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blair drops 5 pounds in that game too
the minithins are still working.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
I gotta admit I like the story
I hope his knees hold up, I like underdog-ish stories…those dang spurs sure draft good…
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
I'm rooting for Blair...but it makes me sick to my stomach at the same time...
…why, O why, did KP go blind…
KP stayed "true to his board"
while RC Buford took a chance when a “fallen angel” dropped into his lap
If kP wants to emulate the success of the Spurs’ organization, he’s going to have to think outside the box, and take a few calculated risks when unexpected opportunities present themselves
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
You mean like buying first round picks from Phoenix and NO
and drafting some Euro who fell because of a big buyout in his contract, and drafting another Spaniard when everyone thought he was going to draft a PF, and jumping up a couple spots in the draft when Nic Batum fell so far?
Yeah, KP really struggles with that thinking outside the box thing. Every move he makes is so telegraphed everyone knows he’s going to do it.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
His draft strategy has been extremely risky
Drafting Foye to force Minny to deal with us instead of Houston, 3 trades to end up with Batum, gambling on Rudy playing for peanuts, etc.
Ya gotta remember— we didn’t draft Blair because we thought he’d be bad. We didn’t draft him because his knees are a huge risk. That’s not thinking outside the box, that’s just a debate of how comfortable one is with Blair’s knees. Almost everyone wasn’t comfortable with it. Buford was, which is fine.
Drafting Blair is extremely inside the box thinking. If you don’t consider his knees, it’s a no brainer.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Oct 12, 2009 3:36 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
and given portland's track record with bad knees...
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
by Tofu Anonymous on Oct 12, 2009 6:00 AM PDT up reply actions
While that's true, DeJuan Blair isn't some lazy, indolent namby-pamby like Mr. Darius Miles.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
How dare you! :)
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
Here's to hoping I didn't accidentally offend any "nambies" or "pambies" out there.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
by AK1984 on Oct 12, 2009 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Rectify
I could have sacrificed goin' out
To think my homies who did it, I used to joke about
From now on I'ma use self control instead of birth control
Cause $315 ain't worth your soul
$315 ain't worth your soul
$315 ain't worth it
You jerk.
My dad was a nambie, and my mom is a pambie. I am going to cry now.
by dario argento on Oct 12, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
it's okay
I’m a pamby-namby, so I don’t really feel like it applied to me
Dude!, what's wrong with you? Why you gotta be holding a corn dog when I go for a high-five??
No, he isn't known as lazy
But he IS known as a fattie, and fatties with bad knees is a bad combo.
Just because he lost weight for the draft— which he had to do to earn a contract— it doesn’t mean the underlying problem that caused his fattiness (whatever it may be) has been fixed.
It looks like while Blair plays he will be pretty good; not likely able to defend any good PFs, but a rebounding machine who also can score around the basket. It’s a great piece to have. It’s not THE piece though, and I understand 100% the concerns about drafting a guy with longstanding WEIGHT problems plus no cartilage in his knees.
If the weight is gone forever now for him, that’s great… the problem got fixed. But suddenly losing weight before the draft because your draft status depends on it doesn’t mean the problem is gone.
Morty
TRUTH
Numerically Blazers Edge is #25
by Outlaw is Rejector on Oct 12, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
HAY GAIZ
Someone dropped 20 in preseason. NO WAI!
by HallelujahHoeDown on Oct 11, 2009 10:25 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It is a bit early granted...
but he does look good.
C’mon! You aren’t rooting for “those evil team doctors” who “wouldn’t let” culddley GM’s draft him, are you? That’s warped maayn…
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Most assuredly I am not.
And I would not go and say it wasn’t a missed opportunity. But unfortunately our roster is what it is and no amount of internet GMs combined with retrospection will change it. So people can shout to the heavens for as long as they want about what the Blazers Draft Committee should have been doing with their pick but it didn’t happen.
by HallelujahHoeDown on Oct 11, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Nyet
Cranking up more than a point a minute, but barely 5 rebounds per 36. What kind of a PF is that?
Dodged a bullet.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
Blair is showing both sides of his "arsenal"
I’m sure you know that he had 19 boards in 22 minutes the other night
I didn’t expect him to be this good of a scorer, so fast. Most of his offense has been on put-backs, but that clearly wasn’t the case, tonight. I don’t expect him to get so many “touches” during the regular season, but it must be nice for Pop to know that he’s a got another stealthy scoring option over there on the bench, to use when the matchups dictate
And if DeJuan ever scores like this against LMA in the future…watch out KP!
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Ahem
T4L? That you?
Um, joke man, joke. As in, humor. :)
Norsk posted “dodged a bullet” after a low-production Millsap game, after all the dodged a bullet comments about Turk. I’m just continuing the fun.
You know your problem? You were a LaRue fan. That can kind of sour a person on life. Hard to get over it. I think you should change your identity to something like LloydNealRules or something like that. More positive outlook, you know. :)
We know nothing about what this guy is going to be, preseason means only marginally more than Summer League, but it does appear that he’s doing against NBA competition what he did in college, doesn’t it?
I can guarantee you that, whatever the reason we chose not to draft him, it isn’t because we didn’t think he could put up numbers. That was obvious.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
psycho-analyze, much?
The reason I chose two4larue wasn’t because I was a “fan” of Martin, it was similar to why “Blazerfansince1970” chose his handle (I suppose) It was a signal that I’ve been around long enough to actually have seen the Blazers play, back in the early ’70s
But I suppose, in a round-about way, the drafting of Martin was an event that began long-time Blazer fans questioning the brain-pans of their front office—and that’s not a bad thing, to my way of thinking. After all, the same GM that brought the Blazers their only championship (Stu Inman) also drafted Martin and bypassed Michael Jordan, during his drafting tenure. This tells me that no matter how well-organized the scouting staff is, they may still mess up the draft.
KP has done a lot of things right, and I’ve given him credit for these ‘slaps, along the way. But I won’t be “shouted down” (as you so eloquently admonished someone, elsewhere) when I perceive chinks in Pritchard’s unassailable armor. Kevin is human, just like the rest of us, and past his successes don’t make him immune to having future blindspots, especially in the areas of the draft, and roster construction.
If we disagree on the number and severity of those chinks and blindspots, then that’s OK. I just reserve the right to keep pointing them out, when I see or anticipate them.
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
LOL
I’m the guy who did a fanpost that kept on and on about amateur psychologists.
Yeah, I was a fan of LaRue, too. A good guy who couldn’t help that he was drafted when he shouldn’t have been.
I was joking, you know?
I don’t mind that you keep pointing out blindspots/chinks/whatever. They are obviously there.
I’m not enthusiastic about bashing KP for not doing rumored trades, since the alleged trades may have never been a possibility. We certainly have had explicit denials in the past that some of these “you have to do it” trades were never a possibility.
But criticizing KP for passing up on a player in the draft? By all means, there is nothing that is more valid than that. The facts are evident. For whatever reason, we didn’t draft Blair. I don’t think it is valid to say why we didn’t, because we have never been given a precise reason why. He wasn’t on our board, but we haven’t been told why. So the decision is open for criticism for sure, though the reason is less so.
However, I’m pretty sure it wasn’t because we didn’t think he could produce. Everyone knows he could produce. So the reason is something else, which means his preseason production doesn’t necessarily invalidate the reason.
But it’s all fun to discuss.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
He wasn’t on our board, but we haven’t been told why.
And the Blazers don’t have to tell us why. But I’d feel a lot better knowing that they rated him higher than Pendergraph but red flagged him due to medical fears (especially on the heels of the Memphis-Mile’s fiasco)
Like I said on draft night. If anyone other than the Spurs had taken a flier on DeJuan, I wouldn’t scrutinize KP nearly as hard. But Bufurd and Pop are the “standards” that the small-market Blazer have and should be holding themselves up against, and the San Antonio scouts thought Blair was worth the risk. If KP had only one 2nd round choice and didn’t want to “blow it” on a guy with no ACLs, then I’d cut him a little more slack. But clearly they needed a PF (they drafted 2 of ’em) and just as clearly DeJuan was the BPA at 31 and 33.
Normally, I’d say let’s wait 3-5 years before declaring “winners and losers” in any draft. But this year it’s a little easier to handicap. If Blair only lasts a year or two and Pend goes on to have a long, productive NBA career, then we can all look back at KP’s decision and praise his clairvoyance. But at this juncture, it appears that the selection of Blair was “RC Buford, FTW!” and I for one don’t want to see an “extension” of the Spur’s dynasty occur at Portland’s expense
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
If it helps, I am 99.99% sure every team that needed a rebounding PF and didn't draft him
Did not draft him because he was red flagged. If that makes you feel better, then you should feel better, because even though I am not in those draft rooms I can almost guarantee that was the reason.
There is no other reason.
They can’t just SAY that though, that’s a mean thing to say about a young player. They gotta say they stuck with their board, instead of saying “we didn’t think his knees were worth the risk”.
If his knees hold up, it’s a dye-no-mite pick by the Spurs, because Blair is very likely to be a very good backup PF. But I understand a team not drafting a guy with longstanding WEIGHT problems, on top of having extremely risky knees… Darius situation or not.
Not every team has the same worries we had with injuries and medical retirements, and they still all passed on him as well. Since he’s a good player, I am positive (as much as someone in my position can be) that it was due to his weight problems, and especially his knee problems.
Buford taking him legitimizes Blair quite a bit as a smart pick, but no matter WHO took him… if his knees hold up, it’s a smart pick in the 2nd round. The worry is, as it always was, that a guy with weight problems and bad knees is just asking for trouble.
Morty
They gotta say they stuck with their board
Saying only that is silly, though. Because they had to have Blair on their pre-draft board, based on his talent and the team’s need.
I’ve followed the NFL draft for years, and those teams have no trouble saying that they red flag players because of medical issues or bad rap sheets. I don’t get why it’s not “PC” to say something similar in the NBA. It makes your staff look bad, like they didn’t do their homework.
Hansbrough, Pendergraph and Cunningham worked out at the PF before the draft. The Blazers (reportedly) tried to “trade up” and select Tyler, then took Pend/‘Ham even though there was a guy who was projected to be finge lottery sitting there at 31/33? It looked bad on draft night, and it will look worse each time Blair keeps putting up the kind of numbers that Pend/’Ham may never reach. If DeJuan was a medical red flag, just go with that. Don’t say “he wasn’t on our board” and leave your draft/scouting diagnosis open for unnecessary criticism, for years to come
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Just one other point here
The Spurs’ horizon to contend is about two years, perhaps three at the most. After that, it’s over, I’m afraid.
Our horizon is about ten years, give or take a couple.
Given that, this “medical gamble” (assuming that is what it was) makes a lot more sense for them than for us.
It’s very possible that KP, if he were in RC’s situation, would have taken Blair, and that RC, if he were in KP’s situation, wouldn’t have. There is enough difference between the situations that it isn’t indicative.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
That's easy to say, looking at their situation from afar
but I really doubt the Spur’s brass are thinking that “when Timmy retires, we’re just going to go in the tank and try to get lucky in the lottery, again”
Are they trying to win now? You betcha. But they’re still drafting smart, and stashing Euros for the future—after all, where do you think KP honed his craft?
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Of course they want to keep winning
and they’ll continue to be a playoff team as long as Parker and Jeff are effective, anyway. If they end up with a home run with Splitter, they might even contend again.
But that doesn’t mean the team situations are really comparable.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
We almost got in legal trouble for supposedly bashing Miles' knees and hurt his chances to find work
The last thing we’re gonna do is the same thing for a player we didn’t draft. They can’t come out and say it was for medical reasons, but everything leaked by every team says it was for medical reasons.
M—
All his career, whatever takes longer
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
by Norsktroll on Oct 12, 2009 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I look forward to the point where I get so sick of them that I start looking forward to his knee's breaking
by tominhawaii on Oct 12, 2009 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And how!
Dude!, what's wrong with you? Why you gotta be holding a corn dog when I go for a high-five??
On a side note, the San Antonio Spurs played the Miami Heat that game. In my eyes, the Heat would've ...
been the best destination for Andre Miller. All right, Miller probably wouldn’t’ve got anything beyond a one-year deal worth the MLE (i.e., $5,854,000). Nevertheless, Miller would’ve all but been assured a starting job there — as Mario Chalmers doesn’t have much clout, even though he had a solid rookie year last season — on a playoff caliber ballclub with a superstar shooting guard, Dwayne Wade, who would be a solid fit next to him in the backcourt. Although Wade isn’t exactly the most efficient at spreading the floor — as he shot 31.7% on 88 of 278 shooting from downtown last season — Quentin Richardson, James Jones, and Yakhouba Diawara could’ve covered that threat at the small forward position.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
So after 3 preseason games
Blair has per 36 minute averages of 32 points and 15 rebounds.
I am with norsk on this one
KP shoulda picked Blair, even if he only gives you 3-4 good years. He fits the backup banger role to perfection. I was disappointed we let him go at draft time, and I am still disappointed. It seemed like an obvious 2nd round pick to me. Taking Dante at 31 is all good, no issues there. But pendergraph over blair had me scratching my head. I don’t hate #33 by any stretch, but I really think Blair helps the blazers this year, and the Blazers need players that can come off the bench and contribute right now.
Oh well, Pendergraph has a better career than Blair, I just doubt its in a blazer uni…
When I say come off the bench and contribute right now
I am talking bigs, specifically the backup pf position…
Blair would get no minutes in Portland
Who gets bumped out of the rotation at the 4? Travis? Don’t think that would go over so well.
Blair plays well enough that if Kevin Pritchard and Nate McMillan consider having a rebounder at PF important they would find somewhere else for Travis to go after a few games.
I could have sacrificed goin' out
To think my homies who did it, I used to joke about
From now on I'ma use self control instead of birth control
Cause $315 ain't worth your soul
$315 ain't worth your soul
$315 ain't worth it
If Blair can average 32 and 15 he's the starter in Portland.
Too bad, we could have used another position conflict to discuss. It’s been a little slow around here.
If Blair can average 32 and 15 he is the MVP
I don’t expect him to be able to maintain his current production, but Blair is definitely looking like the most predictable 2nd round steal in NBA history.
they would find somewhere else for Travis to go after a few games.
Agreed. Givony reported that there was a deal to send Trav to Memphis if Utah had decided not to match Millsap’s toxic offer sheet. Blair’s play would’ve eventually made Outlaw even more “expendable” than he is, now
When reached 39 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Just so you know
we took Pendergraph at 31, Dante at 33. Which makes parts of your comment kind of funny sounding….
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
I want to see him do this in a game that really counts. I just doubt that guy is going to be some rookie
phenom. If he is though all those GMs including KP failed miserably. I mean if we took Pendegraph over this rebounding machine that is pretty bad scouting.
I think he's spreading it out a little.
The first game against houston he had like 19 rebounds. the second game he vanished because he didn’t want to be selfish like Roy. The third game he thought he’d score some shiny points because it’s fun. I bet the next game he has four blocks.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
I suppose after that he'll tackle third world hunger
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
nope, thats right after he cures cancer.
Numerically Blazers Edge is #25
by Outlaw is Rejector on Oct 12, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I just wish he'd cure swine flu for starters
I’m starting to lose faith.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
BLAIR!!
Biggest difference between Dejaun Blair and Juwan Howard? Age…. Second biggest? Experience… Third biggest? Knees…. I think that would put the advantage towards Howard as the best non playing Portland Big. Dejaun is young, and he is going to want to play, but Portland is a stacked young team, its not gonna happen for Blair on this team, just like you are not likely to see Dante or Jeff playing much if at all this year.
Good for him, I’m happy he found a team to play on where he might not be counting the slivers on the bench. But honestly what does he do for this Blazer team? A couple more rebounds a game? I think we are fine and dandy, and I do hope for the best in his career, though I doubt it lasts more than 5 years.
Numerically Blazers Edge is #25
by Outlaw is Rejector on Oct 12, 2009 11:45 AM PDT reply actions
The difference between Dejuan Blair and Juwan Howard
is the Blair is a beast who will be a major impact player in the NBA for as long as his knees hold up. Howard is an old man who has a few skills but is clearly past his prime. Also, Blair will probably grab rebounds at double the rate Howard does.
i think you missed my point buddy.
Howard is not going to play much for the Blazers this year, and nor would Blair…
And Blair is by no means a ‘major impact player’, he is good, but he is in no way elite.
Numerically Blazers Edge is #25
by Outlaw is Rejector on Oct 12, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Blair would play for the Blazers this year
He would be a significantly better option at backup PF than Outlaw, Howard or Cunningham.
I think Blair is a lot better than Outlaw
And I wouldn’t be too surprised if he ends up being better than Aldridge. Blair is a beast. He was the most statistically productive (highest PER, highest WS/40) college player in draftexpress’ database (which contains all division 1 college players since 2001-2002). Now he is dominating preseason as well. Blair is good enough that Nate wouldn’t be able to keep him on the bench.
there's not the same thought-process involved in playing backup PF vs. backup PG
Unleashing the beast for 12-14 mpg would be completely different than asking a 20 year-old PG to run the offense for the same amount of minutes
but I suspect you knew this, already
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Would Blair be happy only playing 12-14 minutes
I imagine he thinks a starter and deserves more minutes that that.
we'll see how the Spurs use him
with McDyess and Duncan on board and healthy, DB will probably get similar minutes, in San Antonio
I would’ve loved to have seen Blair try to carve out more than 14 mpg in Portland, though. At the very least, it would’ve signaled a “quicker” departure date for Travis
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between 2001-2002?
I do agree with snake however, he would be an upgrade, but given Nates track record with rookies you would be hard pressed to convinve me that he would find minutes in our current rotation.
Numerically Blazers Edge is #25
by Outlaw is Rejector on Oct 13, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
nm
i just realized you said since. I am sars.
Numerically Blazers Edge is #25
by Outlaw is Rejector on Oct 13, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep, it is since 2001
so there are 8 years worth of data, and out of all the players who played in college during those 8 years Blair put up the best numbers.
I read somewhere that defensive rebounding is overrated in importance
j/k
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
You are forgetting that Blair is a phenomenally good offensive rebounder
His defensive rebounding is good, but his offensive rebounding is even better, especially combined with his excellent touch around the basket that lets him score on a high percentage of put-backs.
he got so many O-rebs
that his O-reb% would have been a pretty decent O-reb% for an entire TEAM (and indeed, it was better than the O-reb% of qute a few NCAA teams).
KP2 compares him to Leon Powe, but also notes that Blair’s college numbers were way, way, better. We’re basically looking at Leon Powe x 3.
What is it with this thread?
People don’t even know I’m joking when I say “j/k”. Of course he’s a great offensive rebounder.
I was just pulling your leg because you posted in the other thread about defensive rebounding.
I can tell you how to make an Excel spreadsheet that proves Portland wins 62 games this year.
But honestly what does he do for this Blazer team?
Before the draft, I projected that Blair could play the 12-14 mpg behind LMA and contribute the “toughness and physicality” that Nate/KP said was missing from the roster, following the Rocket’s series
3+ months later, it appears Blair has that ability, but unfortunately he’s on a Spur’s uniform
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that was a real head scratcher.
Draft a healthy guy with a 1 in 10 chance of being a factor in the league or draft a guy who is 50/50 health wise but, if healthy, has a 9 in 10 chance of being a factor in the league and fills our exact positional need.
I was screaming at the TV on draft day!
and the cruel irony is
Blair’s playing well, and Jeff’s still on crutches
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blair is selfish
he ate all the rookie doughnuts.
then he purged.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Oct 12, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I am convinced that in the fog of draft day that we spaced out on Blair being available.
At 31 and 33. Anyone remember Nate on draft night and his cryptic suprised response to not taking Blair?
I think this is a big possibility also
and does not contradict what KP said….yeah he stuck with his board….cus we don’t pick til 31 and Blair will surely be gone by then anyway…
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
They don't watch ESPN in the war room?
Blair was on the “best player available” screen all the time.
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
I think Blair had a medical "red flag"
but sometimes you have to throw caution to the wind, when a guy who was projected to be fringe lottery drops into the 30s
especially when you have three 2nd round draft choices
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