a MAX contract, so he should also be uniquely positioned to be focused on team improvement over individual improvement.
Taking a step back, a player like Andre Miller may not naturally accentuate Brandon's game as a scorer, but Brandon is so much more than a scorer that people should be asking if the team is better with Miller, not simply whether Brandon is better. Brandon scoring less, assisting more, rebounding more, defending more, taking less of a beating and being fresher come the fourth quarter and playoffs is not a bad thing.
QUESTION #2 - Is Greg's gain a step backward for the team (in the short-term)?
For years now, the development of Greg Oden as a player has felt inextricably linked to the development of the Blazers as a championship contender. This year, we are all salivating over what appears to be a breakthrough season-to-be for Greg. The contrarian inside has me wondering if the emergence of a potentially dominant interior player will cause the team to take a step back before it can move forward.
As we all know, dominant interior players are few and far between. It's a good bet that the majority, and possibly all, of the Blazers have never played with a dominant center at any level. Reaping the rewards of a great center is much easier on defense and on the glass. Adapting an offense that has been decidedly "center-free" is another story. Having patience to allow for post position to be established. Passing out and re-posting when the shot is not there initially. Spacing along the perimeter to keep the lane from getting clogged. All these things take some getting used to when your offense has been built around a player like Joel at center.
My lingering question is whether people are so focused on Andre Miller's potential negative impact on players like Roy that they have missed the bigger area of impact to offensive rhythm. We're all so delirious with Oden's individual improvement that I think we've failed to analyze how the team may not be better for it in the short-term. That's not to say we should wish away Oden's development at all. I love watching that guy play!! Just wondering how long it will take for the team to adjust.
QUESTION #3 - Which is more important: a PG that makes Roy better or a PG that makes Oden better?
This question should not need much explanation. I'm just curious what people think. As you can surmise from my earlier questions, I certainly think someone that makes Greg better is more important to the team. I don't think Roy needs any help to be great, and if he is the player I think he is, he can thrive in any lineup.
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I Dont need a championship
This would be a great year for us to figure out our rotation and who our keepers are and then come on strong in the playoffs,,,go deep but then next year add or subtract that last player to put us over the top. Greg getting into dominant form is number one. learning to mesh and play with greg is number 2.
by tevisthe4th on Oct 15, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah ill rec that
i think roy is injured alittle. the miller addition i dont think is as big of a deal as the oden addition this year.
by riccc_l on Oct 15, 2009 10:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i need a championship
it may be harder this year if we arent jellin for 20 some games.
by riccc_l on Oct 15, 2009 10:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree with alot of what you are saying.
I think this season will really test Coach Nate. With so many players who can play he will have the minutes arguement all season, but more importantly, he has to change the way the offense runs. With Greg’s improvement the Blazers must find a way to get him 10-15 shots per game, because those are easy shots, close in dunks, layups, or hooks. In addition to this they need to get LMA going with 10+shots close in along with a few of his sweet jumpers from outside. He is proven that he can score on the block, those easy shots along with Greg’s will really improve the Blazers over all offense.
Brandon’s role has to increase not decrease. To keep the defense honest Brandon must play the Kobe to Greg’s Shaq. With Martell, Blake, Rudy, Travis, and Batum providing long range spacing, the Blazers could be a very good offensive team. Eventhough their offensive eff was very good last season, that was really influenced by their offensive rebounding. They still took too many jumpers to win consistantly in the playoffs, changing the offense to run through the post will give the Blazers an offense that is not as easily defended in the post season. Roy must find a way to create his offense and offense for others within this system. He must be able to beat his man, drive to the hoop, draw defenders then hit LMA or Oden for close in shots, instead of Blake or Rudy for 3’s.
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by usmcr3049 on Oct 15, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree with you
I want to see the Blazers less reliant on jumpers. Jumpers tend to go in at home and clank on the road against good teams that play good defense. Greg has the potential to be extremely efficient particularly given his ability to draw fouls. I would like to see the team get into the habit of feeding Greg early to see if he can get the opposing bigs in foul trouble. If he can we will be playing down hill all night.
by upper left corner on Oct 16, 2009 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I appreciate this post's questions, it's too early to ask them.
We have not seen a real Blazers team yet. Everyone is still trying to figure out their role, and learn how to play with new players. Rotations, minutes, chemistry, all of this to me so far in the preseason means nothing. I’m watching a Cleveland team right now on NBA TV that is dropping a turd on the court in the 4th quarter, because it’s preseason.
by dario argento on Oct 15, 2009 10:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i think
those are actually great questions to ask now, but to simply sit back and collect a large sample size to decide. I think it’s too early to judge, but the questions themselves are good. I think the questions are among ones the coaching staff will have to ask in order to decide the line ups.
We’ll see.
I just hope this team can find some defense.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
by ratbastird on Oct 15, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you're right. It's a good time to ask them but not decide on them.
I feel like we haven’t BEGIN to see the real team yet. They just look kind of lost sometimes. I’m predicting a kind of rough start to this season.
by dario argento on Oct 15, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's entirely possible that instead of racing out of the blocks ...
… at the start of the season, this team struggles a bit to find its new rythum.
And we can rest assured that there will be all sorts of hand wringing and calls to fire Nate or make the consolidation trade so many seem to want here at BE.
Personally, I can’t see worrying about it too much. There is too much talent on this team for it not to become a powerhouse.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Oct 15, 2009 12:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s not particularly hard to take advantage of a player of Brandon’s talents. At any point in any game, you can give him the ball, go 1-4 (four players spaced along the baseline), and let him work. No PG playing next to him will take that option away.
That isn’t exactly true. If the 4 players on the baseline can’t shoot, Roy will be going 1-on-5 instead of 1-on-1 and that isn’t going to work very well.
by trk on Oct 15, 2009 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a stretch, right?
Four players that you want to leave uncovered on this squad? I think you are saying that having a non-shooter like Miller or Pryzbilla could lead to more aggressive double-teams. I’m not sure that will be the case.
Choosing to double-off another player is not solely based on their ability to hit a jump shot. It’s essentially a statement that you’d rather the ball be in that person’s hands than the guy who has it. I think it’s a stretch to say other teams are more likely to want the ball in Miller’s hands than Blake’s in crunch time. Miller is a much more dangerous offensive threat scoring and passing than Blake.
And remember, teams doubled Brandon plenty last season down the stretch of games, usually off of Travis. That would be more of my concern since Travis clanked all those clutch shots last season.
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
by hawkblogger on Oct 15, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If teams have to choose between
leaving Miller open at the 3-point line and leaving Blake open at the 3-point line, they are going to leave Miller open every time. If they leave Blake open, he is going to shoot and will likely score 3 points. If they leave Miller open he might shoot, but he is a career 21% 3-point shooter so that isn’t a big threat. The alternative is for Miller to dribble closer to the basket (which will give the defense time to rotate back onto him), and take a less efficient shot that the 3-pointer Blake would have had.
by trk on Oct 15, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
I just think reliance on a the three is not necessarily a plus. Miller penetrating and shooting from closer or dishing is probably a higher percentage play over the course of a season.
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
by hawkblogger on Oct 16, 2009 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except it's not a higher percentage play
Blake hit 42.8% of his 3-pointers last year. If there is a 32.6% offensive rebound rate (which is what the team averaged last year), then that is 1.575 points per possession. To get that level of efficiency on 2-point shots, Miller would have to shoot 71.4%. Miller isn’t going to shoot such a high percentage even if he gets all the way to the basket for a (contested) layup. Miller might draw a foul as he penetrates, but that is balanced by the possibility of turning the ball over.
Open 3-pointers from good shooters are very efficient shots. Teams that take lots of 3-point shots tend to be more efficient offensively and win more games than teams which don’t take as many 3-point shots. Reliance on the 3 is a plus, as long as you can consistently generate decent 3-point looks (not heavily contested and not from outside the shooter’s effective range).
by trk on Oct 16, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about in the playoffs?
I don’t have the stats, but long observation suggests to me that over-reliance on 3-point shooting is playoff death. (A notable exception: last season’s Orlando Magic)
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Oct 16, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a hard time believing that notion unless you can find stats to back it up
The last 5 championship teams (and 8 of the last 10 championship teams, with the exceptions being the Pistons and the 99-00 Lakers) have all been above the league average in the number of 3-pointers taken and made. The Magic were also #1 in the NBA in 3PA/FGA, and they did pretty well in the playoffs.
by trk on Oct 16, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Balance?
If a team wants to set up a strong three point game, the best way to do is to have a low post presence like Dwight Howard or Pau Gasol. I don’t know if you remember the three point bombing teams that Houston had with Hakeem in the middle? The best teams have balanced scoring.
There is more to an athlete than how fast they can run, they also better be able to see what they are doing and know why they are doing it.
by KINGofMACct on Oct 17, 2009 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, balance is the key
3-point shooting runs hot & cold—even for the marksman squads. On the road, in the playoffs, after a few 3-pointers in a row clang off the rim, that hoop starts to look awfully small. You need to have inside scoring to balance your attack, keep the defense honest, and avoid those cold-shooting streaks from sinking your team.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Oct 18, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good questions/points, good writing.
I was recently wondering, too, about whether the incorporation of Greg’s offensive game might not cause the team to regress temporarily. I think that sort of thing is common — certainly it is if you are talking about an individual’s progress. We can’t grow and improve smoothly and continuously. Our progress is stepwise, sometimes with a little step back to consolidate, sometimes with a step in a new direction if we had miscalculated at first.
The thing is, the Blazers are all gifted athletes who have been learning and improving their skills for years. They will overcome the temporary setbacks, and by the time the playoffs rolls around, I would expect the team to be playing at a very high level more or less instinctively.
by CatMan2 on Oct 15, 2009 12:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, and I tend to agree
If Greg can become a consistent threat, I think we have a smart enough coaching staff and a team with enough variety of talent to take advantage of it. It’s just a matter of how long it takes for us to find that flow.
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
by hawkblogger on Oct 15, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the points that you make about Roy being able to fit with anyone
But I feel like you are arguing against a strawman here. Yes, Roy and Miller will not be terrible together. The larger question is how much “return” on each of their talents do you get if they play together. That’s what should determine rotation decisions, in my opinion. How much better is RAMBO than RABBO (the starting line-up with Blake)? A little or a lot? Similarly, if Blake is a great fit with Roy or RABO and a worthless player paired with some combination of Rudy, Outlaw, Webster, and Pryzbilla, then that’s a significant loss in Blake’s value to the team.
by PoliSam on Oct 15, 2009 1:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a tough part
I don’t think Blake is worthless in any scenario, but I agree that I winced when I saw the makeup of the bench last night. Nobody that can create their own shot other than maybe Rudy. A couple points I’ll make:
1) People make too much of starters vs. bench when they should focus on minutes played
No matter who starts, Roy will play with Blake and Roy will play with Miller. We won’t see wholesale substitutions of all five players. I’d expect to see Brandon, LMA, Oden and “starting PG” to play a lot of minutes with parts of the bench more than all five starters out at the same time.
2) As much as depth is great in the regular season, the talent of your top five players tends to determine playoff success
All the bench talent in the world doesn’t make you better than Kobe or Lebron. Teams tighten their rotations in the playoffs and it’s really a battle of top talent vs. top talent, not collective talent vs. collective talent, if that makes sense.
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
by hawkblogger on Oct 15, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point about utilizing Oden being a bigger adjustment than bringing in Miller
Right now, the focus on exploiting Oden’s size & skill at the offensive end has the Blazers out of sync. But if the team is to become a legit contender, it must have a low-post threat. Look at what happened to the Mavs’ supposed dynasty-in-the-making. Turned out they were a regular season-only phenomenon because they lacked a low-post weapon.
The Blazers now HAVE that weapon, but they must learn to utilize it. Losing some regular season games during that transition isn’t really “taking a step back,” even in the short term. What counts is how you play in the playoffs, and the Blazers are currently retooling for that “second season.”
It’s all good if Nate “stays the course.” Keeping Brandon Roy and short-sighted fans happy isn’t what counts. Winning playoff games is.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Oct 15, 2009 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My $0.02
1. We’re concerned about the fit with Roy because he has been the centerpiece of the offense. But there are signs here that we don’t need any one player to be the centerpiece anymore. Roy definitely needs his touches, but we have a lot of players who can take good shots. We need time to find the rhythm for everyone working together.
2. I agree, Oden stepping up is a short-term step back. Same thing with Batum improving, Marty coming back, Rudy being more adjusted, Miller coming on board, etc. Lots of players can expand upon their roles from before, which means we need time to find the rhythm for everyone working together.
3. Oden. Roy and LMA will be fine, but anything to improve the players around our established stars will be a big gain.
"The playoffs now are my grind. My grind for a championship,'' Roy said. "Whatever needs to be done to get there I'm gonna do it.''
by Quik_Baller on Oct 15, 2009 2:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I agree with your first point.
When the team desperately needs a score late in a game, there should be one player that you know can do it. And really, there is only one player on teh roster that has repeatedly shown that can do it. To me, it’s not a bad thing that on a roster of “equals” one is more equal than the others. Particularly when that one player is pretty nmuch universally regarded as one of the top 10 players in the league.
"I'm a man, but I can change.....if I have to......I guess." - Red Green
by antediluvian on Oct 16, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt!
BRoy is absolutely are go-to guy when he absolutely need a bucket late…
I just hope “late” isn’t defined as “the second half”, as it was often last year I’d hope he can score 2-3 key hopes with the iso early (end of quarters, stop a run by thte opponents), and then get most of the rest in the flow, and be hot enough to hit the big 1 or 2 iso plays we need, very late, like the last minute or so.
And I really hope he’s closer to 30 mpg than 38… A rested BRoy could be huge in the playoffs.
by Visionary2 on Oct 17, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One guy who never seems off when out there with Oden is Fernandez. Those two work a nasty two man offense.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Oct 15, 2009 2:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like our 6/7/8 guys on that second unit
Many say Miller and Oden need to be on the court together, and for fast break potential, I think Rudy needs to be on the court with Miller too… So I really can see why Nate is trying to combine these three guys talents. Rudy, Miller, and Oden… (RAmGo?: That trio has it all: big D and rebounder, point guard, outside shooter…)
LA will play big minutes, and be on the court with everybody. And to that foursome we can ADD Roy? For the final 6 minutes, and that has the makings to be a truly great offensive team…
Combine that with switching Rudy and Batum on whistles before defensive sets, and I like our chances…
by Visionary2 on Oct 17, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm doing to disagree with point number 2
Oden is getting very few post up plays. From the sound of it, I’d say roughly the same amount of post touches that he got last year. Oden’s offensive improvement is coming from being fit and effective on the court. He’s getting put backs and dunks off rolls to the hoop. If Oden were getting 18 points mostly off his hook shots, posting and reposting, then I would wonder if that was hurting the overall rhythm of the offense. As it stands, Greg is getting most of his point production from cleanup work.
by Magnum on Oct 15, 2009 3:31 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm doing to agree with you.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Oct 15, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's getting more touches...
and will continue to, because Dre can oop.
by Visionary2 on Oct 15, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, very few of Oden's point have come from Miller assists.
Oden has improved on his own, I don’t think it matters as much as other people seem to think, which PG he plays with. Oden was out of shape and recovering from injury last year, plus he was a rookie. He couldn’t catch the ball to save his life last year period.
by wingzeta on Oct 16, 2009 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been thinking about question #3
And I would say that it is clearly more important to have a PG that fits Roy than it is to have a PG that fits Oden. Roy is a much better and more proven offensive player than Oden at this point. The Blazers led the league in offensive efficiency last year while running a Roy-centric offense. With more Oden and less Przybilla, the offensive efficiency should continue to increase, even if we don’t run plays for Oden (Oden will still contribute with offensive rebounds, put-backs, cuts to the basket, fast break points, and catch-and-finish plays if his man leaves him). So we know we can have the best offense in the league if we build around Roy, but we don’t know if an offense built around Oden can achieve the same results.
There is significant overlap between what skills a PG needs to have to complement Roy and what skills they need to complement Oden. A PG who can defend well and hit the outside shot would be good for both players. A PG who is focused on isolation scoring wouldn’t complement either of them. One difference is that a PG who is great at running the pick-and-roll would benefit Oden but not Roy. However, if Oden becomes a good enough pick-and-roll man that we want to run a lot of those plays for him, we would probably do alright letting Roy be the pick-and-roll ball-handler, so I don’t think there is a huge need for the PG to be an elite pick-and-roll player.
by trk on Oct 15, 2009 4:26 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm
I can see where you are coming from. I’m in management at a largish company and they teach their managers to spend more time working toward people’s strengths than trying to overcome their weaknesses. Applied here, that would be doing what you are saying, feature Roy as our strength and worry less about players are weaker.
I just have trouble shaking the feeling that Roy is a known quantity that will succeed with or without a PG that fits him and that Oden needs others to realize his potential. To put it another way, does our championship window open sooner if Roy gets a little better (I’m not sure he can get a lot better) or Oden gets a lot better?
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
by hawkblogger on Oct 15, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Oden "getting a lot better"
Means taking touches away from Roy and giving them to Oden, then I think Roy getting a little better opens the championship window sooner. This team doesn’t need Oden to become a big-time scorer to win a championship. If Oden becomes good at defending, rebounding, and getting garbage buckets, that is probably all the team needs him to do. The offense is pretty much where it needs to be to win a championship already, instead of reworking the offense what the team really needs is improved defense.
by trk on Oct 15, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Disagree...
As others have said, Oden rolled off picks with arms high, wide open, many times last season, but nobody could or would make that pass. Dre will.
If Brandon can improve his movement without the ball, and we can begin working an inside-out offense through Greg (our jump shooting will be so much more effective if we can go inside first), this team could get scary.
I keep hearing people say BRoy is an All-Star, “so don’t mess with him”… I say, if he’s that good, he should be able to play another role if his team needs it. I again go back to MJ only winning once he trusted his teammates. Same for Kobe. BRoy has to trust Dre to run the offense. Brandon will still get his touches… But he needs to concentrate on D. Brandon also shouldn’t feel the same desire for individual stats any more, as he’s already got the MAX. He needs to lead by deferring, not just for the first quarter, but for much of the year… A rested Brandon with a confident, high scoring, superbly defending supporting cast will really make LA sweat next spring…
by Visionary2 on Oct 15, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Naw
The Lakers were still built around Kobe, even when he won a few rings with Shaq, before he learned to trust other players. Your franchise guy is your franchise guy. When he is a guard, he needs the ball, like MJ, Kobe, Wade. And last year Oden dropped the ball or got stripped 75% of the times they passed him the ball. He stood still and watched like a deer in the headlights while his defender kept him out of the post the rest of the time because he was winded. He was recovering from injury, so it’s not his fault, but he wasn’t ready to play many minutes, and couldn’t avoid fouling to stay on the floor very long. Do you really think the Blazers wanted to have Joel as the starter rather than their #1 draft pick? Oden was not physically ready to be a serious full-time contributor last year until near the end of the season, and even then, he was a rookie. They could have run more plays for him last year, but the team could and did win without him, and was determined to get into the playoffs, not develop one guy, no matter how important he could be. When you have the talent to win now, you don’t instead decide to develop Oden, Bayless and Sergio, and finish near OKC, hoping you’ll make the playoffs one day. This year Oden is in shape, and should make a great contribution to the team just by doing the things they need him to do, like rebounding, defending, and being the post presence he was incapable of being last year due to his fitness. That doesn’t mean we have to, or should base the offense around him. Even Orlando’s offense is based around three point shooting, and Howard doing those basic things, since his post game is still developing slowly. They basically shoot threes, and he jams rebounds off misses. A fit Oden could do that too, and be fed in the post often enough without turning our all-star SG into a “role-player”. I agree we need to have a reliable pick and role, which should be Roy to Oden, especially considering those two should be playing together for the next 5 years at least, while AM will be here three years at most.
by wingzeta on Oct 16, 2009 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What you're missing is that even last year, when GO was out of shape, his teammates didn't utilize him properly
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Oct 16, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agreed they weren't using him properly, but
my reasoning was him not being reliable, so they went with what worked: Roy and LMA
by wingzeta on Oct 16, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm continuing a thought begun elsewhere,
This is the year of defensive growth, This is an opportunity for Brandon to change his life long paradigm, yes, I watched him in the Garfield days too, and become a defensive force.
He’ll need less offensive responsibility and longer breaks to maximize his defensive contributions but the team can give him this.
Greg and Joel give us a powerful interior defensive presence. Nic will play a ton and be our perimeter stopper, and LaMarcus’ job will be increasingly easier alongside our centers.
If Brandon becomes a first team defender we will become special.
Bedge or go home.
by Ojala John on Oct 15, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
by hawkblogger on Oct 15, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you solve a problem such as Oden?
And isn’t it looking like a great problem to have. Oden is showing us more than we were hoping for and, in answer to question #2, we will indeed take a step backward before making progress.
- We were hoping for a 60+ win season, because we ended the last season on such a dominant role. However, the Oden factor, disrupts the assumption that we can pick up from where we left off. But, given how much he seems to bring to the table, it would seem like a reasonable investment to temper our early season expectations. Note: the team gelled pretty fast last year, and played way beyond expectations against the toughest starting schedule ever. Was it luck, or is there something about this team that will let them repeat their “rapid gel”? We shook off the abortive start-Travis experiment pretty quickly and developed great chemistry with Batum.
- Expect that LMA will face bigger “disruptive” challenge. The PowerForward spot in the Shaq/Kobe era was always looked at as a filler. AC Green, Horace Grant, Samaki Walker (???) … The power forward on those teams was required to not be an offensive liability, but was certainly not an offensive option. Even with the Bird/McHale/Parrish teams, Parrish was an extremely competent center, but was not the offensive centerpiece ala Shaq. Investing in developing Oden, will almost certainly impact usage of LMA. For example, wouldn’t it be great if LMA could contribute mid-range jump shots with high efficiency,as an outlet after an Oden post? Will depend on whether can be effective/efficient with his game, even without having to be the post-up option.
I would also add, that Nate is tinkering. Nothing about Batum’s preseason last year told us what to expect, and yet regular season was very different. Rudy too became a key cog. Yet both of them have seen very limited action in pre-season games. LMA is used very sparingly in his primary scorer role. We are not asking Brandon to be Brandon. Across the board, Nate is not exercising his “real options/line-ups”. If last year’s start was any indication, the regular season just cannot be predicted from the pre-season.
Agree with you that the chemistry will develop. Have no idea how long it will take. Will it happen almost overnight like it did last year, or will we lose a lot of games, and then have to put together some long streaks to climb back up in standings? Will BEdgers call for Nate’s head if we lose early games (probably a stupid question), or has the management team earned our trust? Given that Nate hasn’t proven himself yet with a ring, how good is Nate? Would Phil Jackson be second guessed quite as much?
Great insight about Brandon. Excellent perspective/viewpoint.
by FromAfar on Oct 16, 2009 10:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Successful triple threat?
Looking up twin towers, the only two recent ones that come to mind at DavidRobinson/TimDuncan and Hakeem/Sampson (plus one more at the bottom).
DavidRobinson/TimDuncan were two great offensive threats. But when the two were together, David Robinson was returning from injury and played more like second string to the young Tim Duncan. While David was still an offensive threat, the team didn’t feature him as primary weapon, except where matchups were favorable. David at the twilight of his career excelled with the backseat role. Hakeem/Sampson were a fantastic pair. Question though is could anybody else on their playoff squad be called a superstar.
Even if they are the L@kers, the championship teams with Magic/Kareem/Worthy to me is a great example of a successful Triple threat team. Anybody got any others? [Not counting the freaky ThreeGuard model of the 80s/90s Detroit Pistons]. Which leaves us with the question, can we develop a triple threat with Brandon/LMA/Oden — or does one have to take a back-seat?
by FromAfar on Oct 16, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post, but I think that #2 is a non-issue
Oden is able to score and be effective even without being posted up over and over. His offensive rebounding, pick and rolls, and defense will all contribute without the Blazers having to adjust too much. And aren’t they used to posting up Aldridge? This isn’t much different.
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by jamon51 on Oct 16, 2009 2:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent post!
You got some people thinking. One thing I find interesting is the fear that some people seem to have about falling back a couple of games in the regular season so that we can be better prepared for this year’s playoffs and beyond. Very well done.
There is more to an athlete than how fast they can run, they also better be able to see what they are doing and know why they are doing it.
by KINGofMACct on Oct 16, 2009 4:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
I never know what to expect when writing a post here. :)
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
by hawkblogger on Oct 16, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, thank you for taking the risk ; >}
There is more to an athlete than how fast they can run, they also better be able to see what they are doing and know why they are doing it.
by KINGofMACct on Oct 17, 2009 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basketball isn't just about players
Basketball is about line ups… its a team sport. I know people are tired of hearing this, but I’ll try to use an example to illustrate my point.
While the Blazers aren’t the Redeam team, the same concept can be used to create the perfect team. You need role players and star players so that everyone knows their role on the court. Some players can focus on rebounds, some more on defense, some on passing, and some get the majority of offensive looks. So, when creating the best five man line up, you also need a Tayshaun Prince to play a role. When Kobe, Wade or Lebron are scoring, then Superman probably isn’t getting as many shots.
While the Blazers don’t have players of that caliber, the concept remains the same. When Miller, Roy and Oden are all getting their shots, Aldridge is not. Furthermore, he is getting frustrated and out of rhythm. His FG% will likely drop and his head won’t be in the game. This all happens, because he no longer has an offensive role.
The same concept goes for the rest of the line up. On any given night, one player may feel left out and lost. While we can all arm-chair coach and say, this guy or that guy needs to man up or “they get used to playing with one another” they will likely continue to have difficulties.
There is some preconceived notion that the best players deserve to start the game. If they don’t start, may people believe we won’t be utilizing these players full abilities.
I disagree with this sentiment. I see no reason why the best players must start the game. Instead, they deserve the most minutes. The best players should end the game. The best players win the game.
I don’t think Pryz is the better player. I also salivate when people show how Odens projected averages per 36 minutes = 22points and 15 rebounds. Thats Insane! Or how Miller calmly drops 25pts, 6 boards and 5 assists in 30 minutes of preseason action. This team will rock if we can get that kind of production out of all our guys.
Yet, Roy stated in an interview recently he doesn’t know how everyone is going to get all their shots. Blake looks lost of the bench, because he is used to playing off the star player. Aldridge is still getting used to Oden’s new found offense down low.
Thats why the best players don’t have to start the game. Everyone needs a role on the team. Some players talents are better utilized when a proportion of their minutes, they are the go to guys.
So, say “fire Nate” or anything else derogatory about the head coach, but the Blazers are in good hands.
If the starting line up ends up being BRBAP instead of Rambo, it won’t be as flashy, but we should at least know that it’s because thats what is effective.
Miller 32 min, Blake 14, Fernandez 2
Roy 36 minutes, Fernandez 12
Batum 22 minutes, Webster 13, Fernandez 13
Aldridge 36 min, Outlaw 12
Oden 30 min, Pryz 18.
Starting line up: whatever Nate thinks works best
by neilan on Oct 16, 2009 6:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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