Tuesday Practice Report
Tomorrow night's starters: Miller, Roy, Webster, Aldridge, Oden.
Other than that, Juwan Howard got his head bandage off and I came away with the following tidbits.
Brandon Roy and Greg Oden
There are a lot of topics that have been lost in Andre Miller's wake the last week but one of the biggest has to be the developing relationship between Brandon Roy and Greg Oden. I've maintained since early in camp that Oden will be this team's starting center. After the first exhibition game, Jason Quick quoted Brandon Roy practically endorsing Oden for that starting spot and nothing that's come out in the last week -- either on the practice court or in discussions afterwards -- leads me to believe that will change. Indeed, as Joe Freeman tweeted this morning, Oden will be starting again tomorrow night.
There have been a few lines of thinking regarding this team that I'm surprised haven't converged. The first states that Brandon Roy needs the ball in his hands to succeed and the rest of the team will play off of him. The second states that Greg Oden will benefit from playing with (presumably starting alongside) Andre Miller. We should probably put two and two together here: an improved relationship between Brandon Roy and Greg Oden should both allow the team's offense (Nate's system) to run at peak efficiency and to further Oden's development. I would even go so far as to argue that Roy could ultimately be a bigger deciding factor for Oden than Miller, simply because of how Nate McMillan has focused his offensive philosophy around Roy and Aldridge (but especially Roy) up to this point.
Although Roy is a skilled passer who puts up respectable assist totals, there wasn't a fantastic connection between the two players last year. In fairness to Roy, I'm not sure Oden had a fantastic connection with any of his teammates. In fairness to Oden, he was injured for portions of the season and was removed from the starting lineup so the possibility for that connection to develop was limited.
Those excuses are so 2008. With a new season comes new expectations for both players.
On paper, these two guys -- versatile guard and physically imposing big -- should be perfectly suited for each other offensively. Healthy now, Oden covers a remarkable amount of court space quickly. He has a huge body and sets reasonable picks. As I mentioned on a recent podcast, the team looks to be extending his range during camp scrimmages, even giving him the ball near the top of the key on occasion so that he can be a moving target once he swings the ball around the perimeter. While McMillan still considers LaMarcus Aldridge an offensive option nearly as potent as Brandon Roy, he's no fool: he knows dunks are better than jumpers -- even Aldridge's jumpers. He's surely looking to integrate Oden into the offense as quickly as Oden's development allows.
As Roy and Oden have started to log more playing time together over the past week, it seems Roy is starting to truly realize that too. Asked today about his developing relationship with Greg Oden, Brandon Roy told me...
We've played together a lot this week. It's been good. Getting our rhythm.
Today we were going over bounce passes up high. I was asking him where he likes it. And then with me on screens, he was asking me 'how do you like the screens? You want me to trail you?'
It was good to conversate with him and talk.
I'm looking forward to these next games, man, just to play hard and try to build a rhythm for the regular season.
These answers, while promising, were a little surprising: despite all the progress Oden made this summer -- and there was a lot of it -- he's still at square one when it comes to the little things that end up turning good big guys into great big guys. The ability to intuitively know where his guards are headed. The ability to make space for his guards. The ability to make himself a target in as many situations as possible. The ability to demand the ball and get it.
In two years, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Oden is doing all of those things. But today? He's not there yet.
But if there have been two areas of promise with Oden's development so far this camp, it's been his passing ability and -- this one might surprise you -- his hands. I wrote about his passing after the Kings game but I haven't yet really written about his hands, partially because I'm a little wary of trusting my eyes on what was a touchy subject last year and partially because he's committed 9 turnovers in 72 minutes of preseason action.
Numbers and self-doubt aside, there does seem to be progress. Last year, lacking in confidence and balance, Oden was regularly careless with the ball, unsure of when and where to dribble, getting stripped when he brought the ball down below his waist, fumbling passes, and even getting the ball taken out of his hands during shot attempts. So far at camp and practice, we've seen less of that. I would attribute this primarily to his new-found confidence and conditioning: less concerned about whether he can trust his legs and manage the pace of the game, Oden seems better able to focus on doing what he's supposed to do with the ball.
He also seems like a better target than last year. His hands are up more and he's digging in deeper for position (something Nate has praised). He's also doing something else better, something that Brandon pointed out to me today when I asked him how he thought Greg's hands stood in comparison to other bigs around the league...
He has good hands. He seals so well it's like he's the only one that can get to the ball. That's the great thing. When I throw to him I feel really comfortable. It's like you throw it inside to Greg and nobody else can get to it. He can seal really well. I think Greg has good hands.
I never really played with too many other big men. LaMarcus has good hands. I think both of them have really good hands.
To Roy, the two ideas are synonymous when it comes to Oden: sealing well = good hands. By virtue of his size alone, Oden could already seal adequately last season; it seems like half his points came from uncontested dunks, doesn't it? But with his improved balance and court awareness, this skill could prove to be a true, consistent weapon for Oden and the Blazers, particularly if someone like Brandon -- who already appreciates the skill -- proactively helps Oden exploit the advantages it creates. Sealing shouldn't just lead to dunks. It should lead to hooks, drop steps and, inevitably, it should draw more double teams as well.
Tthe relationship between these two players is something I'll be watching closely throughout the early part of this season. Development is needed and should be expected. In a best case scenario, it could get really exciting.
Brandon Roy's Weight
As has been well-documented, Roy isn't off to the best start this pre-season. Cross his weight off the list of possible explanations. Talking with him today, he made it quite clear he likes where he is at physically.
Nah, I weighed in yesterday at 208. I went up to about 210 but I'm back at 208. I like it though, I feel good, my legs feel really good. I think I'm at the right weight. Especially for my knees and my joints and things like that. I feel good. When I weighed in at 208, I was like great. I thought I had went up, but I didn't. The important thing is not going [up and down a lot], 205, 210.
208 was the exact weight he entered camp at. So after roughly 2 weeks of around the clock work he's settled in pretty precisely weight-wise.
Pritchard on Udoka vs. Collins
We heard from Nate McMillan the other day on what he's seen from Jarron Collins. KP was at practice again today so I asked him briefly how he sees the race for that last spot shaping up. If you trust the whispers, Udoka would seem to be the odds-on favorite and some sources have even implied that he's Nate's choice. Here's the text of my brief chat with Pritchard. Parse away.
Will that last roster spot be your decision, Nate's decision or a group decision?
It's all of us. Tom [Penn] will have an input, assistant coaches, Mike Born our director of NBA scouting, we'll all get in a room and talk about it. We'll figure out what we think is best. We probably won't all agree, which is a good thing.
I heard that not everyone reached the same conclusion about who to keep last year, Shavlik Randolph or Steven Hill. . What's it like during those roster discussions? Contentious?
It's not contentious. We have too good of a relationship with all of us to make it contentious. We just get in a room, debate the plusses and minuses and look to add the best player.
With the spot this year are you looking at anything in particular? Experience? Depth at a position?
It's a combination of all those factors. It's who is the best player. Who can fill in and help us. Who can help the young guys adjust to the NBA level. It's all those things. It's very all-encompassing.
Udoka has seen quite a bit more playing time than Collins. Nate says he's seen enough from Collins to make his assessment. Have you seen enough to fully evaluate what he might bring to this team?
Absolutely. We know Collins. We're seeing him here every day at practice. Knows how to play. Good competitor. Very smart. Played with good systems, played with great coaches. He's an NBA player, no doubt.
Nate praised Collins' work with Greg in the video room. Is that potential relationship a factor here?
We like our experienced players helping our younger players. That's part of a good culture and what we want those guys to do.
Pleasantries aside, it doesn't seem like a particularly positive indicator when you are barely playing during the preseason and yet your Coach and General Manager both agree they've seen enough. Although the line, "he's an NBA player" did stand out.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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good stuff
i hope collins gets the spot. i love ime but with the small forward situation the blazers have i feel like its more likely they would need game minutes from collins if oden or joel gets hurt
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by staceyaugmon4HOF on Oct 13, 2009 2:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Plus I can’t imagine that Ime has a whole heck of a lot to teach anyone, whereas I can see Collins having great basketball sense, and probably can convey pretty easily (I mean this man graduated from Stanford) to Greg what he needs to be looking for. He played for Sloan for what 8 years or something? He certainly knows how to react, and read, he’s just never had the skills (nor height) to take his game to the next level, and all that information he has is useful and valuable to especially Greg.
My thoughts are that we’ve seen enough from Collins to keep him on our roster, Ime’s being shown to the rest of the league so he can get put into a good situation.
You're saying that they look like they're giving it their all. And you know why they look that way? Because they're bad, and it literally takes them the maximum physical effort to accomplish basic baseball tasks like throwing the ball from short to first. When David Eckstein throws the ball to first base, he has to wind up like a shot-putter, spin around forty-three times, and launch it at an angle 89 degrees from the horizontal. Afterwards, he undergoes an IV drip for a fortnight and he's so out of breath that he requires several months of acupuncture to regain the power of speech. For this we laud him. -Junior of Deadspin on 'scrappy' players
by TheOdenator on Oct 13, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know.
Ime, in my opinion, is a better player for his position than Collins. While I think we can all agree that the Blazers could use another big, the best way to find a quality one would be through a trade. The most bang for our buck is probably Outlaw, so having a third SF might not be such a bad idea. especially considering Websters history.
In terms of flexibility I think Udoka is probably the best choice.
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 13, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh.
I don’t think either can contribute to us winning a game. I rest my decision on off-court tangibles.
You're saying that they look like they're giving it their all. And you know why they look that way? Because they're bad, and it literally takes them the maximum physical effort to accomplish basic baseball tasks like throwing the ball from short to first. When David Eckstein throws the ball to first base, he has to wind up like a shot-putter, spin around forty-three times, and launch it at an angle 89 degrees from the horizontal. Afterwards, he undergoes an IV drip for a fortnight and he's so out of breath that he requires several months of acupuncture to regain the power of speech. For this we laud him. -Junior of Deadspin on 'scrappy' players
by TheOdenator on Oct 13, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what Collins has to offer in the way of off-court tangibles.
I like them both in different ways. With a set roster I would probably take Collins, but I think there’s a good chance one of our small forwards gets traded, so in terms of flexibility it would be nice to have Ime.
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 13, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aside from being really smart
and being coached by Sloan for 8 years?
Probably not much. But I don’t see Ime offering anything. And I certainly don’t want him playing SF. If one of our SF’s gets traded it’ll have to be Martell or Batum because trading Travis opens up 0 minutes at the SF spot. And if we are making trades it would probably better not to sign anyone so that way we have the extra money.
You're saying that they look like they're giving it their all. And you know why they look that way? Because they're bad, and it literally takes them the maximum physical effort to accomplish basic baseball tasks like throwing the ball from short to first. When David Eckstein throws the ball to first base, he has to wind up like a shot-putter, spin around forty-three times, and launch it at an angle 89 degrees from the horizontal. Afterwards, he undergoes an IV drip for a fortnight and he's so out of breath that he requires several months of acupuncture to regain the power of speech. For this we laud him. -Junior of Deadspin on 'scrappy' players
by TheOdenator on Oct 13, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know he's smart?
I’m not saying he isn’t, but apparently his smarts weren’t enough to earn him a legit spot in an NBA rotation. Clearly all his time spent with Sloan didn’t help him develop a well rounded skill set. Really, what can he tell Oden about, besides taking charges? (Which is probably more instinctual anyway.)
Hey Oden, I’m Jarron Collins. Let me show how to NEVER develop an offensive game.
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 13, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He GRADUATED from STANFORD.
That’s how I know he’s smart.
He does not have the skills to be an NBA player, but he does know the game very well. Which is how he’s stayed on an NBA roster for 8 years, it wasn’t like he had amazing athleticism, that they were waiting for the rest of his game to develop.
You're saying that they look like they're giving it their all. And you know why they look that way? Because they're bad, and it literally takes them the maximum physical effort to accomplish basic baseball tasks like throwing the ball from short to first. When David Eckstein throws the ball to first base, he has to wind up like a shot-putter, spin around forty-three times, and launch it at an angle 89 degrees from the horizontal. Afterwards, he undergoes an IV drip for a fortnight and he's so out of breath that he requires several months of acupuncture to regain the power of speech. For this we laud him. -Junior of Deadspin on 'scrappy' players
by TheOdenator on Oct 13, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure that all Stanford grads are intelligent, however in this case I tend to agree.
Furthermore , you have a dissertation as your quote and it’s making me dislexic. Please adjust, kthx
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by BlazerFan1 on Oct 13, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great reasoning here.
As a Stanford grad he has to be smart.
Maybe, but when it comes to off-court intangibles, I’d rather rely on what the staff thinks of his basketball knowledge and ability to teach. Fortunately for you, both Nate and KP do comment on that.
Of cours they also comment on his being an NBA player. That and the fact he’s played 8 years in the league argue against your second point.
Also, when it comes to off-court intangibles, Udoka doesn’t give up a thing to Collins or likely any other player in the league. He’s demonstrated both an intelligent understanding of the game and what comes from hard work and effort. More than one report has mentioned how much McMillan likes him. That alone speaks volumns. Then there is the little incidence from Ime’s days playing in Africa, where he almost single-handedly waded into a mob and enabled his teammates to make it safely to their bus.
If you are choosing based on intangibles, Udoka is easily a front runner.
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by timg56 on Oct 13, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Udoka is a coach.
Literally.
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 13, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd still rather have Collins for a backup in case of injury to our bigs
Just casting my vote, and why. :-)
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Oct 13, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would prefer Collins
But if they are stuck on this “best player regardless of position” mantra then I can see how Ime would get the gig…and who knows what they are thinking trade wise.
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Oct 13, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True that.
It would be cool if we had the skinny on any possible trade scenarios KP has going on. Alas, we are left her to speculate…
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Oct 13, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Collins = insurance at center, fouls and injuries happen.
Graduated from Stanford and 8 years under Sloan, he isn’t going to hurt you.
Ime = a feel good story, and log jam at sf. How many role models does this team need ????
This Blazer fan will feel A LOT better deep in the playoffs, with insurance at center.
"That's just how I get down"........ Andre Miller
by FrenchieFan on Oct 13, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fouls are irrelevant
You can only suit up 12 guys, and he won’t be one of them.
Injury cover matters.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 13, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stanford?
Does graduating from a good school help you become a better basketball player? Lebron James must be terrible.
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 13, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Stanford's biggest fan
(for a non-Stanford grad) but you need more than this. Do we know that Stanford does not go easy on its elite athletes? See also Duke. And the military academies. I’m inclined to agree on general principles but I think some actual evidence is warranted.
by ShelbyC on Oct 13, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After factoring in defense, Ime Udoka is productive than Travis Outlaw at the 3. As ...
it is, Outlaw and Jerryd Bayless should be packaged in a trade — since there’s a glut of players at their respective positions — and Ime Udoka should make the roster as a third-string small forward who, in the case of a reccurring injury to Martell Webster, can effectively play spot minutes in a pinch.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 13, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to agree with you.
I wouldn’t mind hanging onto Bayless, but it’s pointless if both Blake and Miller are sticking around.
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 13, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if Martell is injured
Ime probably wouldn’t see PT. Who are you going to play at that spot, Ime or Rudy?
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 13, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Travis Outlaw is dealt and Martell Webster went down with an injury, Ime ...
Udoka would be in line for about 16 minutes per game. While Rudy Fernandez would get some minutes besides Brandon Roy at the wings — with Fernandez playing the 3 offensively and the 2 defensively, as well as vice versa for Roy — plenty of time would still be availabe for Udoka under those circumstances.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 13, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For sure.
And he’s probably the only guy out of Webster, Batum, Outlaw, Fernandez, Roy, that would be ok with 15 or less minutes per game.
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 13, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe this for a minute
Batum’s minutes would go up to 30 mpg. Brandon would play 35, Rudy would play 30, there’s 95 mpg at the two wings.
Rudy is so much better than Ime. If we needed a defensive stopper, Nic would cover it. You wouldn’t sit Rudy and play Ime, unless it was a blowout.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 13, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not convinced
that that’s a better solution than trading Ime and Jerryd. “More productive” is not very definitive, especially without statistical backup, though I think even that would be equivocal. Also, while I don’t hang everything on team chemistry, I think Outlaw contributes a lot more there than Ime does.
Not to diss Ime; I’m happy to have him on the team.
by ShelbyC on Oct 13, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everything off the court is a useless intangible, so there's flat-out no "off-court tangibles."
Anyway, Jarron Collins is a one-dimensional player who doesn’t produce much on the court. Beyond being a smart one-on-one interior defender, savvy and taking chargers, and good at setting screens, he brings nothing offensively or on the glass. If an injury occurs to one of the centers, Greg Oden or Joel Przybilla, then Collins is NOT the answer. As N.V.E. mentioned in his post, trading for a backup 4/5 banger — with Nick Collison probably being the best fit out there — is the right move at this time.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 13, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad Collins and Oden
were wasting their time on off-court intangibles looking at film together.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 13, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
road trips
12 players, 12 taxi cabs…I have to play with that dude for 8 months a year, why would I want to hang out with him?
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 13, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, that's why people usually differentiate between friends and co-workers.
Just like how things go for us in the so-called real world, pro atheltes deal with stuff in the same way.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 13, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can't pick your teammates
but you can pick your entourage
Actually, I’d put this group of Blazers up as an exception to “the rule” Because we’ve heard about them all going out to eat in groups of 5-6 on the road, and enjoying each other’s company. Has that comradarie helped them advance from 33-41-54 wins in the last 3 years? Who’s to say? But it hasn’t hurt. Nate’s trying to establish an c with this group, and we’ll just have to wait and see if there’s enough PT and basketball touches to keep everybody happy
For what it’s worth, the ‘77 Blazers had some off-the-court mojo goin’ on, back in the day. And thankfully, a few filmakers got some of that candid “off the court” activity on video
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by two4larue on Oct 13, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure how that happened
but that “c” was supposed to say “espirit de corps”
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by two4larue on Oct 13, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sbn is watching you and making sure you don't force anyone to learn any languages besides American ;)
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
by austinpwnz on Oct 13, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Many of my friends are also co-workers.
The two are not exclusive subsets.
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by timg56 on Oct 14, 2009 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but they don't have to be one in the same.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 14, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the best way to find a quality one would be through a trade. The most bang for our buck is probably Outlaw, so having a third SF might not be such a bad idea. especially considering Websters history.
I agree with this line of thinking. If Udoka is retained, it should signal an upcoming roster-thinning deal. And we already know about the capspace that will be available when the Euro-holds come off on the 27th. Perhaps KP is waiting until then, to see if any preseason injuries crop up, either to his guys or around the league
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 13, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
By that line of reasoning ...
… when the cute girl at the checkout stand smiles at me, I should figure on getting laid that evening.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Oct 13, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Outlaw will still be in a Portland uniform
the last week of February? ‘Cause I don’t, unless there’s another season-long injury to another Blazer wing player
Might as well deal him sooner, if the right deal is there, and let him get his shots and earn his next contract on another team
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by two4larue on Oct 13, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, a deal is in the best interest of Travis Outlaw and the Portland Trail Blazers.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 13, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That all said
KP has yet to pull the trigger on a significant mid-season trade…yeah to a lot of us a Travis trade makes sense, but I wouldn’t bet my house its going to happen this season.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Oct 13, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think about it at all.
I’m looking forward to watching the Blazers play and hopefully win most of their games. Things like roster masterbation and pretending to be a GM are not part of my enjoyment.
Whether or not Travis or any other current member of the team is still a Blazer in February is completely out of my control and basically irrelevant. I like and root for the team we have. If Kevin Pritchard and the rest of the team brain trust believe they can improve upon the team they already have, then fine. That’s their job. Mine is to enjoy watching the team that takes the court. If you get your enjoyment by pointing out how others should be doing their job, I guess that’s fine too. It isn’t for me.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Oct 14, 2009 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You need to stop thinking like a homer and start thinking like a real.fan
I don’t even have kids and I can’t help but look forward to the day they get out of the house, the day I divorce my wife or she dies, and the day my dog dies. Might as well start planning the funerals of everyone I know who is older than me.
by tominhawaii on Oct 14, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I guess I shouldn't mention about the dude on his way over ...
… to Hawaii with an axe in his luggage and your address in his pocket.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Oct 14, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be awfully careful
about reading any “signaling” into anything Nate actually DOES, let alone anything he DOESN’T do.
by ShelbyC on Oct 13, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
True, but the Blazers brass may be intending to thin the small forward herd with a trade
In that event, Ime might make more sense than Collins as the 15th man. Also: I wouldn’t be surprised if Nate and KP are grooming Ime to be an assistant coach. Just a thought…
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Oct 13, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top Drawer Material, Ben
One question:
Oden isn’t discouraged from his last outing, is he? Please tell me he is still confident..
by SloppyJoe on Oct 13, 2009 2:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Rambo was a short lived experiment.
Rumors of Batum’s demise have been greatly exaggerated.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
by Arby on Oct 13, 2009 2:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rambo is dead, long live Rambo
Instead of Rambo do we have to call this lineup:
Aldridge
Webster
Oden
Roy
Miller
“A Worm” just isn’t the same.
by JonathanPDX on Oct 13, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol no, no, wait...
A Worm….
it’s got a ring to it!
I'd still honk once!
by bklynblazr on Oct 13, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And this is the real reason Comcast doesn't broadcast out in the more rural AKA Conservative districts of Oregon
the OBAMA line up ;)
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by BlazerFan1 on Oct 13, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard he's already being considered the front runner for MVP ...
… even though the season has yet to start.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Oct 13, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Is there a Nobel Prize
for dominating?
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Oct 13, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, but there's one
for suggesting you WANT to dominate.
by ShelbyC on Oct 13, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This should be green!
I feel very comfortable declaring this is a championship unit. Bring on the Larry O’Brien trophy already!
Blazers: RUN away with the title!
KP: Please don't trade the next decade's Scottie Pippen (Batum), Spanish Larry Bird (Rudy), Bill Russell (GO) or Captain BRoy - at least until they 3-peat..
by Visionary2 on Oct 13, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RAWMO
MOWRA
WRAMO
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 13, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WRAMO.....
….in Cincinatti
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Oct 13, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MAROW
Miller
Aldridge
Roy
Oden
Webster
by ShelbyC on Oct 13, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
like the sound a cat makes?
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
by austinpwnz on Oct 13, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"He's an NBA player" is something that Buchanan likes to say, so maybe Nate and KP have picked it up or vice versa
I suppose it means everything and nothing.
Chad Buchanan on Collison: “He’s an NBA player.” http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/6/17/912645/wednesday-pre-draft-workout-report
Buchanan on Jerebko: “…definitely an NBA player” http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/6/16/911479/tuesday-draft-workout-report
Buchanan on Marcus Thornton the same day: “Definitely an NBA player” http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/6/16/911479/tuesday-draft-workout-report
Buchanan on Lawson with a superlative: “Definitely an NBA player for sure” http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/6/23/922597/the-ty-lawson-report
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
by Norsktroll on Oct 13, 2009 3:05 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
If you're in the NBA, you're an NBA player.
by MiledAnimal on Oct 13, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are a Blazers Edge contributor
quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur
by dvcastle on Oct 13, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not get carried away :)
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 13, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
well, that's debatable
There are always guys (like Matt Bonner) who fit a certain system well, but if they were let go by the Spurs (etc) they might not ever find their way onto another NBA roster
and you can take a look at Euro rosters and see guys where you think to yourself “oh yeah, I remember him, I wonder why he couldn’t get a job in the NBA?” Sometimes it’s personality issues, sometimes guys get a better/guaranteed contract overseas (with more perks) But I think there’s a 10% gray area where guys who “should be” NBA players aren’t on a current roster, and some guys have an NBA job who are basically stiffs, filling out the 13-15 spots on the roster because the coach likes their “intangibles” (they “know their role and shut their mouth” etc)
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 13, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerome James would like to have a word with you, but only after he scarfs down his buffet dinner.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 13, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You notice how none of those referenced players are Blazers?
I think that when KP or the scouts say something like that, what they are essentially telling us is,
“We’re not going to pick this guy… but we like him anyway. So we’re going to make a statement to the rest of the league that this guy is worth taking a look at.”
The other phrase they use that’s just like this is “He can play in this league.” which they seem to reserve for draftees and call-ups from other leagues.
by conspirator5 on Oct 13, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The elephant in the room
Oden is looking like a sure fire starter and Andre is probably best equipped to get him going (especially his ability to throw lob passes). As much as I love Roy’s game and his ability to dominate at the offensive end, I think this team never realizes it’s full potential until they are able to blend the inside game with the guard oriented game.
by nikolokolus on Oct 13, 2009 3:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the bigger elephant in the room is LaMarcus
especially with his contract situation. Roy has proven himself to be very efficient on offense while operating outside of Oden’s wheelhouse. LA, on the other hand, has shown flashes of efficiency down low, but seems to prefer the midrange jumper. If Oden’s touches are going to come from someone, he’s the primary guy to be looking at. It’s hard to imagine either Miller/Blake or Batum/Webster using fewer possessions at thePG/SF spots than a year ago, and Oden’s strong play is demanding a lot more offense than Joel got at the center spot a year ago.
by Royster on Oct 13, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LA's game should complement Oden well
I agree that, at least in the long run, LA might lose some touches to Greg. But LA’s soft touch should help to space the floor and facilitate some great high-post / low-post plays between the two of them.
by DC Blazer on Oct 13, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a matter of complementing
it’s a matter of involvement. Nate has already had to assure Brandon and LaMarcus that they wouldn’t be losing any touches in the offense, but touches for Oden have to come from somewhere, and it’s not like our starting PG or SF have many to give up. So naturally if Oden is starting and seeing more of the ball than Joel did, it’s going to mean fewer touches for either Roy or Aldridge or both. Unless the season starts and we immediately go back to never looking at feeding the post, this will happen sooner rather than later.
Between the two of them, one has proven to be a highly efficient scorer and the other hasn’t. As great as Aldridge is at shooiting jumpers, he’ll never be more efficient shooting them than Oden is with dunks, or Roy is getting to the basket so it’s a no brainer where those touches should come from. If Oden’s presence causes Aldridge to move out of the post more than he already is, that should mean even fewer touches for him. So yes, his game is a good complement to Oden’s stylistically, but Greg’s emergence has potentially the largest impact on Aldridge, which I’m not sure he’ll be too thrilled about as he’s trying to make a push of the all star game in is home town and for a new contract.
by Royster on Oct 13, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully, touches != shots
and Brandon uses some of his touches to feed Greg.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 13, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The most interesting question
is whether Roy is the odd man out. What if Miller (master feeder), Oden (inside talent) and Aldridge (mid-range shooter) are the killer starting combo, and Roy (pick-’n-roll/drive), Blake (3-pt) and Rudy (??) are the other scoring set? Or, more likely (but still not very likely) some other Roy-including group is best as the non-starters?
This is really a variant on the non-Miller-starting question, but seriously, from a pure manager standpoint and assuming player egos were irrelevant, is there anything here?
by ShelbyC on Oct 13, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
Oden, Batum, Rudy, and Aldridge would all benefit from playing with Miller.
Maybe Roy should just come off the bench. He’s such a selfish jerk, he probably thinks his starting spot is guaranteed.
by Nick Van Excellent on Oct 13, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if Roy was really selfish
you’d think Brandon would want to add a “6th man of the year” award to his trophy case
John Havlicek used to play 35+ mpg, I’m just sayin’
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 13, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or as I said just above ...
(albeit after these comments were posted)
by ShelbyC on Oct 13, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Ben!...but where are the Kicks?
I’m missing me some Kick Pics!
by jstbeachy on Oct 13, 2009 3:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no kick pix from practices
but games, yeah
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 13, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My official prediction for opening night starting lineup and rotation
Starting:
Oden
Aldridge
Roy
Batum
Blake
First off bench:
Outlaw
Przybilla
Rudy
Miller
Webster
DNP – CD:
Howard
Bayless
Collins/Udoka
"whoever scores the most points is probably gonna win the game"
by kobestopper on Oct 13, 2009 3:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+ Cunningham + Pendergraph
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
by pualo on Oct 13, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Oden is the "new" big man
LaMarcus is the player with only an outside jumper and no long term contract who only plays well w. steve blake. Meanwhile, Brandon is playing well with Oden but not well enough with miller, and Oden’s hands are getting there but still Oden can’t set a pick, how could the team start a player that can’t set a pick for Broy?!
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 13, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
If he still can't set a pick
after a full summer, you’re right he does not deserve a starting role, simple as that. But Ben says that he can set a reasonable pick, and since he can seal well it seems like that would be a skill that would translate into setting picks, right?
You're saying that they look like they're giving it their all. And you know why they look that way? Because they're bad, and it literally takes them the maximum physical effort to accomplish basic baseball tasks like throwing the ball from short to first. When David Eckstein throws the ball to first base, he has to wind up like a shot-putter, spin around forty-three times, and launch it at an angle 89 degrees from the horizontal. Afterwards, he undergoes an IV drip for a fortnight and he's so out of breath that he requires several months of acupuncture to regain the power of speech. For this we laud him. -Junior of Deadspin on 'scrappy' players
by TheOdenator on Oct 13, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
an hour left to work and my ability to be serious and post comments void of cynicism
goes out the window.
In this case, my comments about Oden were completely sarcastic. And I don’t know why either, I just thought,f or a moment, it would be hilarious to contend Greg Oden can’t set a pick. I mean, he’s got tons of other issues, ;)
s
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Oct 13, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you're half joking here,
but that is a pretty good synopsis of what’s going on…
by Blazin' on Oct 13, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oden starting
I think this is the best argument for Miller also starting. No matter how “comfortable” Roy feels with Blake, Andre will make Greg a better player with his lobs and post-entry passes
The comment about Oden’s hands reminds me of Stockton-Malone. John was interviewed a month or so ago and said that he couldn’t throw Karl a bad pass. Even when he thought he messed up and turned the ball over, the Mailman would come up with the ball and score. Hopefully, Greg will start making the other Blazers look so good
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 13, 2009 3:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm extremely disappointed in the whole ego battle...
The whole concept of being a starter is ruining this team before it even got off the ground. How can seemingly intelligent players not see how it’s more important to assemble complimentary units than who starts vs. who comes off the bench? Why is coming off the bench considered such a demotion in basketball? It’s so simple it’s mind-boggling, yet they don’t seem to get it.
Why in the world would anyone think that if you want to get Oden more involved in the offense, that you stick him in the same unit as Roy and Aldrige? Who is NOT going to be loitering at the 3pt line if you stick Webster, Rudy, Outlaw and Blake in the same unit? How can Miller do the things he is most effective at with Roy, who has never run a fast break in his life? Gahhhh!
by superfly05 on Oct 13, 2009 4:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
T'was ever thus: NBA players view starting as a big, big deal
Havlicek was a 6th man; he revolutionized the role. But I’m guessing he accepted it reluctantly and belatedly. Same for Ginobli, I suspect. The Blazers clearly will have to drag Miller to the bench kicking and screaming—if that’s their decision. As for Oden: would YOU want to be the one telling him he’s a reserve again? Genial giant or no, Nate might balk at that assignment and make Bayno do it.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Oct 13, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
“Nate might balk at that assignment and make Bayno do it.”
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Oct 13, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was OK with it
but think about it, being the sixth man, you are not just competing with dudes at your position, you are competing with the entire bench. Great sixth men are not all that common, as opposed to your servicable NBA sub, which are a dime a dozen.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Oct 13, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
...quoth the experienced servicable NBA sub.
by ShelbyC on Oct 13, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang, agree or disagree
but was pulling out middle english vocabulary really neccessary?
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Oct 13, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I’m guessing he accepted it reluctantly and belatedly
Actually, it was a Celtic tradtion under Auerbach. Frank Ramsey first, then John. Boston kept this 6th man tradition going through the ’60s and ’70s and it was definitely no “disrespect” to the player who accepted the role. The feeling was the team needed a spark, and Havlicek came off the bench and provided that.
The unique thing about Hondo is that he could run around the court and never get tired. So for him to play a 35+ mpg role off the bench might be a bit easier than for most guys, because he could stay in the game for the rest of each half without needing another “break”
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 13, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know why he had such huge lung capacity, don't you?
Hondo is a cool story, in the end.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Oct 13, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember the Hawthorn Wingo story
but I thought it was a joke that Hondo had “3 lungs”
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 13, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
6th man is one thing,
Second string is another.
There is a spot for a spark plug off the bench. Players like Ginobli made this an all-star status spot.
But that is Rudy or Travis on our team. For Oden and Miller, this means being second string. Unless you intend to have them in the game down the stretch in the fourth quarter, in which case, why the heck don’t you start them in the first place?
If you are serious in this league, everything you do has an eye toward the post-season, when rotations shrink to 8 or even 7.
This is why NBA teams tend to start their best 5, perhaps with the exception of a 6th man for chemistry and spark plug purposes. Because you want your best players on the floor at crunch time, and you need to give them experience working together.
If you ask me, this two team business is amateur stuff. Portland’s first focus should be on working out the issues with the first team. Or would you rather start only players that complement Brandon Roy so that 2 or 3 of our best 5 are on the second team. Ridiculous! And not good for Brandon either.
Simpler, and ultimately necessary, is to teach Brandon how to play with a point guard!
by Blazin' on Oct 13, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thank You!
“If you ask me, this two team business is amateur stuff. Portland’s first focus should be on working out the issues with the first team. Or would you rather start only players that complement Brandon Roy so that 2 or 3 of our best 5 are on the second team. Ridiculous! And not good for Brandon either.”
I couldn’t agree more.
by TimG on Oct 13, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, isn't the biggest question
which 5 can put up the biggest positive differential against other teams’ starting lineup? With the second question being which backup squad can do the same to other backups? Granted, your best 5 and second-best 5 will be among these two groups, but there’s no reason they should be completely divided between the first and second.
by ShelbyC on Oct 13, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you can't leave Miller and Oden on the bench at the start of games
just because Brandon is “more comfortable” with Blake, right? I don’t recall the Blazer’s starting 5 being all that dominant at the beginning of every half, it usually came down to how well LMA was shooting, because Roy usually didn’t look to attack until later in the game
For Greg to get involved on offense, you need Miller on the court. And Oden needs to start…Nate has to know that it be best for the team in the long run if #52 is in the starting 5. Roy and LMA will have to make some “adjustments” to get in synch with Andre, but they’ll be better for it after they all get used to playing with each other
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 13, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Miller really going to involve Oden significantly more than Blake/Roy would?
Miller is more ball-dominate and a higher usage player than Blake. That means fewer touches/shots for other players (including Oden) when he is on the court. If you want Oden to get his post offense going you are better off pairing him with shooters who don’t need the ball to be effective. I guess Miller could run the pick-and-roll with Oden, but so could Blake or Roy. So I don’t get where this “we have to start Miller for Oden’s sake” meme is coming from.
by trk on Oct 13, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and know
You are right that the “we have to start Miller for Oden’s sake” is not well-founded. We don’t have to do any such thing.
But Miller is going to significantly better at getting the ball to Greg in scoring position than Blake, Roy, or Blake and Roy combined, unless they significantly alter the dynamics of what they’ve done in the past (in which case, the chemistry is changed anyway).
We definitely want Greg and Andre to have significant time on court together. Whether that is at the start is not particularly important to me.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 13, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
playoffs
Our depth is good. But our second team is not going to get us to the Finals.
What you don’t want to do is to have incompatibilities on the floor that force you to field 2 separate units. This may be good for the win total, but creates a weakness that will be exploited against the league’s best coaches like Rick Adelman, Greg Popovich and Phil Jackson.
If the plan is to use the season to work on these incompatibilities, I am ok with that. But I would hope that keeping BRoy and LMA in their comfort zones is not the main priority here.
by Blazin' on Oct 14, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a status thing
I am a starter on an NBA team.
I am a member of the 2nd unit on an NBA team.
Of course these guys have egos. Even the scrubs were at one point probably the hottest thing in their high school district, state or region. That is part of what gets them to even be competing for an NBA job, sans types like Oden, where basketball chose him, instead of him choosing basketball.
These guys are competitors. They are supposed to compete for the starting job, especially at this stage whilest still in pre-season camp. I would hope all of them are competing for the starting job, regardless if they have a 99% chance of getting it, or 1% chance. So if you ask them, yeah, I fully aniticipate the bulk of them to say they are going for the starting job…not to say the Martell comment “I hope he gets it” isn’t refreshing, although he may just be trying to get inside Nic’s head :-).
Once the line-ups are settled, these guys will settle down into their roles. E.g., I fully anticipate that if Miller is slotted for the second unit, he will settle into that role, play hard and smart, and bide his time until Blake injures his shoulder.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Oct 13, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy doesn't need to run the fast break,
he just needs to allow someone else too.
It’s not that Brandon is selfish, it is that he is not good at playing off the ball. So he’s either in control, or not so effective. This and defense are what he needs to work at in his game. In other words, he needs to work at being more of a team player.
by Blazin' on Oct 13, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, I did NOT sign up another account...
rec’d for GMTA
Blazers: RUN away with the title!
KP: Please don't trade the next decade's Scottie Pippen (Batum), Spanish Larry Bird (Rudy), Bill Russell (GO) or Captain BRoy - at least until they 3-peat..
by Visionary2 on Oct 13, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy's admission that he hasn't played with "too many other big men" is revealing
That was my take last season: that GO’s teammates looked like they’d never played with a dominant big before. A lot of GO’s ineffectiveness on offense appeared to me to be the result of his teammates not knowing how and when to pass him the ball. Time and time again, GO would set a pick, then flash to the hoop, wide open for an alley-oop. But the pass would never come. I recall posting that, if Chris Paul were a Blazer, GO would be dunking as often as Tyson Chandler.
I’m not holding my breath waiting for Roy & Blake to deliver those passes this season. My hopes rest with Andre Miller.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Oct 13, 2009 5:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's one area where Andre Miller will make a noticeable positive impact. As much as you, I, ...
and everyone else loves Brandon Roy, he does have two obvious weaknesses. One of those is defensive effort, while the other is his reluctance to dump it down low to a back-to-the-basket center on offense. For the Trail Blazers to become more of a well-rounded threat on offense, passes that once went from Roy to LaMarcus Aldridge must now go to Oden.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 13, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be nice
to see some chemistry between LMA and Oden as well, i think Howard will help with that…
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Oct 13, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Howard may help LMA with that
we saw in the scrimmage and practice videos that Juwan was able to shovel the ball to Greg around the basket. Hopefully LMA will pick up on some of these veteran “interior passing” skills
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Oct 13, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We did see a bit of nice high-low action between GO & LMA last season
They even did a bit of it in GO’s summer league games (before he injured his knee). You could see right off the bat that these two young bigs wanted to look for each other—to become a twin towers-type combo. They both have nice hands and some passing ability. Like you say, Howard might help them develop their 2-man game.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Oct 13, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before people make too much of this ...
… lets step back for a moment and remember a couple of pertinent facts.
1) Roy and the rest of the Blazers have all of 1 year playing with a dominent big at center. Before this past season the only other experience they had was with Randolph.
2) Brandon Roy has all of 3 years in the league. It is easy to overlook this when we continually get blown away with how well he plays. But the fact is he’s still fairly well down on the learning curve of knowing all the tricks and nuances of the NBA game.
How about we let this team play together for awhile before we start making judgements of what they can and can’t do.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Oct 14, 2009 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Hands
So I got a little confused trying to figure out what “good hands” has to do with “sealing well” which I assume means sealing off your man on a roll to the basket. (A place where using your hands, gets you a foul call) I always understood good hands to be “soft hands”, or hands that have a easy time controlling the ball, while other lesser hands may have been said to have “stone hands” or were thought to be wearing oven mits while they played.
In any case, with hands that size and yet still the ability to shoot free throws as well as he does, (left handed to) I always thought Oden had at least pretty good hands. When he starts blocking shots by palming the ball, I will consider him to have really really good hands.
Although Roy seems to be talking as though they are one in the same, I have to beleive he is referring to a combination of talents. The ability to creat a passing lane by sealing off the defender, and the ability to receive and control the ball while rolling to the hoop.
Isn’t a high low post game between LA and Oden already in…. I mean, I have to ask that? That’s in the game plan right? With like Webster or Blake on the strong side to punish teams that want to bring the double team strong side. Can you imagine the dunks this could produce from weak side cuts (Roy, Batum) should a team choose to bring their double team from there?
I don’t think your ever concerned about every single player saying he wants start. They should want to start. If they didn’t I’d worry a little about them. (except Martell cause he’s all elightnened now, he read like The Essential Tao, or The Art of War or something)
by zersrule on Oct 13, 2009 6:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that in Roy's mind the two skills--sealing off and being able to catch a pass cleanly--are one
From Roy’s perspective, the bottom line is that he can toss the ball in GO’s direction any which way and GO will usually come up with it. How & why? Roy wouldn’t much care about that part.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Oct 13, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The two together means he is less likely to get a turnover, and more likely to get an assist...
Selfish…
Blazers: RUN away with the title!
KP: Please don't trade the next decade's Scottie Pippen (Batum), Spanish Larry Bird (Rudy), Bill Russell (GO) or Captain BRoy - at least until they 3-peat..
by Visionary2 on Oct 13, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was really good stuff Ben.
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Also: COMCAST SUCKS!
by TwoDeep on Oct 13, 2009 7:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"It was good to conversate with him and talk."
I’m sorry, “conversate”? ROFLMAO
Anyway, the Roy-Oden breakout is fantastic. I could not be more excited, or more thrilled by a quote. But that is freakin’ hilarious.
by ShelbyC on Oct 13, 2009 10:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Umm...
LaFrentz? Tryin’ too hard, maybe?
by ShelbyC on Oct 13, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a little. He’s still on the roster!
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by CaptainSexyJacob on Oct 13, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy's weight - -
Are two weeks enough to become comfortable with a new weight?
Oden went the whole year and was uncomfortable with his weight.
I don’t think we can completely rule it out.
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by CaptainSexyJacob on Oct 13, 2009 10:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lowered weight is
so much easier to become accustomed to than increased weight
Dude!, what's wrong with you? Why you gotta be holding a corn dog when I go for a high-five??
by 1badbadger on Oct 13, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the lineup I want to see on opening night...
As others have mentioned, GO needs to start. And Miller is the person to get him the ball at the right places and times.
Roy is your cornerstone.
LMA is also a given.
So what is needed at the 3? Without Blake, we are lacking a (serious) 3 point threat. I know Batum has improved over the summer, but I think Martel is the right choice from an offensive perspective. He can camp out in the corner and keep the defense honest.
So what does this mean for defense? GO and Priz are pretty much a wash on the boards, and GO probably gets another block per game. He alters shots a lot more than Priz.
Is Miller seems to be a bit of an upgrade over Blake. He seems like a better team defender.
Martel is a downgrade from Batum as far as “shut-down” defense. But with Miller and GO as upgrades, maybe this isn’t so important.
So who comes off the bench? Travis is likely your 6th man. Rudy spells Roy. Blake for Miller. Priz for GO. I think that’s your 9 man rotation for the playoffs.
by Dobbler on Oct 13, 2009 11:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
No Batum?
Dude!, what's wrong with you? Why you gotta be holding a corn dog when I go for a high-five??
by 1badbadger on Oct 13, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh... need sleep.
I did forget about Batum. I was thinking 8-9 man playoff rotation and stopped at 9 not even noticing Batum was left out. He would be #10.
I was in row 2 a couple years back and saw Martell go off for 22? in the third quarter against the Mavs. He earned a starting spot a year ago. If he starts, Batum probably doesn’t see 10 minutes a game last year.
I think Rudy and Travis get traded for another 4. Then it’s: Roy, LMA, GO, Andre, Martell / Batum, Blake, Priz and the backup 4 :)
by Dobbler on Oct 14, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batum > Webster
I think Batum starts and Webster is the most likely to fall out of the rotation in the playoffs.
by trk on Oct 13, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, Ben, I have to ask
It’s been killing me since you posted this.
Juwan Howard got his head bandage off and I came away with the following tidbits.
Did you intentionally put those two items in the same sentence? The visual image it creates is, oh, I don’t know how to describe it.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 14, 2009 1:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
heh!
I had to read that twice too…like little tidbits came spilling out of Juwan’s head, and Ben jsut kind of tried to catch them / scooped them up. Totally awesome!
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Oct 14, 2009 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My boy ,BRoy
I think Brandon has the most to deal with this year with the arrival of Dre.He has to learn to play better without the ball.But I also think Dre has to learn where BRoy is at .Brandon said he is so used to where Steve is gonna be.He has to learn Dre’s spacing.It won’t happen overnight.I’m sure there will be a learning curve
by DowntownVinnie on Oct 14, 2009 7:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Steve Blake does not credibly attack the basket.
Andre Miller can learn to stand where Steve Blake does. But is that what you want from your point guard? Or do you want a guy who can break down defenses and get the ball to your scorers with good opportunities?
Brandon has mastered the art of going it alone. Perhaps it is time for him to master the art of playing with others.
by Blazin' on Oct 14, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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