Monday Practice Report
Turn Back The Clock Night
It was a relatively quiet day at Blazers practice as the television stations were out in full force to get soundbytes in preparation for Wednesday's game against the Phoenix Suns that will be played in the Memorial Coliseum. It was a real head-scratcher watching reporters prodding 20-25 year old players who didn't grow up in Portland for their favorite Memorial Coliseum memories. I'm shocked Greg Oden wasn't sure if Clyde Drexler played in the arena. I'm amazed Brandon deferred questions about the MC to his father. I just can't believe Martell Webster isn't able to give us a 20 minute speech about this beautiful landmark. Most of the guys copped to never even being inside the building which led to some television anchor anguish. Gotta love it.
Nate McMillan, on the other hand, certainly remembers the Memorial Coliseum and he sounded genuinely excited to be "on the other sideline" this Wednesday. It's been an interesting transition for Mr. Sonic as he's adopted this Blazers franchise. To me, one of the best hidden gems in that interview yesterday was when Nate referred to the 1977 Blazers as "our championship team." For guys like Nate who have vivid memories of the Memorial Coliseum's heyday, Wednesday should be a treat. Personally I can't wait.
Juwan Howard
Juwan Howard got scratched on the head today (no stitches needed, he said after practice) which led to this rather hilarious picture.
Pick and Roll Defense
This is a holdover from yesterday's extended chat with Nate McMillan but it's pretty interesting. Dwight Jaynes asked Nate for his thoughts on the team's defensive progress. Nate stuck to his guns with his typical answer -- "We need to get better" -- but broke things down into a fair bit of depth when it comes to how the team will handle pick and rolls this season.
Essentially, Nate's base defensive schemes call for small forwards and power forwards to "show hard" when their man sets a pick for the guard. The idea is that everyone in this group -- Martell, Nic, Ime, Travis, LaMarcus, Howard, Cunningham -- has the physical tools (sufficient quickness and length) necessary to impede the ballhandler's dribbling progress until the guard gets through the pick completely, and then recover back.
On the other hand, Nate's schemes require centers to handle things in exactly the opposite way: centers (Oden, Przybilla) are expected to collapse off of the ballhandler. In Nate's words: their job is "dropping back and zoning up and corralling." The goal is to eliminate ticky-tack fouls by the big guys and keep them from getting stuck out on an island in unfavorable mismatches.
Here's where it gets tricky: if the Blazers decide to go with a smaller lineup -- using either LaMarcus Aldridge or Juwan Howard as their center -- which they very well might do, potentially even in late-game situations -- both those guys will be expected to play the pick-and-rolls as if they are 5s rather than 4s. In other words, LaMarcus and Juwan must be well-versed in both ways of handling the pick-and-roll and cognizant of what position they are playing at all times. Additionally, their guard teammates won't be able to rely solely on verbal cues to know how to play a pick and roll. For example, if Andre Miller or Brandon Roy hears LaMarcus shouting that a pick is coming left or right that won't be enough for him to know how LaMarcus will play it, he would also need to recognize whether LaMarcus is at the 4 or 5 spot at that moment. Of course, the Blazers have verbal play calls on defense to account for this, so assuming everyone is communicating properly, there shouldn't be any mix ups. But it's just another thing for the players to remember to talk about on defense and it's an extra responsibility for LMA and Howard to constantly remind themselves about.
McMillan acknowledged that this might cause some confusion for the casual observer but was fairly adamant that the Blazers do, in fact, stick pretty tightly to their defensive rules most of the time. "You may see Howard and LaMarcus [play it] different if they're at the 4 and the 5," Nate warned. But just because they play it differently doesn't necessarily mean that they are playing it inconsistently.
Dwight Jaynes was quick to raise the counter-approach to this philosophy: the Blazers players are not interchangeable parts at every position. Some guys are quicker, some are stronger, some might excel playing pick and rolls one way while others might favor a different approach. I love the idea of a long, quick, smart LaMarcus hard showing on small guards, making their lives difficult and blinding their passing lanes with his long arms as he recovers. Indeed, I wrote about that very thing earlier this summer. But do I like that setup for Travis? Would I fully trust his footwork and recognition? I'm not sure. Nate did acknowledge that players have different strengths but that the overall strength of the defense was increased by sticking to the team schemes that he believes in. Here are his full thoughts on the matter...
It doesn't make a difference who the guys are. They shouldn't be playing a guy different. Not in our schemes. We are going to play the pick and roll defense whether Blake or Miller is guarding the ball. We're going to play the pick and roll defense whether Joel or Greg is into it. Now Joel and LaMarcus play it different because they are 5 and 4. But all of our 4s play it the same as each other. It shouldn't make a difference the combination of players because we're not changing where we have 4 or 5 smalls in the game. That shouldn't change. We're going to shadow and pick up with Blake and Miller and Bayless.
Our 5s, we don't go out aggressive and send them out to hard show. Our 5s we drop them back and let them zone up. When LaMarcus is at the 5, he plays it as a 5 because our rules will allow him to defend it and we can help him if he plays it that way. You're dropping back and zoning up and we're corralling. We still want you up but you're not coming out.
LaMarcus and our fours should be able to jump out and show and that guard gets through. With the 5 man, we don't want him running out on these little guards. It's a different defense that our guys know. Our 3 and our 4 play the pick and roll the same way. They hard show. They don't automatically switch.
Pick and roll defense was one of the team's weakest points last season. Why? Because way too often the players "automatically switched." At the end of the day, there's no ideal, set-in-stone way to play the pick and roll. It depends on who is running it. It depends on your personnel defending it. And it depends on the match-up between the two sides. No scheme is perfect. But if Nate's defensive rules and the responsibilities that go with them can eliminate some of the lackadaisical defending everyone saw last year, I think he will be satisfied.
Jarron Collins Update
Through 3 pre-season games, J. Collins hasn't found much playing time. It's too bad, too, because he looks very much the NBA player in the practice gym. I asked Nate for his assessment of Collins up to this point and whether he'd seen enough of the Stanford grad in game action to render a verdict on the final roster spot. Here's Nate's assessment.
He's smart. He picks up things fairly quickly. We'll give [Udoka and Collins] an opportunity to play. But there are going to be 10 guys in rotation that I want to -- probably by that Denver game -- to start to play. Whether we have rotations with a starting or backup unit, I won't say that. But those 10 guys, I want to look and play them and not play 12, 13 guys [after the Denver game].
Collins knows how to play.
It's just the fact that he's over there in that video room with Greg so that he can talk. He knows what he's doing. He knows why he's here.
At that point, Nate gave kind of a longing look across the gym to the video room, where the two centers were sitting huddled around a monitor looking at game tape. I'm not sure if Nate's look meant, "What a great influence he is on Greg!" or "Man, I'd like to have that guy around all year but there's just no room." Either way, it was clear that Collins' pre-season contributions are appreciated by his Coach, even if his playing time doesn't reflect that at first glance.
Meanwhile, Ime Udoka was one of two players staying late at today's practice, getting in some extra jumpers.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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Good read
#10 Pryzbilla the Vanilla Gorilla
by Hookah_John on Oct 12, 2009 4:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Our PFs should watch some tape of Garnett. He is the best in the business at "showing hard" and recovering on the 4.
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
by Norsktroll on Oct 12, 2009 4:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not too worried about sticking to steadfast rules on pick and roll defense in terms of it being limiting.
Aldridge is clearly a different case from the rest of the team on P & R defence where the PF is often not nimble enough to out play Aldridge on cuts or jump shots. Small forwards setting the pick is different and while I like Batum’s length I don’t think it would cover both the ability to shoot and drive that most small forwards bring if he “showed hard”.
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by The Pirate on Oct 12, 2009 5:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
P&R defense: I don't get why you wouldn't
set P&R assignments by player rather then position. If your telling LA to collapse when his skill set allows you to “show hard” your not really using him to his to strength. It would simplify assignments and make more sense. Why needlessly introduce additional concepts?
Also, your telling me that if Notwitski, say plays center, and Aldridge guards him, LA is supposed to collapse into the lane on P&R’s? Uh, No.
I have a hard time thinking of a “scheme” defensively that would get interupted by switching it to “by player”. It’s not like your center can just hang out in the key anymore.
Keep It Simple
by zersrule on Oct 12, 2009 5:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because we have a very flexible roster...
That only works if you always plan to have your basic 5-4-3-2-1 out there at all times. If Nate wants to go small, he still wants the D to look the same, even if he has 4-3-3-2-1 out there.
Although, I agree, it’s easier if you always do the same thing, and I don’t like the idea of PG’s having to think about what a ‘pick right’ means based on a lineup…
I also don’t like Nate talking about his defensive schemes, but maybe that’s just me…
Blazers: RUN away with the title!
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by Visionary2 on Oct 12, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, the guy guarding the ball handler
needs to know what the screener’s man is going to do, regardless of who’s playing where. If LA is playing center and he shows hard, but Andre or Blake expects him to be dropping off, that’ll lead to problems.
As far as Nate discussing his schemes, it really doesn’t matter. After one game, any team’s scouts will be able to diagram up everything we do on offense and defense. The NBA is entirely about execution. Even the smartest players (and definitely the coaches) could compile something similar to what Iverigma did with a comprehensive breakdown of our offense. Nate can discuss our defensive schemes down to the minutiae, and it still wouldn’t matter as long as we executed them perfectly.
by Royster on Oct 12, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Collins ... Ime ...
Ime or Collins
Ime or Collins
I got mad love for one
and feel the greater need for the other
Didn’t Shakespeare write something about this?
"Is it always like this?" Collins said after the scrimmage. "It was like the first game of the NBA playoffs or something."
by Y5k on Oct 12, 2009 6:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Collins
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Oct 12, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Collins
We need more depth at the bigs.
Keeping Ime would say that a local PR move is more valuable than a backup big.
I don’t agree.
Blazers: RUN away with the title!
KP: Please don't trade the next decade's Scottie Pippen (Batum), Spanish Larry Bird (Rudy), Bill Russell (GO) or Captain BRoy - at least until they 3-peat..
by Visionary2 on Oct 12, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Collins
One way to look at it is Collins as the successor to Joel when Joel’s contract runs out.
Another way to look at it is keeping the roster somewhat balanced, especially given the history of injuries for Joel and Greg (yes, Joel did play in all 82 games last year but it was a first).
put a body on 'em
by RayBourque on Oct 12, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or as a backup option if Joel were traded
Don’t be me wrong – I like Joel a lot – but it is good to keep your options open.
put a body on 'em
by RayBourque on Oct 12, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oden and Pryz in the game
can never happen again with this new P&R defense. One of those guys is supposed to show hard and recover?
Maybe not a big deal, but the option is no longer there.
by zersrule on Oct 12, 2009 6:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Greg could do that by the end of the season, maybe
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 13, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that a different scheme for pick and roll defense than they had last year?
It seemed like last year Oden (but not Przybilla) was also supposed to “show hard”, which didn’t work out that well and ended up contributing to his foul trouble.
by trk on Oct 12, 2009 7:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Correct, this is different
I thought it was dumb at the time, and that Nate was stretching Oden (literally) too thin by asking him to do anything but take up a lot of space underneath…. Like this idea a LOT better.
Blazers: RUN away with the title!
KP: Please don't trade the next decade's Scottie Pippen (Batum), Spanish Larry Bird (Rudy), Bill Russell (GO) or Captain BRoy - at least until they 3-peat..
by Visionary2 on Oct 12, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Base Defense
Ben called this the Blazers’ “base defensive scheme.” That implies that sometimes they’ll do it different ways, depending on the situation. I would imagine that Nate will get everyone comfortable with the new system, and then start adding some wrinkles depending on the opponent, and maybe even on the Blazer personnel in the game.
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
by pualo on Oct 12, 2009 7:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Because if the opponent knows exactly how you are going to defend, they will be able to exploit it. You always give up something on the pick and roll. You want it to be something that the opponent isn’t able to effectively exploit, and different looks can create that brief hesitation which gives you time to recover.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 13, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juwan plays again in Memorial Coliseum
We need to hear from Juwan what it is like to play again in Mem Coliseum. He was a rookie the last year it was used by the Blazers (1994-95). According to ESPN he played in 65 games as a rookie so the odds are he played against the Blazers when the Bullets – errr Wizards – were here.
put a body on 'em
by RayBourque on Oct 12, 2009 10:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Washington Bullets, until May 1997.
put a body on 'em
by RayBourque on Oct 12, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juwan didn't play in Mem Coliseum - DNP that game
During the 1994 – 95 season Howard played against the Blazers when they played in DC but not when they played in Portland.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howarju01/gamelog/1995/
And game box score in Portland (how did Washington get both Chris Webber and Juwan Howard?!?).
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199503210POR.html
The beginning of the fallow, mid-90’s for the Blazers . . . no Clyde or Terry but at least no JR yet either.
put a body on 'em
by RayBourque on Oct 12, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how did Washington get both Chris Webber and Juwan Howard?
they had Rasheed, too
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by two4larue on Oct 13, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slight OT here...
But, thanks for the link to the Sonicsgate film in the Full Court Press. I am currently in the middle of part 2, and am loving the fact that my 2 favorite owners (1. Paul Allen, and 2. Mark Cuban [Only because I had a conversation with him, and he autographed my ticket, plus he’s a crazy S.O.B.]) were the only 2 owners to vote against the Sonics move.
Although their motives were probably different, Allen voting no because he loves the Pacific Northwest, and Cuban voting no because he hates everyone, I still love the fact that they stood against the wave in an effort to save our beloved Green n’ Red games.
News from a while back, that I had never heard, yet makes me a happy man today. Oh, and nice report today, too. : )
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by Jeremiah S on Oct 12, 2009 10:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed - gotta respect them for that
put a body on 'em
by RayBourque on Oct 12, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its great to know the Blazers schemes
But should Nate be detailing them in the media in the pre-season? I mean, shouldn’t we at least make our opponents have to watch tape to figure it out? You know how the Patriots won all those super bowls? They never talked to anybody about any of their schemes. This is different but…just wondering, are these common things for coaches to be laying out to the media?
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by courtsideerrandboy on Oct 12, 2009 10:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it will make any difference
Its all in the execution
by Jaedin on Oct 13, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does make a difference
If they know you are going to show hard, they can do a pick and slip. If they know you are going to collapse off, they can send their three point shooters around a high screen, and they’ll be open. Etc, etc.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 13, 2009 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can figure the same thing out watching 10 minutes of game film
Coaches and scouts are smart people, this isn’t rocket science here.
by Royster on Oct 13, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
That’s why you vary it. You can’t defend the same on every pick, or you get destroyed.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 13, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's why Nate can talk about it all he wants
which was the point jaedin was making. No matter how the pick is played, it will have a team reaction to prevent wide open high % shots as long as the team executes the defensive scheme better than the offense executes their set, so Nate can hold a seminar for opposing coaches for all I care.
by Royster on Oct 13, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
There’s really no secrets. There are no magical ways to defend, everyone knows all the tricks. It is just about reacting, obscuring what you are doing, mixing it up, and trying to confuse the man with the ball enough to gain time to get back into defensive position.
And then, he pops in a shot or takes you to the hoop, anyway. You’ll never shut down a legit NBA team.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
by jscot on Oct 14, 2009 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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