Partial Game 34 Recap: Blazers 86, L*kers 100
Unfortunately I can't recap this game completely because for some reason my brand new Tivo didn't like the recording. It started and stopped at exactly the same moment. My guess is it said, "Power on. Now what are we recording tonight? Ewwwww! L*kers?!? Forget that. I don't do that." Then it shut right back off. They're making those machines smarter and smarter nowadays, and apparently with better taste. Fortunately I caught the error at halftime and got to see the second half (or perhaps unfortunately considering the first half was clearly a better one for us) so all of my observations are from that stretch. Since I categorically refuse to recap a game I haven't seen just using stats, the observations are going to be more limited in scope.
General Observations
We got killed in that third quarter, which is typical when going up against good teams when you've played them well early on. They come out of the half ready to prove the game is theirs. If only the evidence hadn't been so convincing...
We had problems with turnovers and 24-second violations. A big part of that was the L*ker defense, but we also had no meaningful penetration which left us up the creek when trying to counter that defense. Basically we ended up hoisting jumpers to the exclusion of everything else throughout the half. We had one of the most amazing-funny-horrific possessions I can ever remember seeing with around 9:30 left in the fourth quarter. We ended up with 5 shots, getting an offensive rebound after the first 4 misses. But the clincher to this quintuple possession was that we launched a three on every...single...attempt. 4 missed threes, one make at the end. And we shot threes on the next two trips down the court as well, totaling 7 in a row. That typified the offense. Mind you, they weren't bad threes. We were open. But you can't keep up with the L*kers while firing jump shots. The law of averages is going to catch up to you.
Also of note: the Blazers have a lot of players who do limited things very well on offense. Lamarcus is going to face up or turn around but not penetrate. Travis is going to jab step and charge to the side then pull up but not penetrate either. Rudy will launch a three or a step-back jumper but won't score off the dribble. Sergio will penetrate off the dribble but won't get a shot up. Blake is a spot-up shooter. Oden will back you down and try the hook. The L*kers had all of that scouted and knew what to do against each opponent. This is where Brandon Roy and his multi-threat offense become important. He breaks down the opponent and draws attention, leaving the other players free to play to their strengths when the defense is occupied. We had no Brandon tonight, nor anything close.
Our defensive effort was just as sketchy. Kobe Bryant could have scored 50 tonight had he wanted. Every time he touched the ball he got a good look with ease. Unlike us, the L*kers were getting penetration which meant their jumpers came off of the dish...wide open with time to shoot. Our big men had a heck of a time dealing with Pau Gasol as well. Nobody could stop him. Oden and Pryzbilla were too slow, Lamarcus too busy, and everyone else too short.
The long and short of it was, we got spanked by a really good team. It was their game to win and they took it. So be it...on to the Pistons.
Individual Observations
Again, keep in mind these are incomplete, based only on the part of the game I saw.
Lamarcus Aldridge looked good on offense. He took the shots the L*kers gave him and didn't force it. I just wish his offensive game would generate more pressure on the defense and more fouls instead of just points. He's like a technically skilled boxer who can land a bunch of punches and win by decision but doesn't have knockout power. You can win against decent fighters like that but when you come up against somebody who can take a punch the effectiveness goes way down. Also there are just too many moments on defense when Lamarcus doesn't look ready. I guess what I'm saying is that he had a great game but not a superstar-level game that carried us beyond ourselves to the win (or close to the win).
Nicolas Batum looked active and confident. He's the first player I noticed in the game. I love it when he gets his energy on. I want to see more penetration out of him on offense even though the Blazer small forward slot is basically penciled in for deep shots. I did cheat and look at the boxscore to see how he did and it appears he had an amazing game...hitting every shot he took from anywhere, scoring 17, and notching 5 rebounds, 4 assists, and a steal.
Greg Oden looked OK. Andrew Bynum didn't look like he did much, so that's a notch in Oden's belt. We just didn't go to the big guy much. We drew some fouls when we did.
Steve Blake was missing open shots like crazy which is a sure sign that the Blazers are going to lose. He fixed it up near the end of the game, but too late. I'll remark again how much we need him.
The L*kers played Sergio for the dribble penetration dish and it hurt.
Rudy had a spotty shooting night but hustled around the court, which is good. He's playing that Euro-League in-between defense though and we're losing points off of it every night. Classic example: end of third quarter, L*kers have the last possession, Kobe is up top with the ball and Rudy is on the left wing watching Vladimir Radmanovic. Kobe starts to drive and Rudy leaves Radmanovic to dive down in the lane. Kobe zips an easy pass to Vlad who launches an effortless three which goes straight in. You can't even count the number of no-no's on that play. Radmanovic is a 45% three-point shooter. Shooting deep is all he does. There was nobody else out there to guard him...it was Rudy's assignment as he was the only one on that wing. He left the entire side of the floor unguarded to become the third or fourth Blazer in the lane, as Kobe was defended and a big man was waiting deep. Plus since he was coming into the lane down the baseline he was way too deep to cut off the passing angle, let alone do anything had Kobe driven the ball all the way. Bryant would have been 90 feet in the air and all Rudy would have accomplished was giving up an and-one. Under the best of circumstances he would have been redundant. We saw the worst of circumstances...an easy three points for the L*kers. And that wasn't the only example tonight. This kind of thing wasn't as apparent when he was playing against opposing second units but it's glaring now. Basically Rudy is getting us extra points and possessions with his hustle and then giving them back again. The net effect is that his contribution tends far more towards neutral than his skill and energy warrant. This is wholly preventable but he won't become a great player, or even a good full-time player, until he shuts off that leak.
Jerryd Bayless was also active and I was impressed by his hard-nosed play. He need to relax enough to make a shot though. The basketball is still round. The hoop is still proportionally bigger than the ball. Just put it in.
Travis Outlaw just wasn't much help from what I could see. This was one of his poorer games in a while. A long while.
Final Thoughts
Roy...back soon?
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--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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As far as the first half goes…the first quarter kicked butt, LA turned it over 9 times in the first 9 minutes, we had something like 8 assists in the quarter, and took twice as many shots as LA (ours weren’t falling at the same rate but our O-boards and defensive effort made up for it).
Batum and Aldridge were the only ones to really step up, Rudy put in his usual tough effort but didn’t get his shots the way they wanted.
yeah, we came out and steamrolled em in the first, then they took that as a ...
“oh, you wanna play” ….and lit their jets. and that was all she wrote. we needed brandon in this one …martell too.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Oden had some good stuff in the first half
and you missed the dunk of the century.
"Another spam message pops up. It gets trapped. Nowhere to go. To the recycle bin. RIP CITY BABY." --Ben describing Schonz checking his email.
i hate questioning Nate because i'm a really crappy backseat coach...
but why are we so rigid with our substitutions? Batum was hot then got pulled in the first…and then we played our starters the usual starter minutes in the 3rd until we were down 15 with a couple minutes left.
Shavlik deserved some time backing up Batum instead of Trout tonight!!!
G.O. Crazy G.O. Crazy, I wanna party in your tummy!!!
Travis stunk so bad
I would trade him and RLEC for 2 tickets to Grace Land right now
by southern oregon on Jan 4, 2009 10:47 PM PST reply actions
At least trade him for Darius Miles
And then never play Darius. Saves cap room.
—Dave
by Dave on Jan 4, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
thats brilliant
i really mean it, this should be done
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
I'm tellin ya, there's no other logical explenation for memphis signing a proven bad apple...
they’re going to blackmail kp around darius’s 7-8th game.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Memphis needs to ask themselves if going on the blacklist is more important than
whatever joke experiment they are trying with Miles.
2 minutes?
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jan 5, 2009 7:29 AM PST up reply actions
miles = short stick & portland = hornets nest
might seam like a cute idea at first, and may even cause some damage, but i have a fealing, long term, someones gonna be sorry
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
Travis = one good game followed by four terrible ones
Having him play crunch time minutes in the fourth quarter is a recipe for losing.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jan 5, 2009 7:25 AM PST up reply actions
Hit it on the head re Bayless
Jerryd Bayless was also active and I was impressed by his hard-nosed play. He need to relax enough to make a shot though. The basketball is still round. The hoop is still proportionally bigger than the ball. Just put it in.
The shooting was poor, and he got ripped bad on one possession, but he got to the rim at will, showed incredible speed and quickness, and had a beautiful drive/assist to LMA. He has all the tools, he just needs to put it together with the shots.
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
I am starting to think maybe Bayless chooses the wrong times to drive and that might be why he can never finish. He isn’t picking the open lanes and can’t finish through 3 defenders (at least yet)
Now that I think of it
what I should have said is that Bayless is active, but pressing. He’s not in the flow out there. Rather his semi-discomfort is causing him to push too hard sometimes, move too fast, and (of course) miss otherwise clear shots. Some guys fade when they are nervous. Bayless goes into hyperdrive.
In a way the same can be said of Rudy’s defense. The tricky thing is, he doesn’t commit sins of inactivity. He doesn’t stand still or get left behind. Rather he helps at the wrong times and in the wrong places which leaves him unable to perform the more basic duties. It’s like he’s thinking too much or taking responsibility for too much and that leaves him either out of the play or a step too far away to do what he’s supposed to. Simple steps, take care of the play in front of you, concentrate on stopping the man you’re covering, then think about helping or covering multiple areas of the floor. That will come in time, but that time isn’t here yet.
—Dave
Oh...and for Bayless...
relax, make the easy play, don’t be afraid to take your shot, but also let the game come to you instead of throttling it every time it comes anywhere near your grip.
—Dave
I'm really impressed with Bayless
That guy is going to be a player.
Also of note: the Blazers have a lot of players who do limited things very well on offense.
I think this is very true, and this is one situation where Bayless is #2 behind Roy in versatility on offense. This is where Bayless could be our “poor man’s Roy” in future years.
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
the thing is
he hasn’t shown this versatility so far. all he has shown is the ability to penetrate offensively.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 5, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
you guys are tough
He’s shown he can run the break, he’s shown he can play decent defense, he’s shown he can penetrate and he’s shown he can move okay without the ball.
by danielfarrell on Jan 5, 2009 5:09 AM PST up reply actions
the topic was offensive versatility.
i already mentioned penetrate. i don’t think he has shown he can move well off ball…but if you think he can then i’ll give you that. those are 2 attributes, hardly “versatile.”
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 5, 2009 5:35 AM PST up reply actions
He can
run the break, penetrate, pull up and hit the J (remember summer league?), get to the line with regularly (and hit the free throws), catch-and shoot, do floaters in the lane—I could be talking about Roy here, but I’m talking about Bayless. Sure, he’s not there yet, but he has the potential.
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
Summer League
And Brady Leaf was a good college football player. The competition level is quite different.
so far...
he has only shown the ability to penetrate. potential is something this portland team and all of its players have a lot of.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 5, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
My first criticism of Nate this year
I don’t know if Bayless (or Sergio for that matter) can play relaxed with the way Nate uses them (short burst that will become even shorter if you make a mistake). The thing that frustrates me is that Nate has done an excellent job of letting GO play through his early problems and keeping his confidence up, and we’re starting to see results. Granted, neither Bayless or Sergio is the #1 pick/face of the franchise/coming off surgery, but they’re both young players and one of them (my money is on Bayless) will in all likelihood be the starting PG on this team when they’re ready to make some playoff noise. Nate seems incapable of tolerating anything short (bad movie analogy warning) of Iceman from Top Gun mistake free flying from the PG position, and neither of these guys is going to develop as quickly as they could/should with that type of approach.
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 4, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
wow, thats a perfect analogy as i see it
unfortunatly, sergio is more of the maverick mold, defunetly not trying to say hes better, but just a different style
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
Thanks
Bayless and Sergio, whichever you prefer, are both guys who will push it and make the spectacular play, although occasionally it won’t work out. However, rather than benching them when it doesn’t, I’d argue they need for court time (it the right situations of course) so they can figure out what works and what doesn’t.
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 4, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
Ok if Sergio playes more than Bayless wont play at all, or visa-versa.
I dont know if its good to give each player 17 minutes or give one player 30 and let the othe sit on the bench. Everybody wants to see their boy played.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
17 is enough
to let each player establish a rhythm and get warm. i think any less than 9 minutes might have some negative effects.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 5, 2009 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe he has higher standards for the PG...
What I mean is he was a PG and you know how the coach in high school is always toughest on his son? Maybe it’s the same deal… He holds the PG’s more accountable.
i mentioned this
in a fanpost i made regarding spot minutes. they both need to know that nate “trusts” them and won’t make rash decisions based on a few bad plays. thats gotta be damaging to their confidence. just like you wouldn’t bench your qb after a few picks…you let him play thru it. i’m not saying they should both be playing 20 mins, but it’d be nice if they knew they’d get good burn as long as they were playing ok despite a few mistakes.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 5, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Any thoughts on using Sergio as an off-guard next to Bayless (and less with Rudy)?
Looked pretty atrocious from my seat of the house
Really, the entire backcourt rotation
looks horrible without Brandon these days. Taking away almost all of our Rudy-Sergio minutes and replacing them with Sergio-Bayless and Rudy-Blake minutes is killing us. Sergio has no chemistry with almost anyone else out there, and with Blake and Rudy in the back court, really, LA and Oden to a lesser extent are the only ones that can create a decent shot with any kind of consistency.
Bayless did some good things, but like Dave said, this pressing he’s doing is getting ridiculous. After a few more 1-6 shooting performances, he’s starting to lose some cred as a shooter in my eyes. He got close to the rim a couple times, but on some of those it was really more of an off-balance leap and a prayer at the rim, something we’d be yelling at Blake/Sergio for since it’s essentially the same as a turnover.
I don’t want to single Bayless out there, since Rudy seems to be in a pretty major shooting funk these days, too. I’m actually thinking it might be time to throw Bayless in the starting line-up, just because of the fit out there, kinda like Batum and Trout have been doing. That Boston game was great, but Blakey isn’t going to score 21 points on like 10 shots every game.
Bayless was never really a shooter
That’s a part of his game yet to develop. I assume it’ll take at least a good off-season of work.
I don’t think we have any two point guard schemes that work well just because of defense. Rudy, Batum, and Outlaw have to save us in this non-Roy phase if anyone is going to.
—Dave
I know I never expected him to be James Jones
or Dale Ellis out there, but it was never supposed to be a weak point. I agree with your original point that the rim just looks way smaller than the ball for him right now, This is just getting positively Sergio-esque in the last year sort of way.
Good point about Rudy and Batum, I could see Nic getting a couple minutes at the 2 if Brandon is out much longer. I think Nate is liking the opportunity to sneak minutes for Bayless without affecting Rudy or Sergio’s rotation, though, so I think we’ll continue to see him playing the two alongside Blake or Sergio.
not quite true, Dave
Bayless took over a third of his shots from 3 pt range in his 1 season of college ball, making over 40%. Admittedly, that’s closer than the NBA line, but that doesn’t explain his inability to hit any shots (from anywhere) this season.
http://kenpom.com/sr.php?team=Arizona&y=2008
Boomshakalaka
He shot it well in Summer League, and he was also reported to be dead-eye in training camp
I recall that some Blazer or other even pronounced him the team’s best outside shooter. Hype or not, you wouldn’t expect him to brick every shot now. Must be nerves.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
Touche
I guess what I should say is that the Bayless I saw this summer had problems with his shot, both in mechanics and confidence. If everything was OK—in the flow of the game and open—his shot went in but when something went wrong, be that in a game or practice, his shot was the first thing to go. That observation probably isn’t worth as much as the stat but it still doesn’t surprise me that his shot isn’t falling yet.
—Dave
Pressing? Yes, indeed. You can practically see the steam rising from his nostrils....
JBay is like a more intense version of Oden. He wants to do well. He knows he has the game. He just needs to relax a little and it will come. It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to see that he is going to be good, and I continue to believe that he will be very good.
I would love to see him play defense against PGs. Nate has had him guarding SGs and SFs. I assume that this is because he is much stronger than Rudy or Sergio. It is pretty interesting to see him guarding a guy who is six inches taller and thirty pounds heavier. I can see why Nate is doing it, but I want to see his speed against other PGs.
A couple of things are clear at this point. He can penetrate against NBA talent. He is not a selfish player as some suggested; you can see that he is trying to get the ball to his teammates. He is hesitating to shoot because he knows his shot is not falling yet and he is trying to show his PG skills. I think his passing has been under-rated; clearly he can penetrate off the dribble and then find teammates when help comes.
I remain anxious to see him play some minutes with the first team.
by upper left corner on Jan 5, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
Good points.
I’ve been dying to see how Bayless measured up defensively against point guards. But alas, Nate doesn’t want it yet. And I agree, his passing seems no worse than Brandon to me.
I miss Brandon Roy
I think he is sitting out these games to show us how much he really means to us.
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
lol
i had that thought to
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
MVP MVP MVP
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on Jan 5, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The biggest let down tonight was Blake
He just missed too many shots he normally makes. Those little 10 footers he kept missing were the worst. We just needed a few of those to stay afloat. Jackson let the hounds loose on LMA when nobody could knock down an open shot and that was it. Rudy and Travis obviously could have played better too, but normally you can count on Blake to knock down those open shots. Not tonight, apparently.
Its true. Blake missed 2 or 3 threes in consecutive possessions, and one after a steal. If he hits them the game is completely different (well probably not the L)
Blake's wide open misses were key
But as you imply, that doesn’t mean the Blazers would have won had he hit them. Kobe would have just had to bestir himself in the second half.
The good news: Blake hit a pair of 3s late. That bodes well for Wednesday vs the Pistons.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
yeah but Rudy
made some hustle plays that dont show up in the stats
by southern oregon on Jan 4, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
Not to mention we've come to expect some volatility from Rudy
Rudy is streaky. Blake is consistent. His misses hurt more because we’re so used to them going in.
I think Volatility from bench players is tolerable. Nate should be able to sub in and out whomever is hot at the time. Thats why we are deep right. Doesn't seem like Nate does this enough though.
I swear sometimes a guy gets hot and gets pulled inexplicably while other times somebody else is allowed to collect bricks like crazy. Drives me nuts when it seems like Nate kills the momentum for sake of rotation.
I was an old school fan of Detroit during the Bad Boy Years and Chuck Daly would toss in Vinnie “the Microwave” johnson when he was on fire and yank him just as quick when he bricked.
"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."
I felt we played well enough to win
but didn’t hit the open shots. The ball was moving, the defense was there, but LA hit a few shots they shouldn’t and the Blazers missed a few shots they should have. You knock down a few of those open shots by Blake (who has still never hit on the baseline inside the three-point line this season…) and a couple other gimmes and we’re right in this one.
That is really a testament to this team’s depth—to lose their heart and soul player and have their second most valuable player (Joel) playing with an injury and still be in a position to keep the game competitive against arguably the best team in the league if they just hit a few shots that they normally hit. A lot of “ifs” but without Roy I feel justified in being positive about it.
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
Agreed
I know you can play what if all night, but had the Blazers guards hit their shots in the first half, the Lakers would have had to dig out of a MUCH deeper hole than the 5-7 point spread in the first. Would have been a completely different game
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 4, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I was actually happy with the fact that we seemed to have open looks quite frequently. Live by the Three, Die by the Three in our case tonight.
"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."
2nd that Agreed, plain and simple, the Blazers went cold in this one.
Had they been hitting shots they would have been up big. When LA pulled even it seemed to just take the heart and soul out of them.
I know there are a zillion other things to talk about,
But how does Blake get a foot in the back by a somewhat outstretched leg and then the foul is on Blake??? Don’t remember who it was, but if he doesn’t stretch his leg forward there’s no contact on that play.
Batum keeps improving (great game), Roy comes back, Martel comes back, The D keeps improving, and there will be lot of teams that don’t want to face the Blazers come playoff time.
GO
THE TEACHER ......come into my classroom "THE PAINT" for some tutelage.
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"You could hurt somebody in the first row with a shot like that" -
Mike Rice, Portland at Denver 12/22/08
Yes, that was an amazing call
The guy went up for an alley-oop slam, and Blake just happened to be there (it wasn’t even his man). The ref must have thought Blake had undercut him. Truly terrible officiating.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
I felt we played well enough to win
rofl
we must’ve been watching different games.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jan 5, 2009 7:27 AM PST up reply actions
By "played well enough to win"
I mean that we had the right shots at the right time but just couldn’t put them down. Not much you can do about that—even the best shooters go cold from time to time.
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
bottom line:
You don’t win, you didn’t play well enough,
There have been a couple games this year
where we clearly had the more wide open shots, but we couldn’t knock ’em down. I think there’s a little bit of a choke factor in trying to show that we have arrived, when the choke actually shows we haven’t quite arrived.
GO
THE TEACHER ......come into my classroom "THE PAINT" for some tutelage.
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"You could hurt somebody in the first row with a shot like that" -
Mike Rice, Portland at Denver 12/22/08
And they were licking there chops when Travis came in
They were runing play after play to exploit his little lamb lost in the woods defense
by southern oregon on Jan 4, 2009 11:31 PM PST reply actions
Travis is pretty good with help Defense..unfortunately he is helping all the time and he looses his guy.
"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."
Here's Trout's help defense:
“HELP!”
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
i've noticed guys like pierce and kobe
really exploiting travis’ d, nothing new, but nate should notice this, especially with batum having the best game of his career thus far.
Activate Shavlik Randolph
The boxscore says
our bench shooting was 2 for infinity.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
Exactly
You go 2 for 21 or whatever, you lose. Try 10-21 and the game starts changing immensely.
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
the part i hated seing the most
was when the ball was passed to an open sergio behind the three, then to an open bayless, behind the three, then swong to a quickly covered outlaw for a fadaway three point attempt that bricked. ouch.
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 4, 2009 11:46 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
That drove me nuts. Hate on Trav all day, but at least he isn’t scared to pull the trigger. Both Rex and Serg needed to shoot it or take a step up dribble if they felt out of their range, they were wide open on multiple occasions.
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 4, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
Again
I wonder if nate is dictating this extra swinging. If so, I think he should back off from it a little.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
it seams like a lot of guys pass up the open shot
and another thing im noticing, as we cant seam to hit cutters with the ball. nothng early in the shot clock, and no moving targets, and definatly nothing moving towards the basket. i hope this is just nate, drilling good fundamentals and not just missing out on what seams like easy oprotunity.
but in the case of sergio and bayless, its just couse neither can shoot
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
I've never heard
Nate say anything about a player not shooting. He’s made a point of telling players to shoot more (Roy, Outlaw, etc) but I’ve never heard him get on someone for taking an open shot.
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
They can't
A missed 3 means heading to the bench. Even a made 3 when someone else is open means heading to the bench.
grr
i hated that as well
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 5, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
I repeat from the gameday thread: What works is offensive rebounding, what doesn't anymore is outside shooting
Positives:
- LMA showed really up for that game (unfortunately not yet on a very consistent basis → jumpshooting)
- Batum is back. Boy can he run the break (and if Vince Carter is reading this, that is not intended as an insult)
+1
:)
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
i didnt get a chance to watch. sounds like Nic had himself a game though.
"I saw him in the face"
by RoodiePhirnandizz on Jan 5, 2009 1:12 AM PST reply actions
I didn't get to see most of Nic's game
Sad.
But this is the kind of effort we’d be happy to have from him long-term. 6-6 shooting, some free throws, rebounds, and assists thrown in. That’s the extra guy you want in the lineup.
At this point if he could even do that every third game it would be a big bonus. The problem is we’ve waited a month since his last standout game. Take a chance and take the bull by the horns, young fella.
—Dave
Is it blasphemy
to say that Gasol plays tougher than Aldridge?
by Stryder9 on Jan 5, 2009 4:48 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Aldridge could learn a move or two from Gasol
including that around-the-rim dunk on Oden.
Tougher?
Smarter or savvier maybe, but there is nothing whatsoever tough about Gasol — his defense is leagues behind LMA’s
I think Gasol
is more familiar with the rim. Aldridge needs to learn to dunk a LOT more and ATTACK that basket!!
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
Aldridge,
to me, seems to do everything AWAY from the rim. He prefers the jumpshot (obviously) and his post moves usually are fade aways too. And hIs hook shots seem more lateral in movement. In sum, it never looks like he ever tries to lean toward the basket for his shots. Unlike Sheed, I can remember when forced to play in the post, he was excellent at this.
LA @ LA is a tough task
But still you wish they would have been competitive. I’m starting to think the Boston game was a fluke. This team is pretty bad without Brandon Roy.
Blazer Fan
Boston and LA two vastly different styles.
Without Roy, we can still bang on Off. and Def. which allows us to hang with a team like Boston.
Unfortunately, without Roy we would have a very, very hard time hanging with a faster paced team like LA. And by hard time I mean we get beat 9 times out of 10.
Boston was no fluke. Losing to NO was a fluke in my opinion. That game was winnable.
Catalina-Wine-Mixer.
Bayless
impresses with his huge torso and legs and recall’s Chris Paul’s build. That’s much of the reason Paul has his way with opponents. The basket plus 1. Let’s hope the same for Bayless.
Rudy on the other hand plays out of position. He looks like a cornerback trying to cheat and getting burned for it. Now if he was the next Deion Sanders or Champ Bailey that would be different. Those guys have tremendous discipline.
How lucky are we to land Nicolas Batum. That guy is fearless, if a little clueless at times. He’s going to be so great offf the bench behind Martell; shoot, he may eventually be in front of Martell. Just watch him carefully and you’ll see we lucked out with him. He’s so fast. Just amazing and 19.
OK, enough superlatives about the rookies except for all you old time basketball fans when you think of Moses Malone then Greg Oden’s your guy. What a beast.
3rd Quarter - Why no Batum?
I’m wondering why Batum didn’t start the 3rd Quarter? He had it going in the first half and was playing active defense. Outlaw was missing in action all game. That kid has to get more minutes. Usually good things happen.
Speaking of the 3rd quarter – I guess the LA glamor got them squinting. This was the gang who couldn’t shoot straight. This team has yet to learn that when the ball ain’t going in, you drive baby drive.
And again, Batum has the ability to drive as well as anybody out there. He just needs to be given the green light to look for his shot more.
I was there last night and
I can’t wait until Oden develops more of an offensive game, so he can be the go-to guy, when Brandon isn’t in the game. Because Alridge just doesn’t punish the defense enough.

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