Blazers vs. League w/POLL 2nd thread
by postup on Jan 8, 2009 11:25 PM PST
Email
PrintWow.
Original Sports Illustrated article.
You all know what happened. First linked here by blazerhopeful then re-reported by broyposse and generally flipped out on here, the blazers have thrown down the gauntlet when it comes to signing darius miles. Since the first thread is now well over 300 comments, lagging, and also lacks a poll, here is part duece.
Now that we've fired off oppinions all willy-nilly, maybe it's time to debate this in a more structured manner?
GO!
376 comments
|
7 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
evidently
I agree we have a case
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Us against the world
Bring back the t-shirts from 92.
And grab the Jaynes/Eggers book while you’re at it.
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Jan 8, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
As long as no-one sings that sappy You and Me Against the World
I promise you I will hurl
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
remember that article J Canzano did regarding the PR lady and how she doesnt really have any work to do now that the Jail Blazer era is through?
Looks like she’s gonna put in overtime…
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
She's probably on her way to the office right now!
by dario argento on Jan 8, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
I do think this was a good move.
Aggressive, auspicious, and perhaps a little whiny yes, but GM’s were openly saying they would consider signing him to a 10 day contract for the specific purpose of hurting our cap, so the office probably felt they had to do something.
well maybe not "linch"
but punish severly or trick that GM to think he had invested w/ Bernie Madoff..
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
or at least get ourselves banned from that team's blog
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
by Seijeff on Jan 8, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone else posting on both threads still?
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Jan 8, 2009 11:31 PM PST reply actions
your man card has offically been suspended pending a hearing
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
the first ones a masterpiece lol
Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
I dont think
I don’t think I can think far enough ahead to see the greatness of this move yet….I know its going to be great…I’m just waiting for the story to unfold. It reminds me of movies like Oceans 11 where they are always 1 step ahead.
Any publicity is good publicity afterall.
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 8, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
not necessarily but it makes the blazers with the upper hand
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
It's like a slow methodical boxing match
A brilliantly scripted story of an out of shape NBA player joining up with the league that said he was unfit to play, and taking on his former employer in a harrowing battle over ethics and cash.
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 8, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
the only unethical person in this entire thing is Miles
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
How much do you put it on his agent?
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 8, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
And complicit teams like ummm {cough}memphis?
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
Yeah, have fun losing again memphis;) and enjoy your little payday when the league divvies up the luxury tax and shows pity on you
for consistently being a non-contender
by Tyler Durrden on Jan 10, 2009 12:58 AM PST up reply actions
For those of us who
Have been here since the news broke.. WOW WHAT A RIDE.
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 8, 2009 11:31 PM PST reply actions
yeah i started on the first thread with like 3 comments....
AND IT BLEW UP!
Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
A slow and steady rise into chaos
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 8, 2009 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't these guys learn anything from the Bush admin? Release this stuff late FRIDAY afternoon
by LetsBlaze on Jan 8, 2009 11:32 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Isn't that from Office Space?
Management always likes to fire people on a Friday afternoon, since that provides less chance of an incident occuring?
"West just flipped Roy's switch to 'Hide the women and children'"
- tmundal, Nov 29, 2008 9:11 PM PST
and the greatest tv show ever, the west wing
the friday media dump. a classic.
Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
by aryamehr on Jan 8, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
remember McCain's Oppo Dump Day?
they released that stuff about Bristol (Conn.) Palin being knocked up the day a hurricane was hitting the Gulf Coast… that guy deserve PR man of the year…
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 8, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
Y'know, ...
The Wonder Years is the all-time greatest television show.
Freaks & Geeks and Undeclared give it a run for its money, though.
Release it during the National Championship game.
Most of the talk Nationally will be about the BCS and the big game.
sophia...my computer crashed before i could respond to your truce...
and i did, in the other post…just letting you know but it’s way in the middle somewhere…and someone responded in that post that you are married to an NBA player…not Darius right? hahaha kidding.
mi dispiace e tregua
"Step up to my mic!!!" Joel's right and left fist
if the blazers bought out BE
they’d make so much ad revenue now…i can picture a commercial of spirit mountains musical playing in the background like ads play on espn.com now.
you need to get adblocker
I haven’t seen an add in years
by trailblazersfan on Jan 8, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
with that stupid blazers song playing. God I hate that song.
by dario argento on Jan 8, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
what song?
The intro song to the broadcasts? I love that thing!
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Jan 8, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
Bring back the horn fanfare
Good memories from that.
Hell, bring back the full Blazer Broadcast theme (including the bongos)
by DonkeyShins on Jan 9, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
the remixes are kinda lame
the rock one is sorta cool tho.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 8, 2009 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
I like the Curtis Salgado version
If you smile at me I will understand, because that is something everybody everywhere does in the same language. - Crosby/Stills/Kantner
if the blazers did that it would be the NBA's basically
i would be against that totally … :) I <3 dave and our anti socialist blog :)
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Why is everyone freaking out?
This was a good letter and a good threat… this helps our case in arbitration if other teams play him for 2 or 3 games and we need to claim that it doesn’t count against the cap…
Settle down…
its kinda more than that
it shows that kp isn’t as soft as some of our players are…ok that was a low blow.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 8, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
hightide totally lost it
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 8, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
im perfectly calm dude...calmer than you are.
by dario argento on Jan 8, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
wanna bet???
I just took 3 muscle relaxers and a couple prozac… I’m extremely calm.
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 8, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
i just hope youll be able to control your bowel movements now...
Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
well, then, obviously you weren't who I was talking to, but thanks for responding anyways!
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 8, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
bad form
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Jan 9, 2009 6:41 AM PST up reply actions
Stop what you are doing
and immediately go rent the film. Watch it and thank me later. Big Lebowski is one of those rare perfect films. Like “Princess Bride” and “Heat” it is a flawless film within it’s genre. Although Big Lebowski is almost it’s own unique entity. God I love that movie.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
just kidding...
but I’m glad you’re calm “dude”
I think people are reading more into this than there really is…
do you agree?
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 8, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
no, this is hot stuff....leads to all kinds of drama before the trade deadline
"Step up to my mic!!!" Joel's right and left fist
Inside jokes
are the best. Only when I get them, though, otherwise they’re hurtful and exclusionary and I DON’T LIKE THEM. I wish you guys had started pretend-fighting and pretend-escalated it with more and more aggressive quotes culminating with “Shut the **** up, Dario!!!” and seen what had been the general reaction. Priceless. Plan that out next time please? Thanks.
by BlazersOrBust on Jan 9, 2009 2:12 AM PST up reply actions
I am very high strung, and easily tipped off.
Freakin out, a way of life.
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 8, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
David Stern will do something tomorrow...i don't know what..
he seems like a dictator…any guesses?
"Step up to my mic!!!" Joel's right and left fist
Kick Greg's Knee?
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 8, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
if he wasn't in on this
he’d probably issue a fine…if he was…i dunno.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 8, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
I'm guessing
the Blazers let the league know this was in the works, no clue whatsoever as to what Stern will do
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 8, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
i would think so too
if not it’d be pretty “disrespectful” to the league and DS’s authority. heh.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 8, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
i bet stern fines larry miller
and then fines joel’s grandma just because he’s david stern
by postup on Jan 8, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we'' hear from him, but only after he digests is awhile. Has anything like this ever happened in the association before?
by dario argento on Jan 8, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
didn't think so. We are blazing new trails friends!
by dario argento on Jan 8, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
So was Miles in attempting to come back to stick it to the Blazers
whoo, Katy bar the door! - Maurice Lucas anticipating Greg Oden's development
He'll move us to Kansas City
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Jan 8, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
Are there any over under Las Vegas bets on Golden States free throw attempts in Saturdays ballgame
because I’ve got $500 that’s taking the over
by trailblazersfan on Jan 8, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
call for the systematic assassination of every blazers senior staff member?
Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
Think that the team will notice that the front office
is throwing a couple of hard elbows at anyone that gets in the way?
its like turning
super saiyyan 4. very rare.
Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
Does that mean that KP's hair goes all golden now?
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Jan 8, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
actually no....
he’ll just grow out an extra long mane of black hair and get really hairy!
Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
So when Our Front office is Soft we have the Jail Blazers and
now we have a team of softies and hardest core hard core Front Office…
This irony is burning my hands off I love it
This is freaking POETIC!
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
by BlazerFan1 on Jan 8, 2009 11:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
our front office right now would make KG wet himself...
and our players are all like bambi! its adorable.
Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
Or maybe after going 0-4 while the Cavs pound his team!
Think Kevin (little Stern) will be pleasant in the team plane tonight?
whoo, Katy bar the door! - Maurice Lucas anticipating Greg Oden's development
i was thinking the same thing. This is a pretty aggressive move. Maybe LMA should get tutored by LM.
by dario argento on Jan 8, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
Great minds must think alike
bc i said the same thing. haha!
by Philthyanimal on Jan 8, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
It will be interesting how this effects the CBA going forward
I don’t have the mind for all the intricacies, but if the potential to harm us financially exists…..it needs to be fixed…
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
We are blazing trails.
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 8, 2009 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
Issues like medical retirement should be pretty easy negotiation
between the NBA and the Players Association as it is clearly in both parties interest to avoid situations where potential legal action is talked about.
Issues like how much of basketball revenue (and how such revenue is calculated) is where the difficulty in the collective bargaining process comes about.
We need someone with craftsmanship
to construct a bat signal but with our pinwheel logo to get dave and ben to sign on in dire emergencies such as this.
that's what the batphone is for
Seriously, call it. It’s in Ben’s possession. In dire cases he may actually call you back!
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Jan 8, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
they better get in on this
its epic!
Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
it'd be cooler to see a signal in the sky
by Philthyanimal on Jan 8, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
Dave can see Russia from his front porch...
when you put lipstick on it.
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 1:12 AM PST up reply actions
best moments of the election
did you hear about the Russian politician from Siberia with nearly no experience but can see Alaska so she claims to be knowledgeable about foreign issues with the USA
by trailblazersfan on Jan 9, 2009 1:14 AM PST up reply actions
if that was a reference to lame ol' Moscow, Idaho
you get a huge -1
If you think I'm insulting you, I'm insulted that you'd even think that I would think of insulting you.
need BatPhone alert texts for breaking Trailblazer news
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
nah I mean auto alerts like email stuff I get...
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
I need batphone number
Lets blow it up
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 8, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
503 719 1790
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Jan 8, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
thank you kind sir
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 8, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yah wake Ben up
Its not like hes got a hot date and doesn’t want to be disturbed.
I kid because I love Ben.
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 8, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
I texted him the Darius getting waived news the other day
He texted back his thanks, and logged on soon after. I felt special.
Good legal analysis on other thread.
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 8, 2009 11:44 PM PST reply actions
here it is by Hurrikane212
at one of my property lectures an intellectual property attorney introduced me to the concept of worst-case-scenario time travel. Imagine that someone has infringed upon your clients patent and you’ve not taken measures to protect him and you are in front of a jury. If you could go back in time, what would you have done differently so that you could tell it to the jury? Figure out what that is and do it now, beforehand.
The Blazers are setting up a "bad faith" argument. They are laying the foundation for a formal complaint. If this deters suitors for Miles, all the better. Also, since Miles was ruled unfit to play by an impartial doctor and he is still getting his money, it would be hard for him to push a case against PDX because the detriment to PDX would be unconscionable. He gets his 9mil, and Blazers are both penalized and unable to use his services when neither had reached any sort of buy-out agreement.
Darius will probably play, and PDX will probably appeal, and may use media articles to demonstrate that GM’s knew of the detriment to PDX and played Darius Miles in bad faith to hurt PDX’s capspace. That whole fiduciary duty thing holds quite a bit of weight, holds you to a higher standard of ethics. If it even smells like bad faith in a fiduciary relationship, it probably won’t go well for the "bad-faith-er" (not a legal term, but it’s more simple than "tortfeasor")
This will probably not be over for a while…
"Step up to my mic!!!" Joel's right and left fist
I really think this is what will happen. He'll get signed, play, and we will appeal and win.
by dario argento on Jan 8, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
God bless America.
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 8, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
sorry, it's Hurrakane212...don't sue me for spelling your SN wrong
"Step up to my mic!!!" Joel's right and left fist
hah, I reposted this
without seeing you’d all ready done it.
remember guys, in the legal world. three important phrases are
“Good faith”
“reasonable”
and most importantly… “It depends”
Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in San Antonio
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A
by HurraKane212 on Jan 9, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
ah, it was a Motel 8
us 1L’s ain’t got the cash to afford the Holiday inn
Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in San Antonio
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A
by HurraKane212 on Jan 9, 2009 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
Seriously KP is a genius
if he could extend his GMing reach from not just the basketball court but to the courtroom, he’d be inducted into the GM hall of fame for sure.
Gotta give credit to Larry Miller
as well on this one, I love that guy, always there shaking hands at the games.
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 8, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
More important issue
Should Bayless have the racing stripes in his hair?
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape.
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 8, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions 16 recs
that would scare me senseless
Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
rec
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Jan 8, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
tigers couldn't sneak up on him
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Jan 8, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
OMG REC
REC REC REC
That was awesome… it’s my new sig
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
I looked for it on youtube but no luck
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 9, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
Make it green
Rec’d
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 8, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
That gave me
the same feeling I get when I watch the Southwest commercial, except the happy kind of tingly instead of the I’m-peeing-myself-cuz-I’m-terrified kind. Bayless is like a mother grizzly or Delta Force. You love him if he’s on your side…and don’t ever, ever piss him off if he’s on the other.
by BlazersOrBust on Jan 9, 2009 2:20 AM PST up reply actions
it would be very Exorcist-like
Definitely, no escape. – Elgin
If you smile at me I will understand, because that is something everybody everywhere does in the same language. - Crosby/Stills/Kantner
you know whats funny?
i’m seeing more and more people with racing stripes in town…and by more and more i mean 2 people. which is still 2 more than i’ve seen in the last 15 years.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 8, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
lol i think so too
its so rediculous that i get a belly laugh everytime i see it.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 8, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
I'm working hard to let him know he is missing a lot.
Hopefully he will give us credit for the messages.. hehe :)
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 8, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
i emailed dave
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
i'm pretty sure
that emailing him won’t make him visit this site any quicker. i would think dave checks BE before his email anyways.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 8, 2009 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
i just like to stalk him anyway
well not really but seriously i simply said" be is exploding, just thought you would want to know"
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
isn't nic going to get jealous knowing your stalking someone else?
by dario argento on Jan 8, 2009 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
i can multi task he needs to understand that i;m an independent woman b4 we move forward
i’m all about women suffrage unlike dave…
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
btw, when are you going to make your move on Nicky?
I dream about it every night… oh oh oh…
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
I'll just go for the beer and food....and karaoke. God I love wedding karaoke.
by dario argento on Jan 9, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
really?
i’ve never been to a wedding with karaoke before…but thatd be fun.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 9, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
I call dibs on videographer
I’m talking Honeymoon night of course…
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
hehe
you’re bad
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
I think it would be hot...
that’s all.
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
i choose to be flattered by that comment
haha
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
my computer is going so slow now :(
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
we killed BE
I wish I could remember what event it was that we got it bogged down like this before..
Finals? Summer League? Draft? I dont remember!!
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 8, 2009 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
Oden draft and the Laker game
then the SA game and surely the draft
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
We nailed this site for the Laker game
Then it was back to normal by the fourth quarter, but let’s not talk about that…
no kidding i cant believe I brought up a game that didn't actually happen
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
Before the SB Nation make over
It slowed up something terrible in gameday threads
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 9, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
still does for me
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
It was terrible before
Less people posting, but just as slow (or worse).
Everyone was hitting refresh all game and pegging the server.
ya
its a lot better now than before…it took awihle to get used to, but i like the auto scroll and update features when people post.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 9, 2009 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
Larry Miller = Mike Tyson (in his prime)
You hear the voice and you think softy, then the bell rings and BAM, stright to the dome
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
I hope an exec has seen the response here
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 8, 2009 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
When KP gets to the office tomorrow
his first order of business will be to check out what the BEdgers are saying about the shot across the NBA’s bow. Then he will eat lunch.
I don't know if it will help with the Miles situation
I do know we come off as jerks and I don’t like it.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 8, 2009 11:56 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with that
This might work, it might not. But it certainly fails the “shoe on the other foot test” – if another team did it, would you be okay with it
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 8, 2009 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
but really is it any more jerkish than other gm's publically saying they sign miles just to ruin the capspace?
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
WAY less jerkish
not jerkish at all
just legally flipping them off
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
yes, slightly...
… because you might argue Miles has a right to play basketball for a living without someone threatening his potential new employers.
Boomshakalaka
but does was he not morally and legally supposed to "earn" that b4 he was deemed unable to play
i mean Miles knew this would happen and milked it. The blazers probably anticipated that Miles would do this. I’m all over miles on this situation
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
In this situation, everyone involved comes out looking like selfish, egocentric jerks.
I kind of enjoy that, though, because it vividly exposes our true colors as human beings.
no doubt
it exposes the NBA for the cut throat business it is. May ruin some of the more naive fan’s day…
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
don't take this as an insult ...
your consistently pure level of complete cynicism is quite impressive. Were you like this before Stern and Bennett ruthlessly stripped you of your basketball team?
i dont know how this works
but does miles necessarily have a case? i understand they are limiting his job opportunities…but the blazers could argue that they are still paying him his money owed.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 9, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
I have no idea what the law is
I’m saying it strikes me as somewhat unethical. I’m not losing sleep for Miles, but the Blazers come off as arrogant and overbearing here, to me anyway.
Boomshakalaka
i agree with that
it seems unethical to me too…whether its unlawful i dunno.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 9, 2009 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
Miles can argue that if he comes back, he can make more money if he plays for 10 more years...
sue for opportunity cost…
"Step up to my mic!!!" Joel's right and left fist
Sophia is right.
He is still getting paid, and he was medically retired, so we cut him with that blessing as if it would be better for his future health to not play basketball.
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 9, 2009 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
i dont disagree with you to a point
it’s in my eyes the beginning of proof needed for litigation when they appeal after he plays to games…
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
It's a double edged sword
Blazers are positioning to sue another team, but doing it this way may give Miles/the NBA PA grounds for a claim against the Blazers. This is why the letter strikes me as maybe not the best way to do things, it opens the Blazers to a fair degree of risk
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
Not once rival execs
were quoted in the media.
This is a response to that, pure and simple, saying, “We’re in a joint venture. Watch yourselves, or our lawyers will be calling.”
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
Once again you are right
A pro active legal tactic
by southern oregon on Jan 9, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
miles gets his money through next year
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
Right but GM's were openly stating to reporters they would consider signing him JUST to screw us. That is unscrupulous.
by dario argento on Jan 9, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
Hollinger mentioned this in his chat today
that he was suprised that Mile hadn’t already been signed to a contract as it would be pure profit for them to do it. I guess Hollinger hadn’t heard about the e-mail yet.
But at what point is Miles just a pawn in all of this
If Team A says “Darius sign on the dotted line and play for us” and is only doing that so stick it to Portland, Darius isn’t being sought out to play basketball for a living, he is being sought out for revenge.
Darius is already a pawn here
I don’t know if he is aware or just doesn’t like the Blazers, but I don’t think teams are interested in his basketball ability but that is my guess
by trailblazersfan on Jan 9, 2009 1:18 AM PST up reply actions
OK
So the guy sits around for 2+ years balloons up in weight. Get’s legally determined to be medically retired and then takes a quick trip to Jesus Tomb in Jerusalem and he’s able to ball again? D Miles is NOT the victim here. He never has been. If anything him and his shady agent are the ones causing this problem by D. Miles not wanting to work for his money. He would still be sitting on his duff if he was on Portland’s roster. However, now that he can pad a few more hundred thousand dollars he is magically healed and able to play. Unless you are saying KP and the League conspired to illegally medically retire Miles then clearly D. Miles is not the victim here but is a punk at best.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
no
cuz they wouldnt openly admit to it.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 9, 2009 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
It gives us some character
It’s gonna be kind of nice to hear the pundits giving us street cred.
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 8, 2009 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
we are G's
for sure
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
the statement by LM was issued thursday according to the si.com article
so does that mean 1/8 or 1/1?
Must be 1/8
Otherwise they’d note it was not during the current week (ie. they’d say “Last Thursday” to signify the time that passed)
the reason they say "thursday"
is so that they don’t have to update it for another week.
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Jan 9, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
posted this in the other thread
at one of my property lectures an intellectual property attorney introduced me to the concept of worst-case-scenario time travel. Imagine that someone has infringed upon your clients patent and you’ve not taken measures to protect him and you are in front of a jury. If you could go back in time, what would you have done differently so that you could tell it to the jury? Figure out what that is and do it now, beforehand.
The Blazers are setting up a "bad faith" argument. They are laying the foundation for a formal complaint. If this deters suitors for Miles, all the better. Also, since Miles was ruled unfit to play by an impartial doctor and he is still getting his money, it would be hard for him to push a case against PDX because the detriment to PDX would be unconscionable. He gets his 9mil, and Blazers are both penalized and unable to use his services when neither had reached any sort of buy-out agreement.
Darius will probably play, and PDX will probably appeal, and may use media articles to demonstrate that GM’s knew of the detriment to PDX and played Darius Miles in bad faith to hurt PDX’s capspace. That whole fiduciary duty thing holds quite a bit of weight, holds you to a higher standard of ethics. If it even smells like bad faith in a fiduciary relationship, it probably won’t go well for the "bad-faith-er" (not a legal term, but it’s more simple than "tortfeasor")
This will probably not be over for a while…
Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in San Antonio
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A
I think this is a good analysis of the situation
i’ve anticipated that Miles plays and the Blazers sue . This "warning " is part of the whole process.
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
i reposted for you up top here...
i’m good at that tonight!
"Step up to my mic!!!" Joel's right and left fist
w00t!
i’m copy/paste worthy! My mother would be so proud!
Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in San Antonio
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A
by HurraKane212 on Jan 9, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
Well guys, it's been fun
But if I stay here any longer tonight I’m going to crazy (wait, already have). Sleep well, if you happen to get any tonight, and we’ll all be rushing for the sports page in the morning.
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Jan 9, 2009 12:01 AM PST reply actions
Way too early
Yahoo and CNN have general articles up. We won’t see anything hit the fan until tomorrow, most likely.
It just hit ESPN.com
about 15 minutes ago
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3820794
They really are slipping if it took them that long to pick up on this.
it's pretty amazing that at the same time this story broke
there was an earthquake in southern California coincidence or not????
by trailblazersfan on Jan 9, 2009 12:05 AM PST reply actions
hmm Lakers must be mad.
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 9, 2009 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
it's a conspiracy, they just keep creating disasters to get Yao to pay them "recovery" money
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
that was over the top
but this whole thread is reeking conspiracy theories, i thought i’de thicken the plot. maybe Miles works for the Chinese mafia and has a part in the small amount of votes roy receives in all star voting
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
The Illuminati and Freemasons are obviously behind all of this.
by dario argento on Jan 9, 2009 12:14 AM PST up reply actions
further and more dramatic
NBA= Medici Family
Blazers=Florence and rest of Italy
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
ok now thats awesome sophia
Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
The New World Order has a stake in the Euroleague, so this is all about killing the NBA.
Okay, that made no sense even to me. Alas, a majority of my jokes tend to fall flat like that.
They are characterizing it as if we hired the doctor
and we got some sort of benefits for cutting his career short.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
clearly that would have been dumb
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
He was really excited about this.
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 9, 2009 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
I love the Portland defenders
:)
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 9, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
Next blazers edge night at the agency for sure
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 9, 2009 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
is that an official event?
or is that just something someone here puts together on a whim?
by Philthyanimal on Jan 9, 2009 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
It's an official event
If I was quick and smooth like other posters I’d get you the link, but I’m tired.
It’ll be the next couple months though
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 9, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
oh
we should do a non official one then for an away game or something.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 9, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
I'm always down.
My 2 games I was lucky enough to go to were both holiday games, Halloween, and Christmas.. Buteven then I’m always up for pre game chill.
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 9, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
maybe the clips game?
thats like the only away game in the near future with a 7 o clock start time…all the others are on east coast time.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 9, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
i think it's in march
dave deemed it so ,
we have to follow
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
March 5th
"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" Buck Williams
by Fund A Mental on Jan 9, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
strong evidence that Miles is healthy enough to play...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYJbuxJiHSo
Boomshakalaka
All accounts say that he could get himself into condition to play
But that it would do long-term permanent damage to his knee to play again.
As far as I know, that was the cause of the medical retirement, not the inability to jump.
yeah, the doctor was saying something about him possibly having to have the knee replaced if he continued to play.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
The sad part
about that play, is before his injuries he would have blocked that shot with his arm pit, now he just gets a hand on it.
voice of Pete Prannica!
Former Blazer broadcaster!
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Jan 9, 2009 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
he had to LOVE calling that play
he was fired by the Nash/Patterson reign of terror when Paul Allen was laying off tons of people. He definitely doesn’t like the Blazers organization.
(side note- as annoying as the Mikes can be, Pranica was worse. Snapper Jones made him tolerable).
Boomshakalaka
I can't stand Snapper...maybe cuz he was a grump outside the broadcast booth
"Step up to my mic!!!" Joel's right and left fist
yup
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
other teams
will piss and moan and posture, but we’ll see if they bite.
media will have fun with it, but the gators win will overshadow it, so great timing!
Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in San Antonio
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A
A REPOST FROM THE OTHER THREAD
Timmay asked me to re-post this, so I shall.
NOT THAT WE GOT ACCESS TO ALL OF THE DETAILS… But my fancy pants Ivy league lawyer fiancee says the Blazers are likely okay in all scenarios, based on what we know as fact and what we can safely assume about the expertise of PA’s legal army.
FIRST: the medical retirement rules were not made with this situation in mind. It was written to prevent teams from getting out of big bad deals and then re-signing the player, not for guys deemed by independent docs to be too injured to play anymore and then to make a come back. The Blazers would appeal the money going back on the cap and likely win.
SECOND: Paul Allen is lawyered up out the wazoo, as would be Larry "I ran Nike and know what I’m doing" Miller. This has been risk assessed and gone over a billion times by other fancy pants Ivy League lawyers. It would be much easier to prove a franchise hurt another franchise’ business by signing Miles with no intention to really play him in this VERY UNIQUE situation than it is the Blazers preventing Darius from getting another job, after being cut a few times by different teams after being medically retired and STILL not in good enough shape after over 2 years of rehab.
Darius hasn’t been able to keep a roster spot in the best situation in the league for him, the Grizzlies. They had the space, were bad, and took a chance on him. He wasn’t worth the marginal salary it would take to keep him (a vet minimum salary is also half paid for by the NBA, making it even cheaper). Darius has had plenty of chances to find a job and has been unsuccessful. The Blazers letter comes out after this, so it didn’t prevent him from getting work.
Darius could sue, but he won’t. He will lose, and doesn’t have nearly the resources PA does.
Ethical or not, it doesn’t matter. This frightens off anyone who might have the bright idea of signing Miles to muck with the Blazers, or to make a few extra hundred thousand from the luxury tax payment they’d get from Portland being in luxury tax land. Do you, struggling owner of the Grizzlies, want to battle with PA’s billions? Heck nah, phoo!
This is a strong arm tactic that makes sense from the Blazers perspective, and would be MUCH more unethical if it was sent out before Darius had plenty of chances to find a job.
Darius’ injury has robbed him of his athleticism, which was the only thing he had before. I rooted for Darius to make a team personally, as I hate promising careers being ended because of injury. He is obviously not ever going to be the same again, which should be expected after the YEARS of doctor examinations and tests by independent docs and the insurance companies.
The Blazers were obviously at least a little worried that another team would try to mess with us, so they made clear they wouldn’t sit back and let it happen easily. Darius doesn’t have the resources even if he had a case, and he doesn’t likely have a case as he hasn’t been able to get a job on his own before this.
I’m sure this won’t help, but the Blazers only don’t have a case if Miles actually sticks somewhere and plays. If anyone wanted him and he was capable of playing, HE WOULD BE PLAYING.
This is a wierd situation with no precedent. I don’t blame the Blazers for being aggressive, and you can probably assume our aggressiveness will pay off for us. The aggressive team gets the calls, after all.
I am only engaged to a smarty pants lawyer, and my pa is a lawyer, and one of my sisters. I am not an expert. But this isn’t as bad as all that. Like always with the Miles situation, we just gotta wait and see.
Rest assured the Blazers have, uh, pretty good legal advice. Billions of dollars still buys good advice these days.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jan 9, 2009 12:20 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
"ethical or not, it doesn't matter"
spoken like a true lawyer.
By the way, Darius’ athleticism is NOT gone. Proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYJbuxJiHSo&feature=related
Boomshakalaka
but can he run a court
seriously
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
i dunno
and he actually didn’t get that high, but if he’s healthy enough to do that, he has a place in the NBA just as much as the Raefs of the world.
Boomshakalaka
it makes you wonder
how much damage he is doing to himself by playing…at least thats what the drs suggested.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 9, 2009 12:26 AM PST up reply actions
pre-knee issues
Miles would have blocked that shot with his head or armpit, so sad to see him lose that ability so young.
come on, seriously?
there are probably a lot of people that can jump high …and that’s it. He cant move back forth pivot rotate stop plant move again and sustain for any decent amount of time…
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
im guessing actually
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
In that Celtics thread you mentioned
“Although I didn’t watch Miles playing for them, what I saw in the pre-season, as I repeatedly said, was someone very, very far from being athletic enough to play pro basketball (and not only in the NBA, I’m pretty sure that the pre-season Miles wouldn’t find a spot in the Portuguese domestic league, for example). Unless he improved his condition by a lot since then, I can’t see him anywhere near to be a contributor for a NBA team.”
by trailblazersfan on Jan 9, 2009 12:29 AM PST up reply actions
i;m ASSuming
;)
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
brings a whole new meaning to
crushing ASSuming…
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 9, 2009 1:14 AM PST up reply actions
i bathed today
it was a helluva ordeal
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
tell us more!
j/k ;-) iz married. couldn’t pass up the opp tho
Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in San Antonio
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A
Well, here's reason #1487 as to why getting married is a terrible idea.
It can put restrictions on one’s imagination, which is never a good thing.
Well Sophia...
if you wouldn’t have tried to stuff 6 foot 8 inch Nicolas Batum in a 5 and-a-half-foot-long tub with you, it probably woulda’ made things a heckuva lot easier.
If you think I'm insulting you, I'm insulted that you'd even think that I would think of insulting you.
Without his contract, Raef wouldn't have a place in the NBA
I don’t mean that as an insult, I bet he already knows that going into this Summer without a contract.
my point is that if I'm running another NBA team...
… and I have a roster spot that I could fill with, say, Luke Jackson or Darius Miles (both of whom can fill 2 min of garbage time), I’m filling it with Darius Miles because it carries the ancillary benefit of hurting the Blazers.
Boomshakalaka
Which is why this is an issue
But why would you take an unathletic Miles over a pretty healthy Jackson?
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 9, 2009 12:32 AM PST up reply actions
And... that's why the Blazers did this
So that the GM takes Luke Jackson, to have a player, and not just to hurt the Blazers.
Both are unethical moves, if you wanna see it like that. The Blazers act unethically to prevent another team acting unethically. Doing a wrong to prevent a wrong makes a right ;-)
M—
but how do the Blazers have a case here?
If Miles is healthy enough to play in garbage time, he has by definition not suffered a career ending injury, and therefore the Blazers shouldn’t receive benefits as if he did.
Boomshakalaka
ok but the Blazers didn't make that medical decision
the MD from the Players Assoc. did. They were following his/her advice, that playing on the knee could cause potential serious injury to Darius and he is therefor unfit to play. Why would you keep him?
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
The docs argument always was
That continued play could result in needing a knee replaced.
It doesn’t mean he can’t run and “play” on his knee as is. It is Miles’ risk to take, and another team’s risk to take. Obviously, no one has wanted to really take the risk beyond taking a flyer to see where Miles is at in his recovery, or he would be on a team.
If they are only signing Miles to screw the Blazers, I won’t cry myself to sleep at night for the Blazers to do their best to prevent that. You’re actually bothered by the Blazers writing a letter like this to prevent another team from doing something MORE unethical?
Miles might just need more time to get in shape and rehab. It’s only been two years and he had an awful injury that kept re-injuring itself. If he was ok enough now, he would be on a team, as simple as ’dat.
He might be ok again in the future, who knows.
It would be the first time it ever happened, as you know. If he isn’t good enough to play now and a team only signs him to screw the Blazers, that is more unethical than telling a team “hey don’t do that or we will sue”.
M—
I'm not losing any sleep
I just think the Blazers come off as arrogant here, and I don’t really see why they have a case. I’m not a lawyer though.
Boomshakalaka
It may not be that they'd be after the goal of hurting the Blazers
but rather wouldn’t mind getting their hands on a little of PA’s cash through the luxury tax, seeing as a lot of other teams are suffering with the economic downturn. Not sure which would be the more motivating factor.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
It'd be both
Unless they wanted Miles the player.
And no one does, or MILES WOULD BE ON A TEAM FOR ALMOST NO MONEY ALREADY.
Morty
He's tall with long arms and used to be an athletic marvel
If he maintained any of that he’d still be reasonably athletic for a normal person.
If he was still NBA athletic, he’d be on a NBA team. That was the argument before all of this, and it’s the same thing. Darius was a very talented player before, but one who relied on his athleticism. If he doesn’t have the same athleticism, he isn’t worth much as a player on the court.
He’s not an invalid or a cripple. The docs just think playing on his knee is risky.
And again, if he was athletic enough to be useful, he’d be on a NBA team.
Mortimer
But... will he?
If he couldn’t stay on the Grizzlies, I don’t expect he’ll make a team.
His contract would be half paid by the NBA and if he was ANYTHING close to what he was, he would be signed.
He is STILL out of shape after 2 years of rehab. He doesn’t move well. Again, it’s not like he’s a cripple so just being able to walk without a limp or something doesn’t mean he is okay.
As always I will wait and see, and I hope he does come back because I was always a fan of what Miles could potentially do. I do not ever root against him or any other injured player.
Morty
10 day contracts
Memphis decided he wasn’t worth GUARANTEED money for the whole season, but any team can sign him to a 10 day.
Boomshakalaka
Memphis has Darko returning
another reason they decided not to stick with Miles.
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 9, 2009 12:34 AM PST up reply actions
honestly though Mortimer
why doesn’t Miles make the effort to return to playing form while a Trail Blazer as arduously as he did in order to make a team? Thats what irks me the most.
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
sometimes you dont realize wuts important till uve lost it
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
Honestly, I don't want to see him come back
But it’s not because I have anything against him. I just don’t want to see him get permanently injured. I’d rather he go enjoy his life, rather than try to prove he can return while doing major damage to an important body part.
I’m dreading the video on ESPN showing him crumpled on the court, in pain.
If he could continue without doing damage, then hey, play away. Otherwise, I understand why the NBA (and the players union) cleared his early retirement.
i was just responding solely to the comment that anyone that can jump like that has a place in the NBA
JKSNAKE knows better than that…
i’m feeling femaledogish …i dunno why anyway
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
what is femaledogish?
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 9, 2009 12:34 AM PST up reply actions
bitchy
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
havent you had issues with language before?
try not to get sucked in to that kind of thing
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
lol that was a trippy movie
i had to watch it in 9th grade biology class. kind of interesting.
"Man with 1 chopstick go hungry." ~W.P.
or do any lateral movement on that knee whatsoever?
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
pfffft
foye sux. Sophia could do that.
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 9, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
even on her bad leg!
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 9, 2009 12:28 AM PST up reply actions
w00t
like i was sayin! and I’m just a 1L/ ex-paralegal
Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in San Antonio
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A
by HurraKane212 on Jan 9, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
<3
you rock , tell that to your fiance
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
tell your fiance thanks
and GO BIG RED. Its gonna be a good Ivy race this year with Harvard (which just beat Boston College) and Penn this year, but I think Cornell’s gonna repeat and go back to the dance.
Boomshakalaka
Thank you
great stuff
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 9, 2009 12:25 AM PST up reply actions
Seriously though
tell her thanks from me. Glad someone with a JD was on hand. Us 1L’s, we stupid. We don’t even understand Eerie (no one does).
Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in San Antonio
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A
by HurraKane212 on Jan 9, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
man that sucks...
that your fiancee is a lawyer…it must have been hard when she made you sign the pre-nup
"Step up to my mic!!!" Joel's right and left fist
mortimer gets owned of duz rong, lol
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
I don't hold anything against Darius and would never cheer against him pursuing his career...
If someone said I can’t do my job that i love (not saying Darius loves bball) but I know I can do it…I would go out of my way to prove it.
so i support him trying to make a comeback. just as long as it doesn’t hurt the Blazers.
"Step up to my mic!!!" Joel's right and left fist
is it even possible for him to comeback without hurting the Blazers? ??
"Step up to my mic!!!" Joel's right and left fist
One would assume that he would have his own best interests at heart though
The doctor who determined him too damaged to play said that if he did play he would more than likely need to have his knee replaced. Seems to me that, keeping his health would be more important than proving someone wrong when it wasn’t the Blazers making the final determination to begin with.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
very true...pro-atheletes tend to take those chance.....i.e. boxers, NFL players...
"Step up to my mic!!!" Joel's right and left fist
Yep
Read this:
(caution really icky knee scar picture)
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/080829&sportCat=nfl
That isn't even the worst picture of his knee floating around in cyberspace
While Darius’ knee hasn’t had as much work done on it as Reggie’s, at some point I think you need to say “As much as I love playing in the NBA, I love walking without pain more” Clearly Reggie wishes he could go back and make some better choices in regards to his knee health.
Goodnight friends
I must wake early for another long day taking bets on horse races, thus is life.
We owned this night.
Roy To The World
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 9, 2009 12:40 AM PST reply actions
sleep tight
<3
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
night buddy...
thanks Blazerhopeful wherever you are for the find tonight….i’m hitting the hay too.
"Step up to my mic!!!" Joel's right and left fist
do you like your job?
sounds like it’d be kinda’ cool. You know you’re gonna’ win.
"Man with 1 chopstick go hungry." ~W.P.
A combined 815 comments in two threads over 3 hours
And finally everyone is getting worn out.
That was a fun little stretch there.
Did everyone catch that Dave snuck in a post? I presume he’s off writing a thesis as we converse…
I am seriously surprised at the lack of Bayless fanposts after the Detriot game
I think this whole Miles situation has taken over the Bedge.
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 9, 2009 12:48 AM PST up reply actions
Apparently a good game from a rookie is nothing, compared to
A juicy story that lawyers get involved in!
And a nasty e-mail among NBA owners. We never hear about those publicly.
Ben's post said most of what anyone could say about Bayless
and people had argued the Bayless issue to death prior..
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
I'm so tired of people arguing about Bayless or LMA
I think at this point, I’m ready to hear arguing about Sergio, Travis and Nate again.
the sergio thing is sooo last year
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
I bet that the debate circling around LaMarcus Aldridge is by far the most bothersome to ...
most Trail Blazer homers, because they envision him to be a part of the so-called “Big Three” beside Brandon Roy and Greg Oden. The problem, though, is that Aldridge doesn’t appear to be a championship caliber player.
Bayless is the greatest combo guard EVAH
He’s like a combination of a healthy Penny Hardaway, an in-prime John Stockton, Steve Nash from two years ago and Gary Payton.
Or, maybe he’s a stronger Monta Ellis. One of the two.
Boomshakalaka
I'll go with a physically functioning Jay Williams.
Williams got in a motorcycle crash and Monta Ellis had an accident on his moped; thus, I suggest that Jerryd Bayless should avoid riding, uh, bicycles.
ahh Jay Williams -- formerly known as Jason Williams -- that kid could play
he and Blake usta square off in these MD/Duke death matches…he went to HS in my wifes hometown..bright bright guy – -actually got a degree fr duke in 3 years…
will always have a bit of respect for Chicago making good on his contract when they didn’t have to – - wish he knew how to ride better – - woulda enjoyed watching his career play out
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
It's on ESPN.com now, top of the NBA section
Joe Freeman’s working late at O-live too.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/01/new_darius_twist_blazers_issue.html
love the headline
Reports: Blazers try to blackball Miles
by trailblazersfan on Jan 9, 2009 1:03 AM PST up reply actions
seriously?
ugh
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
I didn't make that up
the national media are trying to make this into a big story
by trailblazersfan on Jan 9, 2009 1:08 AM PST up reply actions
wow
this could be bad at first what a turrible spin
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...
See y'all tomorrow
When we’ll likely be talking about ESPN’s coverage all day.
If they can tear themselves away from Pacman Jones and BCS coverage, and slobbering over the Friday night BOS-CLE game.
So what happens if Miles gets signed, we have to pay the luxury tax,
then we win the appeal on the salary being put back on our books? Does Paul Allen get paid back by all the teams that got his money in the time between?
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
The cap space is not important? Nobody would sign Darius? Ha ha yeah right
Throwing the gauntlet in Dave’s general direction ;-)
I think the 4.5 million in luxury tax makes a difference to PA
I’ve looked through the free agent class this summer and I don’t really know who we would spend the money on. Re-signing who we have seems like the only thing we should be concerned with.
by trailblazersfan on Jan 9, 2009 1:32 AM PST up reply actions
Also true, PA is a billionaire but in the past he was reluctant to spend money for nothing
As for the free agent class, yes there is little amazing in there (unless Kobe declares), but as I tried to point out in several posts we could be left with just 4 to 9 million (if they let Ike and Channing walk) and you don’t get much for that. The Blazers might even push deliberately over the cap to get an MLE.
i luv u BEdge
the blazers edge brain trust is the best. ive read the comments in all the national and local stories, and even thow it took over 800 comments to gain some true perspective, i trust that anyone that has read the entirety of these threads could well argue for the blazers with anybody. some of the comments outside of the bedge seam so shortsighted and lacking after having read wut weve created. there have been a ton of comentors that have positivly contibuted to my perspective on this situation. thanks all, its been fun.
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
nice wrap-up MTR
"The Portland Trail Blazers are aware that certain teams may be contemplating signing Darius Miles to a contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions....."
Much like ON the court, protecting your interests is more important than playing nice
The rest of the league is going to hate a small-market team standing up for itself. And I’m sure a lot of sensitive Portland fans will tear their hair out worrying about what others think of us.
Me? I think it’s great. Notify everyone that if they sign Miles, they will be under a microscope.
Miles gets paid one way or the other. Let’s not pretend Miles really cares about his NBA legacy.
Blazer Fan
If you're going to shout to people that you're carrying a big stick
you better be carrying that big stick.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
The best part of all of this
is it forces the league to clarify this issue. Common sense would say no team should have to worry about getting screwed over by a vindictive player or team, especially when all the rules have been followed. I expect the league to clarify, absolve Portland of the cap hit, and Darius can go out and prove that he really wants to play, not just bend us over.
I would guess the league
would love to screw us over.
The email just adds fuel to the fire.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
I don't know if it's already been mentioned (I can't find it)
But David Aldridge has a small article on nba.com homepage right now that has the league’s executive director, Mr. Hunter, basically calling KP and LM out and saying “Given my own druthers, I’d have a complaint filed in U.S. District Court this afternoon,” when asked about his reactions to the team’s letter.
That’s not great news, but I’m all for this letter based on the syntax (that’s the big word for the day) of the letter alone. I don’t think of this as whining so much as showing some backbone and grit on the business management side of the organization. Go Blazers.
two days in,
and even though it seems we might be standing on solid legal ground, we are DEFINITELY not winning the PR war. Headlines like “Blazers Try to Blackball Miles” do not help our cause. We will definitely come out of this looking like bad guys. Whether the PR hit is worth it for the shot at some extra cap space, I guess we’ll have to see about that. Miles and his agent have positioned themselves as victims and KP has already developed a reputation for being aggressive and threatening to the NBA front office status quo. I think we’re getting into Mark Cuban territory with this one — that is, alienating ourselves from the “old boys’ network” of NBA front office and media types and becoming a polarizing figure in the league.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
FanShots
Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.
Recommended FanShots
Recent FanShots
In Association With
Ball Don't Lie - NBA - Yahoo! Sport
- Days of NBA Lives: Wherein Roy Hibbert tap-dances to Maine
- Grizzlies Valentine’s Day cards are the key to love
- Kevin Love would like the NBA to take the MLB’s approach on All-Star games
- Kobe Bryant fires a few hilarious salvos at Jeremy Lin
- Brandon Jennings states the obvious regarding his 2014 free agency, everyone goes nuts
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
