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He (Andre) Said, He (Nate) Said Audio. You Decide.

Since Andre Miller's interview with  Marc Spears of Yahoo! Sports there's been a lot of discussion about what Nate did or didn't tell Andre over dinner in Vegas. While there's no audio recording of that dinner, there is audio of both Nate and Andre from July 28, the day before Andre came to Portland for his first press conference. This is the first time either of them spoke about their now infamous dinner conversations. So now you can hear both of them address the issue of who would start at point guard.

First however, let's look closely at what Marc Spears wrote (Link to Oct 10 article):

“If I was told right out when I had my meetings that I would be a backup, then I wouldn’t have come here,” Miller told Yahoo! Sports this week."

Obviously he came here. So what did Miller mean?

a) Did he mean Nate promised him the starting spot, else he wouldn't have come here? If so, then this is a complaint that Nate mislead him into thinking the starting spot was his.

b) Or did he mean that he wouldn't have come here if he had been told that he would definitely be a backup, and not have a chance to compete for the starting spot. If that is what he meant, there's nothing wrong with a player of Miller's stature not wanting to go to a team where the starting spot was "locked up" for another guy.

So is Miller complaining that he was promised the starting spot, or simply stating that he was promised the chance to compete for the starting spot? If the latter, there is no conflict here, unless Miller's claiming that he isn't getting a real chance to compete? (He started on Friday so that makes little sense.)  You decide.

But then Spears wrote:

McMillan has said he told Miller during their summer meeting in Las Vegas that he very well might make him a reserve. Miller doesn’t remember the meeting quite the same way.

There are no quotations here from Miller or Nate.  So what does Spears mean:

c) that Nate said he told Miller in Vegas the starting spot was up for competition, but Miller claims it was promised to him?

or

d) that Nate said he told Miller in Vegas the starting spot was locked up for Blake, but Miller believes Nate told him it was up for competition?

Interpretation c) goes with interpretation a) above. This is the negative way to view the article - Miller claiming he was promised the starting spot to come to Portland. Does that make sense? Remember that Miller had no other offers except to return to Philly on a one year contract, or to try to get a one year deal with NY (NY wouldn't sign anyone, not even David Lee, to more than a one year contract). No one else that had cap space wanted him. (Miller said that himself in another Oregonian article.) So it was Miller begging Portland for a $7M deal longer than one year. Nate didn't need to mislead Miller to convince him to come here.

Interpretation d) goes with interpretation b) above if Spears uses Nate's statements about Blake starting to mean Blake starts the regular season without Miller getting a chance to compete. Is that what Nate meant? Or is Spears just using that narrow interpretation of Nate's words to create apparent conflict between Nate and Miller? You decide.

So now let's go to the Audio Tapes ....

This article (Link) by OregonLive.com's Sean Meagher contains 3 audio recordings of Miller and Nate.

First, there's Miller on the Bald-Faced Truth with John Canzano:     

Canzano:  “Do you expect to start – have that given to you. Or do you go into camp saying I go to earn this job?

Andre: Nothing is given. You’re going to always have to earn it ... My expectation is to go in and compete for a starting job.

Clearly on July 28 Andre is not saying he was promised the starting job. That would seem to rule out the negative interpretations a) and c) above.

So next, did Nate say the starting job was Blake's unconditionally for the regular season, or did he say it was Blake's to start the preseason and it would be open for competition?

Here's Nate on Trail Blazers Courtside:

 

Barrett: A lot of people have assumed that Miller will come in and start. … Did you guys discuss with Andre at the Dinner … is Miller a guy - who the people assuming he's going to start - are they correct?

Nate: No, they’re not. I talked to Andre about that. …. Steve Blake started last year.  Our starting unit last year won 54 games. We’re not going to mess with that starting unit at the beginning. We will start out the same way with Brandon and Steve as our guards, and bring Andre and Rudy as the guards off the bench.

So Nate says he told Andre at the Dinner that Blake would start. Clearly then, Nate would dispute that he promised Andre the starting job. But it's not clear in this audio if Nate meant that Blake would start the preseason or the regular season when he said "at the beginning". 

So we go to the last tape of McMillan on Wheels at Work:

 

Wheels: Will you look at combinations and decide maybe which unit each guy fits in best with?

Nate: Well, I will look at combinations. But I talked to Andre about that. … I talked to him about coming off the bench and playing in that role. … That will take care of itself once we get into camp. But right now Blake is our starting point guard. Andre, I talked to him about that and he was fine with coming in and just doing whatever is needed to make the club better.

Again, Nate says that Blake is the starter, and he talked to Andre about coming off the bench and Andre was fine with it. So clearly Nate would dispute any suggestion that Andre was promised a starting job to come to Portland. But Nate says "that will take care of itself once we get into camp". Did he mean the starting spot for the regular season was open for competition during training camp?

It seems to me this is a lot to do about nothing, and perhaps this post is just more to do about nothing. But I thought it useful to break down the statements from Spears article and to present the most relevant audio clips I could find. I don't think Miller is claiming he was promised the starting spot, and I don't see how he could feel that he is being denied a chance to earn the starting spot. The audio certainly supports the former and the fact he started the last preseason game refutes the latter. This "controversy" appears to be more a result of how Spears wrote the article, than what Andre actually said.

Why he chose to talk to Spears at all is another matter. If as he said today, he was trying to put forth his side in the media it looks to me like it backfired and Spears didn't do him any favors.

 

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Nice breakdown
"If I was told right out when I had my meetings that I would be a backup, then I wouldn’t have come here," Miller told Yahoo! Sports this week."

Here’s the key statement from Andre. All Andre is saying is that he expected to have a chance to compete for the job. His other statements indicate he was very confident he would win it. But if he had been told he was definitively going to be a backup, that he wouldn’t be able to compete for it, he wouldn’t have come. That’s all. A reasonable statement, and not in the least in conflict with Nate’s philosophy.

Nate: Well, I will look at combinations. But I talked to Andre about that. … I talked to him about coming off the bench and playing in that role. … That will take care of itself once we get into camp.

Key comment from Nate. Andre will come off the bench and play in that role going into camp, but it will take care of itself in camp. Steve’s job, Andre has to take it.

End of story.

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 12, 2009 5:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

You win.

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 13, 2009 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He wins, end of story.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Oct 14, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

media

I wonder how much of this is a media problem as opposed to an Andre Miller problem? What’s wrong with a free agent acquisition wanting to play? As those of us who suffered through the Jail Blazers teams can testify, things can be a lot worse.

Sure the Vegas conversation and the endurance test comments are puzzling, but it’s important to remember that as fans our access to the team is largely through the media. It’s possible that a player can like his coaches, teammates, and even the fans, but dislike the media, especially if they’ve burned him in the past. This can create a skewed perspective.

I hope no one in the media continues to try and make this story more than it is. It’s starting to remind me of a few years back when Quick created some drama by squeezing some less than flattering comments out of Roy about Oden.

Sometimes the Oregonian needs to remember that they are to report the news, not try and create the news.

"He's not your Vydas or my Vydas, he's Arvydas."

by Petro4Three on Oct 12, 2009 5:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for this

This is what I hoped someone would do

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Oct 12, 2009 9:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is really neither here nor there

I have read a couple of times Nate saying things like:

Our starting unit last year won 54 games. We’re not going to mess with that starting unit at the beginning.

So, just out of curiosity I looked at our record from last year and tallied the number of wins we had with the starting lineup of Steve, Brandon, Nic, LaMarcus, and Joel. The total is 26 wins, not 54.

I don’t know why this irks me so, I think part of it is that Nate (and others) keep stressing that it’s not who starts that is important and then turn around and say (albeit indirectly) that these five guys were responsible for all of our success last season.

Dude!, what's wrong with you? Why you gotta be holding a corn dog when I go for a high-five??

by 1badbadger on Oct 12, 2009 9:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

All he is saying is that ....

…..these players (all of them..not just the starters) ….in these roles….produced the best record we have seen in nearly a decade and he will not just change this up without a compelling reason. I suspect that this reason will show up before opening night (Oden’s improvement and Miller’s play in general), but I think Nate is right on to fairly evaluate each of the lineups during preseason to help him make this decision

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Oct 12, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec

I agree that this whole Miller thing is most likely much to do about nothing – other than Miller stepping on his crank.

However I would disagree with the statement that your post is just more about nothing. A nice summary of the situation, in my opinion.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Oct 12, 2009 10:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Marc Spears will be on Wheels at Work during the 2:00 hour.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Oct 12, 2009 1:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Miller, Roy, Blake, and Nate obviously...

Just need to sit down and share a Canzano calzone.

by tmundal on Oct 12, 2009 2:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I just listened to Spears on "Wheels"

Spears sounded like Miller’s agent. It’s easy to understand now why Miller talked to Spears, but I still think he was poorly served by the Spears article.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Oct 12, 2009 2:38 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I heard it too

He definitely had on his Miller’s friend hat and not his reporter hat. Reading the article knowing that, puts it in a new light.

I sure wish his attitude was more of “I’m going to win the starting job,” instead of, “I should be the starter.”

by tominhawaii on Oct 13, 2009 3:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Had any of us been at that dinner in Vegas, I’m sure we would not have been surprised at the conversation making common sense. Andre probably asked about the possibilities and Nate probably answered about the opportunities without giving promises. As a person who has occasionally hired folks, that’s been my general method.

My take is that this feels like the Sergio playing time controversy. If you want Andre to start, Nate made a mistake. If you want Blake to start or if you are neutral, Nate is handling it correctly. This all leads to how one reads into the articles. It’s call bias.

And to nitpick over whether the position will be settled by the beginning of the preseason or the beginning of the regular season really means nothing to me. The season’s plenty long without worrying over that.

by Interested on Oct 12, 2009 5:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Nate is creating these perceived roadblocks for Andre as a sign of faith that Andre will run right through them. After that, when Andre is standing tall and starting games for us, no one can doubt that he earned it. It sends the message that much more clearly to the rest of the team if the deck seemed stacked against Miller.

by LOM on Oct 12, 2009 9:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting point

Blazers: RUN away with the title!

KP: Please don't trade the next decade's Scottie Pippen (Batum), Spanish Larry Bird (Rudy), Bill Russell (GO) or Captain BRoy - at least until they 3-peat..

by Visionary2 on Oct 12, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that is part of it, actually

But I think there is a message being sent to Andre, too. This isn’t your team. Just because you are a vet and a very good player doesn’t mean you run the show here.

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 13, 2009 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

doesn’t mean you run the show here

but hey, we do want your experience/input, and your heart and soul focused completely the project

When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Oct 13, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

I think when he said, back in the summer, after he was signed, that he was the starter, that it came time to send a message.

Bring us your heart, soul, brain, input, but get on message, because it’s about the team, not about you.

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 13, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice summary.

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by timbo on Oct 12, 2009 9:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

if this is all about NOT hurting Steve's feel bads then I'd say tell the ninny sissy that he's a back up and there's no way he can prove himself out of it. (blake not Miller)

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."

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by faith on Oct 13, 2009 5:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They don't do this in other cities do they?

Andre if you are reading this, that idiot that yelled for you to sit with the team isn’t indicative of all Blazer fans

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Oct 13, 2009 7:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nah, they don't really care...

"I play, Coach stays. He goes, I go." - Jimmy Chitwood

by DucRider on Oct 13, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay...I'm officially tired of this subject....

He came here to play and to win and that’s enough for me and as long as he doesn’t start buying crack under the Burnside Bridge or crap like that, I’m happy. This is all the media’s fault…..

by jenstcy on Oct 13, 2009 5:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you thank you thank you. Super-rec.

That is all.

You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.

by austinpwnz on Oct 14, 2009 4:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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