Let Bayless go
by GoDucks2460 on Oct 1, 2009 4:34 PM PDT
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PrintI think we need to trade Jerryd Bayless. He's being wasted sitting on the bench and he wont be seeing any more playing time this season. He'll never be that point guard we're all looking forward to. He's more of a hybrid guard whose specialty is scoring. Not only is that what he does best, but its what he's naturally inclined to do. Bayless could thrive in a different system and I can see him becoming a great player in the NBA but he's gonna need some minutes which he wont be getting on this team. I say we free Jerryd Bayless
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And I agree 100%
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by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Oct 1, 2009 4:39 PM PDT reply actions
OK, I see your point, but...
How are we going to get real value for Bayless? Bayless is a talented player, yes? Do you think we can obtain an equally talented player in return?
The counsels of impatience and hatred can always be supported by the crudest and cheapest symbols. For the counsels of moderation, the reasons are often intricate, rather than emotional, and difficult to explain. And so the chauvinists of all times and places go their appointed way: plucking the easy fruits, reaping the little triumphs of the day at the expense of someone else tomorrow, deluging in noise and filth anyone who gets in their way, dancing their reckless dance on the prospects for human progress, drawing the shadow of a great doubt over the validity of democratic institutions. And until peoples learn to spot the fanning of mass emotions and the sowing of bitterness, suspicion, and intolerance as crimes in themselves - as perhaps the greatest disservice that can be done to the cause of popular government - this sort of thing will continue to occur.
What they're going to do isssssss.....
trade Steve Blake at some point in the season and insert Bayless as the number 2 guard.
For some reason this stood out to me...
I’ll be watching, and remember this if it happens
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
I think this has a chance to happen,
but is everyone going to be comfortable with Bayless as Millers only backup? What if Miller gets injured after?
Roy
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
Oh I know, I know,
its been brought up plenty. Is this team really going to be as good with Roy as the starting point? If it is as good or better why hasn’t this been done already? Roy is a stop gap at point at best, only a temporary fix, he’s not the full time solution and should not be put in that position.
He is basically playing the point a lot.
At key times, he’s bringing the ball up the floor and running pick and pops or isolations. Blakes works well in those situations as a spot up shooter. The problem is that they needed to do that too often in games, and Miller will change that.
Rudy
Is getting time at the point according to fridays O
by DucRider on Oct 2, 2009 2:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
According to Friday I had an O where Rudy was on time at the point.
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now I think this might have been the better JD
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Was the joke that good? No.
I'm not comfortable with Bayless anything
It might be best if he were to play elsewhere.
But what did Dallas get for Devin Harris? Jason Kidd and no more finals appearances.
So maybe we keep JeBayBay for a bit longer.
That takes away versatility at point guard.
Neither Miller nor Bayless are good spot up shooters, so they wouldn’t work well playing beside Roy or Fernandez (who will handle the ball much more this year, according to Nate). Why trade a player who is okay with any role he’s given and offers assets that compliment the best player on the floor? Roy was pretty explicit about what point guard he’s comfortable playing with at this point.
he is a mid-season trade guy
NBA teams don’t usually like to go after young, unproven guys in the offseason, they want to drop their cash on guys that they know will come in and contribute usually
I see Bayless as a mid-season trade guy. Almost every year there is a team that has high expectations, but doesn’t play up to them and underperforms. Then they try to shake things up and appease fans by getting some young talent. I think this situation is what we’ll see with Bayless.
I agree that we do need to move him if he is not going to see the rotation for us, but it’s hard to determine what his “real value” is considering he never plays. He is talentd (No. 11 overall pick), and a lot of teams would take him on potential as a Ben Gordon-esque type of guy, but let’s keep it realistic we’re not going to get someone amazing for him. We might be able to package him with Outlaw or someone for a legit player, but honestly, do we need that? I’d say we trade him for a draft pick and cash.
by rip_city_swagger on Oct 1, 2009 4:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
im not ready
bayless has been disappointing in my mind to this point, but hes still too young to let go, esescially when they couldnt get anything back for him thats useful at this time
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by staceyaugmon4HOF on Oct 1, 2009 4:51 PM PDT reply actions
Norsktroll CareerPredictor® Technology sez: Let Blake go
Fight fight fight
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2009 4:54 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
No!
You clearly do not realize how well Blake and Roy gel!
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by CaptainSexyJacob on Oct 2, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Hold Bayless Hostage!
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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make him sit UNDER the bench!
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by In Walks Rudy on Oct 1, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
who is his lord father
and why would his lord father care about his playing time?
The counsels of impatience and hatred can always be supported by the crudest and cheapest symbols. For the counsels of moderation, the reasons are often intricate, rather than emotional, and difficult to explain. And so the chauvinists of all times and places go their appointed way: plucking the easy fruits, reaping the little triumphs of the day at the expense of someone else tomorrow, deluging in noise and filth anyone who gets in their way, dancing their reckless dance on the prospects for human progress, drawing the shadow of a great doubt over the validity of democratic institutions. And until peoples learn to spot the fanning of mass emotions and the sowing of bitterness, suspicion, and intolerance as crimes in themselves - as perhaps the greatest disservice that can be done to the cause of popular government - this sort of thing will continue to occur.
Best idea yet
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We won't get good value in return
And if we do, we’ll just have to play that guy too and if we don’t have minutes for him he’ll be unhappy just like Bayless!
Only thing left to do is murder the poor kid. For his sake and ours. We can’t keep him for some reason that I am not grasping, and if we get another good player who wants minutes we just did the same mistake again.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Oct 1, 2009 4:58 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I like Bayless
Let’s trade him for some *&(@#!^ and then murder that guy instead.
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I doubt the Lakers will trade Kobe to us for Jerryd.
by MiledAnimal on Oct 1, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Duh
You have to make the salaries work. The trade would have to be Bayless + Filler for Kobe.
Mike Wahle(OG), Walter Jones(LT), Chris Spencer(C), Marcus Trufant(CB), Deion Branch(WR), Sean Locklear(OT), Brandon Mebane(DT), Leroy Hill(LB), Lofa Tatupu(LB), Josh Wilson(CB), Justin Griffith(FB), Matt Hasselbeck (QB)
by ninjasocks on Oct 1, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think consilidating Bayless, Outlaw, Webster and possibly Fernandez could bring in a high quality starting small forward
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Well I'm thinking more like Gerald Wallace or if we're lucky a borderline all-star like Danny Granger, though Granger is pretty much impossible
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Reportedly
They wanted Batum, we said no.
I am fine with saying no though I really do like Crash.
M—
is that inside information, kp?
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by blazersunited on Oct 1, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And he takes out his mouth guard while shooting free throws. That's kinda scary, too.
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
H1N1
if you watch Rambo in reverse, Sly is healing everyone with his magical, bullet-sucking vacuum
by Tyler Durrden on Oct 2, 2009 7:22 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I wouldn't trade Batum, but I seriously doubt we offered Rudy or obviously Webster
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Wouldn't Crash would be a terrible fit next to Miller and Roy?
To many drivers not enough shooters
by upper left corner on Oct 2, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
The Pacers of course. They just converted Jack's salary and production into 3 players, they would overflow with joy to do the same for Granger.
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
no way
granger is the only ray of hope in indiana, he is the last person they would trade..
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by blazersunited on Oct 1, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
They might do it
if you were able to trade them someone less “hip hop” than Granger.
Mike Wahle(OG), Walter Jones(LT), Chris Spencer(C), Marcus Trufant(CB), Deion Branch(WR), Sean Locklear(OT), Brandon Mebane(DT), Leroy Hill(LB), Lofa Tatupu(LB), Josh Wilson(CB), Justin Griffith(FB), Matt Hasselbeck (QB)
by ninjasocks on Oct 1, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If the Pacers are a cellar-dweller by mid-season...
…it will be a possibility. In any event, I could see us moving Blake + Outlaw + Cap Space, and then team up Rudy and Bayless in the back court and let the offense flow through Rudy, like Quick said Nate suggested already. This would enable Bayless to play his more natural role of scorer. Of course, this would work out equally as well with Blake and Rudy, as we’ve already seen with Blake and Roy. Plus, right now, Blake is a better spot-up shooter. Jeez, I love our team’s “problems”. Too much good stuff.
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Honestly
I can’t think of a single team in the league that’s going to trade us their best player for any of our bench guys. Besides we dont really NEED another guy who’s main forte is scoring. So long as we’re fantasizing about having another teams best guy as our SF, i’d rather have Iggy, Butler, or Crash than Granger. Sure Granger is probably better than Crash and maybe butler but he’s just not as good of a fit.
The Dubs, the Suns, the Knicks or the OKC Sonics
Mike Wahle(OG), Walter Jones(LT), Chris Spencer(C), Marcus Trufant(CB), Deion Branch(WR), Sean Locklear(OT), Brandon Mebane(DT), Leroy Hill(LB), Lofa Tatupu(LB), Josh Wilson(CB), Justin Griffith(FB), Matt Hasselbeck (QB)
I see a three-team deal
where we get Brandon Rush and Jarrett Jack.
by Kaboomm on Oct 1, 2009 4:59 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
ew.
'do it, do it, do it 'til you're satisfied!' - brian wheeler
by blazersunited on Oct 1, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Bayless leaves over my dead body
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo
real.baller
by thomasikehara on Oct 1, 2009 5:01 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
well you may be dead sooner than later then
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by Zaron5551 on Oct 1, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is a seriously violent fanpost thread.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
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This is Rex we are talking about
Bayless, much like Mortimer’s dog, only knows one speed: kill
by tingeyga on Oct 1, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
You'll have to blame yourself when you trade Bayless
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Bayless would kill you to leave
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by In Walks Rudy on Oct 1, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You will be missed Thomas...
Actually I don’t think it is time to trade Bayless…or Blake. Steve balances out the PG position with his consistency and outside shot. Bayless is young and hasn’t proven anything yet. Therefore he is not good trade bait OR ready to be the number 2 PG. But who knows what he’ll become in a year or two. I think patience is what is needed with Bayless. But, if he can’t have patience and becomes a distraction because he’s complaining about lack of playing time… ship him out, cut him loose, trade him for anything. Chemistry on this team right now is more important than a 3rd string PG’s ego… IMO.
Getting short now. We’re gonna be watchin’ Basketball before ya know it!
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You don't trade away talent just because he's not projected to get enough minutes
all it takes is one injury for Bayless to get playing time. And Morty is right, trading Bayless doesn’t make the team better because we’ll just have another guy sitting at the end of the bench.
Keep everyone and lets win a championship this year.
Trade players for picks and draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Oct 1, 2009 5:08 PM PDT reply actions 11 recs
+1 This roster looks deep, strong and ready to compete...
A roster that can with stand the rigors of an 82-game season, the ups and downs, streaks, injuries and anything else that can happen during the course of the year and into the stretch of playoffs and the quest for a championship.
Personally, I despise the “Trade So-n-So now” talks… all these guys showed up to compete for a job, lets not assume we know more than what is going to going on with the coaches and brass keeping the best interest of this team in mind. Claiming that Jerryd Bayless is “never (going to) be the point guard we’re all looking forward to” is a ridiculous statement. Do we all want a pass-only point guard? No. Andre Miller is here now anyway to be THAT guy… Steve Blake is competing for his job as either a starter or a backup. Chemistry with the other players is going to be a huge deal. Maybe the tandem of Rudy Fernandez + Jerryd Bayless is much more natural and effective than Rudy + Blake 2nd unit back court…. ya dig? There is a ton to consider… not just that Jerryd Bayless isn’t a “classic Point Guard” in every sense of the word. I don’t want a classic point guard, I want a game breaker who is passionate, intense and who makes those around him better… Bayless can definitely be THIS guy.
I also believe that worrying about “market value” or percieved “trade value” of our Blazers who may be in the crunch of dealing with TRUE positional battles and even likely to lose those battles… you can’t count these professional athletes out until the dust is settled. With 15+ very competent players in camp I have ZERO doubts that the Blazers Brass will make the right moves and keep enough players to fight through the rough spots of the season and playoffs for this year and in the future.
Let the PROS make the decision of who stays and who go’s… but I got money on JB staying around and being a key factor in this Blazers team and their Championship aspirations.
by Portland Dynasty on Oct 2, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
KEEP BAYLESS
Maggy already said one reason with the injury. Steve Blake is also a free agent after this season, then we can let Andre go the season after that. Rex will be ready to go by then if he’s patient enough.
"What I'm not looking for is, uh, some big overgrown monster that's always thinkin' about food."
He doesn't have the inNate ability to be a point guard. Or so I hear.
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
rex..
will never be ‘ready to go’. he isn’t a point guard and never will be. anyone who watched the summer league experiment would know that. he’s lost trying to involve other people. he is a one trick pony. take it to the well.. if that isn’t there, he’s toast.
'do it, do it, do it 'til you're satisfied!' - brian wheeler
by blazersunited on Oct 1, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Greg Ostertag completely destroyed Tim Duncan in summer league. Anyone who watched that knew Duncan was a bust.
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
Rec. If Duncan hadn't played with TP, Manu, and The Admiral,
plus have an incredible agent, he’d have zero rings and be exposed for the benchwarmer he really is.
Attention LaMarcus: When Duncan entered the draft, some critics felt he was soft.
nic will never be 'ready to go'
he isn’t an NBA player and never will be. anyone who watched the summer league experiment would know that. he’s lost trying to do anything.
As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.
LOL
I’m just quoting blazersunited and substituting Nic’s name, and the things people said about Nic after Summer League last year.
As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.
Good point about waiting a season or two
A. Blake is a free agent after this year, correct? So a space could open up very soon.
B. Bayless would only be entering his junior year in college now, if he had wisely decided to stay in. So he could be considered somewhat on schedule, even if he doesn’t get real minutes for another year.
Ahead of schedule, actually
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Why trade him?
Your not going to get anything that helps the team right now anyway…
"I don't know what my role is." -- Jerryd Bayless
The team doesn't need any help
and Bayless is wasting away on the bench. For Bayless’ good alone, send him for a couple second round picks.
There are some people who aren’t smart
It's not a contract year
And he’s extremely young. Sergio, Outlaw, both guys rumored to be maybe traded for their own good, are entering contract years and that’s why it may be in their best interest to be dealt. Bayless is just entering the 2nd year of his 4 year rookie deal.
There is no rush to move him for his own good, especially when moving him hurts our team.
And Bow… 2nd round picks? I know ya don’t like the kid that much, but c’mon. :-)
Morty
by Mortimer on Oct 2, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ditto...
This is a business. Trading him for his own good shouldn’t be in the decision. The Blazers have him under contract and are paying him. They should do what’s best for the team… not Bayless.
Jermaine O'Neal
That’s what you call seller’s remorse. Are we going to do that again? and for what purpose. Bayless is our target backup/stater for next season or the year after if Blake is retained. For now Bayless should be happy collecting millions to just be ready to play. I really doubt htat Bayless is not progressing at all. sure he’d progress fasterif given 30minutes per game, but that’s not happening until he outplays either Blake or Miller.
by NWfan on Oct 1, 2009 5:36 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Make Bayless earn it.
He will be better off for it in the long run.
If he’s gonna be that good, then trading him before you are forced to is stupid. If you dont think he has the potential to be that good then get rid of him before anyone else figures it out.
Makes ZERO sense to trade him now.
While not a Bayless booster or basher (too soon), I wouldn’t mind trading the guy, but there is no way you’re going to get value from him – right NOW.
Personally, I think he’ll play quite a bit (4th quarter blowouts), and I think he’ll play well enough to up his stock to where a trade deadline deal will make sense. Either that, or we’ll decide we like him enough to keep him.
If he DOESN’T play well this winter, then sure ship him off to somewhere for a future pick. But it’s WAY too soon right now…
Blazers: RUN away with the title!
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Think about it this way
Transport yourself back to October of 2000. Now substitute the following words into the post:
Everytime it says ‘Jerryd Bayless’, substitute in ‘Jermaine O’Neal’
Everytime it says ‘point guard’, substitute in ‘power forward’
Everytime it says ‘guard’, substitute in ‘big man’
Does it sound familiar? Hey, I’m not one of these types who cries “Jermaine O’Neal” everytime a trade proposal for a young player is suggested (at least I don’t think I am), but in this case, the OP just hit me in this way.
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
by Storyteller on Oct 1, 2009 5:42 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
O'Neal was a strange case.
He would play tremendous in practice and then freeze up in games. Every time he would do anything even remotely negative (every simple foul, questionable pass, rebound that slipped from his hands, almost anything at all) he would stop and stare over at the coach expecting to be pulled from the game. It was incredible to watch it happen every single time. Something had his head so screwed up in PDX I don’t know how he could have ever succeeded here. The best thing that ever happened to him was to be traded. He suddenly gained confidence and started playing in games like he played in practice.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Oct 1, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
that's because
Dunleavy would pull him every time he did the smallest thing wrong, so yes he got to where he expected it. Dunleavy hated rookies, he has only recently come around on that one. But you watch, if Griffin starts making too many rookie mistakes he will get lost on the bench if Dunleavy has anything to say about it…
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Oct 2, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't get people who feel sorry for Jerryd Bayless
Bayless was given the back-up point guard spot last year, and he failed miserably. Sergio got the job back 3 games later if I remember correctly.
His PER was 8.28. He shot 36% from the field and 26% from behind the arc. He was awful. Except for a handful of a games against poor teams, he was a bust. Granted, he was a rookie, but this guy seems to think he’s Derrick Rose or something.
Maybe he’ll be as good as Rose given the opportunity, but Bayless squandered his previous two opportunities to show some handle, i.e., back-up point and his turnover-ridden Summer League fiasco. So he still has a long way to go before I’ll feel bad about him sitting on the bench.
by mas1983 on Oct 1, 2009 6:38 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Rex is what we need..
along side Roy. His ability to score and take pressure off of Roy will only improve as his confidence improves and he learns the NBA game. He squandered opportunities to impress in a couple of short opportunities as a rookie? Not fair to judge him on such a small sampling. Bayless is an asset and will most certainly be hungry and driven to succeed next season. Nate said himself that Bayless was a good 2-3 years away from being a player in this league, next year will be his third. It woul be foolish to abandon ship now. It will be of our best interest to have a guard of his capabilities for the long haul to compliment Roy’s playmaking abilities. Bayless is a stud who is driven and is still unbelievably young. We have given Travis 5-6 years, we have given Martell 3-4 years, why are so many people quick to ask for Bayless’s head. Let him grow, let him learn. There is no double he will succeed in thi league, and when he is a veteran he will look back at the first 2 years of his career and be thankful for the humbling lessons he learned.
by 2dVs4u on Oct 1, 2009 6:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't disagree with anything you've said
I just don’t get people who feel we should “free Bayless” cause he’s being underutilized as a non-rotation player. McMillan, as you pointed out, doesn’t even see Bayless as an NBA player yet. I love Bayless’s potential, I just don’t get worked up seeing him ride the pine. Given his performance, he’s earned it. I’d be overjoyed to see him beat out Steve Blake for minutes at some point.
Revisionist history
You are completely rewriting what happened last year.
Bayless got scraps of garbage minutes until Blake got injured in January. He like many rookies did not perform very well. His shot, which has been very good throughout his HS and UA career, deserted him, and it was clear that he was trying too hard.
When Blake got hurt, Bayless played quite well considering his age and rookie status. His PER for those fourteen games was over 15. His FG% was 48, and his points per possession because of his ability to get to the line was very strong. Even his assists were decent: 4.0 per game on 20 minutes of PT per game. which is actually more per minute than Blake averaged for the season.
After Blake came back, Bayless went back to garbage minutes for seven games averaging about 6 minutes per game. Nate was unhappy with Sergio, and gave Bayless the back-up job for a whopping total of three games. It seems likely that he was trying to teach Sergio a lesson more than he was giving Bayless a legitimate shot. After three games of Bayless pressing too hard, Sergio was back and played some of the best ball of his Portland career over the last month and a half.
I think it is fine for folks to have different opinions about a players potential. It does a disservice to the discussion to completely mischaracterize what happened last year.
Bayless has reason to believe in himself. He was a McDs All-American. He was recruited by Lute Olsen to be the PG at “PG University.” He was generally projected to go between 4-8 in the lottery. If he had stayed in school last year, he almost certainly would have been even higher. People in Portland would be salivating over our top lottery pick. Do you think Gary Patton would show up to watch some marginal second round scrub? There is a reason that KP and so many others are excited about Bayless.
Drawing definitive conclusions at age 20, about a player of Bayless’ pedigree, based on 600 minutes of PT, is just ignorant. Trading away the guy who has the most potential to fill the biggest long term hole in the Blazer’s roster is incredibly short-sighted.
by upper left corner on Oct 2, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
good post
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by HurraKane212 on Oct 2, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I wish we could have drafted Jerryd in 2006,
when he would have had many more chances to get minutes on a team that wasn’t in the mix for a playoff spot. It’s tough now to risk important games on a young player who still has a lot to learn.
I would be fine with trading Jerryd if he was part of a deal for a major star at the SF or PG spots like CP-3 or LeBron, but that’s not going to happen and we are plenty strong everywhere else, so why trade him? As long as he isn’t demanding a trade or snapping towels at guys butts in the locker room I say keep him around and let the cake bake.
Jerryd snaps towels at guys?
Oh, man, our season just collapsed.
As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.
that really smarts
leaves a vivid red mark on the buttocks, too.
The counsels of impatience and hatred can always be supported by the crudest and cheapest symbols. For the counsels of moderation, the reasons are often intricate, rather than emotional, and difficult to explain. And so the chauvinists of all times and places go their appointed way: plucking the easy fruits, reaping the little triumphs of the day at the expense of someone else tomorrow, deluging in noise and filth anyone who gets in their way, dancing their reckless dance on the prospects for human progress, drawing the shadow of a great doubt over the validity of democratic institutions. And until peoples learn to spot the fanning of mass emotions and the sowing of bitterness, suspicion, and intolerance as crimes in themselves - as perhaps the greatest disservice that can be done to the cause of popular government - this sort of thing will continue to occur.
disagree
I remember him failing when given an opportunity. He played good in about 2 of the 12 games he got significant minutes. They gave him a chance.
by goblazer1 on Oct 2, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was the equivalent of a sophomore in college
who played SG his freshman year. Big deal, he didn’t do great on an NBA level. Lots of great players haven’t been particularly effective at that point. Like, say, Andre Miller.
As author of Da BOM (Blazer Optimist Manifesto), I hereby certify that we will win 62 games in the regular season. Disagree at your peril.
The stats I sighted are the stats, they may not agree with your subjective recollection, but they are what happened.
A lot of folks who were Blake fans or Sergio fans had preconceived notions about Bayless’ performance. They have found enough ammunition in his season stats that they have confused his play during Blake’s injury with the rest of his season. Bayless had a PER of 15, which is well above average for a rookie. He was inconsistent and had trouble with his outside shot. He was frequently overly aggressive on defense and got called for quite a few ticky tack hand-checking fouls, but there was also a lot to like.
You can disagree about interpreting the facts, but you are not entitled to your own set of facts.
by upper left corner on Oct 2, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
No revisionist history here
Yes, you’re correct that Bayless’s FG% was higher during those 14 games Blake was injured. I’m not sure where you got 4.0 assists. He was credited with 39 assists in those 14 games, which is 2.7 per game. During those games, he put his head down and drove into unsuspecting defenses at will. This allowed him to rack up plenty of lay-ups and a very good free throw rate. However, once the scouting reports on him got out, defenders just slacked off of him and dared him to shoot and he was essentially neutralized.
As far as Sergio being taught a lesson, this is just speculation on your part. If Bayless had performed well during those few games, who’s to say he wouldn’t have been allowed to continue? And really, you’ve admitted that Bayless didn’t do well (“pressing too hard”). Our back-up point guard spot last season was a serious weakness on the team. Hence the desire to upgrade over the offseason.
So regardless of the reasons, whether they can be pinned on Bayless or not, he didn’t deserve to play. There were better players ahead of him in the rotation. This season, it’s the same story.
And I didn’t draw any “definitive conclusions” about the guy as you seem to infer. I’d be overjoyed if he blossoms into a starter for us. My post DISAGREED that he should be traded. I just think playing time should be earned, and Bayless so far as I could observe didn’t deserve to supplant anyone in the rotation ahead of him. Playing time certainly shouldn’t be allotted based on high school or college reputation or the fact that a certain player was a McDonald’s All-American.
If you were the coach, would you think three games was a fair trial for a rookie?
I certainly wouldn’t. You are right that it is my speculation, but it is based on reports that Nate was extremely unhappy with Sergio defensive effort.
by upper left corner on Oct 2, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends
If you’re coming down the ending stretch of the season and are concerned about winning homecourt, three games may be all you’ve got before the stakes are too high to experiment any further.
Whether it was a fair trial for a rookie or not is irrelevant since the trial did not occur in a vacuum. Winning was the priority. Giving Bayless a fair trial wasn’t. Bayless didn’t deserve to play in front of Blake or Rodriguez. That’s why he sat on the pine.
I wish Bayless had stepped up and outperformed Rodriguez. He didn’t, which may or may not be his fault. Bayless at least admits he was “unprepared” coming into this season (see his interview with Joe Freeman on YouTube before the Summer League).
I think Bayless and Sergio were very close and that is why Nate seemed to waver
Sergio was the better distributor, and shot better from distance.
Bayless was the better defender and the better driver and got to the line much better.
Sergio got the nod because he was more experienced and consistent, but obviously KP and Nate think Bayless has more long term potential because Sergio is gone and Bayless is not.
by upper left corner on Oct 2, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't disagree here
Sergio had more experience and was more consistent. Bayless has more long term potential.
Or was the upgrade from Sergio to Miller simply to raise the bar for Bayless
KP knew to get the best out of Bayless he needed push him even harder. To get playing time this year, Jerryd has to be better to Blake or Miller, not be just a little bit better than Sergio. That’s why KP does those Psych evaluations before drafting a player; to know how to get into his player’s head. TRex is just going to practicing his but off to get his minutes, cause he’s hungry . Cause he knows he won’t be allowed to play unless he can hang with the big boys.
That's an added bonus
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Another question, do you think Gary "the Glove" Payton would take a personal interest if he were some marginal project?
Payton said Bayless reminded him of himself. I don’t think it is a stretch to suggest that Payton, one of the best defensive PGs in the history of the league, would not make that comparison unless he thought Bayless had potential to be very good.
We have heard repeatedly from several fans around here that Bayless’ defense is supposedly atrocious. I am more inclined to take KP and Gary Payton’s word for that yours.
by upper left corner on Oct 2, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Michael Jordan thought Kwame Brown was awesome. How many former NBA greats can we point out that thought Adam Morrison was going to be a game changer?
I actually never said Bayless’s defense was atrocious. Individually, I saw some good things. He has a good body (albeit short arms) and good intensity that I saw. At the same time though, his team defense was bad. His rotations were off. His dealing with screens was lackluster. He’ll learn these things, no doubt, but again, we’re not talking about potential here. Last season, his defensive performance was not that great. Even individually he was often too aggressive, repeatedly picking up silly fouls in the back court.
If we were talking about potential, I would agree with you that he has a ton of potential. I’m happy Gary Payton likes him, though given the history of endorsements given throughout the years, I don’t put a huge amount of stock into it.
My guess is that HOF players are probably better at evaluating their own position rather than a totally different one.
It isn’t the most important aspect of evaluating Bayless, but I think it is a real indicator that many who know a lot more than I do think he has serious potential.
It is amazing to me that so many fans here at BEdge have been so unrelentingly critical of such a young rookie. Telfair, Jack, and Sergio each got three seasons to show what they could do. I think a lot of it is because many of Bayless’ critics were Sergio fans, pre-primed to find fault with Bayless’ game. A lot of those criticisms got repeated so often they became entrenched as part of the collective wisdom around here. We will see.
by upper left corner on Oct 2, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
That may be true
Though, you could argue that Bayless is more of a combo guard where Payton was a pure point.
I certainly wasn’t biased towards Sergio. If anything, I was biased towards Bayless. Every time he took a jumper I prayed it would go in for his sake. I wanted him to do well.
I’m just personally tired of people feeling sorry for the guy. He’s a very flawed player at the moment. Undoubtedly he’ll be better this year. I look forward to it. Hopefully he’ll be full time back-up by 2010-2011 and a starter by 2011-2012. But until then, he’s got a lot to prove and a lot of aspects of his game to work on.
I agree, we shouldn't feel too sorry for him
To be a PG for a GOOD team, he has lots to work on. And earning that time will be the best thing for him.
And if he doesn’t earn it, oh well. But no reason to feel bad for him or think he should be set free, I agree.
M—
No disagreement here
I don’t “feel sorry” for Bayless, but he is in a tough position. He scratched his way over Sergio, and now he has to start all over. I do think it is unfortunate that he is not getting more minutes, but it is what it is. He has too tough veterans in front of him.
Hopefully he has the patience and perseverance to wait for his opportunity and then cease it when it comes. I have no fear that he will quit working, that is simply not his style. What I do worry about is that his spring is would so tight that he will have trouble performing well when he does get an opportunity. Bayless strikes as the kind of guy who would benefit from knowing that he is going to get an extended opportunity to prove himself. He needs to relax and quit trying too hard. Easy to say, tough to do.
by upper left corner on Oct 2, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm in that middle range
Where I don’t feel sorry for him and think we should let him go somewhere he can play, but I also 100% understand his frustration and pressure he puts on himself and how it can be tough to deal with as a young, confident man.
I think it would have been very nice for Bayless to count on a regular backup role, but at the same time it’s clearly better for our team this season to add someone like Andre Miller… so the negative for Bayless is likely to be a positive for the team. Plus, he does have more to learn, so while I want to develop him, he just flat out probably needs more time to learn to be a serviceable PG… because that’s all he has to be is serviceable.
I do not blame him for being angry, hurt, or even if he said so to the press. I will be annoyed if he demands a trade or does anything that “lowers his value”; even still, we wouldn’t trade him because of complaining to the press so it’s more just because it’d be annoying. It’d only hurt his value if we were already looking to move him, like we were with Sergio.
I prefer Bayless over Sergio, but by us trading Sergio away he didn’t exactly claw over Sergio to get that temporary backup PG spot. He would have been handed that role, even if he was “winning” the role because the team felt he fit the long term plans better. He hadn’t outplayed Sergio just yet.
The bottom line is that there is still plenty of time. He’s super young, with a lot of raw natural ability and a good head on his shoulders. If he can become what we him to become, he will… he has that sort of work ethic. There’s no contract year coming up, and we need to win NOW to establish our dominance for the next decade.
I don’t think Bayless’ career will be a casualty of us trying to win more now. I think he can keep developing and working on his game and slowly earn regular minutes… and when he does that, it’ll really mean something.
Mortimer
I still have high hopes, but certainly don't see Bayless as a sure deal
My take on KP’s moves is that he must see a lot of potential in Bayless.
1) Trading Sergio
2) Hedo deal probably indicates that he was willing to give Bayless the back-up minutes
3) Reports out of Chicago that KP would not give up Bayless to get Hinrich
4) Choosing to go after Miller rather than Sessions
5) Trying Rudy as playmaker. May mean he is hoping to put Rudy and Roy on the court together, but it may also mean that he wants to try Rudy and Bayless together with Rudy as playmaker and Bayless as defender.
In any case it is certain that Miller is only a short term solution and Bayless is the only guy on the roster who has a realistic chance to develop into a starter. Let’s see how Bayless plays this fall. Is his shot fixed? Can he show some basic competence as a distributor? Can he develop into our best PG defender? If the answer to all three is yes, Bayless will likely earn minutes. If he plays well, KP may feel free to trade Blake away or plan to let Blake go next summer.
by upper left corner on Oct 3, 2009 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it depends on the player
I think it’s nice a future HOFer like Payton takes the time for Bayless, but his judgement doesn’t mean more the, say, KP’s. And KP likes Bayless, so that’s good enuff fo’ me.
Some players are good at judging talent, most aren’t. But there are a grip of talent scouts who think Bayless can become a good player and a nice fit next to Roy, and that’s more than enough to go by.
Morty
Good Post...
…and I agree. On the other hand I think it would be foolish to trade Blake at this point based on Bayless’ “potential”. At this point I find it extremely optimistic to say that Bayless is what we need or that he is our PG of the future based on what I’ve seen of him in those 600 minutes. So that drawing definitive conclusions thing works both ways. Stats…especially PER over a short term group of games… can be misleading. What I, and some others I think, have seen with our eyes make us skeptical that Bayless is the long term answer.
I haven’t given up on the kid. He’s only 20 years old and has the pedigree you spoke of. I just think he’s not ready to step up yet. I tend to agree with mas183 on his original post. Bayless doesn’t need or deserve sympathy or to be traded for his own good. Bottom line is he hasn’t earned the playing time yet. Doesn’t mean he won’t…but he certainly hasn’t yet.
2nd year player
he’ll be OK.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
I say we cryogenically freeze him.
Just for a week or so.
Just for fun.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
and then poke him with a stick
just for fun
1998 is Back
by In Walks Rudy on Oct 1, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Had Bayless played in a less dysfunctional[hows that for a double negative?] college system
Things might have worked out different for JB,He might still be in school and a top 5 pick next year. he has NBA talent and NCAA junior experience
It isn't Kevin O'Neill's fault that Jerryd Bayless is flawed; rather, it's his own fault that he's flawed.
“I feel worse for then UA head coach Kevin O’Neill — who’s known as a defensive guru — for having to deal with Jerryd Bayless’ offensively self-centered, defensively inept style of play.
Here, by the way, is a telling excerpt from an Andy Katz column that discusses an incident from O’Neill’s time at Arizona.
"[T]he Wildcats were getting blitzed by UCLA at Pauley Pavilion. O’Neill went into the locker room at halftime and ripped into Jerryd Bayless, Chase Budinger and crew for essentially being soft. O’Neill was so upset, he broke a chalkboard into pieces."
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=3238857There’s a flipside to this debate, though. Fox Sports columnist Jeff Goodman had this to write about O’Neill, Bayless, and their time at Arizona.
"First of all, in his defense, O’Neill is a tireless worker who knows the game — There’s no denying that fact. He’s also considered a defensive guru and a guy who is considered clean by NCAA standards.
But he’s not right for the college game.
Just ask anyone on that Arizona team from two years ago.
You won’t find a single player — except for maybe [point guard] Nic Wise (whose playing time dramatically increased under O’Neill) — who has anything positive to say about him.
Current NBA player Jerryd Bayless despised him. Ditto for Chase Budinger.
’He’s a great guy off the court, but he’s bipolar or something,’ said one of his former players. ‘On the court, he’s a madman.’"
http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/9707972/O’Neill-not-the-right-choice-for-USC-gigI can grasp why a supposedly laid back, carefree guy such as Chase Budinger — who’s vastly skilled on offense, but admittedly lax on defense — didn’t mesh with O’Neill; yet, with regards to Bayless, there’s no excuse for him to have failed both offensively and defensively under him.
Heck, I applaud O’Neill for playing an actual floor general at point guard, Wise, over Bayless. I also don’t blame O’Neill for ripping into Bayless for his disgustingly vile, pitiful defense. I’d do the same thing, too, without any regrets. Man, I’m surprised Joe Prunty didn’t snap at him this summer for his appalling, gruesome performance in Las Vegas.
Last but not least, here’s a snarky comment by Bayless about O’Neill.
"‘I came to college for an experience that I definitely did not receive,’ ex-Wildcat Jerryd Bayless reflected one year after his experience under O’Neill."
http://www.uwire.com/Article.aspx?id=4145168I know that people often blame O’Neill for what happened during his year at Arizona. Yet, in my honest opinion, the blame lies more on the narcissistic, uncoachable Bayless — as well as to a lesser extent the apathetic Budinger, who’s nevertheless a one-of-a-kind talent no matter his nonchalant attitude toward the game — than the hardworking, albeit anankastic O’Neill."
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/8/9/983272/bayless-bashing-and-miller-myth#19555602
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
Bayless came to be coached by someone else
who divorced his wife and then stressed out and abandoned his players.
Classic example of off-court trouble having an impact on-court, by the way.
There’s nothing snarky about that comment. Jerryd went to college for the experience of being coached by Lute Olson, and he didn’t receive it.
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please don't post the entire article
just post a link and credit the author’s work.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
First time reading a blog, mittsabishy?
AK provided excerpts and links, exactly the same thing that Dave, Ben, Henry Abbott, and countless other bloggers do.
yes.
this is my first time.
I just want him to not repost things he already posted.
I hate to not look at something twice.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Oct 2, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec for "I hate to not look at something twice."
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Meh, that part was a fair critique by mittsabishy.
Yet, in mittsabishy’s first critique, he incorrectly claimed that I posted whole articles.
Ironically, that fact shows he needed to read it more than once, so as to understand the difference between cited work and my flowing commenatry that accompanied it.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
There is a certain beauty in typos
when boasting about one’s own flowing commenatry.
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I can't figure out your double negative
He’s complaining about being afflicted with AK’s stuff twice, and having to ignore it twice.
But because AK quoted a whole post, it could have looked like a whole article from somewhere that AK copied in. You would have had to look at the link to know AK was quoting himself again, or else remember from when AK said it the first time.
If it had been from a non-AK article, it would indeed have been a copyright violation. AK could possibly sue himself for this. Actually, since all content on here probably belongs to Bedge, maybe they can sue AK for quoting AK in entirety. Not in Britain, but I don’t know the laws over there.
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You got it.
The outside block quote is just me reposting earlier comments of mine, while the inside block quotes are me citing other folks’ work. As it is, mittsabishy’s first set of criticism is unfounded and shows a lack of reading comprehension; however, his second set of criticism of “I hate to not look at something twice” is a fair critique.
Anyway, with regards to the fair critique, my response is that occasionally pounding something into people’s heads is the best way to get across a point.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
hence the need of rulers in school
by DucRider on Oct 2, 2009 3:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
:)
Bayless for his disgustingly vile, pitiful defense
Wow. Tell us how you feel AK
Don't worry, he'll quote himself in six months if you missed it this time.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
my bold prediction
bayless becomes second guard off the bench after all star break! (1st guard is rudy)
Disgruntlement seems a likelihood
We have too many players that want to play.
But sitting a distance, as we are, it will be hard to know who they trade. Depends on who they can get and who is unhappiest.
Most likely candidates:
Bayless, Fernandez, Outlaw.
I actually thinking riding the pine is something that will help Bayless in the long run...
I get the feeling that his tude needs to be humbled a bit. He doesn’t accept responsibility for his own poor play(see summer league), he struggles at running an offense, his best skill is his one on one game(not what you want out of your pg) and the worst part is, I think he really believes he is better than everybody thinks he is. There is confidence, and there is overconfidence, I believe Bayless suffers from the latter. A year watching Blake and Miller run the team will be good for the kid, and next year, if he is ready, he will get the backup pg spot with a chance to start. If you are going to have a 12th man collecting dust on the bench, it might as well be a young prospect with lots of potential. I trade him if the right deal comes around, but I wouldn’t be shopping him or looking to dump him off for next to nothing in return…
Miller is signed for two years and Blake will most likely extend next summer.
If so, I don’t see Jerryd getting meaningful minutes until Miller’s contract ends.
If Jerryd can raise his game, he gets time
If not, he sits.
If it happens this year, Miller can be traded as an expiring contract next summer.
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If they resign Blake....
it will be for two reasons:
1) Bayless is not ready, and the front office fears he is not the guy, trades for a pg are sure to follow…
2) Blake is willing to be a backup/3rd string pg/mentor/insurance policy….
We should resign Blake because
1) We may need him, or
2) We can trade him later.
The latter is very important. We are going to be way over the salary cap for a long, long time. Therefore, if Blake walks we can only replace him using a mid-level, or bi-annual exception. If we resign him for $4M a year, we can later trade him for approximately $5M in incoming salary and save the exceptions.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Oct 2, 2009 3:22 AM PDT up reply actions
He probably gets a little more than $4 million
but your point is very solid.
The only way we don’t re-sign Blake is if he isn’t happy with his role and wants to go elsewhere.
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And the latter doesn't sound very likely.
Chuck Norris' tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried.
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Oct 2, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Unless Bayless suddenly morphs into Tony Parker
and takes all of Steve’s PT.
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Or, as long as Brandon wants him here...
Blazers: RUN away with the title!
KP: Please don't trade the next decade's Scottie Pippen (Batum), Spanish Larry Bird (Rudy), Bill Russell (GO) or Captain BRoy - at least until they 3-peat..
I just love it when fans psychoanalize players based on their own prejudiced reading of scraps of second hand info from the media....
Over and over we have heard that Bayless is very coachable and extremely eager to please. Prunty said so this summer. Quick said that Nate gave Bayless his cell number and that Jerryd would frequently call him to discuss some aspect of PG play.
Does that sound like a player with a huge “tude” who thinks he knows better than everyone?
I think 90% of your post is you projecting your own opinion on to Bayless.
by upper left corner on Oct 2, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
People tend to think
that “highly motivated and confident” = “proud, arrogant, and uncoachable”.
I thought it was funny, when Jerryd was asked if he was showing the other guys the ropes at Summer League, and he said, “All these guys are older than me.” Sorry, but that isn’t something an arrogant guy who is a locker room cancer is going to say. It just isn’t.
Even if Jerryd is really unhappy and wants out, it isn’t going to hinder the performance on the floor of the other players.
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It's a total non-issue
If he’s unhappy, so what? He’s under contract. He’s a 20 year old kid. 20 year olds are stupid.
This is the Portland Trail Blazers, not the Portland Make Jerryd Happies. He will get over it, and we don’t give away hot young slutty lottery talent because we got 2 old guys ahead of him. This is an issue only for drama queens/kings.
Mortimer
It's a total non-issue
If he’s unhappy, so what? He’s under contract. He’s a 20 year old kid. 20 year olds are stupid.
This is the Portland Trail Blazers, not the Portland Make Jerryd Happies. He will get over it, and we don’t give away hot young slutty lottery talent because we got 2 old guys ahead of him. This is an issue only for drama queens/kings.
Mortimer
Obviously, this was my most brilliant comment ever
Who else has had THREE Morty comments in response to a single comment of their own?
I find that Morty and I are continually agreeing on almost everything, which makes me think he is KP. Nobody else could be right that often.
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by jscot on Oct 2, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The only plausible explanation is this...
You = Morty
Morty = You!!!
That's what tominhawaii thinks
But I’m smarter than Mortimer, and he’s smarter than me.
And I do massively long fanposts, while he does massively long comments. My comments are always succinct, and never wander or repeat themselves, and always use the lowest minimum number of words and phrases to communicate, elaborate, and convey the truths I learned and have absorbed from Morty and all the other brilliant and erudite commentators on Bedge.
The end.
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by jscot on Oct 2, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wish we got Hedo
Then ALL of our position problems would be solved.
"Goals are good. Plans are better." -Ben.
by Sabonis4Ever on Oct 1, 2009 8:48 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
We should just lend him to the Sixers for two years
They need a PG now, and he’ll get a lot more playing time. Then we take him back in 2011.
In soccer that is fairly common. Maybe KP could pioneer it in the NBA.
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
lets do it to okc next
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The question isn't what can we get for Bayless...
…It’s how can Bayless be packaged to get something we want? Someone already mentioned that every year there are teams that have high expectations but fall flat, and then choose to make some moves. Portland needs to identify these teams, determine if there is a key ROTATION PLAYER that is attainable. Not a player who provides depth or experience, but a player who we feel would be an upgrade to one of our starters. Then we package Bayless along with the starter we’d be replacing (and perhaps more) to bring in that prized upgrade. ONLY in this scenario will Bayless be freed.
So if our starters are: Oden, Aldridge, Batum, Roy and Miller, what players are out there who would be UPGRADES at these positions. Pick a team that is likely to underachieve, look at their starters, target your man and make it happen.
Your comment assumes that Bayless has no utlity here in Portland
Ask yourself what position on the team is the only one that does not have a long term starter? Answer: PG
Ask yourself what player is the only one on the roster who has the potential to fill that vacancy? Answer: Bayless
Trading Bayless is incredibly short-sighted unless you are certain that he will never develop into a PG. Arriving at that conclusion, based on 600 minutes of PT as a 19 year old rookie, with a player of Bayless’ physical tools, work ethic, and pedigree just seems dumb, IMHO.
by upper left corner on Oct 2, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with you in part...
I agree that PG is the only position with a YOUNG starter or backup (other than Bayless himself). I believe THIS is the position we should try to upgrade using Bayless along with others to do so. Keeping Bayless is a possibility if you believe he could develop into a backup PG (right now I don’t even view him as a legit backup PG), but I honestly have seen VERY LITTLE propensity on his part to play this role. I concede that he has not had much opportunity to play but I just don’t see him developing enough.
So I would prefer that, if the right team struggles, ie, a team with a good young point guard, that we package Bayless, Blake, Outlaw, Webster, Rudy, Batum or whatever combination of non-starters is needed to make the deal work.
The other position I would look at is small forward if one of the current players doesn’t demonstrate he is indispensible.
Funnily enough
I actually place more weight on KP’s and Nate’s opinion of Jerryd’s ability to become a quality PG than I place on your opinion….
If they didn’t think we have a potential long term solution, they probably would have targeted Sessions. That tells us how concerned they are about the long term PG situation. It isn’t a priority right now — which means they are fairly optimistic about Bayless over the long term, and fairly pessimistic about him this year — thus, Andre.
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by jscot on Oct 2, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
unless they thought that sessions wasn't a long term solution.
Which is entirely possible. Sessions is a decent player, but a has few holes in his game at this point.
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
my last.fm
The Bayless naysayers
think he’s far better than Jerryd. It would have been a decent PG rotation to have Blake and Sessions, not just for the next two years, either. A good enough rotation to compete for titles, given our other strengths.
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You are wise...I place more weight on their opinion than mine too.
However, I don’t see the optimism from them that you do. Maybe you have spoken with them but I am just basing my opinion on what I see:
Poor summer league performance (too many TOs, too few assists)
Few minutes in reg season/playoffs
Signing Miller
No communication from KP/Nate to reassure him or make him feel better
Could it be that the right scenario has not yet presented itself to bring in a young PG? I think so.
KP has always said a lot of good things about Jerryd
He also said, when he thought he had an agreement with Turkoglu, that he wasn’t done, but PG wasn’t a priority.
He also said in the last couple of days that Jerryd would probably be starting with some teams.
They also said they expected Jerryd to learn a lot from watching and being around Miller.
And Joe Prunty laughed at the idea that Jerryd’s SL performance called his future as a PG into question.
The acquisition of Miller just says that they aren’t convinced Jerryd is ready to be at Miller’s level this year, so Miller makes us better. We all knew Jerryd wasn’t at that level, anyway.
Miller was our third target, so that tells you how worried they were about our PG rotation of Steve and Jerryd. What if we had got Millsap? We would have had NO cap space to go after another PG, so we would have been rolling into the season with Steve, Jerryd, and some vet on a minimum contract as our PGs. That tells you something about how much they believe in Jerryd.
Note also that if Jerryd develops this year, Miller can be traded as early as next summer as an expiring contract. The whole structure of Miller’s contract tells you that they think there is a good possibility that the long term solution is on the roster already.
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Hmmmm...
On the one hand:
KP said…
They said…
They also said…
Prunty laughed…
People say lots of things. Talk is cheap.
On the other hand:
They signed Miller…
They haven’t bothered to communicate with Bayless (according to Bayless)…
They don’t give Bayless playing time…
When he gets it he doesn’t play well…
Actions speak louder than words.
The whole structure of Miller’s contract tells me that he is aging and they need to keep their options open.
I guess I just have another perspective than you. I hope you are right because I love Jerryd’s work ethic, drive, focus, and tough demeanor.
As far as playing time and stuff goes
We were a good team only interested in giving development minutes to our big man, not to a PG. It makes sense he wouldn’t play much, even if he has a chance at a bright future.
If he was on Minny, the Thunder, name your bad team, he’d likely put up Westbrook numbers. We just don’t want to go through the growing pains on the court right now, even if it would develop him faster.
He’s the only young high-potential guard in his peers who is on a good team (with Rose being on a decent team, and being way ahead of Bayless right now). His situation is just different, and not playing doesn’t mean as much on a good team.
One year as a raw 19/20 year old doesn’t mean much. He didn’t do well, but he has the potential to do very well.
Mortimer
On this team
We won’t necessarily know what Bayless can become after NEXT season even.
BUT, he’s under contract, and no matter what still is extremely young and with a great body and skillset to work with next to Roy. He’s a bonus, to see how he turns out. Ya only move him to get a surefire awesome piece.
M—
It's a gamble but an extremely low risk one, with a potential for an extremely high pay off.
I still think he’ll be a thinking man’s Monta Ellis, with the ability to defend.
—M
Tri-polar?
Blazers: RUN away with the title!
KP: Please don't trade the next decade's Scottie Pippen (Batum), Spanish Larry Bird (Rudy), Bill Russell (GO) or Captain BRoy - at least until they 3-peat..
excellent assesment
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Oct 2, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
assessment
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Oct 2, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
assessin
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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ass
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LMA(O)!
Blazers: RUN away with the title!
KP: Please don't trade the next decade's Scottie Pippen (Batum), Spanish Larry Bird (Rudy), Bill Russell (GO) or Captain BRoy - at least until they 3-peat..
Thank you jscot,for illuminating the conversation with a bit of logic. Furthermore.....
…….if you look back at the Hedo deal, it certainly suggests that KP had confidence that Bayless was ready to play back-up, because all the cap space would have been gone and Blake and Bayless were the only two points on the roster.
by upper left corner on Oct 2, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Great Idea!!!
Except we signed Andre Miller and not Ramon Sessions. So we need to keep Bayless.
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by 123_G.O._RipCity on Oct 1, 2009 10:54 PM PDT reply actions
Bayless is not a point guard...
So why is it necessary to keep him, when we might be able to trade him and get one??
lol
like your definition of what a PG should be holds any value what so ever for the Blazers…
Nate Mac constantly talks about having “Just guards” out there. Two guys who can both get theirs and run the offense. That’s why he’s working with Rudy on running the P n R. The most important thing is PG defense. Jerryd is going to learn a lot defending Miller and Blake in practice.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Oct 2, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with you. Excellent points.
By the way, I have no illusions that the Blazers value my opinions. However, I am finding that there are some on this blog who do not! That’s cool with me. I enjoy the feedback.
Don't get us wrong
I value your opinion and feedback. It’s just that in this case, my take on KP’s and Nate’s opinion is in conflict with your opinion.
You lose. :)
Except that I’m arrogant enough to weight my own opinion highly, too, and it happens to agree with my take on KP’s and Nate’s. I think Jerryd is going to be a good enough facilitator within a year or two to be a really nice combo guard next to Brandon, ability to shoot the 3 better than Miller, but with better ability to take it to the rack, draw fouls, and score than Blake has. And with better ability to defend PGs than either Andre or Steve.
In other words, I doubt he’ll ever be a classic “pure” PG, but I don’t care. We want a guy who can bring the ball up court, do a decent job of running the offense, but also be an off-the-ball threat when Brandon is operating. If he is effective at defending PGs, that really helps. And if he is effective at turning steals and quick breaks into easy buckets, that’s a plus. I can see Jerryd being all of those things, though he’ll never be Steve Nash.
But it would be poor synergy to put Nash and Brandon together. I see Bayless becoming the perfect fit for Roy. Not now. But maybe sooner than we think.
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Very wise of you.
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ty
no prob, just tired of the subjective pg definitions.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
And neither is Tony Parker nor Derrick Rose
""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims
What are you smoking, dude?
Derrick Rose (2008-2009 @ 20 Years Old): 28.8% Assist Percentage.
Tony Parker (2002-2003 @ 20 Years Old): 27.9% Assist Percentage.
Jerryd Bayless (2008-2009 @ 20 Years Old): 18.2% Assist Percentage.
Homerism is a disease that must be cured.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
It will be easier
to cure all forms of cancer, and AIDS.
You’ve set yourself a sad and lonely task.
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"So let it be written, so let it be done."
I’m sure you can appreciate that adage.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
I've used it myself on occasion
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Rose had a terrible pure point rating in college, has a long ways to go to become a proficient pick and roll player, ...
Parker is a bad bad outside shooter (something I always hear our point guard needs to have), wasn’t considered a good passer at all when entering the league, played so bad defense that Pop considered sending him home, …
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to believe Bayless can be just as good as non-pure guards like Ellis, Westbrook, and yes also Rose, Arenas, Parker.
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
It sure seems like a stretch to me but I'd love to see it come to fruition.
It’s also not unreasonble to believe he can be just as good as Robert Pack, TR Dunn, and yes also Pooh Jeter. (Just stirring the pot now).
T.R. Dunn was a defensive stopper at the wing, so that's a whole different ballgame.
In the NBA today, Quinton Ross might just as well be the closest comparison to Dunn.
If you want to look back into Trail Blazer history, James “Hollywood” Robinson’s rookie campaign could be the closest comparison from a past era for Jerryd Bayless’ woeful performance last season.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
Keep Bayless
Blakey’s contract expires after this year, and Miller’s can be off the books after next year, and we’re done picking in the lottery, so we need to keep Bayless around. Plus, we have depth at every position. What would you hope to get by trading Jerryd that’s better than what we have?
Finally, two words that still haunt Blazer fans: Jermaine O’Neal. Bayless is 21 years old, it’s not like he’s hit his ceiling, give the Baylessaurus Rex some time…
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by Clevelander among roses on Oct 1, 2009 11:31 PM PDT reply actions
You are assuming that Bayless will become effective...
playing the point. I believe we need to move to get a better long term PG than Bayless. Comparing him to Jermaine is very apples and oranges. We never had a similar issue with Jermaine. No one ever said, “gee I wonder if Jermaine will ever develop into a center”. We all knew what he was, the Blazers just didn’t think he would end up as good as he was at center. With Bayless, he does not fit into the PG position at this point in his career. He does not have the skill set or the mindset. He will need to change his stripes to ever become a good PG in the NBA.
Anyway, as I stated before, I think it would be wise to upgrade at PG at the right time to replace Blake/Miller because of their age. Leaving the future of this roster in the hands of a young potential PG that is such an unknown is just crazy.
If a young quality PG becomes available at a decent price
what you ask may happen.
Those guys are prized commodities.
If Bayless doesn’t work out, we’ll trade Andre in his last year for another veteran, or grab one with our MLE.
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totally agree.
I’m hoping for a fire sale from some team wanting to save money. I haven’t perused rosters to know which teams might find themselves wanting to dump a good young PG. Anyone have ideas on this?
Let's see
1. Deron Williams. Never happen under any scenario.
2. Chris Paul. Only if he demands a trade, and it would cost at least LMA, Rudy, Nic, and the firstborn of every Portlander.
3. Devin Harris. Only if the can’t get any free agents to come next summer, and they decide to completely blow it up, and Rod Thorn has a sudden onset of senile dementia. In other words, won’t happen.
4. Rose. Very likely he’ll be available. In 2028.
5. Tony Parker. If Manu retires, Duncan suffers a career-ending injury, Jefferson gets shot by his ex-fiancee, and they are below .400 at the trading deadline, Parker might come available.
I’m struggling to think of any others that are relatively young, any better than Blake, and likely to become available. Oh, there’s one guy who might be available, has a lot of potential but is still very raw, that we could take a gamble on.
Jerryd Bayless.
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Yes...we are currently taking that gamble.
You are right though. The chances are about as slim as the Lakers landing Pau Gasol for next to nothing.
It's not a gamble
when he’s sitting behind Miller and Blake… :)
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I'm not laughing, I'm just listing the five ugliest Blazers ever."
- rockingharder
Exactly!
It is almost no risk whatsoever, especially on a team where if Blake or Miller get hurt, ya got Roy sitting right there, able to be a better PG than anyone.
And hell, maybe Rudy can do it a lil’ more now too.
There is almost no risk, unless the risk is not getting a surefire player for Bayless in a trade. BUT, that isn’t what most suggest. They suggest moving him because he doesn’t fit right now or because he’s unhappy.
And in this theoretical trade, it better be a hum dinger of a trade. We don’t need a Bayless for Dale Davis move.
Morty
The gamble is standing pat with Bayless
as your future point guard while not giving him the minutes to develop into that player. I don’t see how he will get this opportunity (barring injury of course) if the Blazers are chasing titles. The news that Nate wants to run Rudy more alongside Roy further cuts into Bayless’ opportunity.
He is just on the outside looking in with very little prospect of getting “in”. That’s why I think he will be packaged with other valuable assets to bring in another guard.
The hope is
That he can outplay/prove himself in practice, to earn more minutes on the court, and gradually take over as a rotation player and then eventually be a starter.
It can happen that way, there doesn’t need to be a trade or minutes forced onto him.
It’s a situation we should let sit and then reanalyze at the end of this season. Last season is a mulligan.
M—
And as long as we got Blake and Miller
It isn’t that much of a gamble, and it’s an educated risk at that.
If Bayless crashes and burns, we’ll have options.
Morty
But for the sake of argument
What guard that fits our timeline and would be available for a Bayless-based trade package do you have in mind?
I don’t think there is one right now, and it’s something to figure out later, IF Bayless doesn’t work out. Even in 2 years he’ll be a high potential super athletic big combo guard who has good trade value, since everyone will know he’s playing behind two solid vets.
But for the sake of argument, do you have any PGs in mind we could move Bayless for?
Mort
Even if Chris Paul asks for a trade, George Shinn would sell the New Orleans Hornets ...
before accommodating the desires of that cash cow. Although Shinn is definitely a shady, underhanded creep, he’s not an idiot. If Shinn has one thing in his eyes, it’s dollar signs.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
Rondo could become available
Boston did not seem overly happy with his ‘tude. Though I don’t think I’d want him for the same reason.
The Celtics would demand at least Rudy and Miller, if not much much more in return.
KG and Pierce aren’t getting younger.
"I think he can still play" - Kevin Pritchard on Juwan Howard
Rondo won't become available
unless injuries or something close Boston’s window.
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If a great deal comes along that requires Bayless as part of a package, do it.
Otherwise, we should know by the trading deadline if Bayless is still the #3 PG, or the #4 PG. If he is still #3 PG keep him, otherwise I’d try very hard to trade him in a package or for a draft pick.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Oct 2, 2009 1:45 AM PDT reply actions
Jerryd's pre-game music choice
When Israel was in Egypt’s land,
Let My people go!
Oppressed so hard they could not stand,
Let My people go!
Refrain:
Go down, Moses,
Way down in Egypt’s land;
Tell old Pharaoh
To let My people go!
No more shall they in bondage toil,
Let My people go!
Let them come out with Egypt’s spoil,
Let My people go!
Oh, let us all from bondage flee,
Let My people go!
And let us all in Christ be free,
Let My people go!
You need not always weep and mourn,
Let My people go!
And wear these slav’ry chains forlorn,
Let My people go!
Your foes shall not before you stand,
Let My people go!
And you’ll possess fair Canaan’s land,
Let My people go!
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by jscot on Oct 2, 2009 2:08 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Blake and Miller are old
I’ll take Bayless as my backup in case one of those guys goes down with an injury over some d league scrub who would have to play catch-up.
Blazer Fan
This short term reason + the obvious long term need for a young talented PG are why it is obvious we should keep Bayless.
Who cares what the kid thinks (not to purposefully piss him off), we’ve got goals, and they may include him as a starter even next year.
Hold Bayless Hostage!
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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At point guard, I'd feel more comfortable with Mateen Cleaves as a floor general over Jerrryd Bayless.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
It's that third "r" that scares me.
Now, aside from me mocking my own typos, my point is that I’d trust Mateen Cleaves as an actual playmaker over Jerryd Bayless. Although I do rag on Nate McMillan for certain things, I fully support him in his hatred of turnovers and undersized shooting guards masquerading at the 1.
Stupid people have stupid ideas.
Blake's not that old.
He’s like 27 or 28. That’s about where a player’s career typically peaks, isn’t it? But Bayless is a good third string point guard who could hold it down if one of them gets injured.
Yeah, Blake is in his prime
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Typical immature response....
Look at the big picture please. When Miller is fading, Bayless will be ready to take over his spot. Bayless would be starting his JUNIOR year in college if he stayed at AZ. He is learning and will gain more knowledge practicing and playing with Dre this season then he has learned in his previous 20.
Bayless will be fine.
Wow
He’s had 20 previous seasons? He must have been playing before he was a year old.
That’s dedication, man. No wonder he developed bad shooting habits and had to have his shot rebuilt. Kind of hard to have a good jump shot in a diaper.
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by jscot on Oct 2, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Purposefully mistaking other people is the best kind of humor.
Though it does ruin the philosopher’s perspective of always trying to give the other person’s response the best possible meaning…
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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It should only be done in fun
Thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt that it was purposeful rather than just stupid….
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what if he doesn't develop as you think? Bayless is a long shot.
Then we are screwed and have a championship roster with no competent PG in 2 or 3 years. We have to have a plan B which should include a KNOWN PG of quality. Bayless is a tweener with a chance of becoming a good PG, but I am just not comfortable pinning the hopes of this franchise on such a long shot!
As long as he can d up pg's that's all we need
Franchise hopes are on the big 3. Rafer Alston and DFish were starting PG’s in the finals this year. He just needs to be OK, not all world.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Oct 2, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
The last thing I'm worried about is a PG in 2-3 years.
We’ll eventually end up with a 3-guard rotation. Obviously Brandon is one of those guards. When Miller departs Blake, Bayless, or Rudy potentially fill the other two slots.
Rudy will either become a backup PG (plus backup SG) or he won’t be here 2-3 years from now (just not enough minutes). If Rudy fails at PG, we could get an excellent PG for him, so at worst we will have Roy and two of Blake, Bayless, Rudy, or an excellent PG for Rudy in trade. We could also use Miller as an expiring contract in a deal, or if Rudy stays we won’t be able to keep both Webster and Batum happy at SF (with no backup SG minutes available), and one of them will be expendable for a PG.
Bottom line – we are loaded at PG with Miller and Blake. and we have two current contenders for PG in Bayless and Rudy, and a ton of trade assets we can convert into an excellent veteran PG or a hot young prospect.
Worry about a backup PF/C. That’s the weak link now.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Oct 2, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
unrec
Trade Bayless? You have to be high. He is a talent, but if he truly wants to be a professional he will improve to level of the team, not go to a weaker team just to play more.
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
I would be ok with it
and I am not even too particular about who we get for Bayless either.
Under winter skies
We stand glorious
And with Oden on our side
We are victorious
If my calculations are correct, and they almost always are...
…then we will be letting a 7 time NBA all star, 3 time NBA defensive team, 2 time finals MVP player go and “thrive” in another market. He’s 21 years old, he has one NBA season under his belt. He’s in the perfect situation right now. Playing behind two guys who are on the steep downslope of their playing career.
How long did it take Devin Harris to adjust to the NBA game?
PS: Can a moderator change my screen name? My calculations suggest that Trent Edwards wont be inducted into the HoF until 2019. I did not forsee this early season struggle in his career arc.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Oct 8, 2009 7:07 AM PDT reply actions
I'm persuaded
I’ve always been optimistic about Jerryd, but this post has finally persuaded me to give up on him. :)
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