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What Difference Does Culture Make?

One of the most intense debates this pre-season can pretty much be summed up in a single question:

How much difference does culture really make?

The locus of the issue so far has been Andre Miller's meshing with the team, which somehow has mushroomed into a Nate McMillan-Kevin Pritchard-Steve Blake--Oregonian-National Media-Society At Large maelstrom.  I'll restate succinctly here what I stated in my earlier post.  I don't get the hubbub.  Do people think the Blazers are the only team in the universe dealing with the issue of playing time and trying to fit many people, all of whom believe they are deserving, into few spots?  Nate McMillan is hardly the first coach to deal with an eager, talented, protective, perhaps headstrong, perhaps disgruntled player.  That list would include...let's see...every coach in existence.  I guarantee you there are six thousand guys out there coaching fourth graders dealing with angry agents...errrrr...parents who firmly believe their clients/children should be in the starting lineup and are threatening mayhem unless that's accomplished.   I'd bet every team in the NBA is going through this drama at some position.  It just seems a little odder and more pressing in Portland because:

A.  The Blazers haven't had a hint of it (publicly) in the last few years.

B.  The last time the Blazers did have a hint of it the franchise fell into disaster.

C.  The team is on the cusp of some really nice seasons and has plenty to lose if things don't turn out well.

Portland has pretty much the perfect storm to make whatever controversy exists here seem more controversial.  And that's exactly what's happening.  In reality it will all get resolved by mid-December or somebody will get smacked down, the system will get shaken up, and everybody will reset and soldier on.  So be it.

The greater issue coming out here is the misunderstanding of the importance and significance of culture itself.  One can hardly blame the Blazer faithful for valuing it highly.  It was the lantern that lit the way out of the pit, held steadily in the hands of our Guide GM and Head Coach.  Without it we would still be lost in the dark maze of a bygone era, or so it seems.  But even to the extent that the analogy holds true, as one approaches the surface and sunlight the lantern light becomes less critical.  It's still valuable both as a reminder and as a safeguard against the lights going out again.  You wouldn't want to be without it.  But watching the light swing back and forth doesn't produce the same shadows it once did nor need it produce the same fear.  In fact if the lantern isn't moving, as rattling of an experience as that can be to those who have experienced the darkness, neither are you.  And if you're not moving the light has lost its purpose.

Culture does make a difference in the NBA.  But the difference is not that between absolute success and failure.  Rather culture focuses and maximizes your success.  Culture cannot in itself make a bad team into a good one.  Show me a team that's lacking in talent but full of great guys who listen, cooperate, socialize together, and are brilliant with the media and I will show you a team that might win 22 games instead of 18.  Similarly, except in the most bone-jarring train-wreck circumstances, holes in the culture will not turn a good team into a horrible one.  Talent comes first in this league.  Culture hones talent.  The Blazers are still a talented team.  The Blazers will do well this season.  End of story.

The point at which culture becomes most critical is the ultimate point at which all great teams aim:  the championship.  The league is full of talented teams.  It's hard to run roughshod over all comers.  Somewhere you have to find unity of purpose, self-sacrifice, and communal belief that give you the edge when another team's talent approaches yours.  Most championships aren't claimed by teams who netted 70 wins and steamrolled the opposition.  They're won by teams who eked out the extra 3-4 wins needed to emerge victorious that season.  There's your culture.

It's quite possible--in fact it's overwhelmingly likely--that the Blazers could garner 3-4 extra wins this year from pristine culture and still not ascend to the summit.  Though expectations for some kind of advancement are strong to the point of being immutable, the reality is the Blazers still have another year to work out the final kinks--in roster and chemistry alike--before the prime-time lights hit.  That's plenty of time to resolve anything that needs adjustment...if anything really does.

It's more likely that the Blazers' culture quotient has been unnaturally high the last couple years, when basically nobody significant made waves and every player of note was either media-friendly or a rookie.  It was fantastic to behold, but one wonders about the utility gained from the 91-99% tier of culture aptitude.  Perhaps one or more players who needed (or still need) to be added to the mix might bring the level down a little especially in areas (like media relations) that are a wonderful bonus but not strictly integral to on-court success.  Maybe waves need to be made.  Maybe the locker room needs to get feisty and competitive.  Maybe this needs to be more of a job and a battle sometimes.  Losing a little of the shiny veneer doesn't mean the foundation disintegrates as well.

I am not disagreeing with the mantra we've heard throughout the Pritchard years.  Culture is important.  But it's also important to understand how, why, and in what specific ways.  Most critical of all is the understanding that culture doesn't equate to lack of controversy.  Culture turns controversy towards productive ends.  You have culture precisely so you can endure and grow from (very common) situations like this.  

If one guy pushing the boundaries destroys the Blazers' culture then what they had wasn't culture in the first place.  If the organizational culture is as strong as advertised then whatever sparks are flying right now will just end up making the bonfire bigger in the end.  If this is the worst test the Blazers will go through in the next couple seasons they should count themselves lucky.  The farther along you progress on road to greatness the bigger the pitfalls become.  That's why it's not the road to "everybody gets there".

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com

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This is awesome. Anyways, “Nate McMillan is hardly the first coach to deal with an eager, talented, protective, perhaps headstrong, perhaps disgruntled player. That list would include…let’s see…every coach in existence.” is a great line. I agree 100%.

I’m actually rooting for AM. I’ve been talking him up to everyone I know.

by TrailBlazerChief on Oct 12, 2009 12:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed

on both points…

I think it’s impossible to assemble this much talent and not ruffle some feathers. And my armchair coaching aside I believe Nate is up to the task. Regardless IMHO once this team gels they should be pretty horrifying…

"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"

by Eat Politicians on Oct 12, 2009 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If one guy pushing the boundaries destroys the Blazers’ culture then what they had wasn’t culture in the first place.

Well said. I think that gets lost in translation sometimes so I wanted to re-emphasize it in the comments.

I think the hardest thing for fans to accept is that we don’t have any answers right now, and won’t have any useful results for months to come. Speculation breeds more speculation in the meantime. As Tom Petty once said, “The waiting is the hardest part”.

Also, thanks for the well written and thought-out article, Dave. Your writing is what makes this site unique. Also, thanks for not stepping on the gas pedal of the Outrage Machine.

by Timmay! on Oct 12, 2009 12:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Just finished listening to the Outrage Machine's second album

what a great band

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Oct 12, 2009 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

their 4th album — “headless chickens running circles” — was a masterpiece

by Ben. on Oct 12, 2009 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

What about their single “OMG OMG OMG No! No! What!? What? Are You—What??!” That one remains my favorite to this day. It’s in my iPod.

by chickenmelt on Oct 12, 2009 3:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The drama has gotten a little out of hand

We have a good team,we are not the only good team,this season will be fun. If you are not having fun you might consider talking to one of our counselers.

by southern oregon on Oct 12, 2009 12:44 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Needs some defining terms

Appreciate the thoughtful, rational, realistic notes about the latest drama that has been blown up in our Blazers world. I think you’re right on, Dave.

But I do wonder about the word “culture” in this context. You seem to be using it synonymously with “chemistry,” but I assume you mean that culture is deeper and and more foundational than chemistry. I might suggest that culture doesn’t change with one player, and it doesn’t change in one season. Chemistry—cliché as that word is—does change from season to season, month to month.

Anyway, again, I appreciate your thoughts and basically agree. But I’m interested in defining our terms a little bit here, because, well, some Andre-Steve-Nate thing like we’re seeing doesn’t threaten the culture of the Portland Trail Blazers, merely team comfort level, flow, and, well, chemistry.

by travis13 on Oct 12, 2009 12:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it'll do a thing to chemistry on the court

beyond what the individual skills of the players would indicate. In other words I believe that Andre Miller will provide a different offensive look as a driving point guard than Steve Blake who is primarily a shooter. I believe Andre’s tendencies could affect Brandon Roy’s game, perhaps making Roy either less effective or less comfortable at least in the short run. However I don’t believe any of that will have to do with personality or respect or any of the things being batted about currently.

—Dave

by Dave on Oct 12, 2009 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could be wrong to assume here, but what I glean from these comments is you value on-court ...

chemistry — hence the comment about how you “believe Andre’s tendencies could affect Brandon Roy’s game, perhaps making Roy either less effective or less comfortable at least in the short run” — conversely, by writing you “don’t believe any of that will have to do with personality or respect or any of the things being batted about currently,” you’re remarking about how off-court chemistry (i.e., culture) is overhyped nonsense and has no tangible impact regarding production out there on the hardwood.

If so, then kudos to you. If not, my reading comprehension skills are in desperate need of fine tuning.

Stupid people have stupid ideas.

by AK1984 on Oct 12, 2009 3:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I asked a question.

I asked a question on Barrett’s blog to a poster named Travis, I don’t know if he and Travis13 are one and the same, but he more or less said that although Andre is important to the Blazers they could bench him for the season and the wins would go on. Culture wasn’t mentioned nor was chemistry, but it was implied and that was good enough to settle my ruffled feathers.

I have always believed that adversity is needed to make the team tough and closely bonded and that wins championships, but my thinking was always on the court adversities, like losing a game we had won or our star player missing a week for a child birth, oops an injury. I had never thought of it in the way of culture adversities until Travis the blogger comment on Mike’s blog

hg

by BBK on Oct 12, 2009 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

different Travis

hg (BBK) — Wasn’t me on Barrett’s blog. I don’t get there very often. You’ll find me on the Oregonian and here as Travis13. If you end up seeing this message, drop by my blog and get in touch some time: www.couriernewculture.blogspot.com

Cheers.

by travis13 on Oct 16, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sort of

I would say that off-court chemistry CAN affect on-court production but in the case of Miller (and the strong players he’s surrounded with) it WON’T…unless the story becomes far more serious and pervasive than we’ve heard. Another of the ways in which this stuff can trickle down on the court is its reflection on the coach and the relationship of the players with him. I don’t see Nate getting knocked too far off center from any of this either.

However culture (which is not just defined as getting along with each other but as the overarching ethical framework which provides a common vision to the team which supercedes any tendencies not to get along) is important to on-court production in the sense that it helps/trains players to get beyond self-centerednes and/or provides the groundwork for ditching players who can’t. It’s critical to play basketball with an agenda beyond one’s own good.

If you’re asking whether I care if Player A likes Player B, I would say it doesn’t matter unless Player B is the type of person who has to be liked in order to produce. Teams have gotten along fine with players who didn’t come together much outside of the locker room and court.

—Dave

by Dave on Oct 12, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Basketball is like anything else

You don’t have to like someone else to be able to work effectively with them.

You do have to be professional enough to ignore personal struggles/personality issues sometimes.

Some people work better if they like their co-workers. Optimally it wouldn’t be like that, but that’s life.

Sometimes out-of-work conflict and personality issues do hinder a good working relationship. It shouldn’t be like that, but that’s life. If you are in that situation, buck up and be a professional.

It IS nice if you get along well with your co-workers, especially if your job requires a lot of travel together. It’s a bonus, and in some cases it can even help you accomplish some things together. Most of the time, it doesn’t increase your effectiveness in working together, but it sure is more pleasant, and happier workers are usually more productive. No direct impact, more an indirect one, and it is rarely a major impact.

Amazing how often basketball is just like normal life, isn’t it?

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 12, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting, that's all very assuring, but...

But what happens if LMA doesn’t get signed, Oden breaks his knees in half, B-Roy’s last three years were just a fluke and he plays like the last two games, Rudy dies during childbirth, Batum is killed in a hang glider accident, Bayless goes extinct during the next ice age, Pryzbilla has his hands chopped off in a cheese slicer (he’s from Wisconsin after all), Martell Webster gets caught in a bear trap, Travis Outlaw’s appendix explodes, Blake tries to dunk and the rest of the team is mauled by mutant, rabid wolverines that escaped from a mental institution. Huh?

What then smart guy?

"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"

by Eat Politicians on Oct 12, 2009 1:18 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Find a new team

Find a new team with the same culture of team first mentality, and let the chemistry develop and the culture goes on.

Family culture doesn’t end because one member dies, or one member goes to jail for bootlegging. New off-springs become adults and pick up the harness and keep right on pulling without conceivably missing a step.

Of course if the new member is pulling different or more to the side, the rest of the culture may lose some of the comfort they were use to but the beat goes on.

hg

by BBK on Oct 12, 2009 6:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The voice of reason comes through once again

Good write up Dave. The only thing that really has me on alert is LMA’s contract situation – whereas there was a .0001% chance of Brandon’s negotiations going bad, LMA is more in the 5-10% range. Not likely, but not so insignificant you can write it off. I think that was a big reason for the Millsap pursuit/Lee rumors – KP wanted a hedge. Given that Aldridge is unquestionably part of the “Big 3” the current franchise is built on, but probably wants more $ than the front office believes a very good, but non All-Star (as of yet) player is worth, I could see this causing actual problems (as opposed to the Miller “drama”, which will carry us through this week, tops), especially is LMA feels like he’s being marginalized from #2 to #3 if Oden takes a more prominent role (although I think GO is still one year away from being a true force offensively, or at least for him what will be his offensive ceiling).

I hate Comcast.

by blazeraddict on Oct 12, 2009 1:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

even a couple of years on G.O.

This year will be fun to watch, but he is definitely still on the upside arc. Bayno did one heck of job helping Oden this summer…props to him for sure…

"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"

by Eat Politicians on Oct 12, 2009 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

With the jump hook and his ability to hit the glass I think he’s a 14 ppg guy this year, which is great for a 2nd year center. I’d love to see him eventually (2-3 years down the line) work in a lefty hook and drop step, then he’d be unstoppable. Of course, all the offensive talk shouldn’t overshadow what he does defensively/on the glass, where he’s already in the top tier of the league.

I hate Comcast.

by blazeraddict on Oct 12, 2009 2:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

His left hook might be better than his righty

And he’s done the drop step a few times in pre-season.

He’ll get points just from his rebounding and sheer size, so whatever skill he adds on top of it will only help. And if he can keep hitting around 70+% from the line, then there will no good answer to dealing with him.

I think last season, with how raw he was, if he have somehow stayed on the court for around 30 minutes, he’d average 12 points or so a game. This year, it again all depends on whether he can stay on the court. If he doesn’t have constant foul trouble (periodic foul trouble happens to every big, and I doubt his foul problems have completely left him just yet), he will play, and if he plays, points just pile up for him— for a no offense raw dude, anyways.

Oden in 3 years will be awesome.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Oct 12, 2009 3:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup
Oden in 3 years will be awesome.

I wish the games were on TV, but I’m happy that you’re so high on the lefty hook. The Clips game wasn’t his best performance, but from Wheels’ tone, it sounded like the whole team was bad.

Like you said, Greg’s size/athleticism right now make him a handful – if he can develop a 2-3 move offensive game (and he’s well on his way there) he’s a 20-10 guy for the next decade. Heck, the way he hits the boards, I’d say 20-15 is a possibility, though Portland has such a balanced offense he’ll probably never need to average 20 for the Blazers to accomplish want they are after (rings, riings, my precious – cue Gollum)

I hate Comcast.

by blazeraddict on Oct 12, 2009 3:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I base my lefty hook praise

Not on the Clips game, but from last season, the practice footage we’ve seen, and highlights. Could just be seeing it at the right times, but either way your point remains— be able to get the hook down with either hand will help a lot.

He’s got some nice moves now, so the next step is learning when to make the reads to pick a move and counter move. In the Clips game, he was making bad reads and forcing up bad shots or trying to get bailed out with a foul call (he didn’t get the whistle). That too will come with time and experience, and is more important than the moves themselves.

Well, some moves are unstoppable if done right. Drop step, quick spin (it’s cool how quick his spin is, especially with how slow he was last season), hook shot once you got good position… so he’s well on his way.

I agree, he’ll be a 20/10+ player in a few years, with the only reason he might not be is the amount of offensive players we have causing NO ONE to be a big scorer. With how efficient he is already, I imagine he’ll be very dangerous offensively once he actually gets going.

Morty

by Mortimer on Oct 12, 2009 4:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Putting all the adversities of Andre aside. If Greg is playing with Andre his offensive production will increase, but if he is not he will still be able to score high with just offensive rebounds put backs.

If he plays with BRoy and LMA he won’t be as big of an offensive threat because they don’t pass to him. I believe he will be enough to stop the opponents from leaving Greg and doubling on LMA.

He may not get as many touches, but he will still be unstoppable.

hg

by BBK on Oct 12, 2009 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Expect Brandon especially to be passing to Greg more

Andre has been emphasizing it, Juwan has been emphasizing it, you can bet Nate has been.

That’s the future, Brandon, LMA, Greg. They have to work together, or there will be no championship.

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 12, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

That's great, but

Brandon hasn’t yet shown he’s nearly as good at passing as he is at nearly everything else. He’s got the physical skills to do it, sure, but it seems to require a sort of spatial awareness that he has not demonstrated. I’ll be very happy to be proven wrong, though.

by ShelbyC on Oct 12, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hence Miller

Now if we can just get those two to play nice together…

"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"

by Eat Politicians on Oct 12, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I sure hope you're right jscot

I agree.

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is easy to get pessimistic about LMA

but the reality is that there is no need to extend him before the deadline. LMA will be a restricted free agent, and completely under the Blazer’s control. If the Blazers do not feel he is a max player, and LMA wants max money – the Blazers have the option of letting the league at large serve as the contract arbitrator.

LMA’s only options are to extend on the Blazer terms; sign a Blazer tender; sign an offer sheet and watch the Blazers match.

by blacknoiseNW on Oct 12, 2009 2:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're probably right

It’s like Dave’s point above, I’m so not used to this team having potential free agents that, as a fan, I actually want to see stay, even normal negotiating puffery has me immediately thinking of the absolute worst case scenario. Note to self: exhale…

I hate Comcast.

by blazeraddict on Oct 12, 2009 3:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know we hold the power in this situation

But I think some players play better when they got a deal to earn, and some play better when they know they are taken care of.

I think LMA is the second sort of player. I think he’d do better without worrying about an injury or stats or whatever.

Morty

by Mortimer on Oct 12, 2009 3:29 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

agreed

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 12, 2009 5:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Oct 12, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey! I said that first!

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 12, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed?

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 12, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares what's behind the kilt, what's under it?

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Oct 12, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh! do you ever stop?

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why should she be different from all the other women?

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 12, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

smh

…just wanted to use that, since I was finally clued in on what that means

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Oct 12, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can sign the qualifying offer and become an Unrestricted Free Agent after next year.

Although unlikely, that is his option and there is nothing we could do to stop it. That is why we need to extend him before the deadline, so he doesn’t have a reason to consider that option.

No matter how many times Mike Barrett says the worst case is that we can match any offer he gets next summer, it isn’t true. The worst case is he plays next year under the qualifying offer and then walks away for nothing.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Oct 12, 2009 5:07 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

No big deal

I haven’t seen anything to make me think there’s a real problem. Everybody wants to be a starter – how unusual is that?

 We’re all anxious for the regular season to start, and tend to over-analyze every little thing for want of anything else to talk about. I’m just glad there aren’t any big problems to talk about. No mutant, rabid wolverines in sight…

by greenknight on Oct 12, 2009 2:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

blessing in disguise

not only will this manufactured drama not district the players ON the court, I’ll bet it focuses these players to prove that it doesn’t matter…

That said, I’ll invoke the specter of a certain F@ker and remind all that winning cures all grumpiness.

The only problem in Portland is that the winning really hasn’t happened because or in spite of culture – so no one knows the effect that a Miller-type beef will have – although we should. It will have the same effect that Sergio’s complaining had.

by blacknoiseNW on Oct 12, 2009 2:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How about

We just go with the Culture of Winning? Sometimes the local media accidently write their story for the 1999 Blazers instead of the 2009 team.

If we won 24 games last year there’d be room to debate starting positions, player vs. coach tension, locker room chemistry, team ‘culture’, etc. The truth is THIS team is beyond that stuff and even the biggest off-court stories are pretty minor and won’t have a real impact on the team once they hit the court.

by JonathanPDX on Oct 12, 2009 3:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said, Dave

Once again, knocked it out of the park. It seems that the overwhelming sentiment recently has been culture first, winning second, which I completely agree with at the team level, but to demand that every individual player is not only a “good” guy, but also affable, comfortable with the media, and well-spoken is fairly unrealistic. Regardless of AM’s run-ins (if they can even be called that, with the local media, he still gets it with his teammates, who are ultimately the ones that count.

by Royster on Oct 12, 2009 6:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Too much sugar makes for a pretty bad cake!

The Blazers are going to have a hard time winning anything if all they know how to do is say, "Yes sir!" and "No sir!" I would prefer a little more, "Get out of my face," when it is appropriate. We need a group of confident and talented young MEN in uniform, if we want to win a title. Enough already with the Jailblazer baggage. These guys are not angels or saints, so why do we feel such a need to believe that they are?

Over controlling a man’s behavior is a lot like too much sugar. In the end it ruins a what could have turned out to be a pretty good thing.

There is more to an athlete than how fast they can run, they also better be able to see what they are doing and know why they are doing it.

by KINGofMACct on Oct 12, 2009 6:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what kind of cakes you been eatin'

but I likes my cakes sugary….

"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"

by Eat Politicians on Oct 12, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know how heavy you are, but,between eating politicians and all of the sugar, you may need to go on a fast???
                                                               //"""\
                                                              ( 0.0 )

                                                            ( sugar )

                                                ( politcal correctness )

                                                        (indigestion)
                                                                       
                                                                          

There is more to an athlete than how fast they can run, they also better be able to see what they are doing and know why they are doing it.

by KINGofMACct on Oct 13, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, Dave, you're right on the money

Much ado about nothing, in my book. Obviously playing time will be an issue for some guys, as it is on any deep, talented team, but I firmly believe it will work itself out as the season goes on. I don’t see KP or Nate, or Brandon, for that matter, allowing any of this stuff to detract the team from the ultimate goal: winning.

As you said in your previous post, let’s just get the regular season started so we’ll have something real to talk about.

by MDBlazerfan on Oct 12, 2009 7:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Adversity brings a team together …

… unless the team is fighting against itself. If a player gets sick or injured, that is adversity the team can overcome. If an opposing team has somewhat insurmountable match-up concerns that is adversity the team can overcome. There are all kinds of underdog story lines that show the strength of character and integrity in the face of daunting odds.

Please notice in the midst of all Andre Miller’s self-absorbed tantrum (I don’t speak to the local media because I don’t care what anyone thinks and I’m a private person unless I do care what everyone thinks and then I’ll talk to the yahoo media so everyone will know my side which is that the coach is a liar and if he told me the truth I wouldn’t be here) the one guy you haven’t heard WORD ONE from is Steve Blake.

That’s because Steve Blake is a team first guy that is going to win or lose by his contributions, not by spouting off. Call it culture or chemistry but our talented and quality team won 54 games last year and will win more this year even without Andre Miller.

Let’s all own this: we don’t need this guy’s bad attitude. I disagree with Dave and the gist of this thread. Andre Miller is behaving like a prissy little baby and that attitude does not contribute in any way toward a quality team.

quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur

by dvcastle on Oct 12, 2009 7:53 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Good Point

The Spurs didn’t have to add a guy to blow up their “good guy” chemistry to win a bunch of rings. Sorry Dave, your post is very well written, but the argument is without merit. I do agree though, that this whole thing is overblown, and the team will be fine in the long run.

by wingzeta on Oct 12, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Spurs had tons of guys throughout the years

who while they may have been “good” guys off the court, were despised by other teams on the court. Bruce Bowen, Robert Horry, Manu were all hated by opposing players for various reasons giving them some edginess.

Not to mention that the Spurs best player and future HOFer is very much in the Andre Miller, “professional on the court, stay out of my private life” mold.

by Royster on Oct 13, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good job, Dave.

I’m a sucker for a good analogy, and the lantern / sunlight thing made me grin.

The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers

by lukeyhere on Oct 12, 2009 8:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Do the Drama chaha!

Ever watch west wing? Lemon Lymon. It was a fan blog site for one of the characters in the show named Josh. he goes in there to interact with his “fans” and they all turn into raving loonies because he didn’t cross a T or dot an I when he brain dumped on the blog, and they attempt to bite his head off like one of those candied pumpkins.

I feel this is the case with Blazer fans at the moment. over analyzing and believing they understand intent behind statements made behind closed doors. I’ve read a lot of people stating “well, he meant this” and ultimately we have NO idea whether that was the intent of the conversation or not. not only that, but a lot of things i see written are misquoted. Leaving out a couple words changes the entire intent of what was said.

The media plays some sound bite, blazer fans are bored, they look at it from 20 angles and then freak out.

Give these guys some peace, settle down, let’s see what they can do on the court and how they fit. After all, most of us can’t even watch the preseason games. Our judgment is mostly hearsay. For all we know Miller is awesome but stinks it up with Brandon because they’re not clicking. Or maybe they click like crazy and Nate talks about doubt so that scouts won’t know what Nate will do on opening night because Nate really hates Houston’s team scouts and wants to sucker punch them with a Miller Brandon Duo.

I don’t watch TV/Commericals/news because I grow tired of the drama. I’d like to not read that drama with my blazers please, unless there’s really an actual issue.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Oct 12, 2009 8:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The good news about the Blazers

Is that they are the only team in town. This is also the bad thing, however, as any problems, no matter how small, get magnified by the media.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Oct 12, 2009 9:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I believe Andre

when he says he’s not going to change anything about his work ethic or gameplay if he comes off the bench. So no, I’m not worried.

by shighkin on Oct 12, 2009 9:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Can't improve without change.

And change shakes things up. Reading about Brandon’s confusion over McMillan’s experimentation makes me want to say, “it’s an new team, new season, with improved players and some new vet additions, esp. Miller, so please grow up and adjust Mr. Roy.” McMillan wanted a vet leader at the 1, rightly so, and he wants to see where he will be most effective. I’d be very surprised if he has not discussed this “evolving team” concept more than once to Roy. It’s preseason against real opponents, and a great time to learn what might work better than last year. Not comfy for the stars right now, maybe, but better for the team. 54 wins and first round in the playoffs is last year’s measure of success. Gotta raise that bar now. Aside from Miller’s role, #1 pick Oden may now be earning more touches, more minutes. Hope that’s alright Brandon, because truth is, he may be more key to an eventual NC than you or LMA individually. And it may take a guy like Miller to facilitate that, make the offense less one/two-dimensional, while improving team defense.

trust all is well

by retrofuture on Oct 12, 2009 9:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your opinion on Miller

Andre at the 1 is the best chnace this team has at making noise over the next two seasons. I’m actually stunned to hear people suggest Miller and GO should come off the bench so Roy band LMA can get all the shots – that gameplan is what got this team beat in Houston, when they focused on Roy, bodied up LaMarcus, and nobody else could do anything. We have 4 upper tier players at PG, SG, PF, and C. We have two young SFs with loads of talent (it’s a matter of floor spacing vs. defense on that one, and either or is good/both will play) and one of the best benches in the league. (Blake, Rudy, Martell/Nic, Outlaw, Joel could give some starting 5s a run). Everybody needs to buy in, and this could be the start of something big.

I hate Comcast.

by blazeraddict on Oct 12, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

We still need the lantern!

We can play in metaphors and analogy’s if nessecary, however the lantern still serve’s a purpose. Just because your out of the pit doesn’t mean you throw away your light source and expect the culture to maintain itself. That would be crazy. A lantern needs gas, a culture needs tending.
For example, if they turn out the lantern how are they to read at night? Reading is totally something I could do without moving the light, making the light useful in stasis.
See right now, Andre Miller is at the mouth of the cave (the pit) and he is saying, “hey guys, lets see whats in here, c’mon follow me.” How the Blazers need to respond is, “No No Andre, we’ve been there, trust us. One, You need THIS (shows him the LANTERN) and once you get in that pit, it takes a long time to find one”. See The Blazers need to calmly talk Miller away from the mouth of the pit. It’s like a field trip and all the kids are tied together and if one of them goes in the pit, then others who are curious of the darkness will also be tempted. Since there are a lot of guys wanting playing time, it is like a combustable situation. Andre Miller is fubling with his match’s right now.
Straight up talk time. Miller needs to go to McMillan and clear the air. McMillan won’t go to him, its a power play. The media will have NO idea the conversation took place, the answers Miller gives to the media from here on out will become inane and non-revealing, as they always should have been.
Culture does not always hone talent. Talented bad attitudes can also erode culture.
And dominant teams do win the title. Not “eek out” teams. If it were all eek out teams then how have the Lakers and Spurs won 8 out of the last 10 titles? Miami and Boston were the other two, and Boston had the best record in the league?
The player called out the coaches integrity. Yes, find me some title teams where this happend, it wasn’t niped in the bud, and the team was just fine yawning and saying why worry?
Yes, we should trust in the culture and not panic. But this is also a situation that needs proactivity, not brushing off. The culture doesn’t run on autopilot.
Thank you for a good read.

by zersrule on Oct 12, 2009 9:27 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Overcoming adversity strengthens relationships

Besides, a little tension keeps things lively, minds alert, more creative. That would facilitate a more effective “winning” culture than team BBQs and slumber parties.

trust all is well

by retrofuture on Oct 12, 2009 9:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dave, you milked that lantern metaphor

like a dairy processing a large herd of cows that haven’t been milked in two weeks, and the milk is yearning to burst from udders that are large and swollen with milk, and the dairy milking machines are clean and ready to hook-up with those swollen udders and drain thousands of gallons of warm, white milk, where it will be processed though the addition of a bacterial culture into tasty yogurt that will win numerous Larry O’Brien Yogurt Excellence Trophies.

by MiledAnimal on Oct 12, 2009 10:27 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I suddenly feel nauseous

I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.

by jscot on Oct 12, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your comment seems incomplete because it lacks the word “turgid”.

The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers

by lukeyhere on Oct 12, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like cheese.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Oct 12, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smoked Gouda is the bomb yo

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Oct 12, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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