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Opponent free throw percentage is killing us! (well not really)

I am kind of new to the site so if this has been covered recently please let me know, but opp. free throw % has been bothering me for a while now i.e. since the Golden State loss when they could not miss from the charity stripe through the Boston home game when they hit their first 21 free throws.  Currently, the Blazers are last in the league in free throw percentage allowed, with opponents shooting .821 from the line (amazingly only 1 team even shoots a higher  percentage than that). What really bothers me about this stat is that at first glance it should be the most irrelevant stat in basketball, because every team plays poor free throw shooting teams and good ones, it should even out.

For starters the league average free throw shooting is about  .768 so that puts the Blazers 53 points above the average.  So basically for every twenty free throws taken the Blazer's opponent makes one additional free throw, so it's not a huge difference in most cases, but in a close game where the opponent shoots 30 free throws it can change the game.

You might think that the disparity is just some strange anomaly and the Blazers have just been unlucky.  But the Blazers have been leading this stat for a long time now at least as long as I have been checking which has been several months.   You could also argue that someone is bound to lead this stat and it will even out in the long run.  I kept thinking this for a while but looking at the numbers this doesnt seem the case.  Every team in the league except for the Blazers has an opponents free throw percentage ranging from ,738-.800.  So the Blazers lead the league by 22 percentage points!  Not only that but every team is within 32 points of the average .768 execept for the Blazers this means the data is not very spread out and with a slight calculation you can check that the standard deviation (wikipedia it if you aren't familiar with statistics stuff, I don't claim to be anything but a novice in statistics so you arent alone) is 17.52, now the Blazers being more than one standard deviation away from the closest team is pretty amazing, which makes me believe that this is NOT an aberration and something very strange is going on.  My question is why do the Blazers allow a higher percentage?

My first thought was that the Blazers play at the slowest pace in the league and because of this players might be more rested and because of this can knock down their free throws more easily.  This argument does seem to make sense and in fact the Knicks who play at one of the fastest paces in the league actually defend the free throw line the best with opponents shooting .738.  However, I can point out that teams like the Mavs and Warriors who play at a fast pace give up a high percentage from the line and teams like the Hornets and Wizards who  play at a slower pace give up a low percentage.

Keep in mind that we shoot about as many free throws as we give up and it's close to the league average (we are 19th on free throws taken its not far away from the average but it needs to get better).  We've played bad shooting teams like Orlando and Miami and good ones like Toronto, so I don't think that's it either.

My only conclusion that I can come to is that the Blazers are fouling higher percentage shooters more often than low percentage shooters and do this to a greater extent than anyone else in the league.  Traditionally the high percentage shooters are wing players and guards not big men.  So what this tells me is that we aren't defending these players very well and they are getting to the line.  Conversely, it also means that we aren't fouling low percentage shooters too often so big men aren't getting to the line.  So if you agree with my conclusions then basically Joel and Greg are doing a great job defensively in one on one situations but our guards are getting killed out there and/or are big men aren't rotating quickly enough to protect the rim without fouling. 

Right now we are 24th (or somewhere in that range depending on what metric you like) on the defensive end; if we want to be a playoff team or an elite team that needs to improve.  IMO and what this free throw nonsense supports is that our guards are killing us on the defensive end, and our big men are not making rotations very well and until we get better there we are going to struggle to make the playoffs.

 

btw I used basketball reference for my stats

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I’m thought about this also— our FT D has been bad for years and I think you may have hit on it— too many good FT shooters get into the lane and draw fouls on our big men who are slow to rotate.

Nice job.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jan 5, 2009 10:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

This is a really good fanpost.

Great point that pace is not the lone factor, but also WHO we’re fouling—i.e. the guards more than the bigs.

Also, I wonder if some of it has to do with our strength of schedule. Better teams = better free throw shooters?

Why does fat chance = slim chance?

by prezofdeath on Jan 5, 2009 10:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

and I haven’t seen previous years’ FT percentage, so I’m just talking about this year.

One other thing that might be affecting this year would be the number of road games we’ve played. I’m guessing teams tend to shoot FTs better at home, and we’ve been playing a lot of road games in this part of the schedule.

Another thing….

This may be a stretch, but I have been doing some reading in various journals and blogs talking about how sleep and time zone changes affect sports players.

22 of our 34 games thus far have been against Western Conference opponents. Thus, there isn’t really a lot of Eastern teams that have come to our building. I’m guessing Eastern teams traveling to the Rose Garden in the second half of the season will help us out as well. Time changes tends to set you off a little bit.

I know that might sound kind of out there, but we’re only talking about a few percent + or -, so I’m just kinda’ brainstorming here. I’ll be interested to read what everyone else suggests on this matter.

Why does fat chance = slim chance?

by prezofdeath on Jan 5, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

interesting, makes sence as a possoble reason

December 18, 2008.

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by maid tu rek on Jan 6, 2009 8:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I blame it on the homecourt fans who are behind the hoop

You people aren’t doing your job!

I don’t think we’re alone in our inability to defend wing players. I doubt that we’re fouling great free throw shooters at a ridiculous rate compared to the rest of the league. I don’t even think we’re the league leaders if FTs allowed which would help explain the high % we give up if it is combined with your fouling wing players theory.

I wonder in all bad defensive teams tend to give up a better % from the line. Although, I don’t know a way of gleaning from stats which teams are bad on the perimeter and which are bad in the paint so as to test the wing player theory.

I still just think it’s a massive statistical anomaly.

"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"

by Magnum on Jan 5, 2009 10:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

that's what I thought at first...

… but this is at least the 3rd straight year we’ve had the worst FT defense.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jan 5, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not quite 3 years running

The Blazers had the 9th worst free throw defense last year, and the worst in the 2006-2007 season. This isn’t a fluke as the Blazers haven’t had free throw defense above the league average since the 2004-2005 season.

I think that it is due to the fact that the Blazers play good free throw shooting teams more than they play poor free throw shooting teams

by tingeyga on Jan 7, 2009 2:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it is an anomaly

the numbers being distributed like that randomly is very unlikely, I am fairly confident in saying there is some real reason why we are so far away from the other teams in the league.

I respectfully disagree with the idea that bad defensive teams giving up a high percentage because the Knicks give up the lowest percentage you can find plenty of other examples like that too.

by trailblazersfan on Jan 5, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

people can win the lottery multiple times

or get struck by lightning, etc

We may give up a few percentage points more than average, but I sincerely doubt we’re fouling good FT shooters at that high of a rate.

"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"

by Magnum on Jan 5, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

there is a formula

that you can easily use to determine if the blazers FT D is “significantly” worse than the league, or if it is small-sample size junk. It’s single-sample testing with a t-distribution.

First, the assumption is that the Blazers are normal, their “true” FT D is in-line with the rest of the league and we’re just seeing a fluke. For the sake of argument, this means that the “T-Value” needs to be less than 1.699 for the Blazers to be ‘normal’.

The t-value is calculated as: (Blazers FTD – League FTD) / (FTD Standard Dev. / square root of Sample Size -1)

so t = (.871 – .768) / (.018 / sqrt(29)); therefore t = 30.82. This blows away that 1.699 value; simply put, the Blazers FTD is unlikely to be a fluke.

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on Jan 6, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

aren't the knicks lacking in quality big men?

if teams punish the knicks d by dumping it into their bruisers, then the subsequent fouls will result in low % shots by big men.

conversely, not only does our perimeter d suck, but teams can game plan around penetrating our d and drawing fouls on our bigs using their wing players.

"I never scored more than 38, even in Little League." ~ Roy, 52 pts

by shralpster on Jan 7, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OK can we please

instead of just waving the thundersticks randomly or banging them together, everyone start with them on the left and then right as the guy is shooting swing them to the right

try to actually mess with perception instead of just all that visual white noise

by DominicanAvenger on Jan 6, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd.

I have also wondered why teams always shoot well against us. Your theory is sound. Bad perimeter defense leads to more FT’s by penetraters ( usually good shooters ). The other thing I get frustrated by is how we always rack up fouls VERY early in the quarter. I’m sick of us being 1 foul away from the penalty when the other team hasn’t logged a single foul. These two things may be connected as well.

by dario argento on Jan 6, 2009 12:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Its a ref conspiracy

"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5

by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 6, 2009 12:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's also...

Switching, and good shooters being matched up on Joel Przybilla,

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on Jan 6, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just spent a really hella long time copying and crunching numbers from basketball reference

and the weighted average of every player that has shot a FT against the Blazers 75.6%. In other words, that’s what we should expect our “FT defense” to be if every player shot exactly their average against us.

That shoots down theory A (that we send better FT shooters to the line). Theory B (random chance) is still out there, but assuming the standard deviation above is correct, it’s about a .1% chance (or 1/1,000).

I propose theory C: Our wonderful bunch of great character guys is completely unintimidating to other teams.

by Gargen on Jan 6, 2009 1:03 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

On second thought

Theory B probably has much better odds than that. The calculator I plugged it in to assumes a perfect statistical experiment, but the ups and downs of NBA FT shooting from game to game is so erratic that it’s not a big enough sample to have any real confidence in the current “FT defense” number.

by Gargen on Jan 6, 2009 1:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

really?

wow.

You took into account how many FTs every player has shot against us? That’s a heck of a lot of work. 75.6% would make the Blazers better than average in FT defense.

Based on how many FTs have been shot against us (23 per game), the difference between teams shooting 82.1% against us and 75.6% against us is a very substantial sum of 61 points— almost 2 per game— which is very significant.

Maybe it is just a statistical fluke. It would be great if teams started bricking FTs against us. Its still hard to believe us being last in this 3 years straight is just bad luck though.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jan 6, 2009 1:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's really interesting

Taking the number 75.6 as the average free throw percentage for our opponents then probability that they would know down at least 641 out of 781 is .000012, of course I am making some standard theoretical assumptions which don’t really hold but that is really unlucky!

(I used a normal distribution and got a z-value of 4.22 to make the calculation)

by trailblazersfan on Jan 6, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We gotta whack them silly!

Look back on all the made and missed foul shots by the Blazers this season. How many times, when our guy misses his FT, did he just get his hand karate chopped or his eye gouged?

“There’ll be non of THIS. And none of THAT. And don’t even think of doing… . Hey, where you running?”

by LaoTzu on Jan 6, 2009 2:42 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

thats something ive been noticing

we dont seem to dish out very many hard fouls, while we seam to take quite a few of them ourselves. another good possibility

December 18, 2008.

"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212

by maid tu rek on Jan 6, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hence kg missing 1 or 2 at the end of the game

after our 1 night o’ physicality, i’ll buy that

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by appel82 on Jan 6, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's why Ray Allen

shot so badly on his after Oden knocked him into the third row.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Jan 7, 2009 4:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes Sir.

That was my first thought. If we (yes I say we) foul someone and they make their free throws obviously we did not foul them hard enough. Send people to the GROUND!

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by Derek @Portland Men on Sports on Jan 8, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

early foul trouble?

I’ve always thought that pace definitely had something to do with it,

so lets assume that FT shooting % over time in a game looks like this \ the line slopes down as time increases, so we’d be saying that the blazers line is less steep due to pace

but maybe also we’ve seen a number of blazers prone to ‘early foul trouble’ this probably increases the likely hood that the person fouled is going to shoot foul shots soon after being subbed in, or getting into the penalty earlier, and thus less tired… and more to the left of the time/FT % graph (at the highest point % wise)

so i’m proposing that it could be fouling early/while allowing high percentage late,
and I haven’t written any play-by-play parser thing to get any adequate data to test it

by contemnor on Jan 6, 2009 2:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

How hard would it be to calculate the percentage of FTs taken by perimeter players?

I suspect that our sucky perimeter defense, and frequent transition lapses are largely to blame.

Seems unlikely that we would be first (last) in this stat three years in a row and have it be random chance.

Who knows, maybe it is all part of the great NBA/Stern conspiracy to crush the small market Northwest!?!

by upper left corner on Jan 6, 2009 7:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nice post!

I’ve commented in post game threads 3, 4… maybe 5 times this year that we lost because the other team made such a high percentage of their free throws.

It’s unbelievable really. If teams would shoot their own averages against us, we would have a few more wins (granted, this was only looked at for a few games where it was true, and it’s possible that we won games in the same fashion, but nonetheless…).

KP needs to look into this. Maybe the team needs to hire that one guy…

(Sorry. I know it slows things down… but it needed to be shown again… it felt right. It never gets old… or does it?)

"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jan 6, 2009 9:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I have watched that five times

and I still don’t know what the **** to call that.

by LaoTzu on Jan 6, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

this should somehow be imbedded as your sigline

simply becouse it so perfectly contrasts with your screen name

December 18, 2008.

"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212

by maid tu rek on Jan 7, 2009 3:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Teams seem pretty at ease shooting in the RG.

when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.

by Net Ranger on Jan 6, 2009 3:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

We don't swarm

The Blazers are last in the league in steals, stay at home, and commit clean fouls on ordinary plays. I’d suspect that players who are hacked “normally” hit FTs at a higher rate than when hacked in a disorganized scramble.

My guess is that we don’t jaw all that much at the FT shooter, ala Gary Payton. We also play in a disproportionately large amount of close games, which may keep concentration from wavering. This season, more games are on the road and it’s possible that FT% is slightly higher at home.

Weird thought, but the Rose Garden court has hardwood where the “paint” would be. Perhaps this makes the FT seem more like a jumper? We also don’t play a lot of funky sounds when the shooter misses, as do other arenas.

Anyway, some ideas. Great post…

by Engineering Problem on Jan 6, 2009 10:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It's the thundersticks--really

Dominican Avenger seems to mention this possible factor in jest. But myself and others have pointed to it for some time. Those dumb things don’t just create “white noise.” Yes, aurally they create a constant noise that’s non-distracting and easily ignored. But visually, they create a PERFECT SHOOTING BACKGROUND.

The things actually highlight the rim, making aim EASIER, not harder. Blazer fans are unwittlingly creating a free throw shooter’s dream. Why can’t someone in the front office recognize this? KP, for one, was an NBA player. This amazes me…

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Jan 6, 2009 11:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Question:

Do any other arenas hand out white thundersticks? If so, maybe my theory could be disproven…

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Jan 6, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

so is the answer orange thundersticks?

"I never scored more than 38, even in Little League." ~ Roy, 52 pts

by shralpster on Jan 7, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm--you probably josh, but it might work

Ideally, though, they’d can the stupid things entirely. Think about pro golfers; they absolutely lose it if anyone moves or makes a sound during their backswing, because it’s UNEXPECTED and comes in the context of COMPLETE QUIET & STILLNESS. But if you were to remove the quiet & stillness, movement and noise wouldn’t bother most of them at all. I mean come on: plenty of pro golfers played team sports in high school. Do you think they jumped out of their skins everytime someone in the stands made a peep?

So if Blazer fans actually wanted to hurt opposing free throw shooting percentages—rather than HELP them—they’d rethink their idiotic strategy. Back in the day, arenas were generally pretty quiet most of the time. So when a fan yelled an insult or suddenly jumped up and down just when a free throw shooter was preparing to release the ball, it actually worked.

Jest something to think about the next time a team hits over 90% of its free throws against the Blazers…

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Jan 7, 2009 2:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

interesting post...

and great discussion. I thought gargen discredited the theory that the Blazers send a higher percentage of guards to the line. That is certainly some thing that can be proven or disproven.

I like the psychological theory:

 Fear=lower foul shooting.

Blazers inspire little fear=Better foul shooting

by Blazin' on Jan 6, 2009 11:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

stat help from hoopsstats.com

hoopsstats.com has the easiest-to-use historical NBA stats. Wonderfully sortable and goes back over 10 years. Here are Portland’s opponents-FT% rankings:
08-09 – 30th
07-08 – 22nd (tie)
06-07 – 29th
05-06 – 28th
04-05 – 17th
03-04 – 19th

by section309 on Jan 7, 2009 12:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe

No one has posted this yet.

We should have Trout do this every time!

by usdblazerfan on Jan 7, 2009 11:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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