Oden's Low Foul Rate

by Blaz06Draft on Oct 15, 2009 8:50 AM PDT

In the last 74 minutes Greg has been on the court, he has picked up a total of 3 fouls!

He had 1 last night against the Suns in 29 minutes.
He had 1 against the Clippers in 21 minutes.
He had 1 in his last 24 minutes of playing time against Sacramento. (He had 3 for the game, 2 in the first two minutes.)

This is probably the best news out of the Blazer preseason.

By the way, during these 74 minutes, his per 36 minute average was 21.4 points, 14.6 rebounds (with 4.0 offensive rebounds). That's pretty good.

Keep it up, Greg!!!

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I don't think you can just drop off those 2 quick fouls

Two-fouls-in-the-first-two-mintues was the heart of problem last year.

When we’re dealing with an already teany tiny sample size, we’re going to learn even less by lopping off the data that we don’t like.

That said, it does appear likely his foul rate will drop. How much, we’ll see.

by matthewcc on Oct 15, 2009 9:05 AM PDT reply actions

Yeah, who knows. But it’s way better than his fouling last year.

One of those two early fouls was offensive. Plus, maybe he calmed down and “learned” how to not foul.

But let’s hope he can stay out of foul trouble this year. We’re much better when he’s on the court.

by Blaz06Draft on Oct 15, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions

I agree, we can't cherry pick the cherry pickin'

Just take all of the preseason and Greg’s numbers are pretty darn good, no need to drop off the first game or even a few minutes of it.

What is amazing to me is how Greg’s improvement has gone so unnoticed really, it seems that almost every game that goes by the story is, Miller and how he fits, with just a small tid bit of, “greg looked good”.

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by usmcr3049 on Oct 15, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions

Greg's full preseason numbers

avg per game
25.1mins 15.5ppg 10.5rpg 1.25bpg 2.25 fouls 59.5FG% 78.3FT%

Per 30 avg
18.5ppg 12.5rpg 1.5bpg 2.7Fouls

Per 36 avg
22.2ppg 15.1rpg 1.8bpg 3.2Fouls

Greg is doing just fine, my guess is he will avg closer to 30 per game this year than 36. If he keeps up that production he will have a very good chance to make the All-Star Team.

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by usmcr3049 on Oct 15, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions

one more thing I should add

Greg is doing this offense production on only 9.25 FGA per game, avg that out to 30 mins a night and it is only 11.1 shots per game. That is why Greg’s new and improved offense should be a staple of the Blazers offense this year, if it is not then Fire Nate. (I love nate and believe he already sees this as being very important).

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by usmcr3049 on Oct 15, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

First 'Fire Nate' comment I've seen all year

Congrats.

It took my two years to come up with an avatar and sig
and this is the best I could come up with.

by einman77 on Oct 16, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions

he looked awfully good in the fanfest game

by riccc_l on Oct 15, 2009 10:23 AM PDT reply actions

Yeah, I'm still watching that one on the DVR

Emphasis on the word “watching” (I mute the horrendous announcing). Might as well throw that game in with the preseason games; these are ALL glorified scrimmages. Bottom line: GO’s improved play—including his lack of fouling—is unmistakable by now. No hype: GO is looking like the player he was projected to be coming out of Ohio State. And when the smoke clears (e.g., Roy gets the rust off and the team starts to mesh), THAT will probably be the big story with this team.

Everyone—fans, media, and players—said going into this season that the key would be GO’s progress or lack of same. But no one’s focusing on that now. Maybe that’s for the best: poor GO has been the center of attention too much the past two years.

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by hurryup09 on Oct 15, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions

intended pun on 'center' ?

ftw.

I've tried for quite some time to come up with an epic signature. I now realize that I don't post frequently enough for it to really matter.

by Marmaduke on Oct 16, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions

If anything, I think he's fouling too little at this point

Probably because he’s actively trying to stay out of foul trouble, but it’s also affecting his defensive aggressiveness. He was much more aggressive back in college in going after blocks and backing people down on offense. Not as much this year, it seems. Then again, I’d have to be able to actually watch something besides the highlights…

He’ll likely won’t find the right balance of aggression this year, but eventually he’ll get there.

by xedubx on Oct 15, 2009 11:58 AM PDT reply actions

i thinks it fine for now and that eventually he'll self correct when he's lost the title of foul machine.

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by Zaron5551 on Oct 15, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions

I agree that he should lay off the aggression for at least until the All Star game.

If he makes it, he can go total aggressive on defense again, because the calls will go his way.

If he doesn’t make it, then he can wait for the playoffs to up it a notch.

It will simply help him to have time out there with refs seeing how good he is, and that he took what they had to say last year and improved himself. Once that, or something big like the All Star Game, is under his belt he should get some equal treatment.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Oct 15, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions

What amazes me....

Is that hes been able to manage the low foul rate, with the replacement refs calling so many. Awesome.

by tmundal on Oct 15, 2009 12:20 PM PDT reply actions

But the replacement refs...

…also aren’t calling the “star calls” for Brandon either.

I think it’s a good thing for basketball. I think Brandon has been frustrated though when he drives to the hoop expecting a call.

by Dobbler on Oct 16, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions

Don't forget...

Greg Oden had three blocks last night. He was also one of the reasons they were taking so many threes. He clogs the middle. Outside of Steve Nash’s reverse layups and the Suns fastbreak points they didn’t do much inside the key.

It was the perimeter defense allowing 12-23 3-pt shooting that beat the Blazers. The Suns had only made 12 total in the previous three games at a 29% clip. Plus we shot only 2-12 three pointers. Big difference and why we lost. I doubt if that oddity will happen again.

by KA-Oregon on Oct 15, 2009 1:30 PM PDT reply actions

If he ain't fouled off, he oughta be on the court!

Re: above, expecting 30 mpg..:

Per 30 avg
18.5ppg 12.5rpg 1.5bpg 2.7Fouls

Per 36 avg
22.2ppg 15.1rpg 1.8bpg 3.2Fouls

If Greg has 3 fouls, and there are 6 minutes left in the game… I sure hope he’s on the court….

by Visionary2 on Oct 15, 2009 11:55 PM PDT reply actions

Big man play is very tiring

IIRC howard only averaged slightly over 30 mpg. We should win as many games as the magic did last year, therefore I expect similiar numbers of blow outs and OT games. It would be reasonable to assume his minutes would be somewhat similar? I would not expect Oden to play more MPG than howard.

by lurtsman on Oct 16, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions

It should be noted

That Oden would also be averaging 2.8 TO per 30 or 3.4 TO per 36. That is a lot of turnovers for someone who doesn’t really handle the ball that much. I think that is the main thing that Oden needs to improve in order to show the Blazers that they should run more of the offense through him.

by trk on Oct 16, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions