Miles Update
As has been pointed out in the sidebar a couple of times, Adrian "Spell THIS, Sucka!" Wojnarowski over at Yahoo Sports is reporting that pre-season games actually count towards Darius' total when determining if he's played 10 games this season. He played 6 for Boston, plus 2 regular-season games, leaving just 2 left for him to qualify. Adrian says he has confirmation from the league office but doesn't cite a source by name. Chances are this will take a little bit to confirm and sort out.
Even if true and even if somebody signs Darius and plays him a token 2 games, refer to the Darius Miles Revisited post below. The thing that amazes me about this is that everybody who reports on this, even people who should understand more of the nuances of this situation, either states or implies that this destroys our cap space and flexibility this summer. A-Woj even goes so far as to cross the Blazers off of the list of destinations in 2009-10. If that were true, it would mean that we only had Miles' original slot to play with in the first place, right? That wouldn't have made us that great of a player anyway.
We'll almost certainly still have space. We WILL certainly have options to create space if we need it. This is not a "Golden State can't sign Gilbert Arenas" situation, nor anything close to it.
Should Miles play those last 2 games I will happily offer a bet to the first serious person who will accept. My end of it will be a unique, specially-designed site t-shirt just for you. We can negotiate the other end depending on who takes me up on it. I will pay off, both with the shirt and public penance, if the Blazers make it through the whole summer without making whatever moves they want to. If they're stymied, still, constipated on the trade or free agent market I will publicly eat my hat. Personally I think you'd be silly to bet the other side, Miles or no Miles.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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I will take that bet Dave
I will buy your kid some Blazer gear if I lose.
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 8, 2009 12:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
(we all know hes gonna play those 2 games)
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 8, 2009 12:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if preseason counts
what division rival wouldn’t sign him for two preseason games?
(outsider here and i don’t know the entire situation, but is it just two games this year, or would next year count as well? you guys are naturally more up to date on this than i am. although, i’d assume that there would still be a host of teams who would make the call to mess up an opponent’s cap space after clinching a playoff spot.)
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jan 8, 2009 12:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think by next year, we have already signed a guy
And they aren’t going to make us give him back.
by pualo on Jan 8, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This truly sucks.
That other teams would purposely hire Miles with the sole purpose of screwing us out of a chance at a superstar and limit our potential to make important moves now and in the future. The window for moves gets alot smaller if this goes down.
Maybe Paul should suggest that he will personally financially ruin any owner whose team engages in this hideous travesty. He might set aside say $500,000,000.00 to such an effort.
OR, do we sign Miles ourselves until the end of the season and then not play him?
OR, does Paul buy that Euro team (on the down low) we need to stash players anyways, and then hire Miles over there to keep him out NBA games?
by LaoTzu on Jan 8, 2009 12:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what makes it so cool
It sucks for the Blazers, but this is some good drama. It’s a blogging blessing.
by tominhawaii on Jan 8, 2009 3:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Allen can do better than that.
He can actually threaten to blast people into space.
by pualo on Jan 8, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ohhhh now you tell us! lol good job NBA
its hard to know what moves would be off the table if the money is back on the cap but there’s definitely plenty of moves that can still be made.
we’re not paralyzed… more like a severely twisted ankle. KP is a gamer like BRoy he will play through it.
by Ben. on Jan 8, 2009 12:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Did you see what I wrote in the Junk Hole?
Marc Stein said in the BS Report that he thinks the insurance money for Raef’s contract doesn’t go to the team he is traded too. It’s probably simple contract law and kind of makes sense to me. I don’t think that’s a big deal though. If a team wants to dump salary, the insurance money isn’t going to prevent a trade if it happens.
by tominhawaii on Jan 8, 2009 3:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i didnt see that… interesting… KP said the exact opposite basically back 3 months ago… obviously we can fairly blame this on tom penn… i will listen to the podcast today… i saw your fanshot about oden/durant…
by Ben. on Jan 8, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
here’s the word from brian hendrickson. i listened to it and stein sounded sketchy. hendrickson confirms he was in error.
“KP told me specifically that any team that trades for Raef gets to carry on the benefits of the insurance payments. Which makes sense if you think about it. The insurance is designed to protect the team that is paying the salary. It would be a little weird if one team was paying it and another was getting 80 percent of it returned.”
by Ben. on Jan 8, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
also i think the payouts go on something like a game by game basis. so whoever has him on their roster for x number of games after 41, gets that proportion of the insurance coverage.
so stein had your undies in a bundle for nothin.
by Ben. on Jan 8, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Admittedly I am a Bulls fan
and this situation is of little importance to me, but I just read that report and was curious of fan reaction. The question I have is, why is this such a big deal? Any team that will be willing to pick him up for two games, probably would have picked him up for eight just as well. To me this new “finding” is totally overblown and it hardly changes anything. Also, the Blazers seem like a really smart organization, I find it hard to believe that something like this will be anything, but a glancing blow.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 8, 2009 12:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
it's getting ridculious
and this is coming from a Blazer fan. Maybe I am nuts but I just have the feeling that Kevin Pritchard’s contingency plans have contingency plans.
IKPWT
Everyone imposes his own system as far as his army can reach.
-Joe Stalin-
by WhiteRabbit on Jan 8, 2009 1:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
are you kidding me?
for a one of a kind Blazers Edge tshirt? everybody hear will want that bet, your ly like a fox Dave. you’ll have so much in winnings, youll have to report it to the IRS
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 8, 2009 12:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
We're not going to have space...
… because we are going to trade the RLEC for a player. The Miles situation reduces the money we’d have to sign a FA, so it makes sense to add via a trade.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 8, 2009 12:23 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'll give my Blazers Edge t-shirt to a homeless person if there is a big trade before the deadline
1. KP has said over and over again that Mr. Allen wants to play with that cap space
2. Webster comes back after the all star break (2/15) which is just prior to the trade deadline (10:00 AM HST 2/19)
3. Bayless is emerging
4. Sergio will stay until the end of the season because of Rudy
5. Once Webster starts playing, Outlaw can play more PF
6. KP doesn’t like to make big mid-season changes (All his past mid-season trades have been minor)
by tominhawaii on Jan 8, 2009 4:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Define "big"
I think KP will try to move Frye and Diogu, so he won’t have to renounce them in June and get nothing for those “assets”. It might just be a “latteral” move (like my idea for Chris Wilcox) but you never know. Barrett said he thinks an “all-star” is coming this way, we’ll see who’s right
One thing I do know, Rudy is not playing “big” minutes alongside Roy (instead of Blake, etc) like you predicted, last spring. (But I don’t expect to see any chocolate Macadamian nuts heading my way…)
by two4larue on Jan 8, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who does KP want back though?
I think they play both of them just like Ime and Jones. Just let them go and tell them if they can get more money, then go get it. They’ll both come in handy this season and then KP will set them free. I don’t think he wants to bother with anything back because he would rather replace them with free agents or resign them for cheep.
by tominhawaii on Jan 8, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a couple scrubs
and a handfull of picks. KP always turns picks into gold.
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
by jamon51 on Jan 9, 2009 2:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he takes folks back
He still has to cut them for the cap space.
by tominhawaii on Jan 9, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets get Adrian Wojnarowski Fired
There is only one reason to write this article with all the other stories in this league. Boo the dynasty hater.
by as11osu on Jan 8, 2009 12:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Let Adrian Know It!
Send Adrian (the writer) a comment…
Don’t let bad reporting fly!
by G0Den on Jan 8, 2009 1:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why would breaking that news be an example of bad reporting? It's just bad news
If it’s true, those super-in-the-loop guys like Quick, Abbott, all those ESPN “Insiders”, etc. should think about letting an important detail slip.
by Norsktroll on Jan 8, 2009 4:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
rec
This meta-story is the real story. What in God’s name are the Oregonian writers doing besides comping lunches? I give Abbott a pass (he’s not a Blazer specialist per se).
by chnews on Jan 8, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what’s amazing about this is that darius’s agent didn’t say something about this. ever. that’s where this news would have come from. the team and league have every reason not to say anything.
i don’t think the oregonian intentionally suppressed this — i know people (myself included) that followed this closely and interacted with people involved in the situation who it never dawned on that preseason would count.
however, the oregonian has indeed been completely quiet about miles… if it wasn’t for sean at oregonlive you wouldn’t know the story existed.
by Ben. on Jan 8, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Talk to timbo.
He can explain how it is all part of a mster plot.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jan 8, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the meta-story is interesting too
But I don’t give Abbott a pass by any stretch. He’s the one with the good connections.
by Corvid on Jan 8, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This doesn't make much sense to me...
Why do those games count against our cap, but not his suspension? It seems like it should be regular season or every NBA sanctioned game, not some mix and match thing like is going on here. I share the sentiment that KP will figure out something to do, no matter whether or not he is on our cap.
by usdblazerfan on Jan 8, 2009 1:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
and said so on the fan shot discussion earlier.
If those games count, then the suspension should have applied. This strengthens our case on appeal, I would guess. If he doesn’t get in 10 regular season games, I’m willing to bet we win that appeal. If he does, it’s a little more iffy.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 8, 2009 2:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed with both
The combo makes no sense at all, especially considering his suspension. The Blazers have so much ammunition if this actually makes its way higher. For ANOTHER team to sign the guy at this point, given his recent history, and to actually play him, it would be flat out dishonest to call it anything but a blatant one sided deal strictly to hurt the Blazers cap situation.
Of course logic isn’t always the strong suit of those dealing in the legality of sports issues.
by as11osu on Jan 8, 2009 2:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
because suspensions are only in effect for regular season games, not preseason games, no matter who it is. The suspension was right to only have been applied to regular season games.
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
by jamon51 on Jan 8, 2009 2:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Although I'm in agreement
that it makes no sense that pre-season games should count.
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
by jamon51 on Jan 8, 2009 2:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
You don’t want guys serving suspensions in pre-season. It’s not that the suspension should have counted for those games, it’s the inconsistency.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 8, 2009 4:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
by jamon51 on Jan 9, 2009 2:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The 10 game thing
I’m pretty sure this isn’t a big deal. The 10 game thing was probably the cut off for the rule. If a team picks him up and just plays him only two games, it’s obvious that the teams doing it to stick it to the Blazers. An appeal by the Blazers would win easily. If he goes to another team and sticks it out the rest of the season, then the Blazers would have to worry.
by tominhawaii on Jan 8, 2009 4:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Right
Even then, there’s the question — should a team be penalized because they followed doctors’ advice (including an independent, league-appointed doctor) and another team decides not to follow that advice?
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 8, 2009 7:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if channlings injured come the off season....do we have any obligation to ...retain/have a cap hold on him?
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Jan 8, 2009 4:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
provided he's still on our roster of course....
and :) JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!!! please :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Jan 8, 2009 4:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We have no obligation
whether he’s injured or not.
If we don’t offer him the qualifying offer, there is no cap hold, and we have no obligation and no right to match other offers.
If we do offer him the qualifying offer, then there is a cap hold until he signs a contract.
If the contract he signs is with another team, we get to choose whether to match it or not. If we match it, the cap hold is gone and his new contract value takes its place. If we don’t match it, the cap hold is gone and so is he.
If the contract he signs is with us (either because he accepts the qualifying offer or we agree an amount with him), again the cap hold is gone and his new contract value takes its place.
All of this is true whether he is injured or not.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 8, 2009 7:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you asking?
It doesn’t have anything to do with that baseball bat you recently purchased, does it?
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jan 8, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Salary math with Darius
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/1/5/709833/the-darius-miles-chronicle
I’m with you that it’s overblown reporting if we fear teams just do that to screw our cap space, and it likely won’t block the move KP wanted to make all along. But can we at least agree that if Darius comes back on our cap – and we lose a potential appeal – it a) costs Paul Allen a ton of money (this won’t matter much to him, though he is no fan of paying money for nothing either) and b) – would make free agent signings next summer way more complicated/limited and thus trades much more likely?
- Wojnarowski is right that we would become a luxury tax payer for the 2008/09 season, netting all non-tax-paying teams about $250K (TrueHoop with the background)
- The insurance would no longer pay a large part of Darius $18 million outstanding salary that comes back on our books
- Let’s assume the salary cap is about $60 million next season. In the current economy, it could actually stay on last year’s level or go down a bit, but that’s more of an important storyline for all the “We need LeBron” teams in 2010.
- As it stands we will have ca. $35 million in committed salary in the summer of 2009 (Roy, LMA, Greg, Martell, Jerryd, Joel, Rudy, Nic, a bit more than a million for a first round draft pick in the low twenties, small cap holds for the rights to PetKo and Freeland). Brings the free space to $25 million
- Add Steve ($4 million) and Travis ($3.6 million) non-guaranteed contracts, or whoever we would get back in a deal with that salary. Lowers the free space to $17.4 million
- Add $9 million for Darius, brings us to $8.4 million
- Add cap holds to make Channing ($9.5 million) and Ike ($8.74 million) restricted free agents, and there is nothing left. Even if let’s say we renounce Ike to let him walk for nothing and just quickly re-sign Channing for about the minimum of $4.3 there wouldn’t be much left. Who do you get for $4 million?
- That is with Raef off the books, so no new salary acquired for him in a trade before
- That is with Shavlik Randolph not re-signed
- That is without bringing Joel Freeland over, just his cap hold
- We will have no mid-level exception, only teams over the cap get that one
So in summary, can we agree that requires some serious cap wizardry to still sign an impact free agent, or without letting valuable assets walk for nothing?
by Norsktroll on Jan 8, 2009 5:05 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
P.S.: It actually might make sense for KP to push us over the cap via trades if that happens to get the higher MLE :)
by Norsktroll on Jan 8, 2009 5:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Channing hasn't looked
like he’s worth $4.3 million this year.
We saw enough last year to know the potential is there. Channing, where hast thou gone? If something doesn’t change, I’d be surprised if he is offered the Q.O. Ike, too.
I don’t think it matters whether Freeland comes over or not, the cap hold is the same as his salary would be, isn’t it?
I think, as things stand right now, you leave Channing and Ike out of your calculations. Perhaps a trade is made, but neither looks like a candidate for receiving a Q.O. right now, which means there is no cap hold.
And that leaves KP the room to make a move for a player who is legit starter quality, but not a potential all-star. Which is probably all he’s in the market for, unless he goes for a consolidating trade.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 8, 2009 7:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are right about Freeland, he would stand to earn ca. $800,000 as a #30 first round draft pick. I briefly thought he was picked early in the second round. Well, that could be a tough sell for KP then. Some European teams could be willing to spend considerably more per year on him.
by Norsktroll on Jan 8, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The dollar
is earning more British pounds these days, so maybe that helps a little bit.
And I suspect Europe’s economy is about to start to catch up in the pain category, and that could significantly affect some teams over here, since they don’t have the major fan base that football does, or that basketball does in the States. Big money may not be as much on offer.
I won’t be surprised if Freeland comes over, if we decide he’s ready. If he plays on a championship team, he’ll all of a sudden be BIG news in Britain, whereas right now no one has heard of him. But the BBC would cover that, for sure — especially if he actually gets some PT.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 8, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to Worry
I suspect the Blazers will trade or let both Frye and Diogu go. Further, they also won’t resign either for $4 million or so – because that’s too high for back up PF’s playing 5 or so minutes a game. However, they will need to plug someone into that spot so Norsktrolls evaluation will leave $5 million to $6 million on the table.
Of course, there’s another piece to all of this that we haven’t discussed, and that is that if Miles gets reinjured, everything can change. And he has a history of injuries. Let’s face it, not only didn’t he play the last two years, but in the three years before that, he only played 1/2 the time in two seasons and 3/4 in the third.
And, it took a team like San Diego to even give him a shot – and for that, they paid the absolute minimum. Neither they, nor anyone else, knows if he can play productively in the league any more. After all, he hasn’t done so for 5 years.
If he gets another injury, he’ll likely be cut. And if the injury is to that same knee, the Blazers can petition to have him removed from their cap- as it would then validate the NBA’s previous ruling.
So, we’ll seen. In the interim we’re 2-2 without Roy, got our first look at JB in this 4 game stretch, and are waiting for Martel to show up.
Then, we’ll simply see where it all goes. Whether this year or next, Darius will eventually come off of our cap. After all, next year is the last year of his guarantee. So, whether we make some moves this year, or next, we’ll still make the moves we need to make.
by Eben Calder on Jan 8, 2009 6:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's gonna happen, can we PLEASE just move on and stop talking about it?
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
by hawkblogger on Jan 8, 2009 6:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
sorry, this is just such a frustrating topic with no redeeming value
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
by hawkblogger on Jan 8, 2009 6:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Further
We should keep in mind also that the Blazers, if trading, will trade some value to get value. After all, if you found a forward you like, you can’t keep Batum, Fernandez, Frye, Diogu, Webster and Outlaw, and if it’s a guard, you also can’t keep the five we now have. In both cases we could see a 2 for 1, at a minimum.
Ultimately, we’ll need to take a diet, and settle on the 8-9 players that will eventually be the core going forward. Right now we’re debating 12, with Raef, Shavlik and Webster not on the travelling squad. When Webster comes back, either Frye or Diogu will stop suiting up.
by Eben Calder on Jan 8, 2009 6:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's an incorrect decision, I don't care if the league rubber-stamps it or not
Bush.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jan 8, 2009 6:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
DARIUS WAIVED BY MEMPHIS THIS AM
EAST RUTHERFORD, New Jersey (Ticker)—The Memphis Grizzlies waived forward Darius Miles, the team announced Wednesday.
The 27-year-old Miles collected two rebounds and two blocks in nine minutes in two appearances with Memphis. He was suspended for the first 10 games he was on the Grizzlies’ active roster for violating the league’s anti-doping policy.
I guess with Shaun Livingston still on the team, two knew injuries was enough.
So, the beat goes on. However, if you can’t even get a few minutes with an 11-25 team that could use some help in the front court as badly as Memphis could – where do you go?
by Eben Calder on Jan 8, 2009 7:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Further
They also moved and cut Livingston. And Darius was cut because they didn’t want to guarantee his non-guaranteed contract. And so they cut him.
by Eben Calder on Jan 8, 2009 7:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
How about this
Lets sign Darius for the rest of the year and not play him. He gets paid and we get our cap space next year. I’m thinking he won’t go for that but he would get paid!
by ImNoFairWeatherFan on Jan 8, 2009 9:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
we already
are paying him. And the Blazers honestly are trying to stay on the up and up with this. I think if we sign him at all, that kind of shows that we are worried about him being picked up by another team, and thus he never had a career ending injury in the first place. Plus I think the insurance company that is paying his salary right now, would probably bring a law suit over this.
I was thinking the same thing as you just a little bit ago, and these things were pointed out to me.
Jaws were hitting the floor as Greg repeatedly attempted to tear the rim off the backboard...
by TheOdenator on Jan 8, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Darius
can’t make it on one of the worst teams in the league than that should be validation enough that he can’t play competitive basket ball anymore. Just because a guy can be on the court for 2 minutes at a time doesn’t mean that he can play NBA basketball.
Just my 2 cents.
by SurReal on Jan 8, 2009 10:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
What I don't get...
how was he allowed to play in the preseason BEFORE serving the suspention?
by tmundal on Jan 8, 2009 10:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Conspiracy!
Good question. The official announcement came only in September, months after the actual incident. The NBA press release states “regular season games”
by Norsktroll on Jan 8, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that link is my new sig line
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
jscots a peeyomp
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/1/6/710833/batum-looking-ahead#11245378
by maid tu rek on Jan 10, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ok got it now
They LIED!!!
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 10, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Journalism school
Anyone else find it odd that that Yahoo sports scooped this news, rather than the “professional” journalists who cover the team? Does the Oregonian need to buy them a telephone? {Glances over at Jason Quick and John Canzano, raising eyebrows….}
by chnews on Jan 8, 2009 11:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
A telephone they have
A clue they need.
by EngineerScotty on Jan 8, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Delivered
in a wise Yoda voice, no doubt?
—Dave
by Dave on Jan 8, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Learned well, you have,
my young padawan.
by EngineerScotty on Jan 8, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who knows which city Darius lives in now...
needs to just man up and break his shins with a baseball bat. Serve a few years in jail, but save the blazer’s franchise. Takers?
by jamesjonesismyhero on Jan 8, 2009 1:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting nugget in today's Hollinger chat
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=24458
"Ray (San Antonio): Do you think someone will pick up Miles specifically to screw with the Blazers cap for this summer? Do you see anything wrong with that?
John Hollinger: For those who haven’t been reading PER Diem, screwing Portland’s cap isn’t the main reason to sign Miles — the main reason is to get a piece of the $9 million tax payment the Blazers would have to make to every other team in the league. Split 29 ways that’s a little over $300K, and signing Miles to a 10-day and playing him the two required games (apparently the six exhibition games counted) would cost a fraction of that. So whomever signs him is basically turning a profit. "
Yeah so that medical retirement rule is clearly working as intended. What a joke. Why not just do away with the rule altogether if that’s how it’s going to be??
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jan 8, 2009 1:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's the thing
This completely kills the rule. Any medically retired player can be paid a nice little sum by some other team to run out for a few minutes in a few games and hit his old team with a big cost.
And that’s why we’ll win an appeal. It isn’t just Portland and Darius. It is every team that ever has a medically retired player.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 8, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't we suggest to Paul Allen to finance " The Perfect Score 2 " !
Miles always seemed more interested in the lime light and acting and living it up at the strip clubs than playing basketball. Maybe if he got back into acting he would just go away!
by TheOdenator52 on Jan 8, 2009 3:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Trade machine.....
This one worked on the ESPN trade machine, and gives us some more cap room…I dont really like it, but it makes some sence with all the rumblings….Ike Diogu and his terrible offensive output, Raef LaFrentz expiring contract, and nice guy Channing Frye, along with cash to NY for Marburys bloated expiring contract (there is a reason he hasnt been bought out yet!), (oh yeah….same treatement as Stevie Franchise….never even wears the uniform….waive him!), along with David Lee, then send Travis Outlaw (hate to see him go, but I think its going to happen) to Memphis for Odens buddy Mike Conley. Memphis swaps Milicic for Curry along with a little cash to fatten up the Knicks. It works, kind of scary….but still frees up space, lets us get in the running for CP or someone clutch next summer or summer after….remember we have to sign our own guys too!
by montyb69 on Jan 8, 2009 3:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i was pushing for a similar deal a few weeks back with the same thought of upgrading raef’s expiring deal to marbury’s and snagging lee in the process.
by Ben. on Jan 8, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One wonders what the NBAPA thinks
That’s the players union, for those keeping score… I would think they would have ample incentive for Paul Allen to be a big playa in the free agent market.
by EngineerScotty on Jan 8, 2009 5:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Blazers disagree with Dave
After reading Yahoo’s latest on the subject its clear this extra bit of cap space is very much important to the PTB’s. I don’t see how you can deny its importance in the big picture. 9 million dollars is 9 million dollars. In the NBA that buys a guy like Paul Millsap or Brandon Bass and a lot of players like them. Not getting that cap space back, very much interferes with our future plans. We’re finding out now, even when you tons of talent, things can still get rough.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ap5rPz2HYLSwbMDzGcMDGba8vLYF?slug=aw-blazersthreat010809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
by as11osu on Jan 8, 2009 9:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Very possibly
the Blazers’ action is NOT so much about the cap space for this summer (that may not matter much at all) but about the luxury tax we would have to pay this year.
If someone signs Darius and plays him two games just to make P.A. fork over 9 million dollars in luxury tax so they can make a few hundred grand, it’s no wonder his lawyers are cranking things up.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 9, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhat silly assertion
I never said the $9 million wasn’t worth anything or wasn’t important. I said the talk that Darius’ situation alone was going to ruin our summer was way off base, and still is. Of course the Blazers are taking every chance they can get to keep that salary off of their cap roll. To do otherwise would be like one of us finding a $1000 bill on the lawn, then watching it blow away in the wind and doing nothing about it. Only an idiot wouldn’t chase it. But that doesn’t mean that the lack of $1000 is going to cripple you if the wind blows it beyond reach. It was an extra $1000, that’s all. You still have your regular paycheck and all the options to spend or save it that you always have.
—Dave
by Dave on Jan 9, 2009 3:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully we don’t fall off a cliff chasing our $1000 ;-)
by Norsktroll on Jan 9, 2009 4:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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