Memphis Grizzlies re-sign Darius Miles
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TORONTO — Grizzlies general manager Chris Wallace said Friday night the team has signed veteran forward Darius Miles to a 10-day contract.
Amid simmering controversy, the move sets the stage for Miles to continue a comeback attempt from major knee surgery and adversely affect his former team’s salary cap situation in the process.
Thought it was worth a FanShot.
Correct me if i'm wrong..
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"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
well the lawyers will be making some $$ with this one
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
Talk about taking the wind out of the Blazers' sails
Memphis signed him the first time before anyone knew that the preseason counted. Therefore, no argument can be made that they are trying to screw the Blazers.
the also played him junk minutes only in front of others who were sitting & waiting
In each game….
I think they are just pressing the issue…
O well let the front offices fight it out…it’s only $ – - -the whole set-up (CBA) sucks and could stand some work…courts are good for that sometimes
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
The other night I saw a Grizz box score and it only listed 1 SF...
It was like PG, PG, PG, SG, SG, SF, PF, PF, PF, C, C
or something like that.
They’re honestly short at the 3, I think. Don’t assume this is necessarily a kneecap-the-Blazers move…
From their perspective: it gives ’em another 10 days to make the decision on pulling the trigger on a guaranteed contract.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
yeah...hope he can make something good out of it - -
i mean, all he’s been trying to do all his life is play ball right? so you want to play in the best league you can…it just deserves scrutiny so no ones gettin used too hard
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
Au contraire
By reports all Darius has tired to do is take the money and not work for it. his whole life.
whoo, Katy bar the door! - Maurice Lucas anticipating Greg Oden's development
Incorrect about only playing in garbage time
Miles was in the second unit for 5 minutes of the second quarter vs. Minnesota – and he actually looked decent. I think Hollinger wrote a piece about how he probably shouldn’t have ever been medically retired. Bottom line is that the Blazers thought they got lucky and it turns out they didn’t. Quit with the conspiracy theories and just deal with it.
well...go Darius..
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
and Hollinger did his Ortho specialty where?
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
uh...
miles played 7 minutes in that game and shot 0-2. but yeah, I’m sure he looked good out there.
The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave
by chrischa on Jan 9, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
REK
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by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
thats a sweet signature, Bust a Bucket!
The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave
OMG!!! hahaha, so is yours
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
You can see for yourself
I don’t think he looked any worse than Oden does most nights. The game can be seen at http://www.onenation.dox4.com/, the Minny game was 1/6 and Darius entered at the start of the 2nd quarter.
Yup, I saw it.
No one’s saying he looked like a star. People are saying that he blocked 2 shots (one on a 20/10 guy, Jefferson), looked very good on D, and overall simply didn’t look out of place. I don’t know how bad his knee is, but he can sure still jump out the gym.
by plinytheelder on Jan 9, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Actually one of his shots was blocked by Kevin Love
The jumper he just missed.
whoo, Katy bar the door! - Maurice Lucas anticipating Greg Oden's development
I'm talking about the shots he blocked.
One was a jumper by Al Jefferson, the other a floater by Randy Foye.
by plinytheelder on Jan 9, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
he actually wasn't that high on the Foye block (by NBA standards)
he just took a big swing and hit it hard.
Boomshakalaka
kinda' looked like a chick playing spiking a volleyball or smashing a tennis lob
he jumped, but not super high, yet smacked it down pretty hard.
If you think I'm insulting you, I'm insulted that you'd even think that I would think of insulting you.
He may have even let out a Serena Williams or Maria Sharapova-esque grunt when he did it.
If you think I'm insulting you, I'm insulted that you'd even think that I would think of insulting you.
that's not hard
The’re wolves player….
my grandmother could score 30 points on them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj8DgWnbVng&feature=bz303
MVP *** MVP *** MVP
I've never scored more than 38 ..... not even in Little League.
Order, i'll hav order!
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
depends on how long they play him
if its still only 2-3 games then let his contract expire without signing him to a new one then the blazers still have grounds. if they play him more, extend his contract and give him a chance….not so much
Memphis has nothing to play for anyways
Playing Darius can only make them worse thereby getting 266k in PA’s money AND helping them get more ping pong balls in the lottery
by trailblazersfan on Jan 9, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
It's a good thing we have 3 or 4 games against Memphis left this season
Think Shav would be willing do some time in the clink to help out the team for next season?
tell Shave to pack his crowbar
on those trips…
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by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully they recognize our sick humor... :-)
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
of course not
inevitably we’ll get some db from another forum (cordobes?) reporting that BE posters are a bunch of heartless and callous ruffians who ALL suggest (sincerely no less) that Miles should be bludgeoned to near death. Then he will use his well honed evaluation skills to resolve that BE fans are the lowest form of scum, have no redeeming qualities whatsoever, and to a person could never approach the admirable qualities of their own fans (who, ironically, are likely widely esteemed (/s) Boston fans).
"I never scored more than 38, even in Little League." ~ Roy, 52 pts
Cordobes is the worst kind of blog lackey
with his arrogant little crap over at Celtics Blog…
Open Letter to Celtics Blog:
Your record since Christ's birthday is 2 wins and 7 LOSSES. This has to do with the Curse of the Banned Bloggers, when your henchmen banned a dozen BlazersEdge regulars for a couple of frivolous comments. Hey Todo... I mean Jeff Clark: We're not in 1939 Germany any more. Reinstate us or the curse will continue. You shouldn't rule a blog with an iron first like that--because karma and payback is a powerful thing.
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 10, 2009 1:34 AM PST up reply actions
(OT) forced to agree about Cordobes-- example
Before the PTB/Celtics game he went off on LA being like Charmin (squeezably soft) and when Lamarcus manned up to KG and fought back leading the TrailBlazer win, Cordobes had NOTHING to say.
Of course, it is extremely difficult for many many people to ADMIT IT when they are WRONG.
"The mounting minde that climes the hauty cliftes...Intoxicats the braine with guiddy drifts, Then rowles, and reeles, and falles at length plum ripe" .--- From Thomas Hughes’ 1588 The Misfortunes of Arthur:
Um, the rest of the league already thinks poorly of us. Lets not give them further reason.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
they should be able to demonstrate a valid need at that position
or this is an odd use of the 10 day patch work player model – - again misconstuing a league rule for gain – - Memphiss….looking out on a limb a bit….
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
See above. The decision to waive him and sign him to a 10 day makes GOOD SENSE for them -- 10 cheap days to further evaluate...
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
Crikey is right!
RIP Steve Irwin.
"I saw him in the face"
by RoodiePhirnandizz on Jan 9, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
I hope Milsap chop blocks Darius
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by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
how ironic would it be if he re-injures that knee right after killing our cap space. I have a feeling he will re-injure it but I hope not.
by dario argento on Jan 9, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
I have a feeling he will
and do not opening hope it happens (that would give me a bad rep)
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by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
If his knee is even close to what the doctor said it was, he'll re-injure it.
Its just sad that he feels he has something to prove and won’t take care of his body before his ego.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
I Just hope he & Memphis aren't working together to help improve their postion in next years free agency market
It’s the last thing the league needs
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
The dark horse in the class of ’10….Darius Miles!
My HDTV is a JustinTV streamer who doesn't just use a webcam :(
by inroywetrust on Jan 10, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
right away
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
that was NOT a response to chop block But to how soon will he play - - 1st day
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
it should have been a response to both
Come on, you know I’m a Shave homer.. now back me up for once…. jk.
Open Letter to Celtics Blog:
Your record since Christ's birthday is 2 wins and 7 LOSSES. This has to do with the Curse of the Banned Bloggers, when your henchmen banned a dozen BlazersEdge regulars for a couple of frivolous comments. Hey Todo... I mean Jeff Clark: We're not in 1939 Germany any more. Reinstate us or the curse will continue. You shouldn't rule a blog with an iron first like that--because karma and payback is a powerful thing.
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
PA should pull a Tanya Harding on Darius
“WHY WHY WHY”
by trailblazersfan on Jan 9, 2009 8:26 PM PST reply actions
Hell no - - he should play if he can - -
they just think they can get this over on us (MEMphis)…well they will incur some hassle and cost if they ain’t real with Darius cause both us AND darius and the players assoc will be on their ass if they are just screwing around….big gamble from such a lame team
My feeling is that they are usin Darius as a pawn to hurt us and would not be giving him this shot without the weird warped med retirement situation…
BUT proving that…? Let them look the db part for having played out this BS, DON’t file suit and let the thing play out at the league level…Buh Bye and Memphis…we got our eyes on you – -
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
I sincerely hope they aren't using him.
It would be nice to see this whole mess resolved as peaceably as possible, and that would mean that someone signs him for the rest of the season and he plays a respectable role on the team. Then PA and Co. can walk away from the threat saying that is all they expected out of it and hopefully the animosity ends there.
Perhaps the team’s efforts to draw attention to his problem with the rules in the CBA will grease the skids to get the rule changed and his salary off the books.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
One thing I just don't get.
Who are the Grizzlies doing this for?
Themselves? If so, for what purpose?
I mean, so far it doesn’t come off like them thinking Darius is in their long term plans. So there must be some reason they’re so gung-ho about it.
according to one of the recent epsn posts
(sorry i dont have the link)
memphis is one of the 5 teams that will have cap space this summer. this is just a hit job on a competetor in the FA market this summer for them.
Sometimes the most simple solution is the right one: they're short at SF, and Darius is the prospect of something for next-to-nothing to fill a hole...
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Jan 9, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
yup
or at least this is a perfect response to any accusation of wrongdoing. Guy can play.
by plinytheelder on Jan 9, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Multiple reasons
1. They are bad at SF.
2. Darius is super cheap at SF.
3. It means more luxury tax getting paid, and they get a share of that.
4. It means one less team getting a share of the luxury tax payments, which means a big pot is divided among fewer teams, so they get a larger share of all the other luxury tax payments.
5. It means free agents will cost less this summer, because one more team has less cap space, so they can more easily compete.
They will play it as it’s all about 1 & 2, but it’s about the others as well. If they only play him two games, Portland will play it as it’s all about 3, 4, & 5. If they can come up with enough emails, etc. that support their argument, it may cost Memphis a lot of money. If not, it won’t.
I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.
What is the point of cap space is no one of any quality wants to play there?
Correct me if i’m wrong, but isn’t Darko the biggest FA signing in Grizzly history?
Why not?
He was very good in his last appearance.
by plinytheelder on Jan 9, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
Did you see the game?
Blocked the shot of Al Jefferson, one of 3 20/10 guys in the league. Blocked Randy Foye’s shot into the 3rd row, and Foye was the best player on the floor that night. Rebounded, filled the lane…was basically a beast.
by plinytheelder on Jan 9, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
League Pass is handy
Keep in mind that while I disagree on how Darius looked… in the bigger picture, I’m much more concerned about him getting permanently injured in a game. I really don’t want that to happen.
So I’m frustrated a team is playing him when independent doctors say that playing time will likely cause serious knee damage.
mmm likely ... probable .. possible
D needs to make the call….lotsa people have knee replacements…few get to jam in the NBA…most X NFL’ers use crutches occasionally…
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
Didn't D make the call when he signed the retirement papers?
Re: NFL, you’re correct. But that’s happening to healthy players. The NFL wears down people in a hurry, it’s a big complaint actually.
As far as I know, no NFL team has knowingly played a player in Darius’ condition though.
what do you mean by Darius' condition?
people play in the NFL all the time on really balky knees. Here is the story of one guy who did and is now fighting to keep his leg:
(fair warning: really icky picture of the guys knee)
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/080829&sportCat=nfl
Ugh, not up for looking at icky knee pictures this morning
Thanks for the heads up, much appreciated.
I’ll try to read it later. But if it involves a player who was injured, played anyway, and may now lose his leg.. that kinda backs why the independent doc wants Darius retired.
Of course, the NFL is a mess regarding long-term player injuries… I haven’t had a chance to look up any forced-retirement rules in the NFL.
slightly on the morbid side of this
is the fact that if he does re-injure his knee it will totally turn around the perception around the league regarding the ridiculous notion that they were trying to keep him from playing and he wasn’t really that bad off.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
I'm really worried that might be the ending to this situation.
I’d hate to see it happen. It would change perception considerably, but would be a terrible way to do so.
I hope it doesn't happen either,
but it seems that is the only way the media will get the correct story out there.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
The entire media would turn on the NBA the next day
“HOW COULD THE NBA LET DARIUS MILES PLAY IN THAT CONDITION!!?”
Sigh.
Those are the times where dangerously brandishing a gun becomes attractive.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
You go, Darius!
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Jan 9, 2009 8:30 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Darius is a cancer to society
He brandished a firearm in a strip club parking lot in SE Portland.
I had a friend in college who was an exotic dancer and paid her way through school. Darius threatens innocent people like her with his toxic behavior.
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by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
Shocked I am
That any unsavory behavior could ever occur at a strip (excuse me, exotic) club
This is better for the Blazers anyway in the long run...
…………………………….. Torts are like playground basketball — No Blood, No Foul…
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
rec, the response of most blazers fans to this is disgusting
honor rasheed wallace
i like ike
by Zaron5551 on Jan 9, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
unrec
Darius is a disgusting human being. He’s like Plaxico Burris, carrying weapons to clubs and such.
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Your record since Christ's birthday is 2 wins and 7 LOSSES. This has to do with the Curse of the Banned Bloggers, when your henchmen banned a dozen BlazersEdge regulars for a couple of frivolous comments. Hey Todo... I mean Jeff Clark: We're not in 1939 Germany any more. Reinstate us or the curse will continue. You shouldn't rule a blog with an iron first like that--because karma and payback is a powerful thing.
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
Why aren't you spewing about another ex-Blazer like Sebastian Telfair, who brought a handgun on a team plane?
Why the double standard for Darius???
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
Maybe because this is a post on Darius not Telfair
by trailblazersfan on Jan 9, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
exactly... go start a Bassy post
and I will be there to spew hatred.
I don’t like JailBlazers, sorry.
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by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
that's not the point, i've never seen these much vitriol against any other former blazer
honor rasheed wallace
i like ike
You clearly missed out on the post Bonzi and Rasheed days then.
by TSE on Jan 9, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
no i wasn't on a board like this, but i was a fan at the time and i don't recall anyone wishing either of those guys serious physical injury
honor rasheed wallace
i like ike
exactly.
To me that stuff is even more bush league than Pritchard’s letter. These are banning offenses.
by plinytheelder on Jan 9, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
where has somebody "wish Darius a physical injury" ???
you are making things up… nobody has said that.
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by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
yeah - that's bush league.
Banning offense, if there’s a moderator on here.
by plinytheelder on Jan 9, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't say I want Darius to get hurt... you're reading things into my statement Zaron
and Pliny, please chill out as Tinfoil said…
we don’t need outsiders moderating us. Thanks, but no thanks.
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by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
you'd be surprised
word on the street is that Darius has a pretty resilient knee.
He can withstand a chop block or two.
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by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
The point is, I don't want Darius to get hurt
I just want Milsap to scare him…
Pliny decided to take these statements out of proportion and claim that people should be banned. That’s not his place to say stuff like that.
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by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
I recall people wishing physical
harm on Wallace after he got his ring and then made some real jackass comments about it when he was back in Portland.
by TSE on Jan 9, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
while i agree
that he may be a disgusting player back then…i don’t think carrying weapons makes him all that bad all of a sudden…besides what if he ended up changing his ways? he is a father after all now…i haven’t heard of him doing anything stupid lately as well.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 9, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Saddam Hussein was a father too...
doesn’t make him a good person.
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by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
lol
by Philthyanimal on Jan 9, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
money and power corrupt people too
don’t be so naive
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by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
darius is playing for the league minimum...
by Philthyanimal on Jan 9, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
if he was as lazy and unmotivated
as he was back 4 years ago…then why try to make a comeback when he can sit on his butt and collect money for doing nothing?
by Philthyanimal on Jan 11, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
Because...
He’s approx 30 years old, and next year he will get 9 mil. I don’t know the guy, but I am going to guess (based on what I have seen and read about him) that he hasn’t done a real good job of investing his money for the future. What else can the guy do? He may be getting 18 mil in the next two years, but what if he has nothing right now? What if he has been blowing all his money?
Frank Brickowski was on talkin ball last night talking about how Darius is a good kid, who has grown up alot in the last few years. Got married had a kid yadda yadda yadda. It could just be that the guy wants to do the only thing he knows to make money to support his family.
I wasn't sure if the comeback was due to a money management thing
Or if he was simply angry at how Portland treated him.
It sounded like both sides soured in their relationship here.
thats my point
his money is guaranteed anyways…hes gonna get 9 mill this year and next year even if he sits at home and is a cancer at home.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 11, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
guns are inanimate objects
they aren’t inherently evil.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
are you saying Darius is evil?
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Your record since Christ's birthday is 2 wins and 7 LOSSES. This has to do with the Curse of the Banned Bloggers, when your henchmen banned a dozen BlazersEdge regulars for a couple of frivolous comments. Hey Todo... I mean Jeff Clark: We're not in 1939 Germany any more. Reinstate us or the curse will continue. You shouldn't rule a blog with an iron first like that--because karma and payback is a powerful thing.
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
No
I’m saying that merely having a gun or having a concealed weapons permit doesn’t make one inherently violent or dangerous.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
i agree
but brandishing it in a strip club parking lot is inherently dangerous… i can only lead to bad things.
If Darius was merely protecting himself, he would have called the police shortly after the incident. By not doing so, it makes it look like he was part of the problem.
Open Letter to Celtics Blog:
Your record since Christ's birthday is 2 wins and 7 LOSSES. This has to do with the Curse of the Banned Bloggers, when your henchmen banned a dozen BlazersEdge regulars for a couple of frivolous comments. Hey Todo... I mean Jeff Clark: We're not in 1939 Germany any more. Reinstate us or the curse will continue. You shouldn't rule a blog with an iron first like that--because karma and payback is a powerful thing.
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
were you there?
what does brandishing mean anyway? were shots fired, or was he just simply showing it off to his friends in a non-threatening way which someone else misinterpreted?
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
they weren't his friends
read the police report
Open Letter to Celtics Blog:
Your record since Christ's birthday is 2 wins and 7 LOSSES. This has to do with the Curse of the Banned Bloggers, when your henchmen banned a dozen BlazersEdge regulars for a couple of frivolous comments. Hey Todo... I mean Jeff Clark: We're not in 1939 Germany any more. Reinstate us or the curse will continue. You shouldn't rule a blog with an iron first like that--because karma and payback is a powerful thing.
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
got a link?
I read the articles about it, there was nothing about any hostility in it.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
do a FOIA request with Portland Police
Open Letter to Celtics Blog:
Your record since Christ's birthday is 2 wins and 7 LOSSES. This has to do with the Curse of the Banned Bloggers, when your henchmen banned a dozen BlazersEdge regulars for a couple of frivolous comments. Hey Todo... I mean Jeff Clark: We're not in 1939 Germany any more. Reinstate us or the curse will continue. You shouldn't rule a blog with an iron first like that--because karma and payback is a powerful thing.
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
I have to agree. There are some really gross comments on here.
Is there a moderator at this site?
by plinytheelder on Jan 9, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
Yep. They try to give a bit of slack
Sometimes leaving a bad post up is a better punishment than taking it down, too.
Sorry, I guess Portland has higher standards
when it comes to guns in strip club parking lots… foil going through airport metal detectors… Yellow Hummers speeding down the highway while it’s occupants smoke pot…
My bad.
Open Letter to Celtics Blog:
Your record since Christ's birthday is 2 wins and 7 LOSSES. This has to do with the Curse of the Banned Bloggers, when your henchmen banned a dozen BlazersEdge regulars for a couple of frivolous comments. Hey Todo... I mean Jeff Clark: We're not in 1939 Germany any more. Reinstate us or the curse will continue. You shouldn't rule a blog with an iron first like that--because karma and payback is a powerful thing.
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
was he foil boy??? I'm new here
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
Damon used me to store his weed while going through airport security.
by TheTinfoil on Jan 9, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
hahahaha oooohhh, thats funny
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
me neither
but if they do it while driving down I-5 at 80 MPH, then they are putting the lives of others at risk…
sorry, I guess I have higher standards when it comes to responsibility and looking out for other members of society.
Open Letter to Celtics Blog:
Your record since Christ's birthday is 2 wins and 7 LOSSES. This has to do with the Curse of the Banned Bloggers, when your henchmen banned a dozen BlazersEdge regulars for a couple of frivolous comments. Hey Todo... I mean Jeff Clark: We're not in 1939 Germany any more. Reinstate us or the curse will continue. You shouldn't rule a blog with an iron first like that--because karma and payback is a powerful thing.
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
i'm not saying it's right, i was mostly talking about the tinfoil incident, which was just marijuana
honor rasheed wallace
i like ike
oh yeah
that was just stupid… don’t put it in metal, use plastic or something.
you have to know the law and know that you can’t carry weed in metal through an airport. That just made him look stupid more than anythying. Didn’t really hurt anyone, so I agree with you there.
Open Letter to Celtics Blog:
Your record since Christ's birthday is 2 wins and 7 LOSSES. This has to do with the Curse of the Banned Bloggers, when your henchmen banned a dozen BlazersEdge regulars for a couple of frivolous comments. Hey Todo... I mean Jeff Clark: We're not in 1939 Germany any more. Reinstate us or the curse will continue. You shouldn't rule a blog with an iron first like that--because karma and payback is a powerful thing.
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
Does this mean
the Travis for Conley trade is off?
that trade had to be on before it could be off
and it was never on
"The mounting minde that climes the hauty cliftes...Intoxicats the braine with guiddy drifts, Then rowles, and reeles, and falles at length plum ripe" .--- From Thomas Hughes’ 1588 The Misfortunes of Arthur:
If he can play he should
and wouldn’t it be odd if Memphis is doing this to manipulate the FA market…they get called on it…Darius gets some floor time and gets picked up somewhere…it costs us nothing…
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
agreed
of all of the “problem childs” here…he was the tamest one. i think he got a bad wrap as well. part of the bitterness is that he never really lived up to his potential and kinda wasted it away by being stupid. i wanna give him the benefit of the doubt and maybe he is at a different point in his life now.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 9, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Was the statement issued because Portland knew of this deal pending...
and “was aware” (read has evidence of) its intent…?
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
I suspect this signing was a direct result of the email.
by dario argento on Jan 9, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
I'm suggesting the pending signing triggered the email - - or just the waiver clearing timing
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
Right you are.
I’m guessing from this quote -
Count Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley among the NBA owners who took offense. Heisley would not comment publicly but reacted with outrage to the tone of Portland’s note regarding Miles.
- that Heisley might not have signed Miles without said “note.” What goes around comes around.
by plinytheelder on Jan 9, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
but if he signed him out of anger it again is the wrong intent
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
not too hard
just take them to court and bring out all emails between Heisley and Wallace and we will see who is lying.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
if they did have evidence of bad intent in this move
PA’s lawyers are going to take memphis down to chinatown
Yeah - - it could destroy that franchise
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
That whole idea is ludicrous. The New York Blazers are the ones pushing the boundaries here with their "right" to have Darius not be signed UNLESS UNLESS UNLESS... That's nonsensical!!!
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Jan 9, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget, David Stern is the one ultimately holding the big hammer here...
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
Blazers try launching a frivolous lawsuit to destroy a franchise, and The Big Boss can unilaterally make life for them VERY unpleasant...
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
This is why the email may have been a good move. If we threaten litigation, Stern may backdoor a deal with us us to have the money come off the books just to shut us up after he plays 2 more games.
by dario argento on Jan 9, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
Dunno, one would think that keeping things out of the newspapers would be more Stern's style...
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
Stern and or his crew was okay with the e-mail
Read the Larry Miller post
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Jan 9, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
it didn't say that...
it said “if you feel that’s what you need to do, then do it”. That’s a far cry from actually being ok with it.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
point taken
But they didn’t tell then not to either.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Jan 10, 2009 7:47 AM PST up reply actions
The email just made sure that everyone was watching
there is no lawsuit
His signing clears us of any claims of restricting his employment…
Buh bye….
Now we are assured that things won’t get brushed away and we have forced people to take a hard look at our obligations under D’s med "retirement
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
That's my take, actually... GOOD that he signs fast so there is no damage done, nothing to sue over...
The Blazers were not gonna win their gambit to dodge his bad contract, they should have been golf-clapping his return and just sucked it up. The started counting their chickens two months ago though…
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
The case the Blazers should be making is
that a league and players association doctors said that Darius would never play again. From this point we needed to plan the future of our organization and part of that plan relied upon his salary not counting toward our cap and luxury tax. So now that the league’s doctor has been proven wrong why should we have to suffer the consequences, when we’ve been planning for years on this not counting?
by trailblazersfan on Jan 9, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
maybe we get a cap exception which costs nobody any real dollars
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
exactly
the way the rule is now sucks. If the league’s doctor says the guy is done take him off the books, if the player makes a come back good for him, but you have to let teams move on and use their cap effectively once it seems like a guy’s career over. I don’t get this stipulation for the possibility that a player might return, it’s a stupid rule and this whole fiasco is proving it.
by trailblazersfan on Jan 9, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
Mr. McGreg lost his lawsuit so what chance do the PTB have?
"The mounting minde that climes the hauty cliftes...Intoxicats the braine with guiddy drifts, Then rowles, and reeles, and falles at length plum ripe" .--- From Thomas Hughes’ 1588 The Misfortunes of Arthur:
I KNEW we shouldn't have asked Dr. Nick
to make the medical retirement judgement!
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Jan 9, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
i love this piksure
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
jscots a peeyomp
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/1/6/710833/batum-looking-ahead#11245378
by maid tu rek on Jan 10, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
"You shouldn't play on that knee"
is different than “you are unable to play on that knee.” The doctors were right, Darius is just taking the risk on his own. We shouldn’t be punished for his assumption of risk.
I don't think
enough was known about microfracture surgery at the time. How can you predict how someone will recover? Obviously playing NBA ball is going to put a lot of strain on your knees, but Amare seems alright now.
It isn't about microfracture surgery.
It’s about how after two years after the surgery he still had no cartilage in his knee (microfracture is supposed to promote the growth of cartilage but nothing came back in this case – his knee is basically shot).
Amar’e has cartilage in his knee, Darius does not. This is why the doctor after two years suggested he no longer play – because his knee is grinding down bone on bone and he will eventually have to get a knee replacement if he attempts to try to play continuous basketball. I doubt he can play at a high or even medium level still.
by TSE on Jan 9, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
I actually think he may be able to reach low to medium skill
However, I’m not sure his knee would hold up to reach that point.
I don't know if he could withstand the pain
I am admittedly assuming that would come at trying to play at a medium level. Unless he’s taking pain killers and getting cortizone shots.
But that is a big assumption on my part (but I too know the pain of bone on bone grinding and that is just from walking on a bum ankle).
by TSE on Jan 9, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
I'd wondered the same thing
Though I thankfully have not experienced it myself, so I couldn’t be sure.
So
here is where it gets tricky, at least in my head. Is the issue that he can’t play or that he shouldn’t? If he wants to risk his ability to walk for a shot at reviving his career then who should stop him?
For some reason, I thought Portland was arguing that he can no longer play at a high level.
Very good question
As far as I know, the Blazers organization has definitely not stated that Darius cannot play at a high level.
Instead, the current understanding is that Darius was retired by the league because both the Blazer doctor, and the NBA/Player’s Association doctor said that Darius’ knee never regrew cartilage, and is basically bone-on-bone. If he continued to play on it, it was nearly a guarantee he’d need to have it replaced.
But until it fails, he may be able to play basketball. There are certainly questions about how high a level he could play at, but this is pretty unexplored territory.
It’s a common misconception right now that the medical retirement = “Darius can’t play basketball”. Heck, TrueHoop reported as such this morning. In reality, he can play at some level, but he’s likely causing long-term damage with every game.
Hmmm
So Miles was retired to protect his health? It seems he should have a say in whether he can play or not. Let’s say he thinks he can get it done and wants to try. Then it seems like Portland would have to prove that he is incapable of playing, but he’s already disproven that with his play for the Grizzlies.
So Miles was retired to protect his health?
You got it.
It seems he should have a say in whether he can play or not.
He signed a paper that agreed to the retirement terms. I forgot to note that. Darius signed a paper that said “Yep! I can’t play again” (Someone correct me if I’m incorrect on this statement, it’s my understanding though)
Let’s say he thinks he can get it done and wants to try. Then it seems like Portland would have to prove that he is incapable of playing, but he’s already disproven that with his play for the Grizzlies.
Again that’s where the disconnect happens. The Independent doctor (not Portland!) has already established that Darius will have long term damage by playing… not that is incapable of playing. His capabilities were irrelevant to the retirement, his long-term knee damage was the key to it.
So whether or not he’s proven himself to be capable of playing is not relevant to the his medical retirement, because it was never a cause of the retirement. It’s the long-term damage being caused by his playing time.
I do not know if he signed a paper agreeing that he could not play
Or if he signed a paper agreeing to a second doctor evaluation and accepting that doctor’s word.
This would actually be something good for the Oregonian to get clarified.
by TSE on Jan 9, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks TSE, I may have mis-stated that
It may have been “I agree that the doctors have said I can’t play again”.
No problem.
If anything comes from this entire mess it’ll at least be the section in the CBA about this being far more clear and precise so something like this never, ever happens again.
by TSE on Jan 9, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
Oh yeah. This is going to be a complete rewrite
I wish I could edit posts here. My bad on the misinterpretation of what Darius signed.
Interesting
I wonder why Miles signed the papers then. He would’ve gotten paid $18 either way. However, to be consistent, your fake Miles quote should’ve been, “Yep. I understand that I choose not to play in order to protect my knee.”
At this point, you can imagine how complicated this is getting
It’s partially why Blazer fans are frustrated. It’s really not cut-and-dried as some of the negative articles have stated.
In my case, I’m incredibly frustrated that two NBA teams chose to give time to a player who is almost undeniably injuring himself every time he gets on the court. It’s extremely, extremely unlikely that Darius can be part of their long term plans due to his condition. So really they’re just renting him, when an equivalently skilled player (in comparison to the injured Darius) is sitting in Europe or D-League and could have a lasting impact on the team.
Hence why I feel this screams “we’re only doing it to hurt Portland”.
Hmmm
Or maybe the NBA is just that cutthroat. If Boston thought they could rent Miles for a season to help them win another title (a la PJ Brown) even at the risk to Miles’ health, why not?
Memphis is just trying to generate some buzz to revive their moribund team.
It's really hard to say what the intent is, agreed.
It leaves me frustrated that the NBA let it get to this point.
I think another reason
why Portland fans are frustrated is because of how the media is titling and reporting this (see espn’s Portland Blackballing Miles articles and refusing to put in that a league appointed independent doctor confirmed all of this) and in addition other fans and then executives (see the Adrian Worjanksi or whatever article on yahoo) openly gloating about wanting to see Portland screwed (and the executive even suggesting it was going to be done for the express purpose of Portland being screwed).
Yet then there is complete outrage when Portland sends out this email defending itself in the event that they are screwed over on purpose.
THEN! they act all affronted for Darius Miles when we know that is not the case at all.
This is why personally I am frustrated (also dealing with this on three different sites is frustrating as well).
In the end if Darius can legitimately play and the cartilage has somehow miraculously grown back then good for Darius I wish him nothing for the best. Darius being on the cap wont adversely affect our plans if we really want to get major cap space (15 million) as we would only need 24 for Kobe (and that isn’t happening).
To essentially sum it up: I wish no harm on Miles, I don’t care if he goes back on the cap (haven’t cared for the last year), but I do care about teams possibly trying to screw us over intentionally and the national media having serious reading comprehension issues so they can make their dramatic headlines.
by TSE on Jan 9, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thirded
It seems like some media exists just to stir up trouble. Whatever happened to just reporting the facts and letting knuckleheads like us speculate?
they are knuckleheads too
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
Today on PTI
They were yelling how a team should sign Miles just to mess the Blazers cap. They also blamed the Blazers for signing Miles to that contract in the first place. I forgot who but one of them said the Fakers should sign him cause “the l@kers have enough money to fight this out in court.” They might have money but not Paul Allen money.
I don't understand
why the national folk are hating on Portland right now. They sent out a message that said don’t sign Miles just to mess with us. That’s it.
Pritchard has made some pretty good moves, but he hasn’t done anything sneaky. Anyone could’ve bought Phoenix’s pick for $3M or done some of the other moves.
Well I think at the point of PTI and ATH
That they all were just going by what the early morning media made a mess of in terms of not reading the message correctly. It was a snowball effect basically.
Also because they’re lazy and dramatic.
This is why I refused to watch any espn news coverage at all today – I knew it was going to be like that after I saw the first suggestion that Darius was being black balled.
Good to know the common fans have more reading comprehension than the guys running the world wide leader.
I never liked
ESPN’s talking heads. PTI is ok sometimes, but is annoying most of the time.
Their main purpose is to just drum up ratings rather than deliver sports news or offer any real analysis.
ESPN subscribes to the cable news "everyone must argue talking points" theory
It’s a shame, because ATH and PTI are very close to being informative, interesting shows.
They haven't stated that he can't play at a high level, you are correct.
Pritchard stated basically these things:
1. The doctor said Darius’ knee was the worst he had ever seen.
2. Darius is playing bone on bone, no cartilage regrew.
3. The doctor told Darius if he was Darius’s father he wouldn’t let him play basketball again because playing basketball would eventually cause him to get a knee replacement (I think it was suggested fairly soon knee replacement but am not 100% positive).
by TSE on Jan 9, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
The misconception is about medical retirement is rooted
in that the CBA doesn’t define career ending injury or illness very well. Most people think that it applies solely to injuries that renders a player unable to play basketball (the loss of a limb is an extreme example). But it also applies to other longer term injuries that impact your long term health as well.
the stipulatin is there
so a retired guy doesn’t return to the SAME team at a much lesser cap number, thereby giving that team a competitive advantage.
I don’t believe it was intended to work the way it is playing out, because Portland is being put at a competitive disadvantage by it. Consider: Under normal circumstances, teams own contracts on players, meaning that player is either playing for them or no on else. These teams then have the right to trade these contracts if they can find a trading partner. Alternatively, teams can buyout the contract, taking the contract hit but allowing the player to sign with someone else. In this scenario, we followed the rules in place to clear his contract. Now, the contract could come back on the books, but we are neither receiving the services of the player, have negotiated a buyout with the player, or have any ability to trade him (and his contract) to another team.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
As a Law Student
it seems to me that there is very much a legal stance in the Blazers favor towards getting his salary removed regardless if he plays or not. This might be the law suit that the NBA needs to readjust their ridiculous contracts.
by RipCityRoyCity on Jan 9, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
I'd agree -
if they want to fight this, to me this is the only logical way to go.
by plinytheelder on Jan 9, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
A simple solution
is no more guaranteed contracts. The NFL is better off for it and I think it would work well in the NBA.
The NBA will never have non-guaranteed contracts.
They may reword things to assist in unprecedented medical situations like this or in the case of off the court misconduct (serious misconduct not just some drug use or outside the strip club stuff).
But they will never, ever make contracts just non-guaranteed. They have worked far too hard protecting their veteran players to make sure that doesn’t happen.
by TSE on Jan 9, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
Guaranteed contracts
can actually hurt veteran players because a lot of money gets tied up in younger players who aren’t getting it done.
I do agree that the NBA will not get rid of guaranteed contracts. I just said it would’ve made this mess a non-issue.
It can hurt the ones that are lower level and don't currently have contracts
but the players association would never allow say letting a team get out of a Malik Rose contract or a Theo Ratiff contract.
But you are right this would have made it a non-issue.
by TSE on Jan 9, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
True
but a true meritocracy wouldn’t try to protect the mediocre players. Of course, the players’ association is out to protect the status quo. I don’t know if they realize that the better the product, the more fans and then more money.
To be honest
They probably don’t if they couldn’t understand the real wording of the letter that was sent out.
by TSE on Jan 9, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone like to wager that Miles
Is not resigned by Memphis after this 10 day contract?
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
I think he will be on someones roster all season
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
Go ahead and send it to Memphis
I think they need it.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Jan 9, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
yes.
That would look bad. Plus, Miles can still play basketball. He’s probably going to get better as the season goes on, especially if he has any sort of desire to prove people wrong.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jan 9, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
yup, plus he's cheap and grizz have roster spots. it makes sense for them to eventually guarantee the contract
honor rasheed wallace
i like ike
I think you only get 2 10 day's ..either per player or per team - - each season
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
that can't be true the grizz just signed him to a third, i just think they can't be in a row, that's why they waived him
honor rasheed wallace
i like ike
They did not sign him to a third.
Darius was previously signed by the Grizzlies to a non-guaranteed contract. Non-guaranteed contracts become fully guaranteed contracts tomorrow (had to be waived by Wednesday at 5pm to meet 48 hour deadline to process). 10 day contracts went into effect earlier this week (see Freddy Jones and similar situation minus injury drama with the Clippers) and that is what Darius was signed to this evening. He has one left.
by TSE on Jan 9, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
especially now that PA's tax money will take care of the bill.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
Aren't contracts
in force by tomorrow the 10th guaranteed for the year? I’m pretty certain Memphis is on the hook for the veterans minimum for Darius for the season, unless he negotiates a fatter salary. They can let him go anytime but they owe him a years salary.
i'm not really sure, i need some clarification on how this is gonna work
honor rasheed wallace
i like ike
i think its only players that were on the book wednesday
that get the gauranteed contract through years end since the paperwork takes 2 days to clear
Very good chance here
that Memphis plays him in only one game, then lets him go, so they can say, “See, if we wanted to stick it to Portland we would have played him in two.”
It would be a great way to cover themselves in case someone else signs him and plays him in a tenth game.
I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.
10 Day Contracts
Section 9. 10-Day Contracts.
(a) Beginning on January 5 (if a business day) or the first business day following January 5 of any NBA Season, a Team may enter into a Player Contract with a player for the longer of (i) ten (10) days, or (ii) a period encompassing three (3) games played by such Team (a "10-Day Contract").
(b) The Salary provided for by a 10-Day Contract shall not be less than the Minimum Player Salary.
© No Team may enter into a 10-Day Contract with the same player more than twice during the course of any one Season. No Team may be a party at any one time to more 10-Day Contracts than the number of players on such Team’s Inactive List.
(d) No Team may enter into a 10-Day Contract if the length of such Contract, in accordance with the first sentence of this Section 10(a), would extend to or past the date of the Team’s last Regular Season game for such Season.
(e) Notwithstanding anything to the contrary contained in a Uniform Player Contract, a 10-Day Contract shall be terminated simply by providing written notice to the player (and not by following the waiver procedure set forth in paragraph 16 of the Uniform Player Contract) and paying only such sums as are set forth in Exhibit 1 of such Contract.
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
See 2 per season article C
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
So this is it for Memphis
and then they would have to sign him after the second 10 day expires to a contract for the balance of the year. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. If Memphis has no malice in mind and Darius can really play then they should sign him at the end of the 10 day period. Unless he can’t play…….
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Jan 9, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
No - this is the first 10 day cause monday was the first day it could have been done
the other was a simple contract non guar theat they let go
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
My mistake, thanks for clarifying
I thought his other contract was a 10 day one. Then it will be interesting to see if they sign him to a second 10 day for the reasons I state above.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Jan 9, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
My take is that once he cleared waivers, Darius is available for 2 10-days from Memphis before they're on the hook for the year...
The act of waiving him clears the slate. He’s an unsigned free agent at that point.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
this is the first one
the other was a simple non guarantee
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
LINK
Collective Bargaining Agreement
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
He will play in two games...
The blazers will lose about 9 million in capspace but it really won’t matter. The blazers do not need to go sign a big time free agent and they still might be able to depending on what they choose to do. I say move on, wish Darius some luck(he really isn’t that bad of a guy, lazy yes, but disgusting criminal, no) and let him him try to recapture what was once a very promising career…
RUDY > MJ
Once again I still think we will appeal the money coming back on our books and win the appeal. I honestly do.
The email has drawn attention to our plight if nothing else.
by dario argento on Jan 9, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
That does seem like the "right" thing for the league to do..
The player’s rights were protected in that he gets his full contract, even without playing… not to mention, doubtless, all his medical expenses. The players union supposedly approved the doctor who made the “unable to play” diagnosis, which should free the team to fill the roster spot without a cap space penalty for a “mediaclly retired” player. If that player wants to keep himself entertained playing on some other team who thinks they can use him (for way less money), fine, but suddenly treating the Blazers who went through all the “medical retirement” procedures, as if the player was active on the roster, for cap space purposes, definately feels like the team is getting ripped off. It is messy. There should not be a question as to WHY he is being signed by another team. We shall see…. perhaps we need a poll on how long until this is actually resolved. Not holdin’ my breath.
P.S. How about whatever money Darius makes from other teams after his medical retirement = the amount that stays on the Blazers cap space? :-)
If he knee is as bad as people say..he's gonna get a knee replacement one day anywat...meh....battle scars
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
Maybe he'll get a bionic knee
and kill the Blazers’ title dreams by dunking from half-court during Game 7 of the 2010 NBA finals for the winning three points.
we could have a special all bionic league
it would be mad fun…
opposing teams could employ hackers to rework the opponents software in live game situations..
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
It is probably better than my idea for the "Take as many drugs as you want OLYmpics"
man dead lifts 800 lbs, snaps off arms; details at 11
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
lololololol, rek
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
jscots a peeyomp
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/1/6/710833/batum-looking-ahead#11245378
by maid tu rek on Jan 10, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
nice...that musta been in my memory banks so long I rethought it :-)
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
Realistic
Who will be a free agent that we are willing to pay more than what we can pay are own players LeBron? Bosch? Dont think it’s going to happen. Blazers still have plenty of leverage to fill missing parts.
I don't think we are gonna disrupt our development importing a superstar
I think we’re banking on growing our own superstars
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
Nothing wrong with Oregon Homegrown so I'm told
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
Turkey Glue and Marion, i don't want either of them so i'm not worried
honor rasheed wallace
i like ike
This is good...if I learn the CBA I can be Shavlik's next agent
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
Nah...Step one would be pitching a fit to the press
about his lack of playing time
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
So can I put you on my management team?
Me, you, Mortimer (w/his atty fiance), and maybe Sophia (could KP really say no to her?) . . . we should be able to improve his situation for next year . . . we could split the 10%
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
I mean has anyone looked closely at that picture that's my avatar?
That is from the ghost game against the hawks in KC where he was 19/10 look at him get that ball …look at his FACE for God sake…why do we think we need an aggressive rebounding backup 4 … we have one who can play offense, defense, hustle and has an off chart BBIQ…he was 10/4 in the first half of the Utah exhibition where our second team blew out their first team in the first half…Now that he’s guaranteed . . i can be more vocal
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
pay him 1/3 of the combined cost for IKe & Channing for next year
use the savings, the players and the extra roster spot(s) to firm up elsewhere – - -and Bob’s your Uncle and Fannie’s your aunt as they say in London
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
That "ghost game" was weird
There must have been a video feed, since the guys in the studio in Portland knew what was going on. But nobody else out of the arena saw it.
O yeah..19/10 with 12 points in the 4th q if I recall against Atlanta
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
His current agent isn't bad
Steve Blake, James Jones, Jamario Moon, Theo Ratliff (huge huge contracts in the past), John Salmons, …
Yeah I’m sure Joel has done some good work
But nothing that can’t be improved upon
Players (none of them) are represented all too well because the secondary gain for the agent maintaining a good relationship with the team(s) over the long term is at the potential expense of a players short term best interest….and $ wins . . . one player get 800K more or less….so what when you have 20 of them over a 20 year career span, for example….
BTW how did you know who his agent was/is?
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
Norsktroll has his sources . . .
I don’t know what Norsktroll (Master of the Links) uses, but DraftExpress has an interesting agent/player list.
nah. he'll reinjure it AFTER he plays the remaining 2 games.
by dario argento on Jan 9, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
pretty much
exactly what I thought
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
I can't believe this!
I guess we better get used to not having the cap space. Here goes the law suits!
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Nothing wrong with Darius playing
It could be alot worse he could be healthy still in Portland and being an influence on the roster. His playing and costing the Blazers cap space is a small price to pay to keep the current Blazers focused on the prize
by hayeclan on Jan 9, 2009 9:37 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
That is a very rational thought! +1
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Jan 9, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
OMG NOOO
just saw Jarrett Jack get an offensive rebound with the possibility for an open layup and then he inexplicably tries to make a jump pass which goes right into some Laker’s hands leading to a fast break!
by trailblazersfan on Jan 9, 2009 9:40 PM PST reply actions
Are you talking about last year, or this year?
j/k
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Im watching the Laker vs. Pacer game right now
by trailblazersfan on Jan 9, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
We have little to no cap room in 2010
unless Roy and LMA decide to be generous young men and accept 5 million dollar a year extensions this summer that go into effect next summer instead of the presumed 8-12 million they will accept.
by TSE on Jan 9, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
T-Wolves need to red this email from KP
(via howlingfantods)
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
why t-wolves?
I noticed you posted at the Wolves site too…you do realize that Memphis is the Grizzlies? Not trying to be sarcastic, just asking.
by plinytheelder on Jan 9, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Oops.
I don’t know why I ALWAYS mix those two up. I just thought it was a funny spoof email.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Jan 10, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
I went back to their site
and said I was sorry for thinking they were the Griz. Thanks for pointing that out. I’m an idiot.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Jan 10, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
dude, ur posting that crap on other teams web sights?!?!?! wut the hell iz rong with u?!?!?! seriously, NOT KOOL!!!!
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
It's funny
fans of other teams will laugh, too.
I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.
That was my hope.
I wasn’t trying to start a fight or anything.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Jan 10, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
sorry OCBF1,
i hope they do tu, i gues it depends on the spirit of delivery. i saw you in a 200 comment thread on the celtiks board, and some of the people that you were getting along with great have been quick to critisise certain bedgers before, so with that, it was obvious that you know how to get along, and you were obviously not being inflamatory, and it seamed that they genually enjoyed or appriciated your contrubutions over there. i havent read the twolves blog yet, cus ive literally been reading everything, and im now well over 2500 comments and just havent got there yet,, but im left to assume that you did deliver the joke in good taste. again, i do appologize for coming off harshly and presumptuasly, my bad
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
Ain't no thing.
Thanks for the kind words too. T-Wolves did not comment back. They probably thought I was a drunk that can’t tell them and the Griz apart!
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Jan 10, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
i hope so
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
I guess I don't blame them.
What do they have to lose?
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Isn't Steve Francis's contract coming
off our books this summer? I thought we still had that mess on our books.
you know how much
it is? We bought him out right but the original contract stayed on our books until this summer correct?
Oh man, I think is 12m/yr. Lemme see if I can find it.
And yes, it stays on the books until free-agent signing period starts.
But it’s not tradeable. He was cut and has already played elsewhere.
He had a $33.6M contract for two seasons
Portland paid $30M to buy it out. But (I believe) the entire value of the final year of the contract (I don’t know if it’s 16.8M per year, or not) is on the books until the end of the season.
I don't want to think Memphis did this to mess with our cap
and I don’t know if there ever is a way to prove it. Maybe Miller and co. wanted to get the letter out early so a team would sign him quickly just in spite of the threat. After Miles plays his two games the Blazers can start the appeal process now and hopefully have it resolved before FA signing starts.
It will give us some fuel to boo Memphis EVERY time they come to town
from now until eternity.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
I absolutely will not hold the players responsible for their GM's actions
Of course, it’s not like I’d be cheering them anyway, but still.
I see your point....
But I’ll still feel a little sour.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Jan 9, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
Good news for Darius
Baskin Robbins has 4 stores in Memphis, so after he gets waived again he can go back to getting fat like he did when he was rehabbing his knee in Portland
"The mounting minde that climes the hauty cliftes...Intoxicats the braine with guiddy drifts, Then rowles, and reeles, and falles at length plum ripe" .--- From Thomas Hughes’ 1588 The Misfortunes of Arthur:
I love the ice cream jokes
But can anyone remind me the source? Was it actually a picture, or someone’s story?
I understand he did a lot
of “rehabing” at the Acropolis. I don’t know, just heard.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Jan 9, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
I personally saw him drinking beers at Buffalo Wild Wings when he was supposed to be practicing...
Open Letter to Celtics Blog:
Your record since Christ's birthday is 2 wins and 7 LOSSES. This has to do with the Curse of the Banned Bloggers, when your henchmen banned a dozen BlazersEdge regulars for a couple of frivolous comments. Hey Todo... I mean Jeff Clark: We're not in 1939 Germany any more. Reinstate us or the curse will continue. You shouldn't rule a blog with an iron first like that--because karma and payback is a powerful thing.
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Far as I know, they can give him two.
I think they’ll give him a second one just on principle, but we’ll see.
I think
they did the first to evaluate, didn’t resign, let the guaranteed contract deadline pass, and gave him another 10 day contract, much like what the Clippers did with Fred Jones.
I will never waste a beer. There are too many sober kids in India. -Rod Benson
by supremepuntiff on Jan 10, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
The first Memphis contract simply a non-guaranteed one
And then they cut him before the deadline to prevent it from turning into a guaranteed contract. It wasn’t a 10-day contract (he was actually around for at least 12 games, including 10 suspended. that’s way more than 10 days)
This’ll be his first 10-day contract with Memphis, and he can still be signed to a second.
Random note: You can’t sign players to 10-day contracts until after the non-guaranteed contract deadline has passed. Before the deadline, you can only sign season-long contracts, either guaranteed or non-guaranteed.
In my mind the only reason Memphis signed him to a ten-day contract
as opposed to a contract for the rest of the season was to stick it to the Blazers.
Assuming that they truly need him on their team, you would think they would act in a manner which proves good-faith to the Blazers, unless their just mad and are going to do this to spite the team only, which is really rather dumb.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
link?
If you think I'm insulting you, I'm insulted that you'd even think that I would think of insulting you.
I thought about posting a "hahaha" with it
but I wanted to see if someone would come by and ask if it was a joke.
If you think I'm insulting you, I'm insulted that you'd even think that I would think of insulting you.
that deal would only be sure-fire if they through in Darius Miles with it.
If you think I'm insulting you, I'm insulted that you'd even think that I would think of insulting you.
Well goodnight Portland -- I'm off to sleep reading the CBA...
That should have me comatose in like 2 minutes…gameday tomorrow should allow us to get our focus back on the court…
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
and by that I mean BASKETBALL court
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
I hope Chris Wallace has a sympathetic voice
so when he has to go tell Darius’ children that “daddy can’t play in the yard any more because I’m greedy and he just blew his knee out playing in a basketball game…”
Open Letter to Celtics Blog:
Your record since Christ's birthday is 2 wins and 7 LOSSES. This has to do with the Curse of the Banned Bloggers, when your henchmen banned a dozen BlazersEdge regulars for a couple of frivolous comments. Hey Todo... I mean Jeff Clark: We're not in 1939 Germany any more. Reinstate us or the curse will continue. You shouldn't rule a blog with an iron first like that--because karma and payback is a powerful thing.
ehhh I'll have to respectfully disagree with you there dude
It’s not Chris Wallace’s fault. Darius is offering his services, and he is acutely aware of the risks and inherent dangers playing NBA-level basketball presents.
You can be mad at Chris Wallace for messin’ with our capspace, but it’s completely unfair, in my opinion, to pin the blame on him should something bad happen to Darius.
Darius has had multiple doctors who are a whole heap smarter than he is tell him that it’s a bad idea and that he could seriously screw up his knee. Darius is intelligent enough to understand the risks, and he’s decided that he’s willing to take those risks.
If you think I'm insulting you, I'm insulted that you'd even think that I would think of insulting you.
I agree with almost everything you say...
then you make this conjecture:
Darius is intelligent enough to understand the risks
That’s the problem for me. I think Darius is being exploited by his agent and NBA GMs like Wallace.
Open Letter to Celtics Blog:
Your record since Christ's birthday is 2 wins and 7 LOSSES. This has to do with the Curse of the Banned Bloggers, when your henchmen banned a dozen BlazersEdge regulars for a couple of frivolous comments. Hey Todo... I mean Jeff Clark: We're not in 1939 Germany any more. Reinstate us or the curse will continue. You shouldn't rule a blog with an iron first like that--because karma and payback is a powerful thing.
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 10, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
very very plausible
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
good point
I should have known using Darius and intelligent in conjunction would be bad.
But to kind of clarify what I meant——-He has listened to various advisors and, as of right now, at least on some level, he knows he is taking a risk. I think Wallace is innocent, as would be any other GM, although you do have a good point about his agent. Then again, you gotta’ figure his agent really isn’t making that much, since Darius is only getting a few extra hundred thousand himself for playing, hence, the agent wouldn’t be making much either.
Sorry for this lame example, but I think the situation is the same as Darius walking up to a prostitute. He knows he could screw up his leg really bad doing this NBA thing, just like he knows he could get an STD by hooking up with the babe from the nightclub.
The point is that he just doesn’t care enough or isn’t worried enough to step back and not do this thing. If he gets hurt, the responsibility falls on him. He’s a grown man; it’s his decision.
If you think I'm insulting you, I'm insulted that you'd even think that I would think of insulting you.
by prezofdeath on Jan 10, 2009 12:24 AM PST up reply actions
As a libertarian, I wholeheartedly agree with your analogous examples.
Darius Miles needs to take personal responsibility for every choice in his life, which should be understood by the posters here. If Miles completely annihilates his patella bone by continuing to play basketball, then the onus for that is solely on him.
Nobody else is to blame for it, okay.
agree with both of you on his responsiblity
but I just don’t think he’s very intelligent… that’s all..
Open Letter to Celtics Blog:
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by Bust a Bucket on Jan 10, 2009 1:37 AM PST up reply actions
lol I'll concede that point
and I’ll conclude by saying this is all a moot point anyway.
After all, who in their right mind would marry Darius and have his kids anyway?
If you think I'm insulting you, I'm insulted that you'd even think that I would think of insulting you.
To an extent
But the drug pusher bears some responsibility for the addict’s crimes, too.
He’s profiting based on someone else’s weakness, etc.
As someone having libertarian leanings myself, I would tend to agree with you on the legal side of things, but as far as moral responsibility goes, that can be shared.
In other words, if Darius blows out his knee, he should bear all the legal and fiscal responsibility for that, but if the risk is as bad as we have been told, signing and playing him is not very responsible, morally.
I wouldn’t do it.
I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.
Well, my code of ehtics is way more lenient than that of most folks.
If someone can profit off of another person’s weakness, then so be it.
Hmm
Think it is morally ok to give alcohol to a drunk man getting ready to drive home?
I think there has to be some limits to your statement, though at some levels I think it has merits, as well.
I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.
i disagree
theres personal responsibility, and then theres soscial responsibility. if i know a grrrl for instance, and im awaire of her high likly hood to have a case of the drty, (like the gm’z understanding of dariouses kase) and i know darious is looking for some barkley plus, even if he is aware of the risk, and i participate, ie, hook um up, then to a certain dagree, im responsible for the act. if i help him hurt himself, it could be argued that i hold a certain, if not meager share in the blame. the gm is helping miles theoretikly hurt himself. if one of miles’ bones protrudes the skin on a basketball court during a game, you kan bet that entire manegment team will come under saveer skrutany. just becouse a little kid is willing to make a bet with me, duznt let me tell his mom its his own fault i took all his lunch money. the thing is, that its not just darious making this decision, someone else has to help him, ie, let him
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
True, I'd almost say in my little example he's more like the owner of a nightclub though
He’s got shop set up doing this thing to make money (or at least try), but Darius is the one who’s walking through the door. Your mom told you not to go to places like that.
The saying goes that “You have to watch out for yourself, cuz’ no one gonna’ do it for you.” I’m sure Darius knows this. Heck, this might be OT, but I’d wager he found that out the hard way growing up in East St. Louis. He knows he’s gotta’ do what’s best for Darius Miles.
Still, in this modern age, you have a point. Wallace will come under fire if Darius gets hurt, but I don’t think the main part of the blame lies with him.
I mean, if McDonald’s gets sued for making people fat, then Wallace (and Danny Ainge and any other GM who employs Darius) will likely get a bad rap in the media for “exploiting” a player who was medically pronounced unable to play.
That’s why I think this move by Larry Miller and company isn’t that bad. Either Darius plays for a long time and everyone forgets the Blazers tried throwing him under the bus, or Darius gets hurt and the Blazers can say, “HA! See! We warned you!” and could then potentially set about entering litigation with the Grizzlies to get salary cap space back, depending on how long Darius played.
If you think I'm insulting you, I'm insulted that you'd even think that I would think of insulting you.
by prezofdeath on Jan 10, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
agreed
That’s why I think this move by Larry Miller and company isn’t that bad. Either Darius plays for a long time and everyone forgets the Blazers tried throwing him under the bus, or Darius gets hurt and the Blazers can say, "HA! See! We warned you!" and could then potentially set about entering litigation with the Grizzlies to get salary cap space back, depending on how long Darius played.
They LIED!!!
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
Upcoming games for Grizz
The Grizzlies upcoming games (vs. Cavs and Jazz) are likely to be blowouts and that greatly increases Darius’ chance of getting some burn in those two games. I think we’ll see him play in both. I also think Memphis will give him the second 10-day but will not sign him for the season.
Man I hope this is over soon … soooo tired of reading about it.
agreed,
now that ive finished this thread, ive read over 2200 comments on darious, but i just kant make myself stop
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
can't....stop....it's...like.....Darius Miles' favorite brand of ice cream!
If you think I'm insulting you, I'm insulted that you'd even think that I would think of insulting you.
by prezofdeath on Jan 10, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
ive read everything this blog has to offer and several other ones
canus hupis still have two threads that i havent read yet, and i still havent checked over half of the other ones, but i lost count at somewhare confortably over 2500 comments. i really should take a shower and go find a job….ill do it tomarrow
They LIED!!!
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
or the next day
If you think I'm insulting you, I'm insulted that you'd even think that I would think of insulting you.
Maybe this has been discussed...
In fact I am sure it has, but I can’t read through 2000 posts in five threads ;)
Maybe Darius is smarter than we thought.
Okay…so the Grizzlies signed him. Say he plays, and while playing goes down hard and injures his knee to the point where he is truly done.
Can he then sue the league for allowing him to play after he had already been given a “career ending injury”?
In this scenario, the blazers are actually protecting not themselves, but Darius by asking teams not to sign him.
Can a player really get paid by two teams at the same time?
He is getting 9 mil the next two years from Portland due to his guaranteed contract, how can he also get whatever he is getting from another team? Is double dipping allowed?
that had not yet been discussed to those specifics
it was lightly touched on, but in a wholy different light. interesting. but probably not. i would think that there would be something in any contract that he signs now that would prohibit him from suing the league if he further injures himself, but really have no idea.
a player can get paid by two teams at the same time. steve frances
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
jscots a peeyomp
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/1/6/710833/batum-looking-ahead#11245378
by maid tu rek on Jan 10, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Another article about the ordeal.
Darius said he wishes it didn’t count against our cap. So he’s saying the right things to the media anyway.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/jan/09/memphis-grizzlies-re-sign-darius-miles/
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
And another from a Griz site.
They think they are pretty cool today. Way to go Griz!!!! Now work on winning games.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Jan 10, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
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